Re: A Fiscal Economic Program, That I Think Would Work
A family of four gets $606. a month in food stamps in my state- maybe for caviar, truffles, lobster and porterhouse steaks? We have attracted waves of those seeking generous welfare programs. Interesting for a state that originally attracted Scandinavian, German, Irish, Scotch and the religious Catholics, Protestants and Jews. All that hard work means nothing anymore to those that learn to sponge off the System. Even going to prison means 3 meals a day and a roof for some.// Self-sufficiency is a moveable feast. On Mar 27, 10:00�pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I was speaking of the Chinese. They're going back to their farms, probably richer and still self sufficient. Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:42�pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: No. We have been sliced away from our agrarian past and can only hope to be frugal with �dashes of Scotch blood. The Chinese who flooded factory towns will find their way back to their villages. We don't have many villages/family farms in America to retreat to. And- there is nothing easy or cheap about a private garden. I will simply eat less and grow thinner and willowy- it is said to be the best route to a very long life. On Mar 27, 6:26 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Oh yes, but the ones who are out of work for the most part still have land and know how to be self sufficient via farming etc; do we? Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:22 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, they can- but they have their own problems as well. On Mar 27, 6:09 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Truck loads. Not like us, they can afford it. Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:03 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: And I heard the Chinese are buying up American real estate. On Mar 27, 6:01 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I read somewhere where American Realtors are already going overseas to do business. http://www.realestatewindfall.com/2009/02/12/why-are-the-chinese-buyi... Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 5:03 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Members! I have been giving this some thought, and have some ideas for submitting this idea, (once I get the premise of this agenda perfected and ironed out, researched and in a proper format) to the National Republican Committee, as well as the Cato Institute, and (possibly) the Council on Foreign Relations, and several other think tanks. I would really like to hear input, yea's; nay's; This stinks; Horse Hockey; or even Sounds Pretty Good from anyone and everyone. The more bullets that folks can shoot at this, the better I might be able to perfect what it is that I am proposing. Thanks to Marty Carbone and to Mr. Joe Fritz, Esq., (Tampa Florida) for planting the seed of this idea with me, and if you haven't been to Marty's web site, it is an interesting read, whether you agree with all of his premises.Or not!! http://www.alphabeticalist.com/ = As I understand it, there are approximately five million immigrants that are allowed to immigrate into the United States annually. (I have not checked the statute on this, but I have been told this is correct). I am personally aware, that sometimes, the waiting list to immigrate into the United States, by (United States Customs/Department of Homeland Security) is at least three years, and sometimes as long as ten years. Currently, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, (FDIC) has mandated that any and all of the housing foreclosures must be written off of any financial institutions' books, as of NOW. This is currently the crux of our banking institution's problem; *e.g*.; the toxic assets. In a nutshell, these toxic assets are total losses to both the bank that guaranteed the loan, and companies that underwrote the loan, like A.I.G. I propose that the Congress (and the Executive Branch Agencies) mandate, (in Administrative Code versus statute; *e.g*.; Code of Federal Regulations versus United States Code); that a certain percentage of new immigrants who are applying for immigration visas into the United States, get moved up to the head of the line of the immigration waiting list, and be allowed to immigrate into the United States immediately, if they agree to purchase outright, with cash money, one of these toxic assets; at the real value of the home.
Re: America's Top Hospitals...Not One Is For-Profit, Corporate Run
I liked Foghorn! lol Also Daffy Duck! On Mar 27, 9:52�pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Ahh come on rigs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvwh9_HsUmUfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:31�pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm a Tweety Bird fan, doc. LOL On Mar 27, 6:22 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: And this is the icing rigs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov-1S8Xxd94 Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:17 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't give foundations/think tanks much credence. It's terrible what greed inflicts upon honesty and ideas. On Mar 27, 6:07 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Just to open the dialogue, here's an interesting article on foundations which of course fall under the non-profit category http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_438.shtml Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 5:51 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: What do you mean, doc? When I was 31 I got a terrible diagnosis from one team of doctors/hospital and I called D. who insisted I go down to Mayo who had an utterly different solution- which worked. And I paid my bills off- including those for the children by working out agreements with the providers. Now, with great insurance coverage, I avoid doctors. My suspicions are born from my father who was a personal injury attorney and had little respect for them. D. agreed with my jab that he was just a body plumber. I am convinced a friend over-doctored himself into paralysis when he retired.There really isn't a national rating system on professions- which there should be. On Mar 27, 5:02 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: The list was compiled by the nonprofit Consumers Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 2:10 pm, CaliforniaLuis rivcu...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/news/aarp-lists-top-ranked-us-ho... Heart, General * Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland, Ohio * Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. * Children's Hospital Boston, Boston, Mass. * New York-Presbyterian/Columbia, New York, N.Y. * Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, Mass. * Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston, Mass. * The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md. * Stanford University Medical Center, Palo Alto, Calif. * Texas Heart Institute at St. Luke's Episcopal Hospital, Houston, Tex. Cancer, General * The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, Houston, Tex. * Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, New York, N.Y. * Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, Boston, Mass. * Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. * City of Hope, Duarte, Calif. * The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md. * Duke University Hospital, Durham, N.C. * Roswell Park Cancer Institute, Buffalo, N.Y. Mystery Diagnoses * Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. * Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland, Ohio * The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md. * Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, Mass. * Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, Los Angeles, Calif. Neurosurgery * Duke University Hospital, Durham, N.C. * Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. * University of California San Francisco Medical Center, San Francisco, Calif. * Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland, Ohio * Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, Mass. * The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md. * Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, Los Angeles, Calif. Eyes * Bascom Palmer Eye Institute, University of Miami, Miami, Fla. * Wills Eye Institute, Philadelphia, Pa. * Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, Los Angeles, Calif. * Wilmer Eye Institute, The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
I enjoy smoking- why should I give up a pleasure? I am giving up
lunching with Liberals as a trade-off. :-) You know that obesity in
America is counted as a greater health risk versus a lifetime of
smoking, I presume.
On Mar 27, 11:32�pm, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
Rigs: �In Dec I paid $22.10 a carton. Jan mfgr price increase $.2.40 a
carton. �March 1 Ark tax increaase $5.60 a carton. April 1 Fed tax increase
$6.10 per carton. �Price April 2 = $36.20 �a 58% increase. �I now pay appx
70% of price in taxes.
BS. �I Quit. �Annual savings in taxes alone is about $2000.00.
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:10 AM, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote:
Smoking may become a patriot's duty, d.b.! :-) Last carton was $54.
When I said I might start growing tobacco the man behind me said
you'll sooner get marijuana.// Why not redesign the head gasket-
whatever that is- I grow faint when open the hood of my car. I often
wished you could repair a car with a sewing machine or needle and
thread.// I have a large back yard- the last one in the neighborhood-
and have thought of lambs, geese and chickens but would be breaking
city codes although the desecration of breathing space and privacy
around homes doesn't qualify as injurious. But they are.
On Mar 27, 1:04 am, d.b.baker rth...@yahoo.com wrote:
� Obama is simply the icing on the Marxist cake. The takeover has been
underway for decades.
It's the little things, like Chicago charging 16 quarters for an
hour of parking. Or that new red-light camera around the corner, you
know, the one where the yellow changes in 1.5 seconds. Neat, huh. Or
forcing corn oil into your gas tank, blowing the head gasket.
Little things, like Eminent Domain, so the local apparatchik can seize
you property. I'm afraid to even mention all the wrongfully convicted
sitting on death row - the precipitous rise of the Nancy Graces. Or
little Johnny forced into a dangerous school. And the tax on
productivity, the regulations meant to bankrupt business, individuals,
and anyone else not beholden.
How 'bout importing terrorists by the boat load. And the illiterate,
the less militant non-assimilaters. Nervous? Well don't take up
cigarettes, they're nearing 10-dollars a pack. My neighbor Sam has
taken up tobacco farming. On the other side, Mrs. Rose is planting
squash. And potatoes. And Sunday she's going fishing - taking a taxi,
too, she doesn't want to get caught in another roadside, police
shakedown.
While the young are all a Twitter. Tweeting their way down the dead-
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Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
They certainly have! LOL All those free packs of cigs to the military to calm their nerves as well as those included with real meals on airplanes. I have beautiful cigarette and cigar stuff from my parents when smoking was an art- along with drinking. The sad thing is that Americans are more sick these days- from the toxic air they breathe, foods they eat, toys they buy, weapons they create, run-offs of chemicals into their water supply, etc. On Mar 27, 11:38�pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: I stopped a few years ago but just noticed that a cheap pack of cigs here in �Queens is about $8.50. �When I first started smoking I started on Wings because they were 19 cents a pack and the regular Pall Mall cigarettes and Old Gold were 23 cents a pack. �Of course I also drank Bud then because it was 20 cents a frosted mug while Michelob was a quarter. �Things have changed a wee bit since then. Travis wrote: Rigs: �In Dec I paid $22.10 a carton. Jan mfgr price increase $.2.40 a carton. �March 1 Ark tax increaase $5.60 a carton. April 1 Fed tax increase $6.10 per carton. �Price April 2 = $36.20 �a 58% increase. �I now pay appx 70% of price in taxes. BS. �I Quit. �Annual savings in taxes alone is about $2000.00. On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:10 AM, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com mailto:rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: � � Smoking may become a patriot's duty, d.b.! :-) Last carton was $54. � � When I said I might start growing tobacco the man behind me said � � you'll sooner get marijuana.// Why not redesign the head gasket- � � whatever that is- I grow faint when open the hood of my car. I often � � wished you could repair a car with a sewing machine or needle and � � thread.// I have a large back yard- the last one in the neighborhood- � � and have thought of lambs, geese and chickens but would be breaking � � city codes although the desecration of breathing space and privacy � � around homes doesn't qualify as injurious. But they are. � � On Mar 27, 1:04 am, d.b.baker rth...@yahoo.com � � mailto:rth...@yahoo.com wrote: � � Obama is simply the icing on the Marxist cake. The takeover has been � � underway for decades. � � It's the little things, like Chicago charging 16 quarters for an � � hour of parking. Or that new red-light camera around the corner, you � � know, the one where the yellow changes in 1.5 seconds. Neat, huh. Or � � forcing corn oil into your gas tank, blowing the head gasket. � � Little things, like Eminent Domain, so the local apparatchik can � � seize � � you property. I'm afraid to even mention all the wrongfully � � convicted � � sitting on death row - the precipitous rise of the Nancy � � Graces. Or � � little Johnny forced into a dangerous school. And the tax on � � productivity, the regulations meant to bankrupt business, � � individuals, � � and anyone else not beholden. � � How 'bout importing terrorists by the boat load. And the illiterate, � � the less militant non-assimilaters. Nervous? Well don't take up � � cigarettes, they're nearing 10-dollars a pack. My neighbor Sam has � � taken up tobacco farming. On the other side, Mrs. Rose is planting � � squash. And potatoes. And Sunday she's going fishing - taking a � � taxi, � � too, she doesn't want to get caught in another roadside, police � � shakedown. � � While the young are all a Twitter. Tweeting their way down the dead- � � end road.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
I'm glad you survived- even if on the cheap.
On Mar 27, 11:44�pm, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
I got cigs for $1.00 a carton when I was in Viet Nam in 1963 on our little
base. �Bud was 10 cants a can.
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 11:38 PM, dick thompson
rhomp2...@earthlink.netwrote:
I stopped a few years ago but just noticed that a cheap pack of cigs here
in �Queens is about $8.50. �When I first started smoking I started on Wings
because they were 19 cents a pack and the regular Pall Mall cigarettes and
Old Gold were 23 cents a pack. �Of course I also drank Bud then because it
was 20 cents a frosted mug while Michelob was a quarter. �Things have
changed a wee bit since then.
Travis wrote:
Rigs: �In Dec I paid $22.10 a carton. Jan mfgr price increase $.2.40 a
carton. �March 1 Ark tax increaase $5.60 a carton. April 1 Fed tax increase
$6.10 per carton. �Price April 2 = $36.20 �a 58% increase. �I now pay appx
70% of price in taxes.
BS. �I Quit. �Annual savings in taxes alone is about $2000.00.
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:10 AM, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote:
Smoking may become a patriot's duty, d.b.! :-) Last carton was $54.
When I said I might start growing tobacco the man behind me said
you'll sooner get marijuana.// Why not redesign the head gasket-
whatever that is- I grow faint when open the hood of my car. I often
wished you could repair a car with a sewing machine or needle and
thread.// I have a large back yard- the last one in the neighborhood-
and have thought of lambs, geese and chickens but would be breaking
city codes although the desecration of breathing space and privacy
around homes doesn't qualify as injurious. But they are.
On Mar 27, 1:04 am, d.b.baker rth...@yahoo.com wrote:
� Obama is simply the icing on the Marxist cake. The takeover has been
underway for decades.
It's the little things, like Chicago charging 16 quarters for an
hour of parking. Or that new red-light camera around the corner, you
know, the one where the yellow changes in 1.5 seconds. Neat, huh. Or
forcing corn oil into your gas tank, blowing the head gasket.
Little things, like Eminent Domain, so the local apparatchik can seize
you property. I'm afraid to even mention all the wrongfully convicted
sitting on death row - the precipitous rise of the Nancy Graces. Or
little Johnny forced into a dangerous school. And the tax on
productivity, the regulations meant to bankrupt business, individuals,
and anyone else not beholden.
How 'bout importing terrorists by the boat load. And the illiterate,
the less militant non-assimilaters. Nervous? Well don't take up
cigarettes, they're nearing 10-dollars a pack. My neighbor Sam has
taken up tobacco farming. On the other side, Mrs. Rose is planting
squash. And potatoes. And Sunday she's going fishing - taking a taxi,
too, she doesn't want to get caught in another roadside, police
shakedown.
While the young are all a Twitter. Tweeting their way down the dead-
end road.
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Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
Nothing about you is failed. It does remind me of my mother and her medical/surgical merry go round, or F. or D. or J. The mind is the ultimate beauty of being alive. On Mar 27, 9:36�am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Had a laminectomy lower lumber in 1997. Bad move on my part. Led to more surgery via destabilization and complications failed back.Got me off the workaholic merry go round the hard way Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 9:29�am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: actually, studying for exams in OPP and GI next week. Didn't listen to the youtube. Sorry. I'll listen to it later. Have to dash to a scrub/ lumbar puncture lab. Perhaps I'll check back and comment in full over the weekend. As for the premise you're either with us or against us, I've always believed the world contains more gray than black or white. On Mar 27, 10:18�am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm not talking about the party here. My talking point is You are either with us or with the terrorists mentality. What is liberty? Did you listen all the way through?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:54�am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am familiar with the quote. Voting Libertarian was not an option IMHO in the last election. There was no viable option. In order for a serious third party movement to arise, a platform and a viable candidate needs to materialize. I can contribute little in either area until I am finished with my medical education and residencies. On Mar 27, 9:30�am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related � � � � They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. Benjamin Franklin Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:14�am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I'm all for a viable moderate independent party. That may be the best thing to come out of this current messAmericans may just get sick enough of the partisan BS shoveled out by the two main parties. In the last election, Obama was the only viable option for me.and I still think he was a wiser choice than McCain. Only time will tell. If a viable candidate/party arises from the ashes, and embraces common sense over partisanship, I will stand with them. On Mar 27, 9:06�am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Vote independent. Do the MSM propaganda machine a disservice and do The Other Thing! Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:28�am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: It takes two to tango. While Congress does, indeed, pass the budget and disperse the funds, the POTUS does have considerable inputparticularly this POTUS. I am not thrilled with the budget.at all..and I voted for Obama. But I did so with my eyes wide open (I'm not a sheep). If I end up regretting my vote, it will be different in 4 years. On Mar 27, 7:00�am, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: the koolaid drinking libs do show their ignorance, again. �first it is congress, not the president, who spends the money. �President Bush could no have spent one penny without the congress approval. �the dem congress. and it was the dems who not only forced the banks into giving loans to unqualified people, but then denied for years things were spiraling out of control. �it is a marxist dem and his fools in congress who has created more debt in this country than all other presidents in history combined. �no you little lib fools, this whole crisis fall right in the dems lap, like it or not. On Mar 27, 5:24 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: There is very little left to construct in the hands of robber Liberals and ignorant citizens who vote for a fraud. On Mar 27, 3:48 am, coatesmoe coates...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to Bush we (the World) is in a depressing situation. Obama is the only one who is expected to us out of this shi*. All others are sitting and at best complaining about the situation and not willing to be constructive. On Mar 27, 7:04 am, d.b.baker rth...@yahoo.com wrote: Obama is simply the icing on the Marxist cake. The takeover has been underway for decades. It's the little things, like Chicago charging 16 quarters for an hour of parking. Or that new red-light camera around
Re: A Fiscal Economic Program, That I Think Would Work
Crime is probably the best solution. On Mar 27, 5:03�pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Members! I have been giving this some thought, and have some ideas for submitting this idea, (once I get the premise of this agenda perfected and ironed out, researched and in a proper format) to the National Republican Committee, as well as the Cato Institute, and (possibly) the Council on Foreign Relations, �and several other think tanks. I would really like to hear input, yea's; �nay's; �This stinks; Horse Hockey; �or even Sounds Pretty Good from anyone and everyone. � The more bullets that folks can shoot at this, the better I might be able to perfect what it is that I am proposing. Thanks to Marty Carbone and to Mr. Joe Fritz, Esq., (Tampa Florida) for planting the seed of this idea with me, and if you haven't been to Marty's web site, it is an interesting read, whether you agree with all of his premises.Or not!! http://www.alphabeticalist.com/ = As I understand it, there are approximately five million immigrants that are allowed to immigrate into the United States annually. (I have not checked the statute on this, but I have been told this is correct). �I am personally aware, that sometimes, the waiting list to immigrate into the United States, by (United States Customs/Department of Homeland Security) is at least three years, and sometimes as long as ten years. Currently, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, (FDIC) has mandated that any and all of the housing foreclosures must be written off of any financial institutions' books, as of NOW. � This is currently the crux of our banking institution's problem; *e.g*.; the toxic assets. �In a nutshell, these toxic assets are total losses to both the bank that guaranteed the loan, and companies that underwrote the loan, like A.I.G. I propose that the Congress (and the Executive Branch Agencies) mandate, (in Administrative Code versus statute; *e.g*.; Code of Federal Regulations versus United States Code); that a certain percentage of new immigrants who are applying for immigration visas into the United States, get moved up to the head of the line of the immigration waiting list, �and be allowed to immigrate into the United States immediately, if they agree to purchase outright, with cash money, one of these toxic assets; at the real value of the home. �When I say real value, I am talking about what the property's actual pay-off is, versus what the property might now be appraised at. This would do a number of things, to instantly correct the financial imbalances in our Nation, and the recession/depression. First, let's look at the numbers. �Assuming that there are 5,000,000 immigrants applying to come into the United States annually, if we took just 10 percent of those five million, to bump them up in line, providing that they had the wherewithall to purchase one of these homes, (and believe me, there are literally millions of folks clamoring to get into the United States that have the ability to do this!!) then that would be 50 thousand individuals. � Assuming that these 50 thousand individuals were to purchase a home for two hundred thousand dollars, that is one hundred billion dollars pumped into our economy IMMEDIATELY!! More importantly, what would happen, is that these toxic assets, which have been written off, and are on the books as a loss, now become a valid, legitimate asset. �This frees up the credit crunch, literally overnight! Besides the fact that it pumps into the American economy over 100 billion dollars annually, (and probably considerably more than that, because the 200 thousand dollar amount is �a lowball figure) these assets can now be utilized by banks as assets to collateralize and to make loans upon. What am I missing here? Thoughts, ideas, suggestions? I really do think the Republican Party needs to run with this idea. � The only downfall I see, is that those on the far left; e.g.; those that are, More tolerant, kinder, gentler, and more enlightened, (in other words, Far left extremists!!) �could possibly be opposed, because we are going to bump up in line, immigrants who have expendable income, versus the poor, downtrodden, and dependent types, that the Democrat Party wants to allow to immigrate, who would immediately be clamoring for government handouts. Again, I sincerely welcome input here!! Thanks, Keith Let's assume for a moment, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
POLITICALLY CORRECT MARINE??
