RE: [NF] SATA Drive a Dead PC...

2012-11-16 Thread John Weller
That is (was?) a well-known technique referred to as 'percussion adjustment'
:-)

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631

 
 My father would sometimes give non-responsive radios a fair wack by
lifting
 and then giving it a not so gentle slam against the table.  The darn thing
 would then work after plugging it in.  As a small child I thought it was
magic...
 Maybe you wan'a try that!!! :) LOL
 


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Re: [NF] SATA Drive a Dead PC...

2012-11-16 Thread Mike Copeland
...and then there's the deep-freeze approach, and don't forget the 
swimin-wit-da-fishes method.


Of course, we are into some pretty extreme solutions here that produce 
rare results! But when it works, it's sweet!


Mike

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive  a Dead PC...
From: John Weller j...@johnweller.co.uk
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 2:56 AM

That is (was?) a well-known technique referred to as 'percussion adjustment'
:-)

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631


My father would sometimes give non-responsive radios a fair wack by


lifting


and then giving it a not so gentle slam against the table.  The darn thing
would then work after plugging it in.  As a small child I thought it was


magic...


Maybe you wan'a try that!!! :) LOL


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Re: VFP searching a web form

2012-11-16 Thread Mike Copeland
Thanks Dave. You've confirmed that I'm on the right track...I think I'm 
going to drop my reference to the object in the object reference.  
(Hmm, that's redundantly redundant!)


Mike


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Subject: Re: VFP searching a web form
From: Dave Crozier da...@flexipol.co.uk
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 1:26 AM

Mike, this is what I use to scrape pages. Assumes Windows 7 and IE 9

Dave


* Start Program
*
#define CR CHR(13)

clear

oIE = createobject( internetexplorer.application )

oIE.Visible = .t.
oIE.Silent = .F.

* oIE.Width = Sysmetric(1)
* oIE.Height = Sysmetric(2)
* oIE.Left=0
* oIE.Top=0

oIE.Navigate( http://www.microsoft.com; )
WaitForIE()


*!* for I=1 to 2
*!*   doevents
*!* endfor

loDoc = oIE.Document  get the Document object
*!* oRange = loDoc.body.createTextRange()
*!* if oRange.FindText(Business, 100)
*!* oRange.Select()
*!* endif

loForm = loDoc.forms(0)  get the first form object
for i = 0 to loForm.Length-1
  ? i, loForm.Item(i).Name, loForm.Item(i).Value
endfor

* Show the names of the forms:
x = Forms+Chr(13) ;
+=+Chr(13)
For lnForm = 0 to oIE.Document.forms.length - 1
x = x + TRANSFORM(lnForm) + :  + 
TRANSFORM(oIE.Document.forms(lnForm).name)
EndFor
x = x + CR

* Look at all of the objects.
* all(0) represents everything,
* 1-N are contained objects some of which are containers themselves,
* so the same thing may apear in different .all(x)'s
x = x + All Objects:+Chr(13)++Chr(13)
For lnObj = 0 to oIE.Document.all.length - 1
loObj = oIE.Document.all( lnObj )
x = x + TRANSFORM(lnObj) + :  + TRANSFORM(Substr(loObj.innerhtml, 1, 
20))
x = x + TRANSFORM(loObj.TagName) + :  + TRANSFORM(loObj.innertext)

X=X+Chr(13)
endfor

STRTOFILE(loform.InnerHTML, WebResult.txt)
MODIFY FILE WebResult.txt NOWAIT

return

PROCEDURE WaitForIE
  DO WHILE oIE.Busy() OR oIE.ReadyState  4
DOEVENTS
  ENDDO
endproc
*
* End Program
**

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Re: [NF] Adobe update forcing Chrome installation?

2012-11-16 Thread Alan Bourke


On Fri, Nov 16, 2012, at 07:33 AM, Dave Crozier wrote:
 . The same problems arise with Java
 updates. 

I wouldn't put Java updates under the same heading as sneakily
installing Chrome or some phoney baloney AV - you can turn Java updates
off very easily, and it's a good idea to leave them on as they often
contain very important security fixes.

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Re: FoxDOS 2.6 Screen Set

2012-11-16 Thread Peter Cushing

Dave Crozier wrote:

... and show get (no s on the end)  redisplays one object as opposed to the 
whole screen

Dave

  

You also need the name of the variable after the show get E.g.

SHOW GET m.pn_vrn

Here's the full help text (From fox 2.6 windows)


SHOW GET Command

See Also

Redisplays the @ ... GET object that represents the specified memory 
variable.


Syntax

SHOW GET var
   [, expN1 [PROMPT expC]]
   [ENABLE | DISABLE]
   [LEVEL expN2]
   [COLOR SCHEME expN3 | COLOR color pair list]

Remarks

Picture prompts are supported in FoxPro for Windows and FoxPro for 
Macintosh.
SHOW GET redisplays a single control (a check box, field, invisible 
button, push or radio button, list, popup, spinner or text-editing 
region).  When the value in
an  @ ... GET field changes (the cursor moves to a new record, for 
example), SHOW GET updates the value displayed in the @ ... GET field.  
When a control
is redisplayed, it can be enabled or disabled.  SHOW GET can also be 
used to redisplay an individual button within a set of invisible, radio 
or push buttons. 
You can also change the prompts of check boxes and buttons with SHOW GET.
SHOW GET is typically used in a routine executed in a control-level 
VALID or WHEN clause or a READ-level ACTIVATE or DEACTIVATE clause.


SHOW GET vs. SHOW GETS and SHOW OBJECT

Individual controls are redisplayed with SHOW GET or SHOW OBJECT.  All 
controls created with @ ... GET are redisplayed with SHOW GETS.  SHOW

GETS executes the READ LEVEL SHOW routine.  SHOW GET and SHOW OBJECT don't.
SHOW OBJECT is similar to SHOW GET except that SHOW OBJECT references 
controls by their object number, and SHOW GET references controls by
var, the memory variable, array element or field specified when the 
control is created. 
For more information on control numbering, see OBJNUM( ) or _CUROBJ.


Clauses

var

var is the memory variable, array element or field specified when the 
control was created.
In the following example, three radio buttons with the prompts Apples, 
Oranges and Lemons are created.  In this example, var is a memory 
variable named
FRUIT that initializes the radio buttons (since FRUIT equals 2, the 
second button is initially selected).  The button number is stored to 
FRUIT when you choose

a button.



CLEAR
STORE 2 TO fruit
@ 4,2 GET fruit PICTURE '@*R Apples;Oranges;Lemons'
READ CYCLE



expN1

expN1 is the number of the button you want to redisplay within a set of 
invisible, radio, or push buttons.  A button's number is determined by 
the order in which
the button prompts are created.  In the example above, Apples is created 
first and is button number one.  The second button created is Oranges; 
it is button
number two.  The last button, Lemons, is button three. 
The following program creates the same buttons as in the previous 
example.  However, when one of the radio buttons is chosen, the NOORANGE 
VALID
routine is executed.  The routine disables the Oranges button with SHOW 
GET and DISABLE.




CLEAR
STORE 2 TO fruit
@ 4,2 GET fruit PICTURE '@*R Apples;Oranges;Lemons' VALID noorange( )
READ CYCLE
FUNCTION noorange
SHOW GET fruit,2 DISABLE   Disables the second button
_CUROBJ = 1
RETURN .T.



PROMPT expC

You can replace the prompt for an individual push button, radio button 
or check box with another prompt by including PROMPT expC.  expC 
replaces the
original button or check box prompt.  You can also change the button or 
check box attributes (which determine whether the control is enabled or 
disabled, what
hot keys are assigned, and whether it is the default or Esc choice) by 
specifying the appropriate special characters with expC.  
SHOW GET is typically placed in a VALID routine for the check box, push 
button or radio button.   
In the following example, a check box is created.  When the check box is 
chosen, the VALID clause routine Newprompt is executed.  The routine 
changes the

check box prompt and the hot key.



CLEAR
STORE 1 TO check
@ 4,2 GET check FUNCTION '*C \Checked' SIZE 1,13 VALID NEWPROMPT( )
READ CYCLE
FUNCTION newprompt
IF check = 0
   SHOW GET check,1 PROMPT '\Unchecked'
ELSE
   SHOW GET check,1 PROMPT '\Checked'
ENDIF
RETURN .T.



In FoxPro for Windows and FoxPro for Macintosh, you can use PROMPT to 
specify picture files that are displayed on a picture check box, push 
button or radio
button when it is enabled, selected and disabled.  The PROMPT clause is 
ignored if picture files are specified in the PROMPT clause in FoxPro 
for MS-DOS.
In FoxPro for Windows, the picture file can be a bitmap file with a .BMP 
extension. In FoxPro for Macintosh, you can use a picture file of PICT 
type or a .BMP

bitmap file.
Include a set of up to three picture files separated by commas in 
expC.  The first picture file is displayed on the picture check box, 
push button or radio button
when it is enabled.  The second picture file is displayed when the 
picture check box, push button or radio button is selected.  The third 
picture file is 

Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

2012-11-16 Thread Alan Bourke


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 08:50 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:

 If I heard right (on LinkedIn iirc), Servoy might be a good choice given 
 your POV on how they charge.  No personal experience.

They have a free edition which is exactly the same as the paid one,
except it only allows a few concurrent connections. The recent project I
did was completed and installed and tested before I paid for any
licences.


