Re(2): Trying PM 5

[Marlyse Comte]

>Maybe it's time to go back home and support Apple again.

LOL, or continue using your version 4 until version 5 is officially released.

---marlyse

PM5 and SpamSieve

[Pat O'Halloran]

Hi

Maybe I'm missing something but I already had SpamSieve working in v4, I
set the prefs in v5 to use SS but all of the spam seems to be getting
into my In Tray - it's as if no filters are working. What have I done
wrong or not done?

Thanks

-- 
Pat O'Halloranhttp://www.danu.co.uk
All tapes left in a car for more than about a fortnight
metamorphose into Best of Queen albums. - Pratchett & Gaiman

IMAP Connection

[Brian Toney]

I am using an IMAP connection.
When I send a message it is copied to the "Out" tray on my computer. It
does not appear in my "Sent Items" folder on the server. I cannot move
the copy to the server folder.
I would like to configure PowerMail so that outgoing messages are
retained on the server but I can't figure out how to do it.
Can anyone help?
Brian.

Re: Trashed Email?

[Max Gossell]

At Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:57:09 -0700 (CET), Cap Schwartz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Is it possible to turn Off the delete after N days feature?
>I keep a lot in my Mail Trash folder that I'm unsure whether I want to
>save or not. I'd rather have it set up so that I decide when and which
>messages I delete.
>
>/Cap
>Cap Schwartz

Preferences / General -> When quitting PowerMail:

Uncheck the Empty Mail Trash check box.

Max G

Re: [ANN] PowerMail 5 public beta 12 now available

[Christian Roth]

Sylvain Perchaud wrote:

>> 
>
>There is probably a problem with the HTML code of that page.
>
>I only see the HTML source code in Opera 7.5

OW's transfer log shows:

--snip--
Apr 19 21:44:27  http Rx: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Apr 19 21:44:27  Rx: http://www.ctmdev.com/download.shtml
Apr 19 21:44:27  Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:48:25 GMT
Apr 19 21:44:27  Server: Apache/2.0.48 (Unix) mod_fastcgi/2.4.2 mod_ssl/
2.0.48 OpenSSL/0.9.6b
Apr 19 21:44:27  Last-Modified: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:54:58 GMT
Apr 19 21:44:27  ETag: "1179e-27f8-a8578c80"
Apr 19 21:44:27  Accept-Ranges: bytes
Apr 19 21:44:27  Content-Length: 10232
Apr 19 21:44:27  Keep-Alive: timeout=15, max=100
Apr 19 21:44:27  Connection: Keep-Alive
Apr 19 21:44:27  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
--snip--

So, the page is delivered with a content type of "text/plain", i.e. "a
text file" (like e.g. a readme.txt) and Opera does the right thing:
display it as is.

This is a mis-configuration of the server, it should probably deliver
.shtml pages with a content type of "text/html".

Regards, Christian.

PS: cc'd to CTM webmaster

Re: [ANN] PowerMail 5 public beta 12 now available

[Sylvain Perchaud]

Le lundi 19 avril 2004, à 9:10, PowerMail info a écrit:

>Dear PowerMail list member,
>
>We are hereby pleased to announce the availability of the PowerMail 5.0b12
>public beta release, which can be directly downloaded from:
>
> 

There is probably a problem with the HTML code of that page.

I only see the HTML source code in Opera 7.5

--
Sylvain Perchaud
Tel : +33 (0) 674 758 551
Fax : +33 (0) 251 280 898
http://www.europe-shareware.org

Re: Trashed Email?

[Ben Kennedy]

On 19 4 2004 at 2:57 pm -0400, Cap Schwartz wrote:

>Is it possible to turn Off the delete after N days feature?

Sure; turn off the checkbox.  Have you actually looked at the preferences
pane? :)

-ben

-- 
Ben Kennedy, chief magician
zygoat creative technical services
613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628
http://www.zygoat.ca

Re: Trashed Email?

[Cap Schwartz]

Is it possible to turn Off the delete after N days feature?
I keep a lot in my Mail Trash folder that I'm unsure whether I want to
save or not. I'd rather have it set up so that I decide when and which
messages I delete.

/Cap
Cap Schwartz

>From: "Larry Samberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:28:00 -0400
>
>Oh, so the "delete after N days" is N days after it was moved to the
>trash (as opposed to N days after the date of the email)?
>That is wonderful!
>
>/lss
>
>--
>Larry S. Samberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>VM/Fax: 270-514-0557
> 

Re: PM5 unexpected quits

[Ben Kennedy]

On 19 4 2004 at 2:46 pm -0400, david.gordon wrote:

>>>Crash logs are stored in your Library/Logs/CrashReporter folder.
>>
>>I'm sorry but I don't see anything to do with PM there, and nothing with
>>today's date. 
>
>I've found them now! ~/Library/Logs/CrashReporter. Spot the Difference!

