Re: Control Surface, What To Buy?
HI Gordon, Thanks for the recommendation. Price tag is very appealing, but it seems the product is discontinued. JL On 7/25/2011 2:32 PM, Gordon Kent wrote: Hello: I would recommend the alesis master control, which is a surface and audio interface combo that costs around $800. It is well-built, has two mic preamps, and also has two adat inputs to go up to 24 inputs. The jog wheel is really smooth and works well with the scrubbing in pt, and it is hui compatible. It has presets for most of the popular daw software including Sonar and pro tools, and I've used it with both. I'm not crayzy about the windows audio drivers, they are a bit glitchy when running a complex project but it's worth the money just as a surface. Gord -Original Message- From: James Lee Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 1:31 PM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Control Surface, What To Buy? Hi, I finally decided to buy a mac to learn Protool. After going through list archive, it seems like control surface makes a lot easier for us to use Protool. I'm looking at a few choices, and I'm wondering if someone can help me to choose a right equipment. Digi 003, M-Audio ProjectMix I/O, Mackie Control Universal Pro, Euphonix Artist Mix, and Digidesign Command 8 I'm looking for something less than $1500. Also, It's not critical, but I'd love to be able to use it on Windows as well since I haven't entirely given up on Sonar yet. Also hopefully on Logic when Logic becomes more accessible. I have RME fireface 800, so the audio interface combo is not a huge factor. Would any of them fit my criteria? Lastly, can you get Protool 9 with Digi 003? It seems like Digi 003 comes with Protool 8 LE. Thanks for all your help. JL
Re: Control Surface, What To Buy?
It sounds like anything running with macky protocol is the way for you so. Yes, the RME DSP chip on the unit can remember settings, and I would imagine the same shortcuts for bringing presets on windows would also work on the mac. Either way, having the control surface setup to control total mix would be a great tool to have as an option depending on what you want to do. I'm not certain of the differences between your total mix software and the total mix FX for my unit, but on mine there are 4 pre-amps on the unit, and their phantom power is switched individually per in put either on the units digital menus or via the input section of total mix, so a short cut for that would be fantastic. If I make some contact with RME I'll let you know as it may be useful to you. Regards, Brian. -- From: James Lee jameslee...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 2:08 AM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Control Surface, What To Buy? Hi Brian, Like you mentioned, I don't have luck with Total Mix either. However, I can at least switch preset with shortcuts. Also, Fireface control panel is accessible with Jaws on Windows to make some changes like Phantom power, latency, and so on. I wonder if the settings will stay if you change them on Windows and connect to Mac. JL On 7/24/2011 1:48 PM, Brian Casey wrote: Hi James, While there are others on the list who will probably be able to make better recommendations in relation to protools specific questions, I will say that if you intend on continuing to use sonar, and your RME fireface, I would make sure whatever you do choose opporates on the macky control protocol - so you should check about the euphonix, 003 command 8 etc. I use the RME fireface UFX myself, and I'm not sure how or if you use their total mix software, but in my experience its totally inaccessible with jaws, however, you can set up monitor mixes and do all kinds of routing with the total mix if you have a control surface with the macky control protocol. I myself just bought one of the cheep Behringer control surfaces to tie me over and to play around with some things, but its fairly cheep feeling and I'm not sure how well it would play with protools 9 under macky emulation. I'm also going to get in touch with RME directly and see if they might be interested in implementing some short cut or midi control so I can control the phantom power button and other features, as it would be useful, and they update their software quite regularly, so it could be a possibility. It might be useful to try and find out how many blind engineers etc there are out there using RME stuff, because I think they might be willing to play ball based on their previous interaction with customers. Especially with PT 9 being open, RME stuff is a great and cheap way to get 0 latency monitoring (well one sample latency) and it will work great with sonar too for those who want to keep up on both. So yeah, I'd recommend you get somethingg that will help you take advantage of the RME total mix features too, because it's a very cool thing to be able to control and have at your disposal if you are setting up monitor mixes, using outboard gear or all kinds of things. Apologies if you already know all this, and or if you have somehow gained accessability with the RME total mix software with jaws, please do tell! Cheers, Brian. -- From: James Lee jameslee...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 6:31 PM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Control Surface, What To Buy? Hi, I finally decided to buy a mac to learn Protool. After going through list archive, it seems like control surface makes a lot easier for us to use Protool. I'm looking at a few choices, and I'm wondering if someone can help me to choose a right equipment. Digi 003, M-Audio ProjectMix I/O, Mackie Control Universal Pro, Euphonix Artist Mix, and Digidesign Command 8 I'm looking for something less than $1500. Also, It's not critical, but I'd love to be able to use it on Windows as well since I haven't entirely given up on Sonar yet. Also hopefully on Logic when Logic becomes more accessible. I have RME fireface 800, so the audio interface combo is not a huge factor. Would any of them fit my criteria? Lastly, can you get Protool 9 with Digi 003? It seems like Digi 003 comes with Protool 8 LE. Thanks for all your help. JL
Re: Control Surface, What To Buy?
