Re: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: On 5/14/2012 10:53 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:00 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: You're spot on with that comment, Ed. So many think that EVERYTHING should be a web app. (*Cough*_Stephen*Cough*) - Proudly. What's that rationale again, Steve? Hi Michael, Make it easier for the cats in Russia and Nigeria to access the funds in your bank account. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fb1fa48.7010...@verizon.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:28 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: On 5/14/2012 10:53 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:00 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: You're spot on with that comment, Ed. So many think that EVERYTHING should be a web app. (*Cough*_Stephen*Cough*) - Proudly. What's that rationale again, Steve? I jusst want the app to work, not control how it is used. Thus an android phone or a windows pc can use the same code base. I don't have to worry about ocx files necessary to run an app. So what do you get out of demanding that something works on the desktop? The new version of Windows will allow HTML5 apps to run native on the desktop but I have not tried to work in VS2012 yet. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAJidMYLzxmb3ut-6ZhwDjVHr8=rrvzcqmxbfggsfnq-kjfa...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:40 AM, Pete Theisen petethei...@verizon.net wrote: Make it easier for the cats in Russia and Nigeria to access the funds in your bank account. -- Those cats know how to search for inheritance. :) -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAJidMY+jY_vKf2eT74eYGn=et2+1zvnknk6ptd8x4qufuna...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
On Tue, May 15, 2012, at 06:07 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: So what do you get out of demanding that something works on the desktop? A rich UI. I'd love to see someone try to implement Photoshop or AutoCAD in the browser. Admittedly not the sphere in which most people here operate, but still. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1337086205.31066.140661075786937.09cd8...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
Actually Alan - I believe Autodesk is already working on capabilities to do stuff like AutoCAD in the Cloud. I believe there are already Cloud based 3D Apps. Which seems strange - since they are really heavily tied to the 3D API's of the OS - like Direct-3D or OpenGL - in order to make 3D SW run fast. But, I do know stuff like this is being developed. As for Photoshop in the Cloud - maybe Google already has something like it. Although, I don't think there would be the same demand for something like PS in the cloud. When it comes to 3D in the Cloud - part of the deal is for people to collaborate on 3D Designs this way - with people in distant locations. Special Effects in movies are many times farmed out to multiple VFX shops - yet many times those different shops MUST work together. I figured I might as well do a quick search on what Autodesk is Actually doing in the Cloud - so, here is what I found: http://designandmotion.net/autodesk/autodesk-cloud-computing-is-here/ http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?siteID=123112id=17136545 L8r, -K- -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 8:50 AM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech. On Tue, May 15, 2012, at 06:07 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: So what do you get out of demanding that something works on the desktop? A rich UI. I'd love to see someone try to implement Photoshop or AutoCAD in the browser. Admittedly not the sphere in which most people here operate, but still. -- Alan Bourke ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/289ea162f5642645b5cf64d624c66a140e260...@us-ny-mail-002.waitex.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Alan Bourke alanpbou...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012, at 06:07 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: So what do you get out of demanding that something works on the desktop? A rich UI. I'd love to see someone try to implement Photoshop or AutoCAD in the browser. Admittedly not the sphere in which most people here operate, but still. -- The browser is updating very fast these days. It costs you nothing for users to upgrade and other things are usually unaffected as the smooth upgrades are applied. Chrome / Firefox The lack of fee to the end users is the biggest benefit I see out of this. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cajidmy+qa7fnbpzeguw9-weuvqodnf6k_yrajdswshsjynt...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
