Re: Java Binaries

2006-04-21 Thread Edd Barrett
Howdy,


 I wouldn't put my assets (house, retirement, etc) at risk
 to lawsuits from Sun or users of the binaries. I don't think
 anyone would really want to do that.


I dont blame you.

Can sun not host a pacakge that we have made?

Regards

Edd


Re: Java Binaries

2006-04-20 Thread Kurt Miller
On Thursday 20 April 2006 8:12 am, Edd Barrett wrote:
 Hi,
 
 One of my friends recently pointed out that FreeBSD are distributing
 Java 5 binaries and actually are licensed to do so from Sun
 Microsystems! I'm not sure how long thats been happening, but has
 anyone made any effort to try to bag a similar agreement for OpenBSD?
 If not I am willing to give it a try (with the consent of the OBSD
 developers). I think have an email address of a Java Core developer I
 met at JavaUK06.

There are two primary reasons why we will not be able
to distribute java binaries:

1) Legal: The OpenBSD project is a collection of individuals.
There is no legal entity associated with the project like a
Foundation or non-profit org. That means there is no singal
point of contact for Sun to contract with and shield the
developers from liability.

2) Political: Even if #1 were solved, the binaries would
come with a binary only license that is incompatible with
the projects goals.

On the other hand, I have applied as an individual to Sun's
scholarship program to get access to the test kit for 1.5
(JCK). I was approved by the scholarship committee and now
waiting on Sun to get them.

-Kurt



Re: Java Binaries

2006-04-20 Thread Kurt Miller
On Thursday 20 April 2006 11:34 am, Hannah Schroeter wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 09:32:52AM -0400, Kurt Miller wrote:
 On Thursday 20 April 2006 8:12 am, Edd Barrett wrote:
  One of my friends recently pointed out that FreeBSD are distributing
  Java 5 binaries and actually are licensed to do so from Sun
  Microsystems! I'm not sure how long thats been happening, but has
  anyone made any effort to try to bag a similar agreement for OpenBSD?
  If not I am willing to give it a try (with the consent of the OBSD
  developers). I think have an email address of a Java Core developer I
  met at JavaUK06.
 
 There are two primary reasons why we will not be able
 to distribute java binaries:
 
 1) Legal: The OpenBSD project is a collection of individuals.
 There is no legal entity associated with the project like a
 Foundation or non-profit org. That means there is no singal
 point of contact for Sun to contract with and shield the
 developers from liability.
 
 2) Political: Even if #1 were solved, the binaries would
 come with a binary only license that is incompatible with
 the projects goals.
 
 IIRC the project goals mostly apply to base, while the rules for
 licencing in ports/packages are less strict. E.g. no new GPL stuff in
 base, but new GPL ports/packages are ok. Even more restrictive licences
 are accepted, e.g. in textproc/glimpse, where OpenBSD mirrors distfiles
 and distributes packages via ftp (but not on CDs because of the
 licence conditions).

Sorry. I wasn't too clear about that. The binaries are only
distributeable via a click through license that would need
to be hosted somewhere. Hosting that click through license
on the project web site is what I was referring to. The
binary would not be able to be mirrored too. 

 On the other hand, I have applied as an individual to Sun's
 scholarship program to get access to the test kit for 1.5
 (JCK). I was approved by the scholarship committee and now
 waiting on Sun to get them.
 
 Do you know without having to check whether it'd be possible for an
 individual to obtain such a licence from Sun and distribute inofficial
 (wrt the OpenBSD project) Java packages then? Or would that bee too
 risky from a legal POV?

I wouldn't put my assets (house, retirement, etc) at risk
to lawsuits from Sun or users of the binaries. I don't think
anyone would really want to do that.

-Kurt