Thanks Brian. Yes, shortcut to turn on/off phantom would be useful. JL On 7/25/2011 6:34 AM, Brian Casey wrote: It sounds like anything running with macky protocol is the way for you so. Yes, the RME DSP chip on the unit can remember settings, and I would imagine the same shortcuts for bringing presets on windows would also work on the mac. Either way, having the control surface setup to control total mix would be a great tool to have as an option depending on what you want to do. I'm not certain of the differences between your total mix software and the total mix FX for my unit, but on mine there are 4 pre-amps on the unit, and their phantom power is switched individually per in put either on the units digital menus or via the input section of total mix, so a short cut for that would be fantastic. If I make some contact with RME I'll let you know as it may be useful to you. Regards, Brian. -- From: James Lee jameslee...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 2:08 AM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Control Surface, What To Buy? Hi Brian, Like you mentioned, I don't have luck with Total Mix either. However, I can at least switch preset with shortcuts. Also, Fireface control panel is accessible with Jaws on Windows to make some changes like Phantom power, latency, and so on. I wonder if the settings will stay if you change them on Windows and connect to Mac. JL On 7/24/2011 1:48 PM, Brian Casey wrote: Hi James, While there are others on the list who will probably be able to make better recommendations in relation to protools specific questions, I will say that if you intend on continuing to use sonar, and your RME fireface, I would make sure whatever you do choose opporates on the macky control protocol - so you should check about the euphonix, 003 command 8 etc. I use the RME fireface UFX myself, and I'm not sure how or if you use their total mix software, but in my experience its totally inaccessible with jaws, however, you can set up monitor mixes and do all kinds of routing with the total mix if you have a control surface with the macky control protocol. I myself just bought one of the cheep Behringer control surfaces to tie me over and to play around with some things, but its fairly cheep feeling and I'm not sure how well it would play with protools 9 under macky emulation. I'm also going to get in touch with RME directly and see if they might be interested in implementing some short cut or midi control so I can control the phantom power button and other features, as it would be useful, and they update their software quite regularly, so it could be a possibility. It might be useful to try and find out how many blind engineers etc there are out there using RME stuff, because I think they might be willing to play ball based on their previous interaction with customers. Especially with PT 9 being open, RME stuff is a great and cheap way to get 0 latency monitoring (well one sample latency) and it will work great with sonar too for those who want to keep up on both. So yeah, I'd recommend you get somethingg that will help you take advantage of the RME total mix features too, because it's a very cool thing to be able to control and have at your disposal if you are setting up monitor mixes, using outboard gear or all kinds of things. Apologies if you already know all this, and or if you have somehow gained accessability with the RME total mix software with jaws, please do tell! Cheers, Brian. -- From: James Lee jameslee...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 6:31 PM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Control Surface, What To Buy? Hi, I finally decided to buy a mac to learn Protool. After going through list archive, it seems like control surface makes a lot easier for us to use Protool. I'm looking at a few choices, and I'm wondering if someone can help me to choose a right equipment. Digi 003, M-Audio ProjectMix I/O, Mackie Control Universal Pro, Euphonix Artist Mix, and Digidesign Command 8 I'm looking for something less than $1500. Also, It's not critical, but I'd love to be able to use it on Windows as well since I haven't entirely given up on Sonar yet. Also hopefully on Logic when Logic becomes more accessible. I have RME fireface 800, so the audio interface combo is not a huge factor. Would any of them fit my criteria? Lastly, can you get Protool 9 with Digi 003? It seems like Digi 003 comes with Protool 8 LE. Thanks for all your help. JL
Re: Control Surface, What To Buy?