On 5/15/2012 9:59 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote: Actually Alan - I believe Autodesk is already working on capabilities to do stuff like AutoCAD in the Cloud. I believe there are already Cloud based 3D Apps. Which seems strange - since they are really heavily tied to the 3D API's of the OS - like Direct-3D or OpenGL - in order to make 3D SW run fast. But, I do know stuff like this is being developed. As for Photoshop in the Cloud - maybe Google already has something like it. Although, I don't think there would be the same demand for something like PS in the cloud. When it comes to 3D in the Cloud - part of the deal is for people to collaborate on 3D Designs this way - with people in distant locations. Special Effects in movies are many times farmed out to multiple VFX shops - yet many times those different shops MUST work together. I figured I might as well do a quick search on what Autodesk is Actually doing in the Cloud - so, here is what I found: They'll save the data in the cloud, but then run the complex drawing logic locally. They're probably just using the cloud for common data storage. -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fb26d79.40...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
Mike - just curious. Did you actually check out those webpages? I know there WAS mention on there about data storage in the cloud. And, I will admit I did NOT look over those webpages closely. But, from what I have heard n the recent past - I believe they ARE actually running apps on servers in the cloud. Here at my day job we use Teamviewer. And, its not much different - since we can connect to a client and view their desktop - and actually operate as though we are there onsite. So - for the 3D App to run in the cloud, its not much different - and should NOT be such a stretch of the imagination. -K- -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions, LLC Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:52 AM On 5/15/2012 9:59 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote: Actually Alan - I believe Autodesk is already working on capabilities to do stuff like AutoCAD in the Cloud. I believe there are already Cloud based 3D Apps. Which seems strange - since they are really heavily tied to the 3D API's of the OS - like Direct-3D or OpenGL - in order to make 3D SW run fast. But, I do know stuff like this is being developed. As for Photoshop in the Cloud - maybe Google already has something like it. Although, I don't think there would be the same demand for something like PS in the cloud. When it comes to 3D in the Cloud - part of the deal is for people to collaborate on 3D Designs this way - with people in distant locations. Special Effects in movies are many times farmed out to multiple VFX shops - yet many times those different shops MUST work together. I figured I might as well do a quick search on what Autodesk is Actually doing in the Cloud - so, here is what I found: They'll save the data in the cloud, but then run the complex drawing logic locally. They're probably just using the cloud for common data storage. -- Mike Babcock, MCP ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/289ea162f5642645b5cf64d624c66a140e260...@us-ny-mail-002.waitex.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
On Tue, May 15, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote: * So - for the 3D App to run in the cloud, its not much different The core problem with this the is scalability and virtualisation of graphics acceleration hardware, and there are some moves from the big players to look at this, for example: Citrix Releases XenDesktop Virtualization 3D Graphics Acceleration http://www.dabcc.com/article.aspx?id=7842 There's also OnLive, which allows you to play popular PC and Mac titles streamed from the cloud. It apparently works OK on ultra-fast, low-latency broadband, and if you're not to worried about a bit of control lag. http://www.onlive.com/ So maybe in 20 years when the entire planet has 100Mbps broadband and HTML6 can deliver the sort of UI that a native app can, we'll be good to go! -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1337094599.8927.140661075847725.2e317...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
Heck - in 20 years from now - it will probably be more like HTML25 that will allow all the Magic to happen... -K- -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 11:10 AM On Tue, May 15, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote: * So - for the 3D App to run in the cloud, its not much different The core problem with this the is scalability and virtualisation of graphics acceleration hardware, and there are some moves from the big players to look at this, for example: Citrix Releases XenDesktop Virtualization 3D Graphics Acceleration http://www.dabcc.com/article.aspx?id=7842 There's also OnLive, which allows you to play popular PC and Mac titles streamed from the cloud. It apparently works OK on ultra-fast, low-latency broadband, and if you're not to worried about a bit of control lag. http://www.onlive.com/ So maybe in 20 years when the entire planet has 100Mbps broadband and HTML6 can deliver the sort of UI that a native app can, we'll be good to go! -- Alan Bourke ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/289ea162f5642645b5cf64d624c66a140e260...@us-ny-mail-002.waitex.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
