Re: protools vs sonar with caketalking
Anyone tried midi editing with Garage Band yet? I know it has great sounds and soft synths, and audio editing is doable, but as a strictly audio guy myself, no experience with midi, but imagine it could be didited in the same fashion audio would be. One of you midi guys should give it a shot and report back maybe? On Jan 15, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: Hi Thomas, Things are changing and moving forward with accessibility. It'll be a long-term prospect but, since Avid has committed to making accessibility improvements, they themselves suggested that this should apply across the board, so that would include Sibelius. Don't hold your breath because, again, it's a long-term. Still, it's encouraging. Cheers, Slau On Jan 15, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Thomas Böttcher wrote: Hi guys, I'm interested in recording soft synths and also recording some audio like my piano plus voice etc. I'm currently using sonar and the caketalking scripts under windows, running bootcamp on my mac. In short, for all my other programs I am a convinced mac user. I'm experiencing some serious stability issues with sonar and windows and I'm slowly getting really sick of that. About one and a half years ago I heard for the first time a podcast by kevin Reeves about pro tools being accessible and was really thrilled. However, back then he concluded with the notion that it was great for recording audio but not if you wanted to record soft synths and work a lot with midi editing etc. That was one of the main reasons I went for sonar back then. Could anyone on this list advice me if there has been any significant progress on that matter. Another reason for me for going for sonar back then was the extensive documentation provided especially for blind users by dancingdots, since I was a total new comer on this subject. I don't expect the learning curve on pro tools to be low, though. As composer/arranger I've produced my work as sheet music, however I want to be able to produce it as well using sophisticated soft synth sounds and sample libraries. Is that doable with pt? Well, that's about it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot! Cheers Thomas
protools vs sonar with caketalking
Hi guys, I'm interested in recording soft synths and also recording some audio like my piano plus voice etc. I'm currently using sonar and the caketalking scripts under windows, running bootcamp on my mac. In short, for all my other programs I am a convinced mac user. I'm experiencing some serious stability issues with sonar and windows and I'm slowly getting really sick of that. About one and a half years ago I heard for the first time a podcast by kevin Reeves about pro tools being accessible and was really thrilled. However, back then he concluded with the notion that it was great for recording audio but not if you wanted to record soft synths and work a lot with midi editing etc. That was one of the main reasons I went for sonar back then. Could anyone on this list advice me if there has been any significant progress on that matter. Another reason for me for going for sonar back then was the extensive documentation provided especially for blind users by dancingdots, since I was a total new comer on this subject. I don't expect the learning curve on pro tools to be low, though. As composer/arranger I've produced my work as sheet music, however I want to be able to produce it as well using sophisticated soft synth sounds and sample libraries. Is that doable with pt? Well, that's about it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot! Cheers Thomas
Re: protools vs sonar with caketalking
What are your stability issues with Sonar if you don't mind me asking? - Original Message - From: Thomas Böttcher th.bottc...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 7:27 AM Subject: protools vs sonar with caketalking Hi guys, I'm interested in recording soft synths and also recording some audio like my piano plus voice etc. I'm currently using sonar and the caketalking scripts under windows, running bootcamp on my mac. In short, for all my other programs I am a convinced mac user. I'm experiencing some serious stability issues with sonar and windows and I'm slowly getting really sick of that. About one and a half years ago I heard for the first time a podcast by kevin Reeves about pro tools being accessible and was really thrilled. However, back then he concluded with the notion that it was great for recording audio but not if you wanted to record soft synths and work a lot with midi editing etc. That was one of the main reasons I went for sonar back then. Could anyone on this list advice me if there has been any significant progress on that matter. Another reason for me for going for sonar back then was the extensive documentation provided especially for blind users by dancingdots, since I was a total new comer on this subject. I don't expect the learning curve on pro tools to be low, though. As composer/arranger I've produced my work as sheet music, however I want to be able to produce it as well using sophisticated soft synth sounds and sample libraries. Is that doable with pt? Well, that's about it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot! Cheers Thomas
Re: protools vs sonar with caketalking
