Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-08-04 Thread schlenn


I can conform the behaviour with "Baby Shark"
spotify:track:5ygDXis42ncn6kYG14lEVG

Playing directly from the LMS WebGUI. The song plays with 160 and 320
kbs while it fails with 96 kbs. Bitrate was changed in the Spotty
Settings.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-27 Thread Laz


mherger wrote: 
> >Would somebody please be kind enough to summarize 
> the findings wrt. small files?

Hi Michael,

Welcome back - glad you had a good break!

All of my digging was focused on SpotifyConnect - it turned out you
could see similar stuff in LMS Spotty by tweaking the bit rate in the
GUI. I've extracted the key bits I put together and the original links:

- I tested SpotifyConnect with the java-librespot client and a windows
version of librespot. A lot of the short track problems went away,
suggesting at least part of the problem is in LMS space. 

https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?111923-Announce-Spotty-4-0-integrate-local-library-with-your-Spotify-collection-(LMS-8-)=982323=1#post982323

- In the following post, I tested spotty from the command line, and was
able to play all of pink flag without trouble. 

https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?111923-Announce-Spotty-4-0-integrate-local-library-with-your-Spotify-collection-(LMS-8-)=982325=1#post982325

- Changing the bitratre in Daemon.pm - a hack that makes a lot of short
tracks work in spotify connect mode. This makes no sense at all but
sort-of-works.

https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?111923-Announce-Spotty-4-0-integrate-local-library-with-your-Spotify-collection-(LMS-8-)=982334=1#post982334

- From slartibartfasts suggestion a very short track problem that
appears in both spotty and the librespot windows client. This throws the
"Channel Error 2 0" referenced in
https://github.com/librespot-org/librespot/issues/510 (so at least a
related symptom to the above).

https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?111923-Announce-Spotty-4-0-integrate-local-library-with-your-Spotify-collection-(LMS-8-)=982339=1#post982339

Finally, thanks to digging into virtualisation stuff along the way, I
think I can now offer windows, linux and macos test platforms - if
needed and helpful, I can also probably run development platforms on
windows and linux.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-27 Thread slartibartfast


mherger wrote: 
> > As suspected playback fails in the Windows Spotify app as well. The
> > Windows app acts just like the Android app but both act slightly
> > differently to playing tracks within LMS. For example Arcade Fire -
> > Everything Now (continued) which is 46 seconds long plays within LMS
> at
> > 320kbps but does not play from the Android or Windows app via connect.
> 
> Oh, I was wondering: is this issue limited to Connect mode?
> 
> Android failing is an issue that has been addressed in librespot just a 
> few days ago. I guess it would help with the Windows version, too. But 
> I'll have to build new helper binaries.
> 
> > Michael I tried playing your short song playlist and that failed to
> play
> > as well.
> 
> Thanks for confirming.
> 
> -- 
> 
> MichaelIt isn't limited to connect mode. Playing within LMS is where you see
the difference between 96kbps and 320kbps. Tracks less than 25 seconds
fail at 320 and tracks less than 1 min 40 seconds fail at 96.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-27 Thread Michael Herger

As suspected playback fails in the Windows Spotify app as well. The
Windows app acts just like the Android app but both act slightly
differently to playing tracks within LMS. For example Arcade Fire -
Everything Now (continued) which is 46 seconds long plays within LMS at
320kbps but does not play from the Android or Windows app via connect.


Oh, I was wondering: is this issue limited to Connect mode?

Android failing is an issue that has been addressed in librespot just a 
few days ago. I guess it would help with the Windows version, too. But 
I'll have to build new helper binaries.



Michael I tried playing your short song playlist and that failed to play
as well.


