Re: [Ql-Users] GWASS is updated
For anyone who has been trying to download this, the correct URL is http://gwiltprogs.info George - Thanks for the update. -Original Message- From: ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of gdgqler Sent: 09 February 2011 16:21 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: [Ql-Users] GWASS is updated A new version of GWASS is now available from my website http://gwiltprogs.com/ This allows the input of octal numbers by using the prefix AT (@). Thus 46 can now be entered as one of: 46 $2E @56 %101110 George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] File transfers
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Marcel Kilgus wrote: > Tobias Fröschle wrote: > >> Another option already mentioned (and perhaps with the highest > >> probability to actually work) would be sernet. > > ...talking to myself again??? > > Sernet is actually a pretty comfortable solution, albeit not the > fastest. Isn't it supplied with QPC even? I think there are some > articles on how to set it up on Dilwyns site. > > > But: Following the serial route, there would be another option: > > zip up the files on the Q40, and use one of the ancient terminal > > programs supporting X/Y/Z-modem on both QPC and Q40 to transfer the zip > > file over. This will take ages as well, but you wouldn't need to sit and > > watch (or even juggle around with disks) > > This is probably significantly faster than Sernet, but also a bit > harder to set up. > > Actually I used this method to debug and streamline the QPC serial > port drivers, a PC terminal program on one side and QPC with QTPI on > the other (using Z-Modem). I spend days tuning everything to get a > constant 10-11kb/s out of the serial ports... > > Marcel > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > Since you're all coming up with such practical solutions, here's what I would do: I would set up the webcam on the destination PC, and aim it at the Q40's display. I would then copy the files in 32 kbyte chunks into the video memory, and have the camera film them. At that point I would write a quick and dirty app to scan the video image and extract the bytes from the video image. If you cannot do that, just run OCR s/w on the destination machine and COPY the drive to the Q40's screen as characters. If that's STILL too complicated, simply put a directory listing of the drive on floppy and present that to the destination machine, put an ethernet card on the Q40, then run the public domain web server, and have the destination machine request all the files from the Q40 web browser ;) Too much coffee. Dave ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] File transfers
Tobias Fröschle wrote: >> Another option already mentioned (and perhaps with the highest >> probability to actually work) would be sernet. > ...talking to myself again??? Sernet is actually a pretty comfortable solution, albeit not the fastest. Isn't it supplied with QPC even? I think there are some articles on how to set it up on Dilwyns site. > But: Following the serial route, there would be another option: > zip up the files on the Q40, and use one of the ancient terminal > programs supporting X/Y/Z-modem on both QPC and Q40 to transfer the zip > file over. This will take ages as well, but you wouldn't need to sit and > watch (or even juggle around with disks) This is probably significantly faster than Sernet, but also a bit harder to set up. Actually I used this method to debug and streamline the QPC serial port drivers, a PC terminal program on one side and QPC with QTPI on the other (using Z-Modem). I spend days tuning everything to get a constant 10-11kb/s out of the serial ports... Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] File transfers
Am Mittwoch, den 09.02.2011, 22:24 +0100 schrieb Tobias Fröschle: > > Another option already mentioned (and perhaps with the highest > probability to actually work) would be sernet. ...talking to myself again??? On second thought, only very few people seem to have actually got sernet to work properly between different platforms. But: Following the serial route, there would be another option: zip up the files on the Q40, and use one of the ancient terminal programs supporting X/Y/Z-modem on both QPC and Q40 to transfer the zip file over. This will take ages as well, but you wouldn't need to sit and watch (or even juggle around with disks) Hope this helps Tobias ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] File transfers
Am Mittwoch, den 09.02.2011, 21:12 + schrieb Norman Dunbar: > http://qxlwin.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/qxlwin/?view=tar > > to download source code for QXLWin a cross platform that allows you to > open a qxl.win file and extract files. > If I remember right, QLay (and its derivatives) had a program to access QXL.WIN files from Windows. The problem in the first place is, I very much doubt the Q40 is able to produce QXL.win files. And, if it were, how would you get the file from here to there. Cheers, Tobias ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] File transfers