Hi Poppa, There seem to be some incompatibility issues due to the fact that I'm using the Roland octa-capture which was recommended to me by dancingdots, however have just been finding out recently that officially macs running windows are not supported. I actually have not gotten any error reports directly related to the audio interface, though. However, sonar has been crashing quite often after inserting instances of e.g. the demension pro synth, which should not be any big deal at all. Also there are problems with some caketalking hotkeys that inspite of the good setup cause sonar to crash. I'm still trying to get to the bottom of this problem, maybe that's also a matter of reinstalling sonar all the way. The bottom line is that I would love to be able to do everything on the mac side of things without having to rely on the entire windows 7 story at all. I don't know, wether this is currently realistic. Don't get me wrong, especially as a rather inexperienced user of audio software I'm actually quite happy with something like the caketalking scripts and their documentation, but I hope there might come a day that I'll be able to say bye-bye to windows all together. Actually, the same goes for the interminable search foor accessible notation software like sibelius or finale for the mac. Currently I'm still using sibelius3 on windows xp with Jaws 6.1 and the sibspeaking scripts of dancingdots. Works perfectly, but hopelessly out of date! But what to do if there doesn't seem to be an alternative solution that does the same job. Well, hope that makes things a little clearer. Still very grateful for any input on these issues. Greetings Thomas On 15 jan. 2013, at 18:51, Poppa Bear heavens4r...@gmail.com wrote: What are your stability issues with Sonar if you don't mind me asking? - Original Message - From: Thomas Böttcher th.bottc...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 7:27 AM Subject: protools vs sonar with caketalking Hi guys, I'm interested in recording soft synths and also recording some audio like my piano plus voice etc. I'm currently using sonar and the caketalking scripts under windows, running bootcamp on my mac. In short, for all my other programs I am a convinced mac user. I'm experiencing some serious stability issues with sonar and windows and I'm slowly getting really sick of that. About one and a half years ago I heard for the first time a podcast by kevin Reeves about pro tools being accessible and was really thrilled. However, back then he concluded with the notion that it was great for recording audio but not if you wanted to record soft synths and work a lot with midi editing etc. That was one of the main reasons I went for sonar back then. Could anyone on this list advice me if there has been any significant progress on that matter. Another reason for me for going for sonar back then was the extensive documentation provided especially for blind users by dancingdots, since I was a total new comer on this subject. I don't expect the learning curve on pro tools to be low, though. As composer/arranger I've produced my work as sheet music, however I want to be able to produce it as well using sophisticated soft synth sounds and sample libraries. Is that doable with pt? Well, that's about it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot! Cheers Thomas
Re: protools vs sonar with caketalking
Hiya mate, I'm going to if not have a stab at this, but try and give some ideas. Firstly, I don't think MIDI editing is too great under Pro Tools. What I do, and it's by no means a great solution, but it works for the basic stuff I do, is record a basic track in PT, then export the MIDI, and edit it with QWS, which (I know) is a windows program, but it's great, little, and does what I need it to do. The other thing you could do, is google Dnacing Dots. I'm not sure if this is what it's called nowa days, but I seem to remember the open source community doing some work on a Python-based braille music editing thing a while ago. It might not even be running any more, but it used to be. The other one you could keep an eye on, although don't hold your breath, is Logic, which is not as accessible as you'd want it to be at the moment, but is rumoured to be improving. Finally, you can import MIDI and probably other stuff exported from Cebalious. HTH, and sorry I can't tell more, On 15/01/2013, Thomas Böttcher th.bottc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Poppa, There seem to be some incompatibility issues due to the fact that I'm using the Roland octa-capture which was recommended to me by dancingdots, however have just been finding out recently that officially macs running windows are not supported. I actually have not gotten any error reports directly related to the audio interface, though. However, sonar has been crashing quite often after inserting instances of e.g. the demension pro synth, which should not be any big deal at all. Also there are problems with some caketalking hotkeys that inspite of the good setup cause sonar to crash. I'm still trying to get to the bottom of this problem, maybe that's also a matter of reinstalling sonar all the way. The bottom line is that I would love to be able to do everything on the mac side of things without having to rely on the entire windows 7 story at all. I don't know, wether this is currently realistic. Don't get me wrong, especially as a rather inexperienced user of audio software I'm actually quite happy with something like the caketalking scripts and their documentation, but I hope there might come a day that I'll be able to say bye-bye to windows all together. Actually, the same goes for the interminable search foor accessible notation software like sibelius or finale for the mac. Currently I'm still using sibelius3 on windows xp with Jaws 6.1 and the sibspeaking scripts of dancingdots. Works perfectly, but hopelessly out of date! But what to do if there doesn't seem to be an alternative solution that does the same job. Well, hope that makes things a little clearer. Still very grateful for any input on these issues. Greetings Thomas On 15 jan. 2013, at 18:51, Poppa Bear heavens4r...