Re: [pydotorg-www] TimHuegerich would like to edit the wiki

[M.-A. Lemburg]

On 29.04.2021 15:48, Tim Huegerich wrote:
> I made an edit yesterday morning. I think I'm all set now.

Looks like it :-)

https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments?action=diff=333=334

I didn't see a message about you having been signed up.

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> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 3:32 AM M.-A. Lemburg  <mailto:m...@python.org>> wrote:
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> Hi Tim,
> 
> please us know what you'd like to edit.
> 
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> On 27.04.2021 15:22, Tim Huegerich wrote:
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Re: [pydotorg-www] TimHuegerich would like to edit the wiki

[M.-A. Lemburg]

Hi Tim,

please us know what you'd like to edit.

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On 27.04.2021 15:22, Tim Huegerich wrote:
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Request to add to Editors Group

[M.-A. Lemburg]

Hi John,

could you let us know what you'd like to change in or contribute
to the wiki ?

We'll then also need your wiki account name to make you an
editor.

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On 29.04.2021 09:03, john ludhi wrote:
> Hi 
> 
> I am Python Enthusiastic and developer. 
> 
> Can you please add me to the Editors Group?
> 
> Cheers
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Re: [pydotorg-www] [PSRT] Bug in website

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I don't see where this is vulnerability. Of course, you can delete
the account you just created. It would be bad, if you were able to
delete other accounts in this way, but that's not the case.

On 27.04.2021 18:00, Victor Stinner wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Can someone please have a look? We receive this email on the Python
> security list.
> 
> Thanks,
> Victor
> 
> On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 1:26 PM shubham more
>  wrote:
>>
>> Title:
>> insecure account deletion
>>
>> Description:
>> Hi Team,
>>
>> The removal of account is one of the sensitive
>>
>> part of a web application that needs to
>>
>> protect, therefore removing an account
>>
>> should validate the authenticity of the user,
>>
>> however i have found that when removing an
>>
>> account, the system did not require the user
>>
>> to input the account password.
>>
>> Steps to reproduce:
>> 1)go to
>>
>> websitehttps://www.python.org/accounts/sig
>>
>> nup/ ->sign up
>> 2)login in
>> 3)click on edit profile
>> 4)scroll website last option delete account
>> 5)click on delete account
>> result:account delete succesfully
>>
>> Impact:
>> Intruder can easily delete the account
>>
>> because the system did not protect it by
>>
>> asking the password to validate that the
>>
>> person deleting the account is the real user.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] request for editing rights on wiki.python.org

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Hi Marc,

just to confirm: you used the email address as wiki account ?

Thanks.


On 22.03.2021 08:13, Marc Militz via pydotorg-www wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I want to request edit rights for the account i...@it-schulungen.com on
> wiki.python.org.
> We had that rights before, as well as a page where our Python training events
> have been listed.
> 
> Thanks in advance and Kind Regards
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Add New LocalUserGroup

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Thanks. I made you editor now, so you should be able to edit the page.

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On 21.03.2021 15:08, Bipulsingh Kashyap wrote:
> Hi,
> Thanks for your reply.
> 
> Wiki Username: Bipul Kumar Singh
> email: bipulsinghkash...@gmail.com <mailto:bipulsinghkash...@gmail.com>
> 
> Thanks & Regards
> Bipul Kumar Singh
> 
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 6:02 PM M.-A. Lemburg  <mailto:m...@python.org>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bipulsingh,
> 
> in order to give you editor permissions, we will need your
> wiki user name. You can then edit and manage the entry yourself.
> 
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> On 20.03.2021 19:16, Bipulsingh Kashyap wrote:
> > Hi, Python community,
> >
> > I was searching python community or a local user group in Bhopal, Madhya
> > Pradesh, India but failed to find any python community in my city.
> >
> > There are more than 200 colleges and multiple universities here, 
> students come
> > here to learn something but they forced to pay for everything.
> >
> > By profession, I am a data scientist in an MNC but my hobby is to 
> mentor or
> > guide others about how to code.
> >
> > I want to start a local user group in Bhopal, for this, I have created 
> the
> > github.io <http://github.io> <http://github.io> page and working on 
> other
> requirements.
> >
> > This is a humble request to add our webpage to the LocalUserGroup
> > <https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups> section.
> >
> > Details:
> > continent: Asia
> > Country: India
> > Local User Group Name: [pybhopal](https://pybhopal.github.io/)
> >
> > My User info: [Bipul Kumar
> > Singh](https://wiki.python.org/moin/Bipul%20Kumar%20Singh)
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Add New LocalUserGroup

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Hi Bipulsingh,

in order to give you editor permissions, we will need your
wiki user name. You can then edit and manage the entry yourself.

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On 20.03.2021 19:16, Bipulsingh Kashyap wrote:
> Hi, Python community,
> 
> I was searching python community or a local user group in Bhopal, Madhya
> Pradesh, India but failed to find any python community in my city.
> 
> There are more than 200 colleges and multiple universities here, students come
> here to learn something but they forced to pay for everything.
> 
> By profession, I am a data scientist in an MNC but my hobby is to mentor or
> guide others about how to code.
> 
> I want to start a local user group in Bhopal, for this, I have created the
> github.io  page and working on other requirements.
> 
> This is a humble request to add our webpage to the LocalUserGroup
>  section.
> 
> Details:
> continent: Asia
> Country: India
> Local User Group Name: [pybhopal](https://pybhopal.github.io/)
> 
> My User info: [Bipul Kumar
> Singh](https://wiki.python.org/moin/Bipul%20Kumar%20Singh)
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] CompLangPython: Stale information about Gmane

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On 01.02.2021 08:34, era wrote:
> The page https://wiki.python.org/moin/CompLangPython has stale
> information about connecting via Gmane; the Gmane web site is gone, but
> you can use NNTP to access the group via gmane.io (moved from
> gmane.org).
> 
> I have set myself up with my Launchpad Id as user name "era" if you
> would like to grant me edit access to this page; but it's probably
> simpler if you just move it from "Web access" to a new bullet point
> "NNTP access".
> 
> The newsgroup's name on Gmane is still gmane.comp.python.general 

You should be able to edit the page now.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Please add me to editor team

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Hi Marius,

I've added you as editor, you should be able to make the updates now.

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On 12.12.2020 13:01, marius adrian popa wrote:
> Hello my userid is : mariuz
> I mostly edit firebird page with updates and new links 
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/Firebird
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/Firebird?action=info
> 
> 
> ps : i want to add the new python3 driver 
> https://firebirdsql.org/en/python-driver/
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Python : For new lenanese Python Users Group

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Thanks. I've added you as editor, so you should be able to go ahead
and add the group.

On 13.12.2020 11:50, Pascal Fares wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am Pascal Fares, teacher at ISSAE Cnam Liban and I just started a new Python
> Users Group in Lebanon. It seems that I am the first?!
> 
> I wish to become an editor at least to this page LocalUserGroups - Python Wiki
> , and of course my own page 
> Pascal
> Fares - Python Wiki .
> 
> My user name "Pascal Fares"
> My Email pfa...@cofares.net 
> 
> 
> 
> Best Ragrds
> 
> 
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>  ; +9613240246/
> 
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> 
> 
> /Responsable //système d'information et environnements numériques
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Re: [pydotorg-www] planet.python.org not updating

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[seems I forgot to use CC and used BCC instead]

Hi Tres,

perhaps Ernest knows where the server is running. I've put him on
CC.

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On 10.12.2020 18:44, Tres Seaver wrote:
> The 'pla...@python.org' mailing list received a report this morning
> that the Planet has not updated since December 07, 2020 04:48 PM UTC
> 
> Although I help maintain the planet's repository, I don't have
> any idea who has the keys to get in and diagnose why updates to
> the planet have not occurred.
> 
> Can somebody point me to the right list / resource?
> 
> 
> Tres.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] planet.python.org not updating

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Hi Tres,

perhaps Ernest knows where the server is running. I've put him on
CC.

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On 10.12.2020 18:44, Tres Seaver wrote:
> The 'pla...@python.org' mailing list received a report this morning
> that the Planet has not updated since December 07, 2020 04:48 PM UTC
> 
> Although I help maintain the planet's repository, I don't have
> any idea who has the keys to get in and diagnose why updates to
> the planet have not occurred.
> 
> Can somebody point me to the right list / resource?
> 
> 
> Tres.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Template pages no longer showing up on the wiki (was: wiki page editing - add DBMS)

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On 08.12.2020 14:35, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> You first have to create a link to the page on this page:
> 
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/DatabaseInterfaces
> 
> and then click on the link to create the page.
> 
> It seems that the template page does not get listed when
> creating the page anymore. Not exactly sure why. So I'd suggest to
> create an empty page and then copy over the text from
> the template page:
> 
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/DatabaseTemplate?action=edit=text
> 
> into the new page.

I checked the configuration, but this looks fine:

page_template_regex = ur'(?P(?P\S+)Template)'

(see https://moinmo.in/HelpOnTemplates)

Hi Thomas: Could you help with this ?

I'm pretty sure this used to work in the past and I'm not aware
of any changes in the configuration. Do we perhaps have to run
some admin command to get the templates to show up again ?

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Re: [pydotorg-www] wiki page editing - add DBMS

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You first have to create a link to the page on this page:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/DatabaseInterfaces

and then click on the link to create the page.

It seems that the template page does not get listed when
creating the page anymore. Not exactly sure why. So I'd suggest to
create an empty page and then copy over the text from
the template page:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/DatabaseTemplate?action=edit=text

into the new page.

Thanks.

On 08.12.2020 14:27, Евсикова Елена wrote:
> Hi! Thank you for your reply!
> I found a page template, but do you have any instructions how I can add the 
> page
> with DBMS using this template?
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/DatabaseTemplate
> I am sorry, I am just a bit confused 
> 
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 15:57, M.-A. Lemburg  <mailto:m...@egenix.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Elena,
> 
> you should be able to edit the page now.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> On 08.12.2020 13:45, Evsikova Elena wrote:
> >  
> > Hello!
> > I am trying to add an account for a simple purpose - to add an 
> information
> about
> > InterSystems IRIS  DBMS which   can be accessed from Python by way of
> Python DB
> > API over PyODBC and InterSystems IRIS ODBC .
> >
> >
> 
> https://docs.intersystems.com/irislatest/csp/docbook/Doc.View.cls?KEY=BNETODBC_support#BNETODBC_support_pyodbc
> >  
> > 
> https://gettingstarted.intersystems.com/development-setup/odbc-connections/
> >  
> > Could you please advise how I can do that?
> >
> > Account name Elena
> > login email - lenal...@ya.ru <mailto:lenal...@ya.ru>
> >
> > Thank you!  
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Re: [pydotorg-www] wiki page editing - add DBMS

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Hi Elena,

you should be able to edit the page now.

Thanks.


On 08.12.2020 13:45, Evsikova Elena wrote:
>  
> Hello!
> I am trying to add an account for a simple purpose - to add an information 
> about
> InterSystems IRIS  DBMS which   can be accessed from Python by way of Python 
> DB
> API over PyODBC and InterSystems IRIS ODBC .
> 
> https://docs.intersystems.com/irislatest/csp/docbook/Doc.View.cls?KEY=BNETODBC_support#BNETODBC_support_pyodbc
>  
> https://gettingstarted.intersystems.com/development-setup/odbc-connections/
>  
> Could you please advise how I can do that?
> 
> Account name Elena
> login email - lenal...@ya.ru
> 
> Thank you!  
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On 01.12.2020 10:46, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Hi, could you let us know which language you want to add and
> your wiki user name ?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> On 26.11.2020 13:47, Abdusalam wrote:
>> Hello! 
>> I wan to edit this page https://wiki.python.org/moin/Languages
>> I want to add my language, Thank you!
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Re: [pydotorg-www] (no subject)

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Hi, could you let us know which language you want to add and
your wiki user name ?

Thanks.

On 26.11.2020 13:47, Abdusalam wrote:
> Hello! 
> I wan to edit this page https://wiki.python.org/moin/Languages
> I want to add my language, Thank you!
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Re: [pydotorg-www] [python-events] PyCon Tanzania - 14th - 15th December 2020

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Hi Noah,

I've added the event. Thanks.



On 12.11.2020 10:15, Noah . wrote:
> Hello Events Team
> 
> We hope that you are well.  This is a follow up kind reminder to publish our
> event as per the previous email. 
> 
> Cheers 
> Noah
> 
> 
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2020, 00:26 Noah .,  >
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Team
> 
> Pleased to inform you that we are organizing a Python conference
> in Tanzania and the meeting will take place from 14th - 15th
> December 2020 in Dar es salaam, Tanzania.
> 
> Please add the following event:
> 
> * name of the event: PyCon Tanzania
> * type of event: * focus on Python: Python Conference
> * approximate number of attendees:  100
> * location (incl. country): Tanzania
> * dates/times/recurrence (incl. time zone):  14th - 15th December 2020 /
> 06:00GMT - 14:00GMT / Annually
> * HTML link using the format http://pycon.or.tz/
> ">PyCon Tanzania: 
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] (no subject)

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Hi Joe,

you should be all set now for editing.

