Re: Peaceful Dissent and Government Witch Hunts
Makes me want the entire list so I can sign up for very one of them.. On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 6:06 AM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Peaceful Dissent and Government Witch Hunts By Anthony Gregory As most readers of this are probably aware, the Campaign for Liberty has been singled out, along with a few other political groups, in a leaked Missouri state government report, The Modern Militia Movement. The document tells state officials to be on the lookout for violent extremists while conflating them with pretty much anyone who criticizes the government. Perhaps most troubling, the information apparently comes from the Department of Homeland Security, meaning that similar documents could be circulating in states other than Missouri. The brush with which this report paints critics of the federal government is so absurdly broad that it should not have to be taken seriously. The report lumps together violent white supremacists with the diverse and broad coalition behind Ron Paul, a man who has called racism simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans only as members of groups and never as individuals. People who favor peace and cooperation among nations are thrown together with belligerent nationalists. Militants who saw George W. Bush as their savior and loved the war on terror are associated with those of us who saw Bush's reign as a long period of attacks on social peace, international harmony and freedom. We who criticize the Federal Reserve, fiat money, and inflation -- many of whom were inspired by great Jewish economists like Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard -- are conflated with peddlers of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. Promoters of social harmony and cooperation are branded as antisocial promoters of conflict. The wide net cast catches both domestic terrorists and anyone who happens to favor constitutional government, oppose international bureaucracies, question the IRS, CIA, FBI or United Nations, subscribe to libertarian politics or oppose the military draft. This should all be too ridiculous to address, but police carrying out nationally directed profiling have not been known to be the most nuanced in their investigations. So there is some legitimate concern for freedom activists of all stripes. The report's categorization of so many different types of people as potential threats to domestic peace takes on a distinct flavor in these Obama years, targeting tens of millions of conservative-leaning Americans who wish to peacefully live their lives in freedom -- people who take their Second Amendment rights seriously, people who oppose the staggering growth of government in modern times, people who do not fit into a politically correct mold of good citizenship. It is thus a dangerous report, but it is not anything qualitatively new in the history of the American Republic. Sometimes the fear-mongering was simply stupid and counterproductive; but many times it meant severe attacks on the civil liberties of peaceful Americans. During the American Revolution, peaceful colonial skeptics of the war had their property confiscated. President John Adams targeted the Jeffersonians with the unconstitutional Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798. During the War on 1812, Louis Louaillier, a Louisiana journalist, was jailed by General Andrew Jackson merely for protesting martial law -- and then the judge who issued him a habeas corpus writ was also jailed. Many critics during the Civil War were jailed without due process simply for expressing their opposition to Abraham Lincoln's power grabs. Critics of Reconstruction were also thrown in prison for their opinions. With the advent of the national leviathan and technological modernity, oppression of peaceful dissenters hit new heights. Much of this was rooted in the Red Scare. Those thought to be socialist sympathizers were harassed. Labor agitators were brutalized, hundreds of thousands of Americans ended up on government lists, and hundreds of suspected communists were deported to Bolshevik Russia. The whole time, government used fear of activist violence to chip away the freedom of all Americans. Labor organizers were hardly all angels. Many violently lashed out at scabs and their activism sometimes degenerated into riots and crimes against the innocent. Communist ideology is certainly one of the more dangerous belief systems. Yet the government lumped all these people together, effectively criminalizing free speech, opinions and associations, and persecuting people simply for disagreeing with the establishment view. War hysteria brought on the worst abuses. During World War I, those who were German, spoke German, taught German or patronized German art and music were targeted by lynch mobs and government crackdowns. Under the Espionage and Sedition Acts, critics of the war, conscription, the American flag, Constitution or U.S. military were
Re: Peaceful Dissent and Government Witch Hunts
Can I say ditto? Travis wrote: Makes me want the entire list so I can sign up for very one of them.. On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 6:06 AM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net mailto:dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Peaceful Dissent and Government Witch Hunts By Anthony Gregory As most readers of this are probably aware, the Campaign for Liberty has been singled out, along with a few other political groups, in a leaked Missouri state government report, The Modern Militia Movement. The document tells state officials to be on the lookout for violent extremists while conflating them with pretty much anyone who criticizes the government. Perhaps most troubling, the information apparently comes from the Department of Homeland Security, meaning that similar documents could be circulating in states other than Missouri. The brush with which this report paints critics of the federal government is so absurdly broad that it should not have to be taken seriously. The report lumps together violent white supremacists with the diverse and broad coalition behind Ron Paul, a man who has called racism simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans only as members of groups and never as individuals. People who favor peace and cooperation among nations are thrown together with belligerent nationalists. Militants who saw George W. Bush as their savior and loved the war on terror are associated with those of us who saw Bush's reign as a long period of attacks on social peace, international harmony and freedom. We who criticize the Federal Reserve, fiat money, and inflation -- many of whom were inspired by great Jewish economists like Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard -- are conflated with peddlers of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. Promoters of social harmony and cooperation are branded as antisocial promoters of conflict. The wide net cast catches both domestic terrorists and anyone who happens to favor constitutional government, oppose international bureaucracies, question the IRS, CIA, FBI or United Nations, subscribe to libertarian politics or oppose the military draft. This should all be too ridiculous to address, but police carrying out nationally directed profiling have not been known to be the most nuanced in their investigations. So there is some legitimate concern for freedom activists of all stripes. The report's categorization of so many different types of people as potential threats to domestic peace takes on a distinct flavor in these Obama years, targeting tens of millions of conservative-leaning Americans who wish to peacefully live their lives in freedom -- people who take their Second Amendment rights seriously, people who oppose the staggering growth of government in modern times, people who do not fit into a politically correct mold of good citizenship. It is thus a dangerous report, but it is not anything qualitatively new in the history of the American Republic. Sometimes the fear-mongering was simply stupid and counterproductive; but many times it meant severe attacks on the civil liberties of peaceful Americans. During the American Revolution, peaceful colonial skeptics of the war had their property confiscated. President John Adams targeted the Jeffersonians with the unconstitutional Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798. During the War on 1812, Louis Louaillier, a Louisiana journalist, was jailed by General Andrew Jackson merely for protesting martial law -- and then the judge who issued him a habeas corpus writ was also jailed. Many critics during the Civil War were jailed without due process simply for expressing their opposition to Abraham Lincoln's power grabs. Critics of Reconstruction were also thrown in prison for their opinions. With the advent of the national leviathan and technological modernity, oppression of peaceful dissenters hit new heights. Much of this was rooted in the Red Scare. Those thought to be socialist sympathizers were harassed. Labor agitators were brutalized, hundreds of thousands of Americans ended up on government lists, and hundreds of suspected communists were deported to Bolshevik Russia. The whole time, government used fear of activist violence to chip away the freedom of all Americans. Labor organizers were hardly all angels. Many violently lashed out at scabs and their activism sometimes degenerated into riots and crimes against the innocent. Communist ideology is certainly one of the more dangerous belief systems. Yet the government lumped all these people together, effectively criminalizing free speech, opinions and associations, and persecuting people simply for disagreeing with the
Re: Peaceful Dissent and Government Witch Hunts
You and hopefully a few million others. Wonder what would happen if we wrote the Missouri State Police and asked fr the list. On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 1:08 AM, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.netwrote: Can I say ditto? Travis wrote: Makes me want the entire list so I can sign up for very one of them.. On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 6:06 AM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Peaceful Dissent and Government Witch Hunts By Anthony Gregory As most readers of this are probably aware, the Campaign for Liberty has been singled out, along with a few other political groups, in a leaked Missouri state government report, The Modern Militia Movement. The document tells state officials to be on the lookout for violent extremists while conflating them with pretty much anyone who criticizes the government. Perhaps most troubling, the information apparently comes from the Department of Homeland Security, meaning that similar documents could be circulating in states other than Missouri. The brush with which this report paints critics of the federal government is so absurdly broad that it should not have to be taken seriously. The report lumps together violent white supremacists with the diverse and broad coalition behind Ron Paul, a man who has called racism simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans only as members of groups and never as individuals. People who favor peace and cooperation among nations are thrown together with belligerent nationalists. Militants who saw George W. Bush as their savior and loved the war on terror are associated with those of us who saw Bush's reign as a long period of attacks on social peace, international harmony and freedom. We who criticize the Federal Reserve, fiat money, and inflation -- many of whom were inspired by great Jewish economists like Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard -- are conflated with peddlers of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. Promoters of social harmony and cooperation are branded as antisocial promoters of conflict. The wide net cast catches both domestic terrorists and anyone who happens to favor constitutional government, oppose international bureaucracies, question the IRS, CIA, FBI or United Nations, subscribe to libertarian politics or oppose the military draft. This should all be too ridiculous to address, but police carrying out nationally directed profiling have not been known to be the most nuanced in their investigations. So there is some legitimate concern for freedom activists of all stripes. The report's categorization of so many different types of people as potential threats to domestic peace takes on a distinct flavor in these Obama years, targeting tens of millions of conservative-leaning Americans who wish to peacefully live their lives in freedom -- people who take their Second Amendment rights seriously, people who oppose the staggering growth of government in modern times, people who do not fit into a politically correct mold of good citizenship. It is thus a dangerous report, but it is not anything qualitatively new in the history of the American Republic. Sometimes the fear-mongering was simply stupid and counterproductive; but many times it meant severe attacks on the civil liberties of peaceful Americans. During the American Revolution, peaceful colonial skeptics of the war had their property confiscated. President John Adams targeted the Jeffersonians with the unconstitutional Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798. During the War on 1812, Louis Louaillier, a Louisiana journalist, was jailed by General Andrew Jackson merely for protesting martial law -- and then the judge who issued him a habeas corpus writ was also jailed. Many critics during the Civil War were jailed without due process simply for expressing their opposition to Abraham Lincoln's power grabs. Critics of Reconstruction were also thrown in prison for their opinions. With the advent of the national leviathan and technological modernity, oppression of peaceful dissenters hit new heights. Much of this was rooted in the Red Scare. Those thought to be socialist sympathizers were harassed. Labor agitators were brutalized, hundreds of thousands of Americans ended up on government lists, and hundreds of suspected communists were deported to Bolshevik Russia. The whole time, government used fear of activist violence to chip away the freedom of all Americans. Labor organizers were hardly all angels. Many violently lashed out at scabs and their activism sometimes degenerated into riots and crimes against the innocent. Communist ideology is certainly one of the more dangerous belief systems. Yet the government lumped all these people together, effectively criminalizing free speech, opinions and associations, and persecuting people simply for disagreeing with the establishment view. War hysteria brought on the worst abuses. During World War I, those who were German,
Re: From the Brits - kinda makes the point
All those holes and nothing to let out.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 12:35 AM, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.netwrote:
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Re: From the Brits - kinda makes the point
Just take it to the bowling alley and see if you can make a strike or a gutter ball. I would suggest lofting it half way down the alley for best results. There may be some screams but just disregard them. Consider it a result of being a retard. Travis wrote: All those holes and nothing to let out. On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 12:35 AM, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net mailto:rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00507/Cartoon_507070a.jpg --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wonder what Congress is going to do about all this mess now
I've cleaned my address book- that's a start. But seriously, the anger has to be shifted away from capitalism/business who create wealth and jobs and onto the political poison of Democratic politicians. There remains a huge disconnect with young voters who are attached to the umbilical cord of the media and decades of indoctrination. As my youngest son said today, he belongs to the I don't give a sh-t generation. That is a very dangerous notion. One that elected Obama. On Mar 20, 7:31�pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 5:34 PM, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Let the Democrats stew in their juices- it's the only hope for 2010-then back to the original system of checks and balances. �Agreed. �With the exception that we must get organized, do a house cleaning within our own ranks, and get back to the conservative principles and tenets that most Americans can identify with. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
somebody's head should roll for this one
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This must have been a real beeyotch of a column for a mother to write
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Re: Wonder what Congress is going to do about all this mess now
What identification? Americans have been on a drunken credit binge, have pretty much destroyed the basic unit of all societies- the family- thanks mostly to femi-nazis and wimpy men or men who were grateful women no longer wished to be respected, so on an so forth. On Mar 20, 7:31�pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 5:34 PM, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Let the Democrats stew in their juices- it's the only hope for 2010-then back to the original system of checks and balances. �Agreed. �With the exception that we must get organized, do a house cleaning within our own ranks, and get back to the conservative principles and tenets that most Americans can identify with. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: somebody's head should roll for this one
I don't believe my bank either as my daughter worked in its department that bundled this fraud. Then she was offered a job by a giant accounting firm that subsequently tanked. Happily she she got her M.A. in education and now teaches literature. The poets are solace. On Mar 21, 2:31�am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/template/utils/elt/elt.jsp?source=news_210... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Fwd: RUTH MADOFF DOING HER BEST NOT TO LOOK RICH]
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Re: This must have been a real beeyotch of a column for a mother to write
I think it's war for men and motherhood for women. It breaks the bones of the soul. Hemingway thought life breaks us all but the healed broken bone was stronger. He was wrong. On Mar 21, 2:34�am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/5024506/Nicola-Gauntlett-Im-proud-t... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: somebody's head should roll for this one
Have to admit that I am retired from one of the biggest banks (was not involved in any of the sections that had problems. I always made money for them). I know exactly what you mean. The heads of the major banks just ran wild once the reins were loosened. Between having to make the redlined loans or else and being able to shift the load off on someone else they just minted money and got huge salaries. And it was pretty much divvied up among the top staff. I still remember the year we were told we could not have raises or bonuses because of the business of the bank and yet the CEO got paid enough that year so that every single employee worldwide would have been given $1500 with what he made. I told my boss that I needed to see a raise and a bonus or I would take the job offered me by the opposition. Since I was leader of 3 projects, all of which were vital to that section making money, I got both a raise and a bonus. The following year I retired. Glad now that I did. The problem I see with this whole thing of blaming the banks as a whole is that there are huge divisions in the major banks. Most of them have absolutely nothing to do with the problem areas and really the way the banks are organized could not have anything to do with the problem areas. Yet the way the stories are worded these people are tarred with the same brush as the ones who do bear responsibility for the debacle. Makes me worry about the great guys who worked for me back then. They deserve much better than they are going to get out of this mess. I just hope they can keep their jobs. rigsy03 wrote: I don't believe my bank either as my daughter worked in its department that bundled this fraud. Then she was offered a job by a giant accounting firm that subsequently tanked. Happily she she got her M.A. in education and now teaches literature. The poets are solace. On Mar 21, 2:31�am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/template/utils/elt/elt.jsp?source=news_210... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Russian Ad Featuring a Cartoonish Obama Prompts Cries of Racism - Advertising Age - Global News
Russian Ad Featuring a Cartoonish Obama Prompts Cries of Racism - Advertising Age - Global News http://adage.com/globalnews/article?article_id=135314 Do you think the the Messiah lovers will go over to Russia and protest their racism? Job Hunting? Start with the companies that posted job openings this week http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/5-companies?ncid=emlweuscare0002. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Fwd: RUTH MADOFF DOING HER BEST NOT TO LOOK RICH]
Don't worry, dick thompson, Ruth will pay. Ruth is a varied word. The larger ethical question remains about the investors of Madoff's scheme. They are not victims. They were enablers. On Mar 21, 2:54�am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: [ Attached Message ]From:Claguerra245 claguerra...@aol.comTo:rhomp2...@earthlink.netdate:Sat, 21 Mar 2009 03:44:35 -0400Local:Sat, Mar 21 2009 2:44�amSubject:RUTH MADOFF DOING HER BEST NOT TO LOOK RICH Here's Ruth Madoff -- wife of $65 billion Ponzi schemer Bernie Madoff -- in NYC on Thursday (left) -- and Peter Billingsley as Ralphie in the 1983 film A Christmas Story (right). One of them has been working hard since they were two years old. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Russian Ad Featuring a Cartoonish Obama Prompts Cries of Racism - Advertising Age - Global News
Great ad.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 3:06 AM, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.netwrote:
Russian Ad Featuring a Cartoonish Obama Prompts Cries of Racism -
Advertising Age - Global
Newshttp://adage.com/globalnews/article?article_id=135314
Do you think the the Messiah lovers will go over to Russia and protest
their racism?