Am Mittwoch, den 09.02.2011, 17:52 + schrieb Peter Baily: > I have a large number of files stored on the hard disk of a Q40 > (original version) with two floppy drives: - loads of interesting stuff > like Mark Knight's Fractal program. I wish to transfer this to a > computer on which I use QPC2. Can anyone suggest a way of doing > this? Doing this via HD floppies with a USB floppy drive on the > second computer will take forever. > > e.g. - SER2 to USB stick with a QXL.WIN folder? > - via an ethernet link? > > Has anyone solved this problem? Have I missed something in back issues > of Quanta Mag or QLT? Got a network card in the Q40? You could try to somehow run m68k Linux on the box (probably on a free partition?), and use uQLX to read files and transfer to Windows/QPC (using the uQLX and QPC TCP/IP stack). Another one (even more speculative) I'm absolutely not sure whether dumping a Q40 HD partition using m68k Linux dd would somehow end up with a readable QXL image? On second thought, I doubt that. Another option already mentioned (and perhaps with the highest probability to actually work) would be sernet. Just wildly speculating. Cheers, Tobias ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] File transfers
Evening, >> Has anyone solved this problem? Have I missed something in back issues >> of Quanta Mag or QLT? IF file format = qxl.win AND you run Mac, Linux or Windows AND you got QT Creator from www.trolltech.com AND you have subversion THEN you can click this link: http://qxlwin.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/qxlwin/?view=tar to download source code for QXLWin a cross platform that allows you to open a qxl.win file and extract files. Then open the qxlwin.pro file in QT Creator & compile. Unfortunately, it only allows you to open & read text files, but with a little work, it could be updated (it's on my 'eventaly to do' list) to extract any type of file and save it to local disc. Cheers, Norman. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] GWASS is updated
Tobias Fröschle wrote, on 9/Feb/11 19:53 | Feb9: Am Mittwoch, den 09.02.2011, 19:05 + schrieb Tony Firshman: I wish we had 12 digits - base 12 is *so* much better than base 10. Tony If we had 12 digits, we'd probably have 12 fingers as well. That's 20% faster typing we had 20% more software for the QL That is what I was saying - 'digits' means both fingers and thumbs in English. We usually say (incorrectly) that we have five fingers on each hand. We don't. We have four fingers and one thumb! Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] GWASS is updated
Am Mittwoch, den 09.02.2011, 19:05 + schrieb Tony Firshman: > > I wish we had 12 digits - base 12 is *so* much better than base 10. > > Tony > If we had 12 digits, we'd probably have 12 fingers as well. That's 20% faster typing we had 20% more software for the QL Cheers, Tobias ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] New QL
Available from a variety of sources through Amazon in white and black, cheapest at £158, downloaded ReactOs and ran the iso as a live CD on my laptop, it loads up pretty fast considering but there were issues with not seeing any drives as a USB extension and it would not see any files at all on my existing hard drives just the hardrives themselves so I was unable to try any emulators to see if they would work, has anyone else faired better? ReactOs http://www.reactos.org/en/download.html Hardware http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/qid=1297280039/ref=sr_gnr_fkmr0?ie=UTF8&node=&search-alias=aps&field-keywords=nT-330i%20Barebone%20%28Intel Lee Privett - Sent from my Laptop running XP but emulating the QL using QPC2 - Original Message - From: "Ralf Reköndt" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] New QL Malcolm Lear wrote: OK http://www.amazon.de/nT-330i-Barebone-Intel-Atom-schwarz/dp/B003DM98HI/ref=pd_cp_computers_1 Made my day 8-)! Cheers...Ralf ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] GWASS is updated
In the original QL if you typed PRINT What is the answer to life the universe and everything ? [return] you get the * as a response which is CHR$(42), I always found that funny (actually PRINT any undefined variable produces the same effect but it use to impress some of my D.A. friends) Lee Privett - Sent from my Laptop running XP but emulating the QL using QPC2 - Original Message - From: "Tony Firshman" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] GWASS is updated Norman Dunbar wrote, on 9/Feb/11 17:21 | Feb9: On 09/02/11 16:51, tobias.froesc...@t-online.de wrote: Why can't programmers tell Christmas from Halloween? Because DEC 25 is OCT 31! Oh dear, bad jokes R us! There are 10 types of developer in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't! HHGTTG - The world was created as a program to find the answer to 6 x 9. After 2 million years it gave the worng answer of 42. Douglas Adams was approached by a student - "I have worked out why. 54 is 42 in base 13". "What a coincidence was his reply". I wish we had 12 digits - base 12 is *so* much better than base 10. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] File transfers
