Re: [OT] Death Panels do exist
Uh Peter, I did read the article about the private insurance companies, and I do know that is happening and is true. I was referring to your absurd, unfounded statement below: Pete Theisen wrote: So the national health care person would herd you into the slaughterhouse just as surely as the insurance companies are now doing. Philip Borkholder wrote: Ok Mr. Pete, Where's the proof of your absurd accusation? Hi Philip, You are the one who didn't read the last link, I guess you didn't read this one either. Nothing I could show you would open your closed mind, you will just have to wait until it happens to you. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4a8d5c2d.4090...@netzero.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Death Panels do exist
Philip Borkholder wrote: I did read the article about the private insurance companies, and I do know that is happening and is true. I was referring to your absurd, unfounded statement below: So the national health care person would herd you into the slaughterhouse just as surely as the insurance companies are now doing. Hi Phillip, The phrase herd you into the slaughterhouse is a figure of speech as I use it here. It refers to not trying to fix your injury or illness and instead drugging you into insensibility because that is far cheaper. They wanted to do that to me several years ago after a series of car accidents. I refused their death wish for me but then I had to pay for my own care , a *lot $$$*, and it left me bankrupt. However, now my health is much better - after they left me for dead and didn't pay. I had insurance, both the drivers who hit me had insurance. The cheap way saves the insurance companies money, for CEO salaries and perks, but results in an unfixed and by now dead (from the side effects of the pain drugs) me. I call that herd me into the slaughterhouse. What would you call it if it were you being given dangerous (eventually fatal) pain drugs instead of restorative care? The national health care proposals all follow the insurance industry cost containment model which *amounts to* selecting the sickest patients for death. Saying anything else about it is just putting lipstick on a pig. What has been missing in all the proposals has been a commitment to life, if life is at all possible. They want to commit to saving money and are prepared to accept some deaths (of other people) to realize the savings. The breakpoint is selected not by medical possibility, but by budgetary goals. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4a8d7b1f.4030...@verizon.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Death Panels do exist
and this is the health system that madagain wants to defend? this is why the rest of the first world looks on in horror at your medical system. I doubt Obama's plan could be any worse. I am apalled. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 5:48 AM To: ProFox Mailing List Subject: [OT] Death Panels do exist http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/18/free-market_death_panel s_97922.html ( -or- http://bit.ly/11qhlD ) -- Ed Leafe [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/005e01ca2095$2d6dffc0$8849ff...@com.au ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Death Panels do exist
You're not only appalled, you're an idiot. If anybody thinks that the US Government can manage health care when they have done a dismal job with The Post Office Medicare Medicaid Amtrak Social Security is out of their minds. Oh yeah, Liberalism is a mental disorder. Obama is already on record saying that people with terminal cancer should not be receiving replacement hips. But what is terminal? If someone has slow-growing cancer and has 5 years to live, they shouldn't receive replacement hips or knees? In the UK the mortality rate for breast cancer is astronomically high because they refuse to pay for cutting-edge chemo. That's not what I want for Americans. --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Death Panels do exist To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 2:20 AM and this is the health system that madagain wants to defend? this is why the rest of the first world looks on in horror at your medical system. I doubt Obama's plan could be any worse. I am apalled. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 5:48 AM To: ProFox Mailing List Subject: [OT] Death Panels do exist http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/18/free-market_death_panel s_97922.html ( -or- http://bit.ly/11qhlD ) -- Ed Leafe [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/362924.99429...@web31401.mail.mud.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Death Panels do exist
LOL look at the standard the govt has to beat! it is so low that any incompetent disaorganised mob (ie a govt) could do better. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 4:36 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Death Panels do exist You're not only appalled, you're an idiot. If anybody thinks that the US Government can manage health care when they have done a dismal job with The Post Office Medicare Medicaid Amtrak Social Security is out of their minds. Oh yeah, Liberalism is a mental disorder. Obama is already on record saying that people with terminal cancer should not be receiving replacement hips. But what is terminal? If someone has slow-growing cancer and has 5 years to live, they shouldn't receive replacement hips or knees? In the UK the mortality rate for breast cancer is astronomically high because they refuse to pay for cutting-edge chemo. That's not what I want for Americans. --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Death Panels do exist To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 2:20 AM and this is the health system that madagain wants to defend? this is why the rest of the first world looks on in horror at your medical system. I doubt Obama's plan could be any worse. I am apalled. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 5:48 AM To: ProFox Mailing List Subject: [OT] Death Panels do exist http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/18/free-market_death_panel s_97922.html ( -or- http://bit.ly/11qhlD ) -- Ed Leafe [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/007401ca20a5$2f79e210$8e6da6...@com.au ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Death Panels do exist
What's so low? We have the best health care in the world. --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Death Panels do exist To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 4:15 AM LOL look at the standard the govt has to beat! it is so low that any incompetent disaorganised mob (ie a govt) could do better. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 4:36 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Death Panels do exist You're not only appalled, you're an idiot. If anybody thinks that the US Government can manage health care when they have done a dismal job with The Post Office Medicare Medicaid Amtrak Social Security is out of their minds. Oh yeah, Liberalism is a mental disorder. Obama is already on record saying that people with terminal cancer should not be receiving replacement hips. But what is terminal? If someone has slow-growing cancer and has 5 years to live, they shouldn't receive replacement hips or knees? In the UK the mortality rate for breast cancer is astronomically high because they refuse to pay for cutting-edge chemo. That's not what I want for Americans. --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Death Panels do exist To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 2:20 AM and this is the health system that madagain wants to defend? this is why the rest of the first world looks on in horror at your medical system. I doubt Obama's plan could be any worse. I am apalled. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 5:48 AM To: ProFox Mailing List Subject: [OT] Death Panels do exist http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/18/free-market_death_panel s_97922.html ( -or- http://bit.ly/11qhlD ) -- Ed Leafe [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/483927.30573...@web31408.mail.mud.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Death Panels do exist