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Re: [Fwd: RUTH MADOFF DOING HER BEST NOT TO LOOK RICH]
I think you are right. They are just playing victim because they got caught out. If they had been the ones who got paid off they would be happy as pigs in shit. rigsy03 wrote: Don't worry, dick thompson, Ruth will pay. Ruth is a varied word. The larger ethical question remains about the investors of Madoff's scheme. They are not victims. They were enablers. On Mar 21, 2:54�am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: [ Attached Message ]From:Claguerra245 claguerra...@aol.comTo:rhomp2...@earthlink.netdate:Sat, 21 Mar 2009 03:44:35 -0400Local:Sat, Mar 21 2009 2:44�amSubject:RUTH MADOFF DOING HER BEST NOT TO LOOK RICH Here's Ruth Madoff -- wife of $65 billion Ponzi schemer Bernie Madoff -- in NYC on Thursday (left) -- and Peter Billingsley as Ralphie in the 1983 film A Christmas Story (right). One of them has been working hard since they were two years old. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: somebody's head should roll for this one
The real problem is: where do we trust our money to reside? On Mar 21, 3:03�am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Have to admit that I am retired from one of the biggest banks (was not involved in any of the sections that had problems. �I always made money for them). �I know exactly what you mean. �The heads of the major banks just ran wild once the reins were loosened. �Between having to make the redlined loans or else and being able to shift the load off on someone else they just minted money and got huge salaries. �And it was pretty much divvied up among the top staff. �I still remember the year we were told we could not have raises or bonuses because of the business of the bank and yet the CEO got paid enough that year so that every single employee worldwide would have been given $1500 with what he made. �I told my boss that I needed to see a raise and a bonus or I would take the job offered me by the opposition. �Since I was leader of 3 projects, all of which were vital to that section making money, I got both a raise and a bonus. �The following year I retired. �Glad now that I did. The problem I see with this whole thing of blaming the banks as a whole is that there are huge divisions in the major banks. �Most of them have absolutely nothing to do with the problem areas �and really the way the banks are organized could not have anything to do with the problem areas. �Yet the way the stories are worded these people are tarred with the same brush as the ones who do bear responsibility for the debacle. � Makes me worry about the great guys who worked for me back then. �They deserve much better than they are going to get out of this mess. �I just hope they can keep their jobs. rigsy03 wrote: I don't believe my bank either as my daughter worked in its department that bundled this fraud. Then she was offered a job by a giant accounting firm that subsequently tanked. Happily she she got her M.A. in education and now teaches literature. The poets are solace. On Mar 21, 2:31 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/template/utils/elt/elt.jsp?source=news_210...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Fwd: RUTH MADOFF DOING HER BEST NOT TO LOOK RICH]
Agreed. On Mar 21, 3:14�am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: I think you are right. �They are just playing victim because they got caught out. �If they had been the ones who got paid off they would be happy as pigs in shit. rigsy03 wrote: Don't worry, dick thompson, Ruth will pay. Ruth is a varied word. The larger ethical question remains about the investors of Madoff's scheme. They are not victims. They were enablers. On Mar 21, 2:54 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: [ Attached Message ]From:Claguerra245 claguerra...@aol.comTo:rhomp2...@earthlink.netdate:Sat, 21 Mar 2009 03:44:35 -0400Local:Sat, Mar 21 2009 2:44 amSubject:RUTH MADOFF DOING HER BEST NOT TO LOOK RICH Here's Ruth Madoff -- wife of $65 billion Ponzi schemer Bernie Madoff -- in NYC on Thursday (left) -- and Peter Billingsley as Ralphie in the 1983 film A Christmas Story (right). One of them has been working hard since they were two years old.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: somebody's head should roll for this one
That is a real problem with this current crop in DC. As soon as you find a good place they will pass some more regs that will ruin that location. Need to find some place they can't reach. Between their taxing and their regulating and their taking from here to give it to some low-life there I don't really even want them to know I have it. Unfortunately that is not really in the cards. rigsy03 wrote: The real problem is: where do we trust our money to reside? On Mar 21, 3:03�am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Have to admit that I am retired from one of the biggest banks (was not involved in any of the sections that had problems. �I always made money for them). �I know exactly what you mean. �The heads of the major banks just ran wild once the reins were loosened. �Between having to make the redlined loans or else and being able to shift the load off on someone else they just minted money and got huge salaries. �And it was pretty much divvied up among the top staff. �I still remember the year we were told we could not have raises or bonuses because of the business of the bank and yet the CEO got paid enough that year so that every single employee worldwide would have been given $1500 with what he made. �I told my boss that I needed to see a raise and a bonus or I would take the job offered me by the opposition. �Since I was leader of 3 projects, all of which were vital to that section making money, I got both a raise and a bonus. �The following year I retired. �Glad now that I did. The problem I see with this whole thing of blaming the banks as a whole is that there are huge divisions in the major banks. �Most of them have absolutely nothing to do with the problem areas �and really the way the banks are organized could not have anything to do with the problem areas. �Yet the way the stories are worded these people are tarred with the same brush as the ones who do bear responsibility for the debacle. � Makes me worry about the great guys who worked for me back then. �They deserve much better than they are going to get out of this mess. �I just hope they can keep their jobs. rigsy03 wrote: I don't believe my bank either as my daughter worked in its department that bundled this fraud. Then she was offered a job by a giant accounting firm that subsequently tanked. Happily she she got her M.A. in education and now teaches literature. The poets are solace. On Mar 21, 2:31 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/template/utils/elt/elt.jsp?source=news_210...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: somebody's head should roll for this one
There is no longer a place that government tentacles cannot reach. Obama is a perfect squid. Goodnight. On Mar 21, 3:24�am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: That is a real problem with this current crop in DC. �As soon as you find a good place they will pass some more regs that will ruin that location. �Need to find some place they can't reach. �Between their taxing and their regulating and their taking from here to give it to some low-life there I don't really even want them to know I have it. � Unfortunately that is not really in the cards. rigsy03 wrote: The real problem is: where do we trust our money to reside? On Mar 21, 3:03 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Have to admit that I am retired from one of the biggest banks (was not involved in any of the sections that had problems. I always made money for them). I know exactly what you mean. The heads of the major banks just ran wild once the reins were loosened. Between having to make the redlined loans or else and being able to shift the load off on someone else they just minted money and got huge salaries. And it was pretty much divvied up among the top staff. I still remember the year we were told we could not have raises or bonuses because of the business of the bank and yet the CEO got paid enough that year so that every single employee worldwide would have been given $1500 with what he made. I told my boss that I needed to see a raise and a bonus or I would take the job offered me by the opposition. Since I was leader of 3 projects, all of which were vital to that section making money, I got both a raise and a bonus. The following year I retired. Glad now that I did. The problem I see with this whole thing of blaming the banks as a whole is that there are huge divisions in the major banks. Most of them have absolutely nothing to do with the problem areas and really the way the banks are organized could not have anything to do with the problem areas. Yet the way the stories are worded these people are tarred with the same brush as the ones who do bear responsibility for the debacle. Makes me worry about the great guys who worked for me back then. They deserve much better than they are going to get out of this mess. I just hope they can keep their jobs. rigsy03 wrote: I don't believe my bank either as my daughter worked in its department that bundled this fraud. Then she was offered a job by a giant accounting firm that subsequently tanked. Happily she she got her M.A. in education and now teaches literature. The poets are solace. On Mar 21, 2:31 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/template/utils/elt/elt.jsp?source=news_210...Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Taitz to FBI: Investigate 'tampering' at Supremes
Calling John Grisham!!! CW - Original Message - From: Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 07:06 Subject: Taitz to FBI: Investigate 'tampering' at Supremes A California attorney battling on a number of fronts to obtain documentation of Barack Obama's eligibility to be president is asking the FBI and U.S. Secret Service to investigate suspected tampering at the U.S. Supreme Court. Orly Taitz, who is pursuing nearly half a dozen causes through her Defend Our Freedoms Foundation, says the issue of Obama's eligibility to meet the Constitution's demand for a natural born president has been before the Supreme Court at least four times. But she wonders whether the justices actually were given the pleadings to review. I believe … that there was tampering with documents and records by employees of the Supreme Court and the justices never saw those briefs, she alleges in a letter to the FBI's Robert Mueller, the Secret Service's Mark Sullivan and Attorney General Eric Holder. Three hundred five million American citizens … need to know whether a foreign national is usurping the position of the president and the commander in chief, she wrote. Taitz raises questions about forgery of court records, tampering with court records, cyber crime, erasing of court records from the docket, fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud and other related crimes. Specifically, she points to the handling of her own case, Lightfoot v. Bowen, which was submitted to the Supreme Court on an emergency basis. Although it was scheduled for a conference, no hearing ever was held. Taitz notes that references to the case were erased from the docket of the Supreme Court on Jan. 21, shortly after Obama, the defendant, met with eight of the nine justices behind closed doors. It happened just two days before her case was scheduled to be reviewed in conference. Secondly, Taitz notes that in her conversation with Justice Antonin Scalia at a book-signing in Los Angeles several weeks ago, he appeared to have no knowledge of the cases that had been submitted. She said she mentioned her case and those brought by Cort Wrotnowski, Philip Berg and Leo Donofrio. In the presence of several attorneys, law students and Secret Service agents Justice Scalia kept saying that he didn't know anything … even though all of the plaintiffs have received notification that all of those cases were reviewed by all nine justices, she said. Taitz said she's also concerned that the Supreme Court docket was somehow modified. Did somebody from outside break and enter into the computer system of the Supreme Court or was it done by one of the overzealous employees who wanted to keep Obama in the White House? she asked. I demand to see the printout of entries of both internal docket seen by justices and the external docket seen by the public to verify if those were identical at all times, particularly between January 20th and January 23rd, she said. She also raised the possibility that justices' signatures may have been stamped on documentation. http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=92393 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Taitz to FBI: Investigate 'tampering' at Supremes
A California attorney battling on a number of fronts to obtain documentation of Barack Obama's eligibility to be president is asking the FBI and U.S. Secret Service to investigate suspected tampering at the U.S. Supreme Court. Orly Taitz, who is pursuing nearly half a dozen causes through her Defend Our Freedoms Foundation, says the issue of Obama's eligibility to meet the Constitution's demand for a natural born president has been before the Supreme Court at least four times. But she wonders whether the justices actually were given the pleadings to review. I believe … that there was tampering with documents and records by employees of the Supreme Court and the justices never saw those briefs, she alleges in a letter to the FBI's Robert Mueller, the Secret Service's Mark Sullivan and Attorney General Eric Holder. Three hundred five million American citizens … need to know whether a foreign national is usurping the position of the president and the commander in chief, she wrote. Taitz raises questions about forgery of court records, tampering with court records, cyber crime, erasing of court records from the docket, fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud and other related crimes. Specifically, she points to the handling of her own case, Lightfoot v. Bowen, which was submitted to the Supreme Court on an emergency basis. Although it was scheduled for a conference, no hearing ever was held. Taitz notes that references to the case were erased from the docket of the Supreme Court on Jan. 21, shortly after Obama, the defendant, met with eight of the nine justices behind closed doors. It happened just two days before her case was scheduled to be reviewed in conference. Secondly, Taitz notes that in her conversation with Justice Antonin Scalia at a book-signing in Los Angeles several weeks ago, he appeared to have no knowledge of the cases that had been submitted. She said she mentioned her case and those brought by Cort Wrotnowski, Philip Berg and Leo Donofrio. In the presence of several attorneys, law students and Secret Service agents Justice Scalia kept saying that he didn't know anything … even though all of the plaintiffs have received notification that all of those cases were reviewed by all nine justices, she said. Taitz said she's also concerned that the Supreme Court docket was somehow modified. Did somebody from outside break and enter into the computer system of the Supreme Court or was it done by one of the overzealous employees who wanted to keep Obama in the White House? she asked. I demand to see the printout of entries of both internal docket seen by justices and the external docket seen by the public to verify if those were identical at all times, particularly between January 20th and January 23rd, she said. She also raised the possibility that justices' signatures may have been stamped on documentation. http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=92393 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Taitz to FBI: Investigate 'tampering' at Supremes
I put nothing past this so called president and his minions. nothing. On Mar 21, 7:37 am, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: Calling John Grisham!!! CW - Original Message - From: Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 07:06 Subject: Taitz to FBI: Investigate 'tampering' at Supremes A California attorney battling on a number of fronts to obtain documentation of Barack Obama's eligibility to be president is asking the FBI and U.S. Secret Service to investigate suspected tampering at the U.S. Supreme Court. Orly Taitz, who is pursuing nearly half a dozen causes through her Defend Our Freedoms Foundation, says the issue of Obama's eligibility to meet the Constitution's demand for a natural born president has been before the Supreme Court at least four times. But she wonders whether the justices actually were given the pleadings to review. I believe … that there was tampering with documents and records by employees of the Supreme Court and the justices never saw those briefs, she alleges in a letter to the FBI's Robert Mueller, the Secret Service's Mark Sullivan and Attorney General Eric Holder. Three hundred five million American citizens … need to know whether a foreign national is usurping the position of the president and the commander in chief, she wrote. Taitz raises questions about forgery of court records, tampering with court records, cyber crime, erasing of court records from the docket, fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud and other related crimes. Specifically, she points to the handling of her own case, Lightfoot v. Bowen, which was submitted to the Supreme Court on an emergency basis. Although it was scheduled for a conference, no hearing ever was held. Taitz notes that references to the case were erased from the docket of the Supreme Court on Jan. 21, shortly after Obama, the defendant, met with eight of the nine justices behind closed doors. It happened just two days before her case was scheduled to be reviewed in conference. Secondly, Taitz notes that in her conversation with Justice Antonin Scalia at a book-signing in Los Angeles several weeks ago, he appeared to have no knowledge of the cases that had been submitted. She said she mentioned her case and those brought by Cort Wrotnowski, Philip Berg and Leo Donofrio. In the presence of several attorneys, law students and Secret Service agents Justice Scalia kept saying that he didn't know anything … even though all of the plaintiffs have received notification that all of those cases were reviewed by all nine justices, she said. Taitz said she's also concerned that the Supreme Court docket was somehow modified. Did somebody from outside break and enter into the computer system of the Supreme Court or was it done by one of the overzealous employees who wanted to keep Obama in the White House? she asked. I demand to see the printout of entries of both internal docket seen by justices and the external docket seen by the public to verify if those were identical at all times, particularly between January 20th and January 23rd, she said. She also raised the possibility that justices' signatures may have been stamped on documentation. http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=92393 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
The Spectator Stop The Debates!
In case any of you haven't figured out that when you look at things through a microscope you are doing exactly what they want you to do and they (politicians) and getting exactly what then need to systematically and methodically tear our collective thoughts apart accomplishing the ultimate goal of maintaining power over us. If we don't get our heads out of our asses and quit micromanaging each individual bill and or politician then we will never see the BIG PICTURE. The philosophy that hedges behind this phenomena is collectivism vs individualism and as a COLLECTIVELY system our government and or leadership is leading us away from our individual rights and or our inalienable rights. They are doing so collectively? As I've looked at the leadership philosophies of Benjamin Franklin and George Washington who found their genius in a book called The Spectator I now understand why this nation has been led into individualism and or specialty. When the atom bomb was built with thousands of people working on this project each individual had a specialized and or specific (specialist and or specialized field) job to do. In this manner no one individual had the information to put the pieces of the puzzle together so there was no collective information so the secret was kept safe. All of you have fallen into the trap of micromanaging and bickering over little pieces of the big cheese and all of you have fallen into the trap that these bastards have set for you. I know that human nature and the intellectual side of politics intrigue all of us and we sure as hell like to either argue our side of the story about this one and that one or we bury our heads in the sand and remain naive because we fear the truth. I both instances we have COLLECTIVELY missed the boat and none of us are synthesizing the truth. I beg you all collectively to embark on a new idea as it relates to The Spectator. It may no be a good thing for us as a debating political entity because if we collectively unite by looking at the big picture then we have taken much of the political debate out of the equation which is inevitably the answer. The DEBATE will be over and isn't that what we want? What is better for us as a nation? To collectivity unite and beat these tyrants at their own game of micromanaging individually and let these politicians make us into a collective bunch of folks and or debating fools who remain at the mercy of their will. Are we going to remain a ship of fools rowing in different directions on the hoodoo seas? Peace, Doc --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Taitz to FBI: Investigate 'tampering' at Supremes
Me either Doc. Me either. CW - Original Message - From: Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 08:10 Subject: Re: Taitz to FBI: Investigate 'tampering' at Supremes I put nothing past this so called president and his minions. nothing. On Mar 21, 7:37 am, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: Calling John Grisham!!! CW - Original Message - From: Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 07:06 Subject: Taitz to FBI: Investigate 'tampering' at Supremes A California attorney battling on a number of fronts to obtain documentation of Barack Obama's eligibility to be president is asking the FBI and U.S. Secret Service to investigate suspected tampering at the U.S. Supreme Court. Orly Taitz, who is pursuing nearly half a dozen causes through her Defend Our Freedoms Foundation, says the issue of Obama's eligibility to meet the Constitution's demand for a natural born president has been before the Supreme Court at least four times. But she wonders whether the justices actually were given the pleadings to review. I believe … that there was tampering with documents and records by employees of the Supreme Court and the justices never saw those briefs, she alleges in a letter to the FBI's Robert Mueller, the Secret Service's Mark Sullivan and Attorney General Eric Holder. Three hundred five million American citizens … need to know whether a foreign national is usurping the position of the president and the commander in chief, she wrote. Taitz raises questions about forgery of court records, tampering with court records, cyber crime, erasing of court records from the docket, fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud and other related crimes. Specifically, she points to the handling of her own case, Lightfoot v. Bowen, which was submitted to the Supreme Court on an emergency basis. Although it was scheduled for a conference, no hearing ever was held. Taitz notes that references to the case were erased from the docket of the Supreme Court on Jan. 21, shortly after Obama, the defendant, met with eight of the nine justices behind closed doors. It happened just two days before her case was scheduled to be reviewed in conference. Secondly, Taitz notes that in her conversation with Justice Antonin Scalia at a book-signing in Los Angeles several weeks ago, he appeared to have no knowledge of the cases that had been submitted. She said she mentioned her case and those brought by Cort Wrotnowski, Philip Berg and Leo Donofrio. In the presence of several attorneys, law students and Secret Service agents Justice Scalia kept saying that he didn't know anything … even though all of the plaintiffs have received notification that all of those cases were reviewed by all nine justices, she said. Taitz said she's also concerned that the Supreme Court docket was somehow modified. Did somebody from outside break and enter into the computer system of the Supreme Court or was it done by one of the overzealous employees who wanted to keep Obama in the White House? she asked. I demand to see the printout of entries of both internal docket seen by justices and the external docket seen by the public to verify if those were identical at all times, particularly between January 20th and January 23rd, she said. She also raised the possibility that justices' signatures may have been stamped on documentation. http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=92393 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
This is starting to get a wee bit ridiculous these days
Wonder where the anti-Prop 8 people got their funding! Capitol and California Comments (5) | Recommend (1) | Print FPPC gets new complaint over Prop. 8 campaign ShareThis By Susan Ferriss sferr...@sacbee.com Published: Saturday, Mar. 21, 2009 - 12:00 am | Page 3A An additional complaint about the Mormon church's support for Proposition 8 rolled into the state's Fair Political Practices Commission this week. Roman Porter, the FPPC's executive director, confirmed Friday receiving a request for more investigation with links to alleged Mormon insider documents from Fred Karger of the group Californians Against Hate. Karger's complaint, dated Thursday, asks the commission to look more deeply into whether the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints spent far more staff time and money on Proposition 8 than officially disclosed. The complaint will be added to the original one that Karger filed last November, Porter said. Karger accuses the Mormon church of setting up the National Organization for Marriage in 2007 to work to qualify Proposition 8 for the ballot last November. The group "came out of nowhere," he said, "and all of a sudden it began raising big, big money." Karger said the alleged insider documents he obtained he would not say where reveal a pattern of the church setting up "front groups" to hide church financing to stop gay marriage. In his complaint, he included alleged correspondence from the 1990s between Mormon church members involved in lobbying against gay-marriage proposals in Hawaii. The letters bear the signatures of then high-level Mormon representatives, and describe the need to lower the church's profile in the Hawaii effort by working with figures from other religions. One June 1996 letter purportedly shows a Mormon church representative was aware that media were interested in probing church donations to the Hawaii coalition. "We have organized things so the Church contribution was used in an area of coalition activity that does not have to be reported," the letter reads. In an e-mailed statement, Mormon church spokeswoman Kim Farah denied establishing the National Organization for Marriage and said the church has reported its entire contribution of $190,000 to Proposition 8. Farah said the church has not tried to verify the authenticity of the documents related to the Hawaii campaign against gay marriage. Brian Brown, National Organization for Marriage's executive director and a Roman Catholic, said, "The only way to respond to Fred Karger is one word: ridiculous." Brown said his group includes a Mormon board member and people of many other faiths. The early money used to get enough signatures to put Proposition 8 on the ballot came mostly from well-off Catholic individuals, he said. Jeff Flint, a Proposition 8 campaign manager, accused Karger of "irrational hatred" of the Mormon church. "I'm not exactly sure how to answer the latest conspiracy theory," Flint said. ShareThis Call Susan Ferriss, Bee Capitol Bureau, (916) 321-1267. Comment Guidelines Dear Readers, Thank you for coming to sacbee.com. We welcome your participation in our commenting boards and forums, but we ask that you follow a few simple rules to keep the boards open and the discourse civil. We reserve the right to delete comments that contain inappropriate links, obscenities or vulgarities, spam, hate speech, personal attacks, plagiarism or copyright violations. You can help notify us of potential abuses by flagging comments that you find offensive. Action will be taken against users who repeatedly or flagrantly violate the rules. Keep it clean and you should have no problems. Add a comment (max 1000 characters) Comments: 5 Showing: Oldest first Newest first Most-recommended first Least-recommended first neverforget wrote on 03/21/2009 01:54:09 AM: This anti -8 crap is getting old , they should change there name from Californians Against Hate. To Californians for Hate. Recommend(1) Report abuse Jimsac8 wrote on 03/21/2009 01:36:26 AM: What does the Bible say about same sex relationships? All the answers that you all are looking for are in the Bible. Recommend(1) Report abuse Chino_Blanco wrote on 03/21/2009 01:12:56 AM: I'm not exactly sure that Jeff Flint's opinion on this subject should matter one whit, especially seeing as how Jeff has already had his own run-ins with the FPPC as the result of his sloppy reporting of contributions during previous campaigns. Recommend(1) Report abuse nico1950 wrote on 03/21/2009 00:52:22 AM: Many of the people who support same sex marriage(SSM)who continue to blame the far right for its failure to win the peoples vote for SSM are blaming everyone, from Christians to blacks. Attacking Assembly Speaker Karen Bass, who happens to be black, for her inability to convince black voters that
And if they had gotten the money like some of them did there would be no comment at all - what sheer hypocrisy
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Even the Globe gets it on Special Needs but some supporters still don't
Marianne Leone Special needs aren't funny, Mr. Obama President Obama's ''joke'' was a knife-in-the-heart moment for many parents. (Larry Downing/Reuters) By Marianne Leone March 21, 2009 Email| Print| Single Page| Yahoo! Buzz| ShareThis Text size + PRESIDENT OBAMA made an off-the-teleprompter remark on "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" on Thursday that wasn't the least bit funny. Joking that his bowling skills were "like the Special Olympics" was one of those knife-in-the-heart moments that parents of mentally challenged children live with every day. Discuss COMMENTS (75) Obama's presidency was hailed for breaking stereotypes. We have had a disabled president - Franklin Delano Roosevelt - but the fact that he used a wheelchair was kept hidden. Now we have a "cool" president, and racial slurs are supposed to be banished forever, but it's still OK to make fun of "retards." After all, our president does it. On national television. All over the progressive blogosphere, the Obama supporters who retired to the fainting couch over racial slights are quick to tell the disabled community to "get over it." A poll on the Huffington Post has 28 percent agreeing it was "just a light-hearted, self-deprecating comment. Get over it, people." Twenty-six percent agreed that it was "Maybe a dumb thing to say, but he didn't mean it in a mean-spirited way, and it is pretty funny." And 23 percent wondered, "Why are we even talking about this?" We're talking about this because words have power, and because Obama promised change, and to be a leader, not a comedian. There is little doubt that we'll be seeing lots of wheelchairs in photo ops at the White House in the coming weeks and Michelle Obama will have her arms around a lot of children with Down syndrome. But no stereotypes will have been broken by this new president in the area of public perception of children with disabilities. Not when they are used as a punch line on national television in a "joke." Obama apologized to the chairman of the Special Olympics, Tim Shriver, who regards this gaffe as a "teachable moment." But here's what Obama should learn from this: Stop your cringe-inducing attempts at humor, and try to bring about the change you promised when I voted for you. And don't go off the teleprompter again anytime soon. It makes you sound. . . not so smart. Marianne Leone is an actress and writer living on the South Shore. Copyright 2009 Globe Newspaper Company. READER COMMENTS (74) Post a comment I don't get it, Special Olympic atheletes try really hard and have a lot of heart but aren't ever going to be the best in the world. Funny, Obama is trying really hard to bowl but isn't ever going to ... Click here to see full comment I don't get it, Special Olympic atheletes try really hard and have a lot of heart but aren't ever going to be the best in the world. Funny, Obama is trying really hard to bowl but isn't ever going to be the best in the world. I think he's probably 100% accurate in his description. by BosPP March 21, 11:02 AM Report Abuse Out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks. Out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks. by nadie March 21, 10:59 AM Report Abuse Jgp1954that "macaca moment" you refer to was mean-spirited and deprecating; Obama's Tonite Show moment was none of the kind. George Allen is nowhere near Obama on ANY scale, just another idiot Rep... Click here to see full comment Jgp1954that "macaca moment" you refer to was mean-spirited and deprecating; Obama's Tonite Show moment was none of the kind. George Allen is nowhere near Obama on ANY scale, just another idiot Republican trying to establish he's better than the Main St. folk... by bigunit47 March 21, 10:57 AM Report Abuse It is amazing how the media has picked up this remark as if it was the only thing Obama said. Obama was lucid, articulate, self-effacing, and most refreshing of all...presidential. He made a mistake a... Click here to see full comment It is amazing how the media has picked up this remark
Re: Well...Is He, or Isn’t He?