From: Travis
Subject: POLITICALLY CORRECT MARINE??
Date: Friday, March 27, 2009,
Last Tuesday, as President Obama got off the Helicopter in front of the
White House, he was carrying a baby piglet under each arm. The squared away
Marine guard snaps to attention, Salutes, and says: Nice pigs, Sir.
The President replies: These are not pigs. These are authentic Arkansas
Razorback Hogs. I got one for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and I got
one for Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.
The squared away Marine again snaps to attention, Salutes, and says,
Excellent trade, sir.
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And the vile AG Eric Holder said we were a nation of cowards!
From: Travis
Subject: And the vile AG Eric Holder said we were a nation of cowards!
Date: Friday, March 27, 2009,
* * **You're an
19 year old kid. You're critically wounded, and dying in the jungle in the
Ia Drang Valley , 11-14-1965, LZ X-ray, Vietnam . Your infantry unit is
outnumbered 8 - 1, and the enemy fire is so intense, from 100 or 200 yards
away, that your own Infantry Commander has ordered the MediVac helicopters
to stop coming in.
You're lying there, listening to the enemy machine guns, and you know you're
not getting out. Your family is 1/2 way around the world, 12,000 miles away,
and you'll never see them again. As the world starts to fade in and out, you
know this is the day.
Then, over the machine gun noise, you faintly hear that sound of a
helicopter, and you look up to see an un-armed Huey, but it doesn't seem
real, because no Medi-Vac markings are on it.
Ed Freeman is coming for you. He's not Medi-Vac, so it's not his job, but
he's flying his Huey down into the machine gun fire, after the Medi-Vacs
were ordered not to come.
He's coming anyway. And he drops it in, and sits there in the machine gun
fire, as they load 2 or 3 of you on board.
Then he flies you up and out through the gunfire, to the Doctors and Nurses.
And, he kept coming back 13 more times. And took about 30 of you and
your buddies out, who would never have gotten out.
Medal of Honor Recipient , Ed Freeman , died last Wednesday at the age of
80, in Boise , ID ..May God rest his soul.
I bet you didn't hear about this hero's passing, but we sure were told a
whole bunch about some Hip-Hop Coward beating the crap out of his
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The New California Gold Rush
From: *Travis* Date: Thu, Mar 26, 2009 Subject: The New California Gold Rush The New California Gold Rush Modern-day gold diggers party like it's 1849http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/NEW-CALIFORNIA-GOLD-RUSH.html By CHUCK HENRYhttp://www.nbclosangeles.com/results/?keywords=%22CHUCK+HENRY%22author=ysort=dateand TARA WALLIShttp://www.nbclosangeles.com/results/?keywords=%22TARA+WALLIS%22author=ysort=date Updated 11:55 AM PDT, Wed, Mar 25, 2009 http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/NEW-CALIFORNIA-GOLD-RUSH.html Some days you sit here an make two cents. Some days you make a couple of hundred dollars. I had one good day and made about $10,000,” said one prospector. Within an hour of downtown Los Angeles, people are seeking that one sure commodity. Some California entrepreneurs are searching for gold. Gold Prospecting Adventures in Jamestown, Calif., reported a surge in business early in 2008, well before the economy headed down to its current level... I'm here to find gold, said Kevin Brown. I'm a studio lighting technician in Hollywood, between the writers strike that happened last year, and the Screen Actors Guild, whatever they want to call it. Lately I've had to turn to having to do it for extra cash. Geologists estimate that during the gold rush of 1849 in California, about 80 percent of the gold was never found. Today, with the price of gold soaring and the economy falling, the idea of panning, digging or diving for precious metal has become serious business. There's definitely gold nuggets down in the bottom here, Brown said. Just a matter of getting 30 feet down lower than any old timer or modern prospector has done. And, for people willing to put in the effort, it's paying off. I just wanted a little California gold. That's all I initially started at, said David Perkins, an unemployed aerospace worker from the South Bay. And, one thing led to another, and within my first year, I actually picked up close to two pounds of gold. Where's the best place to find gold? In the Mother Lode country just east of Modesto, Calif., experts say. But prospecting is not easy money. It takes time and a lot of hard work. John Gurney, who came out to California from the East Coast to find gold, was able to pull out about $35,000 worth of gold nuggets over a couple of months. Then there was a dry spell -- and now, John is at it again. Some days you sit here and make two cents. Some days you make a couple of hundred dollars. I had one good day and made about $10,000, Gurney said. This was another one of those good days. Gurney was able to recover several hundred dollars in gold nuggets from the river. And, after running the dirt through a sluice, he took the rest down to the river and sifted out the gold. See these two pieces, said Gurney. They're just sitting right there. California's second gold rush has also created at least one recession-proof business. Keene Engineering of Chatsworth, Calif., makes the equipment you need to find gold -- from plastic pans to large commercial rigs. The owners say their business has doubled. There are hundreds of people coming in here to buy gold pans and sluice boxes, and take their chances of finding gold in the local hills and mountains, said sales manager Patrick Keene. There is a whole new flood of prospectors and miners. Gold also is found in Southern California along riverbanks in the San Gabriel Mountains. One hot spot is a canyon above Azusa, where the road is often lined with campers. Related Stories - Smuggler's Cheesy Ploy Foiledhttp://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/weird/Smugglers-Cheesy-Ploy-Foiled.html Back in my childhood, I use to come up quite a bit with my parents, said David Perkins. But not until I was in my early 20s did I know that gold was in the river. There aren't many places like this. Once more people find out about it, it's going to get really crowded up here this year. When asked if prospectors give out the location of a really good find, Perkins responded, If we're sitting on a good spot with good gold, we're going to tell you to go about a mile down the river and that's where you're going to find the gold. __._,_.___ Messageshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/grendelreport/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJmOXQyNWJ1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNtc2dzBHN0aW1lAzEyMzgwOTExNTk- MARKETPLACE -- From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=14kok15n5/M=493064.12016295.13271503.10835568/D=groups/S=1705323667:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1238098360/L=/B=SXFEUUPDhFs-/J=1238091160214200/K=2pWZ_nAC.4iNOvOwIH1.Cw/A=5530388/R=0/SIG=11nuutlas/*http://explore.yahoo.com/groups/kraftmealsmadesimple/ -- Do you think you're Smart? Find out your IQ today. Take our quiz at
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The head of the Institute for Health Freedom says now is the time for American residents to rise up if they want to keep control over their health records, because the data soon will be for sale and is forecast to become the next gold rush. WND has reported several times on similar issues, including when parents in Minnesota recently sued the state to prevent the collection of their infants' DNA without permission to use it for research. Institute President Sue Blevins said the new stimulus bill approved by Congress provides for electronic health records for all Americans. The move, she says, weakens an individual's control over his or her own health records to the point that data could be employed for research that may end up being used against the patient. The economic stimulus law plans for every American to use an electronic health record (EHR) and allows those records to be sold for research and public-health purposes – without patients' consent, she explained. http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=93084 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A Fiscal Economic Program, That I Think Would Work
Self sufficiency in America is an illusion. What happens when the funds dry up or become worthless? Most Americans don't know shit about dirt. Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 2:56 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: A family of four gets $606. a month in food stamps in my state- maybe for caviar, truffles, lobster and porterhouse steaks? We have attracted waves of those seeking generous welfare programs. Interesting for a state that originally attracted Scandinavian, German, Irish, Scotch and the religious Catholics, Protestants and Jews. All that hard work means nothing anymore to those that learn to sponge off the System. Even going to prison means 3 meals a day and a roof for some.// Self-sufficiency is a moveable feast. On Mar 27, 10:00 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I was speaking of the Chinese. They're going back to their farms, probably richer and still self sufficient. Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:42 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: No. We have been sliced away from our agrarian past and can only hope to be frugal with dashes of Scotch blood. The Chinese who flooded factory towns will find their way back to their villages. We don't have many villages/family farms in America to retreat to. And- there is nothing easy or cheap about a private garden. I will simply eat less and grow thinner and willowy- it is said to be the best route to a very long life. On Mar 27, 6:26 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Oh yes, but the ones who are out of work for the most part still have land and know how to be self sufficient via farming etc; do we? Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:22 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, they can- but they have their own problems as well. On Mar 27, 6:09 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Truck loads. Not like us, they can afford it. Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:03 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: And I heard the Chinese are buying up American real estate. On Mar 27, 6:01 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I read somewhere where American Realtors are already going overseas to do business. http://www.realestatewindfall.com/2009/02/12/why-are-the-chinese-buyi... Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 5:03 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Members! I have been giving this some thought, and have some ideas for submitting this idea, (once I get the premise of this agenda perfected and ironed out, researched and in a proper format) to the National Republican Committee, as well as the Cato Institute, and (possibly) the Council on Foreign Relations, and several other think tanks. I would really like to hear input, yea's; nay's; This stinks; Horse Hockey; or even Sounds Pretty Good from anyone and everyone. The more bullets that folks can shoot at this, the better I might be able to perfect what it is that I am proposing. Thanks to Marty Carbone and to Mr. Joe Fritz, Esq., (Tampa Florida) for planting the seed of this idea with me, and if you haven't been to Marty's web site, it is an interesting read, whether you agree with all of his premises.Or not!! http://www.alphabeticalist.com/ = As I understand it, there are approximately five million immigrants that are allowed to immigrate into the United States annually. (I have not checked the statute on this, but I have been told this is correct). I am personally aware, that sometimes, the waiting list to immigrate into the United States, by (United States Customs/Department of Homeland Security) is at least three years, and sometimes as long as ten years. Currently, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, (FDIC) has mandated that any and all of the housing foreclosures must be written off of any financial institutions' books, as of NOW. This is currently the crux of our banking institution's problem; *e.g*.; the toxic assets. In a nutshell, these toxic assets are total losses to both the bank that guaranteed the loan, and companies that underwrote the loan, like A.I.G. I propose that the Congress (and the Executive Branch Agencies) mandate, (in Administrative Code versus statute; *e.g*.; Code of Federal Regulations versus United States Code); that a certain percentage of new immigrants who are applying for immigration visas into the
LEARNING ABOUT THINGS
This is a first attempt. I'm trying to find out how many people see this economic mess the way I do. What I mean is something like this: is it obvious to everyone else that by bailing out the banks we have given them our money to make it possible for them to foreclose on us? Because if they had been allowed to fail how could they foreclose on us? I got this idea from here: http://www.blueprismx.com/Shadows.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
I don't know rigs; There have been time when a lobotomy sounded like a healthy alternative but I chose BEER instead hehehehehheheh BTW I quit smoking in 99 (for the third and final time) and don't mess with John Barleycorn anymore least I do the bastard takes me hostage every time ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8VlcbndXdMfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 3:46 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Nothing about you is failed. It does remind me of my mother and her medical/surgical merry go round, or F. or D. or J. The mind is the ultimate beauty of being alive. On Mar 27, 9:36 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Had a laminectomy lower lumber in 1997. Bad move on my part. Led to more surgery via destabilization and complications failed back.Got me off the workaholic merry go round the hard way Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 9:29 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: actually, studying for exams in OPP and GI next week. Didn't listen to the youtube. Sorry. I'll listen to it later. Have to dash to a scrub/ lumbar puncture lab. Perhaps I'll check back and comment in full over the weekend. As for the premise you're either with us or against us, I've always believed the world contains more gray than black or white. On Mar 27, 10:18 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm not talking about the party here. My talking point is You are either with us or with the terrorists mentality. What is liberty? Did you listen all the way through?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:54 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am familiar with the quote. Voting Libertarian was not an option IMHO in the last election. There was no viable option. In order for a serious third party movement to arise, a platform and a viable candidate needs to materialize. I can contribute little in either area until I am finished with my medical education and residencies. On Mar 27, 9:30 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. Benjamin Franklin Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:14 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I'm all for a viable moderate independent party. That may be the best thing to come out of this current messAmericans may just get sick enough of the partisan BS shoveled out by the two main parties. In the last election, Obama was the only viable option for me.and I still think he was a wiser choice than McCain. Only time will tell. If a viable candidate/party arises from the ashes, and embraces common sense over partisanship, I will stand with them. On Mar 27, 9:06 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Vote independent. Do the MSM propaganda machine a disservice and do The Other Thing! Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:28 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: It takes two to tango. While Congress does, indeed, pass the budget and disperse the funds, the POTUS does have considerable inputparticularly this POTUS. I am not thrilled with the budget.at all..and I voted for Obama. But I did so with my eyes wide open (I'm not a sheep). If I end up regretting my vote, it will be different in 4 years. On Mar 27, 7:00 am, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: the koolaid drinking libs do show their ignorance, again. first it is congress, not the president, who spends the money. President Bush could no have spent one penny without the congress approval. the dem congress. and it was the dems who not only forced the banks into giving loans to unqualified people, but then denied for years things were spiraling out of control. it is a marxist dem and his fools in congress who has created more debt in this country than all other presidents in history combined. no you little lib fools, this whole crisis fall right in the dems lap, like it or not. On Mar 27, 5:24 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: There is very little left to construct in the hands of robber Liberals and ignorant citizens who vote for a fraud. On Mar 27, 3:48 am, coatesmoe coates...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to Bush we (the World) is in a depressing situation. Obama is the only one who is expected to us out of this shi*.
Re: LEARNING ABOUT THINGS
[The] Bank of the United States... is one of the most deadly hostility existing, against the principles and form of our Constitution... An institution like this, penetrating by its branches every part of the Union, acting by command and in phalanx, may, in a critical moment, upset the government. I deem no government safe which is under the vassalage of any self-constituted authorities, or any other authority than that of the nation, or its regular functionaries. What an obstruction could not this bank of the United States, with all its branch banks, be in time of war! It might dictate to us the peace we should accept, or withdraw its aids. Ought we then to give further growth to an institution so powerful, so hostile? Thomas Jefferson http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1325.htm Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 1:49 am, contact prz...@yahoo.com wrote: This is a first attempt. I'm trying to find out how many people see this economic mess the way I do. What I mean is something like this: is it obvious to everyone else that by bailing out the banks we have given them our money to make it possible for them to foreclose on us? Because if they had been allowed to fail how could they foreclose on us? I got this idea from here: http://www.blueprismx.com/Shadows.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Warmonger!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5063523/Barack-Obama-vows-to-dismantle-al-Qaeda-and-Taliban-in-Afghanistan-and-Pakistan.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
What a surprise - the Brits are seeing Bambi clearer than the US is but we are getting there
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How dare they even write about this subject - RACIST!!
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What part of why didn't she get her citizenship or at least put it in train since she is so smart
Editorial Observer Dont Deport Benita Veliz Sign In to E-Mail Print ShareClose Linkedin Digg Facebook Mixx My Space Yahoo! Buzz Permalink By LAWRENCE DOWNES Published: March 28, 2009 A question from the realm of the unanswerable: How will this country be a better place once we force Benita Veliz to leave it? Ms. Veliz is an illegal immigrant facing deportation, but she is nobodys idea of a criminal, social undesirable or drain on the public till. She is a 23-year-old college graduate from San Antonio who works in a church office. She is smart, self-sufficient and hard-working. She is bursting with academic and professional ambitions dreams that she has set aside because her paths to achieve them have all been closed. Immigration lawyers have told her that she has no hope of avoiding expulsion. She can only postpone it. Ms. Veliz is here illegally, but not by choice. She arrived from Mexico with her parents in 1993 on a tourist visa. She was 8. She had never lived in the United States before but has lived nowhere else since. By all detectable measures, she is an American, a Texan. And an impressive one at that. She was valedictorian at Jefferson High School, graduating at age 16. She went to St. Marys University in San Antonio on a full scholarship. She doubled majored in biology and sociology and fully deployed herself beyond the classroom in clubs, student government, choir. She volunteered in a childrens hospital. And she waited tables 45 hours a week in a Mexican restaurant. Her honors thesis was about the Dream Act. A quick digression about that. The Dream Act is a Congressional bill that would allow children of illegal immigrants to earn citizenship after going to college or serving in the military. The idea is that America should not expel but assimilate dedicated young people who are not at fault for their illegal status. The Dream Act seeks to make citizens out of people, like Benita Veliz, who are longing and fighting for its passage. Bipartisan Dream Act bills were introduced in the House and Senate just this week, their future uncertain. Ms. Veliz wanted to go to law school, but couldnt afford tuition and didnt qualify for federal loans. So she started a photography and design business, taught piano and tutored in math and science. She now works in a regional office of a Pentecostal church in San Antonio, doing payroll and other administrative tasks. Her fateful encounter with the law happened on Jan. 21. A police officer pulled her over, saying she had rolled through a stop sign. She says that is not true, but she acknowledges driving without a license. She had a Mexican consular identity card, and after a series of questions, the officer called immigration authorities. She was jailed overnight and released on bond. Nancy Shivers, an immigration lawyer in San Antonio whom Ms. Veliz has consulted, said she met some of the requirements that might have allowed her to stay in the United States. She has been here more than 10 years and is demonstrably of good moral character. But without a qualifying parent, spouse or child to petition on her behalf, she cannot stay. Ms. Shivers says Ms. Veliz is a poster child for the Dream Act, but hardly the only one. For every Benita Veliz, she said, there many others who dropped out because they saw no point in getting a college degree. They are working in low-wage jobs, off the books, their bright futures prematurely dead-ended. Ms. Velizs voice cracks when talking about her case, but she gets excited when asked about her dreams. The words just tumble out: I would like to go to law school and be an attorney for a few years, and then after that get into politics on a Congressional level, either senator or representative. Ive actually always wanted to do international relations, get a masters in international relations, with a law degree. I would want to do international law, or immigration law, but not really just that, but thats just one small sort of thing in the long spectrum of things. For Ms. Veliz, the long spectrum of things might involve a long or permanent stay in Mexico, a country that she does not know or belong in anymore. As for the country she knows and loves, if it were smarter and kinder, more like the country we see in fuzzy old documentaries, where hopeful families cluster on the decks of ships passing the Statue of Liberty, it would find a way to let her stay. It would let her go to law school. It would accept Benita Veliz as the American she is. Next Article in Opinion (8 of 27) A version of this article appeared in print on March 28, 2009, on page A20 of the New York edition.