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RE: VFP searching a web form

2012-11-16 Thread Dave Crozier
Mike,
The one thing to be careful of doing it my way is that the method uses the full 
IE DOM (Document Object Model) which isn't fully available in earlier versions 
of Internet Explorer. I think it was only IE8 and onwards when M$ exposed the 
FULL DOM model but I can't check here as we only use IE9.

Dave


-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Mike Copeland
Sent: 16 November 2012 09:20
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: VFP searching a web form

Thanks Dave. You've confirmed that I'm on the right track...I think I'm going 
to drop my reference to the object in the object reference.  
(Hmm, that's redundantly redundant!)

Mike


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: VFP searching a web form
From: Dave Crozier da...@flexipol.co.uk
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 1:26 AM

Mike, this is what I use to scrape pages. Assumes Windows 7 and IE 9

Dave


* Start Program
*
#define CR CHR(13)

clear

oIE = createobject( internetexplorer.application )

oIE.Visible = .t.
oIE.Silent = .F.

* oIE.Width = Sysmetric(1)
* oIE.Height = Sysmetric(2)
* oIE.Left=0
* oIE.Top=0

oIE.Navigate( http://www.microsoft.com; )
WaitForIE()


*!* for I=1 to 2
*!*   doevents
*!* endfor

loDoc = oIE.Document  get the Document object
*!* oRange = loDoc.body.createTextRange()
*!* if oRange.FindText(Business, 100)
*!* oRange.Select()
*!* endif

loForm = loDoc.forms(0)  get the first form object for i = 0 to 
loForm.Length-1
   ? i, loForm.Item(i).Name, loForm.Item(i).Value endfor

* Show the names of the forms:
x = Forms+Chr(13) ;
+=+Chr(13)
For lnForm = 0 to oIE.Document.forms.length - 1
x = x + TRANSFORM(lnForm) + :  + 
TRANSFORM(oIE.Document.forms(lnForm).name)
EndFor
x = x + CR

* Look at all of the objects.
* all(0) represents everything,
* 1-N are contained objects some of which are containers themselves,
* so the same thing may apear in different .all(x)'s x = x + All 
Objects:+Chr(13)++Chr(13)
For lnObj = 0 to oIE.Document.all.length - 1
loObj = oIE.Document.all( lnObj )
x = x + TRANSFORM(lnObj) + :  + TRANSFORM(Substr(loObj.innerhtml, 1, 
20))
x = x + TRANSFORM(loObj.TagName) + :  + TRANSFORM(loObj.innertext)

X=X+Chr(13)
endfor

STRTOFILE(loform.InnerHTML, WebResult.txt) MODIFY FILE WebResult.txt NOWAIT

return

PROCEDURE WaitForIE
   DO WHILE oIE.Busy() OR oIE.ReadyState  4
 DOEVENTS
   ENDDO
endproc
*
* End Program
**

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Re: [NF] Hotmail, Junk Mail Email Pull...

2012-11-16 Thread Man-wai Chang
You better be sure that a message was actually sent. Do you need us to
send your Hotmail account a test message? :)

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Kurt @ VR-FX v...@optonline.net wrote:
 When it took so long to receive the message - I had already been looking in
 the Junk folder -but, it never appeared there...
 I did one, and it claims to have sent me a msg to my Hotmail - but, I
 don't
 see it - not even in Junk. Was figuring I just needed to try Pulling
 the
 e-mail - like forcing it to Receive/Retrieve msgs. But, unlike Outlook 
 Thunderbird - I can't seem to find this Pull function.



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[NF] Small scanner for copying Passports IDs

2012-11-16 Thread Frank Cazabon

Hi,

I need to find a small footprint scanner that can handle scanning ID 
cards and Passports (nothing bigger than that) and saving this as an 
image file which I can automate from a VFP application.


The environment is mainly Windows XP workstations, but a couple are 
Windows 7.


Any recommendations?

--

Frank.

Frank Cazabon


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Re: [NF] Small scanner for copying Passports IDs

2012-11-16 Thread Kevin Cully
Perhaps the cheapest might be to build a station that uses a webcam to 
photograph the document.  A platform with a tempered piece of glass 
would help press down the passports or cards for the best results.


-Kevin


On 11/16/2012 08:48 AM, Frank Cazabon wrote:

Hi,

I need to find a small footprint scanner that can handle scanning ID 
cards and Passports (nothing bigger than that) and saving this as an 
image file which I can automate from a VFP application.


The environment is mainly Windows XP workstations, but a couple are 
Windows 7.


Any recommendations?




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Re: [NF] Small scanner for copying Passports IDs

2012-11-16 Thread Frank Cazabon
Thanks for the idea.  Price is not terribly important, but space (very 
limited) and quality of the scan are.  The web cam solution might be 
right size wise but I'm not sure of the quality.  How do you see the 
platform and glass working?


Frank.

Frank Cazabon

On 16/11/2012 10:36 AM, Kevin Cully wrote:
Perhaps the cheapest might be to build a station that uses a webcam to 
photograph the document.  A platform with a tempered piece of glass 
would help press down the passports or cards for the best results.


-Kevin


On 11/16/2012 08:48 AM, Frank Cazabon wrote:

Hi,

I need to find a small footprint scanner that can handle scanning ID 
cards and Passports (nothing bigger than that) and saving this as an 
image file which I can automate from a VFP application.


The environment is mainly Windows XP workstations, but a couple are 
Windows 7.


Any recommendations?





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Re: FoxDOS 2.6 Screen Set

2012-11-16 Thread Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox)
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Peter Cushing pcush...@whisperingsmith.com
 wrote:

 The last button, Lemons, is button three. The following program creates
 the same buttons as in ...
 ...routine is executed.  The routine disables the Oranges button with SHOW
 GET and DISABLE.

 CLEAR
 STORE 2 TO fruit
 @ 4,2 GET fruit PICTURE '@*R Apples;Oranges;Lemons' VALID noorange( )
 READ CYCLE
 FUNCTION noorange
 SHOW GET fruit,2 DISABLE   Disables the second button
 _CUROBJ = 1


Holy moley, this feels like cuneiform! Wow, that was a long time ago

Ken


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Re: FoxDOS 2.6 Screen Set

2012-11-16 Thread M Jarvis
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Dave Crozier da...@flexipol.co.uk wrote:
 ... and show get (no s on the end)  redisplays one object as opposed to the 
 whole screen

 Dave

Ouch ouch ouch that's painful to think about and/or remember.

One time I was doing a really intensive screen with oodles of @SAY/GET
action going on and users being users had to redesign and tweek it
over and over and over - it seemed endless... one time I woke up in
the middle of the night and all I could see was @SAY/GET text swirling
around in my head

Painful...

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Re: [NF] Small scanner for copying Passports IDs

2012-11-16 Thread Paul Hill
Hi Frank,

I have had a request in the past to support Passport Scanner plusktek
optic slim 550
No idea if it is any good.  We never did any work on this.

Regards,
Paul


On 16 November 2012 13:48, Frank Cazabon frank.caza...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I need to find a small footprint scanner that can handle scanning ID cards
 and Passports (nothing bigger than that) and saving this as an image file
 which I can automate from a VFP application.

 The environment is mainly Windows XP workstations, but a couple are
 Windows 7.

 Any recommendations?

 --

 Frank.

 Frank Cazabon



-- 
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Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

2012-11-16 Thread Kevin Cully


On 11/13/2012 11:16 AM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote:
What about the data.  Is it DBF's and/or DBC's like VFP? OR is it 
strictly that you tie into a server data source like MySql? Again - 
just curious - and trying to figure out what's involved...


RealSoftware just uploaded a video on accessing MySQL data from a 
RealBasic application.  This should give you a good idea on what it's 
like working with the IDE and working with data.  Make sure you full 
screen it so you can get a good look at the code.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiJpd6FwBcY


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Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

2012-11-16 Thread Alan Bourke


 On 11/13/2012 11:16 AM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote:
  What about the data.  Is it DBF's and/or DBC's like VFP?

I think the days of tools having their own proprietary databases are
well behind us, thankfully. 

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[NF] This desktop looks like a good deal...your thoughts?

2012-11-16 Thread Michael J. Babcock, MCP

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3906461CatId=2628

HP Compaq dc7900 Desktop PC - Intel Core 2 Duo 2.66GHz, 3GB DDR2, 500GB 
HDD, DVD-ROM, Windows 7 Professional 64-bit, Mouse  Keyboard (Off-Lease)



USD $259.99

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Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

2012-11-16 Thread Ed Leafe
On Nov 16, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Alan Bourke alanpbou...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 I think the days of tools having their own proprietary databases are
 well behind us, thankfully. 

+1


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Re: [NF] Adobe update forcing Chrome installation?

2012-11-16 Thread AndyHC

Ok thanks  - AndyD

On 16/11/2012 07:24, Mike Copeland wrote:

Never had any problem...uninstalls clean. Done it many times.

Mike

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [NF] Adobe update forcing Chrome installation?
From: AndyHC a...@hawthorncottage.com
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 12:49 AM
So that's how the sex mad b*stard's software got on my computer! The 
trouble is there are so many upgrades for Acrobat and Java in 
particular that it is very easy to just hit install.
Anyone know if there are any problems un-installing McAfee Security 
Scan Plus ?