Re: Why would you, or any other American, including President Obama be opposed to releasing the vaulted birth certificate? Two main reasons, (1) if I want something does that mean that I would get it? Say I want the Cubs to win the world series. I want, but I do not expect. In this case, the government of Hawaii says that it will send out only the COLB. So wanting may have no effect. (2) Why should I want something if the essential facts of what I want have already been provided to me? In the COLB it says that Obama was born in Hawaii. That is not a lie, nor is the document forged. And, in 1961 it was not possible to register a foreign birth in Hawaii. Some have said that there was a loophole for late registrations of birth, but we know that Obamas' birth was officially registered four days after he was born. We also know from Lori that Hawaii insisted on proof of birth in Hawaii if a person were born outside of a hospital. (3) Therefore, he must have been born in Hawaii. (4) Thus I already have proof that he was born in Hawaii and even if I wanted more, I would not be sure of getting it, because Hawaii says it does not send it out--not even to the people who ask for their own birth certificates. Some other reasons why Obama does not ask for more than the COLB. (1) The COLB is sufficient to legally prove birth in Hawaii (2) Hawaii sends out only the COLB to people who ask for their birth certificates. (3) So, to get something that the state of Hawaii does not normally issue to ordinary people is asking for a special privilege. (4) For Hawaii to send Obama more than the COLB, when it only sends out the COLB normally would be for it to be granting a special privilege. (5) Not one prominent in the Republican party is asking to see anything. Who then is asking to see something more than the COLB? By doing something for them, would I win their votes? (6) There is no need to disclose anything unless and until a court asks for it, and if a court ask for it, Obama then does not have to worry about asking for anything special or Hawaii about doing anything special. And, if a court asks to see it, a court would be set up to verify its authenticity, which would not be the case with a Web posting. (7) The people who are asking to see more than the COLB must logically believe that Obama's mother lied. He is not likely to do anything to make such people happy. (There is no way that the COLB can be wrong in the location of birth unless the mother lied because Hawaii did not register foreign births in 1961.) (8) The people who believe that the COLB is wrong and that Obama was born in Kenya must believe that there was a way to get a Kenyan-born infant from Kenya to the USA without a US visa, or that somehow over the last year a US visa in the State Department files would not have been found by now. Is it worthwhile doing something for people who can believe that two plus two may equal three? (9) Legally, to show the original birth certificate, if that were possible (since Hawaii sends out only the COLB), would open the way to the other side to demand other private data, such as college records. (10) Do presidents have the right of privacy to some extent? I should fight to protect the rights of other presidents to keep their birth records private, other than what they show voluntarily. The birthers insist in their lawsuits that they have the right to see this. I say that they have no right. Let them prove that they have a right, or, if they do not, then I will prove that president's have at least some rights of privacy. and, to repeat (1) the COLB is legally sufficient to PROVE birth in Hawaii. It is accepted by the State Department and by the branches of the military, and there is NO evidence that Obama was born anywhere other than in Hawaii. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Spectator Stop The Debates!
Nailed in on the head Doc..Good Post. On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: In case any of you haven't figured out that when you look at things through a microscope you are doing exactly what they want you to do and they (politicians) and getting exactly what then need to systematically and methodically tear our collective thoughts apart accomplishing the ultimate goal of maintaining power over us. If we don't get our heads out of our asses and quit micromanaging each individual bill and or politician then we will never see the BIG PICTURE. The philosophy that hedges behind this phenomena is collectivism vs individualism and as a COLLECTIVELY system our government and or leadership is leading us away from our individual rights and or our inalienable rights. They are doing so collectively? As I've looked at the leadership philosophies of Benjamin Franklin and George Washington who found their genius in a book called The Spectator I now understand why this nation has been led into individualism and or specialty. When the atom bomb was built with thousands of people working on this project each individual had a specialized and or specific (specialist and or specialized field) job to do. In this manner no one individual had the information to put the pieces of the puzzle together so there was no collective information so the secret was kept safe. All of you have fallen into the trap of micromanaging and bickering over little pieces of the big cheese and all of you have fallen into the trap that these bastards have set for you. I know that human nature and the intellectual side of politics intrigue all of us and we sure as hell like to either argue our side of the story about this one and that one or we bury our heads in the sand and remain naive because we fear the truth. I both instances we have COLLECTIVELY missed the boat and none of us are synthesizing the truth. I beg you all collectively to embark on a new idea as it relates to The Spectator. It may no be a good thing for us as a debating political entity because if we collectively unite by looking at the big picture then we have taken much of the political debate out of the equation which is inevitably the answer. The DEBATE will be over and isn't that what we want? What is better for us as a nation? To collectivity unite and beat these tyrants at their own game of micromanaging individually and let these politicians make us into a collective bunch of folks and or debating fools who remain at the mercy of their will. Are we going to remain a ship of fools rowing in different directions on the hoodoo seas? Peace, Doc --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Well...Is He, or Isn’t He?
I think you are still talking about the law about proof of Hawaiian birth by race for special land grants. I have already pointed out to you that DHHL accepts the COLB for proof of birth in Hawaii. It asks for an original birth certificate, but DHHL recognizes that only the people whose families saved the original birth certificate will be able to provide it. If the families did not save the original birth certificate, or if it was lost, DHHL accepts the COLB and tries to find other documents that prove Hawaiian race. This, of course, does NOT apply to Obama, who merely needs to have an official document proving his birth in Hawaii, which this COLB does. Not all COLBs say born in Hawaii, but this one does. When a Hawaiian COLB says born in Hawaii, it is accepted as proof of birth in the USA by such federal agencies as the State Department for passports and the branches of the military for enlistments. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Boy, do I ever agree with Tammi on this one
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Clueless was not one of the DVD PM Brown was unable to watch
However it should have been... Obama the Sophisticated is highlighting the competence and sophistication of Cowboy Bush... Ironic... http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/03/023120.php http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mandrake/5011941/Gordon-Brown-is-frustrated-by-Psycho-in-No-10.html Alas, when the PM settled down to begin watching them the other night, he found there was a problem. The films only worked in DVD players made in North America and the words wrong region came up on his screen. Although he mournfully had to put the popcorn away, he is unlikely to jeopardise the special relationship – or special partnership, as we are now supposed to call it – by registering a complaint. A Downing Street spokesman said he was confident that any gift Obama gave Brown would have been well thought through, but referred me to the White House for assistance on the technical aspects. A White House spokesman sniggered when I put the story to him and he was still looking into the matter when my deadline came last night. By the way, when Obama's unlikely gift was disclosed, a reader emailed me to ask if Clueless was among the films. Funnily enough, it was not. Brown, on the other hand, presented a rather more thoughtful gift to the American President in the form of a penholder carved from the timbers of an anti-slavery ship. The sister ship, in fact, of the one that was broken up and turned into the desk in the Oval Office. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Well...Is He, or Isn’t He?
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:02 AM, smrstrauss smrstra...@aol.com wrote: Re: Why would you, or any other American, including President Obama be opposed to releasing the vaulted birth certificate? Two main reasons, (1) if I want something does that mean that I would get it? Say I want the Cubs to win the world series. I want, but I do not expect. In this case, the government of Hawaii says that it will send out only the COLB. So wanting may have no effect. No, Hawaii says it will send only the information that cooincides with the request. If the afadavit was requested it would include it (or exclude if one does not exist and note that on the COLB issued) (2) Why should I want something if the essential facts of what I want have already been provided to me? In the COLB it says that Obama was born in Hawaii. No. it lists A date and A place that is sworn to by the mother for up to one year after A birth. and registers it as any other birth. This is why the afadavit is necessary. Local papers print whatever GENERIC info is on the registration... not what is contained i n the afadavit. That is not a lie, nor is the document forged. And, in 1961 it was not possible to register a foreign birth in Hawaii. I have posted the LAW on this thread that says it was indeed. It simply carried a penalty if it was proven that someone did so. Some have said that there was a loophole for late registrations of birth, but we know that Obamas' birth was officially registered four days after he was born. We KNOW there was a registration date Obama has steadfastly refused to ask for the release of the afadavit on which the registration is based. (doctors or mothers) We also know from Lori that Hawaii insisted on proof of birth in Hawaii if a person were born outside of a hospital. Not releasable under HRS 303 unless requested by blood relative. (3) Therefore, he must have been born in Hawaii. Therefore a blood relative has not requested the afadavit of birth. (4) Thus I already have proof that he was born in Hawaii and even if I wanted more, I would not be sure of getting it, because Hawaii says it does not send it out--not even to the people who ask for their own birth certificates. Wrong for seventy five years after birth registration that is by lawthe only person to whom they will release it. Some other reasons why Obama does not ask for more than the COLB. (1) The COLB is sufficient to legally prove birth in Hawaii It is not proof of natural born status... it is... as presented.. proof of REGISTRATION only. (2) Hawaii sends out only the COLB to people who ask for their birth certificates. Again wrong. They send out ONLY information directly requested to be listed on the COLB. (3) So, to get something that the state of Hawaii does not normally issue to ordinary people is asking for a special privilege. No, it is asking that the law be complied with. (4) For Hawaii to send Obama more than the COLB, when it only sends out the COLB normally would be for it to be granting a special privilege. Repititious (5) Not one prominent in the Republican party is asking to see anything. Who then is asking to see something more than the COLB? By doing something for them, would I win their votes? what possible difference does that make ?? (6) There is no need to disclose anything unless and until a court asks for it, and if a court ask for it, Obama then does not have to worry about asking for anything special or Hawaii about doing anything special. And, if a court asks to see it, a court would be set up to verify its authenticity, which would not be the case with a Web posting. Complying openly and honestly with the constitution he swore to uphold is not a requirement ?? (7) The people who are asking to see more than the COLB must logically believe that Obama's mother lied. There is no way to prove that one way or the other without the release of the afadavit of birth. He is not likely to do anything to make such people happy. (There is no way that the COLB can be wrong in the location of birth unless the mother lied because Hawaii did not register foreign births in 1961.) Hawaii did register foreign births in 1961 if an afadavit was sworn. (8) The people who believe that the COLB is wrong and that Obama was born in Kenya must believe that there was a way to get a Kenyan-born infant from Kenya to the USA without a US visa, or that somehow over the last year a US visa in the State Department files would not have been found by now. Is it worthwhile doing something for people who can believe that two plus two may equal three? No afadavit. no proof either way. (9) Legally, to show the original birth certificate, if that were possible (since Hawaii sends out only the COLB), would open the way to the other side to demand other private data, such as college records. He is president and FOI
Re: Well...Is He, or Isn’t He?
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:02 AM, smrstrauss smrstra...@aol.com wrote: Re: Why would you, or any other American, including President Obama be opposed to releasing the vaulted birth certificate? Two main reasons, (1) if I want something does that mean that I would get it? Say I want the Cubs to win the world series. I want, but I do not expect. In this case, the government of Hawaii says that it will send out only the COLB. So wanting may have no effect. No, Hawaii says it will send only the information that cooincides with the request. If the afadavit was requested it would include it (or exclude if one does not exist and note that on the COLB issued) (2) Why should I want something if the essential facts of what I want have already been provided to me? In the COLB it says that Obama was born in Hawaii. No. it lists A date and A place that is sworn to by the mother for up to one year after A birth. and registers it as any other birth. This is why the afadavit is necessary. Local papers print whatever GENERIC info is on the registration... not what is contained i n the afadavit. That is not a lie, nor is the document forged. And, in 1961 it was not possible to register a foreign birth in Hawaii. I have posted the LAW on this thread that says it was indeed. It simply carried a penalty if it was proven that someone did so. Some have said that there was a loophole for late registrations of birth, but we know that Obamas' birth was officially registered four days after he was born. We KNOW there was a registration date Obama has steadfastly refused to ask for the release of the afadavit on which the registration is based. (doctors or mothers) We also know from Lori that Hawaii insisted on proof of birth in Hawaii if a person were born outside of a hospital. Not releasable under HRS 303 unless requested by blood relative. (3) Therefore, he must have been born in Hawaii. Therefore a blood relative has not requested the afadavit of birth. (4) Thus I already have proof that he was born in Hawaii and even if I wanted more, I would not be sure of getting it, because Hawaii says it does not send it out--not even to the people who ask for their own birth certificates. Wrong for seventy five years after birth registration that is by lawthe only person to whom they will release it. Some other reasons why Obama does not ask for more than the COLB. (1) The COLB is sufficient to legally prove birth in Hawaii It is not proof of natural born status... it is... as presented.. proof of REGISTRATION only. (2) Hawaii sends out only the COLB to people who ask for their birth certificates. Again wrong. They send out ONLY information directly requested to be listed on the COLB. (3) So, to get something that the state of Hawaii does not normally issue to ordinary people is asking for a special privilege. No, it is asking that the law be complied with. (4) For Hawaii to send Obama more than the COLB, when it only sends out the COLB normally would be for it to be granting a special privilege. Repititious (5) Not one prominent in the Republican party is asking to see anything. Who then is asking to see something more than the COLB? By doing something for them, would I win their votes? what possible difference does that make ?? (6) There is no need to disclose anything unless and until a court asks for it, and if a court ask for it, Obama then does not have to worry about asking for anything special or Hawaii about doing anything special. And, if a court asks to see it, a court would be set up to verify its authenticity, which would not be the case with a Web posting. Complying openly and honestly with the constitution he swore to uphold is not a requirement ?? (7) The people who are asking to see more than the COLB must logically believe that Obama's mother lied. There is no way to prove that one way or the other without the release of the afadavit of birth. He is not likely to do anything to make such people happy. (There is no way that the COLB can be wrong in the location of birth unless the mother lied because Hawaii did not register foreign births in 1961.) Hawaii did register foreign births in 1961 if an afadavit was sworn. (8) The people who believe that the COLB is wrong and that Obama was born in Kenya must believe that there was a way to get a Kenyan-born infant from Kenya to the USA without a US visa, or that somehow over the last year a US visa in the State Department files would not have been found by now. Is it worthwhile doing something for people who can believe that two plus two may equal three? No afadavit. no proof either way. (9) Legally, to show the original birth certificate, if that were possible (since Hawaii sends out only the COLB), would open the
Osama bin Laden Dead?
Dead Bin Laden Urges Jihad Reuters March 14, 2009 Editor’s note: Osama bin Laden died in late 2001. Report: Bin Laden Already Dead. Pakistan’s Musharraf: Bin Laden probably dead. Karzai: bin Laden ‘probably’ dead. FBI: Bin Laden ‘probably’ dead. Magazine runs what it calls bin Laden’s will. Bush hints Osama bin Laden probably dead. Bhutto Confirms that Osama Bin Laden is Dead (video). Bin Laden may be dead, but living on through old sound bites. French secret service memo claims Bin Laden dead. Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden accused moderate Arab leaders of plotting with the West against Muslims and urged his followers to prepare for jihad (holy war), in a recording aired by Al Jazeera television. It is clear that some Arab leaders have plotted with the Zionist- crusader coalition against our (Muslim) people, these (Arab countries) the United States calls the moderate states, bin Laden said, without naming any of the leaders. We must seriously work and prepare for jihad to enforce the right and abolish the wrong, bin Laden said in the audio recording that was aired on Saturday. Bin Laden, who made a similar call for jihad on January 14, described Israel’s offensive in Gaza and its attacks on the Palestinian territory as a holocaust and said militants wanting to help Gazans should support Iraqis fighting U.S.-led forces and Baghdad’s government. from www.infowars.com http://www.squidoo.com/tithes-and-offerings --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Osama bin Laden Dead?
In my never humble opinion, Osama is living high-on-the-hog in Iran.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 12:49 PM, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote:
Dead Bin Laden Urges Jihad
Reuters
March 14, 2009
Editor’s note: Osama bin Laden died in late 2001. Report: Bin Laden
Already Dead. Pakistan’s Musharraf: Bin Laden probably dead.
Karzai: bin Laden ‘probably’ dead. FBI: Bin Laden ‘probably’ dead.
Magazine runs what it calls bin Laden’s will. Bush hints Osama bin
Laden probably dead.
Bhutto Confirms that Osama Bin Laden is Dead (video).
Bin Laden may be dead, but living on through old sound bites.
French secret service memo claims Bin Laden dead.
Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden accused moderate Arab leaders of
plotting with the West against Muslims and urged his followers to
prepare for jihad (holy war), in a recording aired by Al Jazeera
television.
It is clear that some Arab leaders have plotted with the Zionist-
crusader coalition against our (Muslim) people, these (Arab countries)
the United States calls the moderate states, bin Laden said, without
naming any of the leaders.
We must seriously work and prepare for jihad to enforce the right and
abolish the wrong, bin Laden said in the audio recording that was
aired on Saturday.
Bin Laden, who made a similar call for jihad on January 14, described
Israel’s offensive in Gaza and its attacks on the Palestinian
territory as a holocaust and said militants wanting to help Gazans
should support Iraqis fighting U.S.-led forces and Baghdad’s
government. from www.infowars.com
http://www.squidoo.com/tithes-and-offerings
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Kerry, Boxer: U.S. Needs Cap-and-Trade on Carbon Emissions Even if Energy Costs Rise
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Subject: Kerry, Boxer: U.S. Needs Cap-and-Trade on Carbon Emissions Even if
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A robot so tiny it can alter DNA code
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Obama extends olive branch to Taliban, then sticks a knife in our good ally, India Bare Naked Islams Weblog
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Subject: Obama extends olive branch to Taliban, then sticks a knife in our
good ally, India Bare Naked Islams Weblog
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Re: Well...Is He, or Isn’t He?
Hey SMR, I agree with what Mark has stated here, and although I haven't researched to verify this, I believe that in 1961, from a legal standpoint, I doubt very seriously that an infant was required to have had a Visa when traveling abroad with his mother. At a minimum, I feel confident that this was not an issue that was focused upon by Customs Officials in 1961. Again, SMR, you are either intentionally dodging the main issue, or you are ambivalent to itMark also touched upon this issue more succinctly than I am probably attempting to do, but there has been a legitimate challenge, (over 32 petitions in federal courts, and literally hundreds in State Courts) challenging the validity of President Obama's presidency, alleging that Obama is not a natural born citizen. Strictly looking at the four corners of any of the Complaints (at least the petitions that I have reveiwed) that have been filed, there is compelling evidence that would lead any reasonable person to believe that President Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen. (I also know and acknoweledge that there are a lot of claims in some of the petitions that are not legitimate, and some of these allegations I learned that were not legitimate, came from information that I gleaned from your posts here and in Euwetopia, (and I am appreciative!!) Nevertheless, any President gives up a certain amount of privacy rights, which comes with the Office of the President. There is no question that you and I both have a right to know whether President Obama is a natural born citizen, and again, I don't believe that it has been proven or established that President Obama was born in Hawaii, (again, as Mark pointed out, only that his birth was registered in Hawaii shortly after his birth). As stated, it is very clear what needs to be done, to put an end to this discussion, and silence all of the naysayers, which you would think the President and the Democratic National Committee would have wanted to do in order to avoid any controversy! Produce the Birth Certificate! Respectfully, nothing you wrote regarding the President's and the DNC's refusal to provide and make available the information regarding President Obama's birthplace is at all convincing. On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:02 AM, smrstrauss smrstra...@aol.com wrote: Re: Why would you, or any other American, including President Obama be opposed to releasing the vaulted birth certificate? Two main reasons, (1) if I want something does that mean that I would get it? Say I want the Cubs to win the world series. I want, but I do not expect. In this case, the government of Hawaii says that it will send out only the COLB. So wanting may have no effect. No, Hawaii says it will send only the information that cooincides with the request. If the afadavit was requested it would include it (or exclude if one does not exist and note that on the COLB issued) (2) Why should I want something if the essential facts of what I want have already been provided to me? In the COLB it says that Obama was born in Hawaii. No. it lists A date and A place that is sworn to by the mother for up to one year after A birth. and registers it as any other birth. This is why the afadavit is necessary. Local papers print whatever GENERIC info is on the registration... not what is contained i n the afadavit. That is not a lie, nor is the document forged. And, in 1961 it was not possible to register a foreign birth in Hawaii. I have posted the LAW on this thread that says it was indeed. It simply carried a penalty if it was proven that someone did so. Some have said that there was a loophole for late registrations of birth, but we know that Obamas' birth was officially registered four days after he was born. We KNOW there was a registration date Obama has steadfastly refused to ask for the release of the afadavit on which the registration is based. (doctors or mothers) We also know from Lori that Hawaii insisted on proof of birth in Hawaii if a person were born outside of a hospital. Not releasable under HRS 303 unless requested by blood relative. (3) Therefore, he must have been born in Hawaii. Therefore a blood relative has not requested the afadavit of birth. (4) Thus I already have proof that he was born in Hawaii and even if I wanted more, I would not be sure of getting it, because Hawaii says it does not send it out--not even to the people who ask for their own birth certificates. Wrong for seventy five years after birth registration that is by lawthe only person to whom they will release it. Some other reasons why Obama does not ask for more than the COLB. (1) The COLB is sufficient to legally prove birth in Hawaii It is not proof of natural born status... it is... as presented.. proof of REGISTRATION only. (2) Hawaii sends out only the COLB to
Re: Love how the true believers think this is a nothing thing
Michelle also made an offensive gaffe this week by mentioning being teased for talking like a White girl to Black students. Amazing to me whose grandparents made the leap to proper English and American civics in one generation while Blacks have been here 400 years. Plus we now have to contend with several languages- the most prominent being Spanish- and ethnic diversities in order to be pc. I think it has had a pernicious effect on our country. On Mar 21, 9:59�am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: � Sarah Palin attacks President Obama over 'Special Olympics' crack on � 'Tonight Show with Jay Leno' BY Michael Saul http://www.nydailynews.com/authors/Michael%20Saul DAILY NEWS POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT Saturday, March 21st 2009, 4:00 AM Alaska Governor Sarah Palin was quick to strike at President Obama over his 'Tonight Show' joke. Cain/Getty Alaska Governor Sarah Palin was quick to strike at President Obama over his 'Tonight Show' joke. � � Take our Poll � � Obama's 'Special' Offense Did you think that President Obama's joke regarding the 'Special Olympics' was in bad taste? Yes. As President, he should be setting a better example. No. It was a harmless joke. � � Related News � � � Articles � � * Hinckley: Gaffe or no, Leno a win for Obama � � � http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2009/03/20/2009-03-20_hig... � � * Obama shares laughs goals with Leno � � � http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/03/19/2009-03-19_presid... � � * Barack's sorry for 'insensitive' Special Olympics dig � � � http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/03/19/2009-03-19_presid... � � * Eye on 2009 or 2012? Palin rejects some serious loot � � � http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/03/20/2009-03-20_alaska_governo... � � * Molloy: Dog pic should give Obama paws � � � http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/2009/03/19/2009-03-19_president_... Shame on you, Mr. President. That was the scolding Barack Obama http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Barack+Obama took from disability advocates for joking Thursday that his bowling skills were worthy of the Special Olympics http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Special+Olympics+International+Inc. or something. This was a degrading remark about our world's most precious and unique people, coming from the most powerful position in the world, fumed former GOP http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/U.S.+Republican+Party veep pick and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Sarah+Palin, whose youngest son, Trig, has Down syndrome. These athletes overcome more challenges, discrimination and adversity than most of us ever will, she added. Special Olympics boss Tim Shriver http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Tim+Shriver said Obama's off-color quip was a learning opportunity. It's important to see that words hurt and words do matter, Shriver told ABC http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/ABC+Inc.'s Good Morning America http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Good+Morning+America Friday. Obama, appearing on NBC http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/NBC+Universal+Inc.'s The Tonight Show http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/The+Tonight+Show+with+Jay+Leno, was needled by host Jay Leno http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Jay+Leno over his pitiful bowling performance during the campaign. The President said he'd been practicing, yet still only tallied a dismal 129 - It was like the Special Olympics or something. Obama quickly realized he'd screwed up. He called Shriver to say sorry, and the White House http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/The+White+House issued an apology. Kelly Schultes, a New York Special Olympian who participates in several events, wasn't quick to forgive. He needs to understand that a comment like that - in this day and age - is really not appropriate, said Schultes http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Kelly+Schultes, who has Asperger syndrome. Others spared Obama grief for his gutter-ball remark. He's a cool guy. He's an awesome President and he has a very nice wife, said Kolan McConiughey http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Kolan+McConiughey, 35, who has bowled five perfect games since 2005 and snagged six Special Olympics medals. McConiughey told the Daily News he'd love to be invited to the White House and give the President some pointers. McConiughey's mom, Jan Pardy http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Jan+Pardy, said Obama's remark was a brain burp, and all of us have those. White House spokesman Robert Gibbs http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Robert+Gibbs said the President has received the message. I think he understands that they deserve a lot better than the thoughtless joke that he made [Thursday] night, Gibbs said. And he apologizes for that. ms...@nydailynews.com mailto:ms...@nydailynews.com Ads by Yahoo! http://sem.smallbusiness.yahoo.com/searchenginemarketing/ � � * Email � � � http://www.nydailynews.com/nydn/emailArticle.do?storyUrl=%2Fnews%2Fpo...