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On 03.11.2020 22:39, Insane Miner wrote:
> Hello,
> I want to edit https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks/, because I wan't to
> add a new framework called Salt.
> Salt framework source code: https://github.com/InsaneMiner/Salt
> 
>   
> InsaneMiner/Salt 
> Salt is a Web Server/Web Framework written in python3. This requires no
> installation. - InsaneMiner/Salt
> github.com
> 
> 
> 
> My username is JoelSchofield
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joel Schofield 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Adding CockroachDB info to Python Wiki

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On 10.09.2020 18:12, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> On 10.09.2020 16:34, Mats Wichmann wrote:
>> On 9/9/20 9:40 AM, Charlotte Dillon via pydotorg-www wrote:
>>> Hi, Maintainers!
>>>
>>> I'm Charlotte, [CharlotteDillon] to be specific, and I'm on the team at
>>> Cockroach Labs. 
>>>
>>> I'm reaching out about writing a page on the Python Wiki about building
>>> on CockroachDB (akin to this MySQL page
>>> <https://wiki.python.org/moin/MySQL>). If our docs team were to draw
>>> something up, are you the folks to be in touch with? We don't want to be
>>> spammy on your site, just want to get our name and information out there. 
>>>
>>> Let me know, and thanks for the work you do!
>>
>> The wiki is for "user contributions" so it's fine to contribute how
>> Python can be used to work with CockroachDB - we'll set you up as an
>> editor when you're ready.
>>
>> I don't know that I personally think the first section of the mysql page
>> where it has pros/cons of mysql itself is particularly
>> relevant/appropriate to the Python wiki, and maybe we should remove that
>> bit.   That's just one opinion, we'll see if others express conflicting
>> ones. Pros/cons of different connectors in working with the db is a
>> different story.  Just as possible guidance what might/might not be in
>> scope for your notes...
> 
> We have those pros/cons for all databases listed in the wiki.
> It's useful to have as a guideline for newbies when selecting
> a database backend.

BTW: Please add a link to the page from our database interface
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Adding CockroachDB info to Python Wiki

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On 10.09.2020 16:34, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> On 9/9/20 9:40 AM, Charlotte Dillon via pydotorg-www wrote:
>> Hi, Maintainers!
>>
>> I'm Charlotte, [CharlotteDillon] to be specific, and I'm on the team at
>> Cockroach Labs. 
>>
>> I'm reaching out about writing a page on the Python Wiki about building
>> on CockroachDB (akin to this MySQL page
>> ). If our docs team were to draw
>> something up, are you the folks to be in touch with? We don't want to be
>> spammy on your site, just want to get our name and information out there. 
>>
>> Let me know, and thanks for the work you do!
> 
> The wiki is for "user contributions" so it's fine to contribute how
> Python can be used to work with CockroachDB - we'll set you up as an
> editor when you're ready.
> 
> I don't know that I personally think the first section of the mysql page
> where it has pros/cons of mysql itself is particularly
> relevant/appropriate to the Python wiki, and maybe we should remove that
> bit.   That's just one opinion, we'll see if others express conflicting
> ones. Pros/cons of different connectors in working with the db is a
> different story.  Just as possible guidance what might/might not be in
> scope for your notes...

We have those pros/cons for all databases listed in the wiki.
It's useful to have as a guideline for newbies when selecting
a database backend.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Edit & Contribute at wiki.python.org

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Thanks, Kok.

I've added you to the editor group. Happy editing!

On 18.08.2020 10:07, Kok Dictionary wrote:
> I am interested to contribute on python beginner guides along with
> projects. Thank you
> 
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 1:07 PM M.-A. Lemburg  <mailto:m...@python.org>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kok,
> 
> could you please be a bit more specific about what you are intending
> to work on ?
> 
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> 
> On 18.08.2020 02:53, Kok Dictionary wrote:
> > Hello Mam/Sir I am interested to edit & contribute at
> wiki.python.org <http://wiki.python.org>
> > <http://wiki.python.org>. My wiki account name is Jupiter Debbarma
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Edit & Contribute at wiki.python.org

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Hi Kok,

could you please be a bit more specific about what you are intending
to work on ?

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Re: [pydotorg-www] TimeComplexity page on the wiki, pop_intermediate for lists

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I've added you to the editors, so you should be all set...

On 17.08.2020 09:49, Jan Christoph Terasa wrote:
> Hi Marc-Andre,
> 
> sorry, my user name is JanChristophTerasa, using this mail address.
> 
> regards,
> Christoph
> 
> On August 17, 2020 9:42:45 AM GMT+02:00, "M.-A. Lemburg"
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Christoph,
> 
> we can make you editor, but need your wiki user name in order
> to do so.
> 
> Thanks,
> Marc-Andre
> 
> On 17.08.2020 08:57, Jan Christoph Terasa wrote:
> 
> Moin moin,
> 
> I partook in a discussion on stack overflow regarding time
> complexity of
> popping the first element off of a list:
> 
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/63445069/what-are-effects-on-overhead-of-using-list-pop0
> 
> As paxdiablo correctly points out there, popping anything except the
> last element involves a memmove/memcpy , which essentially has a
> runtime
> of O(N-k), with k being the argument. Assuming choosing k at random
> uniformly, this is O(N/2) = O(N).
> 
> During the discussion I referred to the Python Wiki page
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/TimeComplexity and the information
> there is
> kind of misleading. It introduces k as the "value of the
> parameter", and
> also states that "The Average Case assumes parameters generated
> uniformly at random" It then shows in the table that average and
> amortized worst time complexity of popping intermediate elements
> from a
> list is O(k). From my understanding the statement "The Average Case
> assumes parameters generated uniformly at random" is essentially
> what I
> stated above, so the value in the table should *not* depend
> (only) on k,
> but on N, and it should thus be O(N) in both cases.
> 
> I think stating O(k) is misleading, since it looks like the
> complexity
> depends only on k, and thus popping the first element should be
> O(1),
> while in reality it depends on N as well (being N-k), and in the
> "average case" we get O(N) as shown above. In general it could be
> helpful to add a footnote explanation of how pop behaves, since it
> depends both on the size of N and k, and it certainly is not
> proportional to k, quite the contrary.
> 
> 
> 
> If you are willing to give me edit permissions for that page I
> can help
> with some suggestions (I hope that page has a "Discussion"
> subpage to
> "stage" some proposed changes first).
> 
> 
> kind regards,
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Re: [pydotorg-www] TimeComplexity page on the wiki, pop_intermediate for lists

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Hi Christoph,

we can make you editor, but need your wiki user name in order
to do so.

Thanks,
Marc-Andre

On 17.08.2020 08:57, Jan Christoph Terasa wrote:
> Moin moin,
> 
> I partook in a discussion on stack overflow regarding time complexity of
> popping the first element off of a list:
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/63445069/what-are-effects-on-overhead-of-using-list-pop0
> 
> As paxdiablo correctly points out there, popping anything except the
> last element involves a memmove/memcpy , which essentially has a runtime
> of O(N-k), with k being the argument. Assuming choosing k at random
> uniformly, this is O(N/2) = O(N).
> 
> During the discussion I referred to the Python Wiki page
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/TimeComplexity and the information there is
> kind of misleading. It introduces k as the "value of the parameter", and
> also states that "The Average Case assumes parameters generated
> uniformly at random" It then shows in the table that average and
> amortized worst time complexity of popping intermediate elements from a
> list is O(k). From my understanding the statement "The Average Case
> assumes parameters generated uniformly at random" is essentially what I
> stated above, so the value in the table should *not* depend (only) on k,
> but on N, and it should thus be O(N) in both cases.
> 
> I think stating O(k) is misleading, since it looks like the complexity
> depends only on k, and thus popping the first element should be O(1),
> while in reality it depends on N as well (being N-k), and in the
> "average case" we get O(N) as shown above. In general it could be
> helpful to add a footnote explanation of how pop behaves, since it
> depends both on the size of N and k, and it certainly is not
> proportional to k, quite the contrary.
> 
> 
> 
> If you are willing to give me edit permissions for that page I can help
> with some suggestions (I hope that page has a "Discussion" subpage to
> "stage" some proposed changes first).
> 
> 
> kind regards,
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Re: [pydotorg-www] GDPR policy for Python.org?

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I'm not aware of any such work.

FYI: GDPR compliance is rather difficult to reach in an open
volunteer based environment. You can only manage this if you pin
down data access to a smaller limited number of people.


On 08.07.2020 21:14, Terri Oda wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> The Python Google Summer of Code team is trying to make sure we're
> compliant with GDPR, particularly because we're updating the blogging
> system that stores student weekly reports so now's a good time to review
> any data storage policy.
> 
> As far as we can tell, the PSF's policy hasn't been updated since 2015,
> so it predates GDPR. Is anyone working on it and is there anything we
> should know?
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Introduction

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Hi Jason,

I added you to the editors. Happy editing !

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On 20.06.2020 20:59, Jason C. McDonald wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> Jason C. McDonald here, a.k.a. CodeMouse92
> 
> I need to be able to edit my personal page and
> EuroPython/DiamondQuestSprint (for starters), and would generally like
> to be able to contribute to the wiki.
> 
> My username is JasonMcDonald, associated with this email.
> 
> Thank you!
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Need help in editing the page ODBC Drivers

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Hi Ekaterina,

please tell us your wiki account name and we can make you an editor.

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On 17.06.2020 13:17, Ekaterina Sklyarova wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> This is Ekaterina from Devart, a software development company.
> 
> Could you please tell me if it possible to edit the page ODBC Drivers -
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/ODBCDrivers  and add our new drivers too?
> If so, kindly ask you to add these tools:
> 
> Google BigQuery -  https://www.devart.com/odbc/bigquery/
> 
> MailChimp - https://www.devart.com/odbc/mailchimp/
> 
> Microsoft Dynamics CRM - https://www.devart.com/odbc/dynamics/
> 
> MongoDB https://www.devart.com/odbc/mongodb/
> 
> NetSuite - https://www.devart.com/odbc/netsuite/
> 
> SAP ASE / Sybase ASE - https://www.devart.com/odbc/ase/
> 
> Salesforce - https://www.devart.com/odbc/exacttarget/   
> https://www.devart.com/odbc/salesforce/
> 
> Sugar - https://www.devart.com/odbc/sugar/
> 
> xBase https://www.devart.com/odbc/xbase/
> 
> Zoho CRM -  https://www.devart.com/odbc/zoho/
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Re: [pydotorg-www] some requests for a meeting minuting feature on www.python.org

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On 12.06.2020 19:35, Sumana Harihareswara wrote:
> On 6/12/20 1:22 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>> On 12.06.2020 18:30, Sumana Harihareswara wrote:
>>> I spoke with Ernest a few weeks ago about how www.python.org could
>>> become a better home for public minutes of meetings. So here is my
>>> current thinking - this is long, but I want to share it in public in
>>> case it helps others understand the work.
>>
>> You may have noticed: the python.org website has a completely
>> non-working CMS. If you want to achieve collaboration, I'd strongly
>> suggest looking for something different (e.g. the NextCloud/OnlyOffice
>> idea you're floating) and focus on that.
>>
>> The documents would then appear under a subdomain, but at least
>> there'd be proper control over who gets to edit what and, what's
>> really more important, enables other people than the handful with
>> python.org editing rights to submit content in a user friendly
>> way.
>>
>> BTW: I may sound a bit negative on all this. That's because I
>> had been fighting to make python.org more user (= people providing
>> and maintaining content) friendly for several years without
>> success. If you have more luck: more power to you :-)
> Hi, Marc-Andre! I was probably less clear than I should have been about
> my suggested workflow:
> 
> 1. Before, during, and immediately after meeting: people collaboratively
> edit agenda and notes using Etherpad, Google Docs, Nextcloud, or
> something like that
> 2. After meeting, once notes are finalized: someone moves them into the
> www.python.org CMS.

That's a good workflow and we're using such a workflow in the EuroPython
Society - without the second step, though: we simply keep the document
open as live document for the intended audience to see. And we use
the same document for all meetings, since this is good for understanding
the history and development of how things come to be.

Editing usually starts by creating an agenda. This is then updated
during the meeting with the notes and results of the discussions /
votes.

