Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-14 Thread whitman

I've been using my SB3 with the shiny new AACplus streams for a few days
now, and I notice that when a station (such as Paradise) has the
facility to provide a readout on the SB of what's playing (after you
press Now Playing), it takes quite a while for the Now Playing readout
to change to match the actual playing track. In other words, there's a
delay between the song changing and the readout changing. Is there
anything I can do at my end to fix the delay? It wasn't like this when
I was using 6.5.x - in fact it was a more or less instant change.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-14 Thread bpa

It's a known problem due to fact that SC doesn't know SB is playing a
Flac stream - SC thinks it is a slow AACplus (e.g. 128 or 48k bit)
streams as guesses the amount of music time in the SB buffer wheras
SB has a 1500kbps Flac stream and has about 10 or 20 times less music
time buffered.  Problem is much worse with slow streams.

AACplus hooks into SC in an unapproved way to enable the radio text
to be displayed - if I used the Normal transcodiong like Alien -
there would be no text at all.  The method also meant a full blown
Plugin did not have to be developed. I do not want to maintain another
plugin.

I might be able to do something in 7.3 as there have been changes which
look promising.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-14 Thread whitman

Understood. What does 7.3 have in store?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-14 Thread bpa

Lots of things see announcement but there was a rewrite of the streaming
(incl. transcoding) module which improves the sync capabilities.  I
think the rewrite can enable me to tell SC that that trnascoding to
Flac is being used and so

A beta feature is enabling SB controller to be a SB player and so user
can use SC/listen through earbuds on a portable SB.

The other feature (which will be better in 7.3.1) is Extensions
Download - basically automated Plugin installation - no more downloads,
unzips and wondering where to save.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-14 Thread whitman

I see. 

It sounds like SC is trying to get to where it really needs to be: a
place where users can install things easily without pulling out too
much hair in the process. Assuming one has any hair left in the first
place. 

Seriously: this sounds like a good development.

I'm still enmeshed in the pain of very recent upgrading to 7.2.x from
6.5.x, but I can't help myself to ask: is it a good time to step up to
7.3? Or maybe I ought to wait a bit. I do value my sanity (again, that
is, assuming I have any left anyway).


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-14 Thread bpa

The automated installer will be very good as it should simplify
installs, make sure correct versions are installed and notify when
updates are available.  However it will still depend on the extension
author to create the right package and since this is a new facility - I
expect some teething problem with initial implementation

For people who want least amount of stress 
- do complete system backups often.
- Use a mainstream platform - not a minority one.
- Do not install unnecessary s/w (i.e. no trials, demos etc) or
addons.
- don't tweak the system for any reason (e.g. not for faster download
or uses less memory or more responsive)
- never upgrade unless you really have to (i.e. the upgrade has a
definite bug fix - not it might fix it)
- never install a .0 - so in this case wait for 7.3.1
- if you must upgrade, allow some time (a few weeks) between release
and actually upgrading.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-14 Thread whitman

Very good advice, bpa, for which many thanks. I shall pin up your list
somewhere very visible.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-12 Thread bpa

No change it to 

maxVersion7.2.*/maxVersion


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-12 Thread bpa

I'm a firm believer that AACplus gives a better sound than MP3 -
although initially I thought it would only give similar sound at a
lower bitrate as ISPs in Ireland have a low download threshold before
surcharges kickin.

This site http://www.tuner2.com/ has a lot of AACplus stations listed.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-12 Thread whitman

Bpa, that worked a treat, and now I have excellent quality aacplus
streams on my SB3. I'm very grateful for your patience with my
fumblings and for your calm, methodical approach. Have you considered
international diplomacy?

For anyone wondering what my fussing was about, I suggest you give a
couple of aacplus streams a go: these chosen for good music (Paradise
always; JazzFM sometimes) as well as the boost that the quality of
these streams provide ...

Radio Paradise
http://www.radioparadise.com/musiclinks/rp_128aac-2.m3u

Jazz FM
http://stream.jazzfm.com:8000/

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-12 Thread whitman

I agree, and for once it's quite easy to do a reasonably rapid A/B test
by having an MP3 stream and an AACplus stream on the Favourites and
rapidly switch between. No contest, to my ears.

Thanks for the tuner2 tip, too.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-11 Thread whitman

Hello bpa. Does the info in that last message help at all?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-11 Thread bpa

I've been tied up trying to get AlienBBC updated after recent BBC web
change.

It all looks OK and should work so I tried to think what else could be
wrong but nothing immediately comes to mind.  There may be an OSX
Gotcha regarding so many Plugin directories but I wouldn't know them.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-11 Thread whitman

Apologies, bpa, for dragging you away from Alien work.