Re: Even the Globe gets it on Special Needs but some supporters still don't
Only a retarded moron that can't even operate a wheelchair would find
that offensive. To not be able to express oneself in undeniable terms
is rediculous even to the deaf (just what the fuck do they say and do
with those fingers ?? If they swear do they have to wash their hands
with soap ??
On Mar 21, 9:02 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote:
Marianne Leone
The Boston Globe http://www.boston.com/news/globe/
Special needs aren't funny, Mr. Obama
President Obama's ''joke'' was a knife-in-the-heart moment for many
parents. President Obama's ''joke'' was a knife-in-the-heart moment for
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PRESIDENT OBAMA made an off-the-teleprompter remark on The Tonight Show
with Jay Leno on Thursday that wasn't the least bit funny. Joking that
his bowling skills were like the Special Olympics was one of those
knife-in-the-heart moments that parents of mentally challenged children
live with every day.
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Obama's presidency was hailed for breaking stereotypes. We have had a
disabled president - Franklin Delano Roosevelt - but the fact that he
used a wheelchair was kept hidden.
Now we have a cool president, and racial slurs are supposed to be
banished forever, but it's still OK to make fun of retards. After all,
our president does it. On national television.
All over the progressive blogosphere, the Obama supporters who retired
to the fainting couch over racial slights are quick to tell the disabled
community to get over it.
A poll on the Huffington Post has 28 percent agreeing it was just a
light-hearted, self-deprecating comment. Get over it, people.
Twenty-six percent agreed that it was Maybe a dumb thing to say, but he
didn't mean it in a mean-spirited way, and it is pretty funny. And 23
percent wondered, Why are we even talking about this?
We're talking about this because words have power, and because Obama
promised change, and to be a leader, not a comedian.
There is little doubt that we'll be seeing lots of wheelchairs in photo
ops at the White House in the coming weeks and Michelle Obama will have
her arms around a lot of children with Down syndrome. But no stereotypes
will have been broken by this new president in the area of public
perception of children with disabilities. Not when they are used as a
punch line on national television in a joke.
Obama apologized to the chairman of the Special Olympics, Tim Shriver,
who regards this gaffe as a teachable moment. But here's what Obama
should learn from this: Stop your cringe-inducing attempts at humor, and
try to bring about the change you promised when I voted for you. And
don't go off the teleprompter again anytime soon. It makes you sound. .
. not so smart.
/Marianne Leone is an actress and writer living on the South Shore. /
© Copyright 2009 Globe Newspaper Company.
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I don't get it, Special Olympic atheletes try really hard and have a lot
of heart but aren't ever going to be the best in the world. Funny, Obama
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I don't get it, Special Olympic atheletes try really hard and have a lot
of heart but aren't ever going to be the best in the world. Funny, Obama
is trying really hard to bowl but isn't ever going to be the best in the
world. I think he's probably 100% accurate in his description.
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Science fiction brought to life. the replicators from Star Gate
Command. shades of colonel o'niell
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Re: Even the Globe gets it on Special Needs but some supporters still don't
You have obviously not noticed all the PC krep that we are stuck with
now. Someone mentions nappy-haired and he temporarily loses his job
and is only brought back under sufferance and our wonderful liberals go
ballistic on him. Now The One skews up and talks about retards and we
are just supposed to say it doesn't mean anything. Sorry, but as one
who had a niece who was told that because of physical disabilities she
would not live 6 weeks and she lived almost 50 years paralyzed from the
waist down and having to have almost 300 operations just to keep her
alive I very much resent the facile remarks from this idiot we have as
president piled up on top of all the other things he has said and done.
I am beginning to think he has Asperger's Disease. He surely does not
seem to be able to conduct himself in public too well and his idea of
proper gifts to our major allies and the way to treat them is not
exactly of the type to make him a good role model. But he is The One so
we are just supposed to overlook all these missteps. He is just new to
the job or some such thing. Of course the fact that 43 other people all
were also new to the job at one time and did not do things as bad as
this creep has done means nothing. We have to make allowances or so we
are told by those who were stupid enough to vote for him.
THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote:
Only a retarded moron that can't even operate a wheelchair would find
that offensive. To not be able to express oneself in undeniable terms
is rediculous even to the deaf (just what the fuck do they say and do
with those fingers ?? If they swear do they have to wash their hands
with soap ??
On Mar 21, 9:02 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote:
Marianne Leone
The Boston Globe http://www.boston.com/news/globe/
Special needs aren't funny, Mr. Obama
President Obama's ''joke'' was a knife-in-the-heart moment for many
parents.President Obama's ''joke'' was a knife-in-the-heart moment
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PRESIDENT OBAMA made an off-the-teleprompter remark on The Tonight Show
with Jay Leno on Thursday that wasn't the least bit funny. Joking that
his bowling skills were like the Special Olympics was one of those
knife-in-the-heart moments that parents of mentally challenged children
live with every day.
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Obama's presidency was hailed for breaking stereotypes. We have had a
disabled president - Franklin Delano Roosevelt - but the fact that he
used a wheelchair was kept hidden.
Now we have a cool president, and racial slurs are supposed to be
banished forever, but it's still OK to make fun of retards. After all,
our president does it. On national television.
All over the progressive blogosphere, the Obama supporters who retired
to the fainting couch over racial slights are quick to tell the disabled
community to get over it.
A poll on the Huffington Post has 28 percent agreeing it was just a
light-hearted, self-deprecating comment. Get over it, people.
Twenty-six percent agreed that it was Maybe a dumb thing to say, but he
didn't mean it in a mean-spirited way, and it is pretty funny. And 23
percent wondered, Why are we even talking about this?
We're talking about this because words have power, and because Obama
promised change, and to be a leader, not a comedian.
There is little doubt that we'll be seeing lots of wheelchairs in photo
ops at the White House in the coming weeks and Michelle Obama will have
her arms around a lot of children with Down syndrome. But no stereotypes
will have been broken by this new president in the area of public
perception of children with disabilities. Not when they are used as a
punch line on national television in a joke.
Obama apologized to the chairman of the Special Olympics, Tim Shriver,
who regards this gaffe as a teachable moment. But here's what Obama
should learn from this: Stop your cringe-inducing attempts at humor, and
try to bring about the change you promised when I voted for you. And
don't go off the teleprompter again anytime soon. It makes you sound. .
. not so smart.
/Marianne Leone is an actress and writer living on the South Shore. /
© Copyright 2009 Globe
Supposedly ACORN is behind this bus tour - I would hope the local cops would stop this krep before they get to the actual homes of the AIG people
Saturday, March 21, 2009 Busload of ACORN Crazies Tour AIG Homes This Weekend A busload of leftist crazies are going to take a bus tour this weekend that will make stops at the homes of AIG executives. The New York Magazine reported: Less than a year ago, the most repellent area bus tour we knew of was the one that induced Sex and the Citycrazed tourists to put $40 on their Citi cards for a cupcake and a glimpse at Carrie Bradshaw's brownstone. How times have changed! Now, everyone's clamoring aboard the Populist Rage Bus. The Connecticut Working Families Party this weekend has organized a bus store that will make stops at Wilton, Connecticut, AIG office as well as the security-patrolled homes of AIG execs who are fearing for their lives. "We're going to be peaceful and lawful in everything we do," said Jon Green, the director of Connecticut Working Families. "I know there's a lot of anger and a lot of rage about what's happened. We're not looking to foment that unnecessarily, but what we want to do is give folks in Bridgeport and Hartford and other parts of Connecticut who are struggling and losing their homes and their jobs and their health insurance an opportunity to see what kinds of lifestyle billions of dollars in credit-default swaps can buy." Fausta reported that ACORN is behind the tour. Figures. More... They Came for the AIG Bonuses, but I was not an AIG Employee... posted by Gateway Pundit at 3/21/2009 10:56:00 AM Comments (16) | Trackback Trackback
Re: Even the Globe gets it on Special Needs but some supporters still don't
: How do you get a retard to commit suicide?
A: Put a knife in his hand and ask him Who’s Special?
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 3:34 PM, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.netwrote:
You have obviously not noticed all the PC krep that we are stuck with
now. Someone mentions nappy-haired and he temporarily loses his job and is
only brought back under sufferance and our wonderful liberals go ballistic
on him. Now The One skews up and talks about retards and we are just
supposed to say it doesn't mean anything. Sorry, but as one who had a niece
who was told that because of physical disabilities she would not live 6
weeks and she lived almost 50 years paralyzed from the waist down and having
to have almost 300 operations just to keep her alive I very much resent the
facile remarks from this idiot we have as president piled up on top of all
the other things he has said and done. I am beginning to think he has
Asperger's Disease. He surely does not seem to be able to conduct himself
in public too well and his idea of proper gifts to our major allies and the
way to treat them is not exactly of the type to make him a good role model.
But he is The One so we are just supposed to overlook all these missteps.
He is just new to the job or some such thing. Of course the fact that 43
other people all were also new to the job at one time and did not do things
as bad as this creep has done means nothing. We have to make allowances or
so we are told by those who were stupid enough to vote for him.
THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote:
Only a retarded moron that can't even operate a wheelchair would find
that offensive. To not be able to express oneself in undeniable terms
is rediculous even to the deaf (just what the fuck do they say and do
with those fingers ?? If they swear do they have to wash their hands
with soap ??
On Mar 21, 9:02 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net
rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote:
Marianne Leone
The Boston Globe http://www.boston.com/news/globe/
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/
Special needs aren't funny, Mr. Obama
President Obama's ''joke'' was a knife-in-the-heart moment for many
parents.President Obama's ''joke'' was a knife-in-the-heart moment for
many parents. (Larry Downing/Reuters)
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PRESIDENT OBAMA made an off-the-teleprompter remark on The Tonight Show
with Jay Leno on Thursday that wasn't the least bit funny. Joking that
his bowling skills were like the Special Olympics was one of those
knife-in-the-heart moments that parents of mentally challenged children
live with every day.
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Obama's presidency was hailed for breaking stereotypes. We have had a
disabled president - Franklin Delano Roosevelt - but the fact that he
used a wheelchair was kept hidden.
Now we have a cool president, and racial slurs are supposed to be
banished forever, but it's still OK to make fun of retards. After all,
our president does it. On national television.
All over the progressive blogosphere, the Obama supporters who retired
to the fainting couch over racial slights are quick to tell the disabled
community to get over it.
A poll on the Huffington Post has 28 percent agreeing it was just a
light-hearted, self-deprecating comment. Get over it, people.
Twenty-six percent agreed that it was Maybe a dumb thing to say, but he
didn't mean it in a mean-spirited way, and it is pretty funny. And 23
percent wondered, Why are we even talking about this?
We're talking about this because words have power, and because Obama
promised change, and to be a leader, not a comedian.
There is little doubt that we'll be seeing lots of wheelchairs in photo
ops at the White House in the coming weeks and Michelle Obama will have
her arms around a lot of children with Down
Re: Even the Globe gets it on Special Needs but some supporters still don't
what is better than coming in first at the special olympics?
NOT being retarded 2
what the same between a retard and a slinky?
both are useless but you can still laugh as they tumble down the stairs 3
some people are like hiring the handicapped
they are fun to laugh at but the job will never get done
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote:
: How do you get a retard to commit suicide?
A: Put a knife in his hand and ask him Who’s Special?
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 3:34 PM, dick thompson
rhomp2...@earthlink.netwrote:
You have obviously not noticed all the PC krep that we are stuck with
now. Someone mentions nappy-haired and he temporarily loses his job and is
only brought back under sufferance and our wonderful liberals go ballistic
on him. Now The One skews up and talks about retards and we are just
supposed to say it doesn't mean anything. Sorry, but as one who had a niece
who was told that because of physical disabilities she would not live 6
weeks and she lived almost 50 years paralyzed from the waist down and having
to have almost 300 operations just to keep her alive I very much resent the
facile remarks from this idiot we have as president piled up on top of all
the other things he has said and done. I am beginning to think he has
Asperger's Disease. He surely does not seem to be able to conduct himself
in public too well and his idea of proper gifts to our major allies and the
way to treat them is not exactly of the type to make him a good role model.
But he is The One so we are just supposed to overlook all these missteps.
He is just new to the job or some such thing. Of course the fact that 43
other people all were also new to the job at one time and did not do things
as bad as this creep has done means nothing. We have to make allowances or
so we are told by those who were stupid enough to vote for him.
THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote:
Only a retarded moron that can't even operate a wheelchair would find
that offensive. To not be able to express oneself in undeniable terms
is rediculous even to the deaf (just what the fuck do they say and do
with those fingers ?? If they swear do they have to wash their hands
with soap ??
On Mar 21, 9:02 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net
rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote:
Marianne Leone
The Boston Globe http://www.boston.com/news/globe/
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/
Special needs aren't funny, Mr. Obama
President Obama's ''joke'' was a knife-in-the-heart moment for many
parents.President Obama's ''joke'' was a knife-in-the-heart moment
for
many parents. (Larry Downing/Reuters)
By Marianne
Leonehttp://search.boston.com/local/Search.do?s.sm.query=Marianne+Leoneca...
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PRESIDENT OBAMA made an off-the-teleprompter remark on The Tonight Show
with Jay Leno on Thursday that wasn't the least bit funny. Joking that
his bowling skills were like the Special Olympics was one of those
knife-in-the-heart moments that parents of mentally challenged children
live with every day.
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Obama's presidency was hailed for breaking stereotypes. We have had a
disabled president - Franklin Delano Roosevelt - but the fact that he
used a wheelchair was kept hidden.
Now we have a cool president, and racial slurs are supposed to be
banished forever, but it's still OK to make fun of retards. After all,
our president does it. On national television.
All over the progressive blogosphere, the Obama supporters who retired
to the fainting couch over racial slights are quick to tell the disabled
community to get over it.
A poll on the Huffington Post has 28 percent agreeing it was just a
light-hearted, self-deprecating comment. Get over it, people.
Twenty-six percent agreed that it was Maybe a dumb thing to say, but he
didn't mean it in a mean-spirited way, and it is pretty funny.
I think Tom Maguire at Just One Minute has this one nailed - and makes some great points
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Re: Even the Globe gets it on Special Needs but some supporters still don't
Nice to see you showing some real class. Guess you musta talked to
Bambi and Imus before you filled these in.
Mark wrote:
what is better than coming in first at the special olympics?
NOT being retarded 2
what the same between a retard and a slinky?
both are useless but you can still laugh as they tumble down the stairs 3
some people are like hiring the handicapped
they are fun to laugh at but the job will never get done
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Mark markmka...@gmail.com
mailto:markmka...@gmail.com wrote:
: How do you get a retard to commit suicide?
A: Put a knife in his hand and ask him Who’s Special?
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 3:34 PM, dick thompson
rhomp2...@earthlink.net mailto:rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote:
You have obviously not noticed all the PC krep that we are
stuck with now. Someone mentions nappy-haired and he
temporarily loses his job and is only brought back under
sufferance and our wonderful liberals go ballistic on him.
Now The One skews up and talks about retards and we are just
supposed to say it doesn't mean anything. Sorry, but as one
who had a niece who was told that because of physical
disabilities she would not live 6 weeks and she lived almost
50 years paralyzed from the waist down and having to have
almost 300 operations just to keep her alive I very much
resent the facile remarks from this idiot we have as president
piled up on top of all the other things he has said and done.
I am beginning to think he has Asperger's Disease. He surely
does not seem to be able to conduct himself in public too well
and his idea of proper gifts to our major allies and the way
to treat them is not exactly of the type to make him a good
role model. But he is The One so we are just supposed to
overlook all these missteps. He is just new to the job or
some such thing. Of course the fact that 43 other people all
were also new to the job at one time and did not do things as
bad as this creep has done means nothing. We have to make
allowances or so we are told by those who were stupid enough
to vote for him.
THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote:
Only a retarded moron that can't even operate a wheelchair would find
that offensive. To not be able to express oneself in undeniable terms
is rediculous even to the deaf (just what the fuck do they say and do
with those fingers ?? If they swear do they have to wash their hands
with soap ??
On Mar 21, 9:02 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net
mailto:rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote:
Marianne Leone
The Boston Globe http://www.boston.com/news/globe/
Special needs aren't funny, Mr. Obama
President Obama's ''joke'' was a knife-in-the-heart moment for many
parents.President Obama's ''joke'' was a knife-in-the-heart
moment for
many parents. (Larry Downing/Reuters)
By Marianne Leone
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PRESIDENT OBAMA made an off-the-teleprompter remark on The Tonight
Show
with Jay Leno on Thursday that wasn't the least bit funny. Joking
that
his bowling skills were like the Special Olympics was one of those
knife-in-the-heart moments that parents of mentally challenged
children
live with every day.
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Obama's presidency was hailed for breaking stereotypes. We have had
a
disabled president - Franklin Delano Roosevelt - but the fact that
he
used a wheelchair was kept hidden.
Now we have a cool president, and racial slurs are supposed to be
banished forever, but it's still OK to make fun of retards. After
all,
our president does it. On national television.
All over the progressive blogosphere, the Obama supporters who
retired
to
Re: Even the Globe gets it on Special Needs but some supporters still don't
This cute gThis cute guys finally gets this hot girl to go out with him but
he has to find a date for her friend. He agrees because the date is 2 days
away. To his surprise none of his friends could make it so he asks his
retarded brother. The brother says' I wouldn't know what to do.
The other brother says, Just do what I do.
So the brother agrees. The night of the date they drive out to Lover's
Point. The brother jumps in the back seat with his girlfriend while the
retard jumps in the front seat. He watches as his brother puts his hand down
the front of the girl's shirt, the retard does the same. He watches his
brother puts his hand between the girl's legs, the retard does the same. But
to his surprise its wet so he quickly pulls away his hand is now bloody. So
the retard pulls the girl to the front of the car and pulls out a first aid
kit. He pulls down her pants and says I'd be bleeding too if someone cut
off my penis.
uys finally gets this hot girl to go out with him but he has to find a date
for her friend. He agrees because the date is 2 days away. To his surprise
none of his friends could make it so he asks his retarded brother. The
brother says' I wouldn't know what to do.
The other brother says, Just do what I do.
So the brother agrees. The night of the date they drive out to Lover's
Point. The brother jumps in the back seat with his girlfriend while the
retard jumps in the front seat. He watches as his brother puts his hand down
the front of the girl's shirt, the retard does the same. He watches his
brother puts his hand between the girl's legs, the retard does the same. But
to his surprise its wet so he quickly pulls away his hand is now bloody. So
the retard pulls the girl to the front of the car and pulls out a first aid
kit. He pulls down her pants and says I'd be bleeding too if someone cut
off my penis.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote:
what is better than coming in first at the special olympics?
NOT being retarded 2
what the same between a retard and a slinky?
both are useless but you can still laugh as they tumble down the stairs 3
some people are like hiring the handicapped
they are fun to laugh at but the job will never get done
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote:
: How do you get a retard to commit suicide?
A: Put a knife in his hand and ask him Who’s Special?