Well, he did say "your", so arguably that could be construed as "your
[home directory]"... ;)

-b

-- 
Ben Kennedy, chief magician
zygoat creative technical services
613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628
http://www.zygoat.ca

Re: PM5 unexpected quits

[david.gordon]

david.gordon wrote on Mon 19 Apr 2004 at 18:59 +0100

>PowerMail Engineering wrote on Mon 19 Apr 2004 at 19:18 +0200
>
>>Crash logs are stored in your Library/Logs/CrashReporter folder.
>
>I'm sorry but I don't see anything to do with PM there, and nothing with
>today's date. 

I've found them now! ~/Library/Logs/CrashReporter. Spot the Difference!

-- 
david.gordon

Re: PM5 unexpected quits

[david.gordon]

PowerMail Engineering wrote on Mon 19 Apr 2004 at 19:18 +0200

>Crash logs are stored in your Library/Logs/CrashReporter folder.

I'm sorry but I don't see anything to do with PM there, and nothing with
today's date. 

-- 
david.gordon

Re(2): Trashed Email?

[Larry Samberg]

Oh, so the "delete after N days" is N days after it was moved to the
trash (as opposed to N days after the date of the email)?
That is wonderful!

/lss

--
Larry S. Samberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
VM/Fax: 270-514-0557

Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen..." Hebrews 11:1

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:09:53 +0200 PowerMail Engineering wrote:

>Stephane Terreaux wrote:
>
>>>Also, in the release notes for PM5 there was an item about configuring to
>>>delete trash after "n" days ... where do you configure that?
>>
>>Wops, I just set that that preference to 30 days, saved the preferences
>>and exited PM5.
>>The trash was 100% emptied ...
>
>The messages that were put in the trash before you upgrade to PM 5 are
>considered as being in the trash for a very long time (the date they was
>moved to the trash was not saved in PM 4), and thus will be deleted on
>the first quit. I will try to fix that in the final version, and consider
>that they have been moved to the trash when you upgraded your DB (so they
>will be deleted 30 days after you upgrade, which is probably better than
>immediately...)
>
>
>Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering
>
>
>-
>   "I wouldn't trade my MAC for anything, neither would I trade PowerMail
>for anything."
>  Steve Tarpin, PowerMail user
>
>
> Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com
>-
>
>

Re: PM & SS

[PowerMail Engineering]

Anthony Sanna wrote:

>Is SS part of PM5?  Does it still run as a separate application?

Still a separate application, that can work with other mail clients.

>When I installed PM5, I got a dialog that my SS scripts were out of date
>and did I want to update them - I clicked "yes".
>after updating, no SS scripts appeared in the script menu.

No AppleScript is needed to use SpamSieve in PM5.

>Is it no longer necessary to "add good" and "add spam" in PM5?

The new mark as good / mark as spam toolbar buttons (and menu items) will
train SpamSieve, when you have activated SpamSieve from the spam filter
assistant. They will also set the spam rating of the message, and do
whatever action is configured in the new "mark as spam" preference pane.

Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering

-
   "Lightning-fast searching. Identical user environments for those odd
times I must boot into Mac OS 9 (almost as if PowerMail doesn't care
what OS it's running in it's so smooth).
If you're serious about email then Powermail is absolutely what you need"
  PowerMail user comment on www.versiontracker.com

 Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com
-

Re: PM5 unexpected quits

[PowerMail Engineering]

DavidG wrote:

>If someone can remind me how, should I find the Crash Log

Crash logs are stored in your Library/Logs/CrashReporter folder.

>and who wants to see it?

Me :-) (send in a private message please)

Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering

-
   "I am generally delighted with PowerMail, which has the elegance and
attention to detail of the very best Macintosh software."
  PowerMail user comment

 Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com
-

Re: Trying PM 5

[Sherman Wilcox]

Anthony said:

>I guess this gets back to my other question: Does SS still run as a
>separate application?  

Yes.

>If you already own SS, all that is needed is $29, right?

Seem so.

-- 
Sherman

PM5 unexpected quits

[DavidG]

I'm trying it!

I've had two unexpected quits, both when customising the toolbar (once
the browser window and once the mail message).

If someone can remind me how, should I find the Crash Log and who wants
to see it?

--
David Gordon

Re(2): Trashed Email - followup

[Larry Samberg]

Thank you! I didn't realize that the View All/View Unread was maintained
separately for each folder!
/lss

--
Larry S. Samberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
VM/Fax: 270-514-0557

"Things that can't go on forever, don't"
Herbert Stein

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:20:52 +0200 PowerMail Engineering wrote:

>Larry Samberg wrote:
>
>>If I go to the mail trash and put "Trying" in the view window I only see
>>one message.
>>
>>If I do a FIND on "Trying" in all local mail folders, they ALL show up
>>and ALL claim to be in the Trash folder.
>
>- Make sure "view all" is checked in the view menu
>- if it was checked, launch PowerMail while pressing the command and
>option keys, and check the "Rebuild sort indices" checkbox
>
>
>Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering
>
>
>-
>   "Very impressive. Speedy, efficient, and contains very nice features."
>  PowerMail user comment on www.macupdate.com
>
>
> Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com
>-
>
>

Filters to the rescue

[Sherman Wilcox]

PowerMail filters to the rescue! 

