Re: [PEDA] 99SE Migration
- Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] 99SE Migration At 12:51 PM 10/17/2002, Fred A Rupinski wrote: If you are using an older operating system such as Windows NT, 98 or 95, and have been unable to trial Protel DXP, Altium has made the transition easy with the 'Protel 99 SE to Protel DXP Migration Pack'. You can start designing today with Protel's powerful design technology and upgrade your platform when it suits you. For full details visit: http://www.protel.com/dxpmigration.html.; Interesting. I think it's a mistake. The quoted offer is extracted verbatim from Altium's WEB site, so this is no mistake. Rather, it's a simple marketing ploy to get customers hooked on DXP. Essentially, this migration pack is nothing other than P99SE with a coupon for DXP, to be used when the user chooses. It is really the same as buying DXP and asking for and getting 99SE free, which I understand has been policy for those who request it. Another quote extracted from Altium, The installation of Protel DXP will replace the Protel 99 SE license you have installed. This is in effect an exchange that means you will no longer own 99SE, therefore it's not free. What they have now done is to tell buyers that they can have their DXP software later rather than now, no extra charge Because the offer keys on DXP incompatibility with Windows NT, 98 or 95, a better promotional incentive might be to bundle the OEM version of XP with DXP. ... Perhaps 99SE could remain an entry product, though $5995 is still high to be considered entry. How about $3995 with modified upgrade rights (i.e, such a license would need to pay $3995 to upgrade to DXP instead of the $1995 otherwise charged to 99SE license holders)? Now your talking. I had previously made a similar suggestion, but with the qualification that 99SE be cleaned up. (Maybe Altium can obtain Ian Wilson's bug list.) I suspect that the 99SE SP7 camp would support this. Regards, Fred A Rupinski * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:proteledaforum;techservinc.com * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:ForumAdministrator;TechServInc.com * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum;techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 99SE Migration
Re: [PEDA] 99SE Migration
At 12:51 PM 10/17/2002, Fred A Rupinski wrote: If you are using an older operating system such as Windows NT, 98 or 95, and have been unable to trial Protel DXP, Altium has made the transition easy with the 'Protel 99 SE to Protel DXP Migration Pack'. You can start designing today with Protel's powerful design technology and upgrade your platform when it suits you. For full details visit: http://www.protel.com/dxpmigration.html.; Interesting. I think it's a mistake. Essentially, this migration pack is nothing other than P99SE with a coupon for DXP, to be used when the user chooses. It is really the same as buying DXP and asking for and getting 99SE free, which I understand has been policy for those who request it. What they have now done is to tell buyers that they can have their DXP software later rather than now, no extra charge Instead, Altium should offer 99SE for $1500 to $2000 less than DXP, and then charge that amount for the upgrade. Perhaps make it $2000 less and provide a coupon guaranteeing DXP upgrade for not more than $1995 (the current upgrade price). Perhaps 99SE could remain an entry product, though $5995 is still high to be considered entry. How about $3995 with modified upgrade rights (i.e, such a license would need to pay $3995 to upgrade to DXP instead of the $1995 otherwise charged to 99SE license holders)? $7995 is definitely steep, not in terms of value, but in terms of affordability for small engineering startups, but they are the seeds of tomorrows success 99SE would be adequate for most of these companies. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:proteledaforum;techservinc.com * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:ForumAdministrator;TechServInc.com * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum;techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 99SE Migration
I will sleep with the devil that I largely know and I know how to deal with most of it's temperamental fits. So Protel 99SE is a succubus...who'da thunk it? ;-) Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Brad Velander [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] 99SE Migration Fred, I hear you 100%. From my view the issue is simple, DXP is blatantly unfinished, bug ridden and not what we as users wanted. After more than 3 years of development if DXP is the height of Altiums performance then they are in deep kaka. If DXP had come out as as a usable tool (sans missing modules/parts) I might have had some minimal confidence in switching to it within a year, that idea is history now. I almost replied to Phil's email with a simple Not on your life! reply. I will continue to use P99SE for at least the next several years or until I am forced by hardware/OS to search out the best tool at that time. Who wants to migrate to complicated unfinished crap? Doesn't Altium realize that we use this software day in and day out to earn a living, that living isn't paid for by being their beta testers or product development resource, it is paid for by getting product out the door smoothly and reliably. I will sleep with the devil that I largely know and I know how to deal with most of it's temperamental fits. As for Altium listening to it's customer base, they should. It seems to me that they have isolated themselves for the past several years and ignored the customer base. If they don't do some more listening and quickly they will go the way of the other arrogant, self-righteous, can't do wrong, companies of the last 2 years. Nobody is absolutely tied to their product and there are other choices out there (some of which 'seem' no better but they are out there). Sincerely, Brad Velander. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:proteledaforum;techservinc.com * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:ForumAdministrator;TechServInc.com * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum;techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 99SE Migration
Fred, I hear you 100%. From my view the issue is simple, DXP is blatantly unfinished, bug ridden and not what we as users wanted. After more than 3 years of development if DXP is the height of Altiums performance then they are in deep kaka. If DXP had come out as as a usable tool (sans missing modules/parts) I might have had some minimal confidence in switching to it within a year, that idea is history now. I almost replied to Phil's email with a simple Not on your life! reply. I will continue to use P99SE for at least the next several years or until I am forced by hardware/OS to search out the best tool at that time. Who wants to migrate to complicated unfinished crap? Doesn't Altium realize that we use this software day in and day out to earn a living, that living isn't paid for by being their beta testers or product development resource, it is paid for by getting product out the door smoothly and reliably. I will sleep with the devil that I largely know and I know how to deal with most of it's temperamental fits. As for Altium listening to it's customer base, they should. It seems to me that they have isolated themselves for the past several years and ignored the customer base. If they don't do some more listening and quickly they will go the way of the other arrogant, self-righteous, can't do wrong, companies of the last 2 years. Nobody is absolutely tied to their product and there are other choices out there (some of which 'seem' no better but they are out there). Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com Norsat's Microwave Products Division has now achieved ISO 9001:2000 certification -Original Message- From: Fred A Rupinski [mailto:rupinski;webspan.net] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 10:52 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] 99SE Migration SNIP So, the fate is bait. There is no sign of recycling 99SE into an updated mid-range product. Maybe Altium can reel in a few more DXP fish with this offer, but the two programs seem to be sufficiently disparate to make the migration concept laughable. And where is the 99SE support that once was on Altium's WEB site? But most of us can see a gap in the CAE product spectrum in the $2000 to $8000 range. A lot of small shops and one-man operations that can't justify $8000 might readily spend $4000 for a good mid range-product. A cleaned-up 99SE is that product. Why is protel marketing blind to this? As I've said before, it is not up to us to tell Altium how to run their business, but I have now served notice on what my budget can tolerate. And I know I am not alone. Altium seems to be listening these days, and no doubt is well aware of their customers' attitudes regarding 99SE. Hence, I am perplexed as to why Altium would flush 99SE when they could breathe new life into it and profit by filling an empty market segment. Regards, Fred A Rupinski * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:proteledaforum;techservinc.com * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:ForumAdministrator;TechServInc.com * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum;techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 99SE Migration
Re: [PEDA] 99SE Migration
Ivan, always glad to see your humour remains intact. However, these are your words not mine. I could readily agree with your words. 8^ Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com Norsat's Microwave Products Division has now achieved ISO 9001:2000 certification -Original Message- From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:techsupport;bagotronix.com] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 3:52 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] 99SE Migration I will sleep with the devil that I largely know and I know how to deal with most of it's temperamental fits. So Protel 99SE is a succubus...who'da thunk it? ;-) Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:proteledaforum;techservinc.com * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:ForumAdministrator;TechServInc.com * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum;techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
