Re: [Qgis-developer] WMTS 1.0 - first implementers

[Paolo Cavallini]

Il 20/09/2016 09:34, Mathieu Pellerin ha scritto:
> For the UI side of things, I'd also like to see {QuickMapServices,
> OpenLayers} updating its code so that - on QGIS >= 2.18 - layers are
> served as native TMS support. That'd make pre-existing users of those
> plugins able to continue using the same UI as before, while benefiting
> from Martin's phenomenal work (raster manipulation support, rotation
> support, progressive rendering, etc.).

Right - Mathieu, could you please open tickets on their respective
bugtracker? I'm sure suggesting a way to do it will greatly speed up the
process.
Thanks.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] WMTS 1.0 - first implementers

[Mathieu Pellerin]

For the UI side of things, I'd also like to see {QuickMapServices,
OpenLayers} updating its code so that - on QGIS >= 2.18 - layers are served
as native TMS support. That'd make pre-existing users of those plugins able
to continue using the same UI as before, while benefiting from Martin's
phenomenal work (raster manipulation support, rotation support, progressive
rendering, etc.).



On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Martin Dobias  wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Richard Duivenvoorde
>  wrote:
> > On 2016-09-20 06:30, Martin Dobias wrote:
> >
> >> Note: the work I have done and the call that started this thread are
> >> not related in any way...
> >
> >
> > Ah, ok.
> >
> > I had a good look now: nice! Very smooth!
> >
> > So in the browser you can add a xyz layer like:
> > http://c.tile.openstreetmap.org/{z}/{x}/{y}.png
>
> Right!
>
>
> > But isn't there a way to do that via 'add Layer' menu or via the 'add
> > WMS/WMTS' button? Do I miss something ( or is it "future work" as they
> call
> > it in science ;-) )
>
> Indeed - something for others to pick up hopefully :-)
>
>
> > (Just asking because I think we already have several ways to add a layer
> > (buttons, menu's, dragdrop, browser), and if some of those ways have
> other
> > options then the others, I think from a user standpoint this is not very
> > friendly?)
> >
> > The add WM(T)S dialog's could get some ui-love anyway I think :-)
>
> Yeah the WM(T)S dialog could get a lot of love... It is quite
> complicated and the user experience is not great.
>
> I am not sure XYZ layers should be even handled within WM(T)S dialog -
> there is nothing like GetCapabilities, layer/style/crs selection etc.
>
> XYZ layers would still deserve some kind of configuration GUI - apart
> from URL, users should be able to set min/max zoom levels. The current
> solution was just a quick way to make XYZ layers available to users...
>
> Cheers
> Martin
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Re: [Qgis-developer] WMTS 1.0 - first implementers

[Martin Dobias]

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Richard Duivenvoorde
 wrote:
> On 2016-09-20 06:30, Martin Dobias wrote:
>
>> Note: the work I have done and the call that started this thread are
>> not related in any way...
>
>
> Ah, ok.
>
> I had a good look now: nice! Very smooth!
>
> So in the browser you can add a xyz layer like:
> http://c.tile.openstreetmap.org/{z}/{x}/{y}.png

Right!


> But isn't there a way to do that via 'add Layer' menu or via the 'add
> WMS/WMTS' button? Do I miss something ( or is it "future work" as they call
> it in science ;-) )

Indeed - something for others to pick up hopefully :-)


> (Just asking because I think we already have several ways to add a layer
> (buttons, menu's, dragdrop, browser), and if some of those ways have other
> options then the others, I think from a user standpoint this is not very
> friendly?)
>
> The add WM(T)S dialog's could get some ui-love anyway I think :-)

Yeah the WM(T)S dialog could get a lot of love... It is quite
complicated and the user experience is not great.

I am not sure XYZ layers should be even handled within WM(T)S dialog -
there is nothing like GetCapabilities, layer/style/crs selection etc.

XYZ layers would still deserve some kind of configuration GUI - apart
from URL, users should be able to set min/max zoom levels. The current
solution was just a quick way to make XYZ layers available to users...

Cheers
Martin
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Re: [Qgis-developer] WMTS 1.0 - first implementers

[Richard Duivenvoorde]

On 2016-09-20 08:38, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:


But isn't there a way to do that via 'add Layer' menu or via the 'add
WMS/WMTS' button? Do I miss something ( or is it "future work" as they
call it in science ;-) )


Ah I see the commit message now:

https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/3473/commits/c4181fa04d8be377eb34a4f54be9cf139e0aa558

:-)

Richard
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Re: [Qgis-developer] WMTS 1.0 - first implementers

[Paolo Cavallini]

Il 20/09/2016 08:01, Paolo Cavallini ha scritto:
> Sorry I was too quick (time is never enough). Thanks Martin for clarifying.