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 3:34 PM, dick thompson
rhomp2...@earthlink.netwrote:
You have obviously not noticed all the PC krep that we are stuck with
now. Someone mentions nappy-haired and he temporarily loses his job and is
only brought back under sufferance and our wonderful liberals go ballistic
on him. Now The One skews up and talks about retards and we are just
supposed to say it doesn't mean anything. Sorry, but as one who had a niece
who was told that because of physical disabilities she would not live 6
weeks and she lived almost 50 years paralyzed from the waist down and having
to have almost 300 operations just to keep her alive I very much resent the
facile remarks from this idiot we have as president piled up on top of all
the other things he has said and done. I am beginning to think he has
Asperger's Disease. He surely does not seem to be able to conduct himself
in public too well and his idea of proper gifts to our major allies and the
way to treat them is not exactly of the type to make him a good role model.
But he is The One so we are just supposed to overlook all these missteps.
He is just new to the job or some such thing. Of course the fact that 43
other people all were also new to the job at one time and did not do things
as bad as this creep has done means nothing. We have to make allowances or
so we are told by those who were stupid enough to vote for him.
THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote:
Only a retarded moron that can't even operate a wheelchair would find
that offensive. To not be able to express oneself in undeniable terms
is rediculous even to the deaf (just what the fuck do they say and do
with those fingers ?? If they swear do they have to wash their hands
with soap ??
On Mar 21, 9:02 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net
rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote:
Marianne Leone
The Boston Globe http://www.boston.com/news/globe/
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/
Special needs aren't funny, Mr. Obama
President Obama's ''joke'' was a knife-in-the-heart moment for many
parents.President Obama's ''joke'' was a knife-in-the-heart moment
for
many parents. (Larry Downing/Reuters)
By Marianne
Leonehttp://search.boston.com/local/Search.do?s.sm.query=Marianne+Leoneca...
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Being politically correct is worse than being retarded.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 3:49 PM, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.netwrote:
Nice to see you showing some real class. Guess you musta talked to Bambi
and Imus before you filled these in.
Mark wrote:
what is better than coming in first at the special olympics?
NOT being retarded 2
what the same between a retard and a slinky?
both are useless but you can still laugh as they tumble down the stairs 3
some people are like hiring the handicapped
they are fun to laugh at but the job will never get done
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote:
: How do you get a retard to commit suicide?
A: Put a knife in his hand and ask him Who’s Special?
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 3:34 PM, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net
wrote:
You have obviously not noticed all the PC krep that we are stuck with
now. Someone mentions nappy-haired and he temporarily loses his job and is
only brought back under sufferance and our wonderful liberals go ballistic
on him. Now The One skews up and talks about retards and we are just
supposed to say it doesn't mean anything. Sorry, but as one who had a niece
who was told that because of physical disabilities she would not live 6
weeks and she lived almost 50 years paralyzed from the waist down and having
to have almost 300 operations just to keep her alive I very much resent the
facile remarks from this idiot we have as president piled up on top of all
the other things he has said and done. I am beginning to think he has
Asperger's Disease. He surely does not seem to be able to conduct himself
in public too well and his idea of proper gifts to our major allies and the
way to treat them is not exactly of the type to make him a good role model.
But he is The One so we are just supposed to overlook all these missteps.
He is just new to the job or some such thing. Of course the fact that 43
other people all were also new to the job at one time and did not do things
as bad as this creep has done means nothing. We have to make allowances or
so we are told by those who were stupid enough to vote for him.
THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote:
Only a retarded moron that can't even operate a wheelchair would find
that offensive. To not be able to express oneself in undeniable terms
is rediculous even to the deaf (just what the fuck do they say and do
with those fingers ?? If they swear do they have to wash their hands
with soap ??
On Mar 21, 9:02 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net
rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote:
Marianne Leone
The Boston Globe http://www.boston.com/news/globe/
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/
Special needs aren't funny, Mr. Obama
President Obama's ''joke'' was a knife-in-the-heart moment for many
parents.President Obama's ''joke'' was a knife-in-the-heart moment
for
many parents. (Larry Downing/Reuters)
By Marianne
Leonehttp://search.boston.com/local/Search.do?s.sm.query=Marianne+Leoneca...
http://search.boston.com/local/Search.do?s.sm.query=Marianne+Leoneca...
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PRESIDENT OBAMA made an off-the-teleprompter remark on The Tonight Show
with Jay Leno on Thursday that wasn't the least bit funny. Joking that
his bowling skills were like the Special Olympics was one of those
knife-in-the-heart moments that parents of mentally challenged children
live with every day.
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Obama's presidency was hailed for breaking stereotypes. We have had a
disabled president - Franklin Delano Roosevelt - but the fact that he
used a wheelchair was kept hidden.
Now we have a cool president, and racial slurs are supposed to be
banished forever, but it's still OK to make fun of retards. After all,
our president does it. On national television.
All over the progressive blogosphere, the Obama supporters who retired
to the fainting couch over racial slights are quick to tell the disabled
community to get
Re: Even the Globe gets it on Special Needs but some supporters still don't - here are a couple of quotes from your buds that I got from a good website
Tell that to Bambi when he comments about Imus next time. He pulled the same thing that is being said about him when he tried to get Imus fired. At the same time he has been making this retarded comments all along. From the high-minded Imus days... He didn't just cross the line, Obama said. He fed into some of the worst stereotypes that my two young daughters are having to deal with today in America. I'll be non-pc and offer this shrink's http://neoneocon.com/2009/03/20/whats-behind-obamas-teleprompter-addiction very insightful take on why Obama is forced to use TOTUS. She liberally quotes the late Dean Barnett on the real Obama, which includes a reminder of his sneering, How many [Joe] plumbers do you know that make $250,000 a year? Posted by: DebinNC http://neoneocon.com/2009/03/20/whats-behind-obamas-teleprompter-addiction/ | March 21, 2009 at 11:40 AM http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2009/03/pc-humor-and-obamas-special-olympics.html?cid=6a00d83451b2aa69e201156e33ff0f970c#comment-6a00d83451b2aa69e201156e33ff0f970c Right Deb. This isn't his first gaffe, but just the latest in a long string of condescending put downs of ordinary people. And Michelle does it too--ie her statement that she was unaware of the plight of military families and the infamous proud of her country bit. They just posted a greatest hits at the Chicago Tribune. Let's remember the bitter gun clingers, his grandma acting like a typical white person, and his claim that McCain was a techno-dunce because he COULDN'T use a keyboard (by the way, McCain is certainly taking to twitter! so there), the snarky giving of the middle finger during speeches, and the pig/lipstick comment. Least we forget, he almost lost the primary to Hillary because he appeared to be so out of touch and hypocritical. This isn't just an outlier, it's a documented pattern. Posted by: verner http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/biz/6278107.html | March 21, 2009 at 11:57 AM http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2009/03/pc-humor-and-obamas-special-olympics.html?cid=6a00d83451b2aa69e201156f2d49ab970b#comment-6a00d83451b2aa69e201156f2d49ab970b Mark wrote: Being politically correct is worse than being retarded. On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 3:49 PM, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net mailto:rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Nice to see you showing some real class. Guess you musta talked to Bambi and Imus before you filled these in. Mark wrote: what is better than coming in first at the special olympics? NOT being retarded 2 what the same between a retard and a slinky? both are useless but you can still laugh as they tumble down the stairs 3 some people are like hiring the handicapped they are fun to laugh at but the job will never get done On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Mark markmka...@gmail.com mailto:markmka...@gmail.com wrote: : How do you get a retard to commit suicide? A: Put a knife in his hand and ask him Who’s Special? On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 3:34 PM, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net mailto:rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: You have obviously not noticed all the PC krep that we are stuck with now. Someone mentions nappy-haired and he temporarily loses his job and is only brought back under sufferance and our wonderful liberals go ballistic on him. Now The One skews up and talks about retards and we are just supposed to say it doesn't mean anything. Sorry, but as one who had a niece who was told that because of physical disabilities she would not live 6 weeks and she lived almost 50 years paralyzed from the waist down and having to have almost 300 operations just to keep her alive I very much resent the facile remarks from this idiot we have as president piled up on top of all the other things he has said and done. I am beginning to think he has Asperger's Disease. He surely does not seem to be able to conduct himself in public too well and his idea of proper gifts to our major allies and the way to treat them is not exactly of the type to make him a good role model. But he is The One so we are just supposed to overlook all these missteps. He is just new to the job or some such thing. Of course the fact that 43 other people all were also new to the job at one time and did not do things as bad as this creep has done means nothing. We have to make allowances or so we are told by those who were stupid enough to vote for him. THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote: Only a retarded
Re: Love how the true believers think this is a nothing thing
And your thoughts are correct Rigs. We cannot have two distinct, much less three or four different cultures in our Nation. We can have only one culture, that of American. We are a melting pot, true, but that doesn't allow for multiple languages, or laws and culture that is counter to what our Anglo-American tendencies have been throughout the course of our history. On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 4:57 PM, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Michelle also made an offensive gaffe this week by mentioning being teased for talking like a White girl to Black students. Amazing to me whose grandparents made the leap to proper English and American civics in one generation while Blacks have been here 400 years. Plus we now have to contend with several languages- the most prominent being Spanish- and ethnic diversities in order to be pc. I think it has had a pernicious effect on our country. On Mar 21, 9:59�am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: � Sarah Palin attacks President Obama over 'Special Olympics' crack on � 'Tonight Show with Jay Leno' BY Michael Saul http://www.nydailynews.com/authors/Michael%20Saul DAILY NEWS POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT Saturday, March 21st 2009, 4:00 AM Alaska Governor Sarah Palin was quick to strike at President Obama over his 'Tonight Show' joke. Cain/Getty Alaska Governor Sarah Palin was quick to strike at President Obama over his 'Tonight Show' joke. � � Take our Poll � � Obama's 'Special' Offense Did you think that President Obama's joke regarding the 'Special Olympics' was in bad taste? Yes. As President, he should be setting a better example. No. It was a harmless joke. � � Related News � � � Articles � � * Hinckley: Gaffe or no, Leno a win for Obama � � � http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2009/03/20/2009-03-20_hig... � � * Obama shares laughs goals with Leno � � � http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/03/19/2009-03-19_presid... � � * Barack's sorry for 'insensitive' Special Olympics dig � � � http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/03/19/2009-03-19_presid... � � * Eye on 2009 or 2012? Palin rejects some serious loot � � � http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/03/20/2009-03-20_alaska_governo... � � * Molloy: Dog pic should give Obama paws � � � http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/2009/03/19/2009-03-19_president_... Shame on you, Mr. President. That was the scolding Barack Obama http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Barack+Obama took from disability advocates for joking Thursday that his bowling skills were worthy of the Special Olympics http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Special+Olympics+International+Inc. or something. This was a degrading remark about our world's most precious and unique people, coming from the most powerful position in the world, fumed former GOP http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/U.S.+Republican+Party veep pick and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Sarah+Palin, whose youngest son, Trig, has Down syndrome. These athletes overcome more challenges, discrimination and adversity than most of us ever will, she added. Special Olympics boss Tim Shriver http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Tim+Shriver said Obama's off-color quip was a learning opportunity. It's important to see that words hurt and words do matter, Shriver told ABC http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/ABC+Inc.'s Good Morning America http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Good+Morning+America Friday. Obama, appearing on NBC http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/NBC+Universal+Inc.'s The Tonight Show http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/The+Tonight+Show+with+Jay+Leno, was needled by host Jay Leno http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Jay+Leno over his pitiful bowling performance during the campaign. The President said he'd been practicing, yet still only tallied a dismal 129 - It was like the Special Olympics or something. Obama quickly realized he'd screwed up. He called Shriver to say sorry, and the White House http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/The+White+House issued an apology. Kelly Schultes, a New York Special Olympian who participates in several events, wasn't quick to forgive. He needs to understand that a comment like that - in this day and age - is really not appropriate, said Schultes http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Kelly+Schultes, who has Asperger syndrome. Others spared Obama grief for his gutter-ball remark. He's a cool guy. He's an awesome President and he has a very nice wife, said Kolan McConiughey http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Kolan+McConiughey, 35, who has bowled five perfect games since 2005 and snagged six Special Olympics medals. McConiughey told the Daily News he'd love to be invited to the White House and give the President some pointers. McConiughey's mom, Jan Pardy http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Jan+Pardy, said Obama's remark
Re: Taitz to FBI: Investigate 'tampering' at Supremes
These ass clowns are used to doing whatever they want in Chicago, and they are shocked when they are challenged on the national stage. Kind of like the old, Georgia Mafia from thirty years ago, which also proved to be a miserable failure. On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: Me either Doc. Me either. CW - Original Message - From: Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 08:10 Subject: Re: Taitz to FBI: Investigate 'tampering' at Supremes I put nothing past this so called president and his minions. nothing. On Mar 21, 7:37 am, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: Calling John Grisham!!! CW - Original Message - From: Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 07:06 Subject: Taitz to FBI: Investigate 'tampering' at Supremes A California attorney battling on a number of fronts to obtain documentation of Barack Obama's eligibility to be president is asking the FBI and U.S. Secret Service to investigate suspected tampering at the U.S. Supreme Court. Orly Taitz, who is pursuing nearly half a dozen causes through her Defend Our Freedoms Foundation, says the issue of Obama's eligibility to meet the Constitution's demand for a natural born president has been before the Supreme Court at least four times. But she wonders whether the justices actually were given the pleadings to review. I believe … that there was tampering with documents and records by employees of the Supreme Court and the justices never saw those briefs, she alleges in a letter to the FBI's Robert Mueller, the Secret Service's Mark Sullivan and Attorney General Eric Holder. Three hundred five million American citizens … need to know whether a foreign national is usurping the position of the president and the commander in chief, she wrote. Taitz raises questions about forgery of court records, tampering with court records, cyber crime, erasing of court records from the docket, fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud and other related crimes. Specifically, she points to the handling of her own case, Lightfoot v. Bowen, which was submitted to the Supreme Court on an emergency basis. Although it was scheduled for a conference, no hearing ever was held. Taitz notes that references to the case were erased from the docket of the Supreme Court on Jan. 21, shortly after Obama, the defendant, met with eight of the nine justices behind closed doors. It happened just two days before her case was scheduled to be reviewed in conference. Secondly, Taitz notes that in her conversation with Justice Antonin Scalia at a book-signing in Los Angeles several weeks ago, he appeared to have no knowledge of the cases that had been submitted. She said she mentioned her case and those brought by Cort Wrotnowski, Philip Berg and Leo Donofrio. In the presence of several attorneys, law students and Secret Service agents Justice Scalia kept saying that he didn't know anything … even though all of the plaintiffs have received notification that all of those cases were reviewed by all nine justices, she said. Taitz said she's also concerned that the Supreme Court docket was somehow modified. Did somebody from outside break and enter into the computer system of the Supreme Court or was it done by one of the overzealous employees who wanted to keep Obama in the White House? she asked. I demand to see the printout of entries of both internal docket seen by justices and the external docket seen by the public to verify if those were identical at all times, particularly between January 20th and January 23rd, she said. She also raised the possibility that justices' signatures may have been stamped on documentation. http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=92393 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Top 10 gaffes by Barack Obama and Joe Biden by a former supporter from Britain
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Re: Love how the true believers think this is a nothing thing
Having lived in Kansas in the '60's, I cannot imagine a White woman marrying a Black so I think Obama has an identity crisis he tries to cover but can't. He reminds me of that Muslim that tossed the grenade into his army buddies at the beginning of our invasion of Iraq. His proposal to oversee salaries and bonuses may hit him like a boomerang as capitalists/banks can topple him should they choose to do so. He has been fanning class, race and sexist rage since the primaries.//The same mess has happened in Europe with Muslim and African immigrants- Europe is also at risk of losing its culture and heritage. On Mar 21, 5:51�pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: And your thoughts are correct Rigs. � We cannot have two distinct, much less three or four different cultures in our Nation. �We can have only one culture, that of American. �We are a melting pot, true, but that doesn't allow for multiple languages, or laws and culture that is counter to what our Anglo-American tendencies have been throughout the course of our history. On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 4:57 PM, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Michelle also made an offensive gaffe this week by mentioning being teased for talking like a White girl to Black students. Amazing to me whose grandparents made the leap to proper English and American civics in one generation while Blacks have been here 400 years. Plus we now have to contend with several languages- the most prominent being Spanish- and ethnic diversities in order to be pc. I think it has had a pernicious effect on our country. On Mar 21, 9:59 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Sarah Palin attacks President Obama over 'Special Olympics' crack on 'Tonight Show with Jay Leno' BY Michael Saul http://www.nydailynews.com/authors/Michael%20Saul DAILY NEWS POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT Saturday, March 21st 2009, 4:00 AM Alaska Governor Sarah Palin was quick to strike at President Obama over his 'Tonight Show' joke. Cain/Getty Alaska Governor Sarah Palin was quick to strike at President Obama over his 'Tonight Show' joke. Take our Poll Obama's 'Special' Offense Did you think that President Obama's joke regarding the 'Special Olympics' was in bad taste? Yes. As President, he should be setting a better example. No. It was a harmless joke. Related News Articles * Hinckley: Gaffe or no, Leno a win for Obama http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2009/03/20/2009-03-20_hig... * Obama shares laughs goals with Leno http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/03/19/2009-03-19_presid... * Barack's sorry for 'insensitive' Special Olympics dig http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/03/19/2009-03-19_presid... * Eye on 2009 or 2012? Palin rejects some serious loot http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/03/20/2009-03-20_alaska_governo... * Molloy: Dog pic should give Obama paws http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/2009/03/19/2009-03-19_president_... Shame on you, Mr. President. That was the scolding Barack Obama http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Barack+Obama took from disability advocates for joking Thursday that his bowling skills were worthy of the Special Olympics http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Special+Olympics+International+Inc. or something. This was a degrading remark about our world's most precious and unique people, coming from the most powerful position in the world, fumed former GOP http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/U.S.+Republican+Party veep pick and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Sarah+Palin, whose youngest son, Trig, has Down syndrome. These athletes overcome more challenges, discrimination and adversity than most of us ever will, she added. Special Olympics boss Tim Shriver http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Tim+Shriver said Obama's off-color quip was a learning opportunity. It's important to see that words hurt and words do matter, Shriver told ABC http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/ABC+Inc.'s Good Morning America http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Good+Morning+America Friday. Obama, appearing on NBC http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/NBC+Universal+Inc.'s The Tonight Show http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/The+Tonight+Show+with+Jay+Leno, was needled by host Jay Leno http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Jay+Leno over his pitiful bowling performance during the campaign. The President said he'd been practicing, yet still only tallied a dismal 129 - It was like the Special Olympics or something. Obama quickly realized he'd screwed up. He called Shriver to say sorry, and the White House http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/The+White+House issued an apology. Kelly Schultes, a New York Special Olympian who participates in several events, wasn't quick to forgive. He needs to understand that a comment like that - in this day
Re: Love how the true believers think this is a nothing thing
Our Consitution was not written in French, Spanish or hip-hop. On Mar 21, 5:51�pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: And your thoughts are correct Rigs. � We cannot have two distinct, much less three or four different cultures in our Nation. �We can have only one culture, that of American. �We are a melting pot, true, but that doesn't allow for multiple languages, or laws and culture that is counter to what our Anglo-American tendencies have been throughout the course of our history. On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 4:57 PM, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Michelle also made an offensive gaffe this week by mentioning being teased for talking like a White girl to Black students. Amazing to me whose grandparents made the leap to proper English and American civics in one generation while Blacks have been here 400 years. Plus we now have to contend with several languages- the most prominent being Spanish- and ethnic diversities in order to be pc. I think it has had a pernicious effect on our country. On Mar 21, 9:59 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Sarah Palin attacks President Obama over 'Special Olympics' crack on 'Tonight Show with Jay Leno' BY Michael Saul http://www.nydailynews.com/authors/Michael%20Saul DAILY NEWS POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT Saturday, March 21st 2009, 4:00 AM Alaska Governor Sarah Palin was quick to strike at President Obama over his 'Tonight Show' joke. Cain/Getty Alaska Governor Sarah Palin was quick to strike at President Obama over his 'Tonight Show' joke. Take our Poll Obama's 'Special' Offense Did you think that President Obama's joke regarding the 'Special Olympics' was in bad taste? Yes. As President, he should be setting a better example. No. It was a harmless joke. Related News Articles * Hinckley: Gaffe or no, Leno a win for Obama http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2009/03/20/2009-03-20_hig... * Obama shares laughs goals with Leno http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/03/19/2009-03-19_presid... * Barack's sorry for 'insensitive' Special Olympics dig http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/03/19/2009-03-19_presid... * Eye on 2009 or 2012? Palin rejects some serious loot http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/03/20/2009-03-20_alaska_governo... * Molloy: Dog pic should give Obama paws http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/2009/03/19/2009-03-19_president_... Shame on you, Mr. President. That was the scolding Barack Obama http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Barack+Obama took from disability advocates for joking Thursday that his bowling skills were worthy of the Special Olympics http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Special+Olympics+International+Inc. or something. This was a degrading remark about our world's most precious and unique people, coming from the most powerful position in the world, fumed former GOP http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/U.S.+Republican+Party veep pick and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Sarah+Palin, whose youngest son, Trig, has Down syndrome. These athletes overcome more challenges, discrimination and adversity than most of us ever will, she added. Special Olympics boss Tim Shriver http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Tim+Shriver said Obama's off-color quip was a learning opportunity. It's important to see that words hurt and words do matter, Shriver told ABC http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/ABC+Inc.'s Good Morning America http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Good+Morning+America Friday. Obama, appearing on NBC http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/NBC+Universal+Inc.'s The Tonight Show http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/The+Tonight+Show+with+Jay+Leno, was needled by host Jay Leno http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Jay+Leno over his pitiful bowling performance during the campaign. The President said he'd been practicing, yet still only tallied a dismal 129 - It was like the Special Olympics or something. Obama quickly realized he'd screwed up. He called Shriver to say sorry, and the White House http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/The+White+House issued an apology. Kelly Schultes, a New York Special Olympian who participates in several events, wasn't quick to forgive. He needs to understand that a comment like that - in this day and age - is really not appropriate, said Schultes http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Kelly+Schultes, who has Asperger syndrome. Others spared Obama grief for his gutter-ball remark. He's a cool guy. He's an awesome President and he has a very nice wife, said Kolan McConiughey http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Kolan+McConiughey, 35, who has bowled five perfect games since 2005 and snagged six Special Olympics medals. McConiughey told the Daily News he'd love to be invited to the White House and give the
Re: Surprised at this?
