Re: How do I access IDLE in Win7

[W. eWatson]

I've given this problem over to the Python Tutor mail-list. I can 
capture screens more easily than manipulate in cmd.exe. It may be a 
preference problem on who owns what. SYSTEM seems to be the owner, and 
not me.


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Re: How do I access IDLE in Win7

[W. eWatson]

On 7/28/2011 8:10 AM, W. eWatson wrote:

On 7/28/2011 6:19 AM, Jerry Hill wrote:

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 5:26 PM, W. eWatson
wrote:

.py=Python.File
.pyw=Python.NoConFile
Python.File="C:\Python25\python.exe" "%1" %*
Python.File="C:\Python25\python.exe" "%1" %*
Python.NoConFile="C:\Python25\pythonw.exe" "%1" %*


That all looks good.


I cannot copy from the cmd window. It ends with [errorno 13] Permission
denied to c:||Users\\Wayne\\idlerc\\recent-files.lst'


That sounds like the root of the problem, then. I'm assuming Wayne is
your username, but I don't know why you wouldn't have permission to
access something in your own user directory. Can you try deleting
that file in the windows explorer? You could try messing with the
permissions, but I doubt you care about a recent file list that sounds
several months old. You might even try removing (or renaming) the
whole C:\Users\Wayne\idlerc folder. Idle should re-build anything it
needs if it's not there when you start up.


It's a hidden file. I tried deleting w/o success so changed the name.
The file was dated 5/??/2010.

I tried the usual method of right-click on junk.py to see if Edit with
IDLE would appear in the menu. It didn't, so I tried a right-click to
Choose default program to idle.pyw. Using it again gave me an invalid
32-bit message.

I am able to get a proper response at the command level by entering
pythonw.exe. >>> print "abc" works fine. I've forgotten how to get out
of >>>. I'm killing the command window.

idle.pyw brings up IDLE at the command level.
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Re: How do I access IDLE in Win7

[W. eWatson]

On 7/28/2011 6:19 AM, Jerry Hill wrote:

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 5:26 PM, W. eWatson  wrote:

.py=Python.File
.pyw=Python.NoConFile
Python.File="C:\Python25\python.exe" "%1" %*
Python.File="C:\Python25\python.exe" "%1" %*
Python.NoConFile="C:\Python25\pythonw.exe" "%1" %*


That all looks good.


I cannot copy from the cmd window. It ends with [errorno 13] Permission
denied to c:||Users\\Wayne\\idlerc\\recent-files.lst'


That sounds like the root of the problem, then.  I'm assuming Wayne is
your username, but I don't know why you wouldn't have permission to
access something in your own user directory.  Can you try deleting
that file in the windows explorer?  You could try messing with the
permissions, but I doubt you care about a recent file list that sounds
several months old.  You might even try removing (or renaming) the
whole C:\Users\Wayne\idlerc folder.  Idle should re-build anything it
needs if it's not there when you start up.

It's a hidden file. I tried deleting w/o success so changed the name. 
The file was dated 5/??/2010.


I tried the usual method of right-click on junk.py to see if Edit with 
IDLE would appear in the menu. It didn't, so I tried a right-click to 
Choose default program to idle.pyw. Using it again gave me an invalid 
32-bit message.


I am able to get a proper response at the command level by entering 
pythonw.exe.  >>> print "abc" works fine.  I've forgotten how to get out 
of >>>. I'm killing the command window.

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Re: How do I access IDLE in Win7

[Jerry Hill]

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 5:26 PM, W. eWatson  wrote:
> .py=Python.File
> .pyw=Python.NoConFile
> Python.File="C:\Python25\python.exe" "%1" %*
> Python.File="C:\Python25\python.exe" "%1" %*
> Python.NoConFile="C:\Python25\pythonw.exe" "%1" %*

That all looks good.

> I cannot copy from the cmd window. It ends with [errorno 13] Permission
> denied to c:||Users\\Wayne\\idlerc\\recent-files.lst'

That sounds like the root of the problem, then.  I'm assuming Wayne is
your username, but I don't know why you wouldn't have permission to
access something in your own user directory.  Can you try deleting
that file in the windows explorer?  You could try messing with the
permissions, but I doubt you care about a recent file list that sounds
several months old.  You might even try removing (or renaming) the
whole C:\Users\Wayne\idlerc folder.  Idle should re-build anything it
needs if it's not there when you start up.

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Re: How do I access IDLE in Win7

[Thomas Jollans]

On 2011-07-28 13:56, W. eWatson wrote:

On 7/27/2011 9:46 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:


{and that was captured by a  in the command window, "select
all", another  to capture, then move to the newreader and
  to paste}
I'm quite willing to do this in the command window, but I know of no 
way to copy it.