  AndyD#

On 15/11/2012 22:22, Alan Bourke wrote:

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012, at 10:03 PM, M Jarvis wrote:

We've heard a couple reports from users

... who weren't paying attention on the Acrobat Reader download page,
and didn't un-tick the 'Yes, Install Google Chrome' option. It's the
same as the McAfee Security Scan Plus option which sometimes appears
instead, and which is also ticked by default in an underhand manner.


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Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

2012-11-16 Thread Kevin Cully
It's nice that RealBasic works with SQLite fairly seamlessly.  It makes 
it easy to create an in-memory database much like we have cursors in 
VFP.  Full SQL capability of SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE and DELETE is 
sweet.  (Dabo has had this capability for a long time as well.)


If by 'proprietary' you mean tied to a particular database, then I 
wholeheartedly agree.  People want freedom with their database choice 
and their ability to extend it.


Side note: Why do so many people choose Quickbooks with it's proprietary 
database and ridiculous licensing fees?



On 11/16/2012 11:02 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
I think the days of tools having their own proprietary databases are 
well behind us, thankfully.



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RE: [NF] This desktop looks like a good deal...your thoughts?

2012-11-16 Thread Jack Skelley
Michael:
Off lease...does that mean it has a zillion hours on it and it works for the 
time being? And has been refurbished? Warranty? I didn't see any mentioned on 
the site but I am sure there must be some...
Probably worth a shot for the money but I believe that 3GB RAM is too low for 
Win7 64x box.
Just my 2 cents
Jack


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http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3906461CatId=2628

HP Compaq dc7900 Desktop PC - Intel Core 2 Duo 2.66GHz, 3GB DDR2, 500GB
HDD, DVD-ROM, Windows 7 Professional 64-bit, Mouse  Keyboard (Off-Lease)


USD $259.99

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Re: VFP searching a web form

2012-11-16 Thread AndyHC
Or step deeper into the ms software onion and try xmlhttprequest  - 
you'll find far to much on the archives


  AndyD  8-)#

On 16/11/2012 10:51, Dave Crozier wrote:

Mike,
The one thing to be careful of doing it my way is that the method uses the full 
IE DOM (Document Object Model) which isn't fully available in earlier versions 
of Internet Explorer. I think it was only IE8 and onwards when M$ exposed the 
FULL DOM model but I can't check here as we only use IE9.

Dave



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RE: FoxDOS 2.6 Screen Set

2012-11-16 Thread Jack Skelley
I wrote for fun the classic Battleship game in FPW 2.6. The grids consisted of 
100 buttons for each side. One for the player and one for the computer. So 200 
grid buttons was on pile of code to wade through with show get and the object. 
The only saving grace in all of this was the variables defined for the grid 
buttons were subscripted so all I need to do was pass the row/column address to 
the function to determine a hit or miss and if a hit show the bitmap to the 
ship (aircraft carrier, battleship, etc.) and then show the get. Plus it also 
played a WAV file to hear a splash for a miss or an explosion for a hit.
Then there where the other controls on the screen like: resign, load ships, etc.
I wish I could show you a screen shot of this 'masterpiece' but it does not run 
in Win7 Pro 64x...and my XP boxes have been put away...
In my 'spare time' I should write all of this for VFP9...
Jack




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On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:07 AM, M Jarvis brewda...@gmail.com wrote:

 ... one time I woke up in
 the middle of the night and all I could see was @SAY/GET text swirling
 around in my head


Been there. Sometimes in the intense period of a project this happens to
me. I call the episodes brain storms -- language constructs, variable
names, function names storm through my head unstoppably. Half dreaming,
half awake, all bizarre.

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Re: [NF] This desktop looks like a good deal...your thoughts?

2012-11-16 Thread Michael Oke, II
Off lease usually means refurbed. 3gb should be okay for running XP64 and that 
isn't a half bad box for the price. 


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 Michael:
 Off lease...does that mean it has a zillion hours on it and it works for the 
 time being? And has been refurbished? Warranty? I didn't see any mentioned on 
 the site but I am sure there must be some...
 Probably worth a shot for the money but I believe that 3GB RAM is too low for 
 Win7 64x box.
 Just my 2 cents
 Jack
 
 
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 Subject: [NF] This desktop looks like a good deal...your thoughts?
 
 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3906461CatId=2628
 
 HP Compaq dc7900 Desktop PC - Intel Core 2 Duo 2.66GHz, 3GB DDR2, 500GB
 HDD, DVD-ROM, Windows 7 Professional 64-bit, Mouse  Keyboard (Off-Lease)
 
 
 USD $259.99
 
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Re: [NF] This desktop looks like a good deal...your thoughts?

2012-11-16 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
On Fri, November 16, 2012 11:32 am, Michael Oke, II wrote:
 Off lease usually means refurbed. 3gb should be okay for running XP64 and
 that isn't a half bad box for the price.


Add the 2yr warranty for abour $80 extra.  I'm considering it!


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Re: [NF] This desktop looks like a good deal...your thoughts?

2012-11-16 Thread Mike Copeland
I kind of gagged on that first part...the HP Compaq part. Other than 
that...


Mike

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Subject: [NF] This desktop looks like a good deal...your thoughts?
From: Michael J. Babcock, MCP mbabc...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 10:02 AM
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3906461CatId=2628 



HP Compaq dc7900 Desktop PC - Intel Core 2 Duo 2.66GHz, 3GB DDR2, 500GB 
HDD, DVD-ROM, Windows 7 Professional 64-bit, Mouse  Keyboard (Off-Lease)



USD $259.99



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Re: [NF] SATA Drive a Dead PC...

2012-11-16 Thread Michael Oke, II
I've had pretty good results with the deep freeze procedure. Drive rarely lives 
long but long enough to grab the necessary data. 


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 ...and then there's the deep-freeze approach, and don't forget the 
 swimin-wit-da-fishes method.
 
 Of course, we are into some pretty extreme solutions here that produce rare 
 results! But when it works, it's sweet!
 
 Mike
 
  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive  a Dead PC...
 From: John Weller j...@johnweller.co.uk
 To: profoxt...@leafe.com
 Date: 11/16/2012 2:56 AM
 
 That is (was?) a well-known technique referred to as 'percussion adjustment'
 :-)
 
 John Weller
 01380 723235
 07976 393631
 
 My father would sometimes give non-responsive radios a fair wack by
 
 lifting
 
 and then giving it a not so gentle slam against the table.  The darn thing
 would then work after plugging it in.  As a small child I thought it was
 
 magic...
 
 Maybe you wan'a try that!!! :) LOL
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Re: [NF] SATA Drive a Dead PC...

2012-11-16 Thread M Jarvis
 On Nov 16, 2012, at 1:18 AM, Mike Copeland m...@ggisoft.com wrote:

 Of course, we are into some pretty extreme solutions here that produce 
 rare results! But when it works, it's sweet!

 Mike

... and as a last ditch effort, you could slaughter a goat and lay it
on a flat rock pointing North during the next rise of a full moon

Okay okay, so that one didn't work, but by then I was fed up and drunk
enough to not give a crap anymore...  g

Happy Friday...

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Re: [NF] This desktop looks like a good deal...your thoughts?

2012-11-16 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC

On 11/16/2012 12:18 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:

I kind of gagged on that first part...the HP Compaq part. Other than
that...



Yeah, I've NEVER been a fan of HP or Compaq or both, but recent reviews 
are saying they're pretty good (now).



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Re: VFP searching a web form

2012-11-16 Thread Mike Copeland
I may be wrong, but my understanding is that the IE exposed by the Fox 
toolkit is, essentially, whatever IE is installed on your system at the 
time. In other words, if you have upgraded IE to 8, or 9 or still at 6, 
then when you instantiate IE from VFP, you get an instance of that 
version of IE.


Yes? No? Anyone know definitively? Bueler? Bueler? Bueler?

Mike

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Subject: Re: VFP searching a web form
From: Dave Crozier da...@flexipol.co.uk
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 4:51 AM

Mike,
The one thing to be careful of doing it my way is that the method uses the full 
IE DOM (Document Object Model) which isn't fully available in earlier versions 
of Internet Explorer. I think it was only IE8 and onwards when M$ exposed the 
FULL DOM model but I can't check here as we only use IE9.

Dave


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Sent: 16 November 2012 09:20
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: VFP searching a web form

Thanks Dave. You've confirmed that I'm on the right track...I think I'm going to drop my 
reference to the object in the object reference.
(Hmm, that's redundantly redundant!)

Mike


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Subject: Re: VFP searching a web form
From: Dave Crozier da...@flexipol.co.uk
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 1:26 AM

Mike, this is what I use to scrape pages. Assumes Windows 7 and IE 9

Dave


* Start Program
*
#define CR CHR(13)

clear

oIE = createobject( internetexplorer.application )

oIE.Visible = .t.
oIE.Silent = .F.