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Re: The Spectator Stop The Debates!
Now link these two (Jefferson and Hamilton) and you can see how materialism / corporatism came out of literal biblical / superstition while family and self sufficiency / the virtues of community would have come from Jefferson The Jefferson Bible. It seems for now after we've spent 200 years in materialism that Jefferson was right. The devil in the works of superstition always! snip In his only book, Notes on the State of Virginia (1787), Jefferson urged readers to resist the factory life of large European cities and stay on the land. Those who labour in the earth are the chosen people of God, if ever he had a chosen people, whose breasts he has made his peculiar deposit for substantial and genuine virtue, Jefferson wrote in the famous chapter called Manufactures. Farmers intuit the laws of God within the laws of nature, and so become virtuous, he reasoned. They are, by the nature of their work, resourceful, neighborly, independent. They are the elemental caretakers of the world. Nor do they succumb to the crude opinions of the masses. But the farmer is free-thinking and inquisitive. The manufacturer, by contrast, is a specialist, a cog, a wage slave. Dependence, Jefferson concluded, begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition. A manufacturer cannot be a citizen of a democracy, only a consumer within an oligarchy. Four years later, Hamilton submitted to Congress his Report on Manufactures, in which he dismissed Jefferson's agrarian vision in favor of developing industry, division of labor, child labor, protective tariffs, and prohibitions on many imported manufactured goods. Today, fewer than 1 percent of Americans work on farms, and many of those are huge, industrial farms that generate massive amounts of toxic by-products. That Jefferson's self-reliant farmer is so unrecognizable to us today is evidence enough, should we need any, that we have inherited Hamilton's America, not Jefferson's. more.. The difference between Jefferson and Hamilton is the difference between a version of Christianity based on Jesus' life and death and Resurrection, and one based on his teachings. Or to put it another way, it is a difference between where one locates basileia tou theou— the kingdom of God. Is it, as Luke's gospel says, in the midst of you (17:21), or is it, as John's gospel claimed, a reward saved for the sweet hereafter? To live by Jesus' teachings would be to live virtuously as stewards of the land; it would be to create an economy based on compassion, cooperation, and conservation; it would be to preserve the Creation as the kingdom of God. Jefferson was proposing a country of countrysides, a pastorale in which we would want to live; Hamilton was giving us a nation of factories from i which we would want —perhaps in the end need—to be saved. Thomas is the Aramaic word for twin. That Thomas Jefferson's version of Christianity actually found a twin gospel—one that included no miracles, no claims of divinity, but only the teachings of Jesus— hidden beneath an Egyptian cliff, and that this ancient gospel was also recorded by a man known as Thomas, makes for a remarkable story. Sometime near the end of the nineteenth century, two British archaeologists, Bernard P. Grenfell and Arthur S. Hunt, were searching through an ancient trash heap along the Nile River, at a site known as Oxyrhynchus, when they found three small papyrus leaves. One of the fragments read, These are the [ ] sayings [ ] the living Jesus spoke [ ] also called Thomas [ ]. New Testament scholars had long known that there once existed a Gospel of Thomas because in the third century Hippolytus denounced such a text in his Refutation of All Heresies. And because Thomas's gospel ran afoul of the early Church bishops, particularly Irenaeus, most copies of it were likely destroyed. In 1945, 150 miles upstream near another river town called Nag Hammadi, an Egyptian farmer named Muhammad `Ali al-Samman was guiding his camel beneath the nitrogen-rich cliffs that line the Nile, collecting fertilizer for his fields. As he dug at the base of one cliff, Muhammad `Ali found a sealed jug, obviously ancient. Fearing a jinn but hoping for gold, he broke the jar open with his mattock. He found neither. What fell out were twelve books (codices), made from papyrus and bound in leather. Figuring the manuscripts might be worth something, Muhammad `Ali gathered them up in his turban and carried them home. According to New Testament scholar James M. Robinson, who has pieced this whole story together, Muhammad 'Ali's mother used some of the leaves from the books to ignite their out-door clay oven. Muhammad `Ali traded others for oranges and cigarettes. Meanwhile, shortly after the discovery, Muhammad `Ali and his brothers hacked to death a man they claimed had killed their father six months earlier. But when local police started poking around, asking about the
Why are Western nations sabotaging home sourced and alternative energy options?
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Subject: Why are Western nations sabotaging home sourced and alternative
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Iran's leader dismisses Obama offer
Khamenei knows Obama is full of bolonga and that's a scary thought. OMG, Change we can believe in?? My arse, it's more of the same ole crap, just a different arse in charge! rolling eyes Iran's supreme leader has dismissed overtures from the US president, saying Tehran does not see any change in US policy under Barack Obama's administration. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said in a speech on Saturday that there could be no change in US-Iran relations unless Obama puts an end to US hostility towards Iran and brings real changes in US foreign policy. He made the remarks in a televised speech in the city of Mashhad to mark the Iranian New Year. Commenting on Obama's videotaped offer of a new beginning in relations between the two countries, Khamenei said Iran has yet to see any change in Washington's attitude towards it. They chant the slogan of change but no change is seen in practice. We haven't seen any change, he said. Khamenei criticised US behaviour towards Iran since its 1979 Islamic revolution, saying that the US was hated in the world and should stop interfering in other countries' internal affairs. He asked how Obama could congratulate Iranians on the new year while the US continues to accuse the country of supporting terrorism and seeking nuclear weapons. Saying that a change of US words was not enough, Khamenei said: We will watch and we will judge ... You change, our behaviour will change. Nuclear disagreement The US is at odds with Iran over its nuclear programme, which Washington says is aimed at building atomic weapons, while Tehran insists it is for the peaceful generation of electricity. It is also concerned over Iran's missile-development efforts. The US cut off diplomatic ties with Iran during the 1979-1981 hostage crisis, in which a group of Iranian students held 52 US diplomats hostage at the American embassy for 444 days. Read more: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/03/200932184033678481.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Well...Is He, or Isn’t He?
Re: I doubt very seriously that an infant was required to have had a Visa when traveling abroad with his mother. ' I suppose that you are thinking of a US infant traveling out of the USA. No, what you are talking about in this scenario is a Kenyan infant traveling to the USA. And infant born in Kenya would be considered a Kenyan (British subject at the time), or it is possible but less likely that he could be considered a US citizen born in Kenya (though many point out that his mother was not old enough to confer citizenship). In the latter case, he could get a US passport in Kenya or be added to his mother's US passport. BUT he could not travel to the USA without any travel document. He would have to have either a visa or a US passport. So who would decide? Not the US consulate in Kenya. It would have to be at the Sate Department in Washington--so cable traffic back and forth (long before e-mail). And it was in August, when Washington DC slows down to a crawl. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Well...Is He, or Isn’t He?
Re: there is compelling evidence that would lead any reasonable person to believe that President Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen. Baloney! There is no proof that Obama was born in Kenya. There is official proof that he was born in Hawaii. When you prove the contrary show me. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Well...Is He, or Isn’t He?
Re: only that his birth was registered in Hawaii shortly after his birth. Since Hawaii did not register foreign births at the time, the place of his birth had to be Hawaii. Mark keeps saying that a birth can be registered a year after the birth. But in this case it was registered four days after his birth-- shown on the COLB--and the notice in the newspaper, which was generated by the Department of Vital Records, appeared in the newspapers ten days after his birth. Stanley Obama could not have lied about the place of birth because it was impossible for her to get back from Kenya and produce fraudulent evidence--which Hawaii demanded--that he was born in Hawaii. Instead, the evidence came to the Department of Health and then to the Department of Vital Records in the normal way, from the hospital. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Iran's leader dismisses Obama offer
We have crippled Iraq- Iran's chief rival. Why would Obama think Iran has to respond to a peace gesture? They can wait us out. Besides, the new administration is undercutting Israel. On Mar 21, 7:57�pm, Mrs. Rabbit mrs.whiterab...@gmail.com wrote: Khamenei knows Obama is full of bolonga and that's a scary thought. OMG, Change we can believe in?? �My arse, it's more of the same ole crap, just a different arse in charge! �rolling eyes Iran's supreme leader has dismissed overtures from the US president, saying Tehran does not see any change in US policy under Barack Obama's administration. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said in a speech on Saturday that there could be no change in US-Iran relations unless Obama puts an end to US hostility towards Iran and brings real changes in US foreign policy. He made the remarks in a televised speech in the city of Mashhad to mark the Iranian New Year. Commenting on Obama's videotaped offer of a new beginning in relations between the two countries, Khamenei said Iran has yet to see any change in Washington's attitude towards it. They chant the slogan of change but no change is seen in practice. We haven't seen any change, he said. Khamenei criticised US behaviour towards Iran since its 1979 Islamic revolution, saying that the US was hated in the world and should stop interfering in other countries' internal affairs. He asked how Obama could congratulate Iranians on the new year while the US continues to accuse the country of supporting terrorism and seeking nuclear weapons. Saying that a change of US words was not enough, Khamenei said: �We will watch and we will judge ... You change, our behaviour will change. Nuclear disagreement The US is at odds with Iran over its nuclear programme, which Washington says is aimed at building atomic weapons, while Tehran insists it is for the peaceful generation of electricity. It is also concerned over Iran's missile-development efforts. The US cut off diplomatic ties with Iran during the 1979-1981 hostage crisis, in which a group of Iranian students held 52 US diplomats hostage at the American embassy for 444 days. Read more:http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/03/200932184033678481... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Well...Is He, or Isn’t He?
Re: There is no question that you and I both have a right to know whether President Obama is a natural born citizen. Absolutely, and we have had our right fulfilled because Obama has posted a legal document proving that he was born in Hawaii. But, if you say that we have the right to see his college records. No we don't. Or his housing record while at college. No we don't. Or his college essays. No we don't. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Spectator Stop The Debates!
This is also a huge factor in our Civil War and in our time as the decline of our nation when the people became crazy for manufactured goods after WWII's rationing. Then it wasn't our goods but imported goods.One should write poems about small towns and farms but they rarely do. The romance of them fled to big city slums On Mar 21, 7:40 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Now link these two (Jefferson and Hamilton) and you can see how materialism / corporatism came out of literal biblical / superstition while family and self sufficiency / the virtues of community would have come from Jefferson The Jefferson Bible. It seems for now after we've spent 200 years in materialism that Jefferson was right. The devil in the works of superstition always! snip In his only book, Notes on the State of Virginia (1787), Jefferson urged readers to resist the factory life of large European cities and stay on the land. Those who labour in the earth are the chosen people of God, if ever he had a chosen people, whose breasts he has made his peculiar deposit for substantial and genuine virtue, Jefferson wrote in the famous chapter called Manufactures. Farmers intuit the laws of God within the laws of nature, and so become virtuous, he reasoned. They are, by the nature of their work, resourceful, neighborly, independent. They are the elemental caretakers of the world. Nor do they succumb to the crude opinions of the masses. But the farmer is free-thinking and inquisitive. The manufacturer, by contrast, is a specialist, a cog, a wage slave. Dependence, Jefferson concluded, begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition. A manufacturer cannot be a citizen of a democracy, only a consumer within an oligarchy. Four years later, Hamilton submitted to Congress his Report on Manufactures, in which he dismissed Jefferson's agrarian vision in favor of developing industry, division of labor, child labor, protective tariffs, and prohibitions on many imported manufactured goods. Today, fewer than 1 percent of Americans work on farms, and many of those are huge, industrial farms that generate massive amounts of toxic by-products. That Jefferson's self-reliant farmer is so unrecognizable to us today is evidence enough, should we need any, that we have inherited Hamilton's America, not Jefferson's. more.. The difference between Jefferson and Hamilton is the difference between a version of Christianity based on Jesus' life and death and Resurrection, and one based on his teachings. Or to put it another way, it is a difference between where one locates basileia tou theou— the kingdom of God. Is it, as Luke's gospel says, in the midst of you (17:21), or is it, as John's gospel claimed, a reward saved for the sweet hereafter? To live by Jesus' teachings would be to live virtuously as stewards of the land; it would be to create an economy based on compassion, cooperation, and conservation; it would be to preserve the Creation as the kingdom of God. Jefferson was proposing a country of countrysides, a pastorale in which we would want to live; Hamilton was giving us a nation of factories from i which we would want —perhaps in the end need—to be saved. Thomas is the Aramaic word for twin. That Thomas Jefferson's version of Christianity actually found a twin gospel—one that included no miracles, no claims of divinity, but only the teachings of Jesus— hidden beneath an Egyptian cliff, and that this ancient gospel was also recorded by a man known as Thomas, makes for a remarkable story. Sometime near the end of the nineteenth century, two British archaeologists, Bernard P. Grenfell and Arthur S. Hunt, were searching through an ancient trash heap along the Nile River, at a site known as Oxyrhynchus, when they found three small papyrus leaves. One of the fragments read, These are the [ ] sayings [ ] the living Jesus spoke [ ] also called Thomas [ ]. New Testament scholars had long known that there once existed a Gospel of Thomas because in the third century Hippolytus denounced such a text in his Refutation of All Heresies. And because Thomas's gospel ran afoul of the early Church bishops, particularly Irenaeus, most copies of it were likely destroyed. In 1945, 150 miles upstream near another river town called Nag Hammadi, an Egyptian farmer named Muhammad `Ali al-Samman was guiding his camel beneath the nitrogen-rich cliffs that line the Nile, collecting fertilizer for his fields. As he dug at the base of one cliff, Muhammad `Ali found a sealed jug, obviously ancient. Fearing a jinn but hoping for gold, he broke the jar open with his mattock. He found neither. What fell out were twelve books (codices), made from papyrus and bound in leather. Figuring the manuscripts might be worth something, Muhammad `Ali gathered them up in his turban and carried them
Re: Well...Is He, or Isn’t He?
I just talked to my mother today and we discussed this since my parents had six children including two under three years old in the early sixties children travelled on the Mothers passport then. My parents and us kids travelled internationally every six months. Hers was a German passport. On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 7:03 PM, smrstrauss smrstra...@aol.com wrote: Re: I doubt very seriously that an infant was required to have had a Visa when traveling abroad with his mother. ' I suppose that you are thinking of a US infant traveling out of the USA. No, what you are talking about in this scenario is a Kenyan infant traveling to the USA. And infant born in Kenya would be considered a Kenyan (British subject at the time), or it is possible but less likely that he could be considered a US citizen born in Kenya (though many point out that his mother was not old enough to confer citizenship). In the latter case, he could get a US passport in Kenya or be added to his mother's US passport. BUT he could not travel to the USA without any travel document. He would have to have either a visa or a US passport. So who would decide? Not the US consulate in Kenya. It would have to be at the Sate Department in Washington--so cable traffic back and forth (long before e-mail). And it was in August, when Washington DC slows down to a crawl. -- Mark M. Kahle, , www.filacoffee.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Well...Is He, or Isn’t He?
Re: No. it lists A date and A place that is sworn to by the mother for up to one year after A birth. and registers it as any other birth. Baloney! The provision on late birth was impossible to use because the date of registration was four days after his birth. Lori, quoted earlier, has shown that it was NOT possible for a mother simply to swear that the child was born in Hawaii and that would be accepted by the officials in Hawaii. If the child was not born in a hospital, she needed proof that he was born in Hawaii, which would have been impossible to get if he was born in Kenya and she had to get back to Hawaii in four days. The COLB clearly shows that the registration was four days after his birth. What proof? This is what Lori said: Vital Records wants solid proof that the child was born locally - they want a pediatrician’s record stating he examined the child and is certifying that he is a newborn infant. they want prenatal care records. And they want a notarized statement from a midwife or whomever attended the birth. But that was not necessary because Obama was born in a hospital in Hawaii, like thousands of other kids born in Hawaii. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Well...Is He, or Isn’t He?
Once again.. proof of birth is an afadavit contained in the vault. The COLB is proof of REGISTRATION. the terms are NOT interchangeable. On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 7:19 PM, smrstrauss smrstra...@aol.com wrote: Re: There is no question that you and I both have a right to know whether President Obama is a natural born citizen. Absolutely, and we have had our right fulfilled because Obama has posted a legal document proving that he was born in Hawaii. But, if you say that we have the right to see his college records. No we don't. Or his housing record while at college. No we don't. Or his college essays. No we don't. -- Mark M. Kahle, , www.filacoffee.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Well...Is He, or Isn’t He?
The COLB is accepted as PROOF of birth in Hawaii by the US State Department for issuing passports and by the US miliary for enlistments. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Well...Is He, or Isn’t He?
As to a right to see his college records he went to college on government grants and loans yes I do have a right. On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 7:19 PM, smrstrauss smrstra...@aol.com wrote: Re: There is no question that you and I both have a right to know whether President Obama is a natural born citizen. Absolutely, and we have had our right fulfilled because Obama has posted a legal document proving that he was born in Hawaii. But, if you say that we have the right to see his college records. No we don't. Or his housing record while at college. No we don't. Or his college essays. No we don't. -- Mark M. Kahle, , www.filacoffee.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Well...Is He, or Isn’t He?
I do not know who in the hell Lori is but I can absolutely guarantee you that statute takes precedence over what 'Lori' said. Are you boning her? is that why you treat her word as sacrosanct and ignore statutory law ? On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 7:26 PM, smrstrauss smrstra...@aol.com wrote: Re: No. it lists A date and A place that is sworn to by the mother for up to one year after A birth. and registers it as any other birth. Baloney! The provision on late birth was impossible to use because the date of registration was four days after his birth. No afadavit no proof. Lori, quoted earlier, has shown that it was NOT possible for a mother simply to swear that the child was born in Hawaii and that would be accepted by the officials in Hawaii. 'Lori would be wrong. (note I did not say could) If the child was not born in a hospital, she needed proof that he was born in Hawaii, which would have been impossible to get if he was born in Kenya and she had to get back to Hawaii in four days. You are ASSUMING that his given date of birth is correct... do you have an afadavit to affirm this ?? The COLB clearly shows that the registration was four days after his birth. The COLB shows that registration is clearly four days after his mother said he was born. This is entirely different from what you CLAIM with no proof to back it up. What proof? This is what Lori said: Vital Records wants solid proof that the child was born locally - they want a pediatrician’s record stating he examined the child and is certifying that he is a newborn infant. they want prenatal care records. And they want a notarized statement from a midwife or whomever attended the birth. Again that or a Mothers afadavit which can be given up to one year after birth. It is in the statute and was quoted on this thread regardless of what Lori (you gotta be boning the airhead to so blindly believe) said. But that was not necessary because Obama was born in a hospital in Hawaii, like thousands of other kids born in Hawaii. Then there will be an afadavit of BIRTH (not a COLB) on file lets see it. I'll pay the ten bucks and the airfare to pick it up. -- Mark M. Kahle, , www.filacoffee.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Well...Is He, or Isn’t He?
and all those things require citizenship NOT natural born status. Quit mixing the terms and levels of proof required. Really... are you boning Lori or is it just oral service?? On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 7:30 PM, smrstrauss smrstra...@aol.com wrote: The COLB is accepted as PROOF of birth in Hawaii by the US State Department for issuing passports and by the US miliary for enlistments. -- Mark M. Kahle, , www.filacoffee.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Spectator Stop The Debates!