I like to live in the Recent Mail browser so I can see new messages even
though they've been distributed into folders by my filters. With the
recent increase in PowerMail Discussion traffic, my Recent Mail browser
is full of these messages, making it difficult to see my work messages
this morning.

So... PM 5 now (I think PM 4 didn't let me if I'm correct, but maybe I
just never noticed it) turn off displaying new messages in the Recent Mail. 

Neat!
-- 
Sherman

Re: Trying PM 5

[Anthony Sanna]

>Until May 31st 2004 only, upgrades from previous PowerMail versions
>are just US$ 29, or US$ 45 including SpamSieve(TM)

I guess this gets back to my other question: Does SS still run as a
separate application?  If you already own SS, all that is needed is $29,
right?
Tony
-- 
Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Avenue
Middleton, WI  53562

1-800-373-7226
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

PM & SS

[Anthony Sanna]

I'm curious about the (new) relationship between SpamSieve and PM5. 
Questions...

Is SS part of PM5?  Does it still run as a separate application?

When I installed PM5, I got a dialog that my SS scripts were out of date
and did I want to update them - I clicked "yes".  BTW: My version of SS
prior to PM5 was 2.1.4.  However, after updating, no SS scripts appeared
in the script menu.  I moved the old (2.1.4) scripts to Library -> Mail -
> PowerMail Files -> Custom Scripts, and now they appear, however, the
newer SS scripts (evaluate) in PowerMail Additions -> Spam Scripts do not
appear.

Is it no longer necessary to "add good" and "add spam" in PM5?
 
What goes where?

Tony
-- 
Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Avenue
Middleton, WI  53562

1-800-373-7226
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Trashed Email - followup

[PowerMail Engineering]

Larry Samberg wrote:

>If I go to the mail trash and put "Trying" in the view window I only see
>one message.
>
>If I do a FIND on "Trying" in all local mail folders, they ALL show up
>and ALL claim to be in the Trash folder.

- Make sure "view all" is checked in the view menu
- if it was checked, launch PowerMail while pressing the command and
option keys, and check the "Rebuild sort indices" checkbox

Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering

-
   "Very impressive. Speedy, efficient, and contains very nice features."
  PowerMail user comment on www.macupdate.com

 Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com
-

Re: Trashed Email?

[PowerMail Engineering]

Stephane Terreaux wrote:

>>Also, in the release notes for PM5 there was an item about configuring to
>>delete trash after "n" days ... where do you configure that?
>
>Wops, I just set that that preference to 30 days, saved the preferences
>and exited PM5.
>The trash was 100% emptied ...

The messages that were put in the trash before you upgrade to PM 5 are
considered as being in the trash for a very long time (the date they was
moved to the trash was not saved in PM 4), and thus will be deleted on
the first quit. I will try to fix that in the final version, and consider
that they have been moved to the trash when you upgraded your DB (so they
will be deleted 30 days after you upgrade, which is probably better than
immediately...)

Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering

-
   "I wouldn't trade my MAC for anything, neither would I trade PowerMail
for anything."
  Steve Tarpin, PowerMail user

 Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com
-

Trashed Email - followup

[Larry Samberg]

>OK...so I tried an experiement.
>
>There have been a number of emails this morning with the subject "Trying
>PM5". I have trashed them all (after reading most :)
>
>If I go to the mail trash and put "Trying" in the view window I only see
>one message.
>
>If I do a FIND on "Trying" in all local mail folders, they ALL show up
>and ALL claim to be in the Trash folder.

-- 
Larry S. Samberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
VM/Fax: 270-514-0557

Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when
there is nothing left to take away.
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re(2): Trying PM 5

[Larry Samberg]

Just to add two cents ... I depend very heavily on email but I took the
risk and upgraded this morning (after backing up my database).
So far it has been smooth and seamless. No problems whatsoever

/lss

--
Larry S. Samberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
VM/Fax: 270-514-0557
 
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen..." Hebrews 11:1

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:30:13 -0400 Steve Tarpin wrote:

>>I am very hesitant of trying PM5.
>
>If it is any consolation at all, I think those of using PM for many years
>and many upgrades will have little or no hesitancy to upgrade. The public
>beta is the last step, and the development team end engineers have always
>done a great job of preparing and tweaking the application before it even
>gets to this point. 
>
>>Maybe it's time to go back home and support Apple again.
>
>Don't think using a (superior) third-party application constitutes non-
>support of Apple. I wouldn't trade my MAC for anything, neither would I
>trade PowerMail for anything.
>
>Thanks to the crew and beta-testers.
>
>s
>
>http://www.keylime.com
>-- 
>PM 5.0b12
>G4 2x1.GHz, 1.75 RAM
>12" PB G4 867 GHz, 640 RAM
>OS X.3.2
>
>

Re: Trying PM 5

[Christian Roth]

A-NO-NE Music wrote:

>By the way, I see nothing in the code that suggests security warning you
>mentioned.

OW presented a security warning as well. However, there's also a comment
on  that "although the certificate
might indicate a verification problem, the connection is indeed secure".

