Re: [PLUG] PLUG meeting washed out due to unseasonal rains

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 2:37 AM, G Karunakar  wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 09:00:36 +0530
> Gaurav Pant wrote:
>
> > Interestingly I and few others did not receive the mails of PLUG
> > meet announcement. If others have not recieved the same please
> > notify about the same here.
>
>  I found one of my gmail id getting a bounce notice from list,
> ie. id being unsubscribed due to excessive bounces.
> I think the issue would be with majority folks using gmail ids or
> mail based on it, when new post mail goes out, it apparently hits
> some gmail limit on how many mail a host can send over to google mail
> servers, so it is probably rejecting for some ids, while our mail
> server keeps trying to successfully send to everyone.
>

Just wanted to lend my +1 to this. I am receiving mails from various other
groups that I'm subscribed to as well as PLUG, and yet I got a warning that
mails are bouncing. So, it very well may be the case that list subscribers
didn't actually get the invite. That said, I myself have received the
meeting email :)

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Re: [PLUG] Why I won't be speaking at FOSSsumMIT 2104

[Sriram Narayanan]

Long timer and lurker, here.


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:57 PM, ThinRhino thinrh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Folks,

 I was scheduled to give a talk at FOSSsumMIT 2104, but I was asked to use
 a Open
 Source License compliant operating system to give the talk. I have blogged
 about
 it in detail here - http://adityalaghate.in/no-to-symbolism.html

 The reason, I invoke this thread / discussion is that this happened to me
 at two
 conferences and the common denominator was PLUG. I used be an active
 member of
 the list in it's heydays.

 I have used linux as my primary operating system ever since Redhat 6
 (prior to
 it being split into Fedora  RHEL). Used openSuse, debian  ubuntu over the
 years. About 3 years back I moved to using a macbook pro, running OS X.
 This is
 my primary OS. I regularly work on projects, which utilise Linux based
 servers,
 so even today, I spent a good amount of time working with Linux.

 I am not a nerd or nor a geek, but somebody, who loves to play 
 experiment with
 technology.  Having spent a good amount of my time (close to 10-12 years)
 with
 Linux on various hardwares I am fully aware of the challenges the GNU/Linux
 ecosystem can throw at you. I used to love solving those challenges
 earlier. Now
 it just frustrates me.

 Today, I prefer to work with a system that 'just works'  I can
 concentrate on
 utilising Open Source Licensed tool chains and applications to do my work.

 I have not been able to understand the insistence by members of PLUG to
 use open
 source licensed OS for my presentation. My talk was titled, 'Data Analysis
 using
 Python  Pandas'.

 If PLUG can make clear of it's stand it will be great.


Many years ago, a colleague and I both had separate talks at GNUnify '07.
My colleague was presenting on project management techniques that he uses
to bring down the product development time - something that is important to
many organizations. I had something on testing practices. We were both
asked to present our talks using an open source distro, and in an open
source format.

I explained to the organizers that his talk was of importance from a
project management perspective, while mine included cross browser testing
(including Windows based browsers such as IE). Since I had a good rapport
with the organizers, I was able to engage them in a conversation.

IMO, various organizers need to understand that not everyone uses Linux or
other open source distros the way they do. For e.g., I know several FreeBSD
and Illumos based developers who have standardized on Macs running OSX, and
who run their server/router/switch operating systems on desktop
virtualization tools. They need to use communication and collaborations
tools that work best for their customers, and indeed, which customers
sometimes mandate. Device Drivers are not available or not good/stable
enough for many laptops provided by Corporate IT teams. Not everyone needs
to use an open source distro for their day to day needs. Non-Linux
platforms such as Illumos, FreeBSD and OSX have superior debugging tooling
which certain developers absolutely need, but these may not run on
conventional laptops.

It would be worthwhile to consider this an opportunity to influence the
organizers and help then see additional perspectives :)

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Re: [PLUG] Online storage options?

[Sriram Narayanan]

Please visit rsync.net, who offer encrypted S3 based backup.

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Re: [PLUG] postgresql error

[Sriram Narayanan]

Where is tmpfs mounted?

Also, investigate whether you can set some other path for postgresql's
lock file.

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On 8/5/11, पारस bepa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I download “postgresql-9.0.4″ and cross-compile for my embedded board.

 I followed this link for installation,

 http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2009/04/linux-postgresql-install-and-configure-from-source/


  When I try to start my postgreSQL database its gives me following error:
 “FATAL: could not write lock file “/tmp/.s.PGSQL.5432.lock”: No space left
 on device”

 The output of df -h is
 $df -h
 Filesystem   Size   Used AvailableUse%Mounted on
 /dev/root   3.6G  650.4M  2.8G   18%   /
 tmpfs   424.0M   40.0K   424.0M0%/dev
 shm 424.0M   0 424.0M 0%/dev/shm
 rwfs 512.0K512.0K   0   100% /mnt/rwfs
 rwfs 512.0K512.0K   0   100% /tmp
 rwfs 512.0K512.0K   0   100% /var

 It shows that ‘/tmp’ is full, but ‘/’ is 2.8G free.
 I install filesystem on 4GB SD card.

 Please help me to solve this problem.
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Re: [PLUG] Anyone using / can advise on FreeBSD/NetBSD?

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Mayuresh mayur...@acm.org wrote:

 On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 11:54:56AM +0530, Amarendra Godbole wrote:
  Oh, and missed one very important point:
  * OpenBSD is not determined to dominate the world, and fast.
 
  -Amarendra

 Thanks. That was a very good summary.

 Also thanks to an earlier post by Shridhar on FreeBSD.

 I happen to have tried out both FreeBSD and NetBSD in the meantime. I will
 post my experiences in a separate mail.

 Can you just clarify above statement? You meant OpenBSD is determined or
 not to be fast?!

 Till now my impression of OepnBSD is the word security. Well I appreciate
 that where it is needed, though I am looking for a regular desktop that's
 not exposed to internet and is for personal use.

 Now, if OpenBSD is not _only_ about security, as compared to other BSD
 siblings, I'd kind of like to give it a try someday.


You may want to try out OpenIndiana, which is based on the OpenSolaris
kernel. There's also Belenix, which is presently a bit outdated compared to
OpenIndiana, but that is something that we're working on (e.g. we're moving
to rpm5 and will make releases again).

OpenIndiana's kernel is based on OpenSolaris, and will soon be based on the
Illumos kernel (a fork of the OpenSolaris kernel).

When I next visit Pune, I could give a demo of various features of the
opensolaris/illumos kernel which would appeal to developers and users.

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Re: [PLUG] Any one going for FOSS.in ?

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Amit Karpe amitka...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello Pluggies,
                 Any one going for FOSS.in ? This year I may not able
 to attend event for all days.
 I may attend 5th Dec's Keynote. From last 3-4 years experience I know
 that last day's Keynote is worth to attend.


I'm going to try to set up a table to evangelize about the distro that
I work on - Belenix.

 Regards
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Re: [PLUG] Minutes of PLUG meet held on 05-0902009

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Manas Alekarmaale...@gmail.com wrote:

 2. Regarding the question of MOU, I think the government would quite
 like to agree about shifting to free software. The main question for
 them is 'how'. The issue is not what software they use to train the
 teachers, but whether it is feasible for them to go through this
 process logistically and economically. It is obvious that they don't
 have in-house expertise to do the training and maintenance of the
 computers. As of now, it seems like only MS has given them an
 acceptable solution. And with the knowledge they have, the dilemma of
 choosing between the lesser evil does not exist.


