Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Max2Play Webinterface for Mediaclients (Audioplayer, Squeezeserver, Airplay, XBMC)

2015-10-20 Thread Man in a van

ad6922 wrote: 
> Hopefully on the right place.
> 
> I am looking to replace my QNAP server as the central place where my
> Squeezebox Server software is running.
> 
> I want to replace that with a device like a raspberry pi (!?) that can
> run Squeezebox Server 7.9
> 
> My music still resides on the NAS, I want the Squeezebox Server software
> play that music via
> 5 squeezebox Radios, 1 squeezebox touch and 3 squeeze plays on different
> computers.
> 
> I assume with the limited knowledge on this part that I have that this
> is possible with the raspberry Pi linked with an ethernet cable to the
> internal network.
> 
> 1) If So, What exactly do i need to buy (raspberry Pi 2, max2play (?)
> 2) How can I install the squeezebox server on the device (any manuals,
> or is it pre-installed)
> 3) How can I link to my server to play the music?
> 4) Will I experience any difference in my multi room audio experience
> with a setup via a Raspberry Pi or that I run it directly via a server
> 
> Any help is very much appreciated!!!


Start by reading over here

http://www.max2play.com/



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Max2Play Webinterface for Mediaclients (Audioplayer, Squeezeserver, Airplay, XBMC)

2015-10-20 Thread Giza2020

I run this on a pi2 connected to a nas share and i run 3 squeeze devices
(boom, receiver and pi/Hifiberrry ) all sync'd or playing individual
streams without any problems ...other than the usual tech issues that
come hand in hand with tech :-)



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Max2Play Webinterface for Mediaclients (Audioplayer, Squeezeserver, Airplay, XBMC)

2015-10-20 Thread Man in a van

ad6922 wrote: 
> Hopefully on the right place.
> 
> I am looking to replace my QNAP server as the central place where my
> Squeezebox Server software is running.
> 
> I want to replace that with a device like a raspberry pi (!?) that can
> run Squeezebox Server 7.9
> 
> My music still resides on the NAS, I want the Squeezebox Server software
> play that music via
> 5 squeezebox Radios, 1 squeezebox touch and 3 squeeze plays on different
> computers.
> 
> I assume with the limited knowledge on this part that I have that this
> is possible with the raspberry Pi linked with an ethernet cable to the
> internal network.
> 
> 1) If So, What exactly do i need to buy (raspberry Pi 2, max2play (?)
> 2) How can I install the squeezebox server on the device (any manuals,
> or is it pre-installed)
> 3) How can I link to my server to play the music?
> 4) Will I experience any difference in my multi room audio experience
> with a setup via a Raspberry Pi or that I run it directly via a server
> 
> Any help is very much appreciated!!!

ad6922 wrote: 
> Thanks for the link. Found that same link in the mean time and read it
> and went through the total thread, so know a lot more now.
> 
> Understand now that max2play is a browser for a RPI or Odroid. And that
> LMS can easily be installed. 
> So that sounds good. Read some challenges to find the nas-share with
> some ways to figure it our, so with some common sense
> and help from these sources I will manage to do so.
> 
> Then for the hardware: You can use Odroid or RPI. Seems that for the
> best experience I need an Odroid, according to same thread results.
> 
> Should I, based on your experiences, buy the Odroid or would you advice
> me other hardware?
> 
> Thanks for any help


I run two systems, one with LMS on a rpi2 and the other with Odroid U3
(now discontinued I think).

If you intend to use the small form computer just to run LMS then there
is no real (IME) difference.

The rpi2 has excellent support and I would say stick with that.

It is the support that is key with these things (again IME).

