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Johm Weller said Just going through my emails on my return from visiting my mother ... just got *back* to Manchester after ditto - 45mpg in my Audi A6 oilburner** - 120 miles of motorway driving and I was clearly reminded of why I chose an older bigger car instead of a newer smaller one! ** http://www.roadfly.com/cars/images/stories/car_reviews_2006/2006-audi-a6-avant.jpg Andrew Davies MBCS CITP - AndyD 8-)# ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] with any queries. ** ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Andy, Can't beat an oil burner. I've just had the X-Type Jag for 6 months and have averaged 52.3 mpg for the entire period. At times cruising at 70 on the motorway it settles at about 62mpg which is excellent. I'd NEVER go back to petrol. Dave Crozier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Davies Sent: 03 April 2007 09:27 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles Johm Weller said Just going through my emails on my return from visiting my mother ... just got *back* to Manchester after ditto - 45mpg in my Audi A6 oilburner** - 120 miles of motorway driving and I was clearly reminded of why I chose an older bigger car instead of a newer smaller one! ** http://www.roadfly.com/cars/images/stories/car_reviews_2006/2006-audi-a6-ava nt.jpg Andrew Davies MBCS CITP - AndyD 8-)# ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] with any queries. ** [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Which is 75% tax as I said. However we've gone OT so 'nuff said. John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chet Gardiner Sent: 01 April 2007 21:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles Fact Checking, as usual it's not as simple as a sound bite: 15% VAT tax (think sales tax) 60% Duty 20% Refiner 5% Retailer ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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About 75% I think. John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 01 April 2007 03:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles That's criminal to pay that much. How much of that is taxes? --- John Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just going through my emails on my return from visiting my mother in Manchester. A journey that returned 44 mpg in my Toyota Avensis - which is just as well as we are paying nearly $2 per litre for petrol, nearly $9 per UK gallon. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Michael Madigan wrote: That's criminal to pay that much. How much of that is taxes? It could be healthcare, schools, roads, and housing. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 A good way to judge people is by observing how they treat those who can do them absolutely no good. ---Unknown http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/741 - Release Date: 3/31/2007 8:54 PM ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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It sure as hell isn't roads! It mainly goes to support inefficient French farmers and un-elected European bureaucrats. However - we digress and go OT so I'll leave it at that. I only really wanted to brag about the mpg I'm getting from my new car g. John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen the Cook Sent: 01 April 2007 13:17 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles Michael Madigan wrote: That's criminal to pay that much. How much of that is taxes? It could be healthcare, schools, roads, and housing. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Absolutely disgusting. --- John Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About 75% I think. John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 01 April 2007 03:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles That's criminal to pay that much. How much of that is taxes? --- John Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just going through my emails on my return from visiting my mother in Manchester. A journey that returned 44 mpg in my Toyota Avensis - which is just as well as we are paying nearly $2 per litre for petrol, nearly $9 per UK gallon. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Fact Checking, as usual it's not as simple as a sound bite: 15% VAT tax (think sales tax) 60% Duty 20% Refiner 5% Retailer http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/world/2000/world_fuel_crisis/933648.stm Fuel duty is higher in the UK than most other EU countries but the full basket of motoring taxes, including fuel duty, purchase tax, VED and road tolls, is *about average*. (Commission for Integrated Transport 2001) In 2003 bus and coach fares in the UK were 34 per cent higher and rail fares 36 per cent higher in real terms than in 1980. Over the same period, the cost of motoring decreased by 9 per cent despite a 7 per cent increase in fuel costs. Over the same period average household disposable income has gone up by 90 per cent. (Department for Transport Transport Trends 2004) Since 1975 the cost of owning and running a car (taking into account purchase, maintenance, petrol, tax and insurance) has fallen by 11 per cent in real terms while rail and bus fares have climbed 70 and 66 per cent respectively. (Department for Transport 2005) Since Labour came to power in 1997, motoring is 6 per cent cheaper in real terms (taking into account purchase, maintenance, petrol, tax and insurance), while bus fares have risen almost 16 per cent and a rail ticket is 7 per cent more expensive than in 1997. (Department