Interesting how the change in media approach is with the change in administration
March 28, 2009 Op-Ed Contributor Graveyard Myths By PETER BERGEN AS President Obama orders an additional 21,000 troops to Afghanistan, he faces growing skepticism over the United States' prospects there. Critics of the troop buildup often point out that Afghanistan has long been the graveyard of empires. In 1842, the British lost a nasty war that ended when fierce tribesmen notoriously destroyed an army of thousands retreating from Kabul. And, of course, the Soviets spent almost a decade waging war in Afghanistan, only to give up ignominiously in 1989. But in fact, these are only two isolated examples. Since Alexander the Great, plenty of conquerors have subdued Afghanistan. In the early 13th century, Genghis Khan's Mongol hordes ravaged the country's two major cities. And in 1504, Babur, the founder of the Mughal Empire in India, easily took the throne in Kabul. Even the humiliation of 1842 did not last. Three and a half decades later, the British initiated a punitive invasion and ultimately won the second Anglo-Afghan war, which gave them the right to determine Afghanistan's foreign policy. The Soviet disaster of the 1980s, for its part, cannot be credited to the Afghans' legendary fighting skills alone, as the mujahideen were kept afloat by billions of dollars worth of aid from the United States and Saudi Arabia and sophisticated American military hardware like anti-aircraft Stinger missiles, which ended the Soviets' total air superiority. In any case, today's American-led intervention in Afghanistan can hardly be compared to the Soviet occupation. The Soviet Army employed a scorched-earth policy, killing more than a million Afghans, forcing some five million more to flee the country, and sowing land mines everywhere. While the American military is killing too many Afghan civilians, in any given year the numbers are in the hundreds, not the hundreds of thousands. And even the most generous estimates of today's Taliban insurgency suggest it is no more than 20,000 men. About 10 times as many Afghans fought against the Soviet occupation. The Soviet experience in Afghanistan weighed heavily on the minds of Bush administration policymakers, who kept a light footprint lest Afghans rebuff American and allied soldiers as hated occupiers. But as it turned out, the Afghans were widely enthusiastic about being liberated from the Taliban. In an ABC/BBC poll conducted in 2005, a full four years after the fall of the Taliban, 8 in 10 Afghans expressed a favorable opinion of the United States --- an extraordinary proportion in a Muslim nation --- and the same number supported the American-led overthrow of the Taliban in their country. And just last month, in a new poll by ABC and the BBC, 58 percent of Afghans named the Taliban as the greatest threat to their nation. Only 8 percent said it was the United States. And while only 47 percent of Afghans still had a favorable opinion of America, the Taliban fared far worse, with just 7 percent approval. What Afghans want is for international forces to do what they should have been doing all along --- provide them the security they need to get on with making a living. That means building up the Afghan Army and police, which are only about one-fourth the size of the security services in Iraq. This will not come cheap, but the cost of putting an Afghan soldier in the field is only one-seventieth that of sending an American. President Obama, who will travel to Europe for NATO's 60th anniversary in early April, can ask those European countries that are reluctant to send additional troops to Afghanistan to instead contribute to a permanent fund to help pay for the expanded Afghan security services. The United States should also focus on projects that will bring both security and economic benefits to Afghans. A key task is to secure the all-important road between Kabul and Kandahar, a once-pleasant freeway that has become a nightmarish gantlet of potential Taliban ambushes. Afghanistan's vast opium/heroin industry finances the Taliban and feeds rampant government corruption. The American Drug Enforcement Administration should make public the names of the top Afghan drug lords, including government officials, so that they can no longer act with impunity. And because Afghanistan's court system is still incapable of handling major drug cases, Kabul should sign a treaty with Washington that would allow key heroin traffickers to be tried in the United States. Measures like these would help return Afghanistan to something like the state it was before the Soviets invaded in 1979: a relatively peaceful country slowly building itself into something more than a purely agricultural economy. Afghanistan is no longer the graveyard of any empire. Rather, it just might become the model of a somewhat stable Central Asian state. Peter Bergen is a senior fellow at the New America Foundation and the author of The Osama
Re: And the vile AG Eric Holder said we were a nation of cowards!
Hey Travis,
Thanks for this one.
On Mar 28, 4:55 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Travis
Subject: And the vile AG Eric Holder said we were a nation of cowards!
Date: Friday, March 27, 2009,
* * **You're an
19 year old kid. You're critically wounded, and dying in the jungle in the
Ia Drang Valley , 11-14-1965, LZ X-ray, Vietnam . Your infantry unit is
outnumbered 8 - 1, and the enemy fire is so intense, from 100 or 200 yards
away, that your own Infantry Commander has ordered the MediVac helicopters
to stop coming in.
You're lying there, listening to the enemy machine guns, and you know you're
not getting out. Your family is 1/2 way around the world, 12,000 miles away,
and you'll never see them again. As the world starts to fade in and out, you
know this is the day.
Then, over the machine gun noise, you faintly hear that sound of a
helicopter, and you look up to see an un-armed Huey, but it doesn't seem
real, because no Medi-Vac markings are on it.
Ed Freeman is coming for you. He's not Medi-Vac, so it's not his job, but
he's flying his Huey down into the machine gun fire, after the Medi-Vacs
were ordered not to come.
He's coming anyway. And he drops it in, and sits there in the machine gun
fire, as they load 2 or 3 of you on board.
Then he flies you up and out through the gunfire, to the Doctors and Nurses.
And, he kept coming back 13 more times. And took about 30 of you and
your buddies out, who would never have gotten out.
Medal of Honor Recipient , Ed Freeman , died last Wednesday at the age of
80, in Boise , ID ..May God rest his soul.
I bet you didn't hear about this hero's passing, but we sure were told a
whole bunch about some Hip-Hop Coward beating the crap out of his
girlfriend.
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Re: What part of why didn't she get her citizenship or at least put it in train since she is so smart
Mexico could use someone like her On Mar 28, 8:40 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Editorial Observer Don't Deport Benita Veliz * Sign In to E-Mail http://www.nytimes.com/auth/login?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/... * Print http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/28/opinion/28sat4.html?th=emc=thpage... * Share http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/28/opinion/28sat4.html?themc=th#Close http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/28/opinion/28sat4.html?themc=th# o Linkedin http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/28/opinion/28sat4.html?themc=th# o Digg http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/28/opinion/28sat4.html?themc=th# o Facebook http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/28/opinion/28sat4.html?themc=th# o Mixx http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/28/opinion/28sat4.html?themc=th# o My Space http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/28/opinion/28sat4.html?themc=th# o Yahoo! Buzz http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/28/opinion/28sat4.html?themc=th# o Permalink http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/28/opinion/28sat4.html?themc=th# o Article Tools Sponsored By http://www.nytimes.com/adx/bin/adx_click.html?type=gotopage=www.nyti... By LAWRENCE DOWNES Published: March 28, 2009 A question from the realm of the unanswerable: How will this country be a better place once we force Benita Veliz to leave it? Ms. Veliz is an illegal immigrant facing deportation, but she is nobody's idea of a criminal, social undesirable or drain on the public till. She is a 23-year-old college graduate from San Antonio who works in a church office. She is smart, self-sufficient and hard-working. She is bursting with academic and professional ambitions --- dreams that she has set aside because her paths to achieve them have all been closed. Immigration lawyers have told her that she has no hope of avoiding expulsion. She can only postpone it. Ms. Veliz is here illegally, but not by choice. She arrived from Mexico with her parents in 1993 on a tourist visa. She was 8. She had never lived in the United States before but has lived nowhere else since. By all detectable measures, she is an American, a Texan. And an impressive one at that. She was valedictorian at Jefferson High School, graduating at age 16. She went to St. Mary's University in San Antonio on a full scholarship. She doubled majored in biology and sociology and fully deployed herself beyond the classroom in clubs, student government, choir. She volunteered in a children's hospital. And she waited tables 45 hours a week in a Mexican restaurant. Her honors thesis was about the Dream Act. A quick digression about that. The Dream Act is a Congressional bill that would allow children of illegal immigrants to earn citizenship after going to college or serving in the military. The idea is that America should not expel but assimilate dedicated young people who are not at fault for their illegal status. The Dream Act seeks to make citizens out of people, like Benita Veliz, who are longing --- and fighting --- for its passage. Bipartisan Dream Act bills were introduced in the House and Senate just this week, their future uncertain. Ms. Veliz wanted to go to law school, but couldn't afford tuition and didn't qualify for federal loans. So she started a photography and design business, taught piano and tutored in math and science. She now works in a regional office of a Pentecostal church in San Antonio, doing payroll and other administrative tasks. Her fateful encounter with the law happened on Jan. 21. A police officer pulled her over, saying she had rolled through a stop sign. She says that is not true, but she acknowledges driving without a license. She had a Mexican consular identity card, and after a series of questions, the officer called immigration authorities. She was jailed overnight and released on bond. Nancy Shivers, an immigration lawyer in San Antonio whom Ms. Veliz has consulted, said she met some of the requirements that might have allowed her to stay in the United States. She has been here more than 10 years and is demonstrably of good moral character. But without a qualifying parent, spouse or child to petition on her behalf, she cannot stay. Ms. Shivers says Ms. Veliz is a poster child for the Dream Act, but hardly the only one. For every Benita Veliz, she said, there many others who dropped out because they saw no point in getting a college degree. They are working in low-wage jobs, off the books, their bright futures prematurely dead-ended. Ms. Veliz's voice cracks when talking about her case, but she gets excited when asked about her dreams. The words just tumble out: I would like to go to law school and be an attorney for a few years, and then after that get into politics on a Congressional level, either senator or
Wag the Rush
When people stop paying attention to your Wag the Rush distraction you have to find a new misdirection from your domestic failure. ** ** ** * **[image: New York Times]* http://www.nytimes.com/ *http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/28/us/politics/28prexy.html?hp* ** *White House Debate Led to Plan to Widen Afghan Effort* ** *By HELENE COOPERhttp://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/helene_cooper/index.html?inline=nyt-perand ERIC SCHMITThttp://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/eric_schmitt/index.html?inline=nyt-per * Published: March 27, 2009 WASHINGTON — President Obamahttp://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/barack_obama/index.html?inline=nyt-per’s plan to widen United States involvement in Afghanistanhttp://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/afghanistan/index.html?inline=nyt-geocame after an internal debate in which Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/joseph_r_jr_biden/index.html?inline=nyt-perwarned against getting into a political and military quagmire, while military advisers argued that the Afghanistan war effort could be imperiled without even more troops. *All of the president’s advisers agreed that the primary goal in the region should be narrow — taking aim at **Al Qaeda*http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/a/al_qaeda/index.html?inline=nyt-org *, as opposed to the vast attempt at nation-building the Bush administration had sought in Iraq. The question was how to get there.* *The commanders in the field wanted a firmer and long-term commitment of more combat troops beyond **the 17,000 that Mr. Obama had already promised to send* http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/18/washington/18web-troops.html*, and a pledge that billions of dollars would be found to significantly expand the number of Afghan security forces. * *Defense Secretary **Robert M. Gates*http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/g/robert_m_gates/index.html?inline=nyt-per * and Adm. **Mike Mullen*http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/michael_g_mullen/index.html?inline=nyt-per *, chairman of the **Joint Chiefs of Staff*http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/j/joint_chiefs_of_staff/index.html?inline=nyt-org *, pressed for an additional 4,000 troops to be sent to Afghanistan — but only to serve as trainers. They tempered the commanders’ request and agreed to put off any decision to order more combat troops to Afghanistan until the end of this year, when the strategy’s progress could be assessed. * *During these discussions, Mr. Biden was the voice of caution, reminding the group members that they would have to sell their plans to a skeptical Congress. * *This article is based on interviews with half a dozen officials who were involved in the debate. All requested anonymity because they were discussing meetings that involved classified material and the shaping of policy.* *Mr. Obama left a final White House meeting in the Situation Room last Friday signaling to participants that he was close to a decision, but that he wanted to get comfortable with what he was going to do. He mulled the issue while at the Camp David presidential retreat over the weekend. On Wednesday, he told his top aides that he had made up his mind.* *In announcing a plan on Friday that could be his signature foreign policy effort, Mr. Obama said that he would send more troops — some 4,000 — but stipulated that they would not carry out combat missions, and would instead be used to train the Afghan Army and the national police. He left himself open to the possibility of sending more as the situation warrants. * *The debate over the past few weeks offered a glimpse into how Mr. Obama makes decisions. In this case, he chose a compromise between his political and military advisers that some critics say includes some strategic holes, such as a reliance on the same sort of vague guidelines that proved difficult to carry out in Iraq. It also offers insight into the role of Mr. Biden and other members of a foreign policy team that includes many powerful figures vying for Mr. Obama’s attention. * *In the end the plan is a compromise that reflected all of the strains of the discussion among his advisers, one that is markedly different, though perhaps no less difficult, from the goals his predecessor set for the region. In speaking of Afghanistan and Iraq, President Bush spoke of lofty goals that included building nations that could stand as models of democracy in the Muslim world.* *By contrast, at a White House news conference in which he invoked concerns of another possible terrorist attack on United States soil, Mr. Obama framed the issue as one that relies on one central tenet: protecting Americans from attacks like the one that occurred on Sept. 11, 2001. * *To do so, he said he would increase aid to Pakistan and
Good one
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South Park
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Check this one out on the volcano in Alaska
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Bambi vs the Facts
*Obama Versus The Facts: *Obama's press conference last Tuesday got FactChecked http://www.factcheck.org/politics/obamas_prime_time_pitch.html. President Obama sometimes strayed from the facts or made dubious claims during his hour-long evening news conference March 24. . He said his budget projections are based on economic assumptions that are perfectly consistent with what Blue Chip forecasters out there are saying. Not true. The average projection by leading private economists is now for substantially less economic growth than the administration's forecast assumes. . He said he is reducing nondefense discretionary spending to less than it was under the past four presidents. Not true. His own forecast for the final budget of his four-year term puts this figure higher than in many years under Reagan, Clinton or either Bush. . He said he was angry about inexcusable bonuses paid to AIG executives. But he glossed over the fact that his own aides insisted on watering down a Senate-passed amendment that might have prevented payment of such bonuses. . He repeated that his budget is projected to cut the federal deficit in half by the end of his term. That's true, but deficits also are projected to shoot up again later unless big policy changes are made. Those don't strike me as small errors. And, as always when we find these discrepancies, we have to wonder whether the politician believes what he said. I don't know whether Obama believes all of those dubious claims --- but I fear that he believes some of them. (I suppose that I will have to look over the transcript and see if I can find even more mistakes.) - 11:04 AM, 27 March 2009 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
This is not a parody
*This Is Not A Parody *What do leftwing journalists say to each other in private? I've often wondered; that's why, for instance, that I have been doing my series on KUOW's Gang of Four http://www.seanet.com/%7Ejimxc/Politics/Site_Answers.html#ans8. Though the discussion on that program is hardly private, it is, from time to time, more candid than what these same journalists write. Like many others, I wondered even more after Michael Calderone wrote his piece on the JournoList http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20086.html. For the past two years, several hundred left-leaning bloggers, political reporters, magazine writers, policy wonks and academics have talked stories and compared notes in an off-the-record online meeting space called JournoList. And now Mickey Kaus has published a sample http://slate.msn.com/blogs/blogs/kausfiles/default.aspx of the conversations on JournoList. Much of it is too crude to quote here, but you can get some of the flavor from the thread title: Marty Peretz is a Crazy-Ass Racist. That's Martin Peretz, editor of the New Republic. Peretz is neither a racist nor crazy-ass. As Kaus says, this is not a parody. At least, I would add, not an /intentional/ parody. If I had to summarize my own reaction to this thread, I would say that these journalists are even worse than I thought they were. And this detail may be significant. One of the members of this group is Peter Orszag http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=14554, former head of the Congressional Budget Office, and, currently, Obama's Budget Director. Those who have read that thread will wonder about Orszag's taste. - 10:07 AM, 27 March 2009 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
This is all too true
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Latest Obama Admin Brainchild
The latest Obama Administration Brainchild ... ... is not only to release Guantanamo inmates, but to allow them to live in the United States -- AND pay them to do so. What could possibly go wrong? http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.18e9e5692442aa61d7510553b5ffc14e.e01show_article=1 President Barack Obama's intelligence chief confirmed Thursday that some Guantanamo inmates may be released on US soil and receive assistance to return to society. If we are to release them in the United States, we need some sort of assistance for them to start a new life, said National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair at his first press conference. You can't just put them on the street, he added. All that is work in progress. In other news, a regression analysis of CounterColumn tags finds an extraordinarily high correlation coefficient between the tags Obama and Stupid. Splash, out Jason Labels: Gitmo http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/Gitmo, Obama http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/Obama, stupid http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/stupid, War on Terror http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/War%20on%20Terror [CLICK HERE TO ENTER THE NET] http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/2009/03/latest-obama-administration-brainchild.html posted by Jason : 16:04 EST 1 transmissions this net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