Hey folks, I'm looking for some general feedback insights here. About 1.5 years ago I built a very small VFP App for one of the clients of the company I work for here. And, 1.5 years later - I found that the app is Rock Solid - with no bugs or crashes since it was originally implemented - and they've been using it all this time. Sure, its small - with only 1 main form - but, with like 5 pages of Tabs, like 2 reports, 2 types of data imports and 2 types of data exports. Its used to process e-comm orders, and attach tracking numbers to the Orders by communicating w/UPS Worldship (part of the data export import). And, then it sends back Order confirmations to the main e-comm website. Now, we have another client, who is going to need this same App very soon. And, I have also been in discussion with my Boss about making it a general type App that can be sold to other Vendors across the USA who could use this same system. However, I think it's an EXCELLENT Opportunity for me to learn some new Dev. Tools. Since, this one new client who is going to need the App - won't need it for several months. That gives me time to convert the VFP app to another platform and also the time to learn new tools. I was already planning to use MS SQL Express as the back-end, since, any client that may use that App really should NOT have more than 5 people at a time using it. So - next, I was thinking about what to use for the front-end development. They use C#/.Net here - and I supposed I could also do development with that. But, I was also considering other options. I know a lot of people use PHP. I've heard of Dabo, but, don't really know anything about it. I know of Python Ruby-on-Rails, and maybe one of those would be good. In the end, I want to see what YOU Folks suggest - as I know MANY of you on the list here are currently doing their main development using tech other than VFP! Thanks, -K- Senior Developer Waitex Information System, Inc. P Save a tree. Don't print this e-mail unless it's really necessary. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/289ea162f5642645b5cf64d624c66a140e260...@us-ny-mail-002.waitex.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
Hello Kurt, Let me throw in my $0.02 for Real Studio. I have found that the VFP mindset is easily translated over to Real Studio. VFP and RealBasic, (the language used inside of Real Studio) are like cousins. RealBasic is not Visual Basic 6 in that it is more OO comparatively. One feature that I LOVE is that it is cross-platform. Windows, Mac and Linux, with as little pain as is possible. There's a Web Edition as well. I've even written a VFPtoRS converter that will convert your forms over for you. I'm working on version 0.3 which should allow you to convert a VFP form to a Real Studio web form, but that's not ready yet. http://cully.biz/2012/03/15/visual-foxpro-to-real-studio-converter-0-2beta/ Real Studio is reasonably priced, and well supported by a company based out of Austin, Texas, USA: Real Software. Why limit yourself to just Windows when you're going to sell a piece of software? [ Take a good look at Dabo too! ] I'm giving a 4 hour post conference session on Real Studio at the Southwest Fox 2012 conference coming up in October. http://swfox.net/ Next week, I'll be presenting Introduction to Object Oriented Programming at the Real World 2012 conference in Orlando, FL. http://realsoftware.com/community/realworld.php Good luck! On 05/14/2012 10:29 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote: In the end, I want to see what YOU Folks suggest - as I know MANY of you on the list here are currently doing their main development using tech other than VFP! Thanks, -K- --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fb11aa4.5000...@cullytechnologies.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
Hey there Kevin, Thank you SO MUCH for such an extensive reply. I really appreciate all your feedback. I know that you have been one of the great proponents of using RS, and I remembered you recent posts about your creation of the converter that you mentioned below. There are issues that I have in regards to using RS. But, let me add something I should have mentioned in my original posting. The one reason I am considering C#/.Net is that the co. I work for already owns Visual Studio. As such, there is no extra costs for me to try and develop with it. Maybe I could even use something else within the Studio - although NOT VB - since I've heard too much bad stuff about that. Isn't there some kinda Java implementation within VS? Its also why I was considering MS SQL Express as the back-end, since its free. I know stuff like PHP Ruby are also free. This idea to convert the VFP app into another Tech - I am essentially doing it on my own. Things have gotten slow for me at work here recently - so, I have the time to work on something like this. But, I know that they will NOT go out and buy new SW to dev. with - so, that's another reason why I don't think RS is a good option for me here. Lastly - since I am trying to take the time, on the job, to learn new Tech - I want to make sure its something that popular and its transferable - should I decide to go look for a new job. I just don't think there is enough places out there using RS - which also makes my using of RS to be not the greatest option. If I was doing consulting work on a completely independent basis - then maybe RS might be a decent option - especially considering the learning curve. Sorry if I put down RS too much - especially since I know you are a big RS developer and a proponent of its usage! But, I still appreciate your feedback - and, if I