*facepalm*
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Re: How do I access IDLE in Win7

[W. eWatson]

On 7/27/2011 9:46 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 17:28:38 -0700, "W. eWatson"
  declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:



For junk.py, I tried Open With->Choose default program. I selected
idle.pyw. When I tried the new default for getting to IDLE, it
complained it was not a valid 32-bit app. That's very strange.


Quite expected... idle.pyw is a Python byte code file... IT needs to
be run using a Python interpreter (pythonw.exe to suppress the shell
window).

What happens IN the command/shell if you type (replace the
with the correct string on your installation)

python -vidle.pyw

This is my install:

E:\UserData\Wulfraed\My Documents>e:\Python25\python -v
e:\Python25\Lib\idlelib\idle.pyw

# installing zipimport hook
import zipimport # builtin
# installed zipimport hook
# e:\Python25\lib\site.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\site.py
import site # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\site.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\os.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\os.py
import os # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\os.pyc
import errno # builtin
import nt # builtin
# e:\Python25\lib\ntpath.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\ntpath.py
import ntpath # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\ntpath.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\stat.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\stat.py
import stat # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\stat.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\UserDict.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\UserDict.py
import UserDict # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\UserDict.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\copy_reg.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\copy_reg.py
import copy_reg # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\copy_reg.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\types.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\types.py
import types # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\types.pyc
import _types # builtin
# zipimport: found 45 names in
e:\Python25\lib\site-packages\simplejson-2.0.3-py2.5.egg
# zipimport: found 33 names in
e:\Python25\lib\site-packages\ruledispatch-0.5a1.dev_r2506-py2.5-
win32.egg
# zipimport: found 15 names in
e:\Python25\lib\site-packages\decoratortools-1.7-py2.5.egg
# zipimport: found 9 names in
e:\Python25\lib\site-packages\configobj-4.5.3-py2.5.egg
# zipimport: found 15 names in
e:\Python25\lib\site-packages\extremes-1.1-py2.5.egg
# zipimport: found 43 names in
e:\Python25\lib\site-packages\pyprotocols-1.0a0-py2.5-win32.egg
# e:\Python25\lib\locale.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\locale.py
import locale # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\locale.pyc
import encodings # directory e:\Python25\lib\encodings
# e:\Python25\lib\encodings\__init__.pyc matches
e:\Python25\lib\encodings\__init__.py
import encodings # precompiled from
e:\Python25\lib\encodings\__init__.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\codecs.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\codecs.py
import codecs # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\codecs.pyc
import _codecs # builtin
# e:\Python25\lib\encodings\aliases.pyc matches
e:\Python25\lib\encodings\aliases.py
import encodings.aliases # precompiled from
e:\Python25\lib\encodings\aliases.pyc
import _locale # builtin
# e:\Python25\lib\re.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\re.py
import re # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\re.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\sre_compile.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\sre_compile.py
import sre_compile # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\sre_compile.pyc
import _sre # builtin
# e:\Python25\lib\sre_constants.pyc matches
e:\Python25\lib\sre_constants.py
import sre_constants # precompiled from
e:\Python25\lib\sre_constants.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\sre_parse.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\sre_parse.py
import sre_parse # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\sre_parse.pyc
import operator # builtin
# e:\Python25\lib\encodings\cp1252.pyc matches
e:\Python25\lib\encodings\cp1252.py
import encodings.cp1252 # precompiled from
e:\Python25\lib\encodings\cp1252.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\warnings.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\warnings.py
import warnings # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\warnings.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\linecache.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\linecache.py
import linecache # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\linecache.pyc
ActivePython 2.5.2.2 (ActiveState Software Inc.) based on
Python 2.5.2 (r252:60911, Mar 27 2008, 17:57:18) [MSC v.1310 32 bit
(Intel)] on win32
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
import idlelib # directory e:\Python25\lib\idlelib
# e:\Python25\lib\idlelib\__init__.pyc matches
e:\Python25\lib\idlelib\__init__.py
import idlelib # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\idlelib\__init__.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\idlelib\PyShell.pyc matches
e:\Python25\lib\idlelib\PyShell.py
import idlelib.PyShell # precompiled from
e:\Python25\lib\idlelib\PyShell.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\string.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\string.py
import string # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\string.pyc
import strop # builtin
# e:\Python25\lib\getopt.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\getopt.py
import getopt # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\getopt.pyc
# e:\Python25\lib\socket.pyc matches e:\Python25\lib\socket.py
import socket # precompiled from e:\Python25\lib\socket.pyc
import _socket # dynamically loaded

Re: How do I access IDLE in Win7

[W. eWatson]

In the mean time, I punted and re-installed. It's still not quite right. 
I uninstalled it. I was asked during install if I wanted to remove 
c:\Python25. It was still there and had several folders (Lib, Scripts) 
and files (fishe.py, RemovePIL.exe, junk.py). I said yes. It installed 
2.5.2.