The problem with the HTML code is e.g. on the Release notes page , where it reads

  http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/
DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">


I think the xml-declaration is not allowed in this place, nor is the
DOCTYPE declaration (we're already within the  element at this
place!). Safari (and OW) rendering it ok is just pure luck since the
parser is extremely forgiving, but the HTML code of the site _is_ broken, IMO.

Regards, Christian.

Re: Trashed Email?

[Stephane Terreaux]

Le 19/04/04 à 10:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :

>Also, in the release notes for PM5 there was an item about configuring to
>delete trash after "n" days ... where do you configure that?

Wops, I just set that that preference to 30 days, saved the preferences
and exited PM5.
The trash was 100% emptied ...

Did anyone else have the same odd behavior ?

Thanks,
Stéphane.

AppleScript 'move' no longer working in 5.0b12?

[Christian Roth]

Hi,

I had an AppleScript in 4.x working that did a 

  move theMsg to message container "name"

This does no longer seem to work in the 5 beta, where I now have to write

  set the storage of theMsg to the message container "name"

Is this a deliberate change, a bug or have I been just doing something wrong?

Regards, Christian.

Re: Trying PM 5

[Steve Tarpin]

>I am very hesitant of trying PM5.

If it is any consolation at all, I think those of using PM for many years
and many upgrades will have little or no hesitancy to upgrade. The public
beta is the last step, and the development team end engineers have always
done a great job of preparing and tweaking the application before it even
gets to this point. 

>Maybe it's time to go back home and support Apple again.

Don't think using a (superior) third-party application constitutes non-
support of Apple. I wouldn't trade my MAC for anything, neither would I
trade PowerMail for anything.

Thanks to the crew and beta-testers.

s

http://www.keylime.com
-- 
PM 5.0b12
G4 2x1.GHz, 1.75 RAM
12" PB G4 867 GHz, 640 RAM
OS X.3.2

Re: PM5 - So far

[Thomas Andersson]

Steve Tarpin skrev:

>>>Now a BIG paper clip in the toolbar.
>
>appears in a NEW MAIL

Ah, thanks.
/Thomas A.

Re: Trying PM 5

[Max Gossell]

At Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:04:03 -0400 (CET), John Snippe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Mon, Apr 19, 2004,  it is attributed to John Snippe to have said:
>
>>BTW:  what is the anticipated pricepoint to upgrade?
>
>Never mind.  I read the readme.

It was mentioned in the announcement mail:

--
>   SPECIAL INTRODUCTORY PRICING UNTIL MAY 31 FOR
>   UPGRADING FROM EARLIER POWERMAIL VERSIONS OR
>   BUYING NEW POWERMAIL 5 LICENSES AND SPAMSIEVE
--

Until May 31st 2004 only, upgrades from previous PowerMail versions
are just US$ 29, or US$ 45 including SpamSieve(TM) while new licenses
are just US$ 49, or US$ 65 including SpamSieve(TM)  (Note: SpamSieve 
alone usually costs US$ 25 !).

Orders can be placed now, but will only be charged and processed 
upon final release of version 5.0:

 

Max G

Re: PM5 - So far

[Steve Tarpin]

>>Now a BIG paper clip in the toolbar.

appears in a NEW MAIL

>>Did the "Activity Window" go away? I can show Background Processes,

It is there, but no longer seems to FLOAT, would like to see this come back

http://www.keylime.com
-- 
PM 5.0b12
G4 2x1.GHz, 1.75 RAM
12" PB G4 867 GHz, 640 RAM
OS X.3.2

Re: Trashed Email?

[Ben Kennedy]

On 19 4 2004 at 10:59 am -0400, Larry Samberg wrote:

>Am I going crazy?

Maybe. :)

>Also, in the release notes for PM5 there was an item about configuring to
>delete trash after "n" days ... where do you configure that?

Preferences > General > When Quitting PowerMail...

-ben

-- 
Ben Kennedy, chief magician
zygoat creative technical services
613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628
http://www.zygoat.ca

Re: Trying PM 5

[John Snippe]

On Mon, Apr 19, 2004,  it is attributed to John Snippe to have said:

>BTW:  what is the anticipated pricepoint to upgrade?

Never mind.  I read the readme.

-- 
later, 
  JS

"Silence is the virtue of fools."
   Sir Francis Bacon

Re: Trying PM 5

[John Snippe]

On Mon, Apr 19, 2004,  it is attributed to John Snippe to have said:

>>Does that answer your question?
>
>Sure does.  Will pass on the beta ;-)

Whoa.  Offlist took a wee spike there!

Will make a copy of the database, and try the beta.

Soorryy!

BTW:  what is the anticipated pricepoint to upgrade?

-- 
later, 
  JS

Then the Grinch thought of something he hadn't before!
"Maybe Christmas," he thought, "doesn't come from a store.
Maybe Christmas... perhaps... means a little bit more!"
   
 Dr. Seuss "...Grinch..."

Trashed Email?