If in the UK I can recommend

https://www.modmypi.com/

Also look here for a good list of software

http://www.squeezeplug.eu/

Remember: Keep Calm:Be Dutch

atb

Ronnie



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Max2Play Webinterface for Mediaclients (Audioplayer, Squeezeserver, Airplay, XBMC)

2015-10-20 Thread ad6922

flysurfer wrote: 
> Hi ad6922,
> 
> you can easily go with a Raspberry Pi 2. This is powerful enough for
> hosting a Squeezebox Server and a player on the same device and runs
> very smooth. We have some prebuild images for the Raspberry that are
> tested and you find good DACs like HiFiBerry that offer good sound
> quality.
> 
> The Odroid U3 that we used in the beginning is not produced anymore and
> the XU4 has a fan mounted on the CPU that is not really silent. The
> ODROID C1+ is little more powerful but has less supported hardware and
> less people are using it.
> 
> If you are aiming for an easy setup and solid functionality and support
> - get the Raspberry with a good DAC.
> 
> @Man in a Van: thanks for posting! Seems I was too late ;)

Thanks for all your reactions. Lot more questions to come ;-)

Question 1: 
- I assume that a DAC is only needed when you want to install
squeezelite on the RPI. I don't need that as I own more then enough SB
players ;-). So am I right that I don't need a DAC then? (sorry, just
starting to learn it overhere)

Question 2:
For the hardware, I read the following remarks in the thread over the
hardware:
- Thanks for considering adding this Flysurfer. Before using the Odroid
I was running LMS and Squeezelite off of a Raspberry Pi. This worked but
there was a considerable amount of lag when changing the music. With the
Odroid this is a thing of the past.*
- The odroid seems much faster than my pi so cant wait to see how it
does with LMS and Kodi.
- On a side note - LMS runs really well on the Odroid U3 - a good bit
faster then my Raspberry Pi 2 - scanning my 65000 track library took
less than half the time (probably largely down to eMMC, but other
factors may well be an influence). And Kodi seems to run a bit
smoother.*

According to these message Odroid would be the preferred option for
speed. Do you ahve a different experience, based on RPI advice that you
gave?

Question 3:
Next to Squeezebos Server I want to run Kodi as well. Still stick to
RPI?

Question 4:
Man in a Van advices to use 16GB. Is that still valid with LMS and Kodi
together?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Max2Play Webinterface for Mediaclients (Audioplayer, Squeezeserver, Airplay, XBMC)

2015-10-20 Thread ad6922

flysurfer wrote: 
> @ad6922: I thought you are going for a player and server in one device.
> If you are just looking for a Squeezebox Server, the ODROID XU4 might be
> worth looking at. But as I mentioned this has a fan, that makes some
> noise... So you have to hide it somewhere. The EMMC-Cards a lot faster
> than SD-Cards, but this isn't that important when you are streaming your
> music from a NAS. 
> 
> When this thread started, there was no Raspberry Pi 2 - so comparing the
> ODROID U3 and the Old Raspberry Pi, the ODROID gave a lot more
> performance. Now that we have the RPi 2 things changed a bit. You may
> run a Squeezebox Server and Kodi at the same time on a Raspberry Pi 2.

Clear, as I probably need some help here and there in time I will go for
the RPI2.

Let's shop then directly from the source :-):

What need to go in my basket?
RPI2:   
http://shop.max2play.com/en/hardware/raspberry-pi-2-modell-b.html
2A power supply:   
http://shop.max2play.com/en/zubehor/stromversorgung/leistungsfahigeres-netzteil-fur-raspberry-pi.html
16 GB micro SD preinstalled with max2play Not available in the
shop?
casing for only the RPI2Not available in
the shop?

flysurfer, can you check the items and also the ones that doesn't seems
to be in your store.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Max2Play Webinterface for Mediaclients (Audioplayer, Squeezeserver, Airplay, XBMC)

2015-10-20 Thread ad6922

Man in a van wrote: 
> I run two systems, one with LMS on a rpi2 and the other with Odroid U3
> (now discontinued I think).
> 
> If you intend to use the small form computer just to run LMS then there
> is no real (IME) difference.
> 
> The rpi2 has excellent support and I would say stick with that.
> 
> It is the support that is key with these things (again IME).
> 
> If in the UK I can recommend
> 
> https://www.modmypi.com/
> 
> Also look here for a good list of software
> 
> http://www.squeezeplug.eu/
> 
> Remember: Keep Calm:Be Dutch
> 
> atb
> 
> Ronnie
> 
> 
> Every thing in your list is possible.
> 
> You need a good power supply (min 2amps).
> 
> A 16gb sd card is fine.
> 
> If you get stuck, first search in the forum thread and then ask your
> question if you can not find the answer.
> 
> Patience is required (depending on your skill levels (most of us start
> of knowing nothing and progress to knowing a bit).
> 
> Most of all, enjoy the experience.

