[Ql-Users] Program Updates
There is an update on my website http://gwiltprogs.info TURBO v 5.09 now correctly compiles COMMAND_LINE when this procedure has a parameter, which it does when a daughter basic is to be selected. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] Program Updates
New versions of some programs are now available on my website gwiltprogs.info 1. TURBO v5.0 allows access to its Channel Table. This table consists of a set of 32 40-byte entries one for each of the possible channels in a program compiled by TURBO. The first long word contains the ID of the QDOS channel, or -1 if none is open. The rest of the entry contains information about graphics for CON or SCR channels. TURBO_CH(#N) returns the absolute address of the entry for channel N. N can be either an explicit number (between 0 and 31) or a variable containing the number. 2. TURBO_TK CODE v3.43 now contains the keyword TURBO_CH which, if used in S*BASIC, returns 1. 3. NET_PEEK v3.42, already issued, displays the contents of the channel table for CON/SCR channels in programs compiled by TURBO. The latest version, v3.43, now copes with programs compiled by TURBO v5.08. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hello Norman Prowess is an alternative window manager. We were discussing an idea for simulating outline dragging in Wman. Yes, I know. My point being that Prowess was built on top of WMAN wasn't it? I'm sure that in order to run Prowess, WMAN had to be loaded. If so, and they managed this new border-dragging-resize then surely, WMAN must have had something to do with it under the covers? Im far away from home right now, so cant check, but I think not. Prowess is an alternative to Wman and therefor had the freedom to do things differently. I was trying to push the envelope of Wman to see whether it could be pressed into behaving as weve come to expect from the competition. I found the Application (sub) Windows to be the most versatile, although very clumsy to use. Using AWs you can simulate stretch bars of all kinds / Corner (2 AWs) +-+ | |- Side | | - Divider | | +-+ ^ | Up/Down To do all of those at once requires about 13 of them, so its really fiddly business. Some reasons to use AWs are that the PI will do the work of detecting the window in focus and any buttons pressed, as well as displaying the pointers of your choice, eg resize up/down or sideways or corner. Using an AW as a title bar simplifies simulating the effect of moving a window by dragging it via its titlebar. Its not perfect, as it complicates having other objects there as well. So you either have to make your own display routines, use multiple AWs, or accept a patchy titlebar. You can also use AWs to create the effect of different layouts, etc. But its all rather cumbersome. EasyMenu can only work with 32 AWs, if I remember correctly, so you may soon run out of slots.. Info Windows can also be used in many non-obvious ways for all kinds of decoration. You can use them to create lines and shadows, and also use them to fake states, hide stuff, etc. I dont suppose weve ever seen a program that uses Wman to its full extent, mainly because its 1) difficult to get to grips with (complex and lacking in documentation) 2) Fiddly and inflexible, and 3) doesnt lend itself to objectifying: Due to the data structures it is virtually impossible to create re-usable object libraries. Still, it is reasonably compact (as these things go) and fast, and I suppose those where more important criteria at the time of design. Its possible to write pointer-driven programs that dont use Wman at all. I have written a few myself in S*Basic. They can be much more flexible, but tend to look rather clunky unless you are prepared to use lots of resources and effort on the pixel-, rather than character- level. Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but with WMAN I can set the OUTLN of my window initially, then when doing a move, I can set it to the new location and preserve the contents. In addition, I can tell when the pointer goes onto the border (can't I?) and when a mouse is down. The internal window move routine only returns on completion so you cant (easily) read the pointer record at the same time. Seasons best and all that, Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Op Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:14:40 +0100 schreef Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk: Now, as for this dragging of the border, I have a vague recollection that the guys from Belgium (Progs) did some new window manager system and I'm pretty sure that their system had draggable borders and so on. ProWesS behaves not that different. The border can be HIT or DOne to perform a Move or Resize. For this the border is devided into 4 corners: left-top, left-bottom, right-top right-bottom. But when HIT the sprite becomes the default Move icon. A DO turns it into the Resize icon, the opposite corner stays fixed. From then on it behaves just like the old PE, no dragging. The new SMSQ/E moving outline is not used then. On a not so fast system you can clearly see that the moved/resized border is drawn first. Bob -- Gemaakt met Opera's revolutionaire e-mailprogramma: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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What should that be...new...? Cheers...Ralf - Original Message - From: Bob Spelten Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Program updates The new SMSQ/E moving outline is not used then. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Ah, ok, MOVE, I thought of Resize. Cheers...Ralf - Original Message - From: Bob Spelten Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Program updates Op Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:23:12 +0100 schreef Ralf Reköndt What should that be...new...? It is new in WMAN2, I don't know since when exactly. In SMSQ/E 3.xx there is a config item to do the Move the old way or drag an outline or the whole window. As it is a WMAN2 feature it is only logical that PWS doesn't use it. Bob -- Gemaakt met Opera's revolutionaire e-mailprogramma: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Evening Per, Luckily, I wasnt suggesting anything of the kind ;o) I only set the outline to the whole screen during the *interactive* process of changing the size Aha, I see now. My mistake, sorry. SNIP Prowess is an alternative window manager. We were discussing an idea for simulating outline dragging in Wman. Yes, I know. My point being that Prowess was built on top of WMAN wasn't it? I'm sure that in order to run Prowess, WMAN had to be loaded. If so, and they managed this new border-dragging-resize then surely, WMAN must have had something to do with it under the covers? Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but with WMAN I can set the OUTLN of my window initially, then when doing a move, I can set it to the new location and preserve the contents. In addition, I can tell when the pointer goes onto the border (can't I?) and when a mouse is down. Can I therefore combine the two and work out that the user is dragging the border with the button down and use OUTLN to redraw the window at the new size of (old size plus or minus 1) - depending on which border is being dragged and redraw it? Just a though, I'm not all that clued up on WMAN etc yet - but I'm working on it. Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 19 Dec 2008, at 19:06, P Witte wrote: Actually it is quite possible to do what Dilwyn says, as I demonstrate in my FastFind program, released in 2002. You simply set the outline to the whole screen without clearing the window. You have to provide your own drawing routine, of course, to draw the interactive outline. Once the user is satisfied, the outline is set to the desired size and the application window is redrawn. This is a very good idea about the outline which I have used, not to resize a window but to allow QMENU to have the whole screen for file searching etc. My idea about the resizing is to allow a programmer just to replace WM_CHWIN by a subroutine to find the size change. The programmer need not alter the size of window until he knows what the change should be. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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When I first wrote one of my early programs under the PE for DJC (them were the days!) I set the outline to the whole screen and drew m y windows within said outline. Unfortunately, customers complained that when they clicked on another program that was visible behind mine, my program was picked instead of theirs. It was fine with the Pick menu from QPAC2 but hitting or doing a 'visible' window to pick it obviously had the wrong effect. I had to re-outline my program to use only the space it needed and not the whole screen. (And Dilwyn told me off as well!) Now, as for this dragging of the border, I have a vague recollection that the guys from Belgium (Progs) did some new window manager system and I'm pretty sure that their system had draggable borders and so on. I can't remember the name of the application though, but I'm sure it had to sit on top of QPTR, it was a much more 'Windows' or X11 manner of operating. Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Now, as for this dragging of the border, I have a vague recollection that the guys from Belgium (Progs) did some new window manager system and I'm pretty sure that their system had draggable borders and so on. I can't remember the name of the application though, but I'm sure it had to sit on top of QPTR, it was a much more 'Windows' or X11 manner of operating. Prowess. -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Dilwyn Jones wrote: Prowess. That's the one, thanks. Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 30 Nov 2008, at 18:12, Ralf Reköndt wrote: BTWit just came into my mind, how nice it is to use the Windows facility of changing a windows size in the lower right edge of a window (you know...the three little parallel lines...). Would be a good thing for us. I have just tried programming this method. A user would click on the move icon at the bottom right corner of the window. There appears a small icon of three diagonal lines of decreasing size at the bottom right of a white outline surrounding the window. This outline can be altered in size by dragging the new icon. On releasing the mouse button the window becomes resized. This method replaces the method using WM_CHWIN and does not take much programming, George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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I have just tried programming this method. A user would click on the move icon at the bottom right corner of the window. There appears a small icon of three diagonal lines of decreasing size at the bottom right of a white outline surrounding the window. This outline can be altered in size by dragging the new icon. On releasing the mouse button the window becomes resized. This method replaces the method using WM_CHWIN and does not take much programming, George Although I haven't tried it, I daresay that if the outline is a thin application window to the left and another above the icon you mention, it might be possible to click on this and to drag the outline horizontally or vertically (instead of diagonally). Additionally, if a different pointer (e.g. small double arrow) is defined for these thin windows the pointer could change as it moves into these windows. -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Ahh, great, George. Waht's about a little demo program at your site. Would love to take a look at it! Cheers...Ralf - Original Message - From: George Gwilt Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Program updates On 30 Nov 2008, at 18:12, Ralf Reköndt wrote: BTWit just came into my mind, how nice it is to use the Windows facility of changing a windows size in the lower right edge of a window (you know...the three little parallel lines...). Would be a good thing for us. I have just tried programming this method. A user would click on the move icon at