@gmail.com wrote: What are your stability issues with Sonar if you don't mind me asking? - Original Message - From: Thomas Böttcher th.bottc...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 7:27 AM Subject: protools vs sonar with caketalking Hi guys, I'm interested in recording soft synths and also recording some audio like my piano plus voice etc. I'm currently using sonar and the caketalking scripts under windows, running bootcamp on my mac. In short, for all my other programs I am a convinced mac user. I'm experiencing some serious stability issues with sonar and windows and I'm slowly getting really sick of that. About one and a half years ago I heard for the first time a podcast by kevin Reeves about pro tools being accessible and was really thrilled. However, back then he concluded with the notion that it was great for recording audio but not if you wanted to record soft synths and work a lot with midi editing etc. That was one of the main reasons I went for sonar back then. Could anyone on this list advice me if there has been any significant progress on that matter. Another reason for me for going for sonar back then was the extensive documentation provided especially for blind users by dancingdots, since I was a total new comer on this subject. I don't expect the learning curve on pro tools to be low, though. As composer/arranger I've produced my work as sheet music, however I want to be able to produce it as well using sophisticated soft synth sounds and sample libraries. Is that doable with pt? Well, that's about it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot! Cheers Thomas -- Take care, Chris Norman. !-- chris.norm...@googlemail.com --
Re: protools vs sonar with caketalking
I can understand your frustrations. I use the J sonar scripts with Sonar and have been pleased over the years. On the Mac side, if you are already used to voice over then you have one more option and in the world of blind accessibility, that is a kind of big deal. I have heard of some using Reaper on the mac with midi. I myself and stuck between the two worlds of PT and Sonar, on the one hand I enjoy the eas of Sonar, but I enjoy the stability of the Mac hardwhere side. I hope you find some light on this pursuit. Original Message - From: Thomas Böttcher th.bottc...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:51 AM Subject: Re: protools vs sonar with caketalking Hi Poppa, There seem to be some incompatibility issues due to the fact that I'm using the Roland octa-capture which was recommended to me by dancingdots, however have just been finding out recently that officially macs running windows are not supported. I actually have not gotten any error reports directly related to the audio interface, though. However, sonar has been crashing quite often after inserting instances of e.g. the demension pro synth, which should not be any big deal at all. Also there are problems with some caketalking hotkeys that inspite of the good setup cause sonar to crash. I'm still trying to get to the bottom of this problem, maybe that's also a matter of reinstalling sonar all the way. The bottom line is that I would love to be able to do everything on the mac side of things without having to rely on the entire windows 7 story at all. I don't know, wether this is currently realistic. Don't get me wrong, especially as a rather inexperienced user of audio software I'm actually quite happy with something like the caketalking scripts and their documentation, but I hope there might come a day that I'll be able to say bye-bye to windows all together. Actually, the same goes for the interminable search foor accessible notation software like sibelius or finale for the mac. Currently I'm still using sibelius3 on windows xp with Jaws 6.1 and the sibspeaking scripts of dancingdots. Works perfectly, but hopelessly out of date! But what to do if there doesn't seem to be an alternative solution that does the same job. Well, hope that makes things a little clearer. Still very grateful for any input on these issues. Greetings Thomas On 15 jan. 2013, at 18:51, Poppa Bear heavens4r...@gmail.com wrote: What are your stability issues with Sonar if you don't mind me asking? - Original Message - From: Thomas Böttcher th.bottc...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 7:27 AM Subject: protools vs sonar with caketalking Hi guys, I'm interested in recording soft synths and also recording some audio like my piano plus voice etc. I'm currently using sonar and the caketalking scripts under windows, running bootcamp on my mac. In short, for all my other programs I am a convinced mac user. I'm experiencing some serious stability issues with sonar and windows and I'm slowly getting really sick of that. About one and a half years ago I heard for the first time a podcast by kevin Reeves about pro tools being accessible and was really thrilled. However, back then he concluded with the notion that it was great for recording audio but not if you wanted to record soft synths and work a lot with midi editing etc. That was one of the main reasons I went for sonar back then. Could anyone on this list advice me if there has been any significant progress on that matter. Another reason for me for going for sonar back then was the extensive documentation provided especially for blind users by dancingdots, since I was a total new comer on this subject. I don't expect the learning curve on pro tools to be low, though. As composer/arranger I've produced my work as sheet music, however I want to be able to produce it as well using sophisticated soft synth sounds and sample libraries. Is that doable with pt? Well, that's about it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot! Cheers Thomas
