Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
rbl wrote: > FYI, and for anyone else reading this thread, it works even better with > a 2 minute delay. With the 1 minute delay it would break up a couple of > times over the first few minutes of listening and then played reliably. > With a 2 minute delay I don't get any break up. It starts quickly and > plays reliably. The "best" delay varies on the system setup - so my advice is to go large as a larger buffer of data will always work better. I named the setting badly and it gives the impression that you'll have an X minute delay compared to the live stream which is somehow perceived as "bad". This problem shows up more often with W10 than W7 and W8 - so there is an issue with socketwrapper (transcoding support exe) and Windows but as I don't use Windows much, I'm sticking with W7 . bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
FYI, and for anyone else reading this thread, it works even better with a 2 minute delay. With the 1 minute delay it would break up a couple of times over the first few minutes of listening and then played reliably. With a 2 minute delay I don't get any break up. It starts quickly and plays reliably. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
rbl wrote: > That helped a lot! Thank you! > > I find, as you mentioned, that the "Seconds to delay start live stream" > has to be set to 1 minute, otherwise it takes forever to start the > stream and then breaks up a lot. If set to 1 minute the stream starts > after about 3 seconds, occasionally breaks up once or twice in the first > few minutes, and then settles down to be a reliable stream. > > The scroll rate of the text seems to follow its own rule, rather than > the scroll settings in Player->Display, but that is a minor niggle. The "delay" setting basically goes back in time to fetch a lot more data to get ahead of the buffering (not sure the exact issue but is transcoding mainly in W10 - no problem with 15 secs setting with squeezelite or Touch) - once playing the time lag between BBC web browser live HTML5 player and plugin live is small. A long time ago player scrolling used to be done by software in LMS - I think it moved to firmware to reduce load on mysqeezebox.com . Plugin has no real control on display - it just tells LMS - this line of text is top/middle/bottom line (or metadata Title , Artist, Album etc) - and LMS does what it likes with it. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
bpa wrote: > HLS is 1st preference and 1.4* and1.5.* are all about playing DASH and > playing setting only apply to DASH. HLS code has not changed from 1.3 > > > Change the Live and on Demand to > > DASH > HLS > MP3 > FlashAAC. That helped a lot! Thank you! I find, as you mentioned, that the "Seconds to delay start live stream" has to be set to 1 minute, otherwise it takes forever to start the stream and then breaks up a lot. If set to 1 minute the stream starts after about 3 seconds, occasionally breaks up once or twice in the first few minutes, and then settles down to be a reliable stream. The scroll rate of the text seems to follow its own rule, rather than the scroll settings in Player->Display, but that is a minor niggle. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
rbl wrote: > Here are all the iPlayer settings .. > 22373 HLS is 1st preference and 1.4* and1.5.* are all about playing DASH and playing setting only apply to DASH. HLS code has not changed from 1.3 Change the Live and on Demand to DASH > HLS > MP3 > FlashAAC. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
bpa wrote: > Strange - the settings worked for other W10 users. > > What formats preferences have for Live set ? The delay settings only > work for DASH. Here are all the iPlayer settings .. 22373 +---+ |Filename: LMS settings.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22373| +---+ rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
rbl wrote: > Tried 1 minute and 2 minute and it doesn't seem to help. I guess I'll go > back to the HLS streams which seemed reliable. If you want me to send > you debug info, or try anything else then I am more than happy to help! Strange - the settings worked for other W10 users. What formats preferences have for Live set ? The delay settings only work for DASH. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
bpa wrote: > This has been seen before - there is something weird with windows and > transcoding. It happens with some low end system but also some high end > but not middling !!. I have tried repodiuing on my i5 SSD 16Gb but I > think it may also be somehting to so with UK bit rates. > > The problem seem to be high spec multicore system get ahead of the > stream and runs out of data. The workaround is to increase "delay to > start live stream" - try 1 min and see how it goes. Tried 1 minute and 2 minute and it doesn't seem to help. I guess I'll go back to the HLS streams which seemed reliable. If you want me to send you debug info, or try anything else then I am more than happy to help! rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
rbl wrote: > I have done this and the metadata is now there. Thank you for that. > > However the steams are not performing very well. With "Seconds to delay > start live stream" at 15s and "Buffer fullness threshold" at 255, each > stream takes nearly 30s to start, it breaks up a couple of times and > then settles down to work. The HLS streams start reliably in about 1 > second. > > Running an i5-7400 CPU8GB RAM, SSD. So performance of the PC should not > be an issue! This has been seen before - there is something weird with windows and transcoding. It happens with some low end system but also some high end but not middling !!. I have tried repodiuing on my i5 SSD 16Gb but I think it may also be somehting to so with UK bit rates. The problem seem to be high spec multicore system get ahead of the stream and runs out of data. The workaround is to increase "delay to start live stream" - try 1 min and see how it goes. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
bpa wrote: > For windows use the 1.5.* - I haven't had time to to do a proper release > of the 1.5.3 but this is the URL > > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/V153testrelease-repo.xml > > You can look at the the 1.5.2 thread regarding features such as rew of > live streams. > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?106409-BBCiPlayer-V1-5-2-beta-test I have done this and the metadata is now there. Thank you for that. However the steams are not performing very well. With "Seconds to delay start live stream" at 15s and "Buffer fullness threshold" at 255, each stream takes nearly 30s to start, it breaks up a couple of times and then settles down to work. The HLS streams start reliably in about 1 second. Running an i5-7400 CPU8GB RAM, SSD. So performance of the PC should not be an issue! rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