The man is on a roll today - about social security surpluses
Social Security Surpluses Vanishing Fast Things look ugly. http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/26/sayonara-social-security-surpluses/ It's even uglier when you consider that the drooling ignoramuses who point to the large Social Security trust fund think they can simply liquidate the trust fund and the whole thing is funded with magic pony pellets from some source other than new taxes and the general revenue. I'm convinced that any moderately informed person who can cooly claim that a Social Security system going cash-flow-negative does not mean that the system is in crisis can only be a pathological liar. Look for a sharp increase in means-testing, a substantial increase in the taxable wage base, and the raising of the retirement age in the very near future. Taxes will go up. Whether the FICA rate will go up, or whether the costs will be buried in income rates matters little now. Further, without an operating surplus, the window for a partial privatization is snapping shut. But at least Obama wants to let terrorists roam free in Peoria. So that's something to look forward to. Splash, out Jason Labels: economy http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/economy, finance http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/finance, Social Security http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/Social%20Security, stupid http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/stupid [CLICK HERE TO ENTER THE NET] http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/2009/03/social-security-surpluses-vanishing.html posted by Jason : 16:18 EST, Friday, March 27, 2009 0 transmissions this net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
How to understand our Money and Banking System
Download the 165-page .pdf of the book ... How to understand our Money and Banking System This book has links to, and downloads of, dozens and dozens of the best (and some of the worst) economic information that has ever been written: A sample ... Mortimer Adler and Louis Kelso, The Capitalist Manifesto ... Lord Acton, The History of Freedom in Antiquity ... Claude Frederic Bastiat, The Law ... Major Clifford Hugh Douglas, Social Credit ... Thomas Edison and Henry Ford. On Government Bonds ... Henry George, Progress and Poverty One of the most influential economic books ever written ... William Gouge, advisor to President Jackson, On the Principles of the Money System ... Alan Greenspan, he of great, but dubious renown, Gold and Economic Freedom ... Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf ... Norman G. Kurland, A New Look at Prices and Money ... Stan J. Leibowitz, ... Causes of the Mortgage Meltdown ... U.S Government ... FDIC and FRB Laws and Regulations ... Abraham Lincoln, Monetary Policy ... Marx and Engels, The Communist Manifesto ... George Orwell, 1984 and Animal Farm ... Tom Paine, Common Sense and On Economics ... Wright Patman, my hero, A Primer On Money ... Pierre Joseph Proudhon, What is Property?; An Inquiry Into the Principle of Right and of Government ... Murray N. Rothbard, The Mystery of Banking ... Jean Jaques Rousseau, The Social Contract ... Adam Smith, An Inquiry Into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations ... and way, way, way more .. Download at http://www.alphabeticalist.com It is your duty as a citizen to learn AS MUCH AS YOU CAN STAND about economics, and help your country get out of this mess -- we argue that a few simple changes and very little money can put the ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL POWER back into the hands of the people. Let me know how I can improve the website Marty Carbone --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Olbermann is really nuts-o
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Fwd: fyi
*CABLE NEWS RACE TUES., MARCH 10, 2009 FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,212,000 FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,376,000 FOXNEWS BECK 2,331,000 FOXNEWS BAIER 2,274,000 FOXNEWS SHEP 2,044,000 FOXNEWS GRETA 1,965,000 CNN COOPER 1,214,000 CNN KING 1,185,000 MSNBC MADDOW 1,041,000 CNNHN GRACE 986,000 MSNBC OLBERMANN 928,000 * --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
your idiot at work
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Interesting posting - and makes sense to me - how do these senators live with themselves handing money to ACORN
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AP Continues to Perpetuate US-Kyoto Myth from 1997
AP Continues to Perpetuate US-Kyoto 1997 Mythology http://www.bizzyblog.com/2009/03/28/ap-continues-to-perpetuate-us-kyoto-1997-mythology/ Filed under: Economy http://www.bizzyblog.com/category/economy/, Environment http://www.bizzyblog.com/category/environment/, MSM Biz/Other Bias http://www.bizzyblog.com/category/msm-biz-bias/, MSM Biz/Other Ignorance http://www.bizzyblog.com/category/msm-biz-ignorance/, Taxes Government http://www.bizzyblog.com/category/taxes-government/ --- TBlumer @ 11:04 am No environment-related historical myth seems stronger than the one claiming that if it weren't for the Republican Congress in the late 1990s and President George W. Bush after that, the US would have ratified the Kyoto Treaty and would be under mandatory strictures designed to combat alleged global warming --- which, as frequently noted here and elsewhere, has been, depending on the source referenced, on hiatus for eight years to over a decade http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3624242/There-IS-a-problem-with-global-warming...-it-stopped-in-1998.html. In an article about the Obama administration's upcoming involvement in international negotiations about so-called climate change after what he calls eight years on the sidelines (US takes new climate change agenda to global talks), the Associated Press's Dina Capiello continued the wire service's dishonorable long-term perpetuation of the GOP-bad, Dems-good myth (just a few previous posts on other AP examples are here http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2008/04/02/here-we-kyoto-again-ap-lets-false-claim-bush-pulled-out-stand, here http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2007/12/12/ap-bookends-year-repeating-kyoto-myth, and here http://newsbusters.org/node/10190 at NewsBusters; here http://www.bizzyblog.com/2008/04/02/here-we-kyoto-again-ap-lets-false-claim-that-bush-pulled-out-stand/, here http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/12/12/ap-bookends-the-year-by-repeating-a-kyoto-myth/, and here http://www.bizzyblog.com/2007/01/16/this-is-really-ignorant-even-by-ap-standards/ at BizzyBlog) by writing that http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CLIMATE_NEGOTIATIONS?SITE=APSECTION=HOMETEMPLATE=DEFAULTCTIME=2009-03-28-07-11-41: And unlike 1997, when the Kyoto Protocol was drafted, there is now a Democratic-controlled Congress moving to embrace mandatory limits on greenhouse gases. Yeah, if it weren't for those nasty Republicans, Bill Clinton and Al Gore would have gotten Kyoto ratified, and all would be right with the world. Uh, not exactly. For the umpteenth time, this is the truth about what happened in 1997, as noted in this 2005 Wall Street Journal editorial http://www.opinionjournal.com/weekend/hottopic/?id=110007665: In 1997, the U.S. Senate adopted the Byrd-Hagel Resolution by 95-0, urging the Clinton Administration not to sign any climate-change protocol that would result in serious harm to the economy. In 1998 Al Gore signed the Protocol. Yet President Clinton never submitted it to the Senate. At the time, there were 45 Democrats http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/one_item_and_teasers/partydiv.htm in the Senate. Obviously, at least 40 Democrats voted for the Byrd-Hagel Resolution. Another clear and inconvenient truth is that Gore's signature was only symbolic. The difference between 2009 and 1997 is not, as Capiello implies, that Congress is controlled by Democrats. It's that there is a Congress that happens to be controlled by Democrats may be, as Capiello claims without qualification and without providing clear evidence, moving to embrace mandatory limits on greenhouse gases. One thing that hasn't changed is AP's dogged and disgraceful insistence on misleading readers about what really happened with Kyoto. /Cross-posted at NewsBusters.org./ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: fyi
poor idiots to stupid to tie your own shoes I bet you don't even know about the PEW foundation surveys of audiences that show that FOX and talk radio audiences are far better informed than you are, and your fellow MSNBC watchers (all 6 of you) On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 12:12 PM, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.comwrote: *CABLE NEWS RACE TUES., MARCH 10, 2009 FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,212,000 FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,376,000 FOXNEWS BECK 2,331,000 FOXNEWS BAIER 2,274,000 FOXNEWS SHEP 2,044,000 FOXNEWS GRETA 1,965,000 CNN COOPER 1,214,000 CNN KING 1,185,000 MSNBC MADDOW 1,041,000 CNNHN GRACE 986,000 MSNBC OLBERMANN 928,000 * --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
Well, that's the new fashion- no smoking or drinking- guess I'm old- fashioned. Whereas, I haven't done drugs and very few rx in my lifetime. Maybe it all evens out in the end. :-) There's a story on bbcnews.com that hot tea causes cancer! What's next? On Mar 28, 7:29�am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I don't know rigs; There have been time when a lobotomy sounded like a healthy alternative but I chose BEER instead hehehehehheheh BTW I quit smoking in 99 (for the third and final time) and don't mess with John Barleycorn anymore least I do the bastard takes me hostage every time ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8VlcbndXdMfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 3:46�am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Nothing about you is failed. It does remind me of my mother and her medical/surgical merry go round, or F. or D. or J. The mind is the ultimate beauty of being alive. On Mar 27, 9:36 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Had a laminectomy lower lumber in 1997. Bad move on my part. Led to more surgery via destabilization and complications failed back.Got me off the workaholic merry go round the hard way Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 9:29 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: actually, studying for exams in OPP and GI next week. Didn't listen to the youtube. Sorry. I'll listen to it later. Have to dash to a scrub/ lumbar puncture lab. Perhaps I'll check back and comment in full over the weekend. As for the premise you're either with us or against us, I've always believed the world contains more gray than black or white. On Mar 27, 10:18 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm not talking about the party here. My talking point is You are either with us or with the terrorists mentality. What is liberty? Did you listen all the way through?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:54 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am familiar with the quote. Voting Libertarian was not an option IMHO in the last election. There was no viable option. In order for a serious third party movement to arise, a platform and a viable candidate needs to materialize. I can contribute little in either area until I am finished with my medical education and residencies. On Mar 27, 9:30 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. Benjamin Franklin Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:14 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I'm all for a viable moderate independent party. That may be the best thing to come out of this current messAmericans may just get sick enough of the partisan BS shoveled out by the two main parties. In the last election, Obama was the only viable option for me.and I still think he was a wiser choice than McCain. Only time will tell. If a viable candidate/party arises from the ashes, and embraces common sense over partisanship, I will stand with them. On Mar 27, 9:06 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Vote independent. Do the MSM propaganda machine a disservice and do The Other Thing! Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:28 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: It takes two to tango. While Congress does, indeed, pass the budget and disperse the funds, the POTUS does have considerable inputparticularly this POTUS. I am not thrilled with the budget.at all..and I voted for Obama. But I did so with my eyes wide open (I'm not a sheep). If I end up regretting my vote, it will be different in 4 years. On Mar 27, 7:00 am, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: the koolaid drinking libs do show their ignorance, again. first it is congress, not the president, who spends the money. President Bush could no have spent one penny without the congress approval. the dem congress. and it was the dems who not only forced the banks into giving loans to unqualified people, but then denied for years things were spiraling out of control. it is a marxist dem and his fools in congress who has created more debt in this country than all other presidents in history combined. no you little lib fools, this whole crisis fall right in the dems lap, like it or not.
Now turn the situation around and have the student be white and the victims black and what would be the result
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MORPHEAL'S COMMENTARY - March 28 2009 - What Should G20 Do ?, About Medals for Bravery, And About God
Morpheal’s Commentary - March 28th, 2009 - What Should G20 Do ?, Medals for Economic Bravery, AND About God WHAT SHOULD G20 DO ? G20 needs to come up with a “new deal” for the world’s future and all of humanity. They ought to: 1). Come to understand as a group of all that needs to be done in the world in infrastructure, energy, modernization, housing, transportation, environment, conservation, desert reclamation, agriculture, education, health, etc. Consider every nation’s immediate, neglected, and long term needs. We must recognize that this also requires concerted planning, measurement of progress, and some standards so that common goals can be agreed to, to set priorities where necessary. 2). Realize the world has people, raw natural resources, manufacturing potential, enabling doing what needs to be done. The list in item 1) is sufficient to provide work for many generations, not only for today’s population. All of those needs cannot be met in one generation. 3). The missing resource is piles of printed paper (money). 4). List the needs, plan the progress, and provide the money for a new deal for humanity. 5). Establish a funding mechanism that allows enterprises to remedy deficiencies, and make improvements, without severely impacting their bottom line survival. The fund should gain revenue from those who are able to contribute, according to their ability to contribute, and disperse it to those who are in need, according to the merits of their need. For instance where a factory lacks stack scrubbers to remedy air pollution, but cannot afford to remain in business and remedy the defect, the fund would provide the stack scrubbers to maintain that company’s competitive position in relation to its competitors. This will end the fact that the current system only rewards those who avoid doing what is right, because their bottom line remains unimpacted by the costs of doing what is right for the future. We cannot, of course, allow enterprises that are lagging in this regard to be driven out of business, if they make products of value to society and if they maintain reasonable conditions of competition within the market. They must be helped up to an even footing with others, not simply crushed and eliminated by oppressive regulations and rising costs related to the imposing of that hardship. This will answer many currently unanswerable environmental issues in a much faster way, with less damage to society, than any other potential method of handling the problem. This is to be considered a form of legitimate subsidy unlike subsidies which only tend to prop up margins, reducing prices, below what they would have been based on cost accounting models that avoid the type of capital investment that we are discussing. This also permits improvements in working conditions and maintaining of competitive livelihoods where that can become seriously compromised due to lack of any such system. The greater good of society is better served by the increased stability and job security that that type of consideration can offer. It is a fact that were capital pressures increase significantly the workers always tend to lose out, as a corporate entity attempts to cut back to attempt hard pressed survival. 6). Recognize the need for a “value economics” rather than the currently prevalent paradigm of cost / margin based economics. Many of the costs of our economic activities are really not factored into the equation of cost and margin. There are other costs, not calculable in that immediacy, and not calculated into the accounting picture. An example is the effect on the environment, and the costs of subsequent remediation, if remediation is possible. Similarly the value of reclaiming African or Chinese desert land is larger than any currently calculable gain in agricultural productivity from that land, and particularly in relation to the costs of that productivity. So desert reclamation tends to lose out in a strictly cost / margin equation, but in a value economics equation the reclamation of desert gains significant priority. Many projects suffer a similar accounting of cost and margin barrier. There is no calculable profit in the existing system for determining worth and so the project does not get done when in fact a system of real values would immediately place that project high on the list of desirable outcomes based on a more comprehensive consideration of values. Values take into account the negative and positive impact upon the future of the environment and humanity. Cost and margin accounting has no such capability. It cannot provide a true picture of worth, and therefore it cannot provide a good and true basis for determining what ought to be done. 7). That leads to the need for price controls on many commodities as an enabling feature and to provide greater stability and more equitable access to meeting needs. Subsidy of commodity prices where value is high, and costs are excessive, to encourage more local
Be interesting to see what the upshot of this one ends up being
HE'S A WITCH! BURN HIM! Oh, wait -- http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Rep-State-Named-Wrong-Man-Over-AIG-Bonuses.html Christopher Pohle, of New Canaan, was falsely identified as an AIG employee who received a retention bonus, State Representative John W. Hetherington, said in a news release Thursday. To be clear, everyone, he did not get a bonus. Pohle is demanding that the State of Connecticut, including the Attorney General and the legislature's Banks Committee, apologize and issue a retraction. But the government folks were exercising due diligence: State officials obtained the names from media accounts about the bonuses. Posted at 7:18 am by *Glenn Reynolds* --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: And the vile AG Eric Holder said we were a nation of cowards!
TAO: You are most welcome.
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:12 AM, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.comwrote:
Hey Travis,
Thanks for this one.
On Mar 28, 4:55 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Travis
Subject: And the vile AG Eric Holder said we were a nation of cowards!
Date: Friday, March 27, 2009,
* * **You're
an
19 year old kid. You're critically wounded, and dying in the jungle in
the
Ia Drang Valley , 11-14-1965, LZ X-ray, Vietnam . Your infantry unit is
outnumbered 8 - 1, and the enemy fire is so intense, from 100 or 200
yards
away, that your own Infantry Commander has ordered the MediVac
helicopters
to stop coming in.
You're lying there, listening to the enemy machine guns, and you know
you're
not getting out. Your family is 1/2 way around the world, 12,000 miles
away,
and you'll never see them again. As the world starts to fade in and out,
you
know this is the day.
Then, over the machine gun noise, you faintly hear that sound of a
helicopter, and you look up to see an un-armed Huey, but it doesn't seem
real, because no Medi-Vac markings are on it.
Ed Freeman is coming for you. He's not Medi-Vac, so it's not his job, but
he's flying his Huey down into the machine gun fire, after the Medi-Vacs
were ordered not to come.
He's coming anyway. And he drops it in, and sits there in the machine gun
fire, as they load 2 or 3 of you on board.
Then he flies you up and out through the gunfire, to the Doctors and
Nurses.
And, he kept coming back 13 more times. And took about 30 of you
and
your buddies out, who would never have gotten out.
Medal of Honor Recipient , Ed Freeman , died last Wednesday at the age of
80, in Boise , ID ..May God rest his soul.