 I hate to say this, but would can we recommend that the government go the
 FOSS way with a clean conscience? Nautilus still breaks once in a while when
 I update it. Evolution backends die on me randomly when I try to connect to
 EXCHG servers. Interfaces are still deprecated when deemed necessary.
 Perhaps we should start by taking a leaf out of Solaris' book. They still
 ship with Bourne (not Bourne Again) shell as the default.

INFO: Solaris' stablity is more because they have a stringent process
called the ARC [1].
Since they have a 7 year ABI guarantee, they have a policy on whether
interfaces are allowed to change to not [2]

Present day opensolaris ships with GNU bash and this inclusion was
subject to the ARC process as well.

 When it comes to
 huge organisations with inertia, corporate or otherwise, such things matter.

+1 to that. Reliability and stability matter a lot indeed.


 ~ Manas

[1] http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/
[2] http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/bestpractices/bp-interfaces/

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Re: [PLUG] Combining two ISP connections to increase bandwidth?

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Mayureshmayur...@acm.org wrote:
 Fed up of downtime of my ISP and having heard the same stories about another
 ISP operating in the area, I am wondering whether it's possible to subscribe
 to both of them for redundancy.

 However, it won't be an economical proposition if used only for redundancy.
 Also, as a home user there are no multiple simultaneous users. So only way
 both connections would get utilized (when both are up!) and give value for
 money is if for a single user they both could serve in tandem. In other words,
 let's say I have both connections of 128 kbps, I should get an effective
 download speed of 256kbps for download of even a SINGLE file (and not multiple
 files simultaneously).


I've tried using iptables to achieve such stuff, but when it comes to
high performance and flexible networking, openBSD and opensolaris'
crossbow far out class what the present-day Linux TCP/IP stack can
deliver.

You could try http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html

What I figured out was that there's some funky routing table
manipulation that happens which makes traffic for a particular
destination go out via one specific ISP.

A colleague then setup a really interesting openBSD based firewall
which gave us load balancing + failover, and consumed just 35% CPU
load as against a linux kernel's 90% CPU load consumption.

We had to abandon that at a corporate level because we needed to all
gain proficiency with OpenBSD's firewall tools, and all of us didn't
have the bandwidth and time to devote to fresh learning.

 To the extent I searched around, it looks difficult or impossible. I think 
 it's
 a reasonable consumer expectation, though do not know about its feasibility.

 Any ideas?

I installed Vyatta today, and am in parallel writing a Python based
web UI for opensolaris' crossbow.

For home users, I'd say that you use the info in the link here
(http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html) and use a
multi segmented download manager which would make connects via both
the ISPs (hopefully).

Alternatively, if you are a GNU userland user (most of us are) and
just need Gnome/KDE with a variety of desktop tools (multimedia,
internet tools, office productivity), then give one of the BSDs a shot
and use the underlying networking tools that come in the BSD land.


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Re: [PLUG] Combining two ISP connections to increase bandwidth?

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Mayureshmayur...@acm.org wrote:
 To the extent I searched around, it looks difficult or impossible. I think 
 it's
 a reasonable consumer expectation, though do not know about its feasibility.
 PS: Let me reduce the level of generality of the question to specific 
 scenarios
 such as 1. A torrent client receiving different chunks on different 
 connections
 thus increasing throughput. 2. File downloaders that break the downloads into
 a no of pieces exist. What if they download chunks on both connections
 simultaneously etc.


Then the LARTC link I gave earlier + a multi segmented download
manager should suffice.

Bittorrent clients will automatically use both the lines. You could
use MRTG or Cacti to observe traffic on your lines.


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Re: [PLUG] OT: How many of you are programmers?

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Kapil Kaisare kksm19820...@gmail.com wrote:
 Greetings, all.

 I was thinking of doing a series of presentations on Javascript - and later
 on, perhaps other interesting languages, at the monthly meetings of PLUG; I
 was wondering how many attendees are programmers, and/or how many would be
 interested in such presentations?

This is something that I have to deal with in Bangalore. We have
separate communities for Java, Python, Ruby, OpenSolaris, .NET and
Linux. Some of these communities have common members (like myself).
There are very few people who are programmers as well as
sysadmins/interested in how Linux-like systems work (e.g. apt-get
issues, etc).

We recently experimented by hosting an Android presentation at the
ilug-bengaluru meet a few weekend ago. After the meet, we discovered
that there were a very few of us who were able to understand the
programmer level nuances of that presentation. Most did enjoy the
system bit of it. So one lesson that I have learned is to keep
language focussed discussions separate from non-language technology
discussions.

There is other communities in Pune who enjoy discussing programming
language related topics. Some of my colleagues at Thoughtworks Pune
host language specific meets. There was a recent Ruby meetup at
Thoughtworks Pune, and there are enthusiasts on other programming
languages and related matters (such as funcitonal programming, test
driven development, etc) who often meet there. You may want to link up
with them.


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Re: [PLUG] command line http authentication

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Kunal Thakar kun...@gmail.com wrote:

 This might sound stupid but have you checked if your ISP offers a
 scriptable interface for logging in?


I second this. I used to use some command line tool that Sify used to provide.

 In any case, you can put your logging in script into the network
 manager dispatcher folder (its /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/ on my
 ubuntu box) so that it is invoked everytime NM notices that you have
 switched networks.

This is a good tip. I didn't know this. Thanks.


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Re: [PLUG] Grub Fatal error

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 4:01 PM, sourav mohanty
sourav.r.moha...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,
    Any solution to this Grub Fatal error problem both in kubuntu and
 fedora.
 Tried dd command to rewrite MBR , and also tried installing grub from live
 cd and
 from fedora rescue mode but still no success. Any solutions its urgent.


Do you have any more information on what else you see as part of the
error message ? Some error code, some characters on screen, etc ?


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Re: [PLUG] Few Queries..!!!

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Sugandha Naolekar
sugandha@gmail.com wrote:
 Can u please let me know about the issues related to the hadoop's
 implemetation over Fedora(8 or 10)


If you are facing a specific problem, then search search the issue
tracker and the hadoop mailing lists, because there' s every chance
that someone may have faced those problems before.

The issue tracker: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP

The mailing list archives: http://marc.info/?l=hadoop-userr=1w=2

 If you could suggest me some of the contacts of industrial persons whom I
 can refer to regarding Hadoop queries.

Most experienced Hadoop users who'd be inclined to help you would be
here http://hadoop.apache.org/core/mailing_lists.html#Users

However, ensure that you understand what problem you are facing, read
the documentation, search the issue tracker and the mailing lists, and
ask questions only after you are unable to find an answer to the
hadoop-specific problem that you are facing. Not everyone will want to
coach you on how to do something with hadoop if that has already been
explained.

Best of luck with you hadoop pursuits :)

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Re: [PLUG] Regarding the installation of OpenNMS

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Vishal Sanghi vishalsan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Please send the proper installation document if anyone has worked on
 OpenNMS.

I've used openNMS and had installed it on FC8. But after a few months
of usage, we figured that nagios is lower on resource demands, and
does everything that we want it to do.

Have you evaluated nagios ?

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Re: [PLUG] Insallation of Linuk on laptop

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:33 PM, RAMDASS NAVALE naval...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Sir.

 I have a Lenevo laptop – Model 3000 Y 500 having configurations Celeron 1.6/
 512/80GB, Keyboard Microsoft Vista.

 I have tried to install Mandriva -2008  2009,Ubuntu -5.05/5.10/8.10, Feroda
 10,Suse 10,  Sabayon 4 .

 For the very first two/three steps inbuilt key board works. But after that
 keyboard and touch pad cease to work. I am doing this exercise for the last
 14 months.
snip/

This is a nasty problem that I've heard about before. Using an
external USB keyboard is the only workaround that I recall.