Thanks for confirming.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-27 Thread slartibartfast


As suspected playback fails in the Windows Spotify app as well. The
Windows app acts just like the Android app but both act slightly
differently to playing tracks within LMS. For example Arcade Fire -
Everything Now (continued) which is 46 seconds long plays within LMS at
320kbps but does not play from the Android or Windows app via connect.
Michael I tried playing your short song playlist and that failed to play
as well.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-27 Thread slartibartfast


mherger wrote: 
> > So I've found the setting in Daemon.pm.  Changed to 320 there and now
> > Baby Shark plays.
> 
> Ok, I'm back from a relaxing vacation, and I'm overwhelmed by these 
> threads already :-). Would somebody please be kind enough to summarize 
> the findings wrt. small files? This is quite surprising as I've often 
> been testing with a playlist aptly called "short_tracks" 
> (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1GuW3E6NllSoQGURQvmP2R?si=zdH109gxSfmRJEuBZiNmIg).
> 
> Just saw https://github.com/librespot-org/librespot/issues/510 - anybody
> on here who reported this?
> 
> -- 
> 
> MichaelWelcome back Michael, sorry all these issues became apparent while you
were away [emoji3].This all started in the thread where @Laz  was having
problems playing tracks from "Pink Flag". It seems that tracks shorter
than around 25 seconds  fail at 320kbps while this increases to around
1:40 at 96kbps when played from within LMS. I remember playing the first
track on the Billy Eilish album which is 15 seconds a few months ago so
this is a relatively new issue. The issue you linked to on GitHub seems
to imply that playing from Windows worked correctly but I think that
fails as well. I will test again later.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-27 Thread Michael Herger

So I've found the setting in Daemon.pm.  Changed to 320 there and now
Baby Shark plays.


Ok, I'm back from a relaxing vacation, and I'm overwhelmed by these 
threads already :-). Would somebody please be kind enough to summarize 
the findings wrt. small files? This is quite surprising as I've often 
been testing with a playlist aptly called "short_tracks" 
(https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1GuW3E6NllSoQGURQvmP2R?si=zdH109gxSfmRJEuBZiNmIg).


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-26 Thread Laz


lookstoomuch wrote: 
> So I've found the setting in Daemon.pm.  Changed to 320 there and now
> Baby Shark plays.
> 
> The issue I found is when I tried to change the song, spotty wouldn't
> listen and crashed.

It's not a proper fix - it's a change that makes things better to a
variable degree, which seems to depend on the weather, network
connectivity and the mood spotify and LMS are in. Some days, I'll run
for hours without issues, others not so much. 

As slartibartfast says, we need to wait for Michael to return (and have
the spare time, and the enthusiasm to fix ...).



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-26 Thread slartibartfast


lookstoomuch wrote: 
> So I've found the setting in Daemon.pm.  Changed to 320 there and now
> Baby Shark plays.
> 
> The issue I found is when I tried to change the song, spotty wouldn't
> listen and crashed.
> 
> This is all being done controlling via the Spotify app.  
> 
> I really need to find a new song to test with.doo dooo do do do doI think 
> that is the same change that @Laz  made in another thread but
the buffer issue remains.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-26 Thread lookstoomuch


So I've found the setting in Daemon.pm.  Changed to 320 there and now
Baby Shark plays.

The issue I found is when I tried to change the song, spotty wouldn't
listen and crashed.

This is all being done controlling via the Spotify app.  

I really need to find a new song to test with.doo dooo do do do do



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-25 Thread slartibartfast


lookstoomuch wrote: 
> Yes I'd like to try making this same change, any tips on how to do it?I think 
> we will have to wait for Michael's input.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-25 Thread lookstoomuch


Laz wrote: 
> Ah - that's interesting. So my approach of editing Daemon.pm
> sort-of-works for the second case (short songs will play up to a point).
> It does sound like the root problem is the same in both cases, just that
> spotty/LMS handles track kickoff differently for the two cases (and
> hence two parameters).
> 
> On a related note, can any of you point to where the buffer size is
> specified - I haven't found it in the interface, so I'm guessing a prefs
> file?

Yes I'd like to try making this same change, any tips on how to do it?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-25 Thread dolodobendan


lookstoomuch wrote: 
> Where would I change this?

Not sure if it's even possible with hardware players. I think
squeezelite has a startup parameter to set the buffer size.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-24 Thread Laz


lookstoomuch wrote: 
> Same place.  The LMS interface plugin configuration section. 
> 
> If I initiate playing songs with spotty LMS web interface, the bitrate
> set in the spotty plugin configuration makes a difference
> 
> If I initiate playing songs from spotify app on my phone, changes to the
> bitrate set in the spotty plugin configuration make NO difference. 
> Crashing behaves as if it is 96kbps.