* oIE.Width = Sysmetric(1)
* oIE.Height = Sysmetric(2)
* oIE.Left=0
* oIE.Top=0

oIE.Navigate( http://www.microsoft.com; )
WaitForIE()


*!* for I=1 to 2
*!*   doevents
*!* endfor

loDoc = oIE.Document  get the Document object
*!* oRange = loDoc.body.createTextRange()
*!* if oRange.FindText(Business, 100)
*!* oRange.Select()
*!* endif

loForm = loDoc.forms(0)  get the first form object for i = 0 to 
loForm.Length-1
   ? i, loForm.Item(i).Name, loForm.Item(i).Value endfor

* Show the names of the forms:
x = Forms+Chr(13) ;
+=+Chr(13)
For lnForm = 0 to oIE.Document.forms.length - 1
x = x + TRANSFORM(lnForm) + :  + 
TRANSFORM(oIE.Document.forms(lnForm).name)
EndFor
x = x + CR

* Look at all of the objects.
* all(0) represents everything,
* 1-N are contained objects some of which are containers themselves,
* so the same thing may apear in different .all(x)'s x = x + All 
Objects:+Chr(13)++Chr(13)
For lnObj = 0 to oIE.Document.all.length - 1
loObj = oIE.Document.all( lnObj )
x = x + TRANSFORM(lnObj) + :  + TRANSFORM(Substr(loObj.innerhtml, 1, 
20))
x = x + TRANSFORM(loObj.TagName) + :  + TRANSFORM(loObj.innertext)

X=X+Chr(13)
endfor

STRTOFILE(loform.InnerHTML, WebResult.txt) MODIFY FILE WebResult.txt NOWAIT

return

PROCEDURE WaitForIE
   DO WHILE oIE.Busy() OR oIE.ReadyState  4
 DOEVENTS
   ENDDO
endproc
*
* End Program
**

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Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

2012-11-16 Thread Mike Copeland

Quickbooks = momentum

Say what you want about Intuit's products, the marketing was innovative 
and genius at the time. They practically gave away Quicken...it worked 
well enough...they were constantly updating (which equated to presence 
and top of mind market share)...and they developed a nationwide network 
of local peeps that will hold your hand if you get the jitters and they 
enlisted accounting firms in the effort to earn credibility.


Quicken/Quickbooks was also groundbreaking in not forcing you to post 
and close accounting periodsI still remember seeing accountants 
eyes bulge out when they discovered that you actually could go back to a 
prior, closed accounting period and *gasp!* CHANGE something!!! 
Oh...mygodit was the end of the world in Bean land.


Intuit's technology sucks, but Quickbooks is also a great example of a 
product completely defining and controlling a software segment. THAT 
takes skill! Especially the controlling part for any period of time.


I don't care for Quickbooks/Quicken either, but I respect what Intuit 
has accomplished.


Mike

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Subject: Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
From: Kevin Cully kcu...@cullytechnologies.com
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 10:12 AM
It's nice that RealBasic works with SQLite fairly seamlessly.  It makes 
it easy to create an in-memory database much like we have cursors in 
VFP.  Full SQL capability of SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE and DELETE is 
sweet.  (Dabo has had this capability for a long time as well.)


If by 'proprietary' you mean tied to a particular database, then I 
wholeheartedly agree.  People want freedom with their database choice 
and their ability to extend it.


Side note: Why do so many people choose Quickbooks with it's proprietary 
database and ridiculous licensing fees?



On 11/16/2012 11:02 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
I think the days of tools having their own proprietary databases are 
well behind us, thankfully.



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Re: [NF] This desktop looks like a good deal...your thoughts?

2012-11-16 Thread Mike Copeland
Actually, it's not the product that gives me the heebie jeebies...it's 
remembering calling the HP tech support when smoke came out of (several) 
printer(s) under warranty. The last time I spent a few hours conversing 
with them, the guy told me he was in Mexico.


Oh, and then there was that Compaq desktop system I bought back in the 
early 90's.


My son used to live a couple of miles from where Compaq started, just 
outside Houston. The parents of several of his high-school friends 
worked at Compaq. I always thought they were spiffykeeno, until I had 
hardware problems out of warranty and discovered that if it ain't 
proprietary, it don't go in there. I've never had much respect for 
hardware companies that bent over backwards to make sure you had to buy 
replacement parts (out of warranty) from them. Dunno if they still 
do...wouldn't surprise me.


Mike


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Subject: Re: [NF] This desktop looks like a good deal...your thoughts?
From: MB Software Solutions, LLC 
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com

To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 11:35 AM
On 11/16/2012 12:18 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:

I kind of gagged on that first part...the HP Compaq part. Other than
that...



Yeah, I've NEVER been a fan of HP or Compaq or both, but recent reviews 
are saying they're pretty good (now).





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Re: VFP searching a web form

2012-11-16 Thread Mike Copeland
So, instead of trying to search in the content, copy the content to a 
memvar and then search that? Not a bad idea...


It may cause a bit of a performance hit as the HTML file being searched 
is around 5MB, but I'll give that a try.


Thanks!

Mike

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Subject: Re: VFP searching a web form
From: AndyHC a...@hawthorncottage.com
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 10:22 AM
Or step deeper into the ms software onion and try xmlhttprequest  - 
you'll find far to much on the archives


  AndyD  8-)#

On 16/11/2012 10:51, Dave Crozier wrote:

Mike,
The one thing to be careful of doing it my way is that the method uses 
the full IE DOM (Document Object Model) which isn't fully available in 
earlier versions of Internet Explorer. I think it was only IE8 and 
onwards when M$ exposed the FULL DOM model but I can't check here as 
we only use IE9.


Dave



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Re: VFP searching a web form

2012-11-16 Thread M Jarvis
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Mike Copeland m...@ggisoft.com wrote:
 So, instead of trying to search in the content, copy the content to a memvar
 and then search that? Not a bad idea...

 It may cause a bit of a performance hit as the HTML file being searched is
 around 5MB, but I'll give that a try.


Actually I'm kinda surprised you weren't doing it that way all along...

Suck the HTML into a memvar, check for the existence of your search
term in the string, if it's in there, THEN do your processing. No
sense ratcheting through it if what you're looking for ain't even
there...

I used to work at a place that was all proud of this search utility
they wrote that would go through line by line of their SCX's, PJT's,
etc etc etc looking for a string... took something like 20 minutes...

I got bored one day and rewrote it so it just sucked each file in its'
entirety into a memvar, checked it, then went through line by line if
it was found... mine ran in about 15 seconds when there weren't any
hits, vs 20 otherwise...

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Re: VFP searching a web form

2012-11-16 Thread Mike Copeland

HeyI'mslow.

I kind of like that IE bookmark thing, find first occurrence, show it, 
search again takes you to the next occurrence, and search again...  Also 
the highlighting of the found text string. It's one thing to find the 
info, I have to show it to the end user...in context.


The end users love the way it works...except when it barfs due to the 
random body object not found. (Reminds me of a previous marriage...)


Mike


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Subject: Re: VFP searching a web form
From: M Jarvis brewda...@gmail.com
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 12:25 PM

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Mike Copeland m...@ggisoft.com wrote:


So, instead of trying to search in the content, copy the content to a memvar
and then search that? Not a bad idea...

It may cause a bit of a performance hit as the HTML file being searched is
around 5MB, but I'll give that a try.


Actually I'm kinda surprised you weren't doing it that way all along...

Suck the HTML into a memvar, check for the existence of your search
term in the string, if it's in there, THEN do your processing. No
sense ratcheting through it if what you're looking for ain't even
there...

I used to work at a place that was all proud of this search utility
they wrote that would go through line by line of their SCX's, PJT's,
etc etc etc looking for a string... took something like 20 minutes...

I got bored one day and rewrote it so it just sucked each file in its'
entirety into a memvar, checked it, then went through line by line if
it was found... mine ran in about 15 seconds when there weren't any
hits, vs 20 otherwise...



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[OT] Hostess union shoots self in foot.

2012-11-16 Thread Pete Theisen

Hi Everybody,

http://nation.foxnews.com/hostess/2012/11/16/end-hostess-we-know-it

Failing to persuade striking employees to return to work, Hostess 
Brands disclosed plans on Friday to liquidate its assets and lay off 
most of its 18,500 workers, bringing the 82-year-old maker of Wonder 
Bread and Twinkies to the end of its line.


Founded in 1930, Hostess owns a slew of well-known brands, including 
Drakes, Dolly Madison, Twinkies, Ding Dongs, Ho Ho’s and Wonder.

--
Regards,

Pete
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Re: [NF] This desktop looks like a good deal...your thoughts?

2012-11-16 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC

On 11/16/2012 1:13 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:

Actually, it's not the product that gives me the heebie jeebies...it's
remembering calling the HP tech support when smoke came out of (several)
printer(s) under warranty. The last time I spent a few hours conversing
with them, the guy told me he was in Mexico.

Oh, and then there was that Compaq desktop system I bought back in the
early 90's.

My son used to live a couple of miles from where Compaq started, just
outside Houston. The parents of several of his high-school friends
worked at Compaq. I always thought they were spiffykeeno, until I had
hardware problems out of warranty and discovered that if it ain't
proprietary, it don't go in there. I've never had much respect for
hardware companies that bent over backwards to make sure you had to buy
replacement parts (out of warranty) from them. Dunno if they still
do...wouldn't surprise me.



I guess I would trace my hatred of them back to the 90s, and although I 
think Carly Fiorina should rot in hell, it's not fair to hold her bs 
comments against HP/Compaq.  After all, Walter Hewlett hated her too and 
wanted her fired (which eventually she was).  My dad had a HP desktop 
back in the 90s iirc and it wasn't so great.  But...the reviews I've 
been reading lately make me think that perhaps the quality has improved.



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Re: VFP searching a web form

2012-11-16 Thread Mike Copeland
Thanks Tracy. I think both removing my object reference, and testing 
the BODY for being an object may be of help. Thanks for the input and 
validation that I'm on the right track.