I bet you didn't hear about this hero's passing, but we sure were told a
whole bunch about some Hip-Hop Coward beating the crap out of his
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Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
Water? Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 1:01 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, that's the new fashion- no smoking or drinking- guess I'm old- fashioned. Whereas, I haven't done drugs and very few rx in my lifetime. Maybe it all evens out in the end. :-) There's a story on bbcnews.com that hot tea causes cancer! What's next? On Mar 28, 7:29 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I don't know rigs; There have been time when a lobotomy sounded like a healthy alternative but I chose BEER instead hehehehehheheh BTW I quit smoking in 99 (for the third and final time) and don't mess with John Barleycorn anymore least I do the bastard takes me hostage every time ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8VlcbndXdMfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 3:46 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Nothing about you is failed. It does remind me of my mother and her medical/surgical merry go round, or F. or D. or J. The mind is the ultimate beauty of being alive. On Mar 27, 9:36 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Had a laminectomy lower lumber in 1997. Bad move on my part. Led to more surgery via destabilization and complications failed back.Got me off the workaholic merry go round the hard way Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 9:29 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: actually, studying for exams in OPP and GI next week. Didn't listen to the youtube. Sorry. I'll listen to it later. Have to dash to a scrub/ lumbar puncture lab. Perhaps I'll check back and comment in full over the weekend. As for the premise you're either with us or against us, I've always believed the world contains more gray than black or white. On Mar 27, 10:18 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm not talking about the party here. My talking point is You are either with us or with the terrorists mentality. What is liberty? Did you listen all the way through?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:54 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am familiar with the quote. Voting Libertarian was not an option IMHO in the last election. There was no viable option. In order for a serious third party movement to arise, a platform and a viable candidate needs to materialize. I can contribute little in either area until I am finished with my medical education and residencies. On Mar 27, 9:30 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. Benjamin Franklin Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:14 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I'm all for a viable moderate independent party. That may be the best thing to come out of this current messAmericans may just get sick enough of the partisan BS shoveled out by the two main parties. In the last election, Obama was the only viable option for me.and I still think he was a wiser choice than McCain. Only time will tell. If a viable candidate/party arises from the ashes, and embraces common sense over partisanship, I will stand with them. On Mar 27, 9:06 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Vote independent. Do the MSM propaganda machine a disservice and do The Other Thing! Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:28 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: It takes two to tango. While Congress does, indeed, pass the budget and disperse the funds, the POTUS does have considerable inputparticularly this POTUS. I am not thrilled with the budget.at all..and I voted for Obama. But I did so with my eyes wide open (I'm not a sheep). If I end up regretting my vote, it will be different in 4 years. On Mar 27, 7:00 am, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: the koolaid drinking libs do show their ignorance, again. first it is congress, not the president, who spends the money. President Bush could no have spent one penny without the congress approval. the dem congress. and it was the dems who not only forced the banks into giving loans to unqualified people, but then denied for years things were spiraling out of control. it is a marxist dem and his fools in congress who has created more debt in this
Re: MORPHEAL'S COMMENTARY - March 28 2009 - What Should G20 Do ?, About Medals for Bravery, And About God
I don't know if anyone has ever coined this phrase but I use it as if it were my own; Humility Has No Bullhorn and American Idle and egomania enigma whether political or religious has the psyche of the world by its balls! The world is in the midst of psychosis excepting the few men who have the power and are the administrators of propaganda and or the few who know and don't have the power to change it. A state of False Consciousness being the fate of many others. Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 1:18 pm, Morpheal morpheal.producti...@yahoo.com wrote: Morpheal’s Commentary - March 28th, 2009 - What Should G20 Do ?, Medals for Economic Bravery, AND About God WHAT SHOULD G20 DO ? G20 needs to come up with a “new deal” for the world’s future and all of humanity. They ought to: 1). Come to understand as a group of all that needs to be done in the world in infrastructure, energy, modernization, housing, transportation, environment, conservation, desert reclamation, agriculture, education, health, etc. Consider every nation’s immediate, neglected, and long term needs. We must recognize that this also requires concerted planning, measurement of progress, and some standards so that common goals can be agreed to, to set priorities where necessary. 2). Realize the world has people, raw natural resources, manufacturing potential, enabling doing what needs to be done. The list in item 1) is sufficient to provide work for many generations, not only for today’s population. All of those needs cannot be met in one generation. 3). The missing resource is piles of printed paper (money). 4). List the needs, plan the progress, and provide the money for a new deal for humanity. 5). Establish a funding mechanism that allows enterprises to remedy deficiencies, and make improvements, without severely impacting their bottom line survival. The fund should gain revenue from those who are able to contribute, according to their ability to contribute, and disperse it to those who are in need, according to the merits of their need. For instance where a factory lacks stack scrubbers to remedy air pollution, but cannot afford to remain in business and remedy the defect, the fund would provide the stack scrubbers to maintain that company’s competitive position in relation to its competitors. This will end the fact that the current system only rewards those who avoid doing what is right, because their bottom line remains unimpacted by the costs of doing what is right for the future. We cannot, of course, allow enterprises that are lagging in this regard to be driven out of business, if they make products of value to society and if they maintain reasonable conditions of competition within the market. They must be helped up to an even footing with others, not simply crushed and eliminated by oppressive regulations and rising costs related to the imposing of that hardship. This will answer many currently unanswerable environmental issues in a much faster way, with less damage to society, than any other potential method of handling the problem. This is to be considered a form of legitimate subsidy unlike subsidies which only tend to prop up margins, reducing prices, below what they would have been based on cost accounting models that avoid the type of capital investment that we are discussing. This also permits improvements in working conditions and maintaining of competitive livelihoods where that can become seriously compromised due to lack of any such system. The greater good of society is better served by the increased stability and job security that that type of consideration can offer. It is a fact that were capital pressures increase significantly the workers always tend to lose out, as a corporate entity attempts to cut back to attempt hard pressed survival. 6). Recognize the need for a “value economics” rather than the currently prevalent paradigm of cost / margin based economics. Many of the costs of our economic activities are really not factored into the equation of cost and margin. There are other costs, not calculable in that immediacy, and not calculated into the accounting picture. An example is the effect on the environment, and the costs of subsequent remediation, if remediation is possible. Similarly the value of reclaiming African or Chinese desert land is larger than any currently calculable gain in agricultural productivity from that land, and particularly in relation to the costs of that productivity. So desert reclamation tends to lose out in a strictly cost / margin equation, but in a value economics equation the reclamation of desert gains significant priority. Many projects suffer a similar accounting of cost and margin barrier. There is no calculable profit in the existing system for determining worth and so the project does not get done when in fact a system of real values would immediately place that project high on the list of desirable
Re: spocialized medicine kills 16 PATIENTS OF PROBLEM CLINICS INFECTED - WHAT ARE YOUR COMMENTS?*
No one wants government run healthcare. We want a single-payer system. You people don't understand the difference. On Mar 27, 6:26 pm, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: [image: The Miami Veterans Affairs hospital reported it was in the clear, only to discover during a more thorough review in March that endoscopic equipment was not being sanitized as the manufacturer recommended.] Today Veteran Affairs spokeswoman Katie Roberts said viral infections, including hepatitis, have been found in 16 patients exposed to contaminated equipment at VA medical facilities. 10 colonoscopy patients from the VA medical center in Murfreesboro, Tenn., have tested positive for hepatitis. = *Hi Team!* **? 2 ALL: * *VA: 16 PATIENTS OF * *PROBLEM CLINICS INFECTED - * We are obviously very concerned anytime anybody's health is at risk from going to see the doctor, Veterans of Foreign Wars spokesman Joe Davis said. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://laparoscopy.blogs.com/l... We believe the VA has done an adequate job in quickly notifying those veterans who might be affected. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.injuryboard.com/upl... *VA: 16 patients of problem clinics infected - what are your comments?* *Greg Dempsey **http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SECULARHUMANIST*http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SECULARHUMANIST *Obama - A New Beginning* *==* VA: 16 patients of problem clinics infected AP By BILL POOVEY, Associated Press Writer Bill Poovey, Associated Press Writer – 37 mins ago CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. – told The Associated Press. In a later e-mail, Veteran Affairs spokeswoman Katie Roberts reported six patients at the VA's ear, nose and throat clinic in Augusta, Ga, tested positive for unspecified viral infections. The number of reported infections could rise. More than 10,000 veterans were warned to get blood tests because they could have been exposed to contamination at those two facilities plus a medical center in Miami. All three sites failed to properly sterilize equipment between treatments, and the problems dated back for more than five years at the Murfreesboro and Miami hospitals. Roberts said the department doesn't yet have results from most of the veterans it warned. A VA alert to patients said they could have been exposed to body fluidsfrom a previous patient. Roberts said four Tennessee patients have tested positive for hepatitis Band six have tested positive for hepatitis C. No one has tested positive for HIV, she said. Hepatitis is a viral infection of the liver. The most common form, hepatitis C, is potentially life-threatening and can cause permanent liver damage. Both the B and C forms are spread by contact with the blood or other body fluid of an infected person, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Roberts stressed that the source of the infections isn't known and may never be identified. There's no way to scientifically, conclusively prove they contracted this due to treatment at our facility, Roberts said. But the VA will make sure those who tested positive get the best possible treatment, she said. The VA's inspector general office has started a review, spokeswoman Joanne Moffett said Friday. According to a VA e-mail, only about half of the Murfreesboro and Augusta patients notified by letter of a mistake that exposed them to potentially infectious fluids have requested department blood tests. Some veterans said they decided to seek tests from their private physicians, rather than the VA. The public first became aware of problems in February, when the agency announced it had sent letters to about 6,400 patients who had colonoscopies between April 23, 2003, and Dec. 1, 2008, at Murfreesboro and to about 1,800 patients treated over 11 months last year at Augusta. Roberts said the problem in Tennessee was discovered in December and an internal alert was issued. This week the VA announced it sent letters advising 3,260 patients who had colonoscopies between May 2004 and March 12 at the Miami Veterans Affairs Healthcare System that they also should get tests for HIV, hepatitis and other infectious diseases. We feel that the risk of cross-contamination among patients is small, and many patients are at no risk whatsoever, Dr. William E. Duncan of the VA Health Administration said in an e-mail. Since we cannot know which patients are at risk, we are notifying everyone we feel may possibly have been placed at risk. Two weeks after a review of procedures and training at VA facilities nationwide, Roberts said the VA cannot yet say if patients at other locations were exposed to equipment that was not properly sterilized. U.S. Rep Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla., said VA officials told her and other members of Congress on Thursday that the Miami facility initially reported it was free from problems only to later backtrack. Ros-Lehtinen said the
Re: Now turn the situation around and have the student be white and the victims black and what would be the result
In that case, we would never hear the end of it. I would have charged the
assailant with 2 counts of 1st degree attempted murder and seek the maximum
penalty. There is no such thing as a hate crime when it is only words.
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Re: fyi
Geez. I only counted 5. LOL Shows what the INTELLIGENT FOLKS are waching
--- not that tv news is really all that good anyway.
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 12:18 PM, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.comwrote:
poor idiots to stupid to tie your own shoes
I bet you don't even know about the PEW foundation surveys of audiences
that show that FOX and talk radio audiences are far better informed than you
are, and your fellow MSNBC watchers (all 6 of you)
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TUES., MARCH 10, 2009
FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,212,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,376,000
FOXNEWS BECK 2,331,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,274,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 2,044,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 1,965,000
CNN COOPER 1,214,000
CNN KING 1,185,000
MSNBC MADDOW 1,041,000
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Re: Olbermann is really nuts-o
Either a tomato or an onion could whit those two in an IQ test.
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Revolutionary Idea: Tea Party Anthem by Artist Lloyd Marcus
From: Travis Subject: Revolutionary Idea: Tea Party Anthem by Artist Lloyd Marcus Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, *[image: ChainsFreeLogo] * http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=92321http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102527380814e=001GlD9MsyflQYgRrRHscN8AFVkif8-PpCLKuvaABMD83f8LTc2okJZRlUSpxRcm2k0q7tN09x8eV3auSXZ8_qg8hSvsxJUNSmnKA0NovRdF0IQf1wC9_BkGqZjkX2jQGOOY_bK8yzIG8ih0brPpFUTb5c6SkpiyXSV Visit the website above to see video of artist Lloyd Marcus interpreting the American Tea Party Anthem and more. -- [image: WND Exclusive] -- *REVOLUTIONARY IDEA* New song recognizes 'tea party' movement Mr. President! Your stimulus is sure to bust, It's just a socialistic scheme the song starts. -- Posted: March 20, 2009 12:00 am Eastern © 2009 WorldNetDaily An entertainer who proudly admits to being an American Black Conservative has written a song in honor of the new nationwide tea partyhttp://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102527380814e=001GlD9MsyflQZ0pRSk5ueH-L5RhBY6G0NHrd8z_nQy05yFacK9zCIj3jSqDmDAcK04WX4Czg7cEViyu1Vj6tP3MmJs623RVRox9B_iuNu29Dz9-mCEwLoNdy0R5WSTdC5Sn0rzLjSDJbWm6ozuLdLVAGIkw7SRNehQYQ7KBWJ1iEs= movement protesting Washington's runaway spending. The song will be performed at an event Saturday in Orlando http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102527380814e=001GlD9MsyflQZ0pRSk5ueH-L5RhBY6G0NHrd8z_nQy05yFacK9zCIj3jSqDmDAcK04WX4Czg7cEViyu1Vj6tP3MmJs623RVRox9B_iuNu29Dz9-mCEwLoNdy0R5WSTdC5Sn0rzLjSDJbWm6ozuLdLVAGIkw7SRNehQYQ7KBWJ1iEs=, Fla., reports WND columnist Andrea Shea King,http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102527380814e=001GlD9MsyflQYUfZvKnBlPyLs8fa3cPKI-iE3fNg34JgXZs4mhhxeEV3uxjKQiKsJ9cqgosl72B0f7c-hYIPzmG_XQohlqlsnhux9TgzNdHXKZUaRizsPk1vCXHOEDgTynLttCb2ylB_ayCBkvzsvyWh0AukWR7Z6Ia radio talk show host on RadioPatriot.blogspot.com.http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102527380814e=001GlD9MsyflQYOORW4p0HPtSf80ZFB5qTxoQClKHABehomiRr9X1sEsPqGZNZ3ZLcL_WgcMIPjILvAfSqJSfxllG7nkc8qjPnVbNEfElLtCQsbxmt3OJPJ43fkYB9FsOYirTBelIn1FgbmyyVOLgTOXm0OAImAmYLZDo8PsSysbE08n0c-nc_ePiqImsi74XHWaltY2F5fYHg= Written and performed by Lloyd Marcus, the song is directed to President Obama. The American Tea Party starts out: Mr. President! Your stimulus is sure to bust, It's just a socialistic scheme. The only thing it will do, Is kill the American Dream. It has been posted on YouTubehttp://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102527380814e=001GlD9MsyflQZ0K_flYsB5n9OQLrnzHsDvwa72T-MdIVGKuS2-C4X2q4VCHhpSwRnLcLdytPQyVS127fo2DRXtNZhqm63iuLFkJsQj7FsQUgcXdLQO6m8gnqbdAGQruOaJuKXpvKjWK_Do_8qaEvdWMF6xyEpQv2d4eiqRV0VOybgzG5yeAG70Zw==and also is embedded here: The lyrics, copyright Zephyrus Music, are: Mr President! Your stimulus is sure to bust Its just a socialistic scheme The only thing it will do Is kill the American Dream You wanna take from achievers Somehow you think that's fair. And redistribute to those folks Who won't get out of their easy chairhttp://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102527380814e=001GlD9MsyflQZ0pRSk5ueH-L5RhBY6G0NHrd8z_nQy05yFacK9zCIj3jSqDmDAcK04WX4Czg7cEViyu1Vj6tP3MmJs623RVRox9B_iuNu29Dz9-mCEwLoNdy0R5WSTdC5Sn0rzLjSDJbWm6ozuLdLVAGIkw7SRNehQYQ7KBWJ1iEs= . We're havin' a tea party across this land If you love this country Come on and join our band We're standin' up for freedom and liberty Cause patriots have shown us freedom ain't free So when they call you a racist cause you disagree It just another of their dirty tricks to silence you and me. I believe in the Constitution and all it stands for. Anyone who tramples it should be booted out the door. We're havin' a tea party across this land If you love this country Come on and join our band We're standin' up for freedom and liberty Cause patriots have shown us freedom ain't free Now we're not advocating violence That's what the so-called peace crowd do We're talkin' peaceful protest to defendhttp://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102527380814e=001GlD9MsyflQZ0pRSk5ueH-L5RhBY6G0NHrd8z_nQy05yFacK9zCIj3jSqDmDAcK04WX4Czg7cEViyu1Vj6tP3MmJs623RVRox9B_iuNu29Dz9-mCEwLoNdy0R5WSTdC5Sn0rzLjSDJbWm6ozuLdLVAGIkw7SRNehQYQ7KBWJ1iEs=the red, white and blue We gotta vote out these clowns who don't love the USA Who stay up late losing sleep fearing what the French might say We're havin' a tea party across this land If you love this country Come on and join our band We're standin' up for freedom and liberty Cause patriots have shown us freedom ain't free We're havin' a tea party across this land If you love this country Come on and join our band We're standin' up for freedom and liberty Cause patriots have shown us freedom ain't free Freedom ain't free (Stand up for America) Freedom ain't free (Gotta take a stand) Freedom ain't free (Mr Obama) Freedom ain't free (we workhttp://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102527380814e=001GlD9MsyflQZ0pRSk5ueH-L5RhBY6G0NHrd8z_nQy05yFacK9zCIj3jSqDmDAcK04WX4Czg7cEViyu1Vj6tP3MmJs623RVRox9B_iuNu29Dz9-mCEwLoNdy0R5WSTdC5Sn0rzLjSDJbWm6ozuLdLVAGIkw7SRNehQYQ7KBWJ1iEs=hard for our money) Freedom ain't free (Don't give it away) Freedom ain't
Muslims in the White House
From: Travis
Date: 2009/3/28
Subject: Muslims in the White House
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Obama's Afghan Spaghetti Western
From: *Travis* Date: Fri, Mar 27, 2009 Subject: Obama's Afghan Spaghetti Western http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KC28Df01.html Mar 28, 2009 THE ROVING EYE Obama's Afghan Spaghetti Western By Pepe Escobar As the Barack Obama administration releases the details of its strategic review of Afghanistan's good war, an acronym-plagued global public opinion is confronted with a semantic dilemma: what in the world is happening to George W Bush's global war on terror (GWOT), then slyly rebranded by the Pentagon as The Long War (TLW)? It all started when a mid-level bureaucrat in the Obama administration's Office of Management and Budget (OMB) sent an e-mail to the Pentagon stressing the White House was finally axing GWOT and giving birth to the delightfully Orwellian Overseas Contingency Operations (OCO). As it happens, no Taliban will be OCOed - at least for the moment. The White House and the Pentagon still rely on GWOT. Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell was adamant: I've never received such a directive. Asked by a reporter what nomenclature he would prefer, Morrell took no prisoners: Another way to refer to it would be, you know, a campaign against extremists who wish to do us harm. So exit GWOT, enter CAEWWTDUH. What's in a name? There's still no evidence that the Obama administration's new strategy will be all-out CAEWWTDUH. Or that the US-backed international conference on Afghanistan in The Hague next Tuesday - which Iran has confirmed it will attend - will go CAEWWTDUH. Or that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) summit in Brussels next Friday will re-evaluate all its CAEWWTDUH options. It's widely accepted in acronym-infested US foreign policy circles that what's happening in the Afghanistan-Pakistani theatre are in fact three overlapping wars. But the Shakespearean doubt remains: are they CT or COIN? Afghanistan itself is certainly privileged COIN (counter-insurgency) territory - as per Bush's main man, Central Command supremo General David I'm always positioning myself to 2012 Petraeus strategy. And so are the tribal areas, the Pakistani North-West Frontier Province and now parts of the Punjab as far as the offensive against the neo-Taliban Baitullah Mehsud and Mullah Fazlullah are concerned. But there's also CT (counter-terrorism) going on in the tribal areas focusing on a few dozen historic al-Qaeda, including lecturer-in-chief Ayman al-Zawahiri and elusive icon Osama dead or alive bin Laden. Strategically reviewed or not, what is de facto happening in the Afghan theater of CAEWWTDUH during the Obama administration - courtesy of Petraeus, a The Long War (TLW) General if there ever was one - is nothing but a remix of a British Raj policy of buying off peace with Afghan tribes as a means to bide time until a way is found to smash them to pieces. It didn't work for the Brits and there's no evidence it will work for the Americans and NATO. As for Taliban and neo-Taliban commanders and foot soldiers, it's irrelevant if from now on they are designated as Overseas Contingency Operations (OCO) targets or the principals in CAEWWTDUH. They don't fight acronyms; they fight Western invaders. So in the interests of neo-realism, let's examine how CAEWWTDUH - or OCO, or plain old COIN - are faring when applied to a crucial microcosm of the vast Afghanistan-Pakistan theater, the western Afghanistan region around Herat. Calling Sergio Leone To sum it all up, the whole picture looks like nothing less than an Afghan version of a Sergio Leone-directed, Ennio Morricone-scored The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Move over, Spaghetti Western, and call it a deadly Spaghetti Eastern. There are three military bases (camps in Pentagon terminology) in western Afghanistan. One is American. The other one is Afghan (these two are basically forts in the middle of nowhere, manned by no more than 100 soldiers). And the most important - the regional command of NATO/International Security Assistant Force (ISAF) troops - is Italian. Only in the first two months of 2009, hostile acts against Westerners - chiefly car bombs and improvised explosive devices - in this Italian zone around Herat were up by 50%. General Paolo Serra commands a multinational force of only 3,000 men (half of them Italian) who are charged to control an area the size of northern Italy. Only 600 of these - Italian and Spanish - are actually soldiers. Total forces in the area number 10,000 men - including American and Afghan soldiers and 1,000 Afghan policemen. Everyone familiar with the war theater remembers that during the 1980s anti-Soviet jihad the Soviets had 10 times more men - with subsequent well-known results. The best roads in Afghanistan are in the Herat region - because of Iranian investment; after all this used to be a very important satrapy of the Persian empire. The border at Eslam Qal'eh is only a 40-minute drive from Herat. The whole region is absolutely strategic for Iran. It straddles a New Silk Road. Iran wants