If you are open to it, then consider attending a PLUG meeting and seek
help from the other attendees there.

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Re: [PLUG] help on asterisk setup

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Pranav Peshwe pranavpes...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 1:55 PM, G Karunakar indli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
  Any one in Pune with experience on asterisk setup? I was trying to
 figure out how to set it up to work say between 2-3 PCs and no
 telephony hardware involved.
 Say PC1 becomes server, PC2, PC3 as terminals/phones, then try calling
 PC3 from PC2.
 Just some playing around I was trying to do in home network.


 Hi Karunakar,
If you are planning to use a machine as a dedicated VoIP
 server then you can try out asteriskNow - http://www.asterisknow.org/. You
 can also take a look at TrixBox CE -
 http://www.trixbox.com/products/trixbox-ce. Both are asterisk centered linux
 distros. The advantage of using them is that, they come bundled with a nice
 UI for administration. Vanilla Asterisk (from asterisk.org) IIRC, has no
 such thing. Dial plans and users have to be added by hand by editing config
 files.

We use the rPath based Asterisk (Asterisk) at work, and are starting
to roll this out to all our offices worldwide. We have tried all
manner of Asterisk distros and these have just not worked well at all.
We even purchased a support plan from Digium, but there were
occassions when we had to fend for ourselves. The AsteriskNow distro
has run flawlessly.

 Another attractive contender is Druid -  http://www.voiceroute.org/. Druid
 is more than just VoIP.

I have heard good reports about Druid from people in Mumbai.

FreeSwitch is yet another contender to Asterisk, and is far
preferable. There are a lot of sound technical reasons why Freeswitch
is preferable to Asterisk. The only reason we've not switched to
Freeswitch is that the ISDN card drivers that we have are not
supported out of the box with freeswitch. Also, there's the absence of
a GUI that AsteriskNow has.

If you ever choose to buy ISDN cards, then I'd recommend Sangoma cards
as compared to Digium. Sangoma's cards have a good reputation as
compared to Digium's cards. I think Mitul Limbani in Mumbai sells both
Sangoma and Digium cards.


 My 2 cents...

 Thanks and regards,
 Pranav
 http://pranavsbrain.peshwe.com
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Re: [PLUG] Porting Ex on Linux

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On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Rajiv Gore ra...@wsieng.com wrote:
 Hi
 I am using an accounting software Ex Next Gen by TCS. It has got a software
 dongle.
 Ex works on Windows.
 I tried to load it on Linux using Wine but the program doesnot  work as wine
 cannot  access the dongle .Can there be a way out?

You might want to try Windows on VirtualBox on Linux. This may access
the dongle and you could enjoy a seamless window switch between your
Linux desktop environment and the EX GUI.

A brief search for wine hardware dongle yielded a few links. One of
them was this one :
http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20080811.121428.dbab20cb.ca.html
It talks about building Wine from source, which is not really
difficult, and which you may want to try.


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Re: [PLUG] Logical partition

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On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Ranjit Bhonsle ran...@gmail.com wrote:

 Me guess is XP cannot or will not recognise the extended
 partition made from Linux .Wiping out both Linux is also an
 option ( Easy and hassle free ).

Windows will be able to recognize this partition. Go ahead and create
it using any Linux distro of your choice.

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Re: [PLUG] Installation with Quad core Processor.

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 10:55 PM, Nikhil Kala nikhilrk...@gmail.com wrote:

 Were you trying a 64 bit distro or 32 bit? For such a setup, 64 bit distro.


 Yes, You are right. for such setup 64 bit distro is recommended.
 But the other packages which I want to use must be compatible with 64 bit
 distro. also.


Assuming that you install Ubuntu 8.04.1 64 bit edition, then:
- the overall RAM visible would be 8 GB
- you would be able to run a mix of 32 bit and 64 bit apps. This will
not be a problem for you.

As for other distros not getting installed or not responding to input
during usage, that seems a case of either faulty device drivers or
faulty hardware itself. I have a box at work which has a faulty
motherboard. Ubuntu 8.04.1 and Belenix work fine on this, but CentOS
5.2 stops responding after about 10 minutes of uptime.

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Re: [PLUG] Installation with Quad core Processor.

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On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Nikhil Kala nikhilrk...@gmail.com wrote:
 6. Open Solaris - Installation stopped in middle. And tried twice.


Could you try Belenix 0.7.1 on this ? Boot from the CD and see if it
works for you (Belenix has a very fast bootup speed thanks to the
DTrace optimized bootup mechanism we have put in).

For help, contact the Belenix community on belenix-discuss - you an
post via the web or sign up on our mailing list.

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Re: [PLUG] .htaccess problem

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On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Aman Kumar Jain mails...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,
 I have done the following configuration in apache2 server.

Directory / 
Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews
Order allow,deny
allow from all
 *AllowOverride None*
/Directory
 Since I have done *AllowOverride None* the server should not process
 .htaccess files. But, this is not the case, it is processing .htaccess
 files. Is there something else that I will have to do?

Just to rule out a basic omission - have you reloaded the apache configuration ?

service apache2 reload
or
/etc/init.d/apache2 reload

Also, in case you are using VirtualHosts, could you confirm of these
settings are in the virtualhost config which you are modifying ?

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Re: [PLUG] ubuntu installation through virtual box

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On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 5:18 PM,  shailshind...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have windows as the host operating system and I have installed ubuntu
 8.04 on it as guest os using virtual box.
 I have created a separate 8 gb drive for ubuntu .
 But I cannot access the other drives which do not belong to ubuntu (eg
 C ,D,E,etc).

This is because the Windows C, D and E drive are not visible to
Ubuntu. Only that 8 GB disk is visible.

 So what is the solution for it. ???

You could share the drives on Windows, and access these via Ubuntu's
network tools.

 And also while installing the virtual box software on my windows ,it
 encountered a step saying this device has not passed windows logo testing.
 I continued anyway . Is there any risk?

No, this is not a risk with VirtualBox - they perform a lot of testing
before they release anything.

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Re: [PLUG] .htaccess problem

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On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Aman Kumar Jain mails...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,
 I have done the following configuration in apache2 server.

Directory / 
Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews
Order allow,deny
allow from all
 *AllowOverride None*
/Directory
 Since I have done *AllowOverride None* the server should not process
 .htaccess files. But, this is not the case, it is processing .htaccess
 files. Is there something else that I will have to do?


I'm assuming that the * characters are just for the email, and that
you actually have AllowOverride None in the config file.

Directory / 
Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews
Order allow,deny
allow from all
 AllowOverride None
/Directory


By any chance, do you have another Directory entry ?

Directory /var/www/htdocs/my/custom/folder 
Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews
Order allow,deny
allow from all
 AllowOverride All
/Directory

This would enable .htaccess in the sub-folder.

Also, setting the Loglevel to Debug might help with diagnostics.
Could you turn debug logging on to see what's hapening ?

Another thing you may want to try is to have a very very basic set of
config and test just that much.

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Re: [PLUG] Fedora 9 valued at $10.8B

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Rahul Sundaram
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip/

 Perhaps this is a new age economics about which I have no idea.

 It is not new (theory was published in 1981). It is based on the
 original work done by David Wheeler at
 http://www.dwheeler.com/sloc/redhat71-v1/redhat71sloc.html.

 The model used is called COCOMO

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COCOMO

 The report does reference all these details btw.


Thanks for the information as well as all these clarifications, Rahul.

 Rahul

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Re: [PLUG] not able to install Ubuntu 8.04

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On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Ranjit Bhonsle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 First burn the ISO on a CD/DVD using the burning software e.g Nero
 Put this bootable CD/DVD in drive and reboot.