> That second step doesn't absolutely need to be a multi-person step. The
> "Granular privileges: I'd like to let all my team members add minutes
> within our chunk of the site hierarchy." item in my list was in the
> "heavily encouraged" section, not the requirements. If you would
> prioritize requirements for this feature differently I would like to
> read your remix of my list (and what project are you minuting meetings
> for? if it's a very different type than the one I've been working on
> then maybe we have different requirements).

I've been using the above approach with a live agenda / minutes document
for many years now and in several contexts, both professionally and
when working with volunteer organizations.

It's been working really well.

What's essential is that multiple people can edit the documents
at the same time. We're using Google Docs for this, but OnlyOffice
should work just as well.

> Also, when you say "completely non-working" I'm not sure what you mean.
> I can successfully log in and edit pages, and the changes then display
> on the site. Perhaps you mean that the granularity of editing rights is
> inadequate?

Yes, you can log in and edit text, but that's where it ends. There
is no history of edits, it's not possible to revert an edit, get an
update of who edited what, there's no builtin workflow for things which
need reviews (such as success stories) and it's not easy to manage
permissions to certain areas of the website.

A true CMS covers all of the above. Google Docs and OnlyOffice
will cover most of the above, even though they are not real CMS
systems (think of Plone for example) either.

> I don't intend to fight anyone, but thank you for the kind wishes!

With "fighting" I meant that I tried to get the website fixed to
provide better CMS support running up against lots of walls along
the way. For the job board, I eventually started implementing patches
myself.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] some requests for a meeting minuting feature on www.python.org

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On 12.06.2020 18:30, Sumana Harihareswara wrote:
> I spoke with Ernest a few weeks ago about how www.python.org could
> become a better home for public minutes of meetings. So here is my
> current thinking - this is long, but I want to share it in public in
> case it helps others understand the work.

You may have noticed: the python.org website has a completely
non-working CMS. If you want to achieve collaboration, I'd strongly
suggest looking for something different (e.g. the NextCloud/OnlyOffice
idea you're floating) and focus on that.

The documents would then appear under a subdomain, but at least
there'd be proper control over who gets to edit what and, what's
really more important, enables other people than the handful with
python.org editing rights to submit content in a user friendly
way.

BTW: I may sound a bit negative on all this. That's because I
had been fighting to make python.org more user (= people providing
and maintaining content) friendly for several years without
success. If you have more luck: more power to you :-)

> Context:
> 
> Right now, www.python.org hosts the board meeting minutes
> https://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/ . We talked about
> maybe also making space for working group/project meeting minutes, like
> the ones I write up and currently host on the wiki (example:
> https://wiki.python.org/psf/PackagingWG#Dependency_resolver_and_user_experience_improvements_for_pip
> ).
> 
> In the call, Ernest asked me to list what would be important in a
> minuting package for www.python.org, distinguishing "required" from
> "heavily encouraged" to "dream features".
> 
> 
> Current workflow:
> 
> Right now, in order to minute meetings of Packaging WG-funded projects, I:
> 
> * use an Etherpad at pad.sfconservancy.org (just because it's a public
> and reliable EtherPad instance) and take notes with bullet points
> * after the meeting, use its Export function to export to plain text
> * mess with the formatting to adjust to MoinMoin wiki syntax
> * go to https://wiki.python.org/psf/PackagingWG and create a new
> placeholder link in the table of meeting notes, annotating with the
> description, type (meeting notes), and date
> * copy the text into that page, fix formatting, and hit Save
> * erase the meeting notes from the Etherpad and hyperlink to the
> archived notes
> 
> 
> What I want:
> 
> For the process in general, I have 3 core values:
> * Ease of writing: it should be easy for me and for other meeting
> attendees to collaborate on writing minutes, live, during the meeting,
> in a reasonably lightweight syntax (such as Markdown)
> * Privacy: as we write the minutes, they should be private to meeting
> attendees, so we can discuss things we then redact before sharing
> (vacations, burnout, criticism of other people or projects)
> * Transparency: the final minutes should be public where anyone can read
> them, without having to log in anywhere, and linkable
> 
> 
> As I understand it, a minuting system on www.python.org would have a
> hierarchy like PSF -> Working Group -> Project.  Example: PSF ->
> Packaging WG -> Pip dependency resolver & UX improvements.
> 
> 
> Required:
> 
> * Discoverability: the public minutes should be easy to find from a
> central project info hub, and show up in search engine results.
> * Linkability: each meeting should have some unique URL or anchor tag,
> so that it's easy to link to minutes within an issue or mailing list post.
> * Ease of formatting: some subset of HTML, Markdown, and
> reStructuredText should be supported.
> 
> 
> Heavily encouraged:
> 
> * Automated table of contents on the Project page. Should include (by
> default) date and title of meeting, and it should be possible for me to
> also manually append (maybe in a separate list) links to relevant blog
> posts, reports, podcasts, etc.
> * Automated table of contents on the Working Group page to all Projects
> underneath it.
> * Finding aid/intro: A structure on each Project page that includes a
> freeform text field but also encourages certain fields (project name,
> list of participants, estimated start and end dates).
> * Ease of formatting: Markdown support.
> * Ease of import: a batch process to import old minutes from
> wiki.python.org, even if I then have to mess with formatting.
> * Granular privileges: I'd like to let all my team members add minutes
> within our chunk of the site hierarchy.
> * Ease of sign-on: Single sign-on with other PSF systems.
> * Minutes structure: Structured text fields for meeting title, list of
> participants, discussion, and Next Steps/TODOs/Commitments.
> 
> 
> Dream:
> 
> * Ease of navigation: from a particular minutes entry, I'd love to be
> able to click Next or Previous to go to the next/previous entry within
> that project chronologically.
> * Ease of import: take an HTML import from Etherpad and strip the colors
> and other unnecessary syntax.
> * Ease of import: On some note-taking platform (could be HackMD,
> Etherpad, 

Re: [pydotorg-www] Success stories procedure

[M.-A. Lemburg]

On 03.06.2020 23:10, Sumana Harihareswara wrote:
> I see there isn't yet a Python Success Story in the Arts category
> https://www.python.org/success-stories/category/arts/ so I'm helping
> someone write one up. I have www.python.org publishing access. Is it
> okay for me to just create and publish it, or is there a group/committee
> I should check with first?

A long time ago (at the time we ran the Python brochure), there was an
effort to have a group screen submissions, but this failed due to the
website not implementing a usable workflow.

Now, it's better to have at least some new stories rather than none,
but there should be at least a bit of editorial screening, so perhaps
you could simply post the story here to get some additional feedback.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] reporting website issues

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On 21.04.2020 16:17, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I've lost track over time.  Where should people report problems /
> requests with Python website content (not wiki content)?  These come
> periodically to webmaster, which is actually in some way logical, but
> oddly (to outsiders) we don't actually do that.
> 
> The issue tracker for the pythondotorg project
> (https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/issues) used to be recommended,
> and while it still has some people who respond, they don't seem to know
> either.  e.g. this enlightening response to a request from Dan Bader to
> add a link to RealPython podcasts:
> 
> "Hmm I don't even know who owns/manage the content of python.org?"

You mean this ticket, right ?

https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/issues/1570

> Anybody here have a suggestion?  We have something in the webmaster
> autoresponse message, I'd like to update it if there's a reliable place
> for folks to go to.

The source code for python.org is managed in this repo:

https://github.com/python/pythondotorg

and it's (still) best to post any requests there:

https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/issues

Now, that's just the website itself. The CMS content can be maintained
by people who have a python.org account and permission to edit it:

https://www.python.org/admin/pages/page/

In the past such requests also landed on the above issue tracker,
but I guess not a lot people monitor this anymore, so perhaps
it's better to write requests for edits to this ML instead
and hope that someone will go in and update the CMS.

I used to help with this, but no longer have time for it.

FWIW: I fixed and closed the above ticket.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Bogus wiki.python.org attachment on BeginnersGuide

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On 3/20/2020 7:00 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 4:58 AM M.-A. Lemburg  wrote:
>>
>> Fixed and added a note to not add empty list entries to the list.
>>
>> Pages are no longer world editable.
>>
> 
> Thank you! Very very much appreciate the work you do to keep the wiki
> going. It has a good few oddities to it and folks like me have no idea
> what's going on sometimes, so it's awesome that you're able to find
> and fix problems so promptly.
> 
> *holds up "YOU ROCK" sign*

Thanks, Chris !

Kudos to you as well for being such a great gatekeeper for the wiki.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Bogus wiki.python.org attachment on BeginnersGuide

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On 3/20/2020 6:54 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> There are no changes on the server, but I see this in the EditorsGroup:
>
>
> Looks like the empty entry give anonymous users access to EditorsGroup
> rights.
>
> I'll remove the entry again.
>

Fixed and added a note to not add empty list entries to the list.

Pages are no longer world editable.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Bogus wiki.python.org attachment on BeginnersGuide

[M.-A. Lemburg]

There are no changes on the server, but I see this in the EditorsGroup:


Looks like the empty entry give anonymous users access to EditorsGroup
rights.

I'll remove the entry again.




On 3/20/2020 6:45 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>
> On 3/20/2020 6:41 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>>
>> On 3/20/2020 6:35 PM, Mats Wichmann wrote:
>>> On 3/20/20 11:17 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>>>> I no longer have access to my old wiki.python.org account but got a
>>>> bounce message (via postmaster) today which related to an attachment
>>>> added to the BeginnersGuide page:
>>>>
>>>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide
>>>>
>>>> The page history shows a deletion and addition of the attachment in
>>>> quick succession. I don't know if the old one was bogus, but the new
>>>> one certainly seems to be. It's a JPEG with a .pdf extension. Someone
>>>> probably should check it out and perhaps restore the old attachment or
>>>> remove it altogether.
>>>>
>>>> Skip
>>> something's going on - these edits are credited to "111" which is not an
>>> editor in the editors list.
>>>
>>> yesterday I got notification of another change made by "48" (actually
>>> these numbers were part of IP addresses, why aren't they coming in under
>>> a username) - that one left the page in a conflicted state.
>>>
>>> It looks like someone might be trying out a breakin?
>> When hovering over "111" in the info page you get this information:
>>
>> This suggests that someone without login (but the given IP address) is
>> accessing the page. The IP address maps to Beijing, China.
> It seems that all pages are editable without login... just tried a
> few.
>
> This is bad. Perhaps someone changed the server configuration.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Bogus wiki.python.org attachment on BeginnersGuide

[M.-A. Lemburg]

On 3/20/2020 6:41 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> 
> 
> On 3/20/2020 6:35 PM, Mats Wichmann wrote:
>> On 3/20/20 11:17 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>>> I no longer have access to my old wiki.python.org account but got a
>>> bounce message (via postmaster) today which related to an attachment
>>> added to the BeginnersGuide page:
>>>
>>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide
>>>
>>> The page history shows a deletion and addition of the attachment in
>>> quick succession. I don't know if the old one was bogus, but the new
>>> one certainly seems to be. It's a JPEG with a .pdf extension. Someone
>>> probably should check it out and perhaps restore the old attachment or
>>> remove it altogether.
>>>
>>> Skip
>> something's going on - these edits are credited to "111" which is not an
>> editor in the editors list.
>>
>> yesterday I got notification of another change made by "48" (actually
>> these numbers were part of IP addresses, why aren't they coming in under
>> a username) - that one left the page in a conflicted state.
>>
>> It looks like someone might be trying out a breakin?
> When hovering over "111" in the info page you get this information:
> 
> This suggests that someone without login (but the given IP address) is
> accessing the page. The IP address maps to Beijing, China.

It seems that all pages are editable without login... just tried a
few.

This is bad. Perhaps someone changed the server configuration.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] [python-events] PyCon Tanzania - 10th - 11th December 2019

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Sorry, no one was available to add the event in time.
I've now added it in retrospect and hope the event was a great
success !

On 25.11.2019 12:50, Noah . wrote:
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> 
> Pleased to inform that we are organizing a Python conference in Tanzania
> and the meeting will take place from 10th - 11th December 2019 in Dar es
> salaam, Tanzania.
> 
> Please add the following event:
> 
> * name of the event: PyCon Tanzania
> * type of event: * focus on Python: Python Conference
> * approximate number of attendees:  100
> * location (incl. country): Tanzania
> * dates/times/recurrence (incl. time zone):  10th - 11th December 2019 /
> 06:00GMT - 14:00GMT / Annually
> * HTML link using the format http://pycon.or.tz/;>PyCon
> Tanzania: 
> 
> 
> Thank you so much.
> 
> Cheers,
> Noah
> Community Moderator
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] [python-events] PyCon Tanzania - 10th - 11th December 2019

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Sorry, no one was available to add the event in time.