Re: Obama's Afghan Spaghetti Western
Outstanding Travis wrote: From: *Travis* Date: Fri, Mar 27, 2009 Subject: Obama's Afghan Spaghetti Western http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KC28Df01.html Mar 28, 2009 THE ROVING EYE Obama's Afghan Spaghetti Western By Pepe Escobar As the Barack Obama administration releases the details of its strategic review of Afghanistan's good war, an acronym-plagued global public opinion is confronted with a semantic dilemma: what in the world is happening to George W Bush's global war on terror (GWOT), then slyly rebranded by the Pentagon as The Long War (TLW)? It all started when a mid-level bureaucrat in the Obama administration's Office of Management and Budget (OMB) sent an e-mail to the Pentagon stressing the White House was finally axing GWOT and giving birth to the delightfully Orwellian Overseas Contingency Operations (OCO). As it happens, no Taliban will be OCOed - at least for the moment. The White House and the Pentagon still rely on GWOT. Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell was adamant: I've never received such a directive. Asked by a reporter what nomenclature he would prefer, Morrell took no prisoners: Another way to refer to it would be, you know, a campaign against extremists who wish to do us harm. So exit GWOT, enter CAEWWTDUH. What's in a name? There's still no evidence that the Obama administration's new strategy will be all-out CAEWWTDUH. Or that the US-backed international conference on Afghanistan in The Hague next Tuesday - which Iran has confirmed it will attend - will go CAEWWTDUH. Or that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) summit in Brussels next Friday will re-evaluate all its CAEWWTDUH options. It's widely accepted in acronym-infested US foreign policy circles that what's happening in the Afghanistan-Pakistani theatre are in fact three overlapping wars. But the Shakespearean doubt remains: are they CT or COIN? Afghanistan itself is certainly privileged COIN (counter-insurgency) territory - as per Bush's main man, Central Command supremo General David I'm always positioning myself to 2012 Petraeus strategy. And so are the tribal areas, the Pakistani North-West Frontier Province and now parts of the Punjab as far as the offensive against the neo-Taliban Baitullah Mehsud and Mullah Fazlullah are concerned. But there's also CT (counter-terrorism) going on in the tribal areas focusing on a few dozen historic al-Qaeda, including lecturer-in-chief Ayman al-Zawahiri and elusive icon Osama dead or alive bin Laden. Strategically reviewed or not, what is de facto happening in the Afghan theater of CAEWWTDUH during the Obama administration - courtesy of Petraeus, a The Long War (TLW) General if there ever was one - is nothing but a remix of a British Raj policy of buying off peace with Afghan tribes as a means to bide time until a way is found to smash them to pieces. It didn't work for the Brits and there's no evidence it will work for the Americans and NATO. As for Taliban and neo-Taliban commanders and foot soldiers, it's irrelevant if from now on they are designated as Overseas Contingency Operations (OCO) targets or the principals in CAEWWTDUH. They don't fight acronyms; they fight Western invaders. So in the interests of neo-realism, let's examine how CAEWWTDUH - or OCO, or plain old COIN - are faring when applied to a crucial microcosm of the vast Afghanistan-Pakistan theater, the western Afghanistan region around Herat. Calling Sergio Leone To sum it all up, the whole picture looks like nothing less than an Afghan version of a Sergio Leone-directed, Ennio Morricone-scored The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Move over, Spaghetti Western, and call it a deadly Spaghetti Eastern. There are three military bases (camps in Pentagon terminology) in western Afghanistan. One is American. The other one is Afghan (these two are basically forts in the middle of nowhere, manned by no more than 100 soldiers). And the most important - the regional command of NATO/International Security Assistant Force (ISAF) troops - is Italian. Only in the first two months of 2009, hostile acts against Westerners - chiefly car bombs and improvised explosive devices - in this Italian zone around Herat were up by 50%. General Paolo Serra commands a multinational force of only 3,000 men (half of them Italian) who are charged to control an area the size of northern Italy. Only 600 of these - Italian and Spanish - are actually soldiers. Total forces in the area number 10,000 men - including American and Afghan soldiers and 1,000 Afghan policemen. Everyone familiar with the war theater remembers that during the 1980s anti-Soviet jihad the Soviets had 10 times more men - with subsequent well-known results. The best roads in Afghanistan are in the Herat region - because of Iranian investment; after all this used to be a very important satrapy of the Persian empire. The border at
The Smartest Woman in the World shows us once again that she is not ready
* * Gear http://www.cafepress.com/hotairshop * About http://hotair.com/about/ Obama's not the only amateur, apparently posted at 12:45 pm on March 28, 2009 by Ed Morrissey Send to a Friend http://hotair.com/wp/wp-content/wp-recommend/recommend.popup.php?url=http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/28/obamas-not-the-only-amateur-apparently/ | Share on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/share.php?u=http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/28/obamas-not-the-only-amateur-apparently/ | printer-friendly http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/28/obamas-not-the-only-amateur-apparently/?print=1 When I started the Obamateurism of the Day, I didn't expect it to turn into a /franchise/. Demonstrating that Amateur Hour continues at the State Department, Hillary Clinton managed to display an amazing degree of ignorance http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=15511 while making a pilgrimage to the shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Mexico yesterday afternoon. While viewing the famous image of Mary as a native peasant that Mexicans believe was divinely created, Hillary asked --- well, you have to read the story: During her recent visit to Mexico, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton made an unexpected stop at the Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe and left a bouquet of white flowers on behalf of the American people, after asking who painted the famous image. The image of Our Lady of Guadalupe was miraculously imprinted by Mary on the tilma, or cloak, of St. Juan Diego in 1531. The image has numerous unexplainable phenomena, such as the appearance on Mary's eyes of those present in the room when the tilma was opened and the image's lack of decay. Mrs. Clinton was received on Thursday at 8:15 a.m. by the rector of the Basilica, Msgr. Diego Monroy. Msgr. Monroy took Mrs. Clinton to the famous image of Our Lady of Guadalupe, which had been previously lowered from its usual altar for the occasion. After observing it for a while, Mrs. Clinton asked *who painted it?* to which Msgr. Monroy responded God! /Who painted it?/ Didn't anyone brief Hillary on the history of the Guadalupe apparition? As it turns out, no one should have had to brief the Secretary of State. She told the Monsignor that she had visited once before, thirty years ago. She must have thought it was just a good place to take tourist pictures. The Anchoress http://theanchoressonline.com/2009/03/28/new-eve-encounters-her-snakes/ notes: Doh! http://deacbench.blogspot.com/2009/03/and-then-lady-in-tilma-just-rolled-her.html Another State Department error http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTE5YTVmM2I4MjU3ZmQzYTU0NzEwNGI0ZGI3MDhiNzk=! It's a good thing we have a smart State Department, now http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/22/clintons-smart-power-diplomacy-misfires-branding-experts-say/, instead of the dumb one we had for the last 8 years! Some smart diplomacy, huh? First Hillary doesn't understand multiparty democracy http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/07/hillary-competes-with-geithner-for-competence-nadir/, then she fumbles a snarky reset button http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/06/two-gift-gaffe-days-in-a-row-for-obama-administration/ by mistranslating it and putting it in Latin rather than Cyrillic script. She can't even get names straight, let alone sound intelligent when visiting national shrines. A few more of these and we may have a new feature here at Hot Air. Buzz up!/1/ vote http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/pub/http%253A%252F%252Fhotair.com%252Farchives%252F2009%252F03%252F28%252Fobamas-not-the-only-amateur-apparently%252F --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
GOOD!!!!!!!
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Good one - got this from Clarice Feldman
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Re: Amazing - check out this line at Tyson's Corners for a book signing - and the book is conservative
Amazing. Although I'd rather see 'em storming the castle. Well, maybe tomorrow. On Mar 28, 3:18 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/74974/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Amazing - check out this line at Tyson's Corners for a book signing - and the book is conservative
Gotta start some place. Today Tyson's Corners, tomorrow, the castle. d.b.baker wrote: Amazing. Although I'd rather see 'em storming the castle. Well, maybe tomorrow. On Mar 28, 3:18 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/74974/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Amazing - check out this line at Tyson's Corners for a book signing - and the book is conservative
Get real.. http://www.mises.org/store/Left-The-Right-and-The-State-The-P550.aspx?=21 Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 2:18 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/74974/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Now turn the situation around and have the student be white and the victims black and what would be the result
Is he Black ??
If so how is reminding him of it a crime?? How is saying/announcing
that one has prejudices and at whom they are directed criminal ??
The crime is in taking it to the next level.
Hang this thin skinned idiot.
On Mar 28, 1:08 pm, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
In that case, we would never hear the end of it. I would have charged the
assailant with 2 counts of 1st degree attempted murder and seek the maximum
penalty. There is no such thing as a hate crime when it is only words.
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 1:09 PM, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.netwrote:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/UMASS_DORM_STABBINGS?SITE=OHMO...
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Re: The man is on a roll today - about social security surpluses
There is NO, I repeat, NO trust fund associated with Social Security. Not now, Not EVER. What a STUPID blog. Tell Jason to get a brain, then maybe he'll have a clue. On Mar 28, 10:33 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Social Security Surpluses Vanishing Fast Things look ugly. http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/26/sayonara-social-security-surpluses/ It's even uglier when you consider that the drooling ignoramuses who point to the large Social Security trust fund think they can simply liquidate the trust fund and the whole thing is funded with magic pony pellets from some source other than new taxes and the general revenue. I'm convinced that any moderately informed person who can cooly claim that a Social Security system going cash-flow-negative does not mean that the system is in crisis can only be a pathological liar. Look for a sharp increase in means-testing, a substantial increase in the taxable wage base, and the raising of the retirement age in the very near future. Taxes will go up. Whether the FICA rate will go up, or whether the costs will be buried in income rates matters little now. Further, without an operating surplus, the window for a partial privatization is snapping shut. But at least Obama wants to let terrorists roam free in Peoria. So that's something to look forward to. Splash, out Jason Labels: economy http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/economy, finance http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/finance, Social Security http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/Social%20Security, stupid http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/stupid [CLICK HERE TO ENTER THE NET] http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/2009/03/social-security-surpluses-vanishi... posted by Jason : 16:18 EST, Friday, March 27, 2009 0 transmissions this net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The man is on a roll today - about social security surpluses
There was until LBJ lumped all the SSA funds into the general fund and spent it. THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote On 03/28/2009 06:15 PM: There is NO, I repeat, NO trust fund associated with Social Security. Not now, Not EVER. What a STUPID blog. Tell Jason to get a brain, then maybe he'll have a clue. On Mar 28, 10:33 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Social Security Surpluses Vanishing Fast Things look ugly. http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/26/sayonara-social-security-surpluses/ It's even uglier when you consider that the drooling ignoramuses who point to the large Social Security trust fund think they can simply liquidate the trust fund and the whole thing is funded with magic pony pellets from some source other than new taxes and the general revenue. I'm convinced that any moderately informed person who can cooly claim that a Social Security system going cash-flow-negative does not mean that the system is in crisis can only be a pathological liar. Look for a sharp increase in means-testing, a substantial increase in the taxable wage base, and the raising of the retirement age in the very near future. Taxes will go up. Whether the FICA rate will go up, or whether the costs will be buried in income rates matters little now. Further, without an operating surplus, the window for a partial privatization is snapping shut. But at least Obama wants to let terrorists roam free in Peoria. So that's something to look forward to. Splash, out Jason Labels: economy http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/economy, finance http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/finance, Social Security http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/Social%20Security, stupid http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/stupid [CLICK HERE TO ENTER THE NET] http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/2009/03/social-security-surpluses-vanishi... posted by Jason : 16:18 EST, Friday, March 27, 2009 0 transmissions this net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The man is on a roll today - about social security surpluses
Again, NOT NOW, NOT EVER has there been a SS trust fund. On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 4:19 PM, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.netwrote: There was until LBJ lumped all the SSA funds into the general fund and spent it. THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote On 03/28/2009 06:15 PM: There is NO, I repeat, NO trust fund associated with Social Security. Not now, Not EVER. What a STUPID blog. Tell Jason to get a brain, then maybe he'll have a clue. On Mar 28, 10:33 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Social Security Surpluses Vanishing Fast Things look ugly.http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/26/sayonara-social-security-surpluses/ http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/26/sayonara-social-security-surpluses/ It's even uglier when you consider that the drooling ignoramuses who point to the large Social Security trust fund think they can simply liquidate the trust fund and the whole thing is funded with magic pony pellets from some source other than new taxes and the general revenue. I'm convinced that any moderately informed person who can cooly claim that a Social Security system going cash-flow-negative does not mean that the system is in crisis can only be a pathological liar. Look for a sharp increase in means-testing, a substantial increase in the taxable wage base, and the raising of the retirement age in the very near future. Taxes will go up. Whether the FICA rate will go up, or whether the costs will be buried in income rates matters little now. Further, without an operating surplus, the window for a partial privatization is snapping shut. But at least Obama wants to let terrorists roam free in Peoria. So that's something to look forward to. Splash, out Jason Labels: economy http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/economy http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/economy, finance http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/finance http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/finance, Social Security http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/Social%20Security http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/Social%20Security, stupid http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/stupid http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/stupid [CLICK HERE TO ENTER THE NET]http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/2009/03/social-security-surpluses-vanishi... http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/2009/03/social-security-surpluses-vanishi... posted by Jason : 16:18 EST, Friday, March 27, 2009 0 transmissions this net -- Mark M. Kahle, , www.filacoffee.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
F*** EARTH HOUR! TURN ON ALL YOUR LIGHTS AT 8:30PM TONIGHT
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Date: Sat, Mar 28, 2009
Subject: F*** EARTH HOUR! TURN ON ALL YOUR LIGHTS AT 8:30PM TONIGHT
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Re: The man is on a roll today - about social security surpluses
What would you call it when the money is kept separate from the general funds and is only to be used for SSA payments. In what way is that not a SS trust fund. Mark wrote On 03/28/2009 06:23 PM: Again, NOT NOW, NOT EVER has there been a SS trust fund. On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 4:19 PM, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net mailto:rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: There was until LBJ lumped all the SSA funds into the general fund and spent it. THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote On 03/28/2009 06:15 PM: There is NO, I repeat, NO trust fund associated with Social Security. Not now, Not EVER. What a STUPID blog. Tell Jason to get a brain, then maybe he'll have a clue. On Mar 28, 10:33 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net mailto:rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Social Security Surpluses Vanishing Fast Things look ugly. http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/26/sayonara-social-security-surpluses/ It's even uglier when you consider that the drooling ignoramuses who point to the large Social Security trust fund think they can simply liquidate the trust fund and the whole thing is funded with magic pony pellets from some source other than new taxes and the general revenue. I'm convinced that any moderately informed person who can cooly claim that a Social Security system going cash-flow-negative does not mean that the system is in crisis can only be a pathological liar. Look for a sharp increase in means-testing, a substantial increase in the taxable wage base, and the raising of the retirement age in the very near future. Taxes will go up. Whether the FICA rate will go up, or whether the costs will be buried in income rates matters little now. Further, without an operating surplus, the window for a partial privatization is snapping shut. But at least Obama wants to let terrorists roam free in Peoria. So that's something to look forward to. Splash, out Jason Labels: economy http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/economy, finance http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/finance, Social Security http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/Social%20Security, stupid http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/stupid [CLICK HERE TO ENTER THE NET] http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/2009/03/social-security-surpluses-vanishi... posted by Jason : 16:18 EST, Friday, March 27, 2009 0 transmissions this net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
The Spirit of '76 is Not Dead
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Subject: The Spirit of '76 is Not Dead
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Re: The man is on a roll today - about social security surpluses