Could there be a prob with mplayer? In other words, my assumption is
that your aacplus 'plugin' tells an aacplus stream to look for mplayer,
and mplayer 'plays' it. So is there a way to test if mplayer is working
OK?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-11 Thread bpa

I repeat - the problem has nothing to do with mplayer.

SC cannot look into aacpmplayer.sh and see what the script does - SC
only knows about aacpmplayer.sh  SC has marked the AACp filetype
disabled without even running aacplmaplayer.sh - SC from inspection has
decided it cannot run aacmplayer.sh therefore it wont allow anybody to
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-11 Thread whitman

Sorry I'm being dim here.

Is there another way to get aacplus feeds into SC without your
'plugin', perhaps? I seem to remember when I got it going in 6.5.x I
had to change some config files or similar.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-11 Thread bpa

Yes - I think editing the various conf files similar to 6.5 should
work.


Thinking about your problem - can you check if there are any other
convert.conf, custom-convert.conmf, types.conf and custom-types.conf 
files with any aacpplus mods that SC could be finding andgetting
confused ? 

Also check whether the name of your executable aacpmplayer.sh file has
no hidden characters or spaces.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-11 Thread whitman

Hello bpa.

bpa;368904 Wrote: 
 Yes - I think editing the various conf files similar to 6.5 should
 work.
 
 Thinking about your problem - can you check if there are any other
 convert.conf, custom-convert.conmf, types.conf and custom-types.conf 
 files with any aacpplus mods that SC could be finding andgetting
 confused ?
 
 Also check whether the name of your executable aacpmplayer.sh file has
 no hidden characters or spaces.

Your 1st point: which actual files do I need to edit, and what new
material do they need? Would I then dump the AACplus plugin folder?

Your 2nd point: sorry, I'm a bit confused by that. Where might these
be? 

Your 3rd point: do you mean the name of the file? If so, it's clean.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-11 Thread bpa

Are there any error messages associated with AACplus plugin in the
Settings/Plugin page ?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-11 Thread whitman

Ah ha. I hadn't noticed this. It says ...

Plugin is incompatible with this version of SqueezeCenter. Please
update.

Now what?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-11 Thread bpa

Edit the install.xml file.  
There is a field called MaxVersion - change it to 7.2.*.
Restart SC


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-11 Thread whitman

At present the line in question reads...

maxVersion7.0+/maxVersion

So do I change it to...

maxVersion7.2.1+/maxVersion


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-10 Thread whitman

Hello again bpa. 

(Please see my last message too.)

I assume that now we know the aacpmplayer.sh file is OK and executing,
the problem may lie with mplayer. Is there an easy way I can check if
mplayer is doing what it ought to do?

As I said earlier, the AACplus file types are shown in Advanced/File
Types, but greyed out.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-10 Thread bpa

As I said above - if the entry is greyed out then aacpmplayer.sh has not
been executed - SC doesn't know or care about mplayer at this point. 

* SC thinks aacplmplayer.sh is not executable
* aacpmplayer.sh is executbale but not in a directory that SC has
checked.

- if you do a ls -l  on the aacpmplayer.sh file and if the executable
permission is not showing then SC will think it cannot be executed.

- what is the full directory path of aacpmplayer.sh file ?
- what is the plugins directory path as shown by SC on the
Setting/Status web page ?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-10 Thread whitman

Thanks bpa.

Doing a 'ls -l' gives 

-rwxrwxrwx

which looks as if it's executable.

The full path to it is...

/Users/Tony/Library/Application\
Support/SqueezeCenter/Plugins/AACplus/Bin/aacpmplayer.sh

For 'Plugin Folders' on Settings/Status page I have...

/Users/Tony/Library/PreferencePanes/SqueezeCenter.prefPane/Contents/server/Slim/Plugin,
/Users/Tony/Library/Application Support/SqueezeCenter/Plugins,
/Library/Application Support/SqueezeCenter/Plugins,
/Users/Tony/Library/PreferencePanes/SqueezeCenter.prefPane/Contents/server/Plugins

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-09 Thread whitman

Just had a glance at my Settings/Advanced/File Types, and AACplus is
listed there, but the decoder options are greyed-out. Not sure if that
tells us any more about what's not right.

Are there really no Mac users on this forum who have installed bpa's
AACplus 'plugin' and got it working?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-09 Thread bpa

Grey out means SC cannot find the executable that is specified in the
custom-convert.conf file (i.e. aacpmplayer.sh). Either the files does
not exist in the place SC expects or the file is not executable.

Making a shell script executable is not AACplus specific.  The shell
script is just a variation of the AlienBBC one.  So help from ANY mac
user would be useful.  This is a general OSX issue.

