Re: VFP Advanced (was Fwd: RE: Fatal error issuing CALCULATE command)

2019-11-22 Thread Eric Selje
/Side by Side/

The important thing to remember is that VFPA *is* VFP9. It's not a
different product at all. So everything is going to work pretty much the
exact same except those places where he explicitly inserted code fixes.
99.9% is the same code.

Eric

On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 12:43 PM MB Software Solutions, LLC <
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:

> On 11/22/2019 1:18 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> > At 15:07 2019-11-21, "MB Software Solutions, LLC"
> >   >> On 11/21/2019 4:34 PM, Eric Selje wrote:
> >
> >
> >>  > The Microsoft of 20 years ago probably would have complained, but
> >> they're a > different company now. Their take is basically "If you
> >> want to modify the > copy of VFP that you paid for, go for it."
> >
> >>  Yeah, the ballmer days (thankfully) are long gone.  That guy sucked.
> >
> >  What did he suck?  Donkey balls?
> >   https://donkeyballstore.com/
> >
> >
>
> I'd be all for sending him a huge pile of dung: https://poopsenders.com/
>
>
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Re: VFP Advanced (was Fwd: RE: Fatal error issuing CALCULATE command)

2019-11-22 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC

On 11/22/2019 1:18 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

At 15:07 2019-11-21, "MB Software Solutions, LLC"
 
On 11/21/2019 4:34 PM, Eric Selje wrote:



 > The Microsoft of 20 years ago probably would have complained, but 
they're a > different company now. Their take is basically "If you 
want to modify the > copy of VFP that you paid for, go for it."



 Yeah, the ballmer days (thankfully) are long gone.  That guy sucked.


 What did he suck?  Donkey balls?
  https://donkeyballstore.com/




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Re: VFP Advanced (was Fwd: RE: Fatal error issuing CALCULATE command)

2019-11-22 Thread Gene Wirchenko

At 15:07 2019-11-21, "MB Software Solutions, LLC"
 
On 11/21/2019 4:34 PM, Eric Selje wrote:



 > The Microsoft of 20 years ago probably would 
have complained, but they're a > different 
company now. Their take is basically "If you 
want to modify the > copy of VFP that you paid for, go for it."



 Yeah, the ballmer days (thankfully) are long gone.  That guy sucked.


 What did he suck?  Donkey balls?
  https://donkeyballstore.com/

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko


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RE: VFP Advanced (was Fwd: RE: Fatal error issuing CALCULATE command)

2019-11-22 Thread Paul H. Tarver
Dang it! 

Paul H. Tarver


-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Tracy
Pearson
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 7:24 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: VFP Advanced (was Fwd: RE: Fatal error issuing CALCULATE
command)

Hi Paul,

You missed Eric's SWFox presentation. 
You can have VFP 9 SP 2, VFP Advanced, and VFP Advanced 64bit running on the
same machine. Eric didn't say you needed to change anything. Here did have
both VFP 9 and Advanced running at the same time.

Tracy


On November 21, 2019 5:09:27 PM EST, "Paul H. Tarver" 
wrote:
>This is going to seem like a stupid question I'm sure but is there a
>way to
>run VFPA (either 32 or 64 bit) in parallel with VFP9?
>
>I'd like to test, but I don't want to mess up my existing development
>environment. Some of the readme files seem to indicate the answer is
>no. 
>
>Paul H. Tarver
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of
>Eric
>Selje
>Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 3:35 PM
>To: profoxt...@leafe.com
>Subject: Re: VFP Advanced (was Fwd: RE: Fatal error issuing CALCULATE
>command)
>
>The Microsoft of 20 years ago probably would have complained, but
>they're a
>different company now. Their take is basically "If you want to modify
>the
>copy of VFP that you paid for, go for it."
>
>VERSION() either returns 10, or not. Almost all of the changes he
>implemented can be turned off with settings for maximum backwards
>compatibility.
>
>On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 2:07 PM MB Software Solutions, LLC <
>mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/21/2019 2:54 PM, Eric Selje wrote:
>> > VFP 10 (or VFP Advanced) is a copy of your licensed copy of VFP9,
>with
>> some
>> > binary patches to fix bugs and add features. There's *also* a
>64-bit
>> > version.
>> >
>> > Yes, I use it every day, along with 1000's of others. My opinion is
>that
>> > there's no reason every VFP developer should not.
>> >
>> > Eric
>>
>>
>> I was surprised that M$ didn't send out a "cease and desist" or some
>> such action for it.  Morally and ethically, there's nothing wrong
>with
>> it from what I can tell, but you recall the HUGE STINK they put up
>when
>> Whil Hentzen was going to show VFP running on WINE.  I can't see the
>> harm in that either, for that matter.  If that increases M$'s VFP
>sales,
>> GREAT!  (Yes, that's laughable to say...cue the quote by BG about
>every
>> time VFP was sold, they lost $20,000 or something on SQL Server
>sales.)
>>
>>
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RE: VFP Advanced (was Fwd: RE: Fatal error issuing CALCULATE command)