On 08.12.2019 11:47, Noah . wrote:
> Dear Team
> 
> We hope that you are well. We are kindly remind you regarding our request.
> 
> PyCon Tanzania event will be happening this coming week from 10th - 11th
> and we see that this has not been updated on the calendar.
> 
> Kindly do the needful
> 
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 2:50 PM Noah .  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Team
> 
> Pleased to inform that we are organizing a Python conference in
> Tanzania and the meeting will take place from 10th - 11th December
> 2019 in Dar es salaam, Tanzania.
> 
> Please add the following event:
> 
> * name of the event: PyCon Tanzania
> * type of event: * focus on Python: Python Conference
> * approximate number of attendees:  100
> * location (incl. country): Tanzania
> * dates/times/recurrence (incl. time zone):  10th - 11th December
> 2019 / 06:00GMT - 14:00GMT / Annually
> * HTML link using the format http://pycon.or.tz/;>PyCon
> Tanzania: 
> 
> 
> Thank you so much.
> 
> Cheers,
> Noah
> Community Moderator
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Resource book lists are mostly one publishing house

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Agreed. We had this discussion before, but no action was taken AFAIK.

On 15.12.2019 13:48, Steve Holden wrote:
> They've already been warned once.
> 
> Personal opinion: they should be stopped from spamming our Wiki, in
> which they currently have undue prominence.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Steve Holden
> 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 5:20 AM Mats Wichmann  > wrote:
> 
> On 12/14/19 9:55 PM, Frances Hocutt wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > While going through the wiki working on Python 3 updates, I noticed
> > that these two pages now stretch to hundreds of books from a single
> > publisher:
> >
> >   https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntroductoryBooks
> >   https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks
> >
> > This seems like it runs into spamming/broad self-promotion more than a
> > usefully curated list of resources, but I'm not familiar with how this
> > wiki usually handles that kind of thing. Could someone more familiar
> > with this wiki take a look?
> 
> We do have one publisher - Packt - that keeps updating all the time.
> They produce books at an astounding rate.  I've looked at a fair number
> and they're not useless, although they're of fairly low quality in my
> personal opinion - it's a kind of "book mill".
> 
> I haven't a clue what we think we should do about them.  I think we
> warned them a few times about changing the sorting to put their
> books at
> the top, and believe they stopped that and kept to the "alphabetical
> order" we suggest. Beyond that... don't think we can say they're doing
> something wrong. Without someone curating the list for quality,
> which we
> don't have, it's not clear there's any actual complaint we can make.
> 
> Thanks for asking - it's a good question.
> 
> Anybody else?
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Please add me to the editor group

[M.-A. Lemburg]

Giving the conflicting details in the email, we should not grant
access without further inspection.

On 22.10.2019 07:33, Loveneet Singh wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Please add me to editor's group. Iam a web security expert and advisor
> at WPHH, we largely work on python and security is our top concern. I
> would like to contribute on
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/Security?highlight=%28security%29
> 
> Iam working on a paper for Controlling Access to Resources Within The
> Python Interpreter
> 
> My username at wiki.python.org  - *lissacoffey*
> (this is my online handle)
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Odd perms (was Re: Please Add Us to EditorsGroup)

[M.-A. Lemburg]

Known is a special group containing all logged in users.

I've removed the ACL completely now, so that the page uses the
default settings.

On 18.10.2019 02:08, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 11:07 AM Andreas Taber
>  wrote:
>>
>> So far, the links only appear on this page:   
>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 6:04 PM Chris Angelico  wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you logged in?
>>>
>>> What's the exact page you're trying to edit? Do the edit links appear
>>> for other pages?
>>>
>>> ChrisA
>>
> 
> That page says:
> 
> #acl Known:read,write,revert All:read
> 
> What exactly does that mean, and is there a reason that the beginners
> guide has different editing perms?
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] can't create a user

[M.-A. Lemburg]

Hi Gary,

these are load related errors which we cannot do anything much
about at the moment.

Please try again after a few hours.

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On 14.10.2019 10:02, gary thompson wrote:
> Hi 
> 
> I have tried to create a new user so I can edit an inaccurate page but
> am getting gateway errors
> 
> relevant page
> 
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PyQt/Handling%20Qt%27s%20internal%20item%20MIME%20type
> 
> items is declared outside the loop and so gets aliased when multiple
> items are present
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] python2 EoL wiki "Python2orPython3"

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On 07.08.2019 22:04, Sumana Harihareswara wrote:
> On 5/22/19 3:36 AM, mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg) wrote:
>> On 21.05.2019 21:19, Matt Callaghan wrote:
>>> Thanks Chris - and I completely agree with your point.
>>>
>>> What is the community's preference to that consideration?
>>>
>>> The simplest solution I see is to add a "top header / block" that says
>>> the summary of:
>>> "It is Python3 going forward, officially as of Jan2020. This page is
>>> largely out of date, but kept for historical reference as it provides
>>> value for maintaining legacy Python2 systems."
>>
>> +1
> 
> I've now made that change at
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/Python2orPython3 and will continue updating
> it and relevant parts of the wiki (including some amount of deleting,
> merging, etc.) throughout Changeset's work on the Python 2 sunsetting.
> 
> As a general matter of wiki-editing etiquette: I've read
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/WikiGuidelines#Etiquette and understand and
> appreciate the guidance. Since this is work I'm contracted with the PSF
> to perform, I'm going to try to move reasonably speedily to remove
> obsolete material; I figure it's available in the post's history if
> people need to retrieve it to reference or reuse elsewhere. But if a
> page is actively maintained, I will do what I can to contact page
> maintainers so they know what I'm up to and we can collaborate.

Please don't remove Python2 material, but instead move it to a
Python 2 section or add a note that a page refers to Python 2 rather
than Python 3.

Pointing users to the wiki info section to retrieve this information
is *not* a good idea.

Please also note that while maintenance of Python 2 by the core
dev team will stop, there still is a large user base out there using it
and this will continue for at least another decade given how much code
has been written for Python 2, which will not be ported to Python 3.

We don't want to lose the existing Python 2 knowledge kept in the wiki.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] https://wiki.python.org/moin/EditorsGroup

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On 05.07.2019 23:06, Jürgen Hermann wrote:
> Please add me as an editor –
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/J%C3%BCrgenHermann (JürgenHermann)

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Re: [pydotorg-www] python2 EoL wiki "Python2orPython3"

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On 21.05.2019 21:19, Matt Callaghan wrote:
> Thanks Chris - and I completely agree with your point.
> 
> What is the community's preference to that consideration?
> 
> The simplest solution I see is to add a "top header / block" that says
> the summary of:
> "It is Python3 going forward, officially as of Jan2020. This page is
> largely out of date, but kept for historical reference as it provides
> value for maintaining legacy Python2 systems."

+1

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> *Cc*: pydotorg-www@python.org  >
> *Subject*: Re: [pydotorg-www] python2 EoL wiki "Python2orPython3"
> *Date*: Wed, 22 May 2019 04:48:06 +1000
> 
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 4:44 AM Matt Callaghan
> 
>  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Good day,
> 
> 
> Suggestion:
> 
> 
> We may want to edit this page: https://wiki.python.org/moin/Python2orPython3
> 
> 
> To denote the reality of: https://pythonclock.org/
> 
> (Jan2020 Python2 EoL)
> 
> 
> 
> I'd be happy to give you editing access to make this sort of change
> 
> yourself. Be aware that doing so may shift the tone of the entire
> 
> page, from "well, Py3 is preferred long-term option, but Py2 is still
> 
> pretty reasonable" to "Py3 is basically the only viable option for
> 
> anything beyond the near future". That will probably necessitate other
> 
> edits.
> 
> 
> ChrisA
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Code of Conduct for wiki usage?

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Hi Chris,

the PSF CoC applies to the wiki as well, but I'm not sure I follow
your comments regarding the page in question.

This is the version of the page you edited:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/DocumentationTools?action=recall=41

It simply says that the package is a maintained fork. I could not find
language which suggests that pdoc3 is better than the original and
it's certainly not offensive in any way.

Could you please clarify ?

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On 04.05.2019 07:35, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Does the main Python COC apply to pages on the wiki? If not, is there
> some approximate equivalent that all wiki editors are bound to comply
> with? I can't find anything specified.
> 
> The page in question is one that has been the focus of some discussion 
> already:
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/DocumentationTools
> 
> The pdoc3 fork is technically legal, but is offensive in a number of ways:
> * The wiki entry (until I edited it just now) implied heavily that
> this was the sole fork worth considering
> * The documentation at https://pdoc3.github.io/pdoc/ deliberately and
> gratuitously sneaks swastikas into the content
> * The "What Users Are Saying" section may (unproven) be using quotes
> not from users of the software, which (if true) would be
> misrepresenting those people
> * The overall tone of the page tends towards the caustic and divisive.
> 
> I'm not comfortable with the project in its current state, but am
> unsure what, if any, rules have been violated. Seeking advice.
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Account on wiki.python.org

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This is the usual problem we're facing with the wiki VM: it's overloaded
with bots or SEO crowds of people trying to create accounts.

There isn't much we can do, since the traffic doesn't originate
from just a few IP addresses.

At some point, I think we will have to make the VM get more CPU power
and esp. I/O bandwidth to better handle the load.

For now, I can only recommend to try at a later time.

Thanks.

On 14.02.2019 09:14, Steve Holden wrote:
> Hi MaryBeth,
> 
> Sorry about the problems - I don't know
> why https://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage?action=newaccount is spinning
> its wheels, I end with a 504 (Gateway Timeout), but I don't yet know
> what that means. I'm hoping one of the Wiki admins can step in here with
> more information.
> 
> Kind regatds
> Steve Holde.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 8:09 PM MaryBeth Okerson  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> __ __
> 
> I wanted to follow up on creating an account to be able to edit the
> pages listed below? Let me know what information you need from me to
> proceed.
> 
> __ __
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> __ __
> 
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> 
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> *From: *MaryBeth Okerson  >
> *Date: *Monday, February 11, 2019 at 10:31 AM
> *To: *"pydotorg-www@python.org "
> mailto:pydotorg-www@python.org>>
> *Subject: *Account on wiki.python.org 
> 
> __ __
> 
> Hello,
> 
>  
> 
> I am trying to make an account on the wiki.python.org
>  site, but when I enter my information for
> the new account, the system times out. Could you see if I was able
> to successfully make an account? If so, I would like to edit the
> following pages:
> 
> Python Conferences
> 
> Python Consulting
> 
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> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Pakt Publishing using wiki for SEO

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Can someone please contact them and implement the changes ?

Thanks.

On 02.01.2019 11:50, Steve Holden wrote:
> I'd agree this is abuse. We should revert the content to include the
> deleted links, and stop these automated updates.
> 
> regards
> Steve Holden
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 10:22 AM M.-A. Lemburg  <mailto:m...@egenix.com>> wrote:
> 
> I don't know if you are aware, but Pakt has been publishing (apparently)
> their complete list of Python books on the wiki, adding new titles
> to the top of the page in an apparently automated way:
> 
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks?action=info
> 
> Not only that, but they removed older entries from the page:
> 
> 
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks?action=info_count=100=200
> 
> e.g. the Python Cookbook is no longer listed.
> 
> I don't think the purpose of the wiki should be SEO and even less
> removing competitor links.
> 
> I think we should take action here, e.g. restore the old version of
> the page and add a single link to the Pakt website instead of
> the current endless list of entries.
> 
> Thoughts ?
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Logins on wiki.python.org don't seem to be working

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Strange, it's working fine for me.

I do see high load on apache (lots of people using
full text search, trying to setup new accounts, etc.):

30578 moin  20   0  520m  68m 5168 S  102  0.9   0:17.83 apache2
31412 moin  20   0  584m 136m 5196 S  100  1.7   0:13.18 apache2
31103 moin  20   0  520m  36m 5152 S8  0.5   0:03.32 apache2
30635 moin  20   0  522m  94m 5188 S7  1.2   0:12.09 apache2

and there are entries in the error file:

[Thu Jan 03 19:09:22 2019] [error] 2019-01-03 19:09:22,176 WARNING
MoinMoin.util.abuse: 37 : auth/login (moin): status failure: username
"enfors": ip 94.234.47.95: page None

Are you perhaps using the wrong password ?

Thanks.