Mike

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: VFP searching a web form
From: Tracy Pearson tr...@powerchurch.com
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/15/2012 1:23 PM

Mike Copeland wrote on 2012-11-15:


  I've got a nagging problem that I've beat my head against for
  years...maybe the collective brain of ProFox will provide the a clue to
  a solution.
  
  I have a form that contains an instance of the IE OLE Control

  (_webbrowser4 from the _webview.vcx library). Nothing odd, just a simple
  form and a Shell.Explorer.2 OleClass on it, named web.
  


Mike,

You have this:
DO WHILE (Thisform.web.OBJECT.Busy OR Thisform.web.OBJECT.ReadyState 
4) AND (SECONDS() - lnSeconds)  30
 DOEVENTS
ENDDO

This is how I prevented it:

DO WHILE THISFORM.oIE.Busy OR TYPE(THISFORM.oIE.Document.Body)  O
   DOEVENTS
   =INKEY(.1)
ENDDO

Tracy Pearson
PowerChurch Software


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Re: [NF] This desktop looks like a good deal...your thoughts?

2012-11-16 Thread Kurt @ VR-FX
The price also looked pretty good to me. There was a recent article in 
the NY Times Bus. Sec. all about HP - and you should check it out!


-K-


On 11/16/2012 12:35 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:

On 11/16/2012 12:18 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:

I kind of gagged on that first part...the HP Compaq part. Other than
that...



Yeah, I've NEVER been a fan of HP or Compaq or both, but recent 
reviews are saying they're pretty good (now).






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Re: [NF] This desktop looks like a good deal...your thoughts?

2012-11-16 Thread Kurt @ VR-FX
I think it HAS! A 3D CG buddy of mine has a Massive Brick of a laptop - 
an HP - and he swears by it!


-K-


On 11/16/2012 2:21 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:

On 11/16/2012 1:13 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:

Actually, it's not the product that gives me the heebie jeebies...it's
remembering calling the HP tech support when smoke came out of (several)
printer(s) under warranty. The last time I spent a few hours conversing
with them, the guy told me he was in Mexico.

Oh, and then there was that Compaq desktop system I bought back in the
early 90's.

My son used to live a couple of miles from where Compaq started, just
outside Houston. The parents of several of his high-school friends
worked at Compaq. I always thought they were spiffykeeno, until I had
hardware problems out of warranty and discovered that if it ain't
proprietary, it don't go in there. I've never had much respect for
hardware companies that bent over backwards to make sure you had to buy
replacement parts (out of warranty) from them. Dunno if they still
do...wouldn't surprise me.



I guess I would trace my hatred of them back to the 90s, and although 
I think Carly Fiorina should rot in hell, it's not fair to hold her bs 
comments against HP/Compaq.  After all, Walter Hewlett hated her too 
and wanted her fired (which eventually she was).  My dad had a HP 
desktop back in the 90s iirc and it wasn't so great.  But...the 
reviews I've been reading lately make me think that perhaps the 
quality has improved.




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Re: FoxDOS 2.6 Screen Set

2012-11-16 Thread Rafael Copquin

In my 'spare time' I should write all of this for VFP9...
Jack



In my spare time I 'd rather read a good action novel:-)

That certainly clears my mind from all that code I churn day after day, 
week after week


Have a good weekend

Rafael Copquin


El 16/11/2012 01:25 p.m., Jack Skelley escribió:

I wrote for fun the classic Battleship game in FPW 2.6. The grids consisted of 
100 buttons for each side. One for the player and one for the computer. So 200 
grid buttons was on pile of code to wade through with show get and the object. 
The only saving grace in all of this was the variables defined for the grid 
buttons were subscripted so all I need to do was pass the row/column address to 
the function to determine a hit or miss and if a hit show the bitmap to the 
ship (aircraft carrier, battleship, etc.) and then show the get. Plus it also 
played a WAV file to hear a splash for a miss or an explosion for a hit.
Then there where the other controls on the screen like: resign, load ships, etc.
I wish I could show you a screen shot of this 'masterpiece' but it does not run 
in Win7 Pro 64x...and my XP boxes have been put away...
In my 'spare time' I should write all of this for VFP9...
Jack




Jack Skelley
Senior Director, Programming/Computer Operations
New Jersey Devils
(973)757-6164
jskel...@newjerseydevils.com 
From: ProfoxTech [profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] on behalf of Ken Kixmoeller 
(ProFox) [foxh...@information-architecture.com]
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 10:56 AM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: FoxDOS 2.6 Screen Set

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:07 AM, M Jarvis brewda...@gmail.com wrote:


... one time I woke up in
the middle of the night and all I could see was @SAY/GET text swirling
around in my head


Been there. Sometimes in the intense period of a project this happens to
me. I call the episodes brain storms -- language constructs, variable
names, function names storm through my head unstoppably. Half dreaming,
half awake, all bizarre.

Ken


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[NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface))

2012-11-16 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC

On 11/16/2012 1:06 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:

Quickbooks = momentum

Say what you want about Intuit's products, the marketing was innovative
and genius at the time. They practically gave away Quicken...it worked
well enough...they were constantly updating (which equated to presence
and top of mind market share)...and they developed a nationwide network
of local peeps that will hold your hand if you get the jitters and they
enlisted accounting firms in the effort to earn credibility.

Quicken/Quickbooks was also groundbreaking in not forcing you to post
and close accounting periodsI still remember seeing accountants
eyes bulge out when they discovered that you actually could go back to a
prior, closed accounting period and *gasp!* CHANGE something!!!
Oh...mygodit was the end of the world in Bean land.

Intuit's technology sucks, but Quickbooks is also a great example of a
product completely defining and controlling a software segment. THAT
takes skill! Especially the controlling part for any period of time.

I don't care for Quickbooks/Quicken either, but I respect what Intuit
has accomplished.



Peachtree Accounting Software was supposed to be very good and appease 
the accountants moreso (probably because of that part about closed 
periods).  This is another example of how marketing and its big-$ spend 
can really take an arguably inferior product and make it #1.  History is 
littered with easy examples of such.  Excel over Lotus 1-2-3 comes to 
mind first.  VB6/Access over VFP is another.  More?



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Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface))

2012-11-16 Thread Mike Copeland

You nailed the nose on the hammer!

windoze over...pretty much anything.

Mike

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Subject: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP 
Metro Interface))
From: MB Software Solutions, LLC 
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com

To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 1:52 PM
On 11/16/2012 1:06 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:

Quickbooks = momentum

Say what you want about Intuit's products, the marketing was innovative
and genius at the time. They practically gave away Quicken...it worked
well enough...they were constantly updating (which equated to presence
and top of mind market share)...and they developed a nationwide network
of local peeps that will hold your hand if you get the jitters and they
enlisted accounting firms in the effort to earn credibility.

Quicken/Quickbooks was also groundbreaking in not forcing you to post
and close accounting periodsI still remember seeing accountants
eyes bulge out when they discovered that you actually could go back to a
prior, closed accounting period and *gasp!* CHANGE something!!!
Oh...mygodit was the end of the world in Bean land.

Intuit's technology sucks, but Quickbooks is also a great example of a
product completely defining and controlling a software segment. THAT
takes skill! Especially the controlling part for any period of time.

I don't care for Quickbooks/Quicken either, but I respect what Intuit
has accomplished.



Peachtree Accounting Software was supposed to be very good and appease 
the accountants moreso (probably because of that part about closed 
periods).  This is another example of how marketing and its big-$ spend 
can really take an arguably inferior product and make it #1.  History is 
littered with easy examples of such.  Excel over Lotus 1-2-3 comes to 
mind first.  VB6/Access over VFP is another. More?





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Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface))

2012-11-16 Thread Kurt @ VR-FX
Wow - now a SECOND Change to an Email Thread name! Isn't that Thread 
HiJackin? Dang...


Mike - to answer your Q. I heard that actually Beta was better than VHS 
- but, VHS won. Although, I know - its not SW - so maybe this is bad 
example!


How about ME as a programmer at my Last job - as this Other guy named 
Mai. He was Incompetent - as my Boss claimed he was - and the Tech 
Support guys HATED to work with him - because he was Incompetent - but, 
alas, when it came time to make Cutbacks - I get laid off (not fired) - 
and he gets to Keep his Stinky Job - even though he Stinks at it!


/Rant-Mode-Off

...OK - at least that was a little bit closer to the SW topic. Right?

:-)
-K-


On 11/16/2012 2:52 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:

On 11/16/2012 1:06 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:

Quickbooks = momentum

Say what you want about Intuit's products, the marketing was innovative
and genius at the time. They practically gave away Quicken...it worked
well enough...they were constantly updating (which equated to presence
and top of mind market share)...and they developed a nationwide network
of local peeps that will hold your hand if you get the jitters and they
enlisted accounting firms in the effort to earn credibility.

Quicken/Quickbooks was also groundbreaking in not forcing you to post
and close accounting periodsI still remember seeing accountants
eyes bulge out when they discovered that you actually could go back to a
prior, closed accounting period and *gasp!* CHANGE something!!!
Oh...mygodit was the end of the world in Bean land.

Intuit's technology sucks, but Quickbooks is also a great example of a
product completely defining and controlling a software segment. THAT
takes skill! Especially the controlling part for any period of time.

