Re: Feedback on PM 6 beta (4574)
Hi there, I'd like to second and comment on couple of points made by Ben and Bill. Especially these ;-): This is really distracting and made me check PM couple of times just finding no new email: - after every mail check PM is now bouncing the dock icon, regardless of whether there was actually any new mail. Works fine on my machine though - no problem here: - sleeping the computer in one location (wireless network) then awaking in another causes PM to hang (stack trace on request). I actually switched it of again. I found it too irregular for my eyes ;-). Maybe, I would have liked it, if it'd been really like finder windows, with the side pane as in iTunes etc. - I like the appearance of the Finder-like display's alternating row backgrounds but prefer the performance and text-selection behaviour of the original PM scheme. Any chance we could get the best of both worlds? Yes indeed :-) -Feature list for me doesn't feel like a v6, more like 5.6 - but will hold judgement until I've gotten more experience with what's here, and what will come before release. Cheers, Karsten
Re: Feedback on PM 6 beta (4574)
Karsten Liere wrote at 10:04 AM (+0100) on 11/21/08: Works fine on my machine though - no problem here: - sleeping the computer in one location (wireless network) then awaking in another causes PM to hang (stack trace on request). Yeah, I might have to rescind this; I moved locations again later in the evening, and had no such hang/crash. However, PM did give the usual connection error messages immediately, rather than wait until I was re- established on the new network (I thought that was supposedly fixed). -ben
Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
Hello, I've just taken a short look on the new version. I can't run pm5 in the same time as v6. I miss a settings for sorting according threads. I receive most mails from different lists and sorting by thread is for me the most missing feature in pm5 and styled text the last thing I really miss. Will there be a separate beta list for testing and other stuff, like localizing? How's about imap? did anybody already test this a bit more? all the best Matthias Am/On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:02:47 -0700 schrieb/wrote Bill Schjelderup: Thanks for the PM update! I've downloaded it, purchased the upgrade, and just for fun, ordered FoxTrot Pro to see how I like it. Got my FoxTrot Pro serial number, but not Powermail v6 serial number. Previous Betas have been good enough for real use, I'm hoping this is the same as that's what I'm doing. So far... 1. Missing Drag select of messages. Like Select All keyboard option, but miss the Drag Selection. 2. I like the new look. 3. I like that everything seems to work at least as well as v5. 4. Like the Updated at option. 5. I don't understand why you can't show the simple header with HTML email. I get a LOT more html email than I have in the past, and it's very irritating to have to select simpler header, and lost HTML formatting just to see how it was addressed. 6. Runs well on my 8 Core Machine. 7. No email to tech support option? Or does that turn on only with my serial number. 8. Thanks to Ben for the tip on quicklook support for attachments. cool. 9. Feature list for me doesn't feel like a v6, more like 5.6 - but will hold judgement until I've gotten more experience with what's here, and what will come before release. 10. No crashes yet, hopefully more stable for me than v5 11. Didn't test it with Safari preview of v4, with Powermail v5 that made it much more unstable on my machine. Happy to get the update, thanks! +---+ Bill Schjelderup -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+
Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
Matthias Schmidt (21/11/08, 12:29) said: well, I forgot to mention one thing, I'm wondering, why the database format was not changed. A one-file-monolythic database is really not up-to-date together with technologies like Time Machine. And the most often asked feature request in the past was to lift the 2GB limit of the database and not styled text. That is a major disappointment to me :( I currently have to compact the database twice a week to avoid this limit. Not sure how long I can continue using PowerMail... Jeremy
Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
Jeremy Hughes at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:50:19 + That is a major disappointment to me :( I currently have to compact the database twice a week to avoid this limit. Not sure how long I can continue using PowerMail... You might be missing this feature. Instead of multiplying risks with bigger and bigger databases, PowerMail works around the 2GB database limit by enabling the archiving and splitting into several smaller indexable message corpuses. Not ideal, but seems to work OK in my limited testing so far. Cheers -- Derry Thompson g l o d e r w o r k s | Design - Hosting - Programming http://www.gloderworks.com + 44 (0) 1562 631430 t + 44 (0) 7976 802487 m
Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