Some more input here: Choose the burn Image to disk option here. Do
not worry about various settings such as mark this disc bootable,
etc.

At the end of this operation, you should not write the ISO file as a
plain file onto the CD-ROM. You need to write the ISO file as an
image. This will make the CD-ROM bootable.

 As machine reboots go into BIOS...press DEL key or Whichever key
 as appears during boot.
 Change the 1st boot drive to CD/DVD.
 Save changes (F10) and it will reboot.
 Ubuntu screen should come up
 Continue boot process and you should have a desktop.
 If no GUI and as you say a dos prompt then
 it means your graphic card not recognised by Ubuntu...very unlikely
 now a days.

At this point, if you are able to get into the command prompt, type
the following and note down the last few lines at least and then post
to this list.
cat /var/log/Xorg.log.0

Also, if you have Windows on this computer already, then let the list
know which specific Video Card you have.

 regards,
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Re: [PLUG] not able to install Ubuntu 8.04

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On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Aditya Godbole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Shoteka Zulu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi All,

  CAUTION - Disclaimer *
 This e-mail contains PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION intended solely 
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 To the moderator,

 Considering that this email is being posted on a public mailing list
 and is going to be archived and published on the web, how can such
 notices be permitted?

I think that the original poster may be clueless about that that
notice means when sent to a public list such as this.

Since he's clearly stuck with a novice level problem, the best we can
do is to help out with the problem, and also educate the person
privately about the ineffictiveness and pointlessness of such notices
on a mailing list. I've CCd the original poster on this mail, and will
be sending them a direct and friendly explanation as well.

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Re: [PLUG] RedHat/Fedora Crisis

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Rahul Sundaram
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sriram Narayanan wrote:


 I visited the fedoraproject.org site just now. I don't any any mention
 of any security issue there at all. If there is some link on this
 matter at the fedora site, please post that link here.

 I posted earlier in the thread several announcements send regarding
 this. The latest news is reflected in the top of


Rahul, my point is that even though Fedora and Redhat may have done
the right things, a lesson to learn for future situations would be
perception management. In my company, we run several hundred Linux
boxes (RHEL, CentOS, Fedora, Ubuntu), and we follow news on distros
closely.

Rather than have a person like you put your personal credibility to
use on this list (remember I've said earlier in this thread that I am
going to believe what ever you say), I feel that the Fedora and Redhat
organizations should step in as early as possibly with a public
statement on the various accusations being levelled at them. Better
late than never has a lot of value, and while a limited few will whine
about delays, the majority will read the explanations given.

The fact that this thread has continued all these days on this list
says something about the perception and the beating that Fedora and
Redhat are going to take.

 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Main_Page

New SSH Fingerprints is all that's mentioned at the top at that wiki
page. A more attention-grabbing line would have come to attention
earlier :)


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Re: [PLUG] RedHat/Fedora Crisis

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Rahul Sundaram
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sriram Narayanan wrote:
 I feel that the Fedora and Redhat
 organizations should step in as early as possibly with a public
 statement on the various accusations being levelled at them

 Perhaps but people should also realize that sometimes a organization is
 limited in what it can say. In part, as announced this is a ongoing
 investigation.


Ack. I understand that. All I'd expect in such a case is a statement
on the fedora website that comes to the viewer's attention, something
to the effect of Status update: Vulnerability assessment in
progress.


 http://lwn.net/Articles/295150/

 Fedora has send half a dozen announcements already as I pointed out.

 http://plug.org.in/pipermail/plug-mail/2008-September/004932.html

 Red Hat has send a errata as well.


And persons such as myself have seen all this. Only,

 The accusations are being thrown out from people with an agenda. The
 details are lost in the noise.


I'd actually dare to say +1 to the above !

 New SSH Fingerprints is all that's mentioned at the top at that wiki
 page. A more attention-grabbing line would have come to attention
 earlier :)

 Maybe you are not seeing this but there is a link to

 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Enabling_new_signing_key


To repeat: Perception is different from reality. One may need to use
new keys for a variety of reasons, which may be different from an
illegal breach of security. It is this security breach and the
resulting actions which needs to be highlighted.

 Other details are covered within the announcements send to the list.
 Note that you don't have to do *anything* at all for the new signing key
 as yum will automatically prompt you and switch you over and you will
 automatically start getting packages signed with this key. So end users
 are not required to read the technical information just to get new updates.


This is very useful indeed.

I wish the Fedora Project luck. As a member of the Belenix community,
I compete with Fedora, but it has it's place and has played a good
role in helpingwith Linux adoption.

 Rahul

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[PLUG] [ANN]Fwd: [belenix-discuss] Belenix 0.7 is available !

[Sriram Narayanan]

All:

Going forward, we intend to start to bundle Indian Open Source
projects along with future releases of Belenix

So get involved, and get your projects showcased to the world !:)

-- Ram


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Date: Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Subject: [belenix-discuss] Belenix 0.7 is available !
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED], OpenSolaris Advocacy
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Belenix Discuss
[EMAIL PROTECTED], BeleniX Development
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Dello All,

 After a long gap and lots of things happening behind the scenes,
 we are pleased to announce the availability of BeleniX 0.7. This
 release marks a considerable change in the evolution of BeleniX.

 With 0.7, BeleniX is now a source level derivative of Project Indiana.
 As such it has most of the Indiana features except for Image
 Packaging which is still in the works. V0.7 is installable to the
 harddisk and supports ZFS root.

 Following are the highlights of the release:
 * Re-branded Caiman Installer installs BeleniX to ZFS root.
 * The Distro Constructor is adapted as the BeleniX Constructor.
 * Fully packaged. All software in BeleniX are delivered via SVR4
  packages unlike the previous releases.

 * BeleniX now includes the full 64Bit Kernel and libraries. The
  LiveCD is still 32Bit, but the 64Bit kernel is booted on 64Bit
  CPUs after installation to harddisk.

 * Properly integrated and themed KDE 3.5.8. BeleniX now includes
  the K Display Manager SMF service which comes up by default
  while booting from harddisk. People familiar with the legacy DTlogin
  will welcome its ability to drop down to Console Login unlike GDM
  and the seamless desktop login (again unlike GDM!).

 * Synced up with ON Build 81.
 * 0.7 Includes packages from various other OpenSolaris consolidations:
  Fully Open X, SFWNV, JDS, NWS, Docs (man pages), Developer
  Product Tools etc. BeleniX includes some 650+ software packages
  in the LiveCD with more via a separate download.

 * Additional software can be downloaded via the /usr/bin/get-pkgs
  utility.
  Please see the Release Notes for more details. This is a temporary
  measure till BeleniX migrates to Image Packaging with its own
  repository.

 * The bundled in Gtk-Qt theme engine provides Qt theming support
  for GTk apps running under KDE.
 * The Firefox form widgets look better thanks to KDEwidgets from
   Kde-Look.org.

 * The BeleniX Development project is now hosted off SourceForge:
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/belenix. The SVN repository hosts
  all the SPEC files used to build additional FOSS packages for
  BeleniX and sources and packages of all BeleniX tools utilities,
  BeleniX Constructor and Branding stuff - check it out.

 The Release Notes contain other important info and is a must read:
 http://www.genunix.org/distributions/belenix_site/?q=ReleaseNotes_0.7

 The belenix 0.7 download information is available at
 http://www.genunix.org/distributions/belenix_site/?q=download

 Overall, we hope this release has a reached a level of usability where you
 can actually install and use it as regular desktop environment and enjoy
 KDE on OpenSolaris.