Edit with IDLE still fails, as does a simple py file like junk.py (has 
five lines of simple math). That is executing junk.py or trying to get 
it into IDLE doesn't work.


For junk.py, I tried Open With->Choose default program. I selected 
idle.pyw. When I tried the new default for getting to IDLE, it 
complained it was not a valid 32-bit app. That's very strange.


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Re: How do I access IDLE in Win7

[Thomas Jollans]

On 27/07/11 23:26, W. eWatson wrote:
> I cannot copy from the cmd window. It ends with [errorno 13] Permission
> denied to c:||Users\\Wayne\\idlerc\\recent-files.lst'
> 

Yes you can. Right-click to bring up a menu with a "select" or "copy"
option (IIRC)

As for the error, see if there is file
/users/wayne/idlerc/recent-files.lst
And if there is, delete it. Or even delete the whole folder «idlerc».
IDLE should be able to cope with it not being there at all: it wouldn't
be there the first time IDLE is started by a user.

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Re: How do I access IDLE in Win7

[W. eWatson]

On 7/27/2011 12:53 PM, Jerry Hill wrote:

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:34 PM, W. eWatson  wrote:

On 7/27/2011 9:48 AM, Jerry Hill wrote:

So, you don't have an idle.py or idle.pyw in C:\Python26\Lib\idlelib\
(or where ever you installed python)?  If not, it sounds to me like
your python installation is screwed up.  I would re-install.


Yes, I have both. Neither shows anything on the monitor when I double click
them.


Oh, I guess I misunderstood.  Go ahead and open that cmd.exe window
back up.  Please run the following and report back the results.  In
the cmd.exe window run:

assoc .py
assoc .pyw
ftype Python.File
ftype Python.NoConFile


.py=Python.File
.pyw=Python.NoConFile
Python.File="C:\Python25\python.exe" "%1" %*
Python.File="C:\Python25\python.exe" "%1" %*
Python.NoConFile="C:\Python25\pythonw.exe" "%1" %*



Those four commands should show us how the python file associations
are set up on your computer.

Then, let's try to run idle and capture whatever error message is
popping up.  I don't think you've mentioned what version of python you
have installed.  The following is for 2.6, since that's what I have
installed here, but it should work on any other version if you swap in
your installation directory for the 2.6 one below.  Still in your
cmd.exe window, run the following:

c:\Python26\python.exe C:\Python26\Lib\idlelib\idle.py
I cannot copy from the cmd window. It ends with [errorno 13] Permission 
denied to c:||Users\\Wayne\\idlerc\\recent-files.lst'


recent-files.lst !!! weird


If you get an exception, please copy and paste the details for us.  If
that works and opens idle, please try running this:

C:\Python26\Lib\idlelib\idle.py

Based on the behavior you've described so far, that ought to fail, and
hopefully give some sort of message or exception for us to diagnose.

PS: If you're just trying to get things working, and don't care what
might be wrong, I would recommend just re-installing python.  That
ought to clean up all the file associations and set things up properly
for you.  That's likely the quickest way to just get things working.


Yep, I'm thinking about it.
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Re: How do I access IDLE in Win7

[Jerry Hill]

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:34 PM, W. eWatson  wrote:
> On 7/27/2011 9:48 AM, Jerry Hill wrote:
>> So, you don't have an idle.py or idle.pyw in C:\Python26\Lib\idlelib\
>> (or where ever you installed python)?  If not, it sounds to me like
>> your python installation is screwed up.  I would re-install.
>
> Yes, I have both. Neither shows anything on the monitor when I double click
> them.

Oh, I guess I misunderstood.  Go ahead and open that cmd.exe window
back up.  Please run the following and report back the results.  In
the cmd.exe window run:

assoc .py
assoc .pyw
ftype Python.File
ftype Python.NoConFile

Those four commands should show us how the python file associations
are set up on your computer.

Then, let's try to run idle and capture whatever error message is
popping up.  I don't think you've mentioned what version of python you
have installed.  The following is for 2.6, since that's what I have
installed here, but it should work on any other version if you swap in
your installation directory for the 2.6 one below.  Still in your
cmd.exe window, run the following:

c:\Python26\python.exe C:\Python26\Lib\idlelib\idle.py

If you get an exception, please copy and paste the details for us.  If
that works and opens idle, please try running this:

C:\Python26\Lib\idlelib\idle.py

Based on the behavior you've described so far, that ought to fail, and
hopefully give some sort of message or exception for us to diagnose.

PS: If you're just trying to get things working, and don't care what
might be wrong, I would recommend just re-installing python.  That
ought to clean up all the file associations and set things up properly
for you.  That's likely the quickest way to just get things working.