I don't care for Quickbooks/Quicken either, but I respect what Intuit
has accomplished.



Peachtree Accounting Software was supposed to be very good and appease 
the accountants moreso (probably because of that part about closed 
periods).  This is another example of how marketing and its big-$ 
spend can really take an arguably inferior product and make it #1.  
History is littered with easy examples of such. Excel over Lotus 1-2-3 
comes to mind first.  VB6/Access over VFP is another.  More?






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Re: [NF] This desktop looks like a good deal...your thoughts?

2012-11-16 Thread Michael Oke, II
Minus the gaming computer that my son is working on and the apple products, 
everything in my house and office is HP and we get on well with them. 


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On Nov 16, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Kurt @ VR-FX v...@optonline.net wrote:

 I think it HAS! A 3D CG buddy of mine has a Massive Brick of a laptop - an HP 
 - and he swears by it!
 
 -K-
 
 
 On 11/16/2012 2:21 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
 On 11/16/2012 1:13 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:
 Actually, it's not the product that gives me the heebie jeebies...it's
 remembering calling the HP tech support when smoke came out of (several)
 printer(s) under warranty. The last time I spent a few hours conversing
 with them, the guy told me he was in Mexico.
 
 Oh, and then there was that Compaq desktop system I bought back in the
 early 90's.
 
 My son used to live a couple of miles from where Compaq started, just
 outside Houston. The parents of several of his high-school friends
 worked at Compaq. I always thought they were spiffykeeno, until I had
 hardware problems out of warranty and discovered that if it ain't
 proprietary, it don't go in there. I've never had much respect for
 hardware companies that bent over backwards to make sure you had to buy
 replacement parts (out of warranty) from them. Dunno if they still
 do...wouldn't surprise me.
 
 
 I guess I would trace my hatred of them back to the 90s, and although I 
 think Carly Fiorina should rot in hell, it's not fair to hold her bs 
 comments against HP/Compaq.  After all, Walter Hewlett hated her too and 
 wanted her fired (which eventually she was).  My dad had a HP desktop back 
 in the 90s iirc and it wasn't so great.  But...the reviews I've been reading 
 lately make me think that perhaps the quality has improved.
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Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

2012-11-16 Thread Kurt @ VR-FX
Hey Kevin - thanks for this - mucho appreciated! Am going to look at in 
a couple of moments...


-K-


On 11/16/2012 10:46 AM, Kevin Cully wrote:


On 11/13/2012 11:16 AM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote:
What about the data.  Is it DBF's and/or DBC's like VFP? OR is it 
strictly that you tie into a server data source like MySql? Again - 
just curious - and trying to figure out what's involved...


RealSoftware just uploaded a video on accessing MySQL data from a 
RealBasic application.  This should give you a good idea on what it's 
like working with the IDE and working with data.  Make sure you full 
screen it so you can get a good look at the code.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiJpd6FwBcY


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Re: BETA vs VHS (was Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)))

2012-11-16 Thread Mike Copeland
Beta was technically superior. Vastly so. Then that digital stuff came 
along and analog tape recording went bye bye.


Mike


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: 
VFP Metro Interface))

From: Kurt @ VR-FX v...@optonline.net
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 2:11 PM
Wow - now a SECOND Change to an Email Thread name! Isn't that Thread 
HiJackin? Dang...


Mike - to answer your Q. I heard that actually Beta was better than VHS 
- but, VHS won. Although, I know - its not SW - so maybe this is bad 
example!


How about ME as a programmer at my Last job - as this Other guy named 
Mai. He was Incompetent - as my Boss claimed he was - and the Tech 
Support guys HATED to work with him - because he was Incompetent - but, 
alas, when it came time to make Cutbacks - I get laid off (not fired) - 
and he gets to Keep his Stinky Job - even though he Stinks at it!


/Rant-Mode-Off

...OK - at least that was a little bit closer to the SW topic. Right?

:-)
-K-


On 11/16/2012 2:52 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:

On 11/16/2012 1:06 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:

Quickbooks = momentum

Say what you want about Intuit's products, the marketing was innovative
and genius at the time. They practically gave away Quicken...it worked
well enough...they were constantly updating (which equated to presence
and top of mind market share)...and they developed a nationwide network
of local peeps that will hold your hand if you get the jitters and they
enlisted accounting firms in the effort to earn credibility.

Quicken/Quickbooks was also groundbreaking in not forcing you to post
and close accounting periodsI still remember seeing accountants
eyes bulge out when they discovered that you actually could go back to a
prior, closed accounting period and *gasp!* CHANGE something!!!
Oh...mygodit was the end of the world in Bean land.

Intuit's technology sucks, but Quickbooks is also a great example of a
product completely defining and controlling a software segment. THAT
takes skill! Especially the controlling part for any period of time.

I don't care for Quickbooks/Quicken either, but I respect what Intuit
has accomplished.



Peachtree Accounting Software was supposed to be very good and appease 
the accountants moreso (probably because of that part about closed 
periods).  This is another example of how marketing and its big-$ 
spend can really take an arguably inferior product and make it #1.  
History is littered with easy examples of such. Excel over Lotus 1-2-3 
comes to mind first.  VB6/Access over VFP is another.  More?






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Re: [PHISHING] - Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over possible Rice nomination - Message is a scam email phishing

2012-11-16 Thread Nicholas Geti
If you have good information and a mind, you can rule circumstances more 
effectively --- Nicholas Geti



- Original Message - 
From: lelandj lela...@mail.smvfp.com

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Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [PHISHING] - Re: [OT] Republican senators set up showdown over 
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On 11/15/2012 06:25 PM, Nicholas Geti wrote:
It hardly matters what name you give to the attacking group. They were 
organized thugs and our government should have set up a strong defensive 
position when it is well known how dangerous that place is.


If you would kindly tell me where the next terrorist attack will occur, 
I'd be happy to pass that along, so the Obama Administration can fortify 
the position.  LOL


Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. -- Herodotus

Regards,

LelandJ


Nicholas Geti

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On 11/15/2012 03:29 PM, Adam Buckland wrote:
It's like Switzerland... everyone has a weapon... they've just been 
through a civil war everyones got an AK47... my business partner in 
Istanbul has an AK47 under his bed... they are everywhere .. 
everywhere... but saying that it does look like if it was a 
spontaneous protest there was a serious level of planning parallel to 
it to attack the Embassy.


Yes, I agree the attack appears to have been planned, but to what end, 
and who directed the attack?  Al Quada does not seem to be behind it.


Regards,

LelandJ




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Re: BETA vs VHS (was Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)))

2012-11-16 Thread Kurt @ VR-FX
Tell me about it - the Oxides drop off is TERRIBLE - so, VHS Tapes from 
5 t 10 years ago, and those even farther back - are almost Un-viewable! 
Time to convert them ALL to DVD - before the content degrades to 
completely unusable.


-K-


On 11/16/2012 3:17 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:
Beta was technically superior. Vastly so. Then that digital stuff came 
along and analog tape recording went bye bye.


Mike


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was 
Re: VFP Metro Interface))

From: Kurt @ VR-FX v...@optonline.net
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 2:11 PM
Wow - now a SECOND Change to an Email Thread name! Isn't that Thread 
HiJackin? Dang...


Mike - to answer your Q. I heard that actually Beta was better than 
VHS - but, VHS won. Although, I know - its not SW - so maybe this is 
bad example!


How about ME as a programmer at my Last job - as this Other guy named 
Mai. He was Incompetent - as my Boss claimed he was - and the Tech 
Support guys HATED to work with him - because he was Incompetent - 
but, alas, when it came time to make Cutbacks - I get laid off (not 
fired) - and he gets to Keep his Stinky Job - even though he Stinks at 
it!


/Rant-Mode-Off

...OK - at least that was a little bit closer to the SW topic. Right?

:-)
-K-


On 11/16/2012 2:52 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:

On 11/16/2012 1:06 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:

Quickbooks = momentum

Say what you want about Intuit's products, the marketing was innovative
and genius at the time. They practically gave away Quicken...it worked
well enough...they were constantly updating (which equated to presence
and top of mind market share)...and they developed a nationwide network
of local peeps that will hold your hand if you get the jitters and they
enlisted accounting firms in the effort to earn credibility.

Quicken/Quickbooks was also groundbreaking in not forcing you to post
and close accounting periodsI still remember seeing accountants
eyes bulge out when they discovered that you actually could go back 
to a

prior, closed accounting period and *gasp!* CHANGE something!!!
Oh...mygodit was the end of the world in Bean land.

Intuit's technology sucks, but Quickbooks is also a great example of a
product completely defining and controlling a software segment. THAT
takes skill! Especially the controlling part for any period of time.

I don't care for Quickbooks/Quicken either, but I respect what Intuit
has accomplished.



Peachtree Accounting Software was supposed to be very good and 
appease the accountants moreso (probably because of that part about 
closed periods).  This is another example of how marketing and its 
big-$ spend can really take an arguably inferior product and make it 
#1.  History is littered with easy examples of such. Excel over Lotus 
1-2-3 comes to mind first.  VB6/Access over VFP is another.  More?