 This announcement with a few additional points is available at
 http://www.genunix.org/distributions/belenix_site/?q=node/69

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Re: [PLUG] Self Analysis

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:53 AM, ഓം [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  www.ncomputing.com based solution will help you money and some
  headache, but I do not know how you could use your old software on
  that.


A fun thing to do would be to setup a complete ncomuting equivalent
and learn from the effort involved.

  I would advise to use Linux + OpenOffice combination.


Ack on that. And to give a response in context of the original topic,
I'd say that the silent workers would be the people who'd actually sit
with someone and help them move to Linux + OpenOffice. (Disclaimer:
I'm not saying that everyone else just sits and talks away shooting
links all over the place :) )

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Re: [PLUG] Self Analysis

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On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 2:58 PM, ഓം [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Another piece of (unwanted) advise.  Start with your existing PC, and
  start using OpenOffice instead of MSOffice and then you would learn
  whatever you need to lean about it.  YOu already know Linux... So tell
  us where you need help and I am sure there are plenty of people
  willing to help... including the the undersigned.


Aaah.. perhaps I've not communicated my real world use cases properly.

I listed them there as problems that non tech folks encounter, and as
an example of just what non tech discussions around Linux could
involve :)

I myself am a sysadmin + developer with Thoughtworks Bangalore, and
enjoy porting applications to Solaris for fun :)

Incidentally, I'm now using OSX on my Macbook pro, in a bid to
understand the usability improvements that Apple has made to the world
of GUI interactions.

  --
  Those who can't help themselves can not usually help others!


Indeed.

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Re: [PLUG] Self Analysis

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Chetan Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Sriram Narayanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Aaah.. perhaps I've not communicated my real world use cases properly.
  
I listed them there as problems that non tech folks encounter, and as
an example of just what non tech discussions around Linux could
involve :)

  A look at the archives will help a lot in communicating or
  not-communicating effectively in real life cases on PLUG
  ...

Meaning ? Have I mis-communicated possible real world problems (a
response to Nishit's observation that LUGs sometimes take tech focus
too far) ?

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Re: [PLUG] Self Analysis

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Sriram Narayanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Aaah.. perhaps I've not communicated my real world use cases properly.

  Why did you have to intervene now?  I was gladly enjoying all the fun
  (if there's something like that triple whammy).

Sorry :)

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Re: [PLUG] Self Analysis

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 3:38 PM, ഓം [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Sriram Narayanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a small business selling carpets and handicrafts. With the
grace of God, my business is now expanding, and I will be able to
offer employment to about 10 people. Each of these persons will use MS
Office and Internet explorer.
  
I don't have much money right now to opt for high end computers or for
licensed software. I'm considering hiring desktops and using pirated
copies of Windows and MS Office on those.
  
Are there any legal options available for me ?

  you perhaps have not read this...
  http://bindhast.com/career1.htm

  I can't say this exactly fits your case, but think about what you are
  saying above again.

Nice read. Thanks for the link.

I've quoted the essence of what an acquaintance once told me when
seeking advice on buying and using computers.


  There are plenty of legal options.  But based on your name, I would
  ask you a simple Q,
  Why was was Shriiraam called मर्यादापुरुषोत्तम?  That should help
  you answer your question yourself...


I actually do not know why Shriiraam was called by that name, but I do
know that it'd not be an obvious answer to a person seeking a tech's
advice on how to address his computing needs :) Ubuntu Linux +
OpenOffice is more what I'd had in mind :P


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Re: [PLUG] Self Analysis

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On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Sriram Narayanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
of free time and of how shy they are about meeting other tech
enthusiasts.

  I sometimes think LUGs take the tech enthusiasts thing too far -
  scaring away lay users like me who are not interested in programming
  languages or database administration, but in solving day-to-day
  computing issues.  Usually happens when you have a large number of
  students participating in the group.


You are so right.

What I've found interesting is to get the techies to apply their
knowledge to solve a problem.
===
I have a small business selling carpets and handicrafts. With the
grace of God, my business is now expanding, and I will be able to
offer employment to about 10 people. Each of these persons will use MS
Office and Internet explorer.

I don't have much money right now to opt for high end computers or for
licensed software. I'm considering hiring desktops and using pirated
copies of Windows and MS Office on those.

Are there any legal options available for me ?
===

I'm using a Foxpro 2.6 for DOS based application which is working just
fine. However, my old computer is about to die - the hard disk is
starting to make some clanking noise, and the computer hangs after six
hours of use. My hardware technician tells me that I should replace
this with a new computer. I do not want to put in too much money on
very high end systems and pay for a fancy GUI that I will never even
use. The technician tells me that Vista is good for viewing DVD
movies, but I already have a DVD player at home.

Are there any other options that my technician has not considered for me ?

===

We have one internet connection in the office, and this line is
connected to an office PC. So far, we've been using the PC on a turn
by turn basis. But sometimes, we have to ask the customer to wait too
long before we get a chance to send them an email. Our present
solution is to type the mails in Word, save the documents onto a
floppy, and to then sit on the internet PC and upload that document.

We're considering connecting internet access to one more PC as a short
term measure.

Is there any low cost ISP who can provide us with dedicated
connections to each and every PC that we have ?

(This was a case where the people hadn't heard of a LAN, or of
internet connection sharing, or of line bonding)
===
With real world problem statements like that, the tech folks would be
challenged to come up with an implementation where the costs, the
technology, the suport angle, etc, all have to be considered. It is
one thing to discuss abstract issues on a mailing list. It is quite
another thing to put together a concrete system such as a solution for
the above.

Tossing together a network with Ubuntu is no big deal - I do it all
the time. But then we're the techies. It's the non-techies for whom
such things are a big deal, and for whom seeing a solution materialize
in front of them would be very very mind-broadening.

I know an ex-insurance agent based in Pune who has quit his insurance
business and has started to offer solutions to people who have problem
statements such as the above. This person, Arun Tomar, is a PLUG
member, btw.

Perhaps future PLUG meets of CSLug meets could actually have an
exercise where people implement solutions to the above. People who
have never set up networks before could now actually setup networks.
And those who're wondering just how one makes money using open source
software would now get to understand that there is a market for
providing services.

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Re: [PLUG] Self Analysis

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On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Sriram Narayanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Sriram Narayanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  of free time and of how shy they are about meeting other tech
  enthusiasts.
  
I sometimes think LUGs take the tech enthusiasts thing too far -
scaring away lay users like me who are not interested in programming
languages or database administration, but in solving day-to-day
computing issues.  Usually happens when you have a large number of
students participating in the group.
  

Lest some students mis-understand what Nishit is saying here:

Students are exposed to technology and are students of technology.
Consequentially, their focus remains technology. If they were to see
how technology could be applied, suddenly they'd start to even study
in a different way.

While working in Nashik, I once taught a COM/DCOM programming course.
Most students had never written much code beyond basic assignments. I
was used to having to deal with that having been a mentor for B.E.
projects. So when I decided to teach the course, I chose to change the
rules a bit. One, every  session that we had together comprised of me
telling folks how the topic of the day was applied to solve real world
problems.

Another different thing was with the assignments : I encouraged
everyone to copy from each other, and to tell me just what they had to
copy and why. It was just fine if the class as a whole sent me a
solution, but individuals could send me separate solutions too.

This led to a higher degree of collaboration and learning (in my
observation), prompted people to speak up and to ask questions, and to
set out finding parallels in the real world.

People focus on that which they see in front of them.

Perhaps it's time for PLUG to try additional things at PLUG meets -
what we take for granted (real world problems), may be new stuff for
students (apply technology to solve real world problems) :)

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Re: [PLUG] Self Analysis

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  On 23-Feb-08, at 4:40 PM, Sriram Narayanan wrote:

   On CSLug

  what  is CSLug?