am able to go to SWFox this year - I will be sure to go see your presentation! -K- -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Cully Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 10:46 AM Hello Kurt, Let me throw in my $0.02 for Real Studio. I have found that the VFP mindset is easily translated over to Real Studio. VFP and RealBasic, (the language used inside of Real Studio) are like cousins. RealBasic is not Visual Basic 6 in that it is more OO comparatively. One feature that I LOVE is that it is cross-platform. Windows, Mac and Linux, with as little pain as is possible. There's a Web Edition as well. I've even written a VFPtoRS converter that will convert your forms over for you. I'm working on version 0.3 which should allow you to convert a VFP form to a Real Studio web form, but that's not ready yet. http://cully.biz/2012/03/15/visual-foxpro-to-real-studio-converter-0-2be ta/ Real Studio is reasonably priced, and well supported by a company based out of Austin, Texas, USA: Real Software. Why limit yourself to just Windows when you're going to sell a piece of software? [ Take a good look at Dabo too! ] I'm giving a 4 hour post conference session on Real Studio at the Southwest Fox 2012 conference coming up in October. http://swfox.net/ Next week, I'll be presenting Introduction to Object Oriented Programming at the Real World 2012 conference in Orlando, FL. http://realsoftware.com/community/realworld.php Good luck! On 05/14/2012 10:29 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote: In the end, I want to see what YOU Folks suggest - as I know MANY of you on the list here are currently doing their main development using tech other than VFP! Thanks, -K- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/289ea162f5642645b5cf64d624c66a140e260...@us-ny-mail-002.waitex.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
On May 14, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote: This idea to convert the VFP app into another Tech - I am essentially doing it on my own. Things have gotten slow for me at work here recently - so, I have the time to work on something like this. But, I know that they will NOT go out and buy new SW to dev. with - so, that's another reason why I don't think RS is a good option for me here. You should decide what type of app you want to create using that other tech: a web app, a desktop app, or something that tries to be both. If you go the web app, there are tons of web frameworks out there. Ruby on Rails is probably the best known, with Django (Python) also pretty popular. PHP is another choice for the web, but seriously, I wouldn't go that route. While being very powerful, it's also very easy to create messy applications. The framework approach makes that less likely. If you're going the desktop app route, you know I'm going to recommend Dabo, which is one of the few desktop app frameworks in any open source language (we use Python). Truth is, most of the focus in the open source world is on the web, and desktop apps are treated like so much 90s nostalgia. That's why we focused on that niche. -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/2fb88a4e-1f90-413a-be52-7764e2516...@leafe.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
IMHO it is not so much that VB.Net is BAD per se, rather that C# has become more mainstream. I've done quite a bit of work with VB.Net over the years and found it to be an easier transition from VFP. But there is much more C# work out there to be had, and you'll find far more code samples written in C# than VB online as well as in printed booiks. For anyone getting into .NET I would recommend C#, but don't feel VB is _that_ bad an option either. I'm learning C# and intend to use it going forward. As always, YMMV Lou -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Wendt ... The one reason I am considering C#/.Net is that the co. I work for already owns Visual Studio. As such, there is no extra costs for me to try and develop with it. Maybe I could even use something else within the Studio - although NOT VB - since I've heard too much bad stuff about that. ... ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/0bac2c1927422843b2c121c8b41684af1eda6...@dfw1mbx24.mex07a.mlsrvr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
Hey there Ed, Since I did mentioned Dabo - I kinda figured you would chime in - and I really looked forward to your response. Yes - for now, I intend to make this a Desktop App. And, I saw in the Wiki - similar mention like what you wrote below - about it being a framework for Desktop app dev - which many tend to steer away from - since everything, it seems - is going the way of Web Apps! Its possible that a future version of the App I am working on may be a Web App - but, for now - I'm pretty much looking at the Desktop realm. Understood about your PHP comments, so I shall steer away from that. As far as Ruby is concerned - is that also pretty much a Web App dev tool - as opposed to Desktop??? Lastly - since thread should again get me up into the top 20 list for the Month end Stat's - which is always fun to see! -K- -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 11:20 AM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech. On May 14, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote: This idea to convert the VFP app into another Tech - I am essentially doing it on my own. Things have gotten slow for me at work here recently - so, I have the time to work on something like this. But, I know that they will NOT go out and buy new SW to dev. with - so, that's another reason why I don't think RS is a good option for me here. You should decide what type of app you want to create using that other tech: a web app, a desktop app, or something that tries to be both. If you go the web app, there are tons of web frameworks out there. Ruby on Rails is probably the best known, with Django (Python) also pretty popular. PHP is another choice for the web, but seriously, I wouldn't go that route. While being very powerful, it's also very easy to create messy applications. The framework approach makes that less likely. If you're going the desktop app route, you know I'm going to recommend Dabo, which is one of the few desktop app frameworks in any open source language (we use Python). Truth is, most of the focus in the open source world is on the web, and desktop apps are treated like so much 90s nostalgia. That's why we focused on that niche. -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/289ea162f5642645b5cf64d624c66a140e260...@us-ny-mail-002.waitex.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Hey Lou, Sorry to have pounced on VB so much, although it was purely based upon what I have heard. Actually, in think it was just brought up very recently on another thread in this list. Believe me, if I had heard more positive things about it, and it was more popular (for getting a future job) - I would have seriously considered it. Nothing I would have liked better than going to a language that harks back to the good ole days - since I started out with BASIC back in 1980 in high school. Its what basically got me started - and kinda led me to where I am today (whether that's Good or Bad, that's debatable!)... One thing I heard, if I remember right - as I don't remember where I read it - that VB seems not to be as much truly object-oriented as something like C#. And, I think that was one of the complaints that someone had made about VB. -K- -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Lou Syracuse Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 11:12 AM IMHO it is not so much that VB.Net is BAD per se, rather that C# has become more mainstream. I've done quite a bit of work with VB.Net over the years and found it to be an easier transition from VFP. But there is much more C# work out there to be had, and you'll find far more code samples written in C# than VB online as well as in printed booiks. For anyone getting into .NET I would recommend C#, but don't feel VB is _that_ bad an option either. I'm learning C# and intend to use it going forward. As always, YMMV Lou -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Wendt ... The one reason I am considering C#/.Net is that the co. I work for already owns Visual Studio. As such, there is no extra costs for me to try and develop with it. Maybe I could even use something else within the Studio - although NOT VB - since I've heard too much bad stuff about that. ... ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/289ea162f5642645b5cf64d624c66a140e260...@us-ny-mail-002.waitex.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
On Mon, May 14, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote: I was already planning to use MS SQL Express as the back-end, since, any client that may use that App really should NOT have more than 5 people at a time using it. SQL Server Express could easily handle anything you can throw at it, since it's the essentially same as the other variants except it has a 10GB database limit, and you can't cluster it. Don't think of it as being some lightweight, cut-down thing. You need to ask yourself some more questions for what you want from it going forward. Is it desktop only, browser only, or both? If desktop is involved, do you care about cross-platform? Should it be available in the cloud? Or on-premises? Or both? If in the cloud, will it be single or multi-tenant? Do you want to charge based on usage or a one-off fee? -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1337009843.4858.140661075348329.32b21...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
On Mon, May 14, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote: One thing I heard, if I remember right - as I don't remember where I read it - that VB seems not to be as much truly object-oriented as something like C#. They were probably talking about Visual Basic 6, i.e. not VB.NET. The former has some objecty things about it, but you wouldn't call it a fully OO language. The latter is as OO as C#, and that's one of the problems with transitioning from VB6 to it. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1337009940.5094.140661075350069.33497...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