Peter Baily wrote, on 9/Feb/11 17:52 | Feb9: I have a large number of files stored on the hard disk of a Q40 (original version) with two floppy drives: - loads of interesting stuff like Mark Knight's Fractal program. I wish to transfer this to a computer on which I use QPC2. Can anyone suggest a way of doing this? Doing this via HD floppies with a USB floppy drive on the second computer will take forever. e.g. - SER2 to USB stick with a QXL.WIN folder? - via an ethernet link? Has anyone solved this problem? Have I missed something in back issues of Quanta Mag or QLT? Something like this? http://reviews.cnet.com/flash-memory-adapters/card-reader-pci-isa/1707-8898_7-3425958.html Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] GWASS is updated
George, As I think was mentioned in another posting here, that link isn't working at the moment. Not for me on BT broadband, anyway. Adrian -Original Message- From: ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of gdgqler Sent: 09 February 2011 16:21 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: [Ql-Users] GWASS is updated A new version of GWASS is now available from my website http://gwiltprogs.com/ This allows the input of octal numbers by using the prefix AT (@). Thus 46 can now be entered as one of: 46 $2E @56 %101110 George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] File transfers
Peter, I'm afraid it's yet not possible to do SER to USB. There is only one Ser-USB prototype in existence at the moment, and the File Manager software (which would allow this to happen without the need for a special driver) has not been tested with such large volumes of data. Anyway, I'm not sure of the maximum speed of the Q40 serial ports, but unless they can do a sustained 115K+ it would be a slow process - albeit one that could run unattended once started (unlike floppies). Incidentally, the Ser-USB Enhanced File Manager (next on my ToDo list once the native driver is working), besides being a Pointer Environment app, will also be able to copy to/from SD Cards and removeable USB sticks mounted as QDOS devices under QPC or Q-emuLator. It will do this preserving the QDOS file headers, in the same way that it already does for FAT-format devices mounted on the Ser-USB unit. For now, I think it's probably floppies or possibly the serial port QL networking SERNET - which I'm afraid I know very little about. Adrian -Original Message- From: ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of Peter Baily Sent: 09 February 2011 17:52 To: QL Users Subject: [Ql-Users] File transfers I have a large number of files stored on the hard disk of a Q40 (original version) with two floppy drives: - loads of interesting stuff like Mark Knight's Fractal program. I wish to transfer this to a computer on which I use QPC2. Can anyone suggest a way of doing this? Doing this via HD floppies with a USB floppy drive on the second computer will take forever. e.g. - SER2 to USB stick with a QXL.WIN folder? - via an ethernet link? Has anyone solved this problem? Have I missed something in back issues of Quanta Mag or QLT? Please help! Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] GWASS is updated
Norman Dunbar wrote, on 9/Feb/11 17:21 | Feb9: On 09/02/11 16:51, tobias.froesc...@t-online.de wrote: Why can't programmers tell Christmas from Halloween? Because DEC 25 is OCT 31! Oh dear, bad jokes R us! There are 10 types of developer in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't! HHGTTG - The world was created as a program to find the answer to 6 x 9. After 2 million years it gave the worng answer of 42. Douglas Adams was approached by a student - "I have worked out why. 54 is 42 in base 13". "What a coincidence was his reply". I wish we had 12 digits - base 12 is *so* much better than base 10. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] File transfers
I have a large number of files stored on the hard disk of a Q40 (original version) with two floppy drives: - loads of interesting stuff like Mark Knight's Fractal program. I wish to transfer this to a computer on which I use QPC2. Can anyone suggest a way of doing this? Doing this via HD floppies with a USB floppy drive on the second computer will take forever. e.g. - SER2 to USB stick with a QXL.WIN folder? - via an ethernet link? Has anyone solved this problem? Have I missed something in back issues of Quanta Mag or QLT? Please help! Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] GWASS is updated
On 09/02/11 16:51, tobias.froesc...@t-online.de wrote: > Why can't programmers tell Christmas from Halloween? > Because DEC 25 is OCT 31! Oh dear, bad jokes R us! There are 10 types of developer in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't! Cheers, Norman. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] GWASS is updated