Very simple... NO SPIN. Not NOW, Not EVER was there a trust fund. three words any combo is a negative... what don't you get ?? It has Never been treated as such, from day one the money taken in was invested in Government bonds. This has caused the trust hundreds of trillions in lost interest and solvency. The money has never been held separately. It meets NO definition that has ever existed for trust fund. It could be the driving force in the world in solvency if it were indeed used and invested as a trust fucking politicians. On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 4:32 PM, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.netwrote: What would you call it when the money is kept separate from the general funds and is only to be used for SSA payments. In what way is that not a SS trust fund. Mark wrote On 03/28/2009 06:23 PM: Again, NOT NOW, NOT EVER has there been a SS trust fund. On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 4:19 PM, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.netwrote: There was until LBJ lumped all the SSA funds into the general fund and spent it. THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote On 03/28/2009 06:15 PM: There is NO, I repeat, NO trust fund associated with Social Security. Not now, Not EVER. What a STUPID blog. Tell Jason to get a brain, then maybe he'll have a clue. On Mar 28, 10:33 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Social Security Surpluses Vanishing Fast Things look ugly.http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/26/sayonara-social-security-surpluses/ http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/26/sayonara-social-security-surpluses/ It's even uglier when you consider that the drooling ignoramuses who point to the large Social Security trust fund think they can simply liquidate the trust fund and the whole thing is funded with magic pony pellets from some source other than new taxes and the general revenue. I'm convinced that any moderately informed person who can cooly claim that a Social Security system going cash-flow-negative does not mean that the system is in crisis can only be a pathological liar. Look for a sharp increase in means-testing, a substantial increase in the taxable wage base, and the raising of the retirement age in the very near future. Taxes will go up. Whether the FICA rate will go up, or whether the costs will be buried in income rates matters little now. Further, without an operating surplus, the window for a partial privatization is snapping shut. But at least Obama wants to let terrorists roam free in Peoria. So that's something to look forward to. Splash, out Jason Labels: economy http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/economy http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/economy, finance http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/finance http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/finance, Social Security http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/Social%20Security http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/Social%20Security, stupid http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/stupid http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/stupid [CLICK HERE TO ENTER THE NET]http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/2009/03/social-security-surpluses-vanishi... http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/2009/03/social-security-surpluses-vanishi... posted by Jason : 16:18 EST, Friday, March 27, 2009 0 transmissions this net -- Mark M. Kahle, , www.filacoffee.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The man is on a roll today - about social security surpluses
You need to check your history. Investing in US Treasury is investing of interest. Until LBJ lumped it into the general fund it WAS kept separate, totally separate. Your hero Al Gore even referred to it as a lock box. Since the mid-60's the govt has treated it as an ATM but until then it was off-limits. Mark wrote On 03/28/2009 06:48 PM: Very simple... NO SPIN. Not NOW, Not EVER was there a trust fund. three words any combo is a negative... what don't you get ?? It has Never been treated as such, from day one the money taken in was invested in Government bonds. This has caused the trust hundreds of trillions in lost interest and solvency. The money has never been held separately. It meets NO definition that has ever existed for trust fund. It could be the driving force in the world in solvency if it were indeed used and invested as a trust fucking politicians. On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 4:32 PM, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net mailto:rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: What would you call it when the money is kept separate from the general funds and is only to be used for SSA payments. In what way is that not a SS trust fund. Mark wrote On 03/28/2009 06:23 PM: Again, NOT NOW, NOT EVER has there been a SS trust fund. On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 4:19 PM, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net mailto:rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: There was until LBJ lumped all the SSA funds into the general fund and spent it. THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote On 03/28/2009 06:15 PM: There is NO, I repeat, NO trust fund associated with Social Security. Not now, Not EVER. What a STUPID blog. Tell Jason to get a brain, then maybe he'll have a clue. On Mar 28, 10:33 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net mailto:rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Social Security Surpluses Vanishing Fast Things look ugly. http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/26/sayonara-social-security-surpluses/ It's even uglier when you consider that the drooling ignoramuses who point to the large Social Security trust fund think they can simply liquidate the trust fund and the whole thing is funded with magic pony pellets from some source other than new taxes and the general revenue. I'm convinced that any moderately informed person who can cooly claim that a Social Security system going cash-flow-negative does not mean that the system is in crisis can only be a pathological liar. Look for a sharp increase in means-testing, a substantial increase in the taxable wage base, and the raising of the retirement age in the very near future. Taxes will go up. Whether the FICA rate will go up, or whether the costs will be buried in income rates matters little now. Further, without an operating surplus, the window for a partial privatization is snapping shut. But at least Obama wants to let terrorists roam free in Peoria. So that's something to look forward to. Splash, out Jason Labels: economy http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/economy, finance http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/finance, Social Security http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/Social%20Security, stupid http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/search/label/stupid [CLICK HERE TO ENTER THE NET] http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/2009/03/social-security-surpluses-vanishi... posted by Jason : 16:18 EST, Friday, March 27, 2009 0 transmissions this net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
Dear Doc- my computer starts choking on videos. Quit sending me youtubes. :-) Peace to you. On Mar 28, 8:53�pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: rigs; takes me back to Soylent Green. What a damned mess we've made of mother earth! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZWYmxr8XE Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 8:45�pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes. Because it is a non-renewable resource. Even the space station gave up on recycled urine, I think, though it's used to irrigate Palestinian agriculture- what's left of it. And night soil probably fertilizes much of the produce we import. On Mar 28, 2:00 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Water? Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 1:01 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, that's the new fashion- no smoking or drinking- guess I'm old- fashioned. Whereas, I haven't done drugs and very few rx in my lifetime. Maybe it all evens out in the end. :-) There's a story on bbcnews.com that hot tea causes cancer! What's next? On Mar 28, 7:29 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I don't know rigs; There have been time when a lobotomy sounded like a healthy alternative but I chose BEER instead hehehehehheheh BTW I quit smoking in 99 (for the third and final time) and don't mess with John Barleycorn anymore least I do the bastard takes me hostage every time ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8VlcbndXdMfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 3:46 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Nothing about you is failed. It does remind me of my mother and her medical/surgical merry go round, or F. or D. or J. The mind is the ultimate beauty of being alive. On Mar 27, 9:36 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Had a laminectomy lower lumber in 1997. Bad move on my part. Led to more surgery via destabilization and complications failed back.Got me off the workaholic merry go round the hard way Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 9:29 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: actually, studying for exams in OPP and GI next week. Didn't listen to the youtube. Sorry. I'll listen to it later. Have to dash to a scrub/ lumbar puncture lab. Perhaps I'll check back and comment in full over the weekend. As for the premise you're either with us or against us, I've always believed the world contains more gray than black or white. On Mar 27, 10:18 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm not talking about the party here. My talking point is You are either with us or with the terrorists mentality. What is liberty? Did you listen all the way through?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:54 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am familiar with the quote. Voting Libertarian was not an option IMHO in the last election. There was no viable option. In order for a serious third party movement to arise, a platform and a viable candidate needs to materialize. I can contribute little in either area until I am finished with my medical education and residencies. On Mar 27, 9:30 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. Benjamin Franklin Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:14 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I'm all for a viable moderate independent party. That may be the best thing to come out of this current messAmericans may just get sick enough of the partisan BS shoveled out by the two main parties. In the last election, Obama was the only viable option for me.and I still think he was a wiser choice than McCain. Only time will tell. If a viable candidate/party arises from the ashes, and embraces common sense over partisanship, I will stand with them. On Mar 27, 9:06 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Vote independent. Do the MSM propaganda machine a disservice and do The Other Thing! Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:28 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: It takes two to tango. While Congress does, indeed, pass the
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
Give up some of that mullah and buy you a good one rigs. It's informative. Hey and BTW other people can watch too ;-) I don't mind; do you? Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 9:16 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Doc- my computer starts choking on videos. Quit sending me youtubes. :-) Peace to you. On Mar 28, 8:53 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: rigs; takes me back to Soylent Green. What a damned mess we've made of mother earth! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZWYmxr8XE Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 8:45 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes. Because it is a non-renewable resource. Even the space station gave up on recycled urine, I think, though it's used to irrigate Palestinian agriculture- what's left of it. And night soil probably fertilizes much of the produce we import. On Mar 28, 2:00 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Water? Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 1:01 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, that's the new fashion- no smoking or drinking- guess I'm old- fashioned. Whereas, I haven't done drugs and very few rx in my lifetime. Maybe it all evens out in the end. :-) There's a story on bbcnews.com that hot tea causes cancer! What's next? On Mar 28, 7:29 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I don't know rigs; There have been time when a lobotomy sounded like a healthy alternative but I chose BEER instead hehehehehheheh BTW I quit smoking in 99 (for the third and final time) and don't mess with John Barleycorn anymore least I do the bastard takes me hostage every time ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8VlcbndXdMfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 3:46 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Nothing about you is failed. It does remind me of my mother and her medical/surgical merry go round, or F. or D. or J. The mind is the ultimate beauty of being alive. On Mar 27, 9:36 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Had a laminectomy lower lumber in 1997. Bad move on my part. Led to more surgery via destabilization and complications failed back.Got me off the workaholic merry go round the hard way Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 9:29 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: actually, studying for exams in OPP and GI next week. Didn't listen to the youtube. Sorry. I'll listen to it later. Have to dash to a scrub/ lumbar puncture lab. Perhaps I'll check back and comment in full over the weekend. As for the premise you're either with us or against us, I've always believed the world contains more gray than black or white. On Mar 27, 10:18 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm not talking about the party here. My talking point is You are either with us or with the terrorists mentality. What is liberty? Did you listen all the way through?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:54 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am familiar with the quote. Voting Libertarian was not an option IMHO in the last election. There was no viable option. In order for a serious third party movement to arise, a platform and a viable candidate needs to materialize. I can contribute little in either area until I am finished with my medical education and residencies. On Mar 27, 9:30 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. Benjamin Franklin Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:14 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I'm all for a viable moderate independent party. That may be the best thing to come out of this current messAmericans may just get sick enough of the partisan BS shoveled out by the two main parties. In the last election, Obama was the only viable option for me.and I still think he was a wiser choice than McCain. Only time will tell. If a viable candidate/party arises from the ashes, and embraces common sense over partisanship, I will stand with them. On Mar 27, 9:06 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net
Buffalo Tea Party
N BUFFALO TODAY: Tea Party protests high taxes, failed government. In 1773, a small group of dissatisfied American colonists dumped tea into the Boston harbor to protest King George IIIs taxation without representation. More than two centuries later, at least 300 unhappy local taxpayers gathered on the Buffalo waterfront to protest a variety of similar issues . . . . And when co-coordinator James Ostrowski asked the crowd to make donations that will help the movement distribute fliers and pamphlets to every household in Erie County, dozens of adults, children, and senior citizens some in wheelchairs stormed the podium. The group raised $2,000 on the spot, said Jill Sinclair, a co-coordinator. As I said before, people seem to have shaken off their apathy. Posted at 6:26 pm by Glenn Reynolds
What a surprise!
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The cost of green jobs - the actual experience of Spain
* * Gear http://www.cafepress.com/hotairshop * About http://hotair.com/about/ The mirage of green jobs posted at 2:54 pm on March 27, 2009 by Ed Morrissey Send to a Friend http://hotair.com/wp/wp-content/wp-recommend/recommend.popup.php?url=http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/27/the-mirage-of-green-jobs/ | Share on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/share.php?u=http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/27/the-mirage-of-green-jobs/ | printer-friendly http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/27/the-mirage-of-green-jobs/?print=1 Barack Obama promised that his cap-and-trade energy policies would fund an explosion of green jobs as government pushes for mass-production-capable alternative energy sources. Spain used to think the same thing, but Bloomberg reports that the explosion turned into an implosion http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchivesid=a2PHwqAs7BS0 (via Barcepundit http://barcepundit-english.blogspot.com/2009/03/how-black-are-my-green-jobs-if-spains.html): Subsidizing renewable energy in the U.S. may destroy two jobs for every one created if Spain's experience with windmills and solar farms is any guide. For every new position that depends on energy price supports, at least 2.2 jobs in other industries will disappear, according to a study from King Juan Carlos University in Madrid. U.S. President Barack Obama's 2010 budget proposal contains about $20 billion in tax incentives for clean-energy programs. In Spain, where wind turbines provided 11 percent of power demand last year, generators earn rates as much as 11 times more for renewable energy compared with burning fossil fuels. Spain wound up paying $775,000 for every green job they created through subsidies since 2000. That's almost $100,000 per year per job, and that cost only includes the /created/ jobs. The cost of the 2.2 jobs lost would hike that cost considerably, as well as the lost tax revenues, the increased government assistance, and the opportunity costs for pulling capital out of the markets. Why did the jobs disappear? In part because of the higher capital confiscation of the government, and in part because the green policies pushed industry out of Spain. Actually, the study didn't count jobs lost through industrial relocation, which in this case amounts to capital flight. The largest stainless-steel producer in Spain directly linked its decision to move operations to South America to the higher energy costs imposed by the government. In the US, we could see a massive flight, and not just in manufacturing. High-tech industries that rely on cheap energy could be forced to find less expensive environments. Bloomberg's economist notes that Microsoft and Google have already relocated their servers once to get cheaper energy. The Internet is flexible enough to allow employers to go almost anywhere in the world to host their servers, and in this economy, there will be plenty of competition for them. Before we buy into the green jobs argument, we'd better make sure existing jobs don't disappear into a wormhole at a faster rate. *Update*: I forgot to hat-tip Barcepundit. My apologies --- I thought I had included his link originally. Be sure to visit his site for his thoughts. Buzz up!/11/ votes http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/pub/http%253A%252F%252Fhotair.com%252Farchives%252F2009%252F03%252F27%252Fthe-mirage-of-green-jobs%252F --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The cost of green jobs - the actual experience of Spain
I remember seeing this before but not in regard and or contrast to our current situation. This one gets 5 stars + Thanks! Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 10:47 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: * * Gear http://www.cafepress.com/hotairshop * About http://hotair.com/about/ The mirage of green jobs posted at 2:54 pm on March 27, 2009 by Ed Morrissey Send to a Friend http://hotair.com/wp/wp-content/wp-recommend/recommend.popup.php?url=... | Share on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/share.php?u=http://hotair.com/archives/2009/0... | printer-friendly http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/27/the-mirage-of-green-jobs/?print=1 Barack Obama promised that his cap-and-trade energy policies would fund an explosion of green jobs as government pushes for mass-production-capable alternative energy sources. Spain used to think the same thing, but Bloomberg reports that the explosion turned into an implosion http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchivesid=a2PHwqAs7BS0 (via Barcepundit http://barcepundit-english.blogspot.com/2009/03/how-black-are-my-gree...): Subsidizing renewable energy in the U.S. may destroy two jobs for every one created if Spain's experience with windmills and solar farms is any guide. For every new position that depends on energy price supports, at least 2.2 jobs in other industries will disappear, according to a study from King Juan Carlos University in Madrid. U.S. President Barack Obama's 2010 budget proposal contains about $20 billion in tax incentives for clean-energy programs. In Spain, where wind turbines provided 11 percent of power demand last year, generators earn rates as much as 11 times more for renewable energy compared with burning fossil fuels. Spain wound up paying $775,000 for every green job they created through subsidies since 2000. That's almost $100,000 per year per job, and that cost only includes the /created/ jobs. The cost of the 2.2 jobs lost would hike that cost considerably, as well as the lost tax revenues, the increased government assistance, and the opportunity costs for pulling capital out of the markets. Why did the jobs disappear? In part because of the higher capital confiscation of the government, and in part because the green policies pushed industry out of Spain. Actually, the study didn't count jobs lost through industrial relocation, which in this case amounts to capital flight. The largest stainless-steel producer in Spain directly linked its decision to move operations to South America to the higher energy costs imposed by the government. In the US, we could see a massive flight, and not just in manufacturing. High-tech industries that rely on cheap energy could be forced to find less expensive environments. Bloomberg's economist notes that Microsoft and Google have already relocated their servers once to get cheaper energy. The Internet is flexible enough to allow employers to go almost anywhere in the world to host their servers, and in this economy, there will be plenty of competition for them. Before we buy into the green jobs argument, we'd better make sure existing jobs don't disappear into a wormhole at a faster rate. *Update*: I forgot to hat-tip Barcepundit. My apologies --- I thought I had included his link originally. Be sure to visit his site for his thoughts. Buzz up!/11/ votes http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/pub/http%253A%252F%252Fhotair.com%252Fa... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Band Played On - outstanding story