I guess I'm confused. Why would you solicit opinions on other development options without providing significant parameters, and then discount them outright? I didn't see any mention of price, or popularity ranking being a requirement. On 05/14/2012 11:02 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote: Hey there Kevin, Thank you SO MUCH for such an extensive reply. I really appreciate all your feedback. I know that you have been one of the great proponents of using RS, and I remembered you recent posts about your creation of the converter that you mentioned below. There are issues that I have in regards to using RS. But, let me add something I should have mentioned in my original posting. The one reason I am considering C#/.Net is that the co. I work for already owns Visual Studio. As such, there is no extra costs for me to try and develop with it. Maybe I could even use something else within the Studio - although NOT VB - since I've heard too much bad stuff about that. Isn't there some kinda Java implementation within VS? Its also why I was considering MS SQL Express as the back-end, since its free. I know stuff like PHP Ruby are also free. This idea to convert the VFP app into another Tech - I am essentially doing it on my own. Things have gotten slow for me at work here recently - so, I have the time to work on something like this. But, I know that they will NOT go out and buy new SW to dev. with - so, that's another reason why I don't think RS is a good option for me here. Lastly - since I am trying to take the time, on the job, to learn new Tech - I want to make sure its something that popular and its transferable - should I decide to go look for a new job. I just don't think there is enough places out there using RS - which also makes my using of RS to be not the greatest option. If I was doing consulting work on a completely independent basis - then maybe RS might be a decent option - especially considering the learning curve. Sorry if I put down RS too much - especially since I know you are a big RS developer and a proponent of its usage! But, I still appreciate your feedback - and, if I am able to go to SWFox this year - I will be sure to go see your presentation! -K- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fb12f43.4020...@cullytechnologies.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Kurt Wendt kurtwe...@waitex.com wrote: However, I think it's an EXCELLENT Opportunity for me to learn some new Dev. Tools. Since, this one new client who is going to need the App - won't need it for several months. That gives me time to convert the VFP app to another platform and also the time to learn new tools. I can't really comment on the languages already discussed... of the ones mentioned I prolly know PHP the best but like Ed mentioned things can get messy... I think you should try and match up in priority of a) best tool for the job and b) what interests you to learn. BUT, if marketability is a priority (these days we all need all the help we can get), you might consider doing the app in MS Access. Like you said about your app it doesn't do a heck of a lot, so Access might be workable for you. Also, other than true software dev jobs out there, having some skills with Access is nice to have. EVERYBODY has at least heard of it so it won't be so much more of alphabet soup on your resume... -- Matt Jarvis Eugene, Oregon USA ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAPT54rYE8VvvE5b8unMFr4CKkDWu3NT=akvowen5rsduxum...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
In my original reply to you - I already mentioned that I should have mentioned in my original posting. When I did the original posting - failed to add the requirement about pricing - and that I wanted to learn something that is transferable. True - I forgot to mention those things - and I did NOT Think about them until I read your posting. But, Alas - last I checked - I was only human - and therefore fallible... And - I'm sorry if I upset you with my comments in my rejection of RS as an option - since that was surely not my intention... I try as best as I can to play well within this sandbox! -K- -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Cully Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 12:14 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech. I guess I'm confused. Why would you solicit opinions on other development options without providing significant parameters, and then discount them outright? I didn't see any mention of price, or popularity ranking being a requirement. On 05/14/2012 11:02 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote: Hey there Kevin, Thank you SO MUCH for such an extensive reply. I really appreciate all your feedback. I know that you have been one of the great proponents of using RS, and I remembered you recent posts about your creation of the converter that you mentioned below. There are issues that I have in regards to using RS. But, let me add something I should have mentioned in my original posting. The one reason I am considering C#/.Net is that the co. I work for already owns Visual Studio. As such, there is no extra costs for me to try and develop with it. Maybe I could even use something else within the Studio - although NOT VB - since I've heard too much bad stuff about that. Isn't there some kinda Java implementation within VS? Its also why I was considering MS SQL Express as the back-end, since its free. I know stuff like PHP Ruby are also free. This idea to convert the VFP app into another Tech - I am essentially doing it on