Am/On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:17:16 + schrieb/wrote Derry Thompson: Jeremy Hughes at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:50:19 + That is a major disappointment to me :( I currently have to compact the database twice a week to avoid this limit. Not sure how long I can continue using PowerMail... You might be missing this feature. No I didn't miss that one, but we could do that before. What they added is just a Macro for doing so automatically. Instead of multiplying risks with bigger and bigger databases, PowerMail works around the 2GB database limit by enabling the archiving and splitting into several smaller indexable message corpuses. I don't see the point. Where is the risk? Any bigger SQL database is handling gigabytes of data since years. There is a problem, but no risk. The problem is called time machine. all the best Matthias
Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
Derry Thompson (21/11/08, 15:17) said: That is a major disappointment to me :( I currently have to compact the database twice a week to avoid this limit. Not sure how long I can continue using PowerMail... You might be missing this feature. Instead of multiplying risks with bigger and bigger databases, PowerMail works around the 2GB database limit by enabling the archiving and splitting into several smaller indexable message corpuses. Not ideal, but seems to work OK in my limited testing so far. I tried that a while back, and it wasn't a good solution. In any case, I don't want bigger and bigger databases. I want separate databases for each email folder (like in Apple Mail). It's fine if these have a 2 GB limit. What isn't fine is a single monolithic database with a 2 GB limit. Jeremy
Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
Matthias Schmidt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:32:59 +0900 No I didn't miss that one, but we could do that before. Ah, but I wasn't replying to you :). What they added is just a Macro for doing so automatically. Yes, I agree, like I said It's not idea, but it does make the process somewhat easier. Instead of multiplying risks with bigger and bigger databases, PowerMail works around the 2GB database limit by enabling the archiving and splitting into several smaller indexable message corpuses. I don't see the point. Where is the risk? I supposed the see risk in that a bigger file is more complex and therefore more easily corrupted. Any bigger SQL database is handling gigabytes of data since years. Agreed. There is a problem, but no risk. The problem is called time machine. Yep, I'd prefer a more elegant solution. Best. -- Derry Thompson g l o d e r w o r k s | Design - Hosting - Programming http://www.gloderworks.com + 44 (0) 1562 631430 t + 44 (0) 7976 802487 m
Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
Jeremy Hughes at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:43:56 + I tried that a while back, and it wasn't a good solution. Ahh. Ok. In any case, I don't want bigger and bigger databases. I want separate databases for each email folder (like in Apple Mail). It's fine if these have a 2 GB limit. What isn't fine is a single monolithic database with a 2 GB limit. Yep, agreed. Cheers -- Derry Thompson g l o d e r w o r k s | Design - Hosting - Programming http://www.gloderworks.com + 44 (0) 1562 631430 t + 44 (0) 7976 802487 m
Re(2): PM 6 beta (4574)
While it's great there is new update (finally!), it really should be a point release. I'd love to give PowerMail money for an upgrade. I think it should have more features in it: A major new release should have features that make you go wow!. George Henne
Re: PM 6 beta (4574)
Am/On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:16:46 -0500 schrieb/wrote George Henne: While it's great there is new update (finally!), it really should be a point release. I'd love to give PowerMail money for an upgrade. I think it should have more features in it: A major new release should have features that make you go wow!. exactly styled text? who needs this ? new list design, with alternating background, well nice ;-) push imap, well that's the future in email technology, an up-to-date mail client has to be able to deal with this. and ? all the best Matthias
Re: Feedback on PM 6 beta (4574)
Ben Kennedy wrote: Yeah, I might have to rescind this; I moved locations again later in the evening, and had no such hang/crash. However, PM did give the usual connection error messages immediately, rather than wait until I was re- established on the new network (I thought that was supposedly fixed). If PM was connected when you put it to sleep, you'll get an error message on wake-up. But if it was not connected, it should wait a bit before connecting, waiting for airport or whatever to connect. Jérôme - CTM Engineering - With FoxTrot I find files I do not find with Spotlight. With FoxTrot I do not get swamped with 2000 found files in one bunch, under Documents and now I have to scroll through a long list - with FoxTrot I can quickly and easy narrow my search. With FoxTrot with one click I can see a preview with the search term highlighted. One of the very important reasons I like FoxTrot is that it's results seem so much more appropriate. And searches in FoxTrot returns are almost instantly - way way faster than in Spotlight Marlyse Comte, FoxTrot Personal Search user Download a demo version from www.foxtrot.ch -