Ah - that's interesting. So my approach of editing Daemon.pm
sort-of-works for the second case (short songs will play up to a point).
It does sound like the root problem is the same in both cases, just that
spotty/LMS handles track kickoff differently for the two cases (and
hence two parameters).

On a related note, can any of you point to where the buffer size is
specified - I haven't found it in the interface, so I'm guessing a prefs
file?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-24 Thread Laz


lookstoomuch wrote: 
> Same place.  The LMS interface plugin configuration section. 
> 
> If I initiate playing songs with spotty LMS web interface, the bitrate
> set in the spotty plugin configuration makes a difference
> 
> If I initiate playing songs from spotify app on my phone, changes to the
> bitrate set in the spotty plugin configuration make NO difference. 
> Crashing behaves as if it is 96kbps.

Ah - that's interesting. So my approach of editing Daemon.pm
sort-of-works for the second case (short songs will play up to a point).
It does sound like the root problem is the same in both cases, just that
spotty/LMS handles track kickoff differently for the two cases (and
hence two parameters).

On a related note, can any of you point to where the buffer size is
specified - I haven't found it in the interface, so I'm guessing a prefs
file?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-24 Thread slartibartfast


lookstoomuch wrote: 
> Same place.  The LMS interface plugin configuration section. 
> 
> If I initiate playing songs with spotty LMS web interface, the bitrate
> set in the spotty plugin configuration makes a difference
> 
> If I initiate playing songs from spotify app on my phone, changes to the
> bitrate set in the spotty plugin configuration make NO difference. 
> Crashing behaves as if it is 96kbps.Got it. Having two ways to initiate 
> playback confuses things [emoji3]

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-24 Thread lookstoomuch


slartibartfast wrote: 
> But you just said changing the quality in the LMS web interface to
> 96kbps caused Baby Shark to fail whereas 320kbps played correctly. You
> weren't getting that result the last time you changed the quality. Where
> were you changing the quality when it made no difference?
> 
> Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk

Same place.  The LMS interface plugin configuration section. 

If I initiate playing songs with spotty LMS web interface, the bitrate
set in the spotty plugin configuration makes a difference

If I initiate playing songs from spotify app on my phone, changes to the
bitrate set in the spotty plugin configuration make NO difference. 
Crashing behaves as if it is 96kbps.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-24 Thread lookstoomuch


dolodobendan wrote: 
> Just guessing here, but maybe it only starts playing if whatever is
> being played fills the buffer. At 96kbps it might not. If possible, try
> setting the buffer to 1/3 to test this.

Quick math says that @ 96 kbps the 1:25 song length (middle point
between songs that work and songs that don't) would be about 1MB.   Not
sure if this 1MB is any magic number in relation to a buffer size.

As I am still finding my way around the spotty infrastructure.  Where
would I change this?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-24 Thread slartibartfast


dolodobendan wrote: 
> Not necessarily. If there were a check if the whole file fits in the
> buffer, playback could be started despite the buffer not being full. IF
> that is the problem.Agreed. The strange thing is these files used to play a 
> short time ago.
I remember listening to the Billy Eilish album round about the time of
the Brit Awards and the 15 second first track played then.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-24 Thread dolodobendan


slartibartfast wrote: 
> If that is the case there is always going to be a minimum track length
> however small that may be.

Not necessarily. If there were a check if the whole file fits in the
buffer, playback could be started despite the buffer not being full. IF
that is the problem.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-24 Thread slartibartfast


dolodobendan wrote: 
> Just guessing here, but maybe it only starts playing if whatever is
> being played fills the buffer. At 96kbps it might not. If possible, try
> setting the buffer to 1/3 to test this.I did speculate that the downloaded 
> file size seemed to be important in
another thread which ties in with your theory. If that is the case there
is always going to be a minimum track length however small that may be.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-24 Thread slartibartfast


lookstoomuch wrote: 
> No I was using the LMS web interface to change the quality.  
> 
> If I use the spotify app to play songs, it does not matter the quality I
> put in the web interface it behaves like the 96 KBPS rate.But you just said 
> changing the quality in the LMS web interface to
96kbps caused Baby Shark to fail whereas 320kbps played correctly. You
weren't getting that result the last time you changed the quality. Where
were you changing the quality when it made no difference?