On 03.01.2019 20:10, Christer Enfors wrote:
> Oh, make that https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups?action=login
> actually.
> 
> Den tors 3 jan. 2019 kl 20:07 skrev Christer Enfors
> mailto:christer.enf...@gmail.com>>:
> 
> I go to https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups, enter my user
> name ("enfors"), enter my password, leave the OpenID field empty,
> and click Login. Nothing happens, and eventually I get a Gateway
> timeout message. I'm running Chrome on Ubuntu, if it matters.
> 
> Den tors 3 jan. 2019 kl 20:03 skrev M.-A. Lemburg  <mailto:m...@egenix.com>>:
> 
> Logins work fine. What are you trying to do ?
> 
> On 03.01.2019 19:31, Christer Enfors wrote:
> > Sorry, I don't mean to hassle you, but it still seems to be
> down - I
> > still can't login on wiki.python.org <http://wiki.python.org>
> <http://wiki.python.org>. Can
>     > anything further be done? Anyone I should contact?
> >
> > Den ons 2 jan. 2019 kl 09:50 skrev M.-A. Lemburg
> mailto:m...@egenix.com>
> > <mailto:m...@egenix.com <mailto:m...@egenix.com>>>:
> >
> >     I have restarted apache on the VM. I guess we will need a
> cleanup
> >     of the users on the moin instance. The 144k users together
> with the
> >     underpowered VM and frequent spikes in activity by bots
> trying to
> >     register accounts are causing those delays.
> >
> >     On 01.01.2019 23:36, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> >     > On 1/1/19 3:24 PM, Christer Enfors wrote:
> >     >> I'm trying to login using Chrome on Linux, but I keep
> getting gateway
> >     >> timeout messages. I think this is the email address to
> which one
> >     should
> >     >> report such problems?
> >     >
> >     > Gott nytt år!
> >     >
> >     > The timeout seems to be occurring a lot. so we do "know
> about it", I'm
> >     > not sure anyone was yet convinced it wasn't just
> transient busy-ness.
> >     >
> >     > I think this is evidence there is something that does
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Logins on wiki.python.org don't seem to be working

[M.-A. Lemburg]

Logins work fine. What are you trying to do ?

On 03.01.2019 19:31, Christer Enfors wrote:
> Sorry, I don't mean to hassle you, but it still seems to be down - I
> still can't login on wiki.python.org <http://wiki.python.org>. Can
> anything further be done? Anyone I should contact?
> 
> Den ons 2 jan. 2019 kl 09:50 skrev M.-A. Lemburg  <mailto:m...@egenix.com>>:
> 
> I have restarted apache on the VM. I guess we will need a cleanup
> of the users on the moin instance. The 144k users together with the
> underpowered VM and frequent spikes in activity by bots trying to
> register accounts are causing those delays.
> 
> On 01.01.2019 23:36, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> > On 1/1/19 3:24 PM, Christer Enfors wrote:
> >> I'm trying to login using Chrome on Linux, but I keep getting gateway
> >> timeout messages. I think this is the email address to which one
> should
> >> report such problems?
> >
> > Gott nytt år!
> >
> > The timeout seems to be occurring a lot. so we do "know about it", I'm
> > not sure anyone was yet convinced it wasn't just transient busy-ness.
> >
> > I think this is evidence there is something that does need attention.

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[pydotorg-www] Pakt Publishing using wiki for SEO

[M.-A. Lemburg]

I don't know if you are aware, but Pakt has been publishing (apparently)
their complete list of Python books on the wiki, adding new titles
to the top of the page in an apparently automated way:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks
https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks?action=info

Not only that, but they removed older entries from the page:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks?action=info_count=100=200

e.g. the Python Cookbook is no longer listed.

I don't think the purpose of the wiki should be SEO and even less
removing competitor links.

I think we should take action here, e.g. restore the old version of
the page and add a single link to the Pakt website instead of
the current endless list of entries.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Logins on wiki.python.org don't seem to be working

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I have restarted apache on the VM. I guess we will need a cleanup
of the users on the moin instance. The 144k users together with the
underpowered VM and frequent spikes in activity by bots trying to
register accounts are causing those delays.

On 01.01.2019 23:36, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> On 1/1/19 3:24 PM, Christer Enfors wrote:
>> I'm trying to login using Chrome on Linux, but I keep getting gateway
>> timeout messages. I think this is the email address to which one should
>> report such problems?
> 
> Gott nytt år!
> 
> The timeout seems to be occurring a lot. so we do "know about it", I'm
> not sure anyone was yet convinced it wasn't just transient busy-ness.
> 
> I think this is evidence there is something that does need attention.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Edit Python Listing

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These are intermittent problems with the VM the wiki is
running on, due to higher load (mostly bots trying to register
accounts). Please try again a bit later.

Thanks.

On 20.12.2018 20:36, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> Jody was trying to create an account and it's not working.  Is there
> something going on that we know about?
> 
> 
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: Re: [pydotorg-www] Edit Python Listing
> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 19:32:26 +
> From: Jody Nelson 
> To: Mats Wichmann 
> 
> I used JodyNelson as my username and jo...@traininghott.com as my email.
> I just tried again using a different browser and got a 504 Gateway
> Timeout error when trying to register.
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] 504 when creating account on Wiki

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On 31.10.2018 16:15, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> On 10/31/18 8:53 AM, Alex Garel wrote:
> 
>>> I just tried from here and got the same timeout... the UbuntuOne page it
>>> pops to (I thought UbuntuOne was dead? or was it just some part of it?)
>>> is fine, but then you say okay, the browser status line says it's
>>> waiting for wiki.python.org, and eventually I get the timeout screen.
>>
>> I don't think the problem is with OpenID or login, I think that account
>> creation is broken (and OpenID fails because of that only).
>>
>> I just tried now (14:49 UTC) to create an account *the standard way*
>> [1], and registration form ends with "504".
> 
> well, I have an account, and have openid already set up on it (has
> worked in the past), so account creation problem doesn't seem quite
> what's happening to me.

I think it's a timing issue again. I just tried an account creation
and got a 504 as well. However, in the logs I can see that the
request was actually processed fine and shows a 200.

Perhaps the timeout settings on front were changed, causing these
issues.

For some reason the account creation takes longer than 60 seconds
(measured around 70 seconds), which appears to be the front timeout.

Of course, it doesn't help that moin stores the user accounts
in individual files and we have more than 142k of those in a single
directory...

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Re: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] 504 when creating account on Wiki

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On 31.10.2018 09:27, Alex Garel wrote:
> Le 30/10/2018 à 23:09, M.-A. Lemburg a écrit :
>> It's possible that OpenID using Launchpad stopped working. I believe
>> Google auth also doesn't work anymore.
>>
>> Perhaps we ought to remove the OpenID mentions from the login page.
>> I just don't know where exactly to look for this in the templates.
> 
> 
> "grep OpenIDAuth" should be your friend, see
> https://moinmo.in/HelpOnAuthentication

If it were that easy :-) We are using a custom template for the
wiki

> Do you think my normal registration did not work because my email was
> burnt by OpenID tentative ?

Ok, I just tried Launchpad OpenID login and it is still working,
so either you were experiencing a time of high load on the server
which caused an internal timeout for OpenID verification or
something is wrong with your OpenID setup (LP moved to their
Ubuntu One SSO system a while ago, which introduced a couple
of changes).

Another possibility is that creating an account with OpenID
login fails generally for some reason.

The test I ran was for my account, but I have a password one
and only added OpenID for testing purposes some years ago.

I checked the log files but could not find any hint as to
what was going wrong. They are full of break-in attempts,
but no clear sign of an OpenID failure.

Could you please try again and give me the UTC timestamp of
when you tried. I can then narrow down the search in the log
files.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] 504 when creating account on Wiki

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It's possible that OpenID using Launchpad stopped working. I believe
Google auth also doesn't work anymore.

Perhaps we ought to remove the OpenID mentions from the login page.
I just don't know where exactly to look for this in the templates.



On 30.10.2018 19:23, Steve Holden wrote:
> Anyone on pydotorg-www able to respond to this, please?
> 
> regards
>  Steve
> 
> Steve Holden
> 
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Alex Garel  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to create an account on https://wiki.python.org
> 
> I've tried to authenticate using OpenID (launchpad) and also creating an
> account on the wiki. In both case after quite a long time, it ends with
> a "504 Server error".
> 
> In the case of OpenID authentication, I am first carried to launchpad
> where I identify, but as it get back from launchpad, it ends up with the
> 504.
> 
> Of course, on my side there is no particular hurry (I just wanted to add
> Mu (https://codewith.mu/), as an editor supporting debugging to the list
> at https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonDebuggingTools
> )
> 
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> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] need access to edit pages on wiki.python.org

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Hi Satya,

you should now be able to edit the page.

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On 30.09.2018 11:28, satyakam goswami wrote:
> Hi Python Wikieditors,
> 
> Its been some time i checked on wiki pages , then realized after login that
> the page https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups#India needs some
> updates i could not do it.Then realized the edit rights to all users are
> disabled because of the spam issue with Wiki's .
> 
> my user id on wiki is satyag do enable my edit rights so that i can
> contribute to the Wiki pages hosted on Python.org
> 
> thanks
> -Satya
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Request to edit wiki page

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On 21.09.2018 17:18, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> On 09/21/2018 08:20 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>> On 21.09.2018 15:21, Mats Wichmann wrote:
>>> On 09/21/2018 05:37 AM, Giles Thomas wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd like to edit the FreeHosts and SpecializedCommercialHosts pages on
>>>>>>>> the python.org wiki in order to update the Python versions
>>>>>>>> supported by
>>>>>>>> PythonAnywhere.   Could I get access in order to do that?
>>>
>>>> Thanks!  I was able to update FreeHosts -- however,
>>>> SpecializedCommercialHosts is still showing up as an immutable page.
>>>
>>> yes, when I go look that page is marked differently:
>>>
>>> #acl TrustedEditorsGroup:read,write,delete,revert All:read
>>>
>>> I, at least don't know why that is, but since that is not a common
>>> setting, I presume there's a reason.  If someone else does not pop up
>>> with comments, one of us can stuff your changes in there.
>> I suppose this was added due to spamming in the past. With the
>> approach we're using now, this is no longer needed. You can
>> remove it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
> 
> 
> Gah, this area is a bit confused.
> 
> So we have a page FreeHosts, a page NonCommercialHosting, a page
> OtherCommercialHosts, and a page SpecializedCommercialHosts. All of them
> end with a reference to PythonHosting, a page which does not exist.
> 
> As a bit of cleanup I'd like at least to remove the link to
> PythonHosting, unless that's something we should resurrect from whatever
> dumpster it went into, and add an introductory line to those of the four
> that don't have one giving the definition of the category (specialized
> and non-commercial have one, free and other-commercial don't).
> 
> Or... we could do something different  anyone else who wants to dive
> in, please do.

It's well possible that this page was lost in the wiki attack
some years ago (it redirects to PythonHosting).

This is the last version I could find on archive.org:

https://web.archive.org/web/20130809232216/http://wiki.python.org:80/moin/PythonHosting

Perhaps you could revive it ?!

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Request to edit wiki page

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On 21.09.2018 15:21, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> On 09/21/2018 05:37 AM, Giles Thomas wrote:
> 
>> I'd like to edit the FreeHosts and SpecializedCommercialHosts pages on
>> the python.org wiki in order to update the Python versions
>> supported by
>> PythonAnywhere.   Could I get access in order to do that?
> 
>> Thanks!  I was able to update FreeHosts -- however,
>> SpecializedCommercialHosts is still showing up as an immutable page.
> 
> yes, when I go look that page is marked differently:
> 
> #acl TrustedEditorsGroup:read,write,delete,revert All:read
> 
> I, at least don't know why that is, but since that is not a common
> setting, I presume there's a reason.  If someone else does not pop up
> with comments, one of us can stuff your changes in there.
I suppose this was added due to spamming in the past. With the
approach we're using now, this is no longer needed. You can
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Fix broken links

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Hi Iulian,

please try again to create an account - the server sometimes
has too many things going on (mostly due to the automated bots
hitting it), so it may take a while before it can handle a
registration request.

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On 19.08.2018 00:58, Iulian Onofrei via pydotorg-www wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to edit this
> page: https://wiki.python.org/moin/DunderAlias to fix the broken links.
> 
> I don't have an account yet as the register fails with "504 Gateway
> Time-out".
> 
> Thank you,
> iulianOnofrei
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Access to Job Board Wiki Page

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On 27.06.2018 20:38, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 4:35 AM, Betsy Waliszewski  wrote:
>> We're in the process of transitioning the current job board into an official
>> PSF work group, so we'd like it to be part of the wiki.
> 
> Ah! Got it.
> 
> I've given you regular editing access. If the job board requires
> different permissions, I'll have to learn how that works :)

FYI: The job board app itself is part of the python.org system,
so you need to have a login there and the right permissions
(member of the job board group) to work as reviewer.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Access to Job Board Wiki Page

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On 27.06.2018 19:58, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 3:46 AM, Betsy Waliszewski  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Can I get access to the job board wiki page to be able to update the
>> members? My account name is WaliszewskiBetsy.
> 
> The job board isn't part of the wiki (assuming you're talking about
> https://www.python.org/jobs/ ). If there's part of it on the wiki,
> it's almost certainly outdated. I'm not sure who's in charge of the
> current job board.