my own. Things have gotten slow for me at work here recently - so, I have the time to work on something like this. But, I know that they will NOT go out and buy new SW to dev. with - so, that's another reason why I don't think RS is a good option for me here. Lastly - since I am trying to take the time, on the job, to learn new Tech - I want to make sure its something that popular and its transferable - should I decide to go look for a new job. I just don't think there is enough places out there using RS - which also makes my using of RS to be not the greatest option. If I was doing consulting work on a completely independent basis - then maybe RS might be a decent option - especially considering the learning curve. Sorry if I put down RS too much - especially since I know you are a big RS developer and a proponent of its usage! But, I still appreciate your feedback - and, if I am able to go to SWFox this year - I will be sure to go see your presentation! -K- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/289ea162f5642645b5cf64d624c66a140e260...@us-ny-mail-002.waitex.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Access! Really? It was actually here on this list that I recently read of people making Slams against Access. So, I'm wondering if you made this reply as a kind of tongue in cheek exercise... -K- -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of M Jarvis Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 12:31 PM On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Kurt Wendt kurtwe...@waitex.com wrote: However, I think it's an EXCELLENT Opportunity for me to learn some new Dev. Tools. Since, this one new client who is going to need the App - won't need it for several months. That gives me time to convert the VFP app to another platform and also the time to learn new tools. I can't really comment on the languages already discussed... of the ones mentioned I prolly know PHP the best but like Ed mentioned things can get messy... I think you should try and match up in priority of a) best tool for the job and b) what interests you to learn. BUT, if marketability is a priority (these days we all need all the help we can get), you might consider doing the app in MS Access. Like you said about your app it doesn't do a heck of a lot, so Access might be workable for you. Also, other than true software dev jobs out there, having some skills with Access is nice to have. EVERYBODY has at least heard of it so it won't be so much more of alphabet soup on your resume... -- Matt Jarvis Eugene, Oregon USA ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/289ea162f5642645b5cf64d624c66a140e260...@us-ny-mail-002.waitex.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
Understood - and maybe that was the comment I read some time ago - maybe people had an issue w/going from VB6 to VB.Net! So - is VB.Net really popular out there in the industry? -K- -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 11:39 AM On Mon, May 14, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote: One thing I heard, if I remember right - as I don't remember where I read it - that VB seems not to be as much truly object-oriented as something like C#. They were probably talking about Visual Basic 6, i.e. not VB.NET. The former has some objecty things about it, but you wouldn't call it a fully OO language. The latter is as OO as C#, and that's one of the problems with transitioning from VB6 to it. -- Alan Bourke ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/289ea162f5642645b5cf64d624c66a140e260...@us-ny-mail-002.waitex.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Kurt Wendt kurtwe...@waitex.com wrote: Access! Really? It was actually here on this list that I recently read of people making Slams against Access. So, I'm wondering if you made this reply as a kind of tongue in cheek exercise... -K- Not trying to be funny... I think (and prolly a lot of people on this list) that Access is like slumming it as far as dev goes... but it's MARKETABLE... If you need a job in a hurry, alphabet soup languages are great, but Access opens doors... -- Matt Jarvis Eugene, Oregon USA ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAPT54rY79=zvbqhspj4whrpf8qf41s1e9mbymwgfrm-tke-...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
Hey Alan - thanks for your feedback - see my responses below... -K- -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 11:37 AM On Mon, May 14, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote: I was already planning to use MS SQL Express as the back-end, since, any client that may use that App really should NOT have more than 5 people at a time using it. SQL Server Express could easily handle anything you can throw at it, since it's the essentially same as the other variants except it has a 10GB database limit, and you can't cluster it. Don't think of it as being some lightweight, cut-down thing. Yup, I didn't think it was cut-down, just limited - like # of users. As for the 10GB limit - since the application is so small - I think it would take a client a long time - or tons and TONS of orders even to start reaching that limit. I suspect that by that time, we would already be working on the eventually of then using full MS SQL - or something like MySql. You need to ask yourself some more questions for what you want from it going forward. Is it desktop only, browser only, or both? Actually - I did answer this in one of my previous replies - the one is response to Ed. But, to repeat here - my initial intentions are to make it for the Desktop. If desktop is involved, do you care about cross-platform? Right now - No. But, that may change in the future. Should it be available in the cloud? Or on-premises? Or both? If in the cloud, will it be single or multi-tenant? Again - right now - I think only on-premises. Do you want to charge based on usage or a one-off fee? The initial plan is to sell it as One-Off, w/annual maint. fee, and also sell it w/add-ons - i.e. additional fee per trading partner. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/289ea162f5642645b5cf64d624c66a140e260...@us-ny-mail-002.waitex.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
About 4 years ago I worked at this job - that was totally unrelated to my background - as it had nothing to do with programming or computer graphics or teaching. It was as a manager of large scale print projects(like overseeing the printing of standardized test results for ALL the students at ALL the schools within the Whole of NYC). There was this data I had to work with - and I was considering making a small database system. I was looking into using Access to do it - and at the time - I really had NO Knowledge of working with Access. I didn't have a good time with it - and it left a bad taste in my mouth. Although, truthfully - I didn't have enough time available during work hours to properly do it. I've also heard that's its not really great at making nice GUI's for data access, supposedly only basic GUI's. Again - its only what I have heard in the past. And, although the system I already developed is fairly small - the interface to the data is important to me - and I want to make something as elegant or Better in whatever Tech. I decide to use on this project. Again - all my knowledge of Access is mostly hearsay - I never really researched into as a possible development tool, except that time at my previous job... -K- -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of M Jarvis Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 1:02 PM On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Kurt Wendt kurtwe...@waitex.com wrote: Access! Really? It was actually here on this list that I recently read of people making Slams against Access. So, I'm wondering if you made this reply as a kind of tongue in cheek exercise... -K- Not trying to be funny... I think (and prolly a lot of people on this list) that Access is like slumming it as far as dev goes... but it's MARKETABLE... If you need a job in a hurry, alphabet soup languages are great, but Access opens doors... -- Matt Jarvis ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/289ea162f5642645b5cf64d624c66a140e260...@us-ny-mail-002.waitex.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
On 5/14/2012 11:20 AM, Ed Leafe wrote: On May 14, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote: This idea to convert the VFP app into another Tech - I am essentially doing it on my own. Things have gotten slow for me at work here recently - so, I have the time to work on something like this. But, I know that they will NOT go out and buy new SW to dev. with - so, that's another reason why I don't think RS is a good option for me here. You should decide what type of app you want to create using that other tech: a web app, a desktop app, or something that tries to be both. If you go the web app, there are tons of web frameworks out there. Ruby on Rails is probably the best known, with Django (Python) also pretty popular. PHP is another choice for the web, but seriously, I wouldn't go that route. While being very powerful, it's also very easy to create messy applications. The framework approach makes that less likely. If you're going the desktop app route, you know I'm going to recommend Dabo, which is one of the few desktop app frameworks in any open source language (we use Python). Truth is, most of the focus in the open source world is on the web, and desktop apps are treated like so much 90s nostalgia. That's why we focused on that niche. You're spot on with that comment, Ed. So many think that EVERYTHING should be a web app. (*Cough*_Stephen*Cough*) -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fb14850.1000...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:00 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: You're spot on with that comment, Ed. So many think that EVERYTHING should be a web app. (*Cough*_Stephen*Cough*) - Proudly. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cajidmykrjartp7qrph3bswojqrhbvufgy_rbu7fpctaaf1h...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Converting VFP App to New Tech.
On 5/14/2012 10:53 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:00 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: You're spot on with that comment, Ed. So many think that EVERYTHING should be a web app. (*Cough*_Stephen*Cough*) - Proudly. What's that rationale again, Steve? -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4fb1cd4e.8060...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