for Transport 2005) clip Tax on fuel is a general revenue raiser for all governments. It contributes to the whole range of government spending, including education, health care, social security, the police, etc. Similarly Vehicle Excise Duty is also a general revenue raiser. It does not pay for roads. (Transport 2000 2005) The external costs of motoring, including congestion, road maintenance, air pollution, road crashes, noise and climate change, average 21p/mile, rising to £1/mile in London. (Institute of Transport Studies, Leeds) This figure is likely to underplay the effects of climate change. http://www.transport2000.org.uk/news/maintainNewsArticles.asp?NewsArticleID=242 I suspect that the tax on petrol in Britain still doesn't cover the environmental and health costs of burning fossil fuels... Michael Madigan wrote: Absolutely disgusting. --- John Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About 75% I think. John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Way too low in the U.S. http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/statistics/gas_taxes_by_state_2002.html Michael Madigan wrote: Absolutely disgusting. --- John Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About 75% I think. John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 01 April 2007 03:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles That's criminal to pay that much. How much of that is taxes? --- John Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just going through my emails on my return from visiting my mother in Manchester. A journey that returned 44 mpg in my Toyota Avensis - which is just as well as we are paying nearly $2 per litre for petrol, nearly $9 per UK gallon. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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No such thing as taxes that are too low. --- Chet Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Way too low in the U.S. http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/statistics/gas_taxes_by_state_2002.html Michael Madigan wrote: Absolutely disgusting. --- John Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About 75% I think. John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 01 April 2007 03:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles That's criminal to pay that much. How much of that is taxes? --- John Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just going through my emails on my return from visiting my mother in Manchester. A journey that returned 44 mpg in my Toyota Avensis - which is just as well as we are paying nearly $2 per litre for petrol, nearly $9 per UK gallon. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Just going through my emails on my return from visiting my mother in Manchester. A journey that returned 44 mpg in my Toyota Avensis - which is just as well as we are paying nearly $2 per litre for petrol, nearly $9 per UK gallon. John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 You heard it here first. I predict $4 per gallon gas by the end of '07. I predict $6+ per gallon by the time of the next inauguration in '09 (with a slight dip in the weeks before the '08 election so the oil companies can try to elect a republican again). Gasoline will be well over $15 per gallon by 2020. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox|[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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That's criminal to pay that much. How much of that is taxes? --- John Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just going through my emails on my return from visiting my mother in Manchester. A journey that returned 44 mpg in my Toyota Avensis - which is just as well as we are paying nearly $2 per litre for petrol, nearly $9 per UK gallon. John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 You heard it here first. I predict $4 per gallon gas by the end of '07. I predict $6+ per gallon by the time of the next inauguration in '09 (with a slight dip in the weeks before the '08 election so the oil companies can try to elect a republican again). Gasoline will be well over $15 per gallon by 2020. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox|[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Thursday 29 March 2007 1:33 pm, Chet Gardiner wrote: Not when you don't have to factor in the cost of a bloated military to insure that we continue get OUR cheap oil... ;-) Also neither the environmental cost nor the health costs of burning petroleum in cars and trucks are paid for in the cost of OUR gasoline... Europe was stupid enough to invest in a great inter-city rail system including in many cases high-speed rail. The great cities of Europe are also laid out in such a way that most of the time one doesn't need a car around town either...silly Europeans. I'd rather travel by rail and Metro in Europe than by air OR motor vehicle anywhere else. Hi Chet! Dang! Sounds like a plan. Move to Europe and be rid of all the repukes and depukes. They get profox in Europe so you won't miss anything. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Depends on altitude/relative density of the atmosphere. -- Regards Michael. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Depends on altitude/relative density of the atmosphere. Hence 'or there abouts'... -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Michael, That's why it is impossible to have a boiled egg when you are climbing Everest. One good reason why I don't want to go. BG Dave Crozier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hawksworth Sent: 30 March 2007 14:48 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles Depends on altitude/relative density of the atmosphere. -- Regards Michael. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Sheep! (-- [OT]) ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Mar 30, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Dave Crozier wrote: That's why it is impossible to have a boiled egg when you are climbing Everest. One good reason why I don't want to go. BG Boil 'em before starting the climb. Makes the eggs a bit more durable, too. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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That's why it is impossible to have a boiled egg when you are climbing Everest. What happens to a boiled egg when you climb Everest? :-) -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Dave Crozier wrote: Michael, That's why it is impossible to have a boiled egg when you are climbing Everest. One good reason why I don't want to go. BG Can't you simply boil the egg BEFORE you go, and keep it warm in a vacuum container? :-) ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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I wonder what they taste like frozen (easier than boiling and more lasting!)? Bit chewy? BAAA ;) -- Regards Michael. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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The egg can never cook because the water boils at about 91 degrees. Hence SNOTTY eggs! Dave Crozier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derek Kalweit Sent: 30 March 2007 15:07 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles That's why it is impossible to have a boiled egg when you are climbing Everest. What happens to a boiled egg when you climb Everest? :-) -- Derek [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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That's why it is impossible to have a boiled egg when you are climbing Everest. The egg can never cook because the water boils at about 91 degrees. Hence SNOTTY eggs! The post says have, not cook... -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Dave Crozier wrote: The egg can never cook because the water boils at about 91 degrees. Hence SNOTTY eggs! How can I tell it's Friday afternoon ;-) Peter ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Peter, A good tip is look at the calendar. BG Alternatively come into work tomorrow morning - if nobody else is around then you know that it WAS Friday yesterday! Dave Crozier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Cushing Sent: 30 March 2007 15:49 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles Dave Crozier wrote: The egg can never cook because the water boils at about 91 degrees. Hence SNOTTY eggs! How can I tell it's Friday afternoon ;-) Peter [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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1. The Electric motor in general is nearly 90% efficient. The gasoline engine is 30% and the engine that generates the electricty? 40% - 60% at best (in a combined power/heat setup, but they're rare). Then the *best* chargers are around 85% efficient; say 45% overall *at best*. 2. The Tesla uses no gasoline, The gasoline (or equivalent) is used by the power station just electric and batteries. When you charge batteries, they don't get heavier. True - they're just *very* heavy to start with When you fill up a car, it gets heavier. True - around 100lbs for a full tank? 3. Battery technology has gotten much better lately. For automotive use you are pretty much restricted to lead/ acid batteries - I don't beleive that technology has improved much in the last 100 years! 4. The Tesla is using secret technology that they're either trying to patent or have patented. A more efficient use of power. Ah! - the old 'secret technology' argument. Like perpetual motion, frictionless bearings, the secret of the pyramids, the power of crystals, something for nothing... Andrew Davies MBCS CITP - AndyD 8-)# ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] with any queries. ** ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Detroit is also developing the same technology. of course thay are - they would hardly ignore all that 'non-polluting engines' pork! Andrew Davies MBCS CITP - AndyD 8-)# ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] with any queries. ** ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Chet said: I predict $4 per gallon gas by the end of '07. I make that around £0.54 / litre - we're paying around twice that in the UK - most of europe is comparable. Andrew Davies MBCS CITP - AndyD 8-)# ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] with any queries. ** ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Yeah, but driving cross-country is about 100 miles. Here it's thousands! JH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Davies Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:27 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles Chet said: I predict $4 per gallon gas by the end of '07. I make that around £0.54 / litre - we're paying around twice that in the UK - most of europe is comparable. Andrew Davies MBCS CITP - AndyD 8-)# ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] with any queries. ** [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 3/29/07, john harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but driving cross-country is about 100 miles. Here it's thousands! May i suggest that when you're