[Larry Samberg]

Over the past few days I have noticed that not all of the emails that I
delete go into the Trash. I don't know where they are going.
I just received an email and clicked on the trash can. Then I realized
that I wanted to respond so I went to the mail trash ... and it wasn't there.
This has happened to me several times recently ... not sure if it has
always happened or just started recently. I upgraded to PM5 this morning
and the same behavior ... but it was happening before PM5.

Am I going crazy?

Also, in the release notes for PM5 there was an item about configuring to
delete trash after "n" days ... where do you configure that?

-- 
Larry S. Samberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
VM/Fax: 270-514-0557

Life has taught us that love does not consist in gazing at each other,
but in looking outward together in the same direction.
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re: PM5 - So far

[Scott at HobbyLink Japan]

>Really? Where?

The upper left corner of the message window's toolbar (not the mail
browser's).  This assumes you have not customized it, of course.

---

Scott T. Hards
President
HobbyLink Japan (www.hlj.com)

Re: Trying PM 5

[Derry Thompson]

harryo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on 19/4/04 3:19 pm

>My PM4 key did not work.
>And with the web pages all screwed up
>and a security warning on the CTdev site.

You use the PM5 key that comes with the download.  
>
>I am very hesitant of trying PM5.
>
>Especially not for a trial period that leaves me
>with a very difficult migration back to PM4.

Not really, backup your database. Use the copy of the dbase for PM5. You
should be able to export mail from 5 and import it  back into 4 if you do
do need to go back. 

I've been using 5 for a few hours now and I like it very much. 

Nice job guys.

--
Derry Thompson
g l o d e r w o r k s | Design - Hosting - Programming 

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
+ 44 (0) 7976 802487

Re: Trying PM 5

[A-NO-NE Music]

harryo / 04.4.19 / 10:19AM wrote:

>My PM4 key did not work.

Did you see PM5 key came with this bata?

>And with the web pages all screwed up
>and a security warning on the CTdev site.

Safari, IE, no problem.  What browser actually can not read SSI?

>My reason for PM in the first place was my love of EMailer

Then you should forgive PM web site since it is created by Claris Home
Page :-)
By the way, I see nothing in the code that suggests security warning you
mentioned.  Very interesting.

>Maybe it's time to go back home and support Apple again.

I think it's a good idea :-)

-- 

- Hiro

[PROTECTED]
<[PROTECTED]> <[PROTECTED]>

Re: PM5 - So far

[Thomas Andersson]

Scott at HobbyLink Japan wrote:

>Now a BIG paper clip in the toolbar.

Really? Where?
Would love to have it there, but Š
/Thomas Andersson

Re: PM5 - So far

[Sherman Wilcox]

Scott said:

>Anybody else having problems tabbing?  When I hit tab from the Subject
>field, instead of moving to recipients, various elements of the mail
>window itself start getting highlighted in sequence.  I have to click in
>the recipients window or message body to move the cursor there.

See my previous message. I believe you have Full Keyboard Access turned
on in Keyboard & Mouse preferences. Turn it off and this odd behavior
goes away. I hope it gets fixed, because I prefer to have Full Keyboard
Access turned on.

-- 
Sherman

Re: PM5 upgrade costs

[Ben Kennedy]

On 19 4 2004 at 9:20 am -0400, Mark Gerber wrote:

>Has the upgrade cost or whether or not there is a deal for PM
>owners  to purchase SpamSieve been documented elsewhere?

Yep, it was in the readme announcement that was posted to this list. 
Check again.

-ben

-- 
Ben Kennedy, chief magician
zygoat creative technical services
613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628
http://www.zygoat.ca

Re: Trying PM 5

[Ben Kennedy]

On 19 4 2004 at 10:12 am -0400, John Snippe wrote:

>>Once you upgrade your DB, it will no longer work in 4.2.
>>
>>Does that answer your question?
>
>Sure does.  Will pass on the beta ;-)

Well, many of us have been using builds of 5.0 for weeks or months now,
without any problems whatsoever.  And when the release version comes out
(undoubtedly within the next few weeks), you'll have the same conundrum.
 So really it's an issue of whether you eventually choose to upgrade to
5.0 at all.

-ben

-- 
Ben Kennedy, chief magician
zygoat creative technical services
613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628
http://www.zygoat.ca

Re: Trying PM 5

[harryo]

My PM4 key did not work.
And with the web pages all screwed up
and a security warning on the CTdev site.

I am very hesitant of trying PM5.

Especially not for a trial period that leaves me
with a very difficult migration back to PM4.

My reason for PM in the first place was my love of EMailer
But they tell me that Apples Mail application native to OSX
is very very good.

Maybe it's time to go back home and support Apple again.

Harry G. Osoff
Founder
The Pterodactyl Society
Box 1
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dedicated to The Discovery & Preservation 
Of The Living Pterosaurs on Earth

Re: PM5 - So far

[Scott at HobbyLink Japan]

>1. I miss the little paper clip for attachment at the bottom of the
>message window.

Now a BIG paper clip in the toolbar.  I prefer it this way.

>2. Did the "Activity Window" go away? I can show Background Processes,
>but the little Activity window that summarized the processes seems to
>have gone away.