Or you could look at Life through a telescope. Big difference. On Mar 21, 7:14�am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: In case any of you haven't figured out that when you look at things through a microscope you are doing exactly what they want you to do and they (politicians) and getting exactly what then need to systematically and methodically tear our collective thoughts apart accomplishing the ultimate goal of maintaining power over us. If we don't get our heads out of our asses and quit micromanaging each individual bill and or politician then we will never see the BIG PICTURE. The philosophy that hedges behind this phenomena is collectivism vs individualism and as a COLLECTIVELY system our government and or leadership is leading us away from our individual rights and or our inalienable rights. They are doing so collectively? As I've looked at the leadership philosophies of Benjamin Franklin and George Washington who found their genius in a book called The Spectator I now understand why this nation has been led into individualism and or specialty. When the atom bomb was built with thousands of people working on this project each individual had a specialized and or specific (specialist and or specialized field) job to do. In this manner no one individual had the information to put the pieces of the puzzle together so there was no collective information so the secret was kept safe. All of you have fallen into the trap of micromanaging and bickering over little pieces of the big cheese and all of you have fallen into the trap that these bastards have set for you. I know that human nature and the intellectual side of politics intrigue all of us and we sure as hell like to either argue our side of the story about this one and that one or we bury our heads in the sand and remain naive because we fear the truth. I both instances we have COLLECTIVELY missed the boat and none of us are synthesizing the truth. I beg you all collectively to embark on a new idea as it relates to The Spectator. It may no be a good thing for us as a debating political entity because if we collectively unite by looking at the big picture then we have taken much of the political debate out of the equation which is inevitably the answer. The DEBATE will be over and isn't that what we want? What is better for us as a nation? To collectivity unite and beat these tyrants at their own game of micromanaging individually and let these politicians make us into a collective bunch of folks and or debating fools who remain at the mercy of their will. Are we going to remain a ship of fools rowing in different directions on the hoodoo seas? Peace, Doc --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Gotta hand it to Trooper York (from Brooklyn) on this one - comment on the Althouse blog
yashu said... "...Rather than just putting on a show, he's encouraging people to waste their time on completely ineffective "tea parties" that are supposedly grassroots but which are promoted by questionable groups and through things like a video surreptitiously from the GOP." Ah yes, as opposed to really authentic expressions of the will of the people like the The Pledge Project Canvass, described here: Obama plans huge pledge drive for his policies. "The Pledge Project Canvass is an unprecedented effort by a president to reach beyond Congress and tap grassroots supporters for help. Volunteers recruited online by Obama's Organizing for America, a post-election group, will ask citizens to sign a pledge in support of the president's policies on energy, health care and education. [...] "This is just the beginning for us," said Jeremy Bird, deputy national director of Organizing for America, in an online video to Obama supporters this week. "The establishment in Washington won't welcome this new direction easily. We can't let this plan be debated solely behind closed doors in Washington, D.C." And here's the heart of it, from Deputy Director Bird: "For anyone who questions why the President has offered this plan, these pledges will be the answer: because the American people demanded it. The Pledge Canvass will also be the first step in growing our movement, and growing a nation-wide network to support our agenda for change. This is just the beginning for us. Throughout this year, we'll be organizing to bring an end to this economic crisis, and to build a solid foundation for America's economy. We'll be mobilizing people everywhere and holding our elected officials accountable until we see bold change: the change we need." ** Orwell would have a field day with this administration. 4:42 PM kibitzer62 said... "That is one aspect of the definition of liberal..one who changes and adapts." >From Bertrand Russell's "A History of Western Philosophy" Chapter XV: Kant,like Darwin, gave rise to a movement which he would have detested. Kant was a liberal, a democrat, a pacifist, but those who professed to develop his philosophy were none of these things. Or,if they still called themselves Liberals, they were Liberals of a new species. Since Rousseau and Kant, there have been two schools of liberalism, which may be distinguished as the hard-headed and the soft-hearted. The hard-headed developed, through Bentham, Ricardo, and Marx, by logical stages into Stalin; the soft-hearted, by other logical stages through Fichte, Byron, Carlyle, and Nietzsche, into Hitler. This statement, of course, is too schematic to be quite true, but it may serve as a map and a mnemonic. The stages in the evolution of ideas have had almost the quality of the Hegelian dialectic: doctrines have developed, by steps that each seem natural, into their opposites. Trooper York said... HD house said: Now to moron number 1 (boy I hate to do this so early but if we must to get back to the topic, then shall be it)...FEN. I think I just said enough by saying the name of the dark one. Then moron #2.. enter KNOX..according to this nitwit i'm "childishly insulting... and yet attempt to achieve some sort of high-mindedness at the same time" kinda like a kid on stilts right? A typical lyrical post from that erudite wit HD House whose incoherence is only matched by his bile. While chiding others for being Childishly insulting he never fails to try to mock Sarah Palin by such cute phrases as you betcha to mock the unwashed masses he presumes worship the Alaskan governor who he holds in contempt. As he is contemptuous of most of his fellow citizens and commenters. As an elitist liberal of the old school, HD knows better than his fellow citizens what should be done in the governance of our democracy. A mere plumber or even an Alaskan governor should sit down and shut up and pay their confiscatory taxes in silence while their betters determine how the ship of state will sail. You see these are the people who scare him and who he must mock and denigrate. The electrician who fixes his mansion in the Hamptons. The waitress who serves him his oatmeal at the diner. The plumber who clears his toilet. Working people who foolishly think they should keep their hard earned pay instead of turning it over to their betters who will redistribute to others in more favored classes that dwell in a state of perpetual victimization. You know to spread it around. To be fair. Once the liberal group think and media manipulation by a malignant cabal of leftist journalists and Democratic activists was exposed, old warhorse HD sprang into action. He immediately tried to throw sand in the face of everyone by attacking to change the
THE MIDGET
Subject: The Midget The testicles of a midget living in Texas hurt and ached almost all the time. The midget went to the doctor and told him about his problem. The doctor told him to drop his The doctor stood him up onto the examining table, and started to examine him. The doctor put one finger under his left testicle and told the midget to turn his head and cough, the usual method to check for a hernia. Hmm... mumbled the doctor, and as he put his finger under the right testicle, he asked the midget to cough again. Aha! said the doctor, and reached for his surgical scissors. Snip-snip-snip-snip on the right side...then snip-snip-snip-snip on the left side. The midget was so scared he was afraid to look, but noted with amazement that the snipping did not hurt. The midget was absolutely delighted as he walked around and discovered his testicles were no longer aching. The doctor said, How does that feel now? The midget replied, Perfect Doc, and I didn't even feel it.. What did you do? The doctor replied, I cut two inches off the top of your cowboy boots. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Gotta hand it to Trooper York (from Brooklyn) on this one - comment on the Althouse blog
I think Obama knows how to use mob rule to his advantage and citizens should study the French Revolution. The motives were jealousy, envy, unfair taxation and an empty treasury and the monarchy fell. On Mar 21, 8:54�pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: � � � � http://www.blogger.com/delete-comment.g?blogID=6329595postID=1638111... � � Blogger yashu http://www.blogger.com/profile/12716156754089411837 � � said... � � � � ...Rather than just putting on a show, he's encouraging people � � � � to waste their time on completely ineffective tea parties that � � � � are supposedly grassroots but which are promoted by questionable � � � � groups and through things like a video surreptitiously from the � � � � GOP. � � � � Ah yes, as opposed to really authentic expressions of the will � � � � of the people like the The Pledge Project Canvass � � � � http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/obamaforamerica/gGx5Yc, � � � � described here: Obama plans huge pledge drive for his policies � � � � http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/03/20/MNMO16JJD � � � � The Pledge Project Canvass is an unprecedented effort by a � � � � president to reach beyond Congress and tap grassroots supporters � � � � for help. Volunteers recruited online by Obama's Organizing for � � � � America, a post-election group, will ask citizens to sign a � � � � pledge in support of the president's policies on energy, health � � � � care and education. [...] � � � � This is just the beginning for us, said Jeremy Bird, deputy � � � � national director of Organizing for America, in an online video � � � � to Obama supporters this week. The establishment in Washington � � � � won't welcome this new direction easily. We can't let this plan � � � � be debated solely behind closed doors in Washington, D.C. � � � � And here's the heart of it, from Deputy Director Bird: � � � � For anyone who questions why the President has offered this � � � � plan, these pledges will be the answer: because the American � � � � people demanded it.?? � � � � The Pledge Canvass will also be the first step in growing our � � � � movement, and growing a nation-wide network to support our � � � � agenda for change. This is just the beginning for us. Throughout � � � � this year, we'll be organizing to bring an end to this economic � � � � crisis, and to build a solid foundation for America's economy. � � � � We'll be mobilizing people everywhere and holding our elected � � � � officials accountable until we see bold change: the change we need. � � � � ** � � � � Orwell would have a field day with this administration. � � � � 4:42 PM � � � � http://althouse.blogspot.com/2009/03/protein-wisdom-on-what-ezra-klei... � � � � http://www.blogger.com/delete-comment.g?blogID=6329595postID=4375159... � � OpenID kibitzer62 https://me.yahoo.com/kibitzer62#b09e5 said... � � � � That is one aspect of the definition of liberal..one who � � � � changes and adapts. � � � � �From Bertrand Russell's A History of Western Philosophy � � � � Chapter XV: � � � � Kant,like Darwin, gave rise to a movement which he would have � � � � detested. Kant was a liberal, a democrat, a pacifist, but those � � � � who professed to develop his philosophy were none of these � � � � things. Or,if they still called themselves Liberals, they were � � � � Liberals of a new species. Since Rousseau and Kant, there have � � � � been two schools of liberalism, which may be distinguished as � � � � the hard-headed and the soft-hearted. The hard-headed developed, � � � � through Bentham, Ricardo, and Marx, by logical stages into � � � � Stalin; the soft-hearted, by other logical stages through � � � � Fichte, Byron, Carlyle, and Nietzsche, into Hitler. This � � � � statement, of course, is too schematic to be quite true, but it � � � � may serve as a map and a mnemonic. The stages in the evolution � � � � of ideas have had almost the quality of the Hegelian dialectic: � � � � doctrines have developed, by steps that each seem natural, into � � � � their opposites. � � http://www.blogger.com/delete-comment.g?blogID=6329595postID=598... Blogger Trooper York http://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194 said... � � HD house said: � � Now to moron number 1 (boy I hate to do this so early but if we must � � to get back to the topic, then shall be it)...FEN. � � I think I just said enough by saying the name of the dark one. � � Then moron #2.. enter KNOX..according to this nitwit i'm childishly � � insulting... and yet attempt to achieve some sort of high-mindedness � � at the same time � � kinda like a kid on stilts right? � � A typical lyrical post from that erudite wit HD House whose � � incoherence is only matched by his bile. While chiding others for � � being Childishly insulting he never fails to try to mock Sarah � � Palin by such cute phrases as you betcha to mock the
Funny how the media outnumber the anti-AIG protesters and the tea parties get almost no coverage at all - but the media is not biased
MEDIA OUTNUMBER http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2009/03/media-outnumber-mob-protesters-on-aig.html THE ANTI-A.I.G. PROTESTERS: Check out the press mob in this picture. http://www.flickr.com/photos/32731...@n08/3373315869/sizes/l/in/set-72157615641173829/ Well, it's certainly not like that at the tea party protests. http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/74050/ Plus this: Maybe you can swing by Chris Dodd's lavish house and see if he can help you. UPDATE: The Great CWFP AIG Intimidation Run Round-Up. http://moelane.com/2009/03/21/the-great-cwfp-aig-intimidation-run-round-up/ Paper tiger? ANOTHER UPDATE: These are not the brownshirts you were looking for. http://templeofmut.wordpress.com/2009/03/21/fair-play-a-tour-of-ct-working-familes-party/ Posted at 7:52 pm by *Glenn Reynolds* --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Spectator Stop The Debates!
Beautiful! The National Grange of the Order of Patrons of Husbandry helped to lead me to some of my conclusion(s). It's about agriculture, Love of the Earth, Mothers, Fathers, Family, Community and being self sufficient. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grange_(organization) Where in hell did it all go? There were INFILTRATORS of the corperate elitist variety! Peace, Doc On Mar 21, 8:22 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: This is also a huge factor in our Civil War and in our time as the decline of our nation when the people became crazy for manufactured goods after WWII's rationing. Then it wasn't our goods but imported goods.One should write poems about small towns and farms but they rarely do. The romance of them fled to big city slums On Mar 21, 7:40 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Now link these two (Jefferson and Hamilton) and you can see how materialism / corporatism came out of literal biblical / superstition while family and self sufficiency / the virtues of community would have come from Jefferson The Jefferson Bible. It seems for now after we've spent 200 years in materialism that Jefferson was right. The devil in the works of superstition always! snip In his only book, Notes on the State of Virginia (1787), Jefferson urged readers to resist the factory life of large European cities and stay on the land. Those who labour in the earth are the chosen people of God, if ever he had a chosen people, whose breasts he has made his peculiar deposit for substantial and genuine virtue, Jefferson wrote in the famous chapter called Manufactures. Farmers intuit the laws of God within the laws of nature, and so become virtuous, he reasoned. They are, by the nature of their work, resourceful, neighborly, independent. They are the elemental caretakers of the world. Nor do they succumb to the crude opinions of the masses. But the farmer is free-thinking and inquisitive. The manufacturer, by contrast, is a specialist, a cog, a wage slave. Dependence, Jefferson concluded, begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition. A manufacturer cannot be a citizen of a democracy, only a consumer within an oligarchy. Four years later, Hamilton submitted to Congress his Report on Manufactures, in which he dismissed Jefferson's agrarian vision in favor of developing industry, division of labor, child labor, protective tariffs, and prohibitions on many imported manufactured goods. Today, fewer than 1 percent of Americans work on farms, and many of those are huge, industrial farms that generate massive amounts of toxic by-products. That Jefferson's self-reliant farmer is so unrecognizable to us today is evidence enough, should we need any, that we have inherited Hamilton's America, not Jefferson's. more.. The difference between Jefferson and Hamilton is the difference between a version of Christianity based on Jesus' life and death and Resurrection, and one based on his teachings. Or to put it another way, it is a difference between where one locates basileia tou theou— the kingdom of God. Is it, as Luke's gospel says, in the midst of you (17:21), or is it, as John's gospel claimed, a reward saved for the sweet hereafter? To live by Jesus' teachings would be to live virtuously as stewards of the land; it would be to create an economy based on compassion, cooperation, and conservation; it would be to preserve the Creation as the kingdom of God. Jefferson was proposing a country of countrysides, a pastorale in which we would want to live; Hamilton was giving us a nation of factories from i which we would want —perhaps in the end need—to be saved. Thomas is the Aramaic word for twin. That Thomas Jefferson's version of Christianity actually found a twin gospel—one that included no miracles, no claims of divinity, but only the teachings of Jesus— hidden beneath an Egyptian cliff, and that this ancient gospel was also recorded by a man known as Thomas, makes for a remarkable story. Sometime near the end of the nineteenth century, two British archaeologists, Bernard P. Grenfell and Arthur S. Hunt, were searching through an ancient trash heap along the Nile River, at a site known as Oxyrhynchus, when they found three small papyrus leaves. One of the fragments read, These are the [ ] sayings [ ] the living Jesus spoke [ ] also called Thomas [ ]. New Testament scholars had long known that there once existed a Gospel of Thomas because in the third century Hippolytus denounced such a text in his Refutation of All Heresies. And because Thomas's gospel ran afoul of the early Church bishops, particularly Irenaeus, most copies of it were likely destroyed. In 1945, 150 miles upstream near another river town called Nag Hammadi, an Egyptian farmer named Muhammad
Re: Funny how the media outnumber the anti-AIG protesters and the tea parties get almost no coverage at all - but the media is not biased
Oh yes; ownership of the media and the FCC helps? Peace, Doc On Mar 21, 9:15 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: MEDIA OUTNUMBER http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2009/03/media-outnumber-mob-pro... THE ANTI-A.I.G. PROTESTERS: Check out the press mob in this picture. http://www.flickr.com/photos/32731...@n08/3373315869/sizes/l/in/set-7... Well, it's certainly not like that at the tea party protests. http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/74050/ Plus this: Maybe you can swing by Chris Dodd's lavish house and see if he can help you. UPDATE: The Great CWFP AIG Intimidation Run Round-Up. http://moelane.com/2009/03/21/the-great-cwfp-aig-intimidation-run-rou... Paper tiger? ANOTHER UPDATE: These are not the brownshirts you were looking for. http://templeofmut.wordpress.com/2009/03/21/fair-play-a-tour-of-ct-wo... Posted at 7:52 pm by *Glenn Reynolds* --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Funny how the media outnumber the anti-AIG protesters and the tea parties get almost no coverage at all - but the media is not biased
No. It controls. On Mar 21, 9:40�pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Oh yes; ownership of the media and the FCC helps? Peace, Doc On Mar 21, 9:15�pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: MEDIA OUTNUMBER http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2009/03/media-outnumber-mob-pro... THE ANTI-A.I.G. PROTESTERS: Check out the press mob in this picture. http://www.flickr.com/photos/32731...@n08/3373315869/sizes/l/in/set-7... Well, it's certainly not like that at the tea party protests. http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/74050/ Plus this: Maybe you can swing by Chris Dodd's lavish house and see if he can help you. UPDATE: The Great CWFP AIG Intimidation Run Round-Up. http://moelane.com/2009/03/21/the-great-cwfp-aig-intimidation-run-rou... Paper tiger? ANOTHER UPDATE: These are not the brownshirts you were looking for. http://templeofmut.wordpress.com/2009/03/21/fair-play-a-tour-of-ct-wo... Posted at 7:52 pm by *Glenn Reynolds*- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Funny how the media outnumber the anti-AIG protesters and the tea parties get almost no coverage at all - but the media is not biased
Women elected Clinton and Obama because they were sexually charged by these two charlatans. On Mar 21, 9:40�pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Oh yes; ownership of the media and the FCC helps? Peace, Doc On Mar 21, 9:15�pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: MEDIA OUTNUMBER http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2009/03/media-outnumber-mob-pro... THE ANTI-A.I.G. PROTESTERS: Check out the press mob in this picture. http://www.flickr.com/photos/32731...@n08/3373315869/sizes/l/in/set-7... Well, it's certainly not like that at the tea party protests. http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/74050/ Plus this: Maybe you can swing by Chris Dodd's lavish house and see if he can help you. UPDATE: The Great CWFP AIG Intimidation Run Round-Up. http://moelane.com/2009/03/21/the-great-cwfp-aig-intimidation-run-rou... Paper tiger? ANOTHER UPDATE: These are not the brownshirts you were looking for. http://templeofmut.wordpress.com/2009/03/21/fair-play-a-tour-of-ct-wo... Posted at 7:52 pm by *Glenn Reynolds*- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Spectator Stop The Debates!
Slight of hand instead of calloused. On Mar 21, 9:37 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Beautiful! The National Grange of the Order of Patrons of Husbandry helped to lead me to some of my conclusion(s). It's about agriculture, Love of the Earth, Mothers, Fathers, Family, Community and being self sufficient. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grange_(organization) Where in hell did it all go? There were INFILTRATORS of the corperate elitist variety! Peace, Doc On Mar 21, 8:22 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: This is also a huge factor in our Civil War and in our time as the decline of our nation when the people became crazy for manufactured goods after WWII's rationing. Then it wasn't our goods but imported goods.One should write poems about small towns and farms but they rarely do. The romance of them fled to big city slums On Mar 21, 7:40 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Now link these two (Jefferson and Hamilton) and you can see how materialism / corporatism came out of literal biblical / superstition while family and self sufficiency / the virtues of community would have come from Jefferson The Jefferson Bible. It seems for now after we've spent 200 years in materialism that Jefferson was right. The devil in the works of superstition always! snip In his only book, Notes on the State of Virginia (1787), Jefferson urged readers to resist the factory life of large European cities and stay on the land. Those who labour in the earth are the chosen people of God, if ever he had a chosen people, whose breasts he has made his peculiar deposit for substantial and genuine virtue, Jefferson wrote in the famous chapter called Manufactures. Farmers intuit the laws of God within the laws of nature, and so become virtuous, he reasoned. They are, by the nature of their work, resourceful, neighborly, independent. They are the elemental caretakers of the world. Nor do they succumb to the crude opinions of the masses. But the farmer is free-thinking and inquisitive. The manufacturer, by contrast, is a specialist, a cog, a wage slave. Dependence, Jefferson concluded, begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition. A manufacturer cannot be a citizen of a democracy, only a consumer within an oligarchy. Four years later, Hamilton submitted to Congress his Report on Manufactures, in which he dismissed Jefferson's agrarian vision in favor of developing industry, division of labor, child labor, protective tariffs, and prohibitions on many imported manufactured goods. Today, fewer than 1 percent of Americans work on farms, and many of those are huge, industrial farms that generate massive amounts of toxic by-products. That Jefferson's self-reliant farmer is so unrecognizable to us today is evidence enough, should we need any, that we have inherited Hamilton's America, not Jefferson's. more.. The difference between Jefferson and Hamilton is the difference between a version of Christianity based on Jesus' life and death and Resurrection, and one based on his teachings. Or to put it another way, it is a difference between where one locates basileia tou theou— the kingdom of God. Is it, as Luke's gospel says, in the midst of you (17:21), or is it, as John's gospel claimed, a reward saved for the sweet hereafter? To live by Jesus' teachings would be to live virtuously as stewards of the land; it would be to create an economy based on compassion, cooperation, and conservation; it would be to preserve the Creation as the kingdom of God. Jefferson was proposing a country of countrysides, a pastorale in which we would want to live; Hamilton was giving us a nation of factories from i which we would want —perhaps in the end need—to be saved. Thomas is the Aramaic word for twin. That Thomas Jefferson's version of Christianity actually found a twin gospel—one that included no miracles, no claims of divinity, but only the teachings of Jesus— hidden beneath an Egyptian cliff, and that this ancient gospel was also recorded by a man known as Thomas, makes for a remarkable story. Sometime near the end of the nineteenth century, two British archaeologists, Bernard P. Grenfell and Arthur S. Hunt, were searching through an ancient trash heap along the Nile River, at a site known as Oxyrhynchus, when they found three small papyrus leaves. One of the fragments read, These are the [ ] sayings [ ] the living Jesus spoke [ ] also called Thomas [ ]. New Testament scholars had long known that there once existed a Gospel of Thomas because in the third century Hippolytus denounced such a text in his Refutation of All Heresies. And because Thomas's gospel ran afoul of the early
Re: Funny how the media outnumber the anti-AIG protesters and the tea parties get almost no coverage at all - but the media is not biased
Just saw the photos of the Tea Party in Orlando - 3000 people and 2 journalists. At the anti-AIG there were 2.5 journalists for every protester. Kinda tells you all you need to know to see what our media is like these days. If you go to the Yahoo news site there is no mention of the Tea Parties at all but there are about 6 stories about the ANSWER protest in DC and San Fran. Again tells you allyou need to know to see what our media is like. rigsy03 wrote: No. It controls. On Mar 21, 9:40�pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Oh yes; ownership of the media and the FCC helps? Peace, Doc On Mar 21, 9:15�pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: MEDIA OUTNUMBER http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2009/03/media-outnumber-mob-pro... THE ANTI-A.I.G. PROTESTERS: Check out the press mob in this picture. http://www.flickr.com/photos/32731...@n08/3373315869/sizes/l/in/set-7... Well, it's certainly not like that at the tea party protests. http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/74050/ Plus this: Maybe you can swing by Chris Dodd's lavish house and see if he can help you. UPDATE: The Great CWFP AIG Intimidation Run Round-Up. http://moelane.com/2009/03/21/the-great-cwfp-aig-intimidation-run-rou... Paper tiger? ANOTHER UPDATE: These are not the brownshirts you were looking for. http://templeofmut.wordpress.com/2009/03/21/fair-play-a-tour-of-ct-wo... Posted at 7:52 pm by *Glenn Reynolds*- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Spectator Stop The Debates!