CSLug - Computer Science Linux User Group
(http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cslug/messages).

Formerly called BCS Lug - Bachelors of Science Computer Linux User
Group, until one of the moderators accidentally made a setting that
prevented anyone else from joining the group.

The list members are mostly Pune based, and mostly students. The
intent was to create a list where students could join and learn about
Linux and about FOSS philosophies without getting flamed for not
understanding netiquette or for posting off topic messages.

The CSLinux distribution was much discussed and developed by different
members of the BCSLug list.

Some members of the CSLug list are on PLUG and vice versa. We've all
been careful to never criticize the PLUG simply because we're all part
of the same open source community. The reason two groups exist is to
cater to different types of list members - the one who like focussed
discussions and netiquette (I think), and the other where newbies are
encouraged to sign up and ask questions and to learn netiquette either
by observation, or by asking, or on other lists.

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Re: [PLUG] Why support mono/moonlight?

[Sriram Narayanan]

On Jan 8, 2008 3:51 PM, Anoop John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  C# is the most advanced language (AFAIK). Why don't we have it on linux. We
  know that open source implementations are better that proprietary
  implementation (performance/memory usage,...).
 Why did you say that C# is the most advanced language? What is it that
 makes it better than C++? Aren't most of the differences because of
 the .net framework?

There are lots of merits of the C# language that make it serious
competition to Java, C++ and other languages that we've all used so
far.

At Thoughtworks, the growing feeling is that we're able to accomplish
more with C# than with Java, and based on the clean code that I see my
colleagues produce, I'm starting to get convinced. These are desktop
and web service applications being put to use by customers from early
on in the development cycle, and the developers have used Java in the
past on equally demanding projects. I have heard these developers talk
about features such as delegates, etc, but haven't really explored c#
myself. I'd dabbled once with some interesting notions of transmitting
objects (.NET remoting) but that's it.

Here's more info on the c # language  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Sharp

The breadth of the library is a separate matter, and there, too .NET
has much to offer. Again, my Java+.NET colleagues tell me that they
find the .NET offerings to be more comprehensive.

As a developer, I use Java and a little bit of Ruby, and have written
COM components in the past for a living. I am considering looking at
C# as the next language to have in my toolkit of languages.

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[PLUG] [ANN] Invitation for an eclipse user group meet in Pune.

[Sriram Narayanan]

Hello Folks:

We at Thoughtworks are hosting two more events. One of which is the
Geeknight session, and the other being the gathering of the Eclipse
Developers in Pune.

We're planning to have more talks and sessions on that day - there are
some sessions already mentioned, with others sessions likely to be
added soon.

All registrations are welcome.

Feel free to ask questions about this event at either the Pune Eclipse
Developers' mailing list, or by sending mails directly to Ketan (CC'd)
or to me.

-- Sriram

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From: Ketan Padegaonkar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Dec 6, 2007 7:56 PM
Subject: [eclipse-pune-dev] [ANN] Invitation for an eclipse user group
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Hello everyone,

There's an eclipse user group meet planned on Sat, 22nd of Dec. Everyone
who plans to attend/speak are requested to sign up
(http://eclipse-pune-dev.pbwiki.com/FrontPage)

Do feel free to propose any ideas for talks -- even if you do not want
to talk about something, someone else may volunteer to   :)

Do throw any ideas that you may have around this on this thread.

Cheers,
Ketan Padegaonkar
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[PLUG] Fwd: [ug-posug] Colleges having Open Solaris user groups.

[Sriram Narayanan]

Folks:

This is an interesting call by the Pune Open Solaris User Group.

-- Sriram

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From: ameya agnihotri [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sep 10, 2007 6:18 PM
Subject: [ug-posug] Colleges having Open Solaris user groups.
To: POSUG [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Hi All,

Is there any college in Pune which has its own open solaris user group?
if yes, please send me the URL of there webpage on OpenSolaris.org.
If any college is running a user group and dosnt have a URL, please
let me know.
We are planning to create Webpages for institutions having open
solaris user-goups.

Also,  please try to discuss problems, issues, doubts on ug-posug
mailing thread for two reasons:

1. More people will liten to your questions and try to answer it.
2. your thoughts will reach wider audience .

Also, please let me know about the leaders of user groups in each colleges.
We are planning to have a meeting of all [campus]-user-group leaders.

Please reply asap.

Regards,
Ameya

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Re: [PLUG] MySQL not working on Solaris

[Sriram Narayanan]

On 7/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I downloaded MySQL for Solaris 9.0 from MySQL site. MySQL is not working at
all. When I run mysqld daemon it fails to load. Giving many erros
including socket permission, port etc etc.
I sent query at OpenSolaris forum under Database section. I am shocked,
nobody knows knows MySQL troubleshooting on Solaris. In 10 days i did a lot
of searching on Google. Even MySQL itself dont have troublehooting document
for MySQL on Solaris.


There's was response on July 17 to your post
(http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=35013tstart=0)
Perhaps following that would help you.

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[PLUG] Fwd: A very nice POSUG meet :)

[Sriram Narayanan]

Folks:

We had the POSUG meet today. Here's some text on what happened.

-- Sriram
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From: Sriram Narayanan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Jul 21, 2007 4:13 PM
Subject: A very nice POSUG meet :)
To: POSUG [EMAIL PROTECTED]


A very nice POSUG meet !

We'd all never met before. And we left very interested in continuing
to meet, and to learn from each other !

The attendees were:

Vaibhav (referred by Amit Karpe)
Path (referred by Amit Karpe)
Siddarth
Chaitanya
Arindam
Abhishek
Sriram

We didn't have more attendeed - partly because I didn't post earlier
to CSLUG, and didn't post to PLUG, GEEP Linux at all.

We met at the Thoughtworks' office at Yerwada. It's quite some
distance for some members. And COEP too could be a possible venue.

Discussions:
We started of with telling each other about how we each got involved
with Solaris, and what we do during the day.

Being a member of the BOSUG (Bangalore Open Solaris UG), I gave some
news about the BOSUG. (The BOSUG folks are conducting a pkgbuild
hackathon in August where participants will help each other create
pkgbuild spec files for various software).

We then spoke about Zones. Apart from Siddath, who has used Branded
Zones in Solaris to run Linux within Solaris, and Chaitanya, who's
explored Zones a bit, no one else had really made use of zones. But
that didn't deter us, and we quickly decided to all just pitch in as
needed. Chaitanya gave a nice explanation of how Zones work, and of
how the Solaris kernel is shared between the various Zones. I then
spoke about Branded Zones, and about how folks use DTrace to analyze
linux apps that are running within a Branded Zone on Solaris.

Arindam gave some very interesting news. He, Ameya and another
colleague (all three from Symantec/Veritas) had put together an amd 64
miniroot for Solaris remote booting. The rest of us felt this to be
very exciting news and are all eager to learn more about this work.
Arindam intends to start posting about this, and if all goes well in
terms of preparation

Chaitanya then gave us a brief introduction to Xen. I was pleasantly
surprised to learn that given certain conditions, Xen now lets us run
Windows from within a Xen enabled host. We all also discusssed the
various rings of execution, as I understand it, when Xen starts up
and runs kernels.

Parth spoke about wanting to migrating some Fox pro apps to Linux. We
couldn't recollect the name of a free xbase compiler (I only recalled
that it was related in meaning to navigation/the stars/the sea). A bit
of googling while typing this statement, and I chanced upon Flagship.