Activity now shown as "status" in the lower right corner of the mail
browser.  Where it says "idle" when nothing is happening.  If it doesn't
show it there, select "show status" from the View menu.

Anybody else having problems tabbing?  When I hit tab from the Subject
field, instead of moving to recipients, various elements of the mail
window itself start getting highlighted in sequence.  I have to click in
the recipients window or message body to move the cursor there.

All the changes are fantastic.  It's wonderful to see a company
addressing so many long-term requests in one release.  If there's
anything missing, it's the oft-repeated request for some kind of visual
warning when there are messages in the Out Tray that failed to be sent
for whatever reason.

---

Scott T. Hards
President
HobbyLink Japan (www.hlj.com)

PM5 upgrade costs

[Mark Gerber]

I cannot open either "Buy PowerMail and SpamSieve" or "Upgrade from
Powermail 3-4" on the PM5b12 disk image (I get blank documents in
TextEdit). Has the upgrade cost or whether or not there is a deal for PM
owners  to purchase SpamSieve been documented elsewhere?

Mark

Mark Gerber
GERBER STUDIO/Tradigital Illustration

Re: Trying PM 5

[John Snippe]

On Mon, Apr 19, 2004,  it is attributed to Ben Kennedy to have said:

>>Will conversion of db's affect possible future post-beta use in 4.2?
>
>Once you upgrade your DB, it will no longer work in 4.2.
>
>Does that answer your question?

Sure does.  Will pass on the beta ;-)

-- 
later, 
  JS

"I still climb Mount Everest just as often as I used to.  
I play polo just as often as I used to.  
But to walk down to the hardware store I find a little bit more difficult"
   
 Dr. Seuss on aging

Re: Trying PM 5

[Matthias Schmidt]

John,

you won't be able to downgrade your database to v4 anymore.
But I think after using v5 for a while, you even don't want to do so ;-)

Matthias

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Am/On: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:44:33 +0200 schrieb/wrote: John John Snippe

>Will conversion of db's affect possible future post-beta use in 4.2?

Re: Trying PM 5

[PowerMail Engineering]

John Snippe wrote:

>Will conversion of db's affect possible future post-beta use in 4.2?

What do you mean exactly?
If you convert your 4.2 DB to 5.0 format, you won't be able to go back to
PM 4.2 (or you will need to use a backuped version of your DB).
If you use 5.0 with a test DB, you can still use 4.2 with your main DB.

Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering

-
   "Avec PowerMail, on n'éblouit pas l'utilisateur avec des icônes et des
fioritures partout, on fait dans l'efficace. Et là où les auteurs de ce
logiciel font très fort, c'est que malgré cette politique d'interface,
le logiciel reste agréable et totalement intégré au style Aqua. Beau et
pratique, il fallait le faire !"
  PowerMail revue on www.cuk.ch

 Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com
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PM5 - So far

[Larry Samberg]

I've been waiting for this for a while so when I downloaded my email this
morning and saw the announcement I was thrilled!
Downloaded it immediately and started using it. No problems so far
(thanks to the hints I saw on this list before I tried it).
I don't have a huge mail file, probably around 5000 messages. I can't
tell if PM5 is really faster, but it does not appear to be slower :)

A couple of comments:

1. I miss the little paper clip for attachment at the bottom of the
message window.
2. Did the "Activity Window" go away? I can show Background Processes,
but the little Activity window that summarized the processes seems to
have gone away.
3. Never used Spamsieve before ... seems pretty neat ... but I haven't
quite figured it all out yet.

-- 
Larry S. Samberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
VM/Fax: 270-514-0557

Life has taught us that love does not consist in gazing at each other,
but in looking outward together in the same direction.
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re: Trying PM 5

[Wayne Brissette]

John Snippe [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 19 April 2004 stated:

>Will conversion of db's affect possible future post-beta use in 4.2?
>

What do you mean? Can you go back to 4.2 after 5 upgrades the database?

Wayne

-- 
Music is spiritual. The music business is not. 
- Van Morrison

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Music Currently playing:

Re: Trying PM 5

[Ben Kennedy]

On 19 4 2004 at 9:44 am -0400, John Snippe wrote:

>Will conversion of db's affect possible future post-beta use in 4.2?

Once you upgrade your DB, it will no longer work in 4.2.

Does that answer your question?

-ben

-- 
Ben Kennedy, chief magician
zygoat creative technical services
613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628
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Re: Trying PM 5

[John Snippe]

Will conversion of db's affect possible future post-beta use in 4.2?

-- 
later, 
  JS

Then the Grinch thought of something he hadn't before!
"Maybe Christmas," he thought, "doesn't come from a store.
Maybe Christmas... perhaps... means a little bit more!"
   
 Dr. Seuss "...Grinch..."

