Re: migrating to IMAP
20 nov 2010 kl. 19.56 H.R. Riggs wrote: Is there an easy way to migrate to IMAP? That is, to get all my messages from my desktop machine (that I've collected over the years using POP) onto the IMAP account (gmail), with all the many, many folders? Thanks. Ron forward it. /MB
Deleting Attachments
Is there a way to delete a message's attachments when deleting the message itself? My Downloads folder seems to get clogged with junk GIF's. Tony -- Anthony R. Sanna SACO Foods, Inc. 1-800-373-7226 asa...@sacofoods.com
Re: sent messages with IMAP
21 nov 2010 kl. 08.11 skrev Beatrix Willius: No, Sent messages should show up on every client. And really don't do Gmail with IMAP. Their IMAP implementation is weird. It works really well with real IMAP clients. You actually find *that* weird or is it really PowerMail´s limited abilities? Besides with Gmail there isn't a big difference between IMAP and POP. On 21.11.2010, at 03:19, H.R. Riggs wrote: I'm trying to figure out IMAP and it seems that the following is true. Let's say I sent a message from PM using the IMAP account. The message shows up in my Sent message folder on PM. It also shows up in my Sent message folder in the IMAP account (in this case, Gmail). But it doesn't look like the client sees that folder. So, e.g., if I go to another machine and use an email client, whether it be PM, or Outlook or Mail, I won't see that sent message. Is that correct? Mit freundlichen Grüßen/Regards Trixi Willius http://www.mothsoftware.com Mail Archiver X: archive, clean and search email http://www.beatrixwillius.de Fractals, 3d landscapes etc. /MB
powermail-discuss Digest #2903 - 11/22/10
powermail-discuss Digest #2903 - Monday, November 22, 2010 Re: migrating to IMAP by H.R. Riggs ri...@hawaii.edu Earthlink/Powermail issues by Evan Evanson eevan...@sprintmail.com Re: Earthlink/Powermail issues by Evan Evanson eevan...@sprintmail.com Re: migrating to IMAP by MiB digital.disc...@gmail.com Deleting Attachments by A Sanna asa...@sacofoods.com Re: sent messages with IMAP by MiB digital.disc...@gmail.com Re: Deleting Attachments by Michael J. Hußmann mich...@michael-hussmann.de -- Subject: Re: migrating to IMAP From: H.R. Riggs ri...@hawaii.edu Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 11:07:44 -1000 Beatrix Willius wrote on 11/21/10 at 9:12 PM: Hi H.R., haven't tried it for IMAP but in general the tool is good: http://www.weirdkid.com/products/emailchemy/index.html This doesn't seem to work with Powermail. At least, PM is not an option. The problem will be the odd 2 GB limit of PM. On 20.11.2010, at 19:56, H.R. Riggs wrote: Is there an easy way to migrate to IMAP? That is, to get all my messages from my desktop machine (that I've collected over the years using POP) onto the IMAP account (gmail), with all the many, many folders? Mit freundlichen Grüßen/Regards Trixi Willius http://www.mothsoftware.com Mail Archiver X: archive, clean and search email http://www.beatrixwillius.de Fractals, 3d landscapes etc. -- Subject: Earthlink/Powermail issues From: Evan Evanson eevan...@sprintmail.com Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 15:18:39 -0600 I'm wondering if anyone can help me with this - I'm in the process of switching ISPs, from Earthlink to Charter, but was planning on keeping my Earthlink email address for a while to smooth the transition. Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to connect to Earthlink's SMTP server when I'm a) using PowerMail, and b) using Charter as my ISP. I had noticed this before when travelling - I could receive email, but not send it. The workaround was to use Earthlink's web mail client to send emails, which was a pain, because I would forget the problem until I encountered an issue, then had to cut-and-paste from PowerMail to the browser. The weird wrinkle is that this seems to be a PowerMail issue. Witness this email, sent using Thunderbird, using Charter to connect to Earthlink's SMTP server. I've check, double-check, and triple-checked the SMTP settings in PowerMail, even cutting-and-pasting all settings from Thunderbird to PowerMail, but PowerMail simply won't connect to Earthlink's server. In fact, if I leave the password field blank in PowerMail, it never prompts me for the password, it simply times out attempting to send the message. I called Earthlink customer support, and true to form they simply told me that my only option when not using Earthlink as my ISP was to use the web mail client, as they are blocking all wireless servers. Which is patent nonsense in addition to being wrong, since as I stated before, this email is being sent through my home wireless network, using Charter as the ISP. Hoping somebody's already found the solution, Evan Evanson PowerMail user since 2002 -- Subject: Re: Earthlink/Powermail issues From: Evan Evanson eevan...@sprintmail.com Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 22:49:33 -0600 D'oh! Got it sorted out. Turns out there's a setting in Setup Mail Scheduling Locations that will over-ride your outgoing mail settings in every account, and that had erroneous authentication info. Thank you for allowing me to waste everyone's time. Evan Evanson On 11/21/10 15:18 , Evan Evanson wrote: I'm wondering if anyone can help me with this - I'm in the process of switching ISPs, from Earthlink to Charter, but was planning on keeping my Earthlink email address for a while to smooth the transition. Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to connect to Earthlink's SMTP server when I'm a) using PowerMail, and b) using Charter as my ISP. I had noticed this before when travelling - I could receive email, but not send it. The workaround was to use Earthlink's web mail client to send emails, which was a pain, because I would forget the problem until I encountered an issue, then had to cut-and-paste from PowerMail to the browser. The weird wrinkle is that this seems to be a PowerMail issue. Witness this email, sent using Thunderbird, using Charter to connect to Earthlink's SMTP server. I've check, double-check, and triple-checked the SMTP settings in PowerMail, even cutting-and-pasting all settings from Thunderbird to PowerMail, but PowerMail simply won't connect to Earthlink's server. In fact, if I leave the password field blank in PowerMail, it never prompts me for the password, it simply times out attempting to send the message. I called Earthlink
Re: Deleting Attachments
On 11/22/10, A Sanna wrote: Is there a way to delete a message's attachments when deleting the message itself? My Downloads folder seems to get clogged with junk GIF's. If I understand correctly, PowerMail is supposed to delete attachments when the message is deleted. What I think happens in practice, is that the attachment is deleted when PowerMail's Mail Trash is emptied. So, look in the Attachments folder, delete all Spam messages, empty PowerMail's Mail Trash, and for good measure quit PowerMail, then check the Attachments folder again. - Don
Re(2): Deleting Attachments
On 11/22/10, A Sanna wrote: Is there a way to delete a message's attachments when deleting the message itself? My Downloads folder seems to get clogged with junk GIF's. I have 13,795 items in my Attachments folders, going back to 2003. I'm convinced that many of them are orphans. I wish there was a way to clean them out.