Hi, thanks for the advice.

If I have the mini computer, then I want to use Kodi as well. Would you
then still stick to the RPI 2?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Max2Play Webinterface for Mediaclients (Audioplayer, Squeezeserver, Airplay, XBMC)

2015-10-20 Thread Man in a van

ad6922 wrote: 
> Hi, thanks for the advice.
> 
> If I have the mini computer, then I want to use Kodi as well. Would you
> then still stick to the RPI 2?



Well, I thought you just wanted LMS, Is Kodi an example of mission creep
or did you always want to this?;)

I can't speak on this as I don't do Kodi (or anything like it)

On your other post you quote someone recommending the Odroid because of
its speed it scanning a music library.

This will depend on the size of your library, remember that you will
only do a full rescan occasionally (I guess).

It is for you to decide which will suite the best.

My main point is the support.

Reading through the threads, you will notice that Stefan is very active
on supporting his product.

The team behind the raspberry pi are committed to supporting it (and
future versions).

The Odroid may appear to be more cutting edge (it is very much more
niche than the plebeian pi) but I think that the support offered by
Hardkernel is not up to the same standard (others may disagree).

It is the background support that enables the developers to do their
stuff.

But decide for yourself, what is your location?

Perhaps someone nearby will let you experience the virtues of either
device

Take a look over on the HardKernel site and search for LMS.

atb

Ronnie.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-10-20 Thread PasTim

It seems people living outside the UK and using a VPN to access UK
domestic iplayer streams may be being blocked.  See
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/19/bbc_cuts_off_vpn_to_iplayer/



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ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers.  Minimserver (server) & upplay
(control point) to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  Squeezelite to
Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones.  Wireless Xubuntu 15.04
laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with
Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver.   Have a Touch
with EDO, plus spare, but unused.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Max2Play Webinterface for Mediaclients (Audioplayer, Squeezeserver, Airplay, XBMC)

2015-10-20 Thread ad6922

Man in a van wrote: 
> Start by reading over here
> 
> http://www.max2play.com/

Thanks for the link. Found that same link in the mean time and read it
and went through the total thread, so know a lot more now.

Understand now that max2play is a browser for a RPI or Odroid. And that
LMS can easily be installed. 
So that sounds good. Read some challenges to find the nas-share with
some ways to figure it our, so with some common sense
and help from these sources I will manage to do so.

Then for the hardware: You can use Odroid or RPI. Seems that for the
best experience I need an Odroid, according to same thread results.

Should I, based on your experiences, buy the Odroid or would you advice
me other hardware?

Thanks for any help



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Max2Play Webinterface for Mediaclients (Audioplayer, Squeezeserver, Airplay, XBMC)

2015-10-20 Thread flysurfer

Hi ad6922,

you can easily go with a Raspberry Pi 2. This is powerful enough for
hosting a Squeezebox Server and a player on the same device and runs
very smooth. We have some prebuild images for the Raspberry that are
tested and you find good DACs like HiFiBerry that offer good sound
quality.

The Odroid U3 that we used in the beginning is not produced anymore and
the XU4 has a fan mounted on the CPU that is not really silent. The
ODROID C1+ is little more powerful but has less supported hardware and
less people are using it.

If you are aiming for an easy setup and solid functionality and support
- get the Raspberry with a good DAC.

@Man in a Van: thanks for posting! Seems I was too late ;)



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1 x Squeezebox Receiver
1 x Denon 1713 AVR + Nubert 5.1 System
iPeng

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Max2Play Webinterface for Mediaclients (Audioplayer, Squeezeserver, Airplay, XBMC)

2015-10-20 Thread flysurfer

@ad6922: I thought you are going for a player and server in one device.
If you are just looking for a Squeezebox Server, the ODROID XU4 might be
worth looking at. But as I mentioned this has a fan, that makes some
noise... So you have to hide it somewhere. The EMMC-Cards a lot faster
than SD-Cards, but this isn't that important when you are streaming your
music from a NAS. 