Abhishek reminded us that we needed to discuss the new POSUG site.
There's a post by Jim to the POSUG, and we've decided that we need to
get in touch with Gokul and Ameya (the POSUG founders) and also with
Jim on going ahead with the web site

Some links to provide more context:
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ug-posug/2007-July/000166.html
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ug-posug/2007-July/thread.html

I brought up something that I've been rather concerned about :
OpenSolaris without Sun ! We had a look at my journal post on this
topic :
http://dynamicproxy.livejournal.com/16681.html
I stated that I did get the answers to some of my questions later on
(but hadn't updated my journal on this topic).
We discussed this in the context of the Caldera + SCO fiasco, and
accepted that some risk did exist.

We also decided that we're going to encourage various people to
participate and to present their ideas. For e.g., Vaibhav had worked
on some very interesting (to me) networking project during his B.E.
Arindam has some application package building experience, and looks
forward to show casing this topic to list members.

We all also discussed further course of action:
1. Meet once a month.
2. Meet on Sundays, since Saturday may be a problem for Chaitanya.
3. Meet at other venues too (COEP, for e.g.) since Yerwada is a bit
far away for some list members.
4. Follow up with Gokul, Ameya and Jim Grisanzio on the new POSUG site.
   Whom do we expect to contact to get the site up and running ?
5. Post about today's meet with all of us writing in about our experiences.
6. Showcase our ideas and technical development in meets later.

What I liked about today's session:
1. Zero crticism.
   There was this moment when, after Arindam finished talking about the
miniroot, I was in a daze. I was wondering aloud about whether we
could have a Solaris zone start up a PXE boot environment which would
then download the mini root. My goal was to find out whether one could
start a PXE boot from within a zone, and then make use of it. Perhaps
even DTrace it to learn more about PXEBoot. My description of this
thought was very nonsensical, but we all had a good laugh over it :)
   We identified this easy acceptance of mistakes, and the absence of a
criticism culture as being some of the essential guiding rules at
POSUG.

2. A room full

Re: [PLUG] Problem with Solaris Installation

[Sriram Narayanan]

On 6/13/07, Kunal Thakar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Solaris requires a primary partition for installation.
You can read more about it here
http://www.genunix.org/distributions/belenix_site/?q=hdinstall
I would also suggest using Belenix, it comes with a LiveCD.



Kunal is right. Present day Solaris requires a primary partition.
There is a project that's working on adding booting from extended
partitions as a feature.

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Re: [PLUG] Video extraction tools ?

[Sriram Narayanan]

On 5/23/07, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


http://web.gnuer.org/blog/archives/49-creating-clips-with-mencoder.html

and perhaps you can read http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg-doc.html



Thanks. I wasn't aware that ffmpeg also lets one work with media files.

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Re: [PLUG] Cnfirmation: PLUG meeting for May 2007 is scheduled on Saturday May 5, 2007, 4 pm

[Sriram Narayanan]

Hi Sudhanwa:

I'm going to miss this month's meet too.

I'm flying out tonight from Bangalore to San Francisco to speak that
the Javaone in the US.

See you sometime !

-- Sriram

On 5/4/07, sudhanwa Jogalekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

PLUG meeting for May 2007 is scheduled on Saturday 5th May, 2007,  4
pm @ SICSR.

These are the details:
Location: SICSR, Atur Centre, Model Colony.
Room No 704. 7th floor ( room no. may change )
Time 4 pm

Agenda:

Devendra will be giving a demo on Sugar CRM.

Any other topic coming up during the meeting.

You can suggest topic/speakers for the meeting.


We will be accepting formal membership at the meeting.
CDs will be available at the meeting. Updated list of CDs is available
on the PLUG website.

Kindly make yourself available for the meeting.

Regards,
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Re: [PLUG] Cnfirmation: PLUG meeting for May 2007 is scheduled on Saturday May 5, 2007, 4 pm

[Sriram Narayanan]

Hello Sudhanwa:

Thanks for the good wishes. I'll keep you posted about my adventures
at the Javaone !

And the next time, I'll definitely arrange my schedule that I attend
the PLUG meet :)

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[PLUG] [OT] [ANN] ThoughtWorks presents The Master Class Series Saturday 26th May, 2007 @ Sun-n- Sand, Pune

[Sriram Narayanan]

Hello everyone:

At Thoughtworks, we like to interact with people from various software
companies, and have a firm conviction in community driven events.
Which is why, we sometimes organize the Geeknights events. We have one
such event earlier this year in Pune (on Feb 10, to be exact). At that
event, we'd held two talks - one on the Google Web Toolkit, and
another on Test Driven Development and Pair Programming as Extreme
Programming practices.

This time, we're conducting an event on a much larger scale. This
event is the Master Class series event which we're hosting in
Bangalore as well as in Pune.

The remainder of this mail contains more details.

I look forward to meeting other PLUG folks and programmers at the event.

Have a nice day!

-- Sriram
Software developer,
Thoughtworks, Pune.


*ThoughtWorks presents -- The Master Class Series*

Writing and speaking are traditionally seen as the public face of a
company. For software companies there is another vital channel -
software itself. We have always been both enthusiastic users and
contributors to Open Source software. Many ThoughtWorkers spend nights
and weekends working on open source projects, which we encourage as much
as we can. Open source projects are hardly ever controlled by a single
company, so there's little notion of 'ThoughtWorks open source'. Yet
we're glad that our individual contributors have made a big difference
by their work on these projects.  Martin Fowler. Chief Scientist,
ThoughtWorks.

We at ThoughtWorks have always believed in sharing knowledge. This has
long manifested itself in many ways including books published
(http://www.thoughtworks.co.in/books) and open source software
(http://opensource.thoughtworks.com) contributed to, by ThoughtWorkers.

ThoughtWorks, a global IT consulting firm with their India offices in
Bangalore and Pune is hosting its annual seminar in Pune on Saturday,
26th May, 2007 at Sun-n- Sand between 10.00 AM and 3.00 PM.

To register log on to http://twi.co.in or email indiaevents [at]
thoughtworks [dot] com

*Topics*
_Refactoring Databases_ - Evolutionary Database Development
_Presenter_: Pramod Sadalage (author of the book Database Refactoring)

For years the norm for object developers was to work in an evolutionary
(iterative and incremental) manner but for database developers to work
in a more serial manner. The predominance of evolutionary development
methodologies such as Extreme Programming (XP), Feature Driven
Development (FDD) make it clear that the two groups need to work in the
same manner to be productive as a team.
Pramod will present material from his 2007 Jolt Productivity Award
winning book Refactoring Databases : Evolutionary Database Design on
how to go about doing evolutionary database development and will talk
about the following techniques, Database refactoring, Evolutionary data
modeling, Database testing, Configuration management of database
artifacts and developer sandboxes.

_Evolutionary Testing_ - Adapting to changing applications
_Presenter_: Vivek Prahlad

Automated functional testing is a key technique that allows complex
systems to rapidly evolve without regressing. When a system grows, and
the amount of functionality that the system offers also grows, so does
it's test suite. After a while, a test suite can become as large and as
complex as the system that it tests. Maintaining large test suites needs
the same kind of concepts and principles that enable development teams
to tackle complexity - concepts and principles such as design,
refactoring, reusability, and abstraction. This talk covers the issues
involved with the functional testing of applications that change -
moving targets that need new techniques for testing them.