In the mean time - the actual name of the file doesn't matter as long
you can put the same name in the custom-convert.conf file.  However I
think if there are spaces in the name - it will cause problems.  

So if you can get the script files executable under any name - then use
that name in custom-convert.conf and restart SC.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-09 Thread whitman

Understood bpa. Do you think it's worth me starting a new thread to try
to attract a helpful OSX user? I might try an OSX forum elsewhere on
the net too.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-09 Thread bpa

I think try an OSX specific forum to get an explanation/understanding
about why odd behaviour making the script executable.  

From AlienBBC experience I think there are only a few OSX users who
would reply but they are not online all the time.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-09 Thread whitman

Good, yes I'll try an OSX forum and report back. But, of course, in the
meantime if anyone OSX-inclined should be reading this and can offer
advice ...


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-09 Thread whitman

Hello bpa, I checked on  a couple of OSX/Unix forums, and they say,
after some investigation, that it doesn't matter what the Finder says
of my file. As long as the file-modes say it is executable, then it is.
And they do say it is - so it is. Which I suppose means the problem lies
elsewhere. Any ideas for the next move?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-08 Thread whitman

Ah yes. Anyway, I tried downloading the 'plugin' at that link, but all I
get is a file called AACplusLinux.tar.gz.html, which is surely not what
I want. Doesn't do anything, anyway. Is there another way to get this?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-08 Thread bpa

In the post below I created a plug-in to simplify the AACPlus 
installation. It used to work for OSX but there have been changes to
mplayer distribution which may mean the file Bin/aacplayer.sh needs to
be tweaked.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-08 Thread bpa

It's a standard attachment so it's your browser that's messing it up. 
Just click on the file and it should offer to download.

Check whether your browser has given the wrong name but the file
contents are correct - rename the file to get rid of the .html and
then see if you can untar the file.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-08 Thread whitman

(Thanks: for some reason that was a Safari wobble. Downloaded fine in
Firefox.)

I now have the aacpmplayer.sh file, but it's a plain text file. I've
tried to make it executable in Terminal with a Unix chmod command but
it doesn't respond. 

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-08 Thread bpa

The ownership of the file may be preventing you from changing the
permissions.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-08 Thread whitman

Ownership seems OK. Very odd behaviour. If I make a duplicate
('aacpmplayer.sh copy') it says it's a Unix executable file. If I
delete the 'copy' bit, it's back to a plain text file. If I leave a
space after sh, it stays executable. But I'm not convinced it is.

Perhaps I should take a step or two back and give a quick bit of
background. I just upgraded from SS 6.5.1 to SC 7.2.1. I am not running
Alien BBC as I'm using the BBC iPlayer plugin instead. That seems fine.
Some radio stations - from my point of view particularly Paradise and
JazzFM - have AACplus streams available, which I think are higher
quality than the top MP3 streams. In order to run AACplus streams on my
SB3, I've presumed I just need mplayer and this aacpm 'plugin'. But now
these probs. Maybe I should be content with MP3.

I'd be grateful for some help.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-08 Thread bpa

The trouble with OSX is that there are so few users around who can offer
help. I don't have OSX so all I can do is make general suggestions.

1. Are you sure you are trying to rename the file in the unpacked
directory and not within the .tar.gz file ?

2.
a. Create a empty file from scratch and make it executable.  
b. Then edit it again and copy the contents of the aacpmplayer.sh.
c. if the new file is executable then edit custom-convert.conf and
change the contents such that the text aacmplayer.sh is changed to
the name of your new file.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-08 Thread whitman

1. Yes, I'm sure.
2. Created an empty file in Terminal with the touch command. This makes
yet another plain text file. Tried to make it executable with the chmod
a+x command, and it stays as a plain text file. What am I doing wrong?
Or is there a peculiar OSX thing I'm not doing right? I'm stumped
again.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-07 Thread whitman

I meant AAC Plus, by the way.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-07 Thread bpa

Normally mplayer would be save in /usr/local/bin assuming /usr/local/bin
is on the path.  However where mplayer should be for AACplus decoding
depends on your convert.conf settings for AACplus.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] aac streams on SC 7.2: where does mplayer go on a mac?

2008-12-07 Thread whitman

Thanks bpa. 

My hard drive's top level does indeed lead to /usr/local/bin with an
mplayer file inside. But that might be a remnant from the old setup.

How do I check convert.conf settings? This is sounding familiar - I
think I had to do something to these for my previous 6.5.1 setup to get
AAC Plus running. But I can't remember. Could you remind me what to do?
I'd be grateful.


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