BTW, I think it would be good to expand on this; in general, the project
would gain from a closer relation with OGC, updating constantly our
listing, seeking certification where possible, etc.
I think this would be most suited for commercial firms around QGIS,
rather than for the main project itself - our limited resources could be
better spent in infrastructure, bugfixing, etc.
If some of them is interested, please speak out.
All the best.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] WMTS 1.0 - first implementers

[Paolo Cavallini]

Hi all,

Il 20/09/2016 06:30, Martin Dobias ha scritto:
> Paolo forwarded a mail about that to me earlier - basically it was a
> call from OGC to run their recently developed compliance tests for
> WMTS with existing implementations and basically to help testing the
> tests:
> http://cite.opengeospatial.org/te2/about/wmts/1.0.0/site/
> 
> By helping out with OGC WMTS test suite, one can be recognized as a
> reference implementation or be mentioned in their press release.
> 
> I am not sure if this applies to QGIS at all, those tests are for WMTS
> server side. We have client WMTS support, but as far as I know there
> is no WMTS support in QGIS server.
> 
>> We already had WMTS 1.0 in QGIS for a long time isn't it?
> 
> Yes :)

Sorry I was too quick (time is never enough). Thanks Martin for clarifying.
All the best.
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Re: [Qgis-developer] WMTS 1.0 - first implementers

[Martin Dobias]

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 4:21 AM, Richard Duivenvoorde
 wrote:
> On 19-09-16 08:55, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> we have an opportunity to become an early implementer or reference
>> implementer for WMTS 1.0. I think one of the companies around QGIS could
>> take this as an opportunity to increase commercial opportunities.
>> In case, please let us know.
>
> Hi Paolo,
>
> I'm also a little puzzled by our message :-)

Paolo forwarded a mail about that to me earlier - basically it was a
call from OGC to run their recently developed compliance tests for
WMTS with existing implementations and basically to help testing the
tests:
http://cite.opengeospatial.org/te2/about/wmts/1.0.0/site/

By helping out with OGC WMTS test suite, one can be recognized as a
reference implementation or be mentioned in their press release.

I am not sure if this applies to QGIS at all, those tests are for WMTS
server side. We have client WMTS support, but as far as I know there
is no WMTS support in QGIS server.

> We already had WMTS 1.0 in QGIS for a long time isn't it?

Yes :)

> I understand now from Luigi's reply that Martin added a lot of new
> stuff, and restructured a lot. But here in NL the free national WMTS
> services (aerials and topo) have been used a lot already.
>
> I added a comment on the https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/3473 about
> the native resolutions.
>
> Also wondering how this works with the tile scale slider.

I have added my comments to the pull request.

Note: the work I have done and the call that started this thread are
not related in any way...

Cheers
Martin
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Re: [Qgis-developer] WMTS 1.0 - first implementers

[Richard Duivenvoorde]

On 19-09-16 08:55, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
> Hi all,
> we have an opportunity to become an early implementer or reference
> implementer for WMTS 1.0. I think one of the companies around QGIS could
> take this as an opportunity to increase commercial opportunities.
> In case, please let us know.

Hi Paolo,

I'm also a little puzzled by our message :-)

We already had WMTS 1.0 in QGIS for a long time isn't it?

I understand now from Luigi's reply that Martin added a lot of new
stuff, and restructured a lot. But here in NL the free national WMTS
services (aerials and topo) have been used a lot already.

I added a comment on the https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/3473 about
the native resolutions.

Also wondering how this works with the tile scale slider.

Regards,

Richard

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Re: [Qgis-developer] WMTS 1.0 - first implementers

[Luigi Pirelli]

IMHO this is a cryptic message!

On 19 September 2016 at 08:55, Paolo Cavallini  wrote:
> Hi all,
> we

who?

> have an opportunity to become an early implementer or reference
> implementer for WMTS 1.0.

please more context, do you refer to xyz tile core support dev by
Martin Dobias (https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/3473) ?

> I think one of the companies around QGIS could
> take this as an opportunity to increase commercial opportunities.

"one of"... please be more explicit

> In case, please let us know.

about what specifically? documentation, dev, testing, writing tests,
setting up qgis server?

> All the best.
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regards

Luigi Pirelli

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[Qgis-developer] WMTS 1.0 - first implementers

[Paolo Cavallini]

Hi all,
we have an opportunity to become an early implementer or reference
implementer for WMTS 1.0. I think one of the companies around QGIS could
take this as an opportunity to increase commercial opportunities.
In case, please let us know.
All the best.
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