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-24 Thread dolodobendan


lookstoomuch wrote: 
> Updateif I change the quality settings and initiate play from the
> LMS web interface, Baby Shark does not play @ 96KBPS while it DOES play
> @320KBPS.
> 
> From Spotify app it does not matter what quality setting I configure
> spotty with on the back end.

Just guessing here, but maybe it only starts playing if whatever is
being played fills the buffer. At 96kbps it might not. If possible, try
setting the buffer to 1/3 to test this.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-24 Thread lookstoomuch


slartibartfast wrote: 
> Ah good, same as me then, were you changing quality in the Spotify app
> before?
> 
> Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk

No I was using the LMS web interface to change the quality.  

If I use the spotify app to play songs, it does not matter the quality I
put in the web interface it behaves like the 96 KBPS rate.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-24 Thread slartibartfast


lookstoomuch wrote: 
> Updateif I change the quality settings and initiate play from the
> LMS web interface, Baby Shark does not play @ 96KBPS while it DOES play
> @320KBPS.
> 
> From Spotify app it does not matter what quality setting I configure
> spotty with on the back end.Ah good, same as me then, were you changing 
> quality in the Spotify app
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-24 Thread lookstoomuch


Updateif I change the quality settings and initiate play from the
LMS web interface, Baby Shark does not play @ 96KBPS while it DOES play
@320KBPS.

>From Spotify app it does not matter what quality setting I configure
spotty with on the back end.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-24 Thread slartibartfast


Laz wrote: 
> I think slartibartfast may be talking about changing the default bitrate
> in Daemon.pm rather than in the GUI, which is the hack that changes the
> track length for spotty crashes (quite a few pages back in the other
> thread).No I have never changed Daemon.pm. I was changing the stream quality 
> in
Spotty settings.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-23 Thread slartibartfast


lookstoomuch wrote: 
> Just tested, it does not seem to matter.  The same songs play (or not)
> whether it's low or high bit rate.Weird. If I change to 96kbps Baby Shark 
> doesn't play but it does at
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-23 Thread lookstoomuch


slartibartfast wrote: 
> When you play the tracks you will see the selected bitrate on the now
> playing screen. The 96kbps you are seeing is something to do with the
> helper app and not streaming quality.
> 
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Just tested, it does not seem to matter.  The same songs play (or not)
whether it's low or high bit rate.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-23 Thread Laz


lookstoomuch wrote: 
> Just tested, it does not seem to matter.  The same songs play (or not)
> whether it's low or high bit rate.

I think slartibartfast may be talking about changing the default bitrate
in Daemon.pm rather than in the GUI, which is the hack that changes the
track length for spotty crashes (quite a few pages back in the other
thread).



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-23 Thread slartibartfast


lookstoomuch wrote: 
> I may be wrong, are the bitrate setttings in the LMS GUI reliable? 
> Seems the start command is at 96 no matter what I put in the GUI. 
> 
> /usr/local/slimserver/Cache/spotty/fbfb69f4 -n piPlayerBasement
> --disable-audio-cache --bitrate 96
> 
> I am doing a bit of this while working so...chance I made a mistake
> here.When you play the tracks you will see the selected bitrate on the now
playing screen. The 96kbps you are seeing is something to do with the
helper app and not streaming quality.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-23 Thread lookstoomuch


slartibartfast wrote: 
> OK it is strange that your threshold is different but it seems to be the
> same issue. If you change the Spotify quality to 96kbps do the tracks
> that currently play stop playing?
> 
> Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk

I may be wrong, are the bitrate setttings in the LMS GUI reliable? 
Seems the start command is at 96 no matter what I put in the GUI. 

/usr/local/slimserver/Cache/spotty/fbfb69f4 -n piPlayerBasement
--disable-audio-cache --bitrate 96