The job board team uses the wiki for management and documentation:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/PSF%20Python%20Job%20Board

These are the people in charge of it:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/PSF%20Python%20Job%20Board/Reviewers

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Re: [pydotorg-www] PyCon Latam

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Hi Katia,

you will have to get approval from the PSF trademark committee
for using a PyCon name:

https://www.python.org/psf/trademarks/pycon/

We typically get requests for national conference, where
things are pretty straight forward. For more generic names
or ones which imply covering a whole region, we want to
make sure that the format can survive changes in teams and
locations. Such conferences often move around between different
countries and teams.

Once everything is in place, we can also give you a subdomain
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On 29.05.2018 23:24, Katia Lira wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> After PyCon a couple of weeks ago a team of Latin American people got
> together and we want to organize a conference next year called PyCon Latam.
> 
> Do you have a guideline we can follow to register the event with the PSF?
> 
> Thank you and have a good day,
> Katia
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Can we add PyBay to the Conferences and Workshops page?

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On 09.04.2018 03:43, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 11:40 AM, Nick DiRienzo  wrote:
>>
>> Hey Chris,
>>
>> One more question, hope it's not a bother.
>>
>> I was able to edit https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonConferences but is it 
>> also possible to add our listing to 
>> https://www.python.org/community/workshops/? I can't seem to find a way to 
>> edit this page in the same way.
>>
>> Looking at the source for the python.org, my understanding is there's a 
>> separate CMS to modify pages? Is there a wiki guide on how to modify these 
>> pages? Happy to submit a PR if that's required.
> 
> Hmm, I'm not sure how that is managed. Someone else on this list may know.

You will need to file an issue on the python.org tracker:

https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/issues

Someone with editing rights will then help get the content
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Egg production facility Purchase

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Hi Jeremy,

I think we're passed eggs and have now moved on to wheels,
so your offering would sound more attractive, if you'd
support wheels:

https://packaging.python.org/discussions/wheel-vs-egg/

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On 23.01.2018 16:11, Jeremy Williams wrote:
> How are you today?
> 
> I hope someone can attend to my email today. I have been writing your office 
> in 
> regards to the property i want to purchase in Sweden. This property is an Egg 
> production facility. The location and details of this property is attached to 
> the docusign in this email.
> 
> I have already concluded price with the owner of this property for 
> $16,200,000 
> USD, but meanwhile i need someone to represent me to finalize this process, 
> as i 
> am currently on a Rig job in Doha.
> 
> Please for exclusivity, i am sending my identification and property details, 
> alongside the details of the property owner in the attached docusign 
> encrypted 
> document. Please kindly go through this as soon as possible so that we can 
> see 
> if we can conclude asap.
> 
> Please i would like to know the fees you require to get this process done 
> asap. 
> As soon as you are done with the document and satisfied with your due 
> dilligence, i will wire the processing fee to you.
> 
> Regards.
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] ancient wiki info

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On 28.11.2017 00:08, Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> Oh, sorry -- account is the same as page name, FredrikLundh

Done. You should be able to edit the page now.

> 2017-11-27 18:30 GMT+01:00 M.-A. Lemburg <m...@egenix.com>:
> 
>> Hi Fredrik,
>>
>> do you have a wiki account ? Then we can make you editor.
>>
>> On 27.11.2017 18:19, Fredrik Lundh wrote:
>>> someone just pointed out that "FredrikLundh" and related pages were last
>>> updated over a decade ago.
>>>
>>> cannot seem to edit it, though. can I has access?
>>
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Re: [pydotorg-www] ancient wiki info

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Hi Fredrik,

do you have a wiki account ? Then we can make you editor.

On 27.11.2017 18:19, Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> someone just pointed out that "FredrikLundh" and related pages were last
> updated over a decade ago.
> 
> cannot seem to edit it, though. can I has access?

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Google Analytics for python.org

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On 02.11.2017 08:23, Steve Holden wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Sorry, completely clueless on that one. I've copied this reply to the
> pydotorg-www list - someone else there will almost certainly be able to
> help you.

My guess is that this was never really handed over from the companies
originally implementing the website. Maybe Jesse Noller knows, since
he was involved in the redesign project.

This is where the GA snippet was added:

https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/blame/master/templates/base.html#L124
https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/commit/39afc2f746fd6e77c5d5082be399217961a4052d

> regards
>  Steve
> 
> Steve Holden
> 
> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 9:07 PM, Mark Mangoba  wrote:
> 
>> Hey Steve,
>>
>> Quick question, do you have access to our Google Analytics for python.org?
>> or know anyone that may have access?
>>
>> Thanks,
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Re: [pydotorg-www] PyCon SK

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Added. Thanks.

On 08.10.2017 21:19, Richard Kellner wrote:
> Hello,
> can you please update website:
> https://www.python.org/community/workshops/
>  to contain also PyCon SK?
> We do plan next year event (I have already sent email to
> eve...@pytohn.org ). Can you please leave the
> link to our site: https://pycon.sk
> 
> Thank you.
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Request to make amendments

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On 29.09.2017 16:17, Marko Deablo wrote:
> It is actually MarkoDeablo,
> I didn't realise the casing was important.

Fixed. Please try again.

> Thanks,
> Mark.
> 
> On 29 September 2017 at 15:15, M.-A. Lemburg <m...@python.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 29.09.2017 16:01, Marko Deablo wrote:
>>> Thank-you for your quick reply.
>>>
>>> I have just logged out and back in, but the status hasn't changed?
>>
>> Is this your user name: "markodeablo" (case matters !) ?
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> MarkoDeablo
>>>
>>> On 29 September 2017 at 14:56, M.-A. Lemburg <m...@python.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 29.09.2017 15:52, Marko Deablo via pydotorg-www wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> The page I am wishing to edit is
>>>>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/MySQL
>>>>>
>>>>> It is giving me the status 'Immutable page'
>>>>
>>>> The page is editable once you log in and have been made editor
>>>> (which Chris already did).
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> MarkoDeablo
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29 September 2017 at 14:48, Chris Angelico <ros...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 11:35 PM, Marko Deablo
>>>>>> <markodea...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>> I am getting the status 'Immutable page' is there a step I need to
>> do?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Mark.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which page? Also - please ask on the list, as I'm not the only one
>> here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ChrisA
>>>>>>
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Request to make amendments

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On 29.09.2017 16:01, Marko Deablo wrote:
> Thank-you for your quick reply.
> 
> I have just logged out and back in, but the status hasn't changed?

Is this your user name: "markodeablo" (case matters !) ?

> Regards,
> MarkoDeablo
> 
> On 29 September 2017 at 14:56, M.-A. Lemburg <m...@python.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 29.09.2017 15:52, Marko Deablo via pydotorg-www wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> The page I am wishing to edit is
>>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/MySQL
>>>
>>> It is giving me the status 'Immutable page'
>>
>> The page is editable once you log in and have been made editor
>> (which Chris already did).
>>
>>> Thanks
>>> MarkoDeablo
>>>
>>> On 29 September 2017 at 14:48, Chris Angelico <ros...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 11:35 PM, Marko Deablo
>>>> <markodea...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> I am getting the status 'Immutable page' is there a step I need to do?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Mark.
>>>>
>>>> Which page? Also - please ask on the list, as I'm not the only one here.
>>>>
>>>> ChrisA
>>>>
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Request to make amendments

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On 29.09.2017 15:52, Marko Deablo via pydotorg-www wrote:
> Hi,
> The page I am wishing to edit is
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/MySQL
> 
> It is giving me the status 'Immutable page'

The page is editable once you log in and have been made editor
(which Chris already did).

> Thanks
> MarkoDeablo
> 
> On 29 September 2017 at 14:48, Chris Angelico  wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 11:35 PM, Marko Deablo
>>  wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I am getting the status 'Immutable page' is there a step I need to do?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Mark.
>>
>> Which page? Also - please ask on the list, as I'm not the only one here.
>>
>> ChrisA
>>
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Just a beginner wanting to contribute

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If you'd like to add it, please create a wiki user account. We
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On 16.09.2017 17:39, Nikola Ivanov wrote:
> 
>  Hi, 
>   Guys, just a learner here.  Being so difficult to find good resources with 
> tutorials and lessons on programming with Python, I came across this website: 
>  https://snakify.org/  They have very nice written lessons, extensive 
> exercises and they can check your code as you go.  I tried to see if it was 
> already in the beginners/nonprogrammers section of the wiki but couldn`t find 
> it, so decided to tell you about it.  
>   Best Regards,  
>   Nikola Ivanov
>   
>  
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Re: [pydotorg-www] [Python Wiki] Update of "BeginnersGuide/Programmers" by ranjitbhatta

[M.-A. Lemburg]

On 23.08.2017 15:32, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> I'm not sure what we think of "changing placement" changes.  As long as
> it doesn't start a war, I guess this one is ok, but do we have any
> guidance for wiki editors on changes of this nature?

I think it's better to have a generic entry at the top and
the more specific ones below.

Changes such as these, which essentially promote sites which makes
revenue off of ads, are not really useful and as can be seen in this
case, have other people complain.

I'll revert the change.

> On 08/23/2017 04:07 AM, Python Wiki wrote:
>> Dear Wiki user,
>>
>> You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Python Wiki" for 
>> change notification.
>>
>> The "BeginnersGuide/Programmers" page has been changed by ranjitbhatta:
>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Programmers?action=diff=159=160
>>
>> Comment:
>> Getting Started With Python Guide moved to top.
>>
>>   The tutorials on this page are aimed at people who have previous 
>> experience with other programming languages (C, Perl, Lisp, Visual Basic, 
>> etc.). Also of potential interest are such related Beginners Guides as 
>> [[BeginnersGuide/Overview]] and BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers, and the tips 
>> in MovingToPythonFromOtherLanguages.
>>   
>>   == Books, Websites, Tutorials (non-interactive) ==
>> +  * [[https://www.programiz.com/python-programming| Learn Python - Tutorial 
>> for Beginners]] A comprehensive Python guide to get started, Python 
>> tutorials and examples for beginners.
>>* [[https://hackr.io/tutorials/learn-python| Learn Python - Best Python 
>> Tutorials]] Python tutorials recommended by the programming community.
>> -  * [[https://www.programiz.com/python-programming| Learn Python - Tutorial 
>> for Beginners]] A comprehensive Python guide to get started, Python 
>> tutorials and examples for beginners.
>>* 
>> [[http://www.afterhoursprogramming.com/tutorial/Python/Introduction/|After 
>> Hours Programming's Python Introduction]] A beginners introduction into 
>> Python.
>>* [[http://www.checkio.org|CheckiO interactive learning resource]] 
>> Creative way to improve Python skills with interesting tasks, it also 
>> supports Python 3|2
>>* [[http://www.tutorialspoint.com/python/index.htm|Basic to Advanced 
>> Tutorial]] A good tutorial on Python especially for the beginners.
>>
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Local User Groups Page Edit

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On 12.08.2017 16:46, Kevin Najimi wrote:
> User name: KevinNajimi

Thanks. I've made you an editor now, so you can go ahead and
add the user group.

>> On Aug 12, 2017, at 5:20 AM, M.-A. Lemburg <m...@egenix.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Kevin,
>>
>> please send in your wiki user name.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> On 11.08.2017 05:55, Kevin Najimi wrote:
>>> Hi there.  Just wanting to add MKE Python to the very bottom of the list.  
>>> Would you help me out by allowing me to edit the page?
>>>
>>> https://www.meetup.com/MKE-Python-Meetup/
>>>
>>> We’ll be using our meetup site link until we get our domain and site 
>>> figured out…http://www.mkepython.com...need to find the previous owner and 
>>> transition ownership.  
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Local User Groups Page Edit

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Hi Kevin,

please send in your wiki user name.

Thanks.


On 11.08.2017 05:55, Kevin Najimi wrote:
> Hi there.  Just wanting to add MKE Python to the very bottom of the list.  
> Would you help me out by allowing me to edit the page?
> 
> https://www.meetup.com/MKE-Python-Meetup/
> 
> We’ll be using our meetup site link until we get our domain and site figured 
> out…http://www.mkepython.com...need to find the previous owner and transition 
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> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] wiki maintenance ideas?

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Keeping a wiki up to date is certainly possible, but it's a lot
of work and needs people who care about it or at least parts of it.

Specifically for the beginners resources, I could imagine that
we'd find people who are interested in this, but asking on this
list is probably not a good way to reach them.