Hello: I would recommend the alesis master control, which is a surface and audio interface combo that costs around $800. It is well-built, has two mic preamps, and also has two adat inputs to go up to 24 inputs. The jog wheel is really smooth and works well with the scrubbing in pt, and it is hui compatible. It has presets for most of the popular daw software including Sonar and pro tools, and I've used it with both. I'm not crayzy about the windows audio drivers, they are a bit glitchy when running a complex project but it's worth the money just as a surface. Gord -Original Message- From: James Lee Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 1:31 PM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Control Surface, What To Buy? Hi, I finally decided to buy a mac to learn Protool. After going through list archive, it seems like control surface makes a lot easier for us to use Protool. I'm looking at a few choices, and I'm wondering if someone can help me to choose a right equipment. Digi 003, M-Audio ProjectMix I/O, Mackie Control Universal Pro, Euphonix Artist Mix, and Digidesign Command 8 I'm looking for something less than $1500. Also, It's not critical, but I'd love to be able to use it on Windows as well since I haven't entirely given up on Sonar yet. Also hopefully on Logic when Logic becomes more accessible. I have RME fireface 800, so the audio interface combo is not a huge factor. Would any of them fit my criteria? Lastly, can you get Protool 9 with Digi 003? It seems like Digi 003 comes with Protool 8 LE. Thanks for all your help. JL
Control Surface, What To Buy?
Hi, I finally decided to buy a mac to learn Protool. After going through list archive, it seems like control surface makes a lot easier for us to use Protool. I'm looking at a few choices, and I'm wondering if someone can help me to choose a right equipment. Digi 003, M-Audio ProjectMix I/O, Mackie Control Universal Pro, Euphonix Artist Mix, and Digidesign Command 8 I'm looking for something less than $1500. Also, It's not critical, but I'd love to be able to use it on Windows as well since I haven't entirely given up on Sonar yet. Also hopefully on Logic when Logic becomes more accessible. I have RME fireface 800, so the audio interface combo is not a huge factor. Would any of them fit my criteria? Lastly, can you get Protool 9 with Digi 003? It seems like Digi 003 comes with Protool 8 LE. Thanks for all your help. JL
Re: Control Surface, What To Buy?
Hi James, While there are others on the list who will probably be able to make better recommendations in relation to protools specific questions, I will say that if you intend on continuing to use sonar, and your RME fireface, I would make sure whatever you do choose opporates on the macky control protocol - so you should check about the euphonix, 003 command 8 etc. I use the RME fireface UFX myself, and I'm not sure how or if you use their total mix software, but in my experience its totally inaccessible with jaws, however, you can set up monitor mixes and do all kinds of routing with the total mix if you have a control surface with the macky control protocol. I myself just bought one of the cheep Behringer control surfaces to tie me over and to play around with some things, but its fairly cheep feeling and I'm not sure how well it would play with protools 9 under macky emulation. I'm also going to get in touch with RME directly and see if they might be interested in implementing some short cut or midi control so I can control the phantom power button and other features, as it would be useful, and they update their software quite regularly, so it could be a possibility. It might be useful to try and find out how many blind engineers etc there are out there using RME stuff, because I think they might be willing to play ball based on their previous interaction with customers. Especially with PT 9 being open, RME stuff is a great and cheap way to get 0 latency monitoring (well one sample latency) and it will work great with sonar too for those who want to keep up on both. So yeah, I'd recommend you get somethingg that will help you take advantage of the RME total mix features too, because it's a very cool thing to be able to control and have at your disposal if you are setting up monitor mixes, using outboard gear or all kinds of things. Apologies if you already know all this, and or if you have somehow gained accessability with the RME total mix software with jaws, please do tell! Cheers, Brian. -- From: James Lee jameslee...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 6:31 PM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Control Surface, What To Buy? Hi, I finally decided to buy a mac to learn Protool. After going through list archive, it seems like control surface makes a lot easier for us to use Protool. I'm looking at a few choices, and I'm wondering if someone can help me to choose a right equipment. Digi 003, M-Audio ProjectMix I/O, Mackie Control Universal Pro, Euphonix Artist Mix, and Digidesign Command 8 I'm looking for something less than $1500. Also, It's not critical, but I'd love to be able to use it on Windows as well since I haven't entirely given up on Sonar yet. Also hopefully on Logic when Logic becomes more accessible. I have RME fireface 800, so the audio interface combo is not a huge factor. Would any of them fit my criteria? Lastly, can you get Protool 9 with Digi 003? It seems like Digi 003 comes with Protool 8 LE. Thanks for all your help. JL
Re: Control Surface, What To Buy?