the bottom right corner of the window. There appears a small icon of three diagonal lines of decreasing size at the bottom right of a white outline surrounding the window. This outline can be altered in size by dragging the new icon. On releasing the mouse button the window becomes resized. This method replaces the method using WM_CHWIN and does not take much programming, George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 19 Dec 2008, at 12:43, Dilwyn Jones wrote: Although I haven't tried it, I daresay that if the outline is a thin application window to the left and another above the icon you mention, it might be possible to click on this and to drag the outline horizontally or vertically (instead of diagonally). Additionally, if a different pointer (e.g. small double arrow) is defined for these thin windows the pointer could change as it moves into these windows. The problem with this is that you are confined to the current PE outline which is the current size of its main window. So you can print an outline which can be altered but not made bigger than the current window. This means that you can reduce the size of window by this means but cannot increase it. My solution is to use another program altogether to draw the outline which can be made as large as the whole screen. Anyone who has used the QL version of EMACS will recognise that QMENU is called as a separate program and so that its window can exceed that of EMACS. This is in contrast to QD which calls QMENU as a subroutine so that its window must lie within QD's. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 19 Dec 2008, at 13:07, Ralf Reköndt wrote: Ahh, great, George. Waht's about a little demo program at your site. Would love to take a look at it! I must do this. However, it's reasonably easy to write a program which can be seen working on my screen. It will require a bit more work to produce an explanation and a demo which can be downloaded by other people. So please don't expect immediate action! George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Although I haven't tried it, I daresay that if the outline is a thin application window to the left and another above the icon you mention, it might be possible to click on this and to drag the outline horizontally or vertically (instead of diagonally). Additionally, if a different pointer (e.g. small double arrow) is defined for these thin windows the pointer could change as it moves into these windows. The problem with this is that you are confined to the current PE outline which is the current size of its main window. So you can print an outline which can be altered but not made bigger than the current window. This means that you can reduce the size of window by this means but cannot increase it. My solution is to use another program altogether to draw the outline which can be made as large as the whole screen. Ah, yes, the outline size limit of course. Ah well, nice idea while it lasted :-( -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Doesn't matter...;-). Just would like to see a working example. No matter, how you've realized it ;-). Cheers...Ralf - Original Message - From: George Gwilt Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Program updates On 19 Dec 2008, at 13:07, Ralf Reköndt wrote: Ahh, great, George. Waht's about a little demo program at your site. Would love to take a look at it! I must do this. However, it's reasonably easy to write a program which can be seen working on my screen. It will require a bit more work to produce an explanation and a demo which can be downloaded by other people. So please don't expect immediate action! George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Actually it is quite possible to do what Dilwyn says, as I demonstrate in my FastFind program, released in 2002. You simply set the outline to the whole screen without clearing the window. You have to provide your own drawing routine, of course, to draw the interactive outline. Once the user is satisfied, the outline is set to the desired size and the application window is redrawn. In fact, FF demonstrates a number of techniques I, at least, have never seen on the QL before, such as dropping the Move icon in favour of using most of the title bar, resize, as described, MRU lists, etc. This was my first attempt at a program that put form over functionality, so its main function, finding stuff quickly, as the name suggests, was/is a bit patchy and incomplete, although there is some internal stuff too, that you wont find elsewhere, such as date input menus, sophisticated wild card searches, my Memory Manager (allowing for reserving and releasing tiny amounts of memory without the heap fragmentation penalties of QDOS) etc. I dont think anyone except Marcel ever bothered even to try it, so I cant be bothered to waste any more time on improving it. Per Dilwyn Jones wrote: Although I haven't tried it, I daresay that if the outline is a thin application window to the left and another above the icon you mention, it might be possible to click on this and to drag the outline horizontally or vertically (instead of diagonally). Additionally, if a different pointer (e.g. small double arrow) is defined for these thin windows the pointer could change as it moves into these windows. The problem with this is that you are confined to the current PE outline which is the current size of its main window. So you can print an outline which can be altered but not made bigger than the current window. This means that you can reduce the size of window by this means but cannot increase it. My solution is to use another program altogether to draw the outline which can be made as large as the whole screen. Ah, yes, the outline size limit of course. Ah well, nice idea while it lasted :-( ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] Program updates
I've added the following program updates to my website: Zip Manager v1.05 Fixes a bug in the View command which caused display corruption and adds three new facilities: 1. Allows non-QDOS archives to