Republicans praise McCain for supporting the Surge, I don't get it. Here is why.
Republicans praise McCain for supporting the Surge, I don't get it. Here is why. September 11, 2008 Sean Lewis. The surge has worked, for the moment, I still remember the premature celebrations of the 'mission accomplished' speech. My problem with Republicans celebrating the success of the surge and bragging about it being such a great idea is this How do you celebrate the guy who organized the bucket brigade, when he was the one who set the barn on fire? Had we not invaded Iraq there would never have been a need for the surge. Just a thought. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Republicans praise McCain for supporting the Surge, I don't get it. Here is why.
what's the matter lib, lose some good terrorist friends who we killed in the surge? sorry to see you raghead terrorist buds losing to the mighty satan? hate to admit you libs were wrong, again? On Sep 11, 11:42 am, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Republicans praise McCain for supporting the Surge, I don't get it. Here is why. September 11, 2008 Sean Lewis. The surge has worked, for the moment, I still remember the premature celebrations of the 'mission accomplished' speech. My problem with Republicans celebrating the success of the surge and bragging about it being such a great idea is this How do you celebrate the guy who organized the bucket brigade, when he was the one who set the barn on fire? Had we not invaded Iraq there would never have been a need for the surge. Just a thought. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Republicans praise McCain for supporting the Surge, I don't get it. Here is why.
There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January. In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq. - FDR (DEMOCRAT) led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us; Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ... an average of 112,500 per year. -- Truman (DEMOCRAT) finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost an average of 18,334 per year. -- John F. Kennedy (DEMOCRAT) started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. -- Johnson (DEMOCRAT) turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ... an average of 5,800 per year. Clinton (DEMOCRAT) went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions. - It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno (DEMOCRAT) to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation . -- It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick. -- Senator Glenn (D-Ohio): 'I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank. I ask you to go with me, as I went the other day . .. to a veteran's hospital and look those men ... with their mangled bodies ... in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job! You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee .. and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DAD'S didn't hold a job. You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch those waving flags . You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you have the gall to tell ME that those people didn't have a job? What about Metzenbaum? For those who don't remember During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA . -- I KNOW.CHANGEthe subject. - On Sep 11, 1:12�pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No Mark I was ALWAYS against the Invasion, and I was demanding a REAL surge years before Bush to fix the FUBAR he created. It was your Ilk that has consistently gotten it wrong. Read the truth about my position on both the Iraq war and the surge. Both positions were posted BEFORE it became popular to have them. I give the links Mark, now lets see who has the real balls in this group MY POSITION AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR ON FEBRUARY 18,2003! To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 10:02 PM Subject: One Man's Humble Opinion http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/one-mans-humble-op... War as a cavalier solution should not be taken lightly. We can conquer Iraq quickly. That should not be a problem. We will kill Saddam. That is a given. Now the dangerous part. We will have an occupying army in a US hostile part of the world. We will either be supported or unsupported by our allies. If we are supported the costs to the United States will not be a great and the logistics for war and occupation easier. Without support it will be much more difficult. Our troops will also be exposed to constant danger to ambush. There will be high casualties from this. It will come from many terrorists sources. While we are saber rattling it gave the Iraqis time to slip their own terror cells into our country. Don't kid yourselves, they are here. The President gave them plenty of advance warning. So now we have Iraq, Iran, and Al Qaeda terror cells in the US. The seratin found in England was probably distributed through
Re: Republicans praise McCain for supporting the Surge, I don't get it. Here is why.