rbl wrote: > Windows 10 64bit (Home) For windows use the 1.5.* - I haven't had time to to do a proper release of the 1.5.3 but this is the URL http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/V153testrelease-repo.xml You can look at the the 1.5.2 thread regarding features such as rew of live streams. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?106409-BBCiPlayer-V1-5-2-beta-test bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
bpa wrote: > The easiest way to play HLS with program info is to use the updated > BBCiPlayer plugin. > > What OS are you using ? Windows 10 64bit (Home) rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
The easiest way to play HLS with program info is to use the updated BBCiPlayer plugin. What OS are you using ? bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
bpa wrote: > The plugin can provide the info using the options as I described for > many versions. > What version are you using ? I am using LMS 7.7.5. BBC iPlayer (v1.3.1alpha3). BBC iPlayer Extras (v1.8) PlayHLS (v1.1) I am using the HLS streams... I have just noticed at the top of the plug the following errors are shown. I have no idea if it is relevant... Bad repository http://bpaplugins.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/repo-short.xml - 404 Not Found Bad repository http://triodeplugins.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/testrepo.xml - 404 Not Found Bad repository http://bpaplugins.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/repo-playhls.xml - 404 Not Found rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
rbl wrote: > I am very sorry I think I am losing the plot. I wrote "on demand". I > meant live! E.g. if I am listening to Radio 4 live, it would be nice to > know if it is Desert Island Disks or the Today Program playing or > whatever... I rarely if ever use On Demand... The plugin can provide the info using the options as I described for many versions. What version are you using ? bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
bpa wrote: > There is no point saying another radio station has info so why not the > BBC. If you want info on possibilities you must give specific details > from the BBC iPlayer own web broswer based player playing HTML5. Time > is the problem - I don't have the time to look around to try to guess > what people are hinting at. > > I didn't know on demand program had more program segment info available > until 2 days ago when another SB user told me about an API which is in > being used by the get_iplayer application. BBC have mentioned in API > descriptions that program info is available in segments, chapters and > tracks but it looks like only segments are available. > > That said it needs more investigation - especially to determine if it > will die in May 2017 like many of the older BBC APIs. At the moment all > I can say there is some segment info available for some a small number > of programs on national BBC stations. I don't know if the segment info > is what you are looking for nor whether it is available for the > programd you listen to. > > If you have specifc example of additional info you know about - please > give the specific example and I'll check them out. I am very sorry I think I am losing the plot. I wrote "on demand". I meant live! E.g. if I am listening to Radio 4 live, it would be nice to know if it is Desert Island Disks or the Today Program playing or whatever... I rarely if ever use On Demand... rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
rbl wrote: > Yes, I mean On Demand. > Plenty of other radio stations provide this - is it possible to get it > with the iPlayer? There is no point saying another radio station has info so why not the BBC. If you want info on possibilities you must give specific details from the BBC iPlayer own web broswer based player playing HTML5. Time is the problem - I don't have the time to look around to try to guess what people are hinting at. I didn't know on demand program had more program segment info available until 2 days ago when another SB user told me about an API which is in being used by the get_iplayer application. BBC have mentioned in API descriptions that program info is available in segments, chapters and tracks but it looks like only segments are available. That said it needs more investigation - especially to determine if it will die in May 2017 like many of the older BBC APIs. At the moment all I can say there is some segment info available for some a small number of programs on national BBC stations. I don't know if the segment info is what you are looking for nor whether it is available for the programd you listen to. If you have specifc example of additional info you know about - please give the specific example and I'll check them out. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
bpa wrote: > Are you talking about Live or On-demand ? > > With live - by "Now playing" do you mean the program name, program > content or the track info ? > Program name etc. arer available by enabling the "show onAir text" > opytion - it is also worthwhile disabling the "always show station > icon" > BBC only save the last 11 tracks for some national station but they can > be from the previous day - track info are available through the "recent > tracks" menu. Yes, I mean On Demand. If I go to Plugins->BBC iPLayer the only option that seems relevant is "Show Live Text" which is enabled. There is also a "Live Text - SB Classic" which is set to Top Line. I am running 3 SB3s.. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
rbl wrote: > I am using the HLS streams with the iPLayer plugin (the usual streams > break up for some reason). The HLS streams work very well, but it would > be nice to get programme information in Now Playing. Plenty of other > radio stations provide this - is it possible to get it with the iPlayer? > > I am based in London, using LMS 7.7.5 on a Win 10 PC. Are you talking about Live or On-demand ? With live - by "Now playing" do you mean the program name, program content or the track info ? Program name etc. arer available by enabling the "show onAir text" opytion - it is also worthwhile disabling the "always show station icon" BBC only save the last 11 tracks for some national station but they can be from the previous day - track info are available through the "recent tracks" menu. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