Re: Trying PM 5

[Nick Quinn's list address]

Jean,

Thus spoke Jean de Crombrugghe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Monday, 19
April 2004 at 8:00 PM +1000:

>Yes, but it doesn't work on my computer : invalide key :(

move the key to the same folder as Powermail then drop it on the .app

hf,

Nick Quinn
Sunshine Beach Software in OZ

Re: Trying PM 5

[Thomas Andersson]

Wayne Brissette wrote:

>Under the File > Database menu, choose Switch User Environment
>(File > >Database > Switch User Environment). Locate your
>current database and PM 5 will import it. It is important to note
>that you really should back up prior to switching, once your
>database is converted to the 5.0 format, it's not easy going
>back.

Thank you! For the advice also ...
/Thomas A.

Re: Trying PM 5

[Wayne Brissette]

Thomas Andersson [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 4/19/04 at 5:49 stated: 

>I tried to download the PM 5 from the CTM page - but it1s nowhere
>to be found. Only the 4.2 is available. However, I suceeded via
>Macupdate. Now I wonder how to migrate fran 4.2 to 5. There is no
>info on this anywhere! And PM 5 didn1t ask me anything about
>databases upon launch S? Why being so difficult?
>
>/Thomas Andersson

Thomas:

Under the File > Database menu, choose Switch User Environment (File >
Database > Switch User Environment). Locate your current database and PM
5 will import it. It is important to note that you really should back up
prior to switching, once your database is converted to the 5.0 format,
it's not easy going back. 

Wayne

-- 
Music is spiritual. The music business is not. 
- Van Morrison

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Wayne's Music Calendar: http://ical.mac.com/wayneb/Music
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Music Currently playing: 

Re(2): Trying PM 5

[uweyers]

My key also doesn't work.

Besides that, PM 5 is what I was waiting forlong filenames, spam
filter etc.

Udo Weyers

>En réponse au mail de Scott at HobbyLink Japan, daté du 19/04/04 à 11:36 :
>
>>>Will my current PM 4 key unlock the 200 message limit? If so how (yes,
>>>I've tried!)
>>
>>The beta includes a key for testing that expires on May 30.
>>
>Yes, but it doesn't work on my computer : invalide key :(
>
>  Jean de Crombrugghe
>A vendre iBook G4 14", 1Ghz, DD60 Go, 256 Mb acheté décembre 03
>Belgium mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   AIM: jean1dc
> -- -- ? -- --
>
>
>

Re: Trying PM 5

[Thomas Andersson]

I tried to download the PM 5 from the CTM page ­ but it¹s nowhere
to be found. Only the 4.2 is available. However, I suceeded via
Macupdate. Now I wonder how to migrate från 4.2 to 5. There is no
info on this anywhere! And PM 5 didn¹t ask me anything about
databases upon launch Š Why being so difficult?

/Thomas Andersson

Re: Trying PM 5

[Christian Roth]

Jean de Crombrugghe wrote:

>>The beta includes a key for testing that expires on May 30.
>>
>Yes, but it doesn't work on my computer : invalide key :(

That message appeared when I dragged the key from the disk image to PM.
When I copied everything into a writable folder on my HD and then dragged
the key file from there onto the PM icon (not running), it worked.

Regards, Christian.

Re: [ANN] PowerMail 5 public beta 12 now available

[Jean de Crombrugghe]

En réponse au mail de DavidG, daté du 19/04/04 à 11:07 :

>PowerMail info wrote on Mon 19 Apr 2004 at 09:10 +0200
>
>>We are hereby pleased to announce the availability of the PowerMail 5.0b12
>>public beta release, which can be directly downloaded from:
>>
>> 
>
>I have found the demo however that page needs fixing, I'm seeing only
>HTML code.
>--
Try to open it in Safari. I havec also the code in Mozilla

  Jean de Crombrugghe
A vendre iBook G4 14", 1Ghz, DD60 Go, 256 Mb acheté décembre 03
Belgium mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   AIM: jean1dc
 -- -- ? -- --

Re: Trying PM 5

[Jean de Crombrugghe]

En réponse au mail de Scott at HobbyLink Japan, daté du 19/04/04 à 11:36 :

>>Will my current PM 4 key unlock the 200 message limit? If so how (yes,
>>I've tried!)
>
>The beta includes a key for testing that expires on May 30.
>
Yes, but it doesn't work on my computer : invalide key :(

  Jean de Crombrugghe
A vendre iBook G4 14", 1Ghz, DD60 Go, 256 Mb acheté décembre 03
Belgium mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   AIM: jean1dc
 -- -- ? -- --

Keyboard Shortcut for "Remove Read" from RMW

[Christian Roth]

Hi,

what is the keyboard shortcut for "Remove Read" from the Recent Messages
Window? This is a function I perform very often, but I haven't found the
command as a menu item to see its assigned shortcut (or create one using
Panther preferences).

Before hitting all key combos to check - does anyone know? :-) And if
there isn't: Consider this as an (urgent - at least for me) feature request.

PM 5.0b12

Regards, Christian.

Re: Trying PM 5

[Scott at HobbyLink Japan]

>Will my current PM 4 key unlock the 200 message limit? If so how (yes,
>I've tried!)

The beta includes a key for testing that expires on May 30.