When this thread started, there was no Raspberry Pi 2 - so comparing the
ODROID U3 and the Old Raspberry Pi, the ODROID gave a lot more
performance. Now that we have the RPi 2 things changed a bit. You may
run a Squeezebox Server and Kodi at the same time on a Raspberry Pi 2.



2 x Max2Play on ODROID U2/U3 with LMS, Squeezelite, Shairport, XBMC
1 x Squeezebox Receiver
1 x Denon 1713 AVR + Nubert 5.1 System
iPeng

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Max2Play Shop: http://shop.max2play.com/

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Max2Play Webinterface for Mediaclients (Audioplayer, Squeezeserver, Airplay, XBMC)

2015-10-20 Thread ad6922

Man in a van wrote: 
> Well, I thought you just wanted LMS, is Kodi an example of mission creep
> or did you always want this?;)
I was searching for a solution to solve the security breach of my
current QNAP LMS package. But have installed Kodi on my Mac and just
realized by reading about max2play that Kodi can be handled as well. So
that makes it logical to combine it when buying this,

Man in a van wrote: 
>  This will depend on the size of your library, remember that you will
> only do a full rescan occasionally (I guess).
You're right. Do this just once per period, so no problem

Man in a van wrote: 
> My main point is the support.Reading through the threads, you will
> notice that Stefan is very active on supporting his product. The team
> behind the raspberry pi are committed to supporting it (and future
> versions)..
Very good and valid reason. Will need that support for sure. Made up my
mind with your help. RPI, it will be.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: UPnPBridge = integrate UPnP/DLNA players with LMS (squeeze2upnp)

2015-10-20 Thread PaulinPosset

philippe_44 wrote: 
> If I remember correctly, you had to use 'seek after pause' option to get
> pause working. The effect of that option is to memorize the time at
> pause and then, on resume, to ask LMS to re-position where the pause
> happened. This does not even work with Qobuz because Qobuz does not
> support re-positioning in general (you can verify that with any native
> LMS player, try to move the playback cursor). So, in Quobuz case,
> re-position is equivalent to restart. 
> 
> Of course, "seek after pause' option is an ugly workaround and what I
> failed to understand is why devices like Naim refuse to properly pause.
> I saw that the BubbleUPnP developers have similar issues. I think this
> is because some players consider that, unless the total size of file to
> be expected is sent first, they are facing a live stream that cannot be
> paused (and this is a wrong interpretation of some HTTP parameters). 
> 
> I've tried different variations of UPnP parameters that clearly tell the
> player that it *can* pause what he receives, but some seem to ignore
> it.
> 
> Have you tried to play radio paradise directly from the Naim interface ?
> Does it work when you pause it ? if it does, a log of the stream would
> immediately give me the secret key of what it misses with what I send.
> But such log requires using tools like wireshark and that can be a bit
> painful
> 
> NB: Are you sure the mute does a pause ? doesn't is simply set volume to
> 0, but in fact the track continues while muted ?

Hi Philippe. I'm just trying to report back on the changes in usability
since dev 3 was introduced, all being well up to that point.  If the 'no
metadata option' is enabled
then the usability is as per previous versions so if you could introduce
the option to disable the use of icy in-stream metadata that would be a
great help, certainly to me!!

The 'mute' button on the remote does pause digital streams on the
player. Of course for analogue sources it just set's the volume to 0
whilst play continues.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Playlist

2015-10-20 Thread d6jg

See current thread in this forum
Middle of Page 3 is the download  link but read onward 
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104307-Option-Add-to-playlist/page4



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*Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 ->
Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7
*Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755
-> Wharfedale Modus Cubes
*Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio)
*Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones
*Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 ->
Wharfedale Modus Cubes

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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Playlist

2015-10-20 Thread karamellmann

Hello

Is there a plugin, or a way, to just add songs to an existing playlist.
As far I can see, you can just save the playlist you are plaing at the
moment. I want to, when I hear a song, just to click and add it to an
already made list. Like spotify.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: UPnPBridge = integrate UPnP/DLNA players with LMS (squeeze2upnp)

2015-10-20 Thread PaulinPosset

philippe_44 wrote: 
> That's surprising and you said that in the case of an LMS feed, mute
> does a real 'pause' ... Weird.
> 
> I will put an option to disable icy metadata but I spent a long time
> yesterday to re-read the DLNA spec and there might be an option I've not
> used yet