Re(3): Deleting Attachments
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010, George Henne g...@nsbasic.com wrote: I have 13,795 items in my Attachments folders, going back to 2003. I'm convinced that many of them are orphans. I wish there was a way to clean them out. I wonder if there's a way to identify orphans? Anyone know of one? Perhaps CTM has a suggestion? Cheers.Peter
Re: Deleting Attachments
If I understand correctly, PowerMail is supposed to delete attachments when the message is deleted. Not always true. I have certain groups of files that come attached to messages that are never deleted, although the message is never opened or read. Tony -- Anthony R. Sanna SACO Foods, Inc. 1-800-373-7226 asa...@sacofoods.com
Re(4): Deleting Attachments
Peter, On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:31:49 -0500, Peter Lovell plov...@mac.com wrote: I wonder if there's a way to identify orphans? Anyone know of one? Perhaps CTM has a suggestion? The behavior is that message moved to PowerMail's mail trash should see their attachments moved to the Finder trash upon emptying PowerMail's trash. This was done so that there would be two layers of protection against inadvertant destruction of attachments. And no, there is no way to identify orphans since, precisely, they are orphaned. What I do use to keep the Mail Attachments folder under control is the Find duplicates feature of FileBuddy, which will compare the dataforks of attachments by content and let you select for instance only the newest ones, then delete them in one go. This will at least get rid of duplicates, with however the risk that one of the duplicate files may be the file referenced by a message as its attachment. Regards, jean michel
Re: Re(4): Deleting Attachments
What about exporting as PowerMail Exchange including attachments, the deleting the whole lot and importing again? It is a bit a roundabout way, and it will take a lot of time for a large archive, but it should work, or am I wrong? Mirko On 22 nov 2010, at 23:24, CTM info wrote: Peter, On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:31:49 -0500, Peter Lovell plov...@mac.com wrote: I wonder if there's a way to identify orphans? Anyone know of one? Perhaps CTM has a suggestion? The behavior is that message moved to PowerMail's mail trash should see their attachments moved to the Finder trash upon emptying PowerMail's trash. This was done so that there would be two layers of protection against inadvertant destruction of attachments. And no, there is no way to identify orphans since, precisely, they are orphaned. What I do use to keep the Mail Attachments folder under control is the Find duplicates feature of FileBuddy, which will compare the dataforks of attachments by content and let you select for instance only the newest ones, then delete them in one go. This will at least get rid of duplicates, with however the risk that one of the duplicate files may be the file referenced by a message as its attachment. Regards, jean michel
Re(6): Deleting Attachments
Mirko, Funny that you should have thought of that and mentioned it here. I started to type a similar suggestion in my previous message, only to delete it before sending: figured that I'd get in a whole lot of trouble if I were the one to suggest this and for some reason something didn't work in the process. But hey, since you were the one suggested it, then it surely must be worth a try ! ;-) jean michel On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 23:30:21 +0100, Mirko Kranenburg mirko.li...@gmail.com wrote: What about exporting as PowerMail Exchange including attachments, the deleting the whole lot and importing again? It is a bit a roundabout way, and it will take a lot of time for a large archive, but it should work, or am I wrong? Mirko On 22 nov 2010, at 23:24, CTM info wrote: Peter, On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:31:49 -0500, Peter Lovell plov...@mac.com wrote: I wonder if there's a way to identify orphans? Anyone know of one? Perhaps CTM has a suggestion? The behavior is that message moved to PowerMail's mail trash should see their attachments moved to the Finder trash upon emptying PowerMail's trash. This was done so that there would be two layers of protection against inadvertant destruction of attachments. And no, there is no way to identify orphans since, precisely, they are orphaned. What I do use to keep the Mail Attachments folder under control is the Find duplicates feature of FileBuddy, which will compare the dataforks of attachments by content and let you select for instance only the newest ones, then delete them in one go. This will at least get rid of duplicates, with however the risk that one of the duplicate files may be the file referenced by a message as its attachment. Regards, jean michel
Re(7): Deleting Attachments