2019-11-22 Thread Paul H. Tarver
Actually, I have a virtual machine I could do that on, I was just thinking
it would be easier to do side-by-side comparisons. One thing is certain,
doing the first install on a virtual machine is definitely probably the way
to start as the instructions are a bit vague. :)

Paul H. Tarver

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Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 5:05 PM
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Subject: Re: VFP Advanced (was Fwd: RE: Fatal error issuing CALCULATE
command)

On 11/21/2019 5:09 PM, Paul H. Tarver wrote:
> This is going to seem like a stupid question I'm sure but is there a way
to
> run VFPA (either 32 or 64 bit) in parallel with VFP9?
>
> I'd like to test, but I don't want to mess up my existing development
> environment. Some of the readme files seem to indicate the answer is no.
>
> Paul H. Tarver


Time for that 2nd laptop (Or Virtual Machine), Paul.


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Re: VFP Advanced (was Fwd: RE: Fatal error issuing CALCULATE command)

2019-11-22 Thread Eric Selje
Yep, they don't mess with each other at all unless you have VFPA take over
your file extensions for .app files, etc.

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 7:24 PM Tracy Pearson  wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> You missed Eric's SWFox presentation.
> You can have VFP 9 SP 2, VFP Advanced, and VFP Advanced 64bit running on
> the same machine. Eric didn't say you needed to change anything. Here did
> have both VFP 9 and Advanced running at the same time.
>
> Tracy
>
>
> On November 21, 2019 5:09:27 PM EST, "Paul H. Tarver" 
> wrote:
> >This is going to seem like a stupid question I'm sure but is there a
> >way to
> >run VFPA (either 32 or 64 bit) in parallel with VFP9?
> >
> >I'd like to test, but I don't want to mess up my existing development
> >environment. Some of the readme files seem to indicate the answer is
> >no.
> >
> >Paul H. Tarver
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of
> >Eric
> >Selje
> >Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 3:35 PM
> >To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> >Subject: Re: VFP Advanced (was Fwd: RE: Fatal error issuing CALCULATE
> >command)
> >
> >The Microsoft of 20 years ago probably would have complained, but
> >they're a
> >different company now. Their take is basically "If you want to modify
> >the
> >copy of VFP that you paid for, go for it."
> >
> >VERSION() either returns 10, or not. Almost all of the changes he
> >implemented can be turned off with settings for maximum backwards
> >compatibility.
> >
> >On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 2:07 PM MB Software Solutions, LLC <
> >mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 11/21/2019 2:54 PM, Eric Selje wrote:
> >> > VFP 10 (or VFP Advanced) is a copy of your licensed copy of VFP9,
> >with
> >> some
> >> > binary patches to fix bugs and add features. There's *also* a
> >64-bit
> >> > version.
> >> >
> >> > Yes, I use it every day, along with 1000's of others. My opinion is
> >that
> >> > there's no reason every VFP developer should not.
> >> >
> >> > Eric
> >>
> >>
> >> I was surprised that M$ didn't send out a "cease and desist" or some
> >> such action for it.  Morally and ethically, there's nothing wrong
> >with
> >> it from what I can tell, but you recall the HUGE STINK they put up
> >when
> >> Whil Hentzen was going to show VFP running on WINE.  I can't see the
> >> harm in that either, for that matter.  If that increases M$'s VFP
> >sales,
> >> GREAT!  (Yes, that's laughable to say...cue the quote by BG about
> >every
> >> time VFP was sold, they lost $20,000 or something on SQL Server
> >sales.)
> >>
> >>
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RE: VFP Advanced (was Fwd: RE: Fatal error issuing CALCULATE command)

2019-11-21 Thread Tracy Pearson
Hi Paul,

You missed Eric's SWFox presentation. 
You can have VFP 9 SP 2, VFP Advanced, and VFP Advanced 64bit running on the 
same machine. Eric didn't say you needed to change anything. Here did have both 
VFP 9 and Advanced running at the same time.