_Domain Specific Languages_ - Real world experiences
_Presenters_: Akshay Singh Rawat and Sreekanth Vadagiri

A DSL lies somewhere between a tiny programming language and a scripting
language, and is often used in a way analogous to a programming library.
The boundaries between these concepts are quite blurry, much like the
boundary between scripting languages and general-purpose languages. They
are created specifically to solve problems in a particular domain and
are not intended to be able to solve problems outside of it.
In some situations, creating a DSL can hugely benefit a project,
allowing business rules to be defined and changed on the fly, often by
the end-users of the system. This talk focuses on Domain Specific
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Re: [PLUG] How to install solaris...? (Nobie)

[Sriram Narayanan]

On 4/6/07, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi,

As this is a LUG, can we ask people to redirect their Solaris-related
queries to the P/OSUG and / or ask them to keep their threads separate with
a [SOLARIS] tag?  This may help keep the focus on *Linux* *Users*.



My +1 for the [SOLARIS] tag, and for asking users to post further
questions to the POSUG list. On my part, I'll remember to ask users to
send further questions to the POSUG.


Thank you.


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Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu edgy

[Sriram Narayanan]

On 3/21/07, Ranjit Bhonsle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




 It's called distro fatigue.  There comes a point in time when people start
 to look beyond bragging rights about successful install and driver
 insertion, and want to get some work done.


Ya, I guess people work with computers. I use it mostly for information
gathering, computing my taxes  and  an  occasional game. But all of that
pales off when a new fedora or in recent times Ubuntu is launched. I have
to have it and install it. The kind of kick that gives me is second only to
installing a new piece of hardwarewhich is very rarely.



+1 to this. I share your joy for trying out a new distro. Thanks to
this, I've discovered Belenix, and am going to start working on my own
Belenix release sometime soon.

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Re: [PLUG] Develment tool for MSP430

[Sriram Narayanan]

On 2/25/07, Sharique uddin Ahmed Farooqui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Any IDE for msp430?



The Eclipse CDT might be of interest to you.

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Re: [PLUG] problem with mozilla firefox

[Sriram Narayanan]

On 2/24/07, nilesh deo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

hi

i have mdk 2007 ,by default i ave firefox 1.5 i want to install te new
version 2

now here is the prob

do anything i am not able to install it

[EMAIL PROTECTED] firefox]# ./firefox
./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot
open shared object file: No such file or directory



http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser_will_not_start_up


[EMAIL PROTECTED] firefox]# ./firefox-bin
./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libmozjs.so: cannot
open shared object file: No such file or directory

what i did was i dwnl firefox from the official site,untarred it and firring
commands on the folder named firefox which is there on /home



Follow the advice given at the link
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser_will_not_start_up and then see if
you face any problems.

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Re: [PLUG] Anyone interested in Solaris/OpenSolaris ?

[Sriram Narayanan]

On 1/31/07, Desi Penguin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Is there a mailing list (or are you planning to start one ?)
I would subscribe for sure.


The Community site is :
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/posug/

To subscribe, send a blank mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'm not sure how much time I'll get  for offline activities.



One Saturday a month may help us get started.


There may be more such people here on PLUG.



It'd be great to meet more folks :)


-DP


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Re: [PLUG] querry about usb flash drive

[Sriram Narayanan]

On 1/30/07, jayant ogale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

hi,
my question is whether this usb version of mandrivs OR
any other distros / alternatives you are suggesting,
supports / installs my set of hardware or not.
jayant



You could try booting your computer with a LiveCD of one of the
various Linux distributions available. Ubuntu is a popular
distribution available as a LiveCD that can be installed onto your
computer (if you wish to do so). In your case, you could simply boot
your computer off this LiveCD, and test each of your components.

A prepackaged Linux distribution may not support your hardware out of
the box. You may have even go to the extent of building a custom linux
distribution from source, and then installing this onto a USB drive.
I'd done just this in Jan last year using Gentoo Linux.

Refer to http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/usb-guide.xml for more information.

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[PLUG] Anyone interested in Solaris/OpenSolaris ?

[Sriram Narayanan]

Hi:

I'm an active member of Bangalore's Open Solaris User Group, and have
recently moved to Pune for about six months.

If you are a Solaris/OpenSolaris enthusiast, do get in touch with me,
and we could start/revive OpenSolaris activities in Pune :)

-- Sriram

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Re: [PLUG] Anyone interested in Solaris/OpenSolaris ?

[Sriram Narayanan]

On 1/30/07, Arindam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

There is an existing POSUG ... but unfortunately I haven't seen much
activity on it. We could start it. Let me know what can be done.



Great :) I'll write to you off-list.

If anyone else is interesting in Solaris/OpenSolaris/Solaris user
group activity in Pune, do write to me, and we'll get in touch with
each other.

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[PLUG] [ANN] Thoughtworks Geeknights session on Feb 10 on GWT and on Extreme Programming.

[Sriram Narayanan]

Hello folks:

I work with Thoughtworks India, and am presently working at our newly
setup Pune office at Yerwada.

Some of us are interested in FOSS activities, and like to interact
with tech folks. In Bangalore, software developers gather at our
Bangalore office and discuss various interesting topics that pique our
interest.

We'd like to start the GeekNights sessions at our Pune office too, and
we welcome all developers and enthusiasts to participate.

Feel free to speak on topics of your choice (preferable related to
programming in some way) at a Thoughtworks Geeknight. All you need is
to get in touch with the organizers and put up your topic for the next
session.

ThoughtWorks invites you to the first edition of Geek Nights in Pune.
Geek Night is an informal gathering of geeks (read passionate
developers who want to work on cutting edge technology) where we pick
a hot tech topic, discuss it and learn from each others experiences
and perspectives. This has been a big hit in Bangalore where we have
organized quite a few sessions in the past. The techie community has
pretty much fallen in love with the concept of not only giving gyan
but also recieving it in a very interactive mode.

The topics for these Geek Nights may range from stuff like Ruby on
Rails to proven open source tools like Hibernate or Spring. We also
indulge in Code Jams where we get our laptops into a room and go about
solving a problem and discuss our solutions till the food is over (we
do tend to feel hungry and thirsty during these sessions and keep some
snacks handy!)

Details of the next Geeknight session
Date: Saturday, 10th February 2007
Time: 2 pm to 6pm
Venue: ThoughtWorks Pune Office
Address:
ThoughtWorks Technologies
Ground Floor, Tower C, Panchshil Tech Park (near Don Bosco School),
Yerwada, Pune.

Session 1: Google Web Toolkit
Time: 2 pm to 3:30 pm
Presenters: Sriram and Nikhil

Sriram and Nikhil have been using the Google Web Toolkit (GWT) in
their current project. They say GWT has completely changed the way
they think about designing web applications. They discuss the key
differentiators of GWT as compared to the other Ajax frameworks along
with a few best practices they have evolved over their time working
with it.

References:
http://code.google.com/webtoolkit

Session 2: Practicing Extreme Programming
Time: 4:30 pm to 6 pm
Presenters: Mahadeo and Raghu

Maha and Raghu have been following Extreme Programming (XP) on their
projects in ThoughtWorks for a few years now. They plan to tell us
about how the development level practices in XP bring huge benefits to
the developers and to the team.

Here the XP practices they plan to demonstrate with the help of a
coding problem.
•Test Driven Development (TDD) -
•Pair Programming
•Evolutionary design
•Refactoring

References:
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ExtremeProgramming
http://www.refactoring.com


If you are interested in attending these sessions please sign up on
this page on the Geeknights wiki. Also join the Google Group at [
http://groups.google.com/group/ThoughtWorks-Bangalore-Geek-Nights] and
we shall keep you posted on the dates and topics for the next Geek
Nights.

In case you have any questions/clarifications feel free to contact
Chirag (email: chirag [dot] doshi [at] gmail [dot] com) or Nikhil
(nfernand[at]thoughtworks[dot]com)

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