Blue, I believe you missed VT's point. I don't believe he's denigrated the military. He's stating (quite accurately, I might add) that had we not invaded Iraq in the first place we wouldn't have needed a surge to quell the violence. VT, One aspect of this I think you are missing is the Republicans are using Obama’s opposition to the surge as means of suggesting he lacks the insight and experience to wage a war. I opposed the war months before it began, when it became apparent to me Bush was hell bent on going into Iraq. But with that said, once we were there, we all needed to forget our initial opposition to it and get on board with the fact that we were now there, and we had to win it. In that regard, Obama’s opposition to the surge appears to have been bad judgment. On Sep 11, 3:51 pm, BlueFlorida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January. In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq. - FDR (DEMOCRAT) led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us; Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ... an average of 112,500 per year. ------ Truman (DEMOCRAT) finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost an average of 18,334 per year. -- John F. Kennedy (DEMOCRAT) started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. ------ Johnson (DEMOCRAT) turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ... an average of 5,800 per year. Clinton (DEMOCRAT) went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions. - It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno (DEMOCRAT) to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation . ------ It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick. -- Senator Glenn (D-Ohio): 'I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank. I ask you to go with me, as I went the other day . .. to a veteran's hospital and look those men ... with their mangled bodies ... in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job! You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee .. and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DAD'S didn't hold a job. You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch those waving flags . You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you have the gall to tell ME that those people didn't have a job? What about Metzenbaum? For those who don't remember During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA . -- I KNOW.CHANGEthe subject. ----- On Sep 11, 1:12 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No Mark I was ALWAYS against the Invasion, and I was demanding a REAL surge years before Bush to fix the FUBAR he created. It was your Ilk that has consistently gotten it wrong. Read the truth about my position on both the Iraq war and the surge. Both positions were posted BEFORE it became popular to have them. I give the links Mark, now lets see who has the real balls in this group MY POSITION AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR ON FEBRUARY 18,2003! To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 10:02 PM Subject: One Man's Humble Opinion http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/one-mans-humble-op... War as a cavalier solution
Re: Republicans praise McCain for supporting the Surge, I don't get it. Here is why.
The surge is a bandaid. We broke Iraq and it won't be easy to fix. The entire area is at risk. On Sep 11, 2:51�pm, BlueFlorida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January. � In the fair city of �Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of �Iraq. - FDR (DEMOCRAT) led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us; Japan did. �From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ... an average of 112,500 per year. ---�--- Truman (DEMOCRAT) finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost an average of 18,334 per year. -- John F. Kennedy (DEMOCRAT) started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. ---�--- Johnson (DEMOCRAT) turned Vietnam into a quagmire. � From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ... an average of 5,800 per year. Clinton (DEMOCRAT) went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. �Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions. - It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno (DEMOCRAT) to take the Branch Davidian compound. �That was a 51-day operation . ---�--- It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick. -- Senator Glenn (D-Ohio): �'I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. �I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. � � My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. �I was in the space program. �It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. �It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank. I ask you to go with me, as I went the other day . .. to a veteran's hospital and look those men ... with their mangled bodies ... in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job! You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee .. and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DAD'S didn't hold a job. You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch those waving flags . You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you have the gall to tell ME that those people didn't have a job? What about Metzenbaum? For those who don't remember During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA . -- I KNOW.CHANGEthe subject. ---�-- On Sep 11, 1:12 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No Mark I was ALWAYS against the Invasion, and I was demanding a REAL surge years before Bush to fix the FUBAR he created. It was your Ilk that has consistently gotten it wrong. Read the truth about my position on both the Iraq war and the surge. Both positions were posted BEFORE it became popular to have them. I give the links Mark, now lets see who has the real balls in this group MY POSITION AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR ON FEBRUARY 18,2003! To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 10:02 PM Subject: One Man's Humble Opinion http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/one-mans-humble-op... War as a cavalier solution should not be taken lightly. We can conquer Iraq quickly. That should not be a problem. We will kill Saddam. That is a given. Now the dangerous part. We will have an occupying army in a US hostile part of the world. We will either be supported or unsupported by our allies. If we are supported the costs to the United States will not be a great and the logistics for war and occupation easier. Without support it will be much more difficult. Our troops will also be exposed to constant danger to ambush. There will be high casualties from this. It will come from many terrorists sources. While we are saber rattling it gave the Iraqis time to slip their own terror