Tracy


On November 21, 2019 5:09:27 PM EST, "Paul H. Tarver"  wrote:
>This is going to seem like a stupid question I'm sure but is there a
>way to
>run VFPA (either 32 or 64 bit) in parallel with VFP9?
>
>I'd like to test, but I don't want to mess up my existing development
>environment. Some of the readme files seem to indicate the answer is
>no. 
>
>Paul H. Tarver
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of
>Eric
>Selje
>Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 3:35 PM
>To: profoxt...@leafe.com
>Subject: Re: VFP Advanced (was Fwd: RE: Fatal error issuing CALCULATE
>command)
>
>The Microsoft of 20 years ago probably would have complained, but
>they're a
>different company now. Their take is basically "If you want to modify
>the
>copy of VFP that you paid for, go for it."
>
>VERSION() either returns 10, or not. Almost all of the changes he
>implemented can be turned off with settings for maximum backwards
>compatibility.
>
>On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 2:07 PM MB Software Solutions, LLC <
>mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/21/2019 2:54 PM, Eric Selje wrote:
>> > VFP 10 (or VFP Advanced) is a copy of your licensed copy of VFP9,
>with
>> some
>> > binary patches to fix bugs and add features. There's *also* a
>64-bit
>> > version.
>> >
>> > Yes, I use it every day, along with 1000's of others. My opinion is
>that
>> > there's no reason every VFP developer should not.
>> >
>> > Eric
>>
>>
>> I was surprised that M$ didn't send out a "cease and desist" or some
>> such action for it.  Morally and ethically, there's nothing wrong
>with
>> it from what I can tell, but you recall the HUGE STINK they put up
>when
>> Whil Hentzen was going to show VFP running on WINE.  I can't see the
>> harm in that either, for that matter.  If that increases M$'s VFP
>sales,
>> GREAT!  (Yes, that's laughable to say...cue the quote by BG about
>every
>> time VFP was sold, they lost $20,000 or something on SQL Server
>sales.)
>>
>>
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Re: VFP Advanced (was Fwd: RE: Fatal error issuing CALCULATE command)

2019-11-21 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC

On 11/21/2019 4:34 PM, Eric Selje wrote:

The Microsoft of 20 years ago probably would have complained, but they're a
different company now. Their take is basically "If you want to modify the
copy of VFP that you paid for, go for it."



Yeah, the ballmer days (thankfully) are long gone.  That guy sucked.

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Re: VFP Advanced (was Fwd: RE: Fatal error issuing CALCULATE command)

2019-11-21 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC

On 11/21/2019 5:09 PM, Paul H. Tarver wrote:

This is going to seem like a stupid question I'm sure but is there a way to
run VFPA (either 32 or 64 bit) in parallel with VFP9?

I'd like to test, but I don't want to mess up my existing development
environment. Some of the readme files seem to indicate the answer is no.

Paul H. Tarver



Time for that 2nd laptop (Or Virtual Machine), Paul.


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RE: VFP Advanced (was Fwd: RE: Fatal error issuing CALCULATE command)

2019-11-21 Thread Paul H. Tarver
This is going to seem like a stupid question I'm sure but is there a way to
run VFPA (either 32 or 64 bit) in parallel with VFP9?

I'd like to test, but I don't want to mess up my existing development
environment. Some of the readme files seem to indicate the answer is no. 

Paul H. Tarver


-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Eric
Selje
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 3:35 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: VFP Advanced (was Fwd: RE: Fatal error issuing CALCULATE
command)

The Microsoft of 20 years ago probably would have complained, but they're a
different company now. Their take is basically "If you want to modify the
copy of VFP that you paid for, go for it."

VERSION() either returns 10, or not. Almost all of the changes he
implemented can be turned off with settings for maximum backwards
compatibility.