travelling thousands of miles a car might not be the appropriate mode of transport ? A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Recycle aspects of batteries is a big business. I tried to do a custom app for one who works with forklifts. They only wanted to pay 1000. in total. Said replacing their novel 3.12 box was getting expensive as well as this new program. LOL! Yeah, we just had a company who makes over a million/yr tell us that our $7k FabMate proposal was too expensive for them. g $1M gross income isn't always that much money... Depends on # of employees, cost of other expenses, etc. -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Derek Kalweit wrote: $1M gross income isn't always that much money... Depends on # of employees, cost of other expenses, etc. True...true -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Not when you don't have to factor in the cost of a bloated military to insure that we continue get OUR cheap oil... ;-) Also neither the environmental cost nor the health costs of burning petroleum in cars and trucks are paid for in the cost of OUR gasoline... Europe was stupid enough to invest in a great inter-city rail system including in many cases high-speed rail. The great cities of Europe are also laid out in such a way that most of the time one doesn't need a car around town either...silly Europeans. I'd rather travel by rail and Metro in Europe than by air OR motor vehicle anywhere else. Jean Laeremans wrote: On 3/29/07, john harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but driving cross-country is about 100 miles. Here it's thousands! May i suggest that when you're travelling thousands of miles a car might not be the appropriate mode of transport ? A+ jml [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 3/29/07, Chet Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Europe was stupid enough to invest in a great inter-city rail system including in many cases high-speed rail. The great cities of Europe are also laid out in such a way that most of the time one doesn't need a car around town either...silly Europeans. I'd rather travel by rail and Metro in Europe than by air OR motor vehicle anywhere else. Chet, why are you moving to Tuscon instead of Europe? Seems you like everything there better... -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Chet, why are you moving to Tuscon instead of Europe? Seems you like everything there better... There are terrorists over there, cuz they do not have a wonderful leader like our very own, home grown g, GW Bush to save them. Hence, it is unsafe to be in Europe, anywhere else in fact other than our safe USA. I thought the spelling of Chet's destination city was Tucson, not Tuscon. One of my company names has Phoenix (likely pronounced Pa-Hoe-Nix, heh-heh) in it, and someone actually spelled it out as Fheenix the other year, believing he had the spelling correct g. Funny place, Arizona, with all of its strange spellings Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Derek Kalweit Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 2:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles On 3/29/07, Chet Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Europe was stupid enough to invest in a great inter-city rail system including in many cases high-speed rail. The great cities of Europe are also laid out in such a way that most of the time one doesn't need a car around town either...silly Europeans. I'd rather travel by rail and Metro in Europe than by air OR motor vehicle anywhere else. Chet, why are you moving to Tuscon instead of Europe? Seems you like everything there better... -- Derek [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Chet, why are you moving to Tuscon instead of Europe? Seems you like everything there better... There are terrorists over there, cuz they do not have a wonderful leader like our very own, home grown g, GW Bush to save them. Hence, it is unsafe to be in Europe, anywhere else in fact other than our safe USA. I How about GWB's buddy Tony Blair? thought the spelling of Chet's destination city was Tucson, not Tuscon. One Ah, yes. One of those far-off cities in the desert with a temperature slightly cooler than hell... -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Where do you read that??? Silly Derek... Derek Kalweit wrote: On 3/29/07, Chet Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Europe was stupid enough to invest in a great inter-city rail system including in many cases high-speed rail. The great cities of Europe are also laid out in such a way that most of the time one doesn't need a car around town either...silly Europeans. I'd rather travel by rail and Metro in Europe than by air OR motor vehicle anywhere else. Chet, why are you moving to Tuscon instead of Europe? Seems you like everything there better... ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Tucson Average Temperatures Jan: 51.3 Feb: 54.4 Mar: 58.7 Apr: 65.8 May: 74 Jun: 83.8 Jul: 86.6 Aug: 84.5 Sep: 80.4 Oct: 70.4 Nov: 70.4 Dec: 52 Chet Comfort Zone: 85% to 100% F Ambient I'm worried about the cold winters though. Europe's too cold... As for the spelling: think Tuck Son Derek Kalweit wrote: thought the spelling of Chet's destination city was Tucson, not Tuscon. One Ah, yes. One of those far-off cities in the desert with a temperature slightly cooler than hell... ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Tucson Average Temperatures Jun: 83.8 Jul: 86.6 Aug: 84.5 Yep, which means 90's and 100's during the day, eh? Avg highs: June: 100º july: 99º August: 97º Overall high: 117º Chet Comfort Zone: 85% to 100% F Ambient I guess that's why we have people living over the whole earth-- some like it hot, some like it cold... I prefer 50's-70's most of the time. with colder acceptable in the winter... I'm worried about the cold winters though. Make sure you get a heavy...sweater. As for the spelling: think Tuck Son Yes. Too-son/Tuck-son. -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Andy Davies wrote: Chet said: I predict $4 per gallon gas by the end of '07. I make that around £0.54 / litre - we're paying around twice that in the UK - most of europe is comparable. Lucky me, we are paying around U$ 0.50/Litre. And still we complain! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Derek Kalweit wrote: Tucson Average Temperatures Jun: 83.8 Jul: 86.6 Aug: 84.5 Yep, which means 90's and 100's during the day, eh? Avg highs: June: 100º july: 99º August: 97º Overall high: 117º Wow! You really have high temperatures over there. Around here water boils at 100°. Chet Comfort Zone: 85% to 100% F Ambient I guess that's why we have people living over the whole earth-- some like it hot, some like it cold... I prefer 50's-70's most of the time. with colder acceptable in the winter... I'm worried about the cold winters though. Make sure you get a heavy...sweater. As for the spelling: think Tuck Son Yes. Too-son/Tuck-son. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Chet Gardiner wrote: Tucson Average Temperatures Jan: 51.3 Feb: 54.4 Mar: 58.7 Apr: 65.8 May: 74 Jun: 83.8 Jul: 86.6 Aug: 84.5 Sep: 80.4 Oct: 70.4 Nov: 70.4 Dec: 52 Chet Comfort Zone: 85% to 100% F Ambient I'm worried about the cold winters though. Europe's too cold... The altitude is what is the benefit of living in Tucson, AZ. As I remember it's around 3,000 ft where Phoenix is 1,200 or so. The air temp is 100+ but it's not hot. 112 it starts to get hot. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 A good way to judge people is by observing how they treat those who can do them absolutely no good. ---Unknown http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.22/739 - Release Date: 3/29/2007 1:36 PM ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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You got that right. Tucson downtown is at about 2600' -- then there's where the rich folks live up the mountain -- much higher... They had one storm last winter with about 2 of snow that stuck on the ground (and took out a LOT of foliage). But I can always head south into Mexico for the winter... :-) Stephen the Cook wrote: Chet Gardiner wrote: Tucson Average Temperatures Jan: 51.3 Feb: 54.4 Mar: 58.7 Apr: 65.8 May: 74 Jun: 83.8 Jul: 86.6 Aug: 84.5 Sep: 80.4 Oct: 70.4 Nov: 70.4 Dec: 52 Chet Comfort Zone: 85% to 100% F Ambient I'm worried about the cold winters though. Europe's too cold... The altitude is what is the benefit of living in Tucson, AZ. As I remember it's around 3,000 ft where Phoenix is 1,200 or so. The air temp is 100+ but it's not hot. 112 it starts to get hot. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 A good way to judge people is by observing how they treat those who can do them absolutely no good. ---Unknown http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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unsubscribe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mrgmhale Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 8:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles My SUV (2005 Suzuki XL-7, excellent vehicle, less than 19,000 miles on it) gets about 17mpg around town, and 20mpg on the open highway. I am a fairly conservative driver. So (excluding increasing fuel prices over the next 50+ years) the Tesla, in my case, will not pay for itself by the time I am about 125 years old. But, if I purchase a Tesla using funds acquired from the rampant increase in housing values in SoCal (yes, the market will come back, it always does) then what is it to me? The very idea of a relatively simple 70 pound electric motor being able to propel that vehicle as efficiently (and quickly) as it does, as compared to a complex air-fuel burning engine that weighs several hundred pounds, is very appealing to me from a pure technical perspective. It would be like me riding around in one the the slot cars I used to have as a kid (my favorite was a Coke Bottle Cheeta side-winder model), except a bit larger and far faster (and much more costly). The logic circuits to manage the distribution of electrical power must be quite complex, and very interesting unto itself as well. I wonder what kind of specs can be uploaded from the machine's computer systems onto a laptop. Oooo00, I really am feeling the love here, folks! Gil Depending on what you drive -- SUV at 10mpg - $2100/year -- only about 49 years and it's paid for :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chet Gardiner Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 3:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Energy efficient vehicles Depending on what you drive -- SUV at 10mpg - $2100/year -- only about 49 years and it's paid for :-) mrgmhale wrote: ?!?!? Wowis that for real? Oh yes, it is for real. I just told Lynda I wold like to have one of them puppies! I figure if I hold onto the California house for about another 5 years I can cut it loose, then use a fraction of the proceeds to get me one of them thar' 0-60mph in 4 seconds itty bitty monsters! My price for a 2008 model with the options my heart desires comes in at $97,000, plus State Sales Tax of 8%, delivery charge, and out0of0area surcharge of another $8,000. But look at how much I will save in not using gasoline for the 7,000 miles per year I drive on average! Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Energy efficient vehicles Chet Gardiner wrote: Cute. Here's a real energy efficient vehicle: http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1 ?!?!? Wowis that for real? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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1. The Electric motor in general is nearly 90% efficient. The gasoline engine is 30% 2. The Tesla uses no gasoline, just electric and batteries. When you charge batteries, they don't get heavier. When you fill up a car, it gets heavier. 3. Battery technology has gotten much better lately. 4. The Tesla is using secret technology that they're either trying to patent or have patented. A more efficient use of power. --- Andy Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it is six times as efficient and produces one-tenth the pollution, all while achieving the same performance and acceleration dream on - I just don't trust their figures - why are their vehicle efficiency figures better than three times the opposition, *and* their well-to-wheel figures better than two times? And gas extraction, pumping, gas turbine (presumed) efficiency loss, electrical tranformer/ transmission/ transformer losses give an overall 52.5% efficiency? - I would take a lot of convincing, and that's well-to-battery-charger. Then their mileage is quoted as 110 Wh/km - I assume that's watt-hours/kilometer: say 0.177 kw-h/mile - at 60mph that's 10.6kw/hour - say 14 horsepower, not exactly earth shaking! I'll say it again sigh an electric (battery) car has *got* to be less efficient and therefore more polluting than one that runs on the fuel you use to generate the electricity to charge the batteries, and that's before you factor in the energy cost of lugging the batteries around - not my opinion, the laws of physics. Andrew Davies MBCS CITP - AndyD 8-)# ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] with any queries. ** ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Michael Madigan wrote: 1. The Electric motor in general is nearly 90% efficient. The gasoline engine is 30% 2. The Tesla uses no gasoline, just electric and batteries. When you charge batteries, they don't get heavier. When you fill up a car, it gets heavier. 3. Battery technology has gotten much better lately. 4. The Tesla is using secret technology that they're either trying to patent or have patented. A more efficient use of power. Would it be safe to say that Big Oil and Detroit are going to do whatever they can to suppress Tesla and others like them? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Would it be safe to say that Big Oil and Detroit are going to do whatever they can to suppress Tesla and others like them? Detroit? What year do you think this is? ;-) I'd say the Tesla's price will be restrictive enough to keep wide-spread adoption. Maybe once they figure out a way to make it more affordable(at least $50k)... -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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No, because Detroit is also developing the same technology. --- MB Software Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Madigan wrote: 1. The Electric motor in general is nearly 90% efficient. The gasoline engine is 30% 2. The Tesla uses no gasoline, just electric and batteries. When you charge batteries, they don't get heavier. When you fill up a car, it gets heavier. 3. Battery technology has gotten much better lately. 4. The Tesla is using secret technology that they're either trying to patent or have patented. A more efficient use of power. Would it be safe to say that Big Oil and Detroit are going to do whatever they can to suppress Tesla and others like them? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles
They're going to be making a sedan that will be under 50k I think they want to make a splash with a high-performance car and sell those cars to celebrities with high profiles. --- Derek Kalweit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be safe to say that Big Oil and Detroit are going to do whatever they can to suppress Tesla and others like them? Detroit? What year do you think this is? ;-) I'd say the Tesla's price will be restrictive enough to keep wide-spread adoption. Maybe once they figure out a way to make it more affordable(at least $50k)... -- Derek ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles
At least Elvis is still here. --- Vince Teachout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Davies wrote: unsubscribe Darcy White has just left the mailing list! Oh No ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles
You heard it here first. I predict $4 per gallon gas by the end of '07. I predict $6+ per gallon by the time of the next inauguration in '09 (with a slight dip in the weeks before the '08 election so the oil companies can try to elect a republican again). Gasoline will be well over $15 per gallon by 2020. mrgmhale wrote: My SUV (2005 Suzuki XL-7, excellent vehicle, less than 19,000 miles on it) gets about 17mpg around town, and 20mpg on the open highway. I am a fairly conservative driver. So (excluding increasing fuel prices over the next 50+ years) the Tesla, in my case, will not pay for itself by the time I am about 125 years old. But, if I purchase a Tesla using funds acquired from the rampant increase in housing values in SoCal (yes, the market will come back, it always does) then what is it to me? The very idea of a relatively simple 70 pound electric motor being able to propel that vehicle as efficiently (and quickly) as it does, as compared to a complex air-fuel burning engine that weighs several hundred pounds, is very appealing to me from a pure technical perspective. It would be like me riding around in one the the slot cars I used to have as a kid (my favorite was a Coke Bottle Cheeta side-winder model), except a bit larger and far faster (and much more costly). The logic circuits to manage the distribution of electrical power must be quite complex, and very interesting unto itself as well. I wonder what kind of specs can be uploaded from the machine's computer systems onto a laptop. Oooo00, I really am feeling the love here, folks! Gil Depending on what you drive -- SUV at 10mpg - $2100/year -- only about 49 years and it's paid for :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chet Gardiner Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 3:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Energy efficient vehicles Depending on what you drive -- SUV at 10mpg - $2100/year -- only about 49 years and it's paid for :-) mrgmhale wrote: ?!?!? Wowis that for real? Oh yes, it is for real. I just told Lynda I wold like to have one of them puppies! I figure if I hold onto the California house for about another 5 years I can cut it loose, then use a fraction of the proceeds to get me one of them thar' 0-60mph in 4 seconds itty bitty monsters! My price for a 2008 model with the options my heart desires comes in at $97,000, plus State Sales Tax of 8%, delivery charge, and out0of0area surcharge of another $8,000. But look at how much I will save in not using gasoline for the 7,000 miles per year I drive on average! Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Energy efficient vehicles Chet Gardiner wrote: Cute. Here's a real energy efficient vehicle: http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1 ?!?!? Wowis that for real? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles
Yes, and you're predictions are so uncannily accurate let's see: Karl Rove would be indicted Gen Haden would be indicted George Bush would be indicted Dick cheney would be indicted http://leafe.com/archives/showMsg/310073 Looks like you went 0 for 4. I better start stocking up on my $15.00 / gallon gasoline Yep, they all came out --- Chet Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You heard it here first. I predict $4 per gallon gas by the end of '07. I predict $6+ per gallon by the time of the next inauguration in '09 (with a slight dip in the weeks before the '08 election so the oil companies can try to elect a republican again). Gasoline will be well over $15 per gallon by 2020. mrgmhale wrote: My SUV (2005 Suzuki XL-7, excellent vehicle, less than 19,000 miles on it) gets about 17mpg around town, and 20mpg on the open highway. I am a fairly conservative driver. So (excluding increasing fuel prices over the next 50+ years) the Tesla, in my case, will not pay for itself by the time I am about 125 years old. But, if I purchase a Tesla using funds acquired from the rampant increase in housing values in SoCal (yes, the market will come back, it always does) then what is it to me? The very idea of a relatively simple 70 pound electric motor being able to propel that vehicle as efficiently (and quickly) as it does, as compared to a complex air-fuel burning engine that weighs several hundred pounds, is very appealing to me from a pure technical perspective. It would be like me riding around in one the the slot cars I used to have as a kid (my favorite was a Coke Bottle Cheeta side-winder model), except a bit larger and far faster (and much more costly). The logic circuits to manage the distribution of electrical power must be quite complex, and very interesting unto itself as well. I wonder what kind of specs can be uploaded from the machine's computer systems onto a laptop. Oooo00, I really am feeling the love here, folks! Gil Depending on what you drive -- SUV at 10mpg - $2100/year -- only about 49 years and it's paid for :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chet Gardiner Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 3:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Energy efficient vehicles Depending on what you drive -- SUV at 10mpg - $2100/year -- only about 49 years and it's paid for :-) mrgmhale wrote: ?!?!? Wowis that for real? Oh yes, it is for real. I just told Lynda I wold like to have one of them puppies! I figure if I hold onto the California house for about another 5 years I can cut it loose, then use a fraction of the proceeds to get me one of them thar' 0-60mph in 4 seconds itty bitty monsters! My price for a 2008 model with the options my heart desires comes in at $97,000, plus State Sales Tax of 8%, delivery charge, and out0of0area surcharge of another $8,000. But look at how much I will save in not using gasoline for the 7,000 miles per year I drive on average! Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Energy efficient vehicles Chet Gardiner wrote: Cute. Here's a real energy efficient vehicle: http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1 ?!?!? Wowis that for real? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles
Michael Madigan wrote: 1. The Electric motor in general is nearly 90% efficient. The gasoline engine is 30% 2. The Tesla uses no gasoline, just electric and batteries. When you charge batteries, they don't get heavier. When you fill up a car, it gets heavier. 3. Battery technology has gotten much better lately. 4. The Tesla is using secret technology that they're either trying to patent or have patented. A more efficient use of power. Recycle aspects of batteries is a big business. I tried to do a custom app for one who works with forklifts. They only wanted to pay 1000. in total. Said replacing their novel 3.12 box was getting expensive as well as this new program. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 A good way to judge people is by observing how they treat those who can do them absolutely no good. ---Unknown http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/736 - Release Date: 3/27/2007 4:38 PM ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles
Stephen the Cook wrote: Michael Madigan wrote: 1. The Electric motor in general is nearly 90% efficient. The gasoline engine is 30% 2. The Tesla uses no gasoline, just electric and batteries. When you charge batteries, they don't get heavier. When you fill up a car, it gets heavier. 3. Battery technology has gotten much better lately. 4. The Tesla is using secret technology that they're either trying to patent or have patented. A more efficient use of power. Recycle aspects of batteries is a big business. I tried to do a custom app for one who works with forklifts. They only wanted to pay 1000. in total. Said replacing their novel 3.12 box was getting expensive as well as this new program. Wow $1000.00 is only a weeks worth of work. I take it you didn't do the job? Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 A good way to judge people is by observing how they treat those who can do them absolutely no good. ---Unknown http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles
Actually, I think I'm still in. :) Darcy Whyte Computer Systems Analyst Interactive Web Systems Database Systems [E]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [T]: +1 [613] 563-3634 [F]: +1 [613] 563-3634 [C]: +1 [613] 563-3634 [W]: www.Siteware.com Ottawa, Ontario, Canada N 45? 25'03.1 W 75? 42'21.4 Dance Calendar: www.JumpSocial.com Blog: www.JumpSocial.com/blog Model Planes: www.Rubber-Power.com Blog: www.Rubber-Power.com/blog Pictures: www.Siteware.com/pictures Online Resume: www.JumpSocial.com/Darcy -Original Message- From: Andy Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles unsubscribe Darcy White has just left the mailing list! Andrew Davies MBCS CITP - AndyD 8-)# ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] with any queries. ** --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles
There goes the neighbourhood. :) ;) -Original Message- From: MB Software Solutions [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles Andy Davies wrote: unsubscribe Darcy White has just left the mailing list! There wasn't enough policing/moderation in place! eg -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles
Welcome back! -Kevin CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of FoxForward 2007 foxforward.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I think I'm still in. :) ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles
Chet Gardiner wrote: You heard it here first. I predict $4 per gallon gas by the end of '07. I predict $6+ per gallon by the time of the next inauguration in '09 (with a slight dip in the weeks before the '08 election so the oil companies can try to elect a republican again). Gasoline will be well over $15 per gallon by 2020. Nope...I'll take that bet. g -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles
Stephen the Cook wrote: Recycle aspects of batteries is a big business. I tried to do a custom app for one who works with forklifts. They only wanted to pay 1000. in total. Said replacing their novel 3.12 box was getting expensive as well as this new program. LOL! Yeah, we just had a company who makes over a million/yr tell us that our $7k FabMate proposal was too expensive for them. g -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles
Eugene Vital wrote: Stephen the Cook wrote: Michael Madigan wrote: 1. The Electric motor in general is nearly 90% efficient. The gasoline engine is 30% 2. The Tesla uses no gasoline, just electric and batteries. When you charge batteries, they don't get heavier. When you fill up a car, it gets heavier. 3. Battery technology has gotten much better lately. 4. The Tesla is using secret technology that they're either trying to patent or have patented. A more efficient use of power. Recycle aspects of batteries is a big business. I tried to do a custom app for one who works with forklifts. They only wanted to pay 1000. in total. Said replacing their novel 3.12 box was getting expensive as well as this new program. Wow $1000.00 is only a weeks worth of work. I take it you didn't do the job? Wink Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 A good way to judge people is by observing how they treat those who can do them absolutely no good. ---Unknown http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/736 - Release Date: 3/27/2007 4:38 PM ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] - RE: Energy efficient vehicles
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There goes the neighbourhood. :) Isn't this the same Darcy from the prior list? Or am I confused :) Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 A good way to judge people is by observing how they treat those who can do them absolutely no good. ---Unknown http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/736 - Release Date: 3/27/2007 4:38 PM ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