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Re: How do I access IDLE in Win7

[W. eWatson]

On 7/27/2011 9:48 AM, Jerry Hill wrote:

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:28 PM, W. eWatson  wrote:

If I run cmd.exe and work my way down to  .../idlelib, I find nothing but
idle.bat. strange. Hidden?  I can get into line mode by using python.exe.
That is, I can type in print "abc", and get a result.


So, you don't have an idle.py or idle.pyw in C:\Python26\Lib\idlelib\
(or where ever you installed python)?  If not, it sounds to me like
your python installation is screwed up.  I would re-install.

Jerry
Yes, I have both. Neither shows anything on the monitor when I double 
click them.

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Re: How do I access IDLE in Win7

[Jerry Hill]

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:28 PM, W. eWatson  wrote:
> If I run cmd.exe and work my way down to  .../idlelib, I find nothing but
> idle.bat. strange. Hidden?  I can get into line mode by using python.exe.
> That is, I can type in print "abc", and get a result.

So, you don't have an idle.py or idle.pyw in C:\Python26\Lib\idlelib\
(or where ever you installed python)?  If not, it sounds to me like
your python installation is screwed up.  I would re-install.

Jerry
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Re: How do I access IDLE in Win7

[W. eWatson]

On 7/27/2011 8:38 AM, rantingrick wrote:

On Jul 27, 10:06 am, "W. eWatson"  wrote:

It's been many months since I played with Python, and have forgotten how
to bring up IDLE. If I simply click on a py file, I see what may be a
dos window appear and quickly disappear.


"Double-clicking" a [py|pyw] file in windows will auto run the file
(considering you have not changed the association). So if you're
trying to edit the file you'll want to try something else.


If I right-click on the file,
and select IDLE, the same thing happens.


You mean "Right-Click ->  Send-To-IDLE"?
A right-click gives me two choices. Edit with IDLE or Open With. The 
first produces nothing, or something so quick that I do not see it. The 
second gives me a choice of python.exe, Notepad, or Choose Default 
Program. None of these are helpful.





If I go directly to All
Programs, the same thing happens when I select IDLE.


You mean "Start_Menu ->  All_Programs ->  PythonX.X ->  IDLE_(Python
GUI)"? Yes typically that is how you'd run IDLE form a winders box.

Yes, that's what I do, but again the result is essentially nothing.


If you want to edit a python script then first open an editor and then
navigate to the file. There is also a "RightClick ->  Open-with-IDLE"
option also but i prefer to navigate from my editor.

Edit with IDLE as above. Doesn't work. No editor appears.


However it sounds like you may be experiencing a bug (or configuration
issue). Can you capture the "dos" error with the print screen button
and post it here? You'll have to be quick to catch it!

Way too fast.


Also try to run IDLE from this path:
...\PythonXX\Lib\idlelib {double click PyShell.py}

It stays up for about 1/2 second.

If I run cmd.exe and work my way down to  .../idlelib, I find nothing 
but idle.bat. strange. Hidden?  I can get into line mode by using 
python.exe. That is, I can type in print "abc", and get a result.


Baffling.

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Re: How do I access IDLE in Win7

[rantingrick]

On Jul 27, 10:06 am, "W. eWatson"  wrote:
> It's been many months since I played with Python, and have forgotten how
> to bring up IDLE. If I simply click on a py file, I see what may be a
> dos window appear and quickly disappear.

"Double-clicking" a [py|pyw] file in windows will auto run the file
(considering you have not changed the association). So if you're
trying to edit the file you'll want to try something else.

> If I right-click on the file,
> and select IDLE, the same thing happens.

You mean "Right-Click -> Send-To-IDLE"?

> If I go directly to All
> Programs, the same thing happens when I select IDLE.

You mean "Start_Menu -> All_Programs -> PythonX.X -> IDLE_(Python
GUI)"? Yes typically that is how you'd run IDLE form a winders box.

If you want to edit a python script then first open an editor and then
navigate to the file. There is also a "RightClick -> Open-with-IDLE"
option also but i prefer to navigate from my editor.

However it sounds like you may be experiencing a bug (or configuration
issue). Can you capture the "dos" error with the print screen button
and post it here? You'll have to be quick to catch it!

Also try to run IDLE from this path:
...\PythonXX\Lib\idlelib {double click PyShell.py}
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How do I access IDLE in Win7

[W. eWatson]

It's been many months since I played with Python, and have forgotten how 
to bring up IDLE. If I simply click on a py file, I see what may be a 
dos window appear and quickly disappear. If I right-click on the file, 
and select IDLE, the same thing happens. If I go directly to All 
Programs, the same thing happens when I select IDLE.

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