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 2:07 PM MB Software Solutions, LLC <
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:

> On 11/21/2019 2:54 PM, Eric Selje wrote:
> > VFP 10 (or VFP Advanced) is a copy of your licensed copy of VFP9, with
> some
> > binary patches to fix bugs and add features. There's *also* a 64-bit
> > version.
> >
> > Yes, I use it every day, along with 1000's of others. My opinion is that
> > there's no reason every VFP developer should not.
> >
> > Eric
>
>
> I was surprised that M$ didn't send out a "cease and desist" or some
> such action for it.  Morally and ethically, there's nothing wrong with
> it from what I can tell, but you recall the HUGE STINK they put up when
> Whil Hentzen was going to show VFP running on WINE.  I can't see the
> harm in that either, for that matter.  If that increases M$'s VFP sales,
> GREAT!  (Yes, that's laughable to say...cue the quote by BG about every
> time VFP was sold, they lost $20,000 or something on SQL Server sales.)
>
>
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Re: VFP Advanced (was Fwd: RE: Fatal error issuing CALCULATE command)

2019-11-21 Thread Eric Selje
The Microsoft of 20 years ago probably would have complained, but they're a
different company now. Their take is basically "If you want to modify the
copy of VFP that you paid for, go for it."

VERSION() either returns 10, or not. Almost all of the changes he
implemented can be turned off with settings for maximum backwards
compatibility.

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 2:07 PM MB Software Solutions, LLC <
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:

> On 11/21/2019 2:54 PM, Eric Selje wrote:
> > VFP 10 (or VFP Advanced) is a copy of your licensed copy of VFP9, with
> some
> > binary patches to fix bugs and add features. There's *also* a 64-bit
> > version.
> >
> > Yes, I use it every day, along with 1000's of others. My opinion is that
> > there's no reason every VFP developer should not.
> >
> > Eric
>
>
> I was surprised that M$ didn't send out a "cease and desist" or some
> such action for it.  Morally and ethically, there's nothing wrong with
> it from what I can tell, but you recall the HUGE STINK they put up when
> Whil Hentzen was going to show VFP running on WINE.  I can't see the
> harm in that either, for that matter.  If that increases M$'s VFP sales,
> GREAT!  (Yes, that's laughable to say...cue the quote by BG about every
> time VFP was sold, they lost $20,000 or something on SQL Server sales.)
>
>
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Re: VFP Advanced (was Fwd: RE: Fatal error issuing CALCULATE command)

2019-11-21 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC

On 11/21/2019 2:54 PM, Eric Selje wrote:

VFP 10 (or VFP Advanced) is a copy of your licensed copy of VFP9, with some
binary patches to fix bugs and add features. There's *also* a 64-bit
version.

Yes, I use it every day, along with 1000's of others. My opinion is that
there's no reason every VFP developer should not.

Eric



I was surprised that M$ didn't send out a "cease and desist" or some 
such action for it.  Morally and ethically, there's nothing wrong with 
it from what I can tell, but you recall the HUGE STINK they put up when 
Whil Hentzen was going to show VFP running on WINE.  I can't see the 
harm in that either, for that matter.  If that increases M$'s VFP sales, 
GREAT!  (Yes, that's laughable to say...cue the quote by BG about every 
time VFP was sold, they lost $20,000 or something on SQL Server sales.)



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Re: VFP Advanced (was Fwd: RE: Fatal error issuing CALCULATE command)

2019-11-21 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC

On 11/21/2019 2:54 PM, Eric Selje wrote:

VFP 10 (or VFP Advanced) is a copy of your licensed copy of VFP9, with some
binary patches to fix bugs and add features. There's *also* a 64-bit
version.

Yes, I use it every day, along with 1000's of others. My opinion is that
there's no reason every VFP developer should not.

Eric



Cool.  So it's basically a new set of runtimes and you just redistribute 
those with your apps?  What's the VERSION() value returned?



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Re: VFP Advanced (was Fwd: RE: Fatal error issuing CALCULATE command)

2019-11-21 Thread Eric Selje
VFP 10 (or VFP Advanced) is a copy of your licensed copy of VFP9, with some
binary patches to fix bugs and add features. There's *also* a 64-bit
version.

Yes, I use it every day, along with 1000's of others. My opinion is that
there's no reason every VFP developer should not.

Eric


On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 1:43 PM MB Software Solutions, LLC <
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:

> On 11/21/2019 2:42 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
> > Is Anybody using "VFP Advanced" here?  IIRC, that's the Chinese VFP 10
> > version for 64-bit...correct?
> >
>
> (Anybody other than Eric, I mean.)
>
>
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Re: VFP Advanced (was Fwd: RE: Fatal error issuing CALCULATE command)

2019-11-21 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC

On 11/21/2019 2:42 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
Is Anybody using "VFP Advanced" here?  IIRC, that's the Chinese VFP 10 
version for 64-bit...correct?




(Anybody other than Eric, I mean.)


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