powermail-discuss Digest #2903 - 11/21/08
powermail-discuss Digest #2903 - Friday, November 21, 2008 test? by Dave N [EMAIL PROTECTED] Feedback on PM 6 beta (4574) by Ben Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] PM 6 beta (4574) by Bill Schjelderup [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: Feedback on PM 6 beta (4574) by Karsten Liere [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: Feedback on PM 6 beta (4574) by Ben Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: PM 6 beta (4574) by Matthias Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: PM 6 beta (4574) by Matthias Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: PM 6 beta (4574) by Jeremy Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: PM 6 beta (4574) by Derry Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: PM 6 beta (4574) by Matthias Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: PM 6 beta (4574) by Jeremy Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: PM 6 beta (4574) by Derry Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: PM 6 beta (4574) by Derry Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re(2): PM 6 beta (4574) by George Henne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: PM 6 beta (4574) by Matthias Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: Feedback on PM 6 beta (4574) by PowerMail Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Subject: test? From: Dave N [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:29:14 -0800 Just checking to see if the list is working. I haven't seen any new emails since 11/5/08, and this seems especially odd since there is also n new PowerMail version 6. DN -- Subject: Feedback on PM 6 beta (4574) From: Ben Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:32:26 -0800 Congrats on the beta! I downloaded it and bought my upgrade this afternoon. After some initial use, here are some of my observations: - after every mail check PM is now bouncing the dock icon, regardless of whether there was actually any new mail. - sleeping the computer in one location (wireless network) then awaking in another causes PM to hang (stack trace on request). - HTML messages displayed in the preview pane are still missing the headers (to, from, date, etc.) This is persistent from 5.x. - in the attachment list a message window, the selection colour persists (is not drawn correctly) when selecting adjacent members in the list when Finder-like lists is not enabled. - in the main message list, the text becomes illegible for selected items when any label is applied. The list seems intelligent enough to invert the unlabeled black text to white, but for any other colour. - I like the appearance of the Finder-like display's alternating row backgrounds but prefer the performance and text-selection behaviour of the original PM scheme. Any chance we could get the best of both worlds? - Subjectively, the app feels slightly more sluggish than 5.x, but perhaps I am imagining it. - I guess nothing has been done about revamping IMAP support, so I'll keep using Apple Mail for that. - QuickLook support for attachments is welcome (and is probably the only new feature I've found so far that I'll appreciate on a regular basis). Now, wouldn't it be slick if the preview windows slid up into and out of view similar to the Finder and Apple Mail...) Lookin forward to the next build! b -- Ben Kennedy (chief magician) zygoat creative technical services http://www.zygoat.ca -- Subject: PM 6 beta (4574) From: Bill Schjelderup [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:02:47 -0700 Thanks for the PM update! I've downloaded it, purchased the upgrade, and just for fun, ordered FoxTrot Pro to see how I like it. Got my FoxTrot Pro serial number, but not Powermail v6 serial number. Previous Betas have been good enough for real use, I'm hoping this is the same as that's what I'm doing. So far... 1. Missing Drag select of messages. Like Select All keyboard option, but miss the Drag Selection. 2. I like the new look. 3. I like that everything seems to work at least as well as v5. 4. Like the Updated at option. 5. I don't understand why you can't show the simple header with HTML email. I get a LOT more html email than I have in the past, and it's very irritating to have to select simpler header, and lost HTML formatting just to see how it was addressed. 6. Runs well on my 8 Core Machine. 7. No email to tech support option? Or does that turn on only with my serial number. 8. Thanks to Ben for the tip on quicklook support for attachments. cool. 9. Feature list for me doesn't feel like a v6, more like 5.6 - but will hold judgement until I've gotten more experience with what's here, and what will come before release. 10. No crashes yet, hopefully more stable for me than v5 11. Didn't test it with Safari preview of v4, with Powermail v5 that made it much more unstable on my machine. Happy to get the update, thanks!