Perhaps you could try on the psf-community list.

We do have a page for this:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/SiteImprovements

but it's outdated.

Perhaps archiving the older bits and reviving the page with
more focus on the wiki would help. We could then also move it
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On 08.08.2017 17:52, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> 
> In an ideal world, interested parties fix things on the wiki when they
> find they have problems. And I'm heartened there's been a spate of
> link-fixing contributions recently, system working the way it's supposed
> to :)
> 
> Does it make any sense to think about any kind of more systematic
> maintenance activities?  Is wiki (content) maintenance even a possible
> thing? They are generally pretty notorious for this: it's a wiki, you
> can update it, but if you didn't just update it it's probably out of
> date and inaccurate.
> 
> There are really two things...
> 
> - errors.  links go stale all the time, is there any point in looking
> for a tool that could crawl the wiki infrequently (on the order of once
> every many months) to test if links outside the wiki still resolve to
> something and report problems?
> 
> - quality. Here are a couple of examples I ran into just this morning
> looking at some things that landed in the inbox.
> 
> The page on beginner errors:
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnerErrorsWithPythonProgramming
> 
> got an update (broken link fixing only), and I was curious and looked at
> it.  It's not terribly useful as is - the notes also indicate it was
> imported from elsewhere. This *could* be a very useful page: as a
> python-tutor participant, I see common themes repeatedly; it would also
> be great to hear from instructors on what trips students up (I haven't
> taught a Python class since 2002 so I don't have any current
> contributions on that front). This page tried to do that, but then goes
> off in strange weeds... "The latter issue has been fixed, but the former
> has not and very likely never will".  Python is what it is, how about
> ideas for how to teach people in an anticipatory way to avoid well-known
> gotchas instead of focusing on how the language might or might not be
> "fixed"? Page still has references to "Python 3000", which means it's,
> ummm, fairly dated :)
> 
> One of the resources pages,
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Programmers
> 
> also had link-fix activity.  this page suffers from the "list of
> resources" problem, where a bunch of links are just dumped here with no
> ordering (how do you order them?), and once the lists get more than a
> few entries, it's hard to know what to follow. And every so often we can
> expect to go through "moving my link up to a better place" wars like
> we've seen before.  I found the Google class listed in two sections,
> both with old (but not yet broken) links to obsolete Google Code
> addresses, cleaned that up on the way past (there's only one copy now).
> 
> 
> Any thoughts on how resources like this could be made more useful?
> Maybe keep a wiki page of "if you feel like contributing to Python, here
> are some pages that could stand improvement"?
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Weekly report of my work on python.org

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On 25.07.2017 12:03, Berker Peksağ wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 1:18 AM, Mariatta Wijaya
>  wrote:
>> Thanks so much for all the work you've done, Berker.
> 
> Thank you, Mariatta!

Thank you indeed, Berker, for all your help for the Python
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Login with Google Fails

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Hi Grant,

Google logins no longer work on the wiki, since Google
has switched off OpenID support.

Please use password based login instead. If you can provide
your user account name, I could look up the email address
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On 08.07.2017 23:38, Grant Jenks wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am trying to login at https://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage?action=login
> using the Google Openid method. When I click the G icon, it says OpenID
> discovery failure, not a valid OpenID. My username is Grant.Jenks and I am
> happy to login using a password but I can not manage to reset my password
> either. Please help.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Grant Jenks
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Do we need the admonition about Itanium processors?

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On 30.06.2017 10:58, Alex Walters wrote:
> On the download page on python.org, all the windows 64 bit downloads have a
> note stating that the download is not for Itanium processors.
> https://i.imgur.com/A05oQmp.png (Image for illustration)
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itanium#Market_share
> 
> I am not sure that it's entirely required to make the admonition, as there
> are just not that many Itanium machines in the wild (compared to arm or a
> flavor of x86).  I'm not going to say that stating that they are not for
> Itanium is bad, but I don't think it's something we need to do, especially
> since the download link even says "X86-64".
> 
> Perhaps in the future, don't include the note?  Or do, this is just a
> thought I had while looking at the download page.

Could you open a report on the python.org tracker for this ?

https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/issues

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Re: [pydotorg-www] let me edit my homepage please

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On 01.07.2017 19:59, Alex Martelli wrote:
> Hi, I'm AlexMartelli and my homepage's out of date; I'd like to bring it up
> to date (current job, latest book, etc). Can you please add me to the
> editors group?

Hi Alex,

I've added you. Happy editing and see you at EuroPython :-)

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Re: [pydotorg-www] let this be a warning to would-be wiki editors

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On 28.06.2017 09:17, Martijn Pieters wrote:
> On 27 Jun 2017, at 14:54, Barry Warsaw  wrote:
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 03:31 PM, Fox wrote:
>>
>>> you wanna put up with this ?
>>
>> Not really.  Can we block this guy?
> 
> Looks like someone did:
> 
> List of non-member addresses whose postings will be immediately held for 
> moderation.
> fire...@firemail.cc
> 
> List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically rejected. 
> fire...@firemail.cc
> 
> List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically discarded. 
> fire...@firemail.cc

Thanks.

> The list is also set to auto-hold messages from non-subscribers now.

Hmm, this will not work well, since this list is the go to
place when asking for wiki edit permission and for reporting
other python.org related issues.

Could this be lifted again ?

BTW: Who do we need to contact for changes to this lists
configuration ? The -owner address ?

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit Access, too

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On 27.06.2017 00:25, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> On 27.06.2017 00:08, Fox wrote:
>> On 27.06.2017 00:06, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>>> On 26.06.2017 09:00, firefox wrote:
>>>> account name:   FirFoxxx
>>>>
>>>> intended edits: https://wiki.python.org/moin/CmdModule , homepage
>>>
>>> Please be more specific about your intended edits.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>
>>
>> well the article is a disgrace, with 2 dead links.
> 
> In what way do you intend to improve it ?
> 
>> why do you not autoremove all dead links ?
> 
> Moin doesn't have such a feature, AFAIK.
> 
> It's also not clear whether this would really help - often enough dead
> links can still be made to work by going via archive.org, so
> automatically removing them would result in loss of information.
> 
> A better solution would be to try to make the link work again
> or replace it with an updated one. This requires editors willing
> to contribute their time.

I found a new reference for the Komodo link and removed the
console.py one, since the only other package using that name
doesn't seem to use the cmd module.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit Access, too

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On 26.06.2017 09:00, firefox wrote:
> account name:   FirFoxxx
> 
> intended edits: https://wiki.python.org/moin/CmdModule , homepage

Please be more specific about your intended edits.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Proposed edits from new user

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Nice. I made you an editor now. Happy editing !

On 06.06.2017 18:35, Dmitry Sagalovskiy wrote:
> Dear admins,
> 
> I created a new account, user name "DmitryS". I'd like to add
> information to a couple of pages related to Python sandboxing efforts
> about a relevant project.
> 
> To https://wiki.python.org/moin/SandboxedPython, I would like to edit
> Reactions to add my comment:
> 
> We created a project https://github.com/dsagal/pynbox to run Python
> in a NativeClient OS-level sandbox. It makes it easy to install
> (root not required), works cross-platform, supports native modules,
> and allows configuring read/write access to specific directories to
> serve as the in-sandbox filesystem root. We use it at Grist Labs,
> but would love to know if there is wider interest and to get feedback.
> 
> 
> And to here:
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/Asking%20for%20Help/How%20can%20I%20run%20an%20untrusted%20Python%20script%20safely%20%28i.e.%20Sandbox%29
> 
> I suggest using https://github.com/dsagal/pynbox, Python in a
> NativeClient (NaCL) sandbox. NaCL is the best project I know of to
> run native code in a sandbox, which is what the question is asking
> for. We created Pynbox to make it easy to install and run Python
> under NaCL, including ability to use native modules. Building new
> native modules is more involved, but there are instructions and an
> example.
> 
>  
> Thank you!
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Access Granting

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Hi Chukwudi,

could you let us know what you intend to contribute as
editor ?

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On 23.05.2017 08:10, Chukwudi Nwachukwu wrote:
> My account name is nwaomachux. Thanks
> 
> 
> *iChux*™
> https://ng.linkedin.com/in/ichux
> http://stackoverflow.com/story/nwaomachux
> 
> https://gist.github.com/nwaomachux
> 
> 
> *You haven't experienced the joy of giving until it hurts to do so.**Behind
> every no entry sign, there is a door.*
> 
> On 23 May 2017 at 06:12, Chukwudi Nwachukwu  wrote:
> 
>> Dear Admin,
>>
>> I request access to this account. Thanks
>>
>> iChux
>>
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Google is rejecting contact emails

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Hello all,

this is not something the PSF can fix. We have the following
CNAME entry in the pycon.org record for you:

; in.pycon.org is managed by the PSSI (Anand B Pillai)
in.pycon.org.   IN  CNAME   pycon.pssi.org.in.

so whatever configuration is needed, has to be done on the
pycon.pssi.org.in domain entry.

Also note that the Google error is referring to IPv6 errors on
the *sending* side, so the senders will probably have to
fix their IPv6 configuration (in particular, add reverse DNS
entries for their sending IPs, which people/ISPs often forget).

If you are forwarding emails to GMail, then you have to make
sure that the forwarder has these things configured.

At the moment, in.pycon.org doesn't have IPv6 DNS entries,
which may be causing the error.

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On 19.04.2017 09:17, Steve Holden wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I've forwarded your message to postmas...@python.org
> , who will hopefully be able to help
> resolve it.
> 
> regards
>  Steve
> 
> Steve Holden
> 
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 7:50 AM, qua non  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Hopefully this is the correct mail to go for support on this, if not
> could you please give me the correct e-mail to contact.
> 
> We are getting a issue where the mail is being dropped by google
> cause of issues with ipv6.
> 
> Reference mail address being cont...@in.pycon.org
>  
> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: *Kracekumar Ramaraj*  >
> Date: Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:35 PM
> Subject: Google is rejecting contact emails
> To: Sreekanth S Rameshaiah  >, Vignesh Sarma  >, anandpillai
> >,
> qua non >,
> vijay kumar >
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
>  All the incoming emails to cont...@in.pycon.org
>  aren't reaching to anyone. Google is
> rejecting every one of them due to following reason.
> 
> 
> Our system has detected that\n550-5.7.1 this message does not meet
> IPv6 sending guidelines regarding PTR\n550-5.7.1 records and
> authentication. Please review\n550-5.7.1
>  https://support.google.com/mail/?p=IPv6AuthError
>  for more
> information\n550 5.7.1 . j88si11513867pfj.117 - gsmtp
> 
> The parent domain PyCon.org needs to update information mentioned in
> the above URL. 
> 
> PSF system admins should look into this and fix it. 
> 
> Anand, could you reach out to PSF folks? If you have any doubts you
> can ask Vignesh who is in the email chain.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Expired HTTPS certificate for wiki.python.org

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Hi Stefan,

thanks for pinging us. We are already aware and trying to get
it fixed:

https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/issues/1050

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On 02.02.2017 12:35, Stefan Knorr wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would almost presume you already know about this but wiki.python.org
> has an expired HTTPS certificate (since today, Feb 2, 2017).
> 
> This error is not even overridable in Firefox (because the site uses
> HSTS), though it is overridable in Chrome.
> 
> Stefan.
> 
> (I am not a member of this list, please CC me.)
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Changes in the list of user groups

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On 16.01.2017 11:53, Honza Javorek wrote:
> I tried to create an account at
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage?action=newaccount, but I'm getting
> 504 Gateway Time-out.

I restarted Apache. Please try again now.