I am doing a bit of this while working so...chance I made a mistake
here.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-23 Thread slartibartfast


lookstoomuch wrote: 
> LoL.I did a sampling through many tracks on this wonderful album. 
> Results:
> 
> Baby Shark1:20  Crashes
> Animals Sound Fun 1:14  Crashes
> Jungle Boogie 1:40  Plays
> Penguian Dance1:49  Plays
> My Pet My buddy   1:30  Plays
> Under The Sea 1:22  Crashes
> The Lion   :59  Crashes
> Will You Mary Me  1:11  Crashes
> Night Animals 1:34  Plays
> Baby Animals  1:12  Crashes
> Hide N Seek  1:15  Crashes
> Peek-a-Zoo1:29  Plays
> Animal action 1:18  Crashes
> Hibernation Song  1:30  Plays
> 
> Seems my setup is crashing on tracks somewhere around the 1:25 mark as a
> 1:22 track would not play and a 1:29 track would. It was consistent in
> behavior with the songs and which it would play vs. not.
> 
> As a bit of change to when I started this thread, I'm now running LMS on
> a Pi as I had given up on the Windows version, although will likely spin
> it back up as I now know more.OK it is strange that your threshold is 
> different but it seems to be the
same issue. If you change the Spotify quality to 96kbps do the tracks
that currently play stop playing?

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-23 Thread lookstoomuch


slartibartfast wrote: 
> Baby Shark plays for me (unfortunately) at 320kbps. Are you saying it
> doesn't play for you?
> 
> Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk

LoL.I did a sampling through many tracks on this wonderful album. 
Results:

Baby Shark1:20  Crashes
Animals Sound Fun 1:14  Crashes
Jungle Boogie 1:40  Plays
Penguian Dance1:49  Plays
My Pet My buddy   1:30  Plays
Under The Sea 1:22  Crashes
The Lion   :59  Crashes
Will You Mary Me  1:11  Crashes
Night Animals 1:34  Plays
Baby Animals  1:12  Crashes
Hide N Seek   1:15  Crashes
Peek-a-Zoo1:29  Plays
Animal action 1:18  Crashes
Hibernation Song  1:30  Plays

Seems my setup is crashing on tracks somewhere around the 1:25 mark as a
1:22 track would not play and a 1:29 track would. It was consistent in
behavior with the songs and which it would play vs. not.

As a bit of change to when I started this thread, I'm now running LMS on
a Pi as I had given up on the Windows version, although will likely spin
it back up as I now know more.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-23 Thread slartibartfast


lookstoomuch wrote: 
> 320kbpsBaby Shark plays for me (unfortunately) at 320kbps. Are you saying it
doesn't play for you?

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-23 Thread lookstoomuch


slartibartfast wrote: 
> Which quality setting have you chosen for Spotty? I found at 320kbps
> tracks less than around 25 seconds failed to play while at 96kbps that
> limit increased to around 1 minute 40 seconds.
> 
> Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk

320kbps



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-23 Thread slartibartfast


lookstoomuch wrote: 
> Ah OK I think you are correct.   Funny...I have been recreating this
> issue by playing songs by Pinkfong, i.e. Baby Shark.  I concluded it was
> due to bouncing between playlists and now I see all the Pinkfong songs
> are around 1min 30 secs.  
> 
> And talk about annoying having to hear these songs over and over from my
> phone when the spotty crashesWhich quality setting have you chosen for 
> Spotty? I found at 320kbps
tracks less than around 25 seconds failed to play while at 96kbps that
limit increased to around 1 minute 40 seconds.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-23 Thread lookstoomuch


Ah OK I think you are correct.   Funny...I have been recreating this
issue by playing songs by Pinkfong, i.e. Baby Shark.  I concluded it was
due to bouncing between playlists and now I see all the Pinkfong songs
are around 1min 30 secs.  

And talk about annoying having to hear these songs over and over from my
phone when the spotty crashes



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-22 Thread Laz


Looks like you are joining the short track brigade. 

See the last couple of pages of
https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?111923-Announce-Spotty-4-0-integrate-local-library-with-your-Spotify-collection-(LMS-8-)



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-22 Thread lookstoomuch


Guess I was a bit too optimistic.  Still crashing.  

Seems to happen more when I jump to different playlists vs. clicking
around in the same playlist.  

Anyone, any ideas?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Spotty Crashing - Help

2020-07-21 Thread lookstoomuch


Pretty sure I have resolved the problem.   Did 2 things:


- Gave application level firewall Allow rule to
  
C:\ProgramData\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins\Plugins\Spotty\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\spotty.exe
  
- Disabled IPv6 on all adapters
  

Pretty sure it was the firewall.  Spotify app on the phone responds much
quicker and I've been able to bounce around songs like crazy with no
crash thus far.  Super happy, can't believe it took this long.

Not sure if there's a Sticky on Spotty but would be useful to add this.



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