---

Scott T. Hards
President
HobbyLink Japan (www.hlj.com)

Re: Trying PM 5

[Christian Roth]

DavidG wrote:

>Clearly I cannot beta test the
>product if it only allows a limited number of messages

Drag the included license key file on the PM application icon to license
it fully with the mentioned expiry date.

Regards, Christian.

Trying PM 5

[DavidG]

I have downloaded PM 5.

The Read Me says,

>Upon first launch, PowerMail 5 will suggest either updating your database
>or creating a new one. Converting your database is a one-way street

however I found that I am presented with a 'demo' version. It will expire
and only allow me to have 200 messages. Clearly I cannot beta test the
product if it only allows a limited number of messages

Will my current PM 4 key unlock the 200 message limit? If so how (yes,
I've tried!)

Otherwise there's no point really...

-- 
David Gordon

Re: [ANN] PowerMail 5 public beta 12 now available

[DavidG]

PowerMail info wrote on Mon 19 Apr 2004 at 09:10 +0200

>We are hereby pleased to announce the availability of the PowerMail 5.0b12
>public beta release, which can be directly downloaded from:
>
> 

I have found the demo however that page needs fixing, I'm seeing only
HTML code.
-- 
David Gordon

[ANN] PowerMail 5 public beta 12 now available

[PowerMail info]

Dear PowerMail list member,

We are hereby pleased to announce the availability of the PowerMail 5.0b12
public beta release, which can be directly downloaded from:

 

Release notes and information on managing your subscription to this list
are included below.

Best regards,

Marie-Therese Lamagat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CTM Development   

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>  POWERMAIL 5.0B12  RELEASE NOTES - APRIL 2004
---

This section with screen dumps can be viewed at:

 

PowerMail 5 feature overview

* Better at fighting spam:
 o Built-in filters enhancement for dealing with spam
 o Tight integration with SpamSieve for best efficiency
* Improved performance and functionality:
 o Now ships as Mac OS X-only Mach0 binary (requires Mac OS
   X 10.2 or later)
 o Much faster when fetching, filtering and storing
   messages
 o Many more filter actions (including by content)
 o Delete messages after "n" days in the Mail trash
 o Ability to process incorrectly-decoded messages again
 o Long file names and alias support for attachments
 o Ability to export attachments along with messages
* User interface enhancements:
 o Fully customizable toolbars in mail browser, recent
   mail, message window, address book and setting dialogs,
   with extra addable toolbar buttons
 o New multiple "Undo" feature on moving messages, change
   status, marrk read/unread, mark as spam/mark as good
 o Ability to use System sounds and custom sounds
 o New filter interface eases editing of complex rules
 o Configurable Address history and Recent mail views
 o Supports .sitx decompression if Stuffit Engine is
   present
 o Integrated and customizable Mac OS X toolbar
 o Live resizing of windows
 o Better organization of the Scripts menu

PowerMail 5 feature details can be read at:

 

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Until May 31st 2004 only, upgrades from previous PowerMail versions
are just US$ 29, or US$ 45 including SpamSieve(TM) while new licenses
are just US$ 49, or US$ 65 including SpamSieve(TM)  (Note: SpamSieve 
alone usually costs US$ 25 !).

Orders can be placed now, but will only be charged and processed 
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Re: file access problems

[A-NO-NE Music]

Jay / 4/18/2004 / 8:54 PM wrote:

>Have you tried the most simple solution: running Cocktail or Yasu or one
>of the other utilities that does general system maintenance including
>repairing permissions?

Just to be clear, repair permission only looks up to permission setting
that is stored in Receipt.  This is why you _have to_ run it from boot volume.

The original poster's case seems to be that PM is unable to close pref i/
o because the pref itself might be read-only.

For email use, your account needs to have full r/w access to own account
and associated directories.

-- 

- Hiro

[PROTECTED]
<[PROTECTED]> <[PROTECTED]>

Re: file access problems

[Jay]

On 4/18/04, H.R. declared:

>When I use PM on my desktop, where I am an administrative user, I have no
>problems. When I use it on a laptop, where my account is not an
>administrative account, it almost always crashes when I quit the program.
>I think it is related to attachments. It complains of not having
>sufficient privileges. Is there a way around this problem?
>
>Ron

Have you tried the most simple solution: running Cocktail or Yasu or one
of the other utilities that does general system maintenance including
repairing permissions?

---Jay

IMAP question

[Michael Fan]

I have a friend who connects with a PC using Outlook Express to an IMAP
server. On the initial setup to the server, she checked a box that said
"store special folders on IMAP server," and designated the "sent items
path" as "sent items." On sending email, her sent mail gets automatically
put in the sent items folder on the IMAP server. Is there a similar
functionality with PowerMail? And if not, what Mac OS X programs have it?

Michael Fan

file access problems

[H.R. Riggs]

When I use PM on my desktop, where I am an administrative user, I have no
problems. When I use it on a laptop, where my account is not an
administrative account, it almost always crashes when I quit the program.
I think it is related to attachments. It complains of not having
sufficient privileges. Is there a way around this problem?

Ron