> HJ
> 
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Chris Angelico  wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Honza Javorek 
>> wrote:
>>> I found this page https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups and to
>> me it
>>> seems rather outdated in the "Czech & Slovak" section -
>>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups#Czech_and_Slovak. Could you
>>> please remove the section and create two separate sections like this?
>>
>> How about I give you the power to edit it yourself? :) Create yourself
>> a user and I can grant you editing rights.
>>
>> ChrisA
>>
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Book feature on wiki.python.org/moin/TkInter

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Hi Eesha,

you can go ahead an update the link to the Packt book
on the page, but please don't add more links to that
page:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/TkInter

BTW: Has Packt considered becoming a PSF sponsor:
https://www.python.org/psf/sponsorship/
Given how many Python books you have, this would be
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On 13.12.2016 05:02, Eesha Harish wrote:
> Hi Chris/Marc, 
> 
> Just following to know your thoughts on my previous email. 
> 
> Regards 
> Eesha 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Eesha Harish 
> Key Partner Executive 
> Skype: packt.eeshah 
> 
> 
>   
>   www.packtpub.com 
> 
> Packt Publishing Private Limited. Registered Address: Plot No. 103, Arena 
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> Mumbai 400093. CIN:U22100MH2005PTC152766 
> This E-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. If you are 
> not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or use any part of it. 
> If you have received this message in error, please delete it and all copies 
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> Packt Publishing Ltd take every reasonable precaution to avoid the transfer 
> of software viruses or defects that may cause damage to computer systems; it 
> is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that all emails and 
> attachments received are free from infection. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "Eesha Harish" <ees...@packtpub.com> 
> To: "M.-A. Lemburg" <m...@python.org> 
> Cc: pydotorg-www@python.org, "Chris Angelico" <ros...@gmail.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 9:11:16 AM 
> Subject: Re: [pydotorg-www] Book feature on wiki.python.org/moin/TkInter 
> 
> 
> Hi Chris/Marc, 
> 
> Nice to e-meet you and thanks for your reply. 
> 
> I think listing packt books on the page is helping the community in their 
> learning and development. 
> And since Packt has the older version of Tkinter on that page it would be 
> great to have the updated version on the same page. 
> 
> I would be very happy to provide you with a review copy, if you wish to go 
> through the video before sharing it with the community. 
> 
> Let me know your thoughts on this. 
> 
> Thanks & Regards 
> Eesha 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Eesha Harish 
> Key Partner Executive 
> Skype: packt.eeshah 
> 
> 
>   
>   www.packtpub.com 
> 
> Packt Publishing Private Limited. Registered Address: Plot No. 103, Arena 
> House, 3rd Floor, Road No.12, Opp. Goldfinch Hotel, MIDC, Andheri East, 
> Mumbai 400093. CIN:U22100MH2005PTC152766 
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> Packt Publishing Ltd take every reasonable precaution to avoid the transfer 
> of software viruses or defects that may cause damage to computer systems; it 
> is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that all emails and 
> attachments received are free from infection. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "M.-A. Lemburg" <m...@python.org> 
> To: "Chris Angelico" <ros...@gmail.com>, "Eesha Harish" <ees...@packtpub.com> 
> Cc: pydotorg-www@python.org 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 7:19:23 PM 
> Subject: Re: [pydotorg-www] Book feature on wiki.python.org/moin/TkInter 
> 
> On 06.12.2016 12:02, Chris Angelico wrote: 
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 9:36 PM, Eesha Harish <ees...@packtpub.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>> We already list our products on https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks 
>>> and https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntroductoryBooks 
>>> But I am unable to edit 'Tkinter' page. I would be great if you could 
>>> provide an access to edit this page. 
>>
>> The page was protected back in 2014 in response to massive spam. M-A, 
>> does it need to remain protected, or can that directive be dropped now 
>> that we're guarding editors differently? 
> 
> I think we can drop the protection on that page. 
> 
> At the same time, I don't think that Packt should be adding 
> their book links to more pages on the wiki. The two 
> book pages already mostly list Packt books and hardly any 
> of the alternatives. 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] DimitriosKarolidis

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On 09.12.2016 19:55, Δημήτριος Καρολίδης wrote:
> Please add me to the EditorsGroup

Could you please let us know what you would like to edit ?

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Book feature on wiki.python.org/moin/TkInter

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On 06.12.2016 12:02, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 9:36 PM, Eesha Harish  wrote:
>>
>> We already list our products on https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks 
>> and https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntroductoryBooks
>> But I am unable to edit 'Tkinter' page. I would be great if you could 
>> provide an access to edit this page.
> 
> The page was protected back in 2014 in response to massive spam. M-A,
> does it need to remain protected, or can that directive be dropped now
> that we're guarding editors differently?

I think we can drop the protection on that page.

At the same time, I don't think that Packt should be adding
their book links to more pages on the wiki. The two
book pages already mostly list Packt books and hardly any
of the alternatives.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing LocalUserGroups

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On 10.11.2016 13:07, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> On 10.11.2016 11:44, Xavier Combelle wrote:
>> looks like a byte/unicode problem
> 
> This is likely, yes.
> 
>> I have little idea for the truncation but for the TypeError, looks like
>> safe_str_equal seems the buggy one is
>> a lot too much overkill, as it is very unlikely that someone would want
>> to make a timing attack on captcha.
>>
>> So I would suggest as a quick fix to replace safe_str_equal by a classic ==
>>
>> A long term improvement would be to log the full stack trace on all
>> exceptions
> 
> The truncation appears to be the result of this method:
> 
> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9/file/561b7a9c2bd9/MoinMoin/security/textcha.py#l175
> 
> which blindly removes characters from the question in combination
> with this bug:
> 
> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9/diff/561b7a9c2bd9/MoinMoin/security/textcha.py
> 
> (hmac.new() defaults to MD5, but the ._extract_form_values() method
> removes data based on the length of an SHA1 hash)
> 
> I guess it would be better to use a regexp for splitting off
> the hash and timestamp.
> 
> I'll apply the fix for the hmac.new() manually now.

After applying the patch, the problem with the truncation
appears to have gone. I was also able to successfully edit
pages.

Could you please also try and check ?

Thanks.

>> Le 10/11/2016 à 10:42, M.-A. Lemburg a écrit :
>>> I checked the logs. They are full of entries like these:
>>>
>>> [Thu Nov 10 08:06:36 2016] [error] 2016-11-10 08:06:36,257 INFO
>>> MoinMoin.security.textcha:159 TextCha: failure (u='x.x.x.x', a='van',
>>> re='[Never match for cheaters]', q='What is van Rossum's fir',
>>> rsn='TypeError during signature check')
>>>
>>> Here's the associated code:
>>>
>>> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9/file/561b7a9c2bd9/MoinMoin/security/textcha.py#l129
>>>
>>> What's strange is the truncated question and the TypeError.
>>>
>>> I've put Thomas Waldmann on CC. Perhaps he can add some more
>>> insights.
>>>
>>> Thomas: I have upgraded the moin installation to 1.9.9 and
>>> we're getting lots of textcha errors since then. Questions
>>> get truncated and TypeErrors appear to prevent any textcha
>>> from succeeding, it seems.
>>>
>>> Any ideas ?
>>>
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing LocalUserGroups

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On 10.11.2016 11:44, Xavier Combelle wrote:
> looks like a byte/unicode problem

This is likely, yes.

> I have little idea for the truncation but for the TypeError, looks like
> safe_str_equal seems the buggy one is
> a lot too much overkill, as it is very unlikely that someone would want
> to make a timing attack on captcha.
> 
> So I would suggest as a quick fix to replace safe_str_equal by a classic ==
> 
> A long term improvement would be to log the full stack trace on all
> exceptions

The truncation appears to be the result of this method:

http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9/file/561b7a9c2bd9/MoinMoin/security/textcha.py#l175

which blindly removes characters from the question in combination
with this bug:

http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9/diff/561b7a9c2bd9/MoinMoin/security/textcha.py

(hmac.new() defaults to MD5, but the ._extract_form_values() method
removes data based on the length of an SHA1 hash)

I guess it would be better to use a regexp for splitting off
the hash and timestamp.

I'll apply the fix for the hmac.new() manually now.

> Le 10/11/2016 à 10:42, M.-A. Lemburg a écrit :
>> I checked the logs. They are full of entries like these:
>>
>> [Thu Nov 10 08:06:36 2016] [error] 2016-11-10 08:06:36,257 INFO
>> MoinMoin.security.textcha:159 TextCha: failure (u='x.x.x.x', a='van',
>> re='[Never match for cheaters]', q='What is van Rossum's fir',
>> rsn='TypeError during signature check')
>>
>> Here's the associated code:
>>
>> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9/file/561b7a9c2bd9/MoinMoin/security/textcha.py#l129
>>
>> What's strange is the truncated question and the TypeError.
>>
>> I've put Thomas Waldmann on CC. Perhaps he can add some more
>> insights.
>>
>> Thomas: I have upgraded the moin installation to 1.9.9 and
>> we're getting lots of textcha errors since then. Questions
>> get truncated and TypeErrors appear to prevent any textcha
>> from succeeding, it seems.
>>
>> Any ideas ?
>>
>> Thanks,
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing LocalUserGroups

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On 09.11.2016 22:22, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Florian Ludwig  wrote:
>> Thank you very much.
>>
>> Sadly I could not edit the page as it always complains I am not correctly
>> answering the captcha: "TextCha: Wrong answer! Try again below..."
>>
>> Interestingly the captcha shortens with every try.  For example:
>>
>> # on first try, answer is 2 ;)
>>  l = [1,2,3]; l.remove(1); l[0] ==
>>
>> # after pressing save, the captcha just looks like this:
>>  l = [1,2,3]; l.remove(1);
>>
>> # and saving again it would look like:
>>  l = [1,2,3]; l.re
>>
> 
> Fascinating. You're not the first to report textcha issues, but you're
> the first to mention this. M-A, does this help track down what's going
> on?

Has this been happening only since yesterday or before that as
well ? I'm asking because I upgraded moin on the VM yesterday,
so it may be related to the upgrade.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Removing/disabling inactive users from wiki.python.org

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On 08.11.2016 16:31, Carl Karsten wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 9:18 AM, M.-A. Lemburg <m...@egenix.com> wrote:
> 
>> Since we currently have more than 88k user records for the Python
>> wiki,
>>
> 
> 
> 88k surprises me.  Where did they come from?

Many are probably from automated user record creation scripts
and most of those likely from the days where we did not have
textchas enabled.

We're currently getting around 75 accounts created per day,
so even with textchas, people have obviously found a way
to work around them.

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[pydotorg-www] Removing/disabling inactive users from wiki.python.org

[M.-A. Lemburg]

Hello,

I have just upgraded the moin package on wiki.python.org to 1.9.9.
As part of this, we now have a new maintenance command to disable
or remove inactive users.

According to the tool inactive users are users who have never
edited a page on the wiki.

For wikis such as the PSF one, people do need a login to see some
of the pages, and editing is not necessarily done by everyone.

On the main wiki, I'm not aware of pages which are protected by
ACLs to require login to see (only to edit).

For Jython, I don't know at all, so won't touch this.

Since we currently have more than 88k user records for the Python
wiki, but only 4k active users, I'd like to experiment this command,
even though it's dangerous.

My feeling is that the slowness of the wiki is largely caused by
the many user records we have. Moin appears to these for subscriptions
when making edits to pages.

We have three options:
1. leave everything as is
2. disable all but the 4k active users who have made edits
3. remove all but the 4k active users who have made edits

Of course, we'd run a backup before applying any of this,
to be able to revert in case people complain.

Thoughts ?

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: [Webmaster] Python tutorial playlist

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On 06.11.2016 18:33, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 4:22 AM, Matthias Pieroth
>  wrote:
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> seems like the server for the wiki is not responing currently so I can't
>> login or get my password again, cause i don't know it anymore. Also
>> recreating the account doesn't work, I get a 504 gatway error.
>>
>> But I created it, username was jayanam.
> 
> Server might need to be given a kick in the pants so it gets going
> again. But when it does, you should be able to log in. I've given you
> editing access under that name.

I just checked: logins work fine.

BTW: We added more CPU power to the VM, so these timeouts should
happen less often than in the past.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Steering search engines and users away from 3.0/3.1 docs?

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On 03.11.2016 15:22, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> Should I open a ticket on some issue tracker so this doesn't get lost?
> bugs.python.org seems wrong (language, not website), and mail to
> d...@python.org seems to be related to the documentation itself, not the
> mechanics of its presentation through the web.

It's probably best to file a bug on
https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/issues

or directly file a PR again:

https://github.com/python/psf-salt/blob/master/salt/docs/config/nginx.docs-backend.conf

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Steering search engines and users away from 3.0/3.1 docs?

[M.-A. Lemburg]

On 31.10.2016 19:42, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> Not quite sure where this should go, so I'll start here.
> 
> I needed to look up a bit more information about the timeit module than I
> happened to be carrying around in my noggin just now, so I asked Google to
> tell me about "Python timeit". The first three hits were:
> 
> https://docs.python.org/2/library/timeit.html
> https://docs.python.org/3.0/library/timeit.html
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8220801/how-to-use-timeit-module
> 
> The first and third hits are fine. The second, not so much. At this point,
> I think any and all links directly into the 3.0 (and maybe 3.1)
> documentation should perhaps redirect to the supported
> https://docs.python.org/3 pages, at least unless URLs carry some sort of
> "yes-damnit!" parameter. Maybe the robots.txt file should "disallow"
> traversal of the /3.0 and /3.1 trees as well.

The idea with the robots.txt file is a good one; not sure about
the suggestion to force a redirect to /3/, since those version,
albeit un-maintained may still be in use.

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