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Michael Madiganmmadi10...@yahoo.com wrote: What's so low? We have the best health care in the world. Just repeat that often enough and you'll end up believing it A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/a2b0cc710908190124s50bb9c5el328879acf7e78...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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i dont think he even needs to repeat it. he just says it and then believes it. if he tries hard enough he might even be able to say blacks are a good as whites. but i guessing that one might trip him up! -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Jean Laeremans Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 5:54 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Death Panels do exist On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Michael Madiganmmadi10...@yahoo.com wrote: What's so low? We have the best health care in the world. Just repeat that often enough and you'll end up believing it A+ jml [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/008701ca20b1$37c889b0$a7599d...@com.au ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Death Panels do exist
Ok Mr. Pete, Where's the proof of your absurd accusation? Pete Theisen wrote: Ed Leafe wrote: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/18/free-market_death_panels_97922.html ( -or- http://bit.ly/11qhlD ) Hi Ed, Yes, it is true. What the lady doesn't know is that the government program is going to be modeled on the same playbook. The bureaucrats are already working on incentives in various agencies, notably the IRS. So the national health care person would herd you into the slaughterhouse just as surely as the insurance companies are now doing. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4a8bf4c2.3030...@netzero.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Death Panels do exist
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:05 AM, Michael Madiganmmadi10...@yahoo.com wrote: You're not only appalled, you're an idiot. If anybody thinks that the US Government can manage health care when they have done a dismal job with The Post Office Medicare Medicaid Amtrak Social Security -- You forgot FEMA. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer SQL Server DBA Web and Winform Development Independent Contractor Memphis TN 901.246-0159 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/c4313dbe0908190708u1a1aeb07yd32b1bb7bd0cb...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Death Panels do exist
- Original Message - From: Stephen Russell srussell...@gmail.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Death Panels do exist On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:05 AM, Michael Madiganmmadi10...@yahoo.com wrote: You're not only appalled, you're an idiot. If anybody thinks that the US Government can manage health care when they have done a dismal job with The Post Office Medicare Medicaid Amtrak Social Security -- You forgot FEMA. Right on. Think of what FEMA did to New Orleans.. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/018a01ca20f7$2010bfe0$6801a...@dual ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Death Panels do exist
Liberalism is a mental disorder. They can look at FEMA and still want the government to run health care. What's wrong with someone like that? Do they make the same mistakes over and over in their own personal lives too? When faced with the overwhelming amount of data showing that government runs nothing correctly, they still choose government. What's wrong with them? Were they dropped on their head as a child? --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Nicholas Geti ng...@optonline.net wrote: From: Nicholas Geti ng...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [OT] Death Panels do exist To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 1:58 PM - Original Message - From: Stephen Russell srussell...@gmail.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Death Panels do exist On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:05 AM, Michael Madiganmmadi10...@yahoo.com wrote: You're not only appalled, you're an idiot. If anybody thinks that the US Government can manage health care when they have done a dismal job with The Post Office Medicare Medicaid Amtrak Social Security -- You forgot FEMA. Right on. Think of what FEMA did to New Orleans.. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/255081.53823...@web31405.mail.mud.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Death Panels do exist
Philip Borkholder wrote: Ok Mr. Pete, Where's the proof of your absurd accusation? Hi Philip, You are the one who didn't read the last link, I guess you didn't read this one either. Nothing I could show you would open your closed mind, you will just have to wait until it happens to you. Pete Theisen wrote: Ed Leafe wrote: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/18/free-market_death_panels_97922.html ( -or- http://bit.ly/11qhlD ) Hi Ed, Yes, it is true. What the lady doesn't know is that the government program is going to be modeled on the same playbook. The bureaucrats are already working on incentives in various agencies, notably the IRS. So the national health care person would herd you into the slaughterhouse just as surely as the insurance companies are now doing. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4a8c8a9f.8090...@verizon.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] Death Panels do exist
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/18/free-market_death_panels_97922.html ( -or- http://bit.ly/11qhlD ) -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/c8bd9f87-e612-407c-8947-e4953f590...@leafe.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Death Panels do exist
Ed Leafe wrote: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/18/free-market_death_panels_97922.html ( -or- http://bit.ly/11qhlD ) Hi Ed, Yes, it is true. What the lady doesn't know is that the government program is going to be modeled on the same playbook. The bureaucrats are already working on incentives in various agencies, notably the IRS. So the national health care person would herd you into the slaughterhouse just as surely as the insurance companies are now doing. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4a8b1a8d.40...@verizon.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Death Panels do exist
I don't like people deciding who lives and who dies. Some of these ethicists believe that a 40 yo illegal alien is more worthy of health care than a 75 yo. WTF? --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Pete Theisen petethei...@verizon.net wrote: From: Pete Theisen petethei...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [OT] Death Panels do exist To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 5:18 PM Ed Leafe wrote: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/18/free-market_death_panels_97922.html ( -or- http://bit.ly/11qhlD ) Hi Ed, Yes, it is true. What the lady doesn't know is that the government program is going to be modeled on the same playbook. The bureaucrats are already working on incentives in various agencies, notably the IRS. So the national health care person would herd you into the slaughterhouse just as surely as the insurance companies are now doing. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/68502.94578...@web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