This one not the other post; sorry I remember seeing this before but not in regard and or contrast to our current situation. This one gets 5 stars + Thanks! Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 10:34 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: March 25th, 2009 11:38 am TONE DEAF http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/2009/03/25/tone-deaf/ Support Pajamas Media; Visit Our Advertisers One of the reasons I often come late to a story is because I enjoy watching them spin and evolve: it's like a pachinko ball bouncing back and forth on the way down to bell-curve oblivion. And so with the AIG story. First outrage, then outrage over the outrage, then the actual facts start to roll in: bonuses contractually obligated, which would not have been paid if the company had been allowed to fail, and so on. We get to watch the very politicians that wrote the bill running around with their hair on fire, outraged about the bill. So they got the bonuses, which were then going to be custom-taxed, which were then returned, and tomorrow? Who knows? Off we go! But despite the fact that the ginned-up outraged is a smoke screen hiding the real large-scale larceny, the fact remains that failed corporations paying bonuses or buying executive jets on taxpayer money is indeed something to be furious about. When Lee Iacocca asked for federal help with the situation he was hired to fix at Chrysler, he took a dollar a year salary until the loans were repaid; which they were, and seven years early, at that. The performance of Tylenol after their horrible poisoning scare, and Southwest Airlines after 9/11 also leap to mind as examples of outstanding corporate leadership, as do the thousands and thousands of sound judgments carried out each day by small businesses, based on nothing but common sense, integrity, character and a dedication to their customers. Not much of that is on display these days. In fact, the attitude of some of these big corporations, with their hat out in one hand as they write enormous checks for luxuries with the other, is so out of touch with the mood of the country, so absolutely and utterly TONE DEAF that I was trying to think of the last thing I read along these lines that was this damned outrageous. And then I remembered it, and I want to share it with you since it's such a great story. http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/files/2009/03/wallace_hartley... This man is someone you, and everyone else in the world, should know. His name is Wallace Hartley. Wallace Hartley was not a great general or a politician. Wallace Hartley was a musician. A young Englishman from Lancashire, he was 33 years old when he took -- with misgivings -- a job as bandleader on the most remarkable ocean liner of his day. http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/files/2009/03/titanic.jpg Just after midnight on the morning of April 15^th , 1912, Wallace Hartley and the rest of his orchestra awoke to discover that their ocean liner had struck an iceberg and was sinking into the ice-cold North Atlantic. Hartley gathered his musicians, and in the space of a few minutes, these men made a decision. http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/files/2009/03/brailey_wtr_thm... http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/files/2009/03/bricoux_0_thm1.jpg http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/files/2009/03/clarke_jfp.jpg http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/files/2009/03/jlhume1.jpg http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/files/2009/03/krins3_thm1.jpg http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/files/2009/03/taylorpc.jpg These are names you should know as well: alphabetically, they were Theodore Brailey, Roger Bricoux, John Clarke, Jock Hume, Georges Krins, Percy Taylor and John Woodward, of whom no photograph survives. These eight men, decided, as a group, to return to their cabins, retrieve their instruments, and then emerge to the deck of the sinking /Titanic/ in order to play lively tunes to calm the terrified passengers and keep up the spirits of those facing their imminent death in the freezing water. http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/files/2009/03/titanic_stern.jpg It was widely reported that their final song was the haunting hymn, /Nearer My God to Thee/. It certainly makes a great story. But the fact is, the musicians wanted to keep people's spirits up, and /Nearer my God to Thee/ is almost a dirge. Historians -- after much argument -- have concluded that the most likely tune they played as the ship slid away beneath them was /Songe d'Automne/, sometimes simply know as /Autumn./ I'll ask you to put yourself now in their place: eight very young men, ranging in age from Wallace Hartley, 33, to Roger Bricoux, who was only twenty. Lifeboats are being lowered, many of them unfilled. You are not a ship's officer. As a matter of fact, technically speaking you are not even on the ship's payroll. All had been forced to take a pay cut, from six pounds
Slashdot on The Global Warning Heretic
++ | The Global Warming Heretic | | from the sphere-of-influence dept. | | posted by Soulskill on Saturday March 28, @13:14 (Earth) | | http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/28/1558225 | ++ [0]theodp writes In The Civil Heretic, the NYT Magazine takes a look at how world-renowned scientist Freeman Dyson wound up [1]opposing those who care most about global warming. Since coming out of the closet on global warming, [2]Dyson has found himself described as 'a pompous twit,' 'a blowhard,' and 'a mad scientist.' He argues that climate change has become an obsession for 'a worldwide secular religion' known as environmentalism. Dyson has been particularly dismissive of Al Gore, calling him climate change's chief propagandist and accusing him of relying too heavily on computer-generated climate models and promoting 'lousy science' that's distracting attention from more serious and more immediate dangers to the planet. Dyson himself wrote about [3]the need for heretics in science not long ago. Discuss this story at: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=09/03/28/1558225 Links: 0. mailto:the...@aol.com 1. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29Dyson-t.html?ref=magazine 2. http://www.sns.ias.edu/~dyson/ 3. http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/11/0515250tid=146 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
No surprise here
++ | Vast Electronic Spying Operation Discovered| | from the whaling-for-political-advantage dept. | | posted by kdawson on Saturday March 28, @15:45 (Security)| | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/28/190251| ++ homesalad writes Researchers in Toronto have discovered a [0]huge international electronic spying operation that they are calling 'GhostNet.' So far it has infiltrated government and corporate offices in 103 countries, including the office of the Dalai Lama (who originally went to the researchers for help analyzing a suspected infiltration). The operation appears to be based in China, and the information gained has been used to interfere with the actions of the Dalai Lama and to thwart individuals seeking to help Tibetan exiles. The researchers found no evidence of infiltration of US government computers, although machines at the Indian embassy were compromised. Here is [1]he researchers' summary; a full report, 'Tracking GhostNet: Investigating a Cyber Espionage Network' will be issued this weekend. A separate academic group in the UK that helped with the research is issuing its own report, expected to be available on March 29. Here is [2]the abstract. They seem to be putting more stress on the social malware nature of the attack and ways to mitigate such techniques. Discuss this story at: http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=09/03/28/190251 Links: 0. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/technology/29spy.html?_r=1hp 1. http://www.infowar-monitor.net/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=2176mode=threadorder=0thold=0 2. http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/techreports/UCAM-CL-TR-746.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
STEPBROTHER SAYS DREW PETERSON ASKED HIM TO KILL
STEPBROTHER SAYS DREW PETERSON ASKED HIM TO KILL Drew Peterson had a shocking request for a relative on the day before Drew's wife Stacy disappeared: Will you kill for me? That’s the stunning testimony expected to be given to a grand jury by Thomas Morphey, Drew’s stepbrother, The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively. Morphey, 40, says he was horrified at the question and refused. But the next day, Drew asked Morphey to help him carry a heavy blue barrel out of the former cop’s house and load it into Peterson’s Yukon Denali SUV, according to police sources. Morphey is now convinced Stacy’s body was inside and that Drew killed his wife. Peterson, pictured at left on the Today show, has called Morphey delusional and mentally ill. Morphey is an admitted manic-depressive with past drug problems, and Drew’s lawyer Joel Brodsky said the authorities don’t believe his story. But The ENQUIRER has learned otherwise. “The cops believe Morphey 100 percent,” said a source close to the investigation. “He has been questioned 20 times and never changed his story. He’s very calm. He’s very credible.” The source added: “Morphey will be testifying against Drew before a grand jury looking into Stacy’s disappearance.” For more details, pick up this week's issue of The ENQUIRER — on newsstands now! from nationalenquirer.com http://www.squidoo.com/tithes-and-offerings --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: STEPBROTHER SAYS DREW PETERSON ASKED HIM TO KILL
Can you spell sick-o? I just do not understand people like this. RW wrote: STEPBROTHER SAYS DREW PETERSON ASKED HIM TO KILL Drew Peterson had a shocking request for a relative on the day before Drew's wife Stacy disappeared: Will you kill for me? That’s the stunning testimony expected to be given to a grand jury by Thomas Morphey, Drew’s stepbrother, The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively. Morphey, 40, says he was horrified at the question and refused. But the next day, Drew asked Morphey to help him carry a heavy blue barrel out of the former cop’s house and load it into Peterson’s Yukon Denali SUV, according to police sources. Morphey is now convinced Stacy’s body was inside and that Drew killed his wife. Peterson, pictured at left on the Today show, has called Morphey delusional and mentally ill. Morphey is an admitted manic-depressive with past drug problems, and Drew’s lawyer Joel Brodsky said the authorities don’t believe his story. But The ENQUIRER has learned otherwise. “The cops believe Morphey 100 percent,” said a source close to the investigation. “He has been questioned 20 times and never changed his story. He’s very calm. He’s very credible.” The source added: “Morphey will be testifying against Drew before a grand jury looking into Stacy’s disappearance.” For more details, pick up this week's issue of The ENQUIRER — on newsstands now! from nationalenquirer.com http://www.squidoo.com/tithes-and-offerings --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Israel admits killing 189 children in Gaza campaign
Israel admits killing 189 children in Gaza campaign Israel's armed forces admitted on Wednesday that 189 Palestinian children under the age of 15 were killed during the assault on the Gaza Strip. By Dina Kraft in Tel Aviv and David Blair, Diplomatic Editor Last Updated: 11:43PM GMT 25 Mar 2009 The first official figures released by the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) of the casualties inflicted by the three-week campaign found that a total of 309 Palestinian civilians were killed. But the IDF said that armed fighters from Hamas and other militant movements accounted for most of the 1,370 dead. The survey was disclosed as Benjamin Netanyahu, the incoming prime minister, presented himself as a peacemaker and assured Palestinians that his government would be their partner. One day after enlisting the Labour Party into a broad coalition, embracing Left and Right, Mr Netanyahu focused on his plans to help the Palestinian economy. Peace: It's not the last goal. It's a common and enduring goal for all Israelis and all Israeli governments - mine included, he added. But Mr Netanyahu did not go as far as to endorse a two-state solution, which forms the essential foundation for America's plans for a peace settlement. In the past, he has consistently opposed the creation of a Palestinian state on the West Bank and Gaza. But the new coalition, which will formally assume office next week, appears to have saved Mr Netanyahu from one of his worst fears: leading a narrow, Right-wing government entirely reliant on religious and nationalist parties for survival. It was precisely such a hardline government that poisoned his relations with America and eventually collapsed under him the last time he served as prime minister between 1996 and 1999. Had he formed another administration of this kind, Mr Netanyahu would have been on a collision course with President Barack Obama, something he is anxious to avoid. Under the coalition deal with Labour, Mr Netanyahu's Right-wing Likud party will adhere to previous international agreements made by Israel. This formula may leave open a window for a deal on Palestinian statehood. But Saeb Erekat, a senior Palestinian negotiator, said that Mr Netanyahu would be judged by results. Any Israeli government that accepts the two-state solution, negotiates with us on all core issues without exception, and agrees to stop settlement activity will be a partner, he said. It's time for deeds from both sides as far as their commitments are concerned, not words. Even as Mr Netanyahu was addressing the conference, however, Israel's Army Radio reported that he had agreed to build more homes inside Jewish settlements on the West Bank inside an area known as E-1, a few miles east of Jerusalem. Construction in this vital region could sever the West Bank in two, making the creation of a viable Palestinian state even more difficult. The radio station said this was part of a secret agreement with Avigdor Lieberman, the leader of the nationalist Yisrael Beitenu party, who is likely to be foreign minister in the new coalition. The IDF's survey of the casualties in Gaza found that 1,370 Palestinians were killed in the campaign, which began on Dec 27 after years of rocket fire into Israel's southern cities. Of these, some 600 were guerrillas and another 320 were unidentified and designated simply as unaffiliated. Palestinian estimates for total number of dead are broadly consistent with the IDF's figures. But the two sides differ sharply over the number of civilian casualties, with Palestinian estimates suggesting that more than half of those who died were innocent bystanders. There is a crucial difference in how the two sides classify casualties. The IDF defines anyone under the age of 15 as a child and admits that 189 were killed. The Palestinian authorities list anyone under the age of 18 as a child. Another point of contention is over how to identify the 200 Palestinian policemen who were killed in the first day of the fighting during an Israeli air raid on a graduation ceremony in Gaza City. Israel categorises them as Hamas fighters on the grounds that Hamas governs Gaza and controls the police. The IDF figures also include 14 members of the Palestinian Fatah faction who were executed by their Hamas rivals. The release of the figures comes Human Right Watch accused Israel of firing white phosphorous shells indiscriminately over densely populated areas of Gaza in what amounts to a war crime. The New York-based group called on the United Nations to launch an investigation into alleged violations of the rules of war, both by Israel and Hamas, during the three-week Gaza war. The Israeli military said the shells were used in line with international law. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/5049501/Israel-admits-killing-189-children-in-Gaza-campaign.html http://www.squidoo.com/tithes-and-offerings --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part
Re: Israel admits killing 189 children in Gaza campaign
Lovely, just lovely. Human Rights Watch is one of the worst groups going. Any anti-democratic activity is fine with them. What they are not saying is that white phosphorus is used for tracers primarily and has been for years. Nothing that the Israelis do would sit right with these people and nothing that the Palestinians do would upset them. Total propaganda - and bad propaganda at that. RW wrote: Israel admits killing 189 children in Gaza campaign Israel's armed forces admitted on Wednesday that 189 Palestinian children under the age of 15 were killed during the assault on the Gaza Strip. By Dina Kraft in Tel Aviv and David Blair, Diplomatic Editor Last Updated: 11:43PM GMT 25 Mar 2009 The first official figures released by the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) of the casualties inflicted by the three-week campaign found that a total of 309 Palestinian civilians were killed. But the IDF said that armed fighters from Hamas and other militant movements accounted for most of the 1,370 dead. The survey was disclosed as Benjamin Netanyahu, the incoming prime minister, presented himself as a peacemaker and assured Palestinians that his government would be their partner. One day after enlisting the Labour Party into a broad coalition, embracing Left and Right, Mr Netanyahu focused on his plans to help the Palestinian economy. Peace: It's not the last goal. It's a common and enduring goal for all Israelis and all Israeli governments - mine included, he added. But Mr Netanyahu did not go as far as to endorse a two-state solution, which forms the essential foundation for America's plans for a peace settlement. In the past, he has consistently opposed the creation of a Palestinian state on the West Bank and Gaza. But the new coalition, which will formally assume office next week, appears to have saved Mr Netanyahu from one of his worst fears: leading a narrow, Right-wing government entirely reliant on religious and nationalist parties for survival. It was precisely such a hardline government that poisoned his relations with America and eventually collapsed under him the last time he served as prime minister between 1996 and 1999. Had he formed another administration of this kind, Mr Netanyahu would have been on a collision course with President Barack Obama, something he is anxious to avoid. Under the coalition deal with Labour, Mr Netanyahu's Right-wing Likud party will adhere to previous international agreements made by Israel. This formula may leave open a window for a deal on Palestinian statehood. But Saeb Erekat, a senior Palestinian negotiator, said that Mr Netanyahu would be judged by results. Any Israeli government that accepts the two-state solution, negotiates with us on all core issues without exception, and agrees to stop settlement activity will be a partner, he said. It's time for deeds from both sides as far as their commitments are concerned, not words. Even as Mr Netanyahu was addressing the conference, however, Israel's Army Radio reported that he had agreed to build more homes inside Jewish settlements on the West Bank inside an area known as E-1, a few miles east of Jerusalem. Construction in this vital region could sever the West Bank in two, making the creation of a viable Palestinian state even more difficult. The radio station said this was part of a secret agreement with Avigdor Lieberman, the leader of the nationalist Yisrael Beitenu party, who is likely to be foreign minister in the new coalition. The IDF's survey of the casualties in Gaza found that 1,370 Palestinians were killed in the campaign, which began on Dec 27 after years of rocket fire into Israel's southern cities. Of these, some 600 were guerrillas and another 320 were unidentified and designated simply as unaffiliated. Palestinian estimates for total number of dead are broadly consistent with the IDF's figures. But the two sides differ sharply over the number of civilian casualties, with Palestinian estimates suggesting that more than half of those who died were innocent bystanders. There is a crucial difference in how the two sides classify casualties. The IDF defines anyone under the age of 15 as a child and admits that 189 were killed. The Palestinian authorities list anyone under the age of 18 as a child. Another point of contention is over how to identify the 200 Palestinian policemen who were killed in the first day of the fighting during an Israeli air raid on a graduation ceremony in Gaza City. Israel categorises them as Hamas fighters on the grounds that Hamas governs Gaza and controls the police. The IDF figures also include 14 members of the Palestinian Fatah faction who were executed by their Hamas rivals. The release of the figures comes Human Right Watch accused Israel of firing white phosphorous shells indiscriminately over densely populated areas of Gaza in what amounts to a war crime. The New York-based group
Re: A message from a Palestinian Professor
Prejudice is in the human DNA... It is how we choose to deal with these natural inclinations which defines tolerance and/bigotry... On Mar 26, 2:20 pm, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: Since our first president wrote a public letter to the first synagogue and jewish community welcoming them and defending their individual rights, I think anti-semitism in America is not American but is imported On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 3:53 PM, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: I would say we have LESS prejudice against Jews than most countries, including Europe... On Mar 25, 4:25 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: I think there was/is anti-Semitism in America because Jewish immigrants were such a success. Everywhere and about everything! Then, the Christians had a bone to pick for centuries. My (former) Liberal friends are quite artful at smothering their anti-Semitism socially because they need Jews to defend them in Court, donate money to their causes and charities, teach them and their children, increase their wealth, so on an so forth. I wrote a younger man for several years and was sad when he gave up on the Palestinians but after a while I have given up on them also- unlike my (former) Liberal friends who consider them victims just like the Blacks in America. And Hillary has now decided we are the reason for drug cartels in Mexico. Amazing! On Mar 25, 2:49 pm, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: to some of the thug on the American Left... We have had some of these posters on this forum... The Professor is right in that they are about promoting the freedom to disseminate hatred and violence.. And of course all who oppose them are called war-mongers that they see when they look into a mirror... http://www.hudsonny.org/2009/03/on-campus-the-pro-palestinians-real-a. .. What is happening on the U.S. campuses is not about supporting the Palestinians as much as it is about promoting hatred for the Jewish state. It is not really about ending the “occupation” as much as it is about ending the existence of Israel. Many of the Palestinian Authority and Hamas officials I talk to in the context of my work as a journalist sound much more pragmatic than most of the anti-Israel, “pro-Palestinian” folks on the campuses. Over the past 15 years, much has been written and said about the fact that Palestinian school textbooks don’t promote peace and coexistence and that the Palestinian media often publishes anti-Israel material. While this may be true, there is no ignoring the fact that the anti- Israel campaign on U.S. campuses is not less dangerous. What is happening on these campuses is not in the frame of freedom of speech. Instead, it is the freedom to disseminate hatred and violence. As such, we should not be surprised if the next generation of jihadists comes not from the Gaza Strip or the mountains and mosques of Pakistan and Afghanistan, but from university campuses across the U.S.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: GOOD!!!!!!!
I would consider it IF you should as broad a brush if you did do in all inconvenient cases. Many lychings years ago had no indictment, no conviction... no terrorist So by this standard, many of the KKK lynchings were not done by the KKK... The problem here of course is some of Ayers partners tell a convincing story that they (including ayers) were indeed guilty and planning killing... Second what does the principle do to explain innocent men fround guilty... If indictment, and conviction then terrorist On Mar 28, 3:06 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Let's get conservative here. no indictment, no conviction... no terrorist. On Mar 28, 2:25 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: http://www.michaelgraham.com/post/2009/03/28/We-Did-It!.aspx- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