-- A new version of GWASS is now available from my website http://gwiltprogs.com/ -- -- This allows the input of octal numbers by using the prefix AT (@). -- -- Thus 46 can now be entered as one of: -- 46 -- $2E -- @56 -- %101110 At last! Was waiting for years for an opportunity to get that posted: Why can't programmers tell Christmas from Halloween? Because DEC 25 is OCT 31! Ehm @31. Ehm, doesn't work. ;-) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] GWASS is updated
A new version of GWASS is now available from my website http://gwiltprogs.com/ This allows the input of octal numbers by using the prefix AT (@). Thus 46 can now be entered as one of: 46 $2E @56 %101110 George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Finally a reply
-- From: "Malcolm Cadman" Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 9:46 PM To: Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Finally a reply Hi Geoff, I agree with most of what you say, apart from keeping the "Term of Office" feature. Better to abandon that, all together, and just have all Board/Committee members standing down every Year; and then putting themselves forward again for a following Year (or not if they so choose). This way you keep your good Board/Committee members. The Treasurer Post is always a difficult one to fill. When you find a good one, then keep them ... :-) I would not object to being involved in drafting a new/revised Constitution. In principle I can find a lot of good sense in the six year rule, but in practice I have my doubts about its suitability for Quanta in its present size and condition. Almost of the people I have spoken to who were active on the committee 5 - 10 years ago refer to the first few years of the last decade being the ultimate low period in Quanta. We had a chairman who no longer believed in either Quanta or the QL, but who, for some strange reason, clung onto office. Quanta was just allowed to drift aimlessly. I have had many conversations with John Mason about this period and he was genuinely distressed by the deterioration that occurred in Quanta. He was determined to restore Quanta to its former glories. I don't agree with the way he tried to do it, but I know that his motives were pure. When I was on the Works Council a lot of these ideas were bounced around on our training courses. There is a need to maintain continuity but also a need to keep an organisation fresh. We need to separate two different things. One is the maximum term of office i.e. the six year rule, the other is the normal term of office. In my personal opinion three years is too long, one year is too short. Two years is about right. Thanks for the offer to help with rewriting the constitution - we have the beginnings of a potential constitution redrafting team, Best wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] SuperBASIC oddities...
> The fun part is, when the program finishes consuming all the memory, > FREE_MEM actually goes negative, to -512, and the program manages 20 more > loops before generating an out of memory error. > This is probably because SBasic has already reserved space for itself before the available memory runs out and doesn't need to get more at first. But, after 20 more iterations, it needs more memory for itself, tries to get it and throws the OOM error. (FREE-MEM doesn't show how much mem the basic interpreter still has, just the generally available memory). Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Game idea...
On 8 Feb 2011, at 21:35, Plastic wrote: > > That said, interpreted BASIC was always too slow to do anything too > complicated, and I didn't fancy learning m68k assy. Still don't. > Compiling, especially with Turbo, adds speed. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Game idea...
The lack of games on QL was always a source of much frustration, Whilst the QL quickly became a hobbyists dream with Languages and disk drives etc, I just wanted Bandersnatch or whatever that mythical IMAGINE secret game was. One of the first games I played on PC was the traditional Start Trek type game on a Tandy TRS 80 or was it a Commodore Pet, either way, I always enjoyed that type of game, especially a DRAGON32 version that was excellent. I really loved Catacombs on ZX81, it was pig slow but it was one of the first D&D themed games. My Favorite game though was Adventure on the ATARI VCS2600, utter class and all running in 4k memory!! Now, that must be possible on the QL! Neil *** The contents of this email are confidential to the intended recipient. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than the addressee, nor may it be copied in any way. If received in error, please contact the company on 01793-715380, then delete it from your system. Please note neither the company nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any) for viruses. No contract may be concluded on behalf of the company by means of email communications. BC Services (UK) Limited (trading as Boxclever), Technology House, Ampthill Road, Bedford, MK42 9QQ. Registered No. 5290544 England www.boxclever.co.uk *** ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