Hi Frank, Thanks so much for the information. That's good to know that 003 and command 8 don't work on Windows, and Euphonix Artist Mix and Command 8 don't have jog wheel. It comes down to Mackie Universal Pro and M-Audio ProjectMix then. I wonder how solid they are on ProTools. Does anyone have used them on Protool? At least I heard many problems with M-Audio stuff on Windows, especially driver issue. Thanks, JL On 7/24/2011 1:47 PM, Frank Carmickle wrote: Hi On Jul 24, 2011, at 1:31 PM, James Lee wrote: Hi, I finally decided to buy a mac to learn Protool. After going through list archive, it seems like control surface makes a lot easier for us to use Protool. I'm looking at a few choices, and I'm wondering if someone can help me to choose a right equipment. Digi 003, M-Audio ProjectMix I/O, Mackie Control Universal Pro, Euphonix Artist Mix, and Digidesign Command 8 The last two you mention do not have jog/shuttle wheels. I'm looking for something less than $1500. Also, It's not critical, but I'd love to be able to use it on Windows as well since I haven't entirely given up on Sonar yet. Also hopefully on Logic when Logic becomes more accessible. I have RME fireface 800, so the audio interface combo is not a huge factor. Stay away from the command|8 and the 003 then. Would any of them fit my criteria? Lastly, can you get Protool 9 with Digi 003? It seems like Digi 003 comes with Protool 8 LE. Thanks for all your help. You can get the crossgrade to 9 for $250 or so. Deciding on a control surface is tough. Try to get your hands on them before you decide. HTH --FC
Re: Control Surface, What To Buy?
Hi Brian, Like you mentioned, I don't have luck with Total Mix either. However, I can at least switch preset with shortcuts. Also, Fireface control panel is accessible with Jaws on Windows to make some changes like Phantom power, latency, and so on. I wonder if the settings will stay if you change them on Windows and connect to Mac. JL On 7/24/2011 1:48 PM, Brian Casey wrote: Hi James, While there are others on the list who will probably be able to make better recommendations in relation to protools specific questions, I will say that if you intend on continuing to use sonar, and your RME fireface, I would make sure whatever you do choose opporates on the macky control protocol - so you should check about the euphonix, 003 command 8 etc. I use the RME fireface UFX myself, and I'm not sure how or if you use their total mix software, but in my experience its totally inaccessible with jaws, however, you can set up monitor mixes and do all kinds of routing with the total mix if you have a control surface with the macky control protocol. I myself just bought one of the cheep Behringer control surfaces to tie me over and to play around with some things, but its fairly cheep feeling and I'm not sure how well it would play with protools 9 under macky emulation. I'm also going to get in touch with RME directly and see if they might be interested in implementing some short cut or midi control so I can control the phantom power button and other features, as it would be useful, and they update their software quite regularly, so it could be a possibility. It might be useful to try and find out how many blind engineers etc there are out there using RME stuff, because I think they might be willing to play ball based on their previous interaction with customers. Especially with PT 9 being open, RME stuff is a great and cheap way to get 0 latency monitoring (well one sample latency) and it will work great with sonar too for those who want to keep up on both. So yeah, I'd recommend you get somethingg that will help you take advantage of the RME total mix features too, because it's a very cool thing to be able to control and have at your disposal if you are setting up monitor mixes, using outboard gear or all kinds of things. Apologies if you already know all this, and or if you have somehow gained accessability with the RME total mix software with jaws, please do tell! Cheers, Brian. -- From: James Lee jameslee...