Sounds workable - but is Microsoft Exchange the most reliable to export/ import to? Mirko, Funny that you should have thought of that and mentioned it here. I started to type a similar suggestion in my previous message, only to delete it before sending: figured that I'd get in a whole lot of trouble if I were the one to suggest this and for some reason something didn't work in the process. But hey, since you were the one suggested it, then it surely must be worth a try ! ;-) jean michel On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 23:30:21 +0100, Mirko Kranenburg mirko.li...@gmail.com wrote: What about exporting as PowerMail Exchange including attachments, the deleting the whole lot and importing again? It is a bit a roundabout way, and it will take a lot of time for a large archive, but it should work, or am I wrong? Mirko On 22 nov 2010, at 23:24, CTM info wrote: Peter, On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:31:49 -0500, Peter Lovell plov...@mac.com wrote: I wonder if there's a way to identify orphans? Anyone know of one? Perhaps CTM has a suggestion? The behavior is that message moved to PowerMail's mail trash should see their attachments moved to the Finder trash upon emptying PowerMail's trash. This was done so that there would be two layers of protection against inadvertant destruction of attachments. And no, there is no way to identify orphans since, precisely, they are orphaned. What I do use to keep the Mail Attachments folder under control is the Find duplicates feature of FileBuddy, which will compare the dataforks of attachments by content and let you select for instance only the newest ones, then delete them in one go. This will at least get rid of duplicates, with however the risk that one of the duplicate files may be the file referenced by a message as its attachment. Regards, jean michel
Re: Deleting Attachments
I have 13,795 items in my Attachments folders, going back to 2003. I'm convinced that many of them are orphans. I wish there was a way to clean them out. I wonder if there's a way to identify orphans? Anyone know of one? Perhaps CTM has a suggestion? Is there is any technical problem to putting all the attachments for each message in its own folder? Name the folder with some combination of message subject and date/timestamp received. This would prevent the need to rename attachments. If you find what you think is an orphaned attachment set, you have a clue to what the original message is, and if it's junk you can be rid of it all by deleting just one folder. Can metadata be set in the Finder on that folder in such a way that Spotlight will see that it is attached to a particular PowerMail message? Could FoxTrot use this kind of logic (maybe it does)? Here's another idea that perhaps could be done if attachments were stored in folders: an AppleScript that goes through your messages and finds the corresponding folder of its attachments and sets the Finder label to what you choose. Then you know which folders are orphaned by seeing which ones are not labeled. If one actually uses Finder labels for some other purpose here, do not change label if already labeled criterion, etc. Hrm. 13.932 items in my Attachments folder. That's quite a spin of the ol' beachball to see the list in the Finder. I can't imagine an Attachments folder with fewer folders (than that number of files) would be worse. Chris --
Re: Deleting Attachments
Interesting idea, Chris. Metadata or folders could solve the issue. Of the two, the metadata idea seems more efficient. One of the big problems with attachments are all those image files that are included in HTML style mail: such as little emoticons, stuff in the headers and footers and even background images. Perhaps a better idea would be to maintain a separate index file for the attachments. Basically a simple database, each record would include sufficient info to recreate the links to a specific email message. That way a simple search for subject or date would be all that is required to determine whether or not a given attachment is orphaned and to which e-mail it once belonged. As far as the spinning beach ball goes, I don't think it would be too bad. I just checked my attachments folder. It has just under 3,000 items and it took less than 5 seconds to display. I have the last of the white iMacs (circa 2007) with the maximum amount of RAM (3 to 4 GB). Assuming an equivalent Mac, it should take less than 30 seconds to display just under 14,000 items. -- Tim Lapin t...@sympatico.ca On 2010-11-22, at 9:23 PM, C. A. Niemiec wrote: I have 13,795 items in my Attachments folders, going back to 2003. I'm convinced that many of them are orphans. I wish there was a way to clean them out. I wonder if there's a way to identify orphans? Anyone know of one? Perhaps CTM has a suggestion? Is there is any technical problem to putting all the attachments for each message in its own folder? Name the folder with some combination of message subject and date/timestamp received. This would prevent the need to rename attachments. If you find what you think is an orphaned attachment set, you have a clue to what the original message is, and if it's junk you can be rid of it all by deleting just one folder. Can metadata be set in the Finder on that folder in such a way that Spotlight will see that it is attached to a particular PowerMail message? Could FoxTrot use this kind of logic (maybe it does)? Here's another idea that perhaps could be done if attachments were stored in folders: an AppleScript that goes through your messages and finds the corresponding folder of its attachments and sets the Finder label to what you choose. Then you know which folders are orphaned by seeing which ones are not labeled. If one actually uses Finder labels for some other purpose here, do not change label if already labeled criterion, etc. Hrm. 13.932 items in my Attachments folder. That's quite a spin of the ol' beachball to see the list in the Finder. I can't imagine an Attachments folder with fewer folders (than that number of files) would be worse. Chris --