Much appreciated and yes the Uniti does pause on mute in uPnP mode. :D



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Beta version of SvrPowerControl

2015-10-20 Thread gharris999

jepege wrote: 
> I have this plugin for a long time and today I wanted to test the new
> version of Vortexbox 2.4 BETA. It is based on fedora 23 with perl 5.22.
> I noticed that this plugin (v20120427.163654) cannot be loaded and gives
> an error on Util.pm line 69. 
> After replacing
> IF (!DEFINED( @_) || ! @_ ) {[/B] 
> BY
> [B]IF (!@_) {
> the plugin loads and seems to work again.
> Will test some more.
Thanks for the heads up.  I'll test this on Fedora 23 when it's released
in a week on the 27th.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: UPnPBridge = integrate UPnP/DLNA players with LMS (squeeze2upnp)

2015-10-20 Thread philippe_44

PaulinPosset wrote: 
> 
> 
> The 'mute' button on the remote does pause digital streams on the
> player. Of course for analogue sources it just set's the volume to 0
> whilst play continues.

That's surprising and you said that in the case of an LMS feed, mute
does a real 'pause' ... Weird.

I will put an option to disable icy metadata but I spent a long time
yesterday to re-read the DLNA spec and there might be an option I've not
used yet



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Beta version of SvrPowerControl

2015-10-20 Thread jepege

I have this plugin for a long time and today I wanted to test the new
version of Vortexbox 2.4 BETA. It is based on fedora 23 with perl 5.22.
I noticed that this plugin (v20120427.163654) cannot be loaded and gives
an error on Util.pm line 69. 
After replacing
IF (!DEFINED( @_) || ! @_ ) {[/B] 
BY
[B]IF (!@_) {
the plugin loads and seems to work again.
Will test some more.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Beta version of SvrPowerControl

2015-10-20 Thread gharris999

Heh.  In my personal copy of SrvrPowerCtrl, I commented out the entire
IsNull sub sometime ago.

Apparently, I need to find a new home for SrvrPowerCtrl's repo (now that
Google Code is gone) and post my working version.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Beta version of SvrPowerControl

2015-10-20 Thread gharris999

OK, you can get my working version of SrvrPowerCtrl by:

cd to the LMS Plugins directory

Remove the old version of SrvrPowerCtrl:

# rm -Rf ./SrvrPowerCtrl

Clone the repo:

# git clone https://github.com/gharris999/SrvrPowerCtrl.git

I'll have to do some more work to create a zip that's install-able via
the LMS plugin installer.  Not too sure when I'll be able to get to
that, unfortunately.  I'm in home renovation hell at the moment and
we're expecting early snows here in the mountains this year so I've got
other priorities!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Qobuz.com streaming plugin

2015-10-20 Thread philippe_44

Sorry if these question has been debated a lot, I' m not in front of a
computer that let me easily do search: why is re-positioning locked in
Qobuz ? I know this is attribute (seekable) of a protocolhandler, but
the new Qobuz API (still) does not allow that ?

I'm asking b/c some UPnP players when they pause, resume by seeking from
the start ... so that does not work very well obviously

Thank you



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: UPnPBridge = integrate UPnP/DLNA players with LMS (squeeze2upnp)

2015-10-20 Thread philippe_44

PaulinPosset wrote: 
> Much appreciated and yes the Uniti does pause on mute in uPnP mode. :D

So, a better reading to the spec and tests with my player tells me that
they are 3+2 ways of pausing a player and the server says which ones it
supports

1- client suspends the TCP connection till resume ==> the most
efficient, probably not supported by Uniti 
2- client closes the TCP connection and on resume, it asks server to
skip N bytes ==> no supported by Uniti (probably)
3- client closes the TCP connection and on resume, it asks server to
skip N ms ==> maybe, but was not activated

modes 4 and 5 are similar to 2 and 3 but add the concept of a time
sliding window on the server that defines bytes n°0 or T 0s ...

On top of that, I activated mode 2 and 4 but they are exclusive and I
did a mistake in my header definition ... so we finally might have the
answer to that strange problem



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