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RE: FoxDOS 2.6 Screen Set

2012-11-16 Thread Jack Skelley
In my spare time I would rather have a fly rod in my hand chasing Atlantic 
Salmon! 
But that doesn't happen but a few times a year now. But when it does the 
furthest thing from my mind is computer stuff...
This weekend is the largest get together of fly tyers in the world and it 
happens in New Jersey! This year I have been invited as a tyer of salmon flies. 
This is the equivalent of making the all-star team in professional baseball. So 
this is exciting for me to get this invitation. Checkout 
http://internationalflytyingsymposium.com/celebritiesandtiers.html and you 
should see my name.
Have a great weekend as well.
Jack


From: ProfoxTech [profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] on behalf of Rafael Copquin 
[rcopq...@fibertel.com.ar]
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 2:44 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: FoxDOS 2.6 Screen Set

In my 'spare time' I should write all of this for VFP9...
Jack


In my spare time I 'd rather read a good action novel:-)

That certainly clears my mind from all that code I churn day after day,
week after week

Have a good weekend

Rafael Copquin


El 16/11/2012 01:25 p.m., Jack Skelley escribió:
 I wrote for fun the classic Battleship game in FPW 2.6. The grids consisted 
 of 100 buttons for each side. One for the player and one for the computer. So 
 200 grid buttons was on pile of code to wade through with show get and the 
 object. The only saving grace in all of this was the variables defined for 
 the grid buttons were subscripted so all I need to do was pass the row/column 
 address to the function to determine a hit or miss and if a hit show the 
 bitmap to the ship (aircraft carrier, battleship, etc.) and then show the 
 get. Plus it also played a WAV file to hear a splash for a miss or an 
 explosion for a hit.
 Then there where the other controls on the screen like: resign, load ships, 
 etc.
 I wish I could show you a screen shot of this 'masterpiece' but it does not 
 run in Win7 Pro 64x...and my XP boxes have been put away...
 In my 'spare time' I should write all of this for VFP9...
 Jack




 Jack Skelley
 Senior Director, Programming/Computer Operations
 New Jersey Devils
 (973)757-6164
 jskel...@newjerseydevils.com 
 From: ProfoxTech [profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] on behalf of Ken Kixmoeller 
 (ProFox) [foxh...@information-architecture.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 10:56 AM
 To: profoxt...@leafe.com
 Subject: Re: FoxDOS 2.6 Screen Set

 On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:07 AM, M Jarvis brewda...@gmail.com wrote:

 ... one time I woke up in
 the middle of the night and all I could see was @SAY/GET text swirling
 around in my head

 Been there. Sometimes in the intense period of a project this happens to
 me. I call the episodes brain storms -- language constructs, variable
 names, function names storm through my head unstoppably. Half dreaming,
 half awake, all bizarre.

 Ken


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Re: [NF] SATA Drive a Dead PC...

2012-11-16 Thread Kurt @ VR-FX
I agree w/U Matt - as I have been beating my head in with this HD 
problem - and my Dead PC...


TGIF Right Back @ Ur Arse!

:-)


On 11/16/2012 12:35 PM, M Jarvis wrote:

On Nov 16, 2012, at 1:18 AM, Mike Copeland m...@ggisoft.com wrote:


Of course, we are into some pretty extreme solutions here that produce rare 
results! But when it works, it's sweet!

Mike

... and as a last ditch effort, you could slaughter a goat and lay it
on a flat rock pointing North during the next rise of a full moon

Okay okay, so that one didn't work, but by then I was fed up and drunk
enough to not give a crap anymore...  g

Happy Friday...




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Re: [NF] SATA Drive a Dead PC...

2012-11-16 Thread Kurt @ VR-FX
Ah - it looks like U R actually SERIOUS about this strange approach! So 
- if you don't mind my asking - what exactly is the deep freeze 
procedure???


...if it doesn't work - next - I'm going to build a Pyramid on my Bot 
and see if Pyramid-Power can solve the problem! Hell - MUST less messy 
than that Goat Slaughter approach!:-)


-K-


On 11/16/2012 12:30 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote:

I've had pretty good results with the deep freeze procedure. Drive rarely lives 
long but long enough to grab the necessary data.


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On Nov 16, 2012, at 1:18 AM, Mike Copeland m...@ggisoft.com wrote:


...and then there's the deep-freeze approach, and don't forget the 
swimin-wit-da-fishes method.

Of course, we are into some pretty extreme solutions here that produce rare 
results! But when it works, it's sweet!

Mike

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive  a Dead PC...
From: John Weller j...@johnweller.co.uk
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 2:56 AM

That is (was?) a well-known technique referred to as 'percussion adjustment'
:-)

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631


My father would sometimes give non-responsive radios a fair wack by

lifting


and then giving it a not so gentle slam against the table.  The darn thing
would then work after plugging it in.  As a small child I thought it was

magic...


Maybe you wan'a try that!!! :) LOL

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Re: [NF] SATA Drive a Dead PC...

2012-11-16 Thread Mike Copeland

Put it in a freezer, several hours, take it out, hook it up, power on.

Butkeep everything DRY (when you take it out, it may try to frost up 
in the room air humidity) and work fast because if it is going to help, 
as the device warms up inside, whatever was causing it to fail will 
likely recur.


Also, be aware that the more stuff you try, the more you likely 
guarantee that the drive is toast. So, if it really has something of 
high value, save the extreme solutions for last.

Way last.

Before you do anything else, at least take it to a local Best Buy and 
have a Geek-idiot connect it to a drive analyzer or something to test 
it. In other words, make sure you're really actually working with a rock 
before you chunk it into the river (metaphorically speaking.)


Mike

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive  a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX v...@optonline.net
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 2:54 PM
Ah - it looks like U R actually SERIOUS about this strange approach! So 
- if you don't mind my asking - what exactly is the deep freeze 
procedure???


...if it doesn't work - next - I'm going to build a Pyramid on my Bot 
and see if Pyramid-Power can solve the problem! Hell - MUST less messy 
than that Goat Slaughter approach!:-)


-K-


On 11/16/2012 12:30 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote:
I've had pretty good results with the deep freeze procedure. Drive 
rarely lives long but long enough to grab the necessary data.



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On Nov 16, 2012, at 1:18 AM, Mike Copeland m...@ggisoft.com wrote:

...and then there's the deep-freeze approach, and don't forget the 
swimin-wit-da-fishes method.


Of course, we are into some pretty extreme solutions here that 
produce rare results! But when it works, it's sweet!


Mike

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive  a Dead PC...
From: John Weller j...@johnweller.co.uk
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 2:56 AM

That is (was?) a well-known technique referred to as 'percussion 
adjustment'

:-)

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631


My father would sometimes give non-responsive radios a fair wack by

lifting

and then giving it a not so gentle slam against the table.  The darn 
thing
would then work after plugging it in.  As a small child I thought it 
was

magic...


Maybe you wan'a try that!!! :) LOL

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Re: BETA vs VHS (was Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)))

2012-11-16 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC

On 11/16/2012 3:35 PM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote:

Tell me about it - the Oxides drop off is TERRIBLE - so, VHS Tapes from
5 t 10 years ago, and those even farther back - are almost Un-viewable!
Time to convert them ALL to DVD - before the content degrades to
completely unusable.



Reminds me of the commentary on the Star Wars remakes for episodes 
4-6...the originals were fading fast apparently!



--
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MB Software Solutions, LLC
President, Chief Software Architect
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Re: [OT] Hostess union shoots self in foot.

2012-11-16 Thread Michael Madigan
Now 18,000 overpaid workers are unemployed and will get hired at 1/2 their 
current pay and benefits by someone else.   

Buh bye




From: Pete Theisen petethei...@verizon.net
To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com 
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 1:58 PM
Subject: [OT] Hostess union shoots self in foot.

Hi Everybody,

http://nation.foxnews.com/hostess/2012/11/16/end-hostess-we-know-it

Failing to persuade striking employees to return to work, Hostess Brands 
disclosed plans on Friday to liquidate its assets and lay off most of its 
18,500 workers, bringing the 82-year-old maker of Wonder Bread and Twinkies to 
the end of its line.

Founded in 1930, Hostess owns a slew of well-known brands, including Drakes, 
Dolly Madison, Twinkies, Ding Dongs, Ho Ho’s and Wonder.
-- Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
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RE: [NF] Watching a webinar on SPA

2012-11-16 Thread Allen
Did that a few years ago with asp and vfp.dll

Not new

Guys is this turning up as text? I’m on win 8 and its mail system and don't 
have a clue if its ok.

Al



Sent from Windows Mail


From: Stephen Russell
Sent: ‎14‎ ‎November‎ ‎2012 ‎12‎:‎07
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: [NF] Watching a webinar on SPA


Single Page Application.

http://www.vconferenceonline.com/event/home.aspx?id=805
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Re: BETA vs VHS (was Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)))

2012-11-16 Thread Kurt @ VR-FX

Ah - man - Mike - Ur so Bad! This is like the 3rd renaming of this thread.

Yeah - a little while ago - before the new Tron movie came out - I tried 
to have my son watch the Original - which I had on VHS. Holy cow - it 
looked SO BAD!


-K-


On 11/16/2012 4:20 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:

On 11/16/2012 3:35 PM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote:

Tell me about it - the Oxides drop off is TERRIBLE - so, VHS Tapes from
5 t 10 years ago, and those even farther back - are almost Un-viewable!
Time to convert them ALL to DVD - before the content degrades to
completely unusable.



Reminds me of the commentary on the Star Wars remakes for episodes 
4-6...the originals were fading fast apparently!






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Re: [NF] SATA Drive a Dead PC...