Help! Erased account-how to avoid massive re-download?
I had two versions of the account information for my main email account in Mail Accounts. The older one was set up for receiving mail, the newer one for sending. Yesterday I deleted the older account and now have set the newer one to check for mail. Now PowerMail wants to re-download all previously downloaded mail. I keep 2 months of mail on web mail as a backup. I assume that when I deleted the older settings in Mail Accounts PowerMail lost the log of what mail it had already downloaded.Is there any way to keep PowerMail from re-downloading the email it has already downloaded? Thanks for any help. - Winston (This happened because my internet company moved to authenticated SMTP which required different SMTP settings. I discovered that the PM List- Unsubscribe button on some emails ignored the setting to use the newer account settings and instead used the older settings, which no longer work for sending mail. So I deleted the older settings, not realizing that this would mess up PowerMail's tracking of what mail it had already downloaded.)
Re: Help! Erased account-how to avoid massive re-download?
Am/On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:22:01 -0500 schrieb/wrote Winston Weinmann: I had two versions of the account information for my main email account in Mail Accounts. The older one was set up for receiving mail, the newer one for sending. Yesterday I deleted the older account and now have set the newer one to check for mail. Now PowerMail wants to re-download all previously downloaded mail. I keep 2 months of mail on web mail as a backup. I assume that when I deleted the older settings in Mail Accounts PowerMail lost the log of what mail it had already downloaded.Is there any way to keep PowerMail from re-downloading the email it has already downloaded? I believe this has nothing to do with PM, but the server pushes these mails again So, I'd setup a filter for these mails, so that they get collected in one folder and redownload them and delete the whole folder after downloading. Or you use IMAP and delete them from the server. Thanks and all the best Matthias
A Tad More Feedback
I'm sort of the opposite of some of the opinions expressed here. 1. I am happy to pay for an upgrade. I could care less if it is 6.0 or 5.6.5.001. I want CTM Development to continue seeing PowerMail as something worth putting time into (and for them to stay in the black). The upgrade cost is about what it costs me to take my sons out to lunch, and a good email client is a very important tool to me. 2. I can live with one big, hairy database. More messages simply means more records. Archiving messages will make it easier to keep them backed up elsewhere. 3. Simple styled text will make the difference between having PowerMail around to use once in a while and being the email client I use all the time. Because of this feature, I'll be able to reply to people who like the sort of emphasis that styled text makes possible. And will prevent loss of any styles they may have applied to text I include in a reply. I have not followed this list closely enough to know what problems there are with IMAP accounts, but maybe because of that I will have an open mind. Open mind or not, though, I backed up my mail database before I installed the betta! :-) --Lyle
Re: A Tad More Feedback
Lyle D. Gunderson wrote at 7:39 PM (-0700) on 11/21/08: 1. I am happy to pay for an upgrade. I could care less if it is 6.0 or 5.6.5.001. I want CTM Development to continue seeing PowerMail as something worth putting time into (and for them to stay in the black). The upgrade cost is about what it costs me to take my sons out to lunch, and a good email client is a very important tool to me. I agree. If it were my software I would not be bumping the version numbers so quickly, due to my philosophies on version numbering. But that is immaterial to my desire to support the software's development. And will prevent loss of any styles they may have applied to text I include in a reply. I'm not sure about that -- it appears that if you reply to an HTML message, the entire content is reduced to plain text. I think that was mentioned in the release notes. Unless I misunderstand what you're saying. Open mind or not, though, I backed up my mail database before I installed the betta! :-) While backups are always a good idea, your reasoning sounds a little fishy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betta ;) -ben
Re: A Tad More Feedback
On or about 13:51 Ben Kennedy said - While backups are always a good idea, your reasoning sounds a little fishy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betta ;) -ben nyuck, nyuck, nyuck ! Graham