David Copperfield making the statue of liberty disappear or said the spider to the fly and or Foxes guarding the hen houses. Peace, Doc On Mar 21, 9:58 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Slight of hand instead of calloused. On Mar 21, 9:37 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Beautiful! The National Grange of the Order of Patrons of Husbandry helped to lead me to some of my conclusion(s). It's about agriculture, Love of the Earth, Mothers, Fathers, Family, Community and being self sufficient. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grange_(organization) Where in hell did it all go? There were INFILTRATORS of the corperate elitist variety! Peace, Doc On Mar 21, 8:22 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: This is also a huge factor in our Civil War and in our time as the decline of our nation when the people became crazy for manufactured goods after WWII's rationing. Then it wasn't our goods but imported goods.One should write poems about small towns and farms but they rarely do. The romance of them fled to big city slums On Mar 21, 7:40 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Now link these two (Jefferson and Hamilton) and you can see how materialism / corporatism came out of literal biblical / superstition while family and self sufficiency / the virtues of community would have come from Jefferson The Jefferson Bible. It seems for now after we've spent 200 years in materialism that Jefferson was right. The devil in the works of superstition always! snip In his only book, Notes on the State of Virginia (1787), Jefferson urged readers to resist the factory life of large European cities and stay on the land. Those who labour in the earth are the chosen people of God, if ever he had a chosen people, whose breasts he has made his peculiar deposit for substantial and genuine virtue, Jefferson wrote in the famous chapter called Manufactures. Farmers intuit the laws of God within the laws of nature, and so become virtuous, he reasoned. They are, by the nature of their work, resourceful, neighborly, independent. They are the elemental caretakers of the world. Nor do they succumb to the crude opinions of the masses. But the farmer is free-thinking and inquisitive. The manufacturer, by contrast, is a specialist, a cog, a wage slave. Dependence, Jefferson concluded, begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition. A manufacturer cannot be a citizen of a democracy, only a consumer within an oligarchy. Four years later, Hamilton submitted to Congress his Report on Manufactures, in which he dismissed Jefferson's agrarian vision in favor of developing industry, division of labor, child labor, protective tariffs, and prohibitions on many imported manufactured goods. Today, fewer than 1 percent of Americans work on farms, and many of those are huge, industrial farms that generate massive amounts of toxic by-products. That Jefferson's self-reliant farmer is so unrecognizable to us today is evidence enough, should we need any, that we have inherited Hamilton's America, not Jefferson's. more.. The difference between Jefferson and Hamilton is the difference between a version of Christianity based on Jesus' life and death and Resurrection, and one based on his teachings. Or to put it another way, it is a difference between where one locates basileia tou theou— the kingdom of God. Is it, as Luke's gospel says, in the midst of you (17:21), or is it, as John's gospel claimed, a reward saved for the sweet hereafter? To live by Jesus' teachings would be to live virtuously as stewards of the land; it would be to create an economy based on compassion, cooperation, and conservation; it would be to preserve the Creation as the kingdom of God. Jefferson was proposing a country of countrysides, a pastorale in which we would want to live; Hamilton was giving us a nation of factories from i which we would want —perhaps in the end need—to be saved. Thomas is the Aramaic word for twin. That Thomas Jefferson's version of Christianity actually found a twin gospel—one that included no miracles, no claims of divinity, but only the teachings of Jesus— hidden beneath an Egyptian cliff, and that this ancient gospel was also recorded by a man known as Thomas, makes for a remarkable story. Sometime near the end of the nineteenth century, two British archaeologists, Bernard P. Grenfell and Arthur S. Hunt, were searching through an ancient trash heap along the Nile River, at a site known as Oxyrhynchus, when they found three small papyrus leaves. One of the fragments read, These are the [ ] sayings [ ] the
Re: The Spectator Stop The Debates!
Yes. Goodnight and Peace. On Mar 21, 10:04 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: David Copperfield making the statue of liberty disappear or said the spider to the fly and or Foxes guarding the hen houses. Peace, Doc On Mar 21, 9:58 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Slight of hand instead of calloused. On Mar 21, 9:37 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Beautiful! The National Grange of the Order of Patrons of Husbandry helped to lead me to some of my conclusion(s). It's about agriculture, Love of the Earth, Mothers, Fathers, Family, Community and being self sufficient. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grange_(organization) Where in hell did it all go? There were INFILTRATORS of the corperate elitist variety! Peace, Doc On Mar 21, 8:22 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: This is also a huge factor in our Civil War and in our time as the decline of our nation when the people became crazy for manufactured goods after WWII's rationing. Then it wasn't our goods but imported goods.One should write poems about small towns and farms but they rarely do. The romance of them fled to big city slums On Mar 21, 7:40 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Now link these two (Jefferson and Hamilton) and you can see how materialism / corporatism came out of literal biblical / superstition while family and self sufficiency / the virtues of community would have come from Jefferson The Jefferson Bible. It seems for now after we've spent 200 years in materialism that Jefferson was right. The devil in the works of superstition always! snip In his only book, Notes on the State of Virginia (1787), Jefferson urged readers to resist the factory life of large European cities and stay on the land. Those who labour in the earth are the chosen people of God, if ever he had a chosen people, whose breasts he has made his peculiar deposit for substantial and genuine virtue, Jefferson wrote in the famous chapter called Manufactures. Farmers intuit the laws of God within the laws of nature, and so become virtuous, he reasoned. They are, by the nature of their work, resourceful, neighborly, independent. They are the elemental caretakers of the world. Nor do they succumb to the crude opinions of the masses. But the farmer is free-thinking and inquisitive. The manufacturer, by contrast, is a specialist, a cog, a wage slave. Dependence, Jefferson concluded, begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition. A manufacturer cannot be a citizen of a democracy, only a consumer within an oligarchy. Four years later, Hamilton submitted to Congress his Report on Manufactures, in which he dismissed Jefferson's agrarian vision in favor of developing industry, division of labor, child labor, protective tariffs, and prohibitions on many imported manufactured goods. Today, fewer than 1 percent of Americans work on farms, and many of those are huge, industrial farms that generate massive amounts of toxic by-products. That Jefferson's self-reliant farmer is so unrecognizable to us today is evidence enough, should we need any, that we have inherited Hamilton's America, not Jefferson's. more.. The difference between Jefferson and Hamilton is the difference between a version of Christianity based on Jesus' life and death and Resurrection, and one based on his teachings. Or to put it another way, it is a difference between where one locates basileia tou theou— the kingdom of God. Is it, as Luke's gospel says, in the midst of you (17:21), or is it, as John's gospel claimed, a reward saved for the sweet hereafter? To live by Jesus' teachings would be to live virtuously as stewards of the land; it would be to create an economy based on compassion, cooperation, and conservation; it would be to preserve the Creation as the kingdom of God. Jefferson was proposing a country of countrysides, a pastorale in which we would want to live; Hamilton was giving us a nation of factories from i which we would want —perhaps in the end need—to be saved. Thomas is the Aramaic word for twin. That Thomas Jefferson's version of Christianity actually found a twin gospel—one that included no miracles, no claims of divinity, but only the teachings of Jesus— hidden beneath an Egyptian cliff, and that this ancient gospel was also recorded by a man known as Thomas, makes for a remarkable story. Sometime near the end of the nineteenth century, two British archaeologists, Bernard P. Grenfell and Arthur S. Hunt, were searching through an ancient
Mercenaries Who Will OPERATE THE GUILLOTINES on Americans under Martial Law
Mercenaries Who Will OPERATE THE GUILLOTINES on Americans under Martial Law By Pamela Schuffert presenting investigative journalism with a Christian perspective- The guillotines now located in many military bases across this nation will not only be operated by specialized platoons of specially trained/ hardened military (US) but ALSO by CHINESE and RUSSIAN and UN/NATO/ Partnership for Peace troops training on them even now in their nations. The NWO Illuminati will always use their hirelings/grunts to do the dirty work they have set up. There are of course those people in the US military who have been specially chosen, hardened and trained to do these things to their fellow Americans, but they are in a minority. And so, here come the foreign troops. Since communism in RUSSIA and CHINA is in fact an Illuminati establishment for NWO world takeover, it makes perfect sense for them to use such military to do this. IN fact, some years ago, Senator Scoop Jackson of WA, working with RICHARD PERLE PRINCE OF DARKNESS (dual citizenship NWO Jew) went on a secret mission to CHINA to order 20,000 PRISONER BOXCARS WITH SHACKLES and MODERN GUILLOTINES INSTALLED IN EACH ONE.These boxcars came to America in the form of 40 foot cargo containers and will be used under martial law. My friend Elaine, former CIA assassin and NWO planner under Bush Senior, told me how she was flown to the factory in JAPAN in the 1970's where the modern guillotines were being manufactured under secret contract between the USA and Japan. And how she stood and watched as the guillotines were unloaded on the loading docks of San Diego in unmarked crates, to be secretly distributed nationwide. Russian SPETZNAZ will play a major role in NWO takeover in America also. Russian spies are in fact bragging to my Russian Christian friends in Spokane, WA: HAHAHA...STUPID AMERICANS! As it WAS in RUSSIA, so shall it BE SOON IN AMERICA! Russian military are now under secret contract with the US government to build many DETENTION CAMPS off the coast of ALASKA on the Aleutian Islands, as reported by investigator Sherman Skolnick before he died. Also, we cannot forget the secret paramilitary forces (civilian) of the NWO agenda here in America who have been secretly training to also attack Christians and other Patriots under martial law, working hand in hand with the US government/military. They have been training nationwide and could even be your neighbors. Though the Jews of the NOAHIDE LAWS are responsible for what is to unfold with the mass beheadings of NWO resisters, Christians especially, they will be using their mercenary military forces to do the dirty work in the future. -Pamela Schuffert http://www.squidoo.com/tithes-and-offerings --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Hypocrisy writ large again - this time byDiane Feinstein
Feinstein: Don't Spoil Our Desert With Solar Panels Sen. Dianne Feinstein said development of solar and wind facilities in California's Mojave Desert would violate the spirit of what conservationists had intended when they donated much of the land to the public AP Saturday, March 21, 2009 0 x in order to recommend a story, you must login or register. 107 Comments | Add Comment ShareThis PEOPLE WHO READ THIS... Also read these stories: Official: U.S. Strategy in Afghanistan Will Move Soldiers Out Front [2009-03-21] 12 visitors also liked this. Defense Department Reverses Directive to Stop Selling Used Ammunition Shells [2009-03-20] defense department reverses directive to stop selling used ammunition shells 19 visitors also liked this. Supreme Court to Review 'Hillary: The Movie' [2009-03-21] supreme court to review 'hillary the movie', review, feinstein solar panels spoil desert, solar 741 visitors also liked this. Death Penalty Issue Emerges in Race for N.Y. Sen. Gillibrand's Former House Seat [2009-03-21] 15 visitors also liked this. Georgia Lawmakers Fight Over Proposal Honoring Obama [2009-03-21] georgia lawmakers fight over proposal honoring obama, obama, georgia 50 visitors also liked this. powered by Baynote WASHINGTON -- California's Mojave Desert may seem ideally suited for solar energy production, but concern over what several proposed projects might do to the aesthetics of the region and its tortoise population is setting up a potential clash between conservationists and companies seeking to develop renewable energy. Nineteen companies have submitted applications to build solar or wind facilities on a parcel of 500,000 desert acres, but Sen. Dianne Feinstein said Friday such development would violate the spirit of what conservationists had intended when they donated much of the land to the public. Feinstein said Friday she intends to push legislation that would turn the land into a national monument, which would allow for existing uses to continue while preventing future development. The Wildlands Conservancy orchestrated the government's purchase of the land between 1999-2004. It negotiated a discount sale from the real estate arm of the former Santa Fe and Southern Pacific Railroad and then contributed $40 million to help pay for the purchase. David Myers, the conservancy's executive director, said the solar projects would do great harm to the region's desert tortoise population. "It would destroy the entire Mojave Desert ecosystem," said David Myers, executive director of The Wildlands Conservancy. Feinstein said the lands in question were donated or purchased with the intent that they would be protected forever. But the Bureau of Land Management considers the land now open to all types of development, except mining. That policy led the state to consider large swaths of the land for future renewable energy production. "This is unacceptable," Feinstein said in a letter to Interior Secretary Ken Salazar. "I urge you to direct the BLM to suspend any further consideration of leases to develop former railroad lands for renewable energy or for any other purpose." In a speech last year, Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger complained about environmental concerns slowing down the approval of solar plants in California. "If we cannot put solar power plants in the Mojave desert, I don't know where the hell we can put it," Schwarzenegger said at Yale University. But Karen Douglas, chairman of the California Energy Commission, said Feinstein's proposal could be a "win-win" for energy and conservation. The governor's office said Douglas was speaking on the administration's behalf. "The opportunity we see in the Feinstein bill is to jump-start our own efforts to find the best sites for development and to come up with a broader conservation plan that mitigates the impact of the development," Douglas said. Douglas said that if the national monument lines were drawn without consideration of renewable energy then a conflict was likely, but it's early enough in the planning process that she's confident the state will be able to get more solar and wind projects up and running without hurting the environment. "We think we can do both," Douglas said. "We think this is an opportunity to accelerate both." Greg Miller of the Bureau of Land Management said there are 14 solar energy and five wind energy projects that have submitted applications seeking to develop on what's referred to as the former Catellus lands. None of the projects are close to being approved, he said. The land lies in the southeast corner of California, between the existing Mojave National Preserve on the north and Joshua Tree National Park on the south. "They all have to go through a rigorous environmental analysis now," Miller said. "It will be at best close to two years out before we get some of these grants approved." Feinstein's spokesman, Gil Duran,
Sorry, but I don't feel anything for this one at all - just imagine if they had hit someone
Bride says wedding night arrest was humiliating From Associated Press March 21, 2009 11:52 PM EDT HOUSTON - A woman who claims she was humiliated on her wedding night because she had to spend it in jail in her wedding gown has filed a complaint with Texas authorities. Jade Puckett, 26, filed the complaint midweek over a picture taken while she was in a courtroom in her wedding dress. It had turned the best day of my life into my greatest nightmare, she said in the complaint. She and Billy Puckett, also 26, were arrested following their March 14 reception as part of a Harris County sweep targeting drunken drivers. Billy Puckett was charged with driving while intoxicated. Officers said his new wife was charged with public intoxication after she became belligerent. She said she was then kept in a cell overnight - still in her wedding dress - with 15 or 20 other arrested women. She said male deputies at least three times opened the cell door to point her out to other jailers. The male guards seemed to be enjoying themselves, she said. Sheriff's Maj. Fred Brown told the Houston Chronicle in Saturday's editions authorities would review jail videos to see if Puckett's complaints were valid. She has not filed a formal complaint with the sheriff's office; the complaint was filed with the county constable's office. Joe Gutheinz, an attorney for the couple, told The Associated Press he planned to file a complaint with the Justice Department. On Sunday, Puckett pleaded guilty to the public intoxication charge in exchange for time served - her night in jail. Her husband, whose family posted bail to have him released, pleaded no contest and received a year's probation, a $300 fine and community service. Puckett does not know the identity of the person who took her picture. Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Be interesting to see how this one ends up
++ | DC Fires Tech Contractors, Puts Employees On Leave | | from the stirring-the-pot dept. | | posted by Soulskill on Saturday March 21, @08:15 (Government)| | http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/21/033213 | ++ [0]theodp writes After Gov. Tim Kaine intervened on his behalf, Vivek Kundra was quietly [1]reinstated to his Federal CIO post on Tuesday after a [2]brief leave following an [3]FBI raid on Kundra's former DC office (Kundra was not implicated). Now, the Washington Post reports that the City of DC plans to [4]fire 23 Technology Office contractors and place 4 employees on leave in the aftermath of the arrests of a [5]Security manager and contractor on [6]bribery charges last week. Another government employee has since been [7]arrested for his role in the scam, and the mayor has promised that the tech office will undergo a '[8]full and formal review.' Discuss this story at: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=09/03/21/033213 Links: 0. mailto:the...@aol.com 1. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/17/chief-information-officer-is-quietly-reinstated/?hp 2. http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/13/2313225tid=266 3. http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/12/1948238tid=103 4. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dc/2009/03/city_to_fire_23_technology_off.html 5. http://www.cio.com/article/484663/Bribery_Case_Creates_IT_Security_Nightmare_in_D.C._Kundra_Impacted_ 6. http://gawker.com/5169537/ 7. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/19/AR2009031901877.html?hpid=topnews 8. http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Mayor-Promises-Review-After-Tech-Office-Scandal.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Guess now we know the mind-set of the leadership and capabilities in both countries
User Sign In Email Address: Example: your_addr...@earthlink.net Password: Forgot Password? Sign in with our secure server Sign in now to: Personalize the content, colors, and layout of your page Choose news headlines, stock quotes, and the weather in your neighborhood Display all the links and information you need in one place Have fun! Over 50 games to play, plus My eBay and My Theaters featuresall with no pop-ups! International News Send to a Friend Printable View Iran's response to US shows mind-set of leadership By BRIAN MURPHY (Associated Press Writer) From Associated Press March 21, 2009 11:58 PM EDT DUBAI, United Arab Emirates - The Iranian leader's rebuff on Saturday to President Barack Obama's offer for dialogue was swift and sweeping: Words from Washington ring hollow without deep policy changes. But Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's response was more than just a dismissive slap at the outreach. It was a broad lesson in the mind-set of Iran's all-powerful theocracy and how it will dictate the pace and tone of any new steps by Obama to chip away at their nearly 30-year diplomatic freeze. lt;a href="" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/news.earthlink.dart/news_300x250_top;abr=!ie;sz=300x250;ptile=5;ord=03326945?">"http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/news.earthlink.dart/news_300x250_top;abr=!ie;sz=300x250;ptile=5;ord=03326945?"gt;lt;img style="float:right;margin-left:5px" src="" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://ad.doubleclick.net/ad/news.earthlink.dart/news_300x250_top;abr=!ie;sz=300x250;ptile=5;ord=03326945?">"http://ad.doubleclick.net/ad/news.earthlink.dart/news_300x250_top;abr=!ie;sz=300x250;ptile=5;ord=03326945?" border=0 height="250" width="300"gt;lt;/agt; "It's the first stage of the bargaining in classic Iranian style: Be tough and play up your toughness," said Abdulkhaleq Abdulla, a professor of regional politics at United Arab Emirates University. "The Iranian leaders are not about concessions at this stage. It's still all about ideology from the Iranian side." For Khamenei and his inner circle, that means appearing to stay true to the 1979 Islamic Revolution and the political narrative of rejecting the United States. Any quick gestures by the ruling clerics to mend ties with Washington could be perceived by hard-liners as a betrayal of the revolution. Iran's non-elected leaders also are carefully weighing how any openings - even small ones - could affect the June 12 presidential race between their apparent choice, hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and reformists led by a former prime minister, Mir Hossein Mousavi. "This is why this will be a very slow, very complicated process between Iran and the United States," said Abdulla. "Even the theocracy can be pragmatic. When they feel it's in the national interest to reach out to America, they will find a way." There are no signs of a spring thaw. Khamenei set the bar impossibly high - demanding an overhaul of U.S. foreign policy, including giving up "unconditional support" for Israel and halting claims that Iran is seeking nuclear arms. Iran insists its nuclear program is only for peaceful energy purposes. "Have you released Iranian assets? Have you lifted oppressive sanctions? Have you given up mudslinging and making accusations against the great Iranian nation and its officials?" Khamenei said in a speech in the northeastern city of Mashhad. The crowd chanted "Death to America." Despite Obama's offer, the State Department still lists Iran as a sponsor of terrorism for its backing of militant groups such as Lebanon's Hezbollah. In Iraq, U.S. officials accuse Iran of aiding Shiite militias whose targets have included American soldiers. "He (Obama) insulted the Islamic Republic of Iran from the first day. If you are right that change has come, where is that change? What is the sign of that change? Make it clear for us what has changed." Still, Khamenei left the door open to better ties with America,
This one could end up being kind of interesting -
++ | The Coming Censorship Wars | | from the just-go-around dept.| | posted by timothy on Saturday March 21, @17:42 (Censorship) | | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/21/2137258 | ++ [0]KentuckyFC writes Many countries censor internet traffic using techniques such as blocking IP addresses, filtering traffic with certain URLs in the data packets and prefix hijacking. Others allow wiretapping of international traffic with few if any legal safeguards. There are growing fears that these practices could trigger a major international incident should international traffic routed through these countries fall victim, whether deliberately or by accident (witness the [1]prefix hijacking of YouTube in Pakistan last year). So how to avoid these places? A group of computer scientists investigating this problem say it turns out to be surprisingly difficult to determine which countries traffic might pass through. But their initial assessment indicates that [2]the countries with the most pervasive censorship policies — China, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia — pose a minimal threat because so little international traffic passes their way. The researchers instead point the finger at western countries that have active censorship policies and carry large amounts of international traffic. They highlight the roles of the two biggest carriers: Great Britain, which actively censors internet traffic, and the US, which allows warrantless wiretapping of international traffic ([3]abstract). Discuss this story at: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=09/03/21/2137258 Links: 0. http://arxivblog.technologyreview.com/ 1. http://www.ripe.net/news/study-youtube-hijacking.html 2. http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/23184/ 3. http://arxiv.org/abs/0903.3218 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Interesting story of the socialist approach to the religious - and what does it have to tell us
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