2012-11-16 Thread Kurt @ VR-FX
HEy Mike - thanks for all this advice. I figured if I DID put it in the 
freezer - I would 1st put it in a Zip Lock baggie.


Agreed about last resorts - and I think that I may just go ahead and 
bring it to the psuedo techies @ Best Buy - as there is one right near me!


-K-

On 11/16/2012 4:03 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:

Put it in a freezer, several hours, take it out, hook it up, power on.

Butkeep everything DRY (when you take it out, it may try to frost 
up in the room air humidity) and work fast because if it is going to 
help, as the device warms up inside, whatever was causing it to fail 
will likely recur.


Also, be aware that the more stuff you try, the more you likely 
guarantee that the drive is toast. So, if it really has something of 
high value, save the extreme solutions for last.

Way last.

Before you do anything else, at least take it to a local Best Buy and 
have a Geek-idiot connect it to a drive analyzer or something to test 
it. In other words, make sure you're really actually working with a 
rock before you chunk it into the river (metaphorically speaking.)


Mike

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive  a Dead PC...
From: Kurt @ VR-FX v...@optonline.net
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 2:54 PM
Ah - it looks like U R actually SERIOUS about this strange approach! 
So - if you don't mind my asking - what exactly is the deep freeze 
procedure???


...if it doesn't work - next - I'm going to build a Pyramid on my Bot 
and see if Pyramid-Power can solve the problem! Hell - MUST less messy 
than that Goat Slaughter approach!:-)


-K-


On 11/16/2012 12:30 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote:
I've had pretty good results with the deep freeze procedure. Drive 
rarely lives long but long enough to grab the necessary data.



Michael Oke, II
661-349-6221

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On Nov 16, 2012, at 1:18 AM, Mike Copeland m...@ggisoft.com wrote:

...and then there's the deep-freeze approach, and don't forget the 
swimin-wit-da-fishes method.


Of course, we are into some pretty extreme solutions here that 
produce rare results! But when it works, it's sweet!


Mike

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [NF] SATA Drive  a Dead PC...
From: John Weller j...@johnweller.co.uk
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 2:56 AM

That is (was?) a well-known technique referred to as 'percussion 
adjustment'

:-)

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631


My father would sometimes give non-responsive radios a fair wack by

lifting

and then giving it a not so gentle slam against the table.  The 
darn thing
would then work after plugging it in.  As a small child I thought 
it was

magic...


Maybe you wan'a try that!!! :) LOL

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Re: [NF] Small scanner for copying Passports IDs

2012-11-16 Thread Frank Cazabon

Thanks Paul,

so far I am only seeing it available in the UK  Ireland. Will keep 
searching to find someone in the US selling it.


Frank.

Frank Cazabon

On 16/11/2012 11:08 AM, Paul Hill wrote:

Hi Frank,

I have had a request in the past to support Passport Scanner plusktek
optic slim 550
No idea if it is any good.  We never did any work on this.

Regards,
Paul


On 16 November 2012 13:48, Frank Cazabon frank.caza...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,

I need to find a small footprint scanner that can handle scanning ID cards
and Passports (nothing bigger than that) and saving this as an image file
which I can automate from a VFP application.

The environment is mainly Windows XP workstations, but a couple are
Windows 7.

Any recommendations?

--

Frank.

Frank Cazabon






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Re: [NF] Adobe update forcing Chrome installation?

2012-11-16 Thread Ken Dibble



Thanks - I saw the McAffee thing when I went to the page, not the
Chrome... fun/tricky that they change it up on us...


Depends on which browser you're installing from. Can't remember which is 
which  right now but on IE you always get one and on Firefox you always get 
the other. And, by the way, you have to install from both if you want it to 
work on both.


Ken Dibble
www.stic-cil.org


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Re: [NF] Adobe update forcing Chrome installation?

2012-11-16 Thread Ken Dibble



I wouldn't put Java updates under the same heading as sneakily
installing Chrome or some phoney baloney AV - you can turn Java updates
off very easily, and it's a good idea to leave them on as they often
contain very important security fixes.


Yeah, and every time you update it, Firefox will disable it..again.

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Re: [NF] This desktop looks like a good deal...your thoughts?

2012-11-16 Thread Ken Dibble



http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3906461CatId=2628

HP Compaq dc7900 Desktop PC - Intel Core 2 Duo 2.66GHz, 3GB DDR2, 500GB 
HDD, DVD-ROM, Windows 7 Professional 64-bit, Mouse  Keyboard (Off-Lease)



USD $259.99


Look at the website more closely. You'll see separate machines listed as 
refurbished or off lease. At least for Tiger Direct, off lease does NOT 
mean refurbished. It just means used, and there's no indication of how 
heavily used.


Also, it's been my experience that for any given configuration of HW 
components, any Compaq computer will run between 25% and 33% slower than 
other brands with the same specs. Don't know why it is, but it's true.


Ken Dibble
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Re: [NF] Small scanner for copying Passports IDs

2012-11-16 Thread GaryT

Frank,
Check out Business Card Scanners as an option.
You might find something suitable pops up.
GaryT


On 17/11/12 00:48, Frank Cazabon wrote:

Hi,

I need to find a small footprint scanner that can handle scanning ID
cards and Passports (nothing bigger than that) and saving this as an
image file which I can automate from a VFP application.

The environment is mainly Windows XP workstations, but a couple are
Windows 7.

Any recommendations?



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Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface))

2012-11-16 Thread Ken Dibble




Peachtree Accounting Software was supposed to be very good and appease the 
accountants moreso (probably because of that part about closed 
periods).  This is another example of how marketing and its big-$ spend 
can really take an arguably inferior product and make it #1.  History is 
littered with easy examples of such.  Excel over Lotus 1-2-3 comes to mind 
first.  VB6/Access over VFP is another.  More?


Er...

betamax vs VHS
cell phones vs. POTS
desktops vs. tablets

*chuckles evilly*

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Re: [NF] Small scanner for copying Passports IDs

2012-11-16 Thread GaryT

Found one!
Talk to this company. Seems to have a good range of small stuff.

Open to 8.00pm Friday in California.
http://www.scanshell-store.com/software-idscan-passport-scanner.htm

GT



On 17/11/12 13:08, I wrote:

Frank,
Check out Business Card Scanners as an option.
You might find something suitable pops up.
GaryT


On 17/11/12 00:48, Frank Cazabon wrote:

Hi,

I need to find a small footprint scanner that can handle scanning ID
cards and Passports (nothing bigger than that) and saving this as an
image file which I can automate from a VFP application.

The environment is mainly Windows XP workstations, but a couple are
Windows 7.

Any recommendations?



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Re: [NF] This desktop looks like a good deal...your thoughts?

2012-11-16 Thread Kurt @ VR-FX
Damn - in that case - I would suggest - if buying used - do so locally 
so you can SEE B 4 U Buy!


-K-

On 11/16/2012 9:06 PM, Ken Dibble wrote:


http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3906461CatId=2628 



HP Compaq dc7900 Desktop PC - Intel Core 2 Duo 2.66GHz, 3GB DDR2, 
500GB HDD, DVD-ROM, Windows 7 Professional 64-bit, Mouse  Keyboard 
(Off-Lease)



USD $259.99


Look at the website more closely. You'll see separate machines listed 
as refurbished or off lease. At least for Tiger Direct, off lease 
does NOT mean refurbished. It just means used, and there's no 
indication of how heavily used.


Also, it's been my experience that for any given configuration of HW 
components, any Compaq computer will run between 25% and 33% slower 
than other brands with the same specs. Don't know why it is, but it's 
true.


Ken Dibble
www.stic-cil.org


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Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface))

2012-11-16 Thread Kurt @ VR-FX

Oh man - U made me chuckle on THAT One!
-K-


On 11/16/2012 9:16 PM, Ken Dibble wrote:




Peachtree Accounting Software was supposed to be very good and 
appease the accountants moreso (probably because of that part about 
closed periods).  This is another example of how marketing and its 
big-$ spend can really take an arguably inferior product and make it 
#1.  History is littered with easy examples of such.  Excel over 
Lotus 1-2-3 comes to mind first.  VB6/Access over VFP is another.  More?


Er...

betamax vs VHS
cell phones vs. POTS
desktops vs. tablets

*chuckles evilly*

Ken Dibble
www.stic-cil.org


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Re: [NF] This desktop looks like a good deal...your thoughts?

2012-11-16 Thread AndyHC
In the UK you can get a pretty good ex-corporate HP /*server*/ for 
around $30 -$40 - trouble is it costs nearly that much a month in 
electricity to run the things!


  AndyD  8-)#

On 16/11/2012 19:40, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote:
The price also looked pretty good to me. There was a recent article in 
the NY Times Bus. Sec. all about HP - and you should check it out!


-K-



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Re: FoxDOS 2.6 Screen Set

2012-11-16 Thread Dan Covill

Congratulations, Jack!

Now I know somebody famous!

Dan

On 11/16/12 12:40, Jack Skelley wrote:

This weekend is the largest get together of fly tyers in the world and it 
happens in New Jersey!
 This year I have been invited as a tyer of salmon flies. This is the 
equivalent of making the all-star team
 in professional baseball. So this is exciting for me to get this 
invitation.
 Checkout 
http://internationalflytyingsymposium.com/celebritiesandtiers.html and 
you should see my name.



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