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 6:31 PM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Control Surface, What To Buy? Hi, I finally decided to buy a mac to learn Protool. After going through list archive, it seems like control surface makes a lot easier for us to use Protool. I'm looking at a few choices, and I'm wondering if someone can help me to choose a right equipment. Digi 003, M-Audio ProjectMix I/O, Mackie Control Universal Pro, Euphonix Artist Mix, and Digidesign Command 8 I'm looking for something less than $1500. Also, It's not critical, but I'd love to be able to use it on Windows as well since I haven't entirely given up on Sonar yet. Also hopefully on Logic when Logic becomes more accessible. I have RME fireface 800, so the audio interface combo is not a huge factor. Would any of them fit my criteria? Lastly, can you get Protool 9 with Digi 003? It seems like Digi 003 comes with Protool 8 LE. Thanks for all your help. JL
Re: Control Surface, What To Buy?
Hi James On Jul 24, 2011, at 9:08 PM, James Lee wrote: Hi Brian, Like you mentioned, I don't have luck with Total Mix either. However, I can at least switch preset with shortcuts. Also, Fireface control panel is accessible with Jaws on Windows to make some changes like Phantom power, latency, and so on. I wonder if the settings will stay if you change them on Windows and connect to Mac. I seem to recall that this is possible. HTH --FC JL On 7/24/2011 1:48 PM, Brian Casey wrote: Hi James, While there are others on the list who will probably be able to make better recommendations in relation to protools specific questions, I will say that if you intend on continuing to use sonar, and your RME fireface, I would make sure whatever you do choose opporates on the macky control protocol - so you should check about the euphonix, 003 command 8 etc. I use the RME fireface UFX myself, and I'm not sure how or if you use their total mix software, but in my experience its totally inaccessible with jaws, however, you can set up monitor mixes and do all kinds of routing with the total mix if you have a control surface with the macky control protocol. I myself just bought one of the cheep Behringer control surfaces to tie me over and to play around with some things, but its fairly cheep feeling and I'm not sure how well it would play with protools 9 under macky emulation. I'm also going to get in touch with RME directly and see if they might be interested in implementing some short cut or midi control so I can control the phantom power button and other features, as it would be useful, and they update their software quite regularly, so it could be a possibility. It might be useful to try and find out how many blind engineers etc there are out there using RME stuff, because I think they might be willing to play ball based on their previous interaction with customers. Especially with PT 9 being open, RME stuff is a great and cheap way to get 0 latency monitoring (well one sample latency) and it will work great with sonar too for those who want to keep up on both. So yeah, I'd recommend you get somethingg that will help you take advantage of the RME total mix features too, because it's a very cool thing to be able to control and have at your disposal if you are setting up monitor mixes, using outboard gear or all kinds of things. Apologies if you already know all this, and or if you have somehow gained accessability with the RME total mix software with jaws, please do tell! Cheers, Brian. -- From: James Lee jameslee...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 6:31 PM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Control Surface, What To Buy? Hi, I finally decided to buy a mac to learn Protool. After going through list archive, it seems like control surface makes a lot easier for us to use Protool. I'm looking at a few choices, and I'm wondering if someone can help me to choose a right equipment. Digi 003, M-Audio ProjectMix I/O, Mackie Control Universal Pro, Euphonix Artist Mix, and Digidesign Command 8 I'm looking for something less than $1500. Also, It's not critical, but I'd love to be able to use it on Windows as well since I haven't entirely given up on Sonar yet. Also hopefully on Logic when Logic becomes more accessible. I have RME fireface 800, so the audio interface combo is not a huge factor. Would any of them fit my criteria? Lastly, can you get Protool 9 with Digi 003? It seems like Digi 003 comes with Protool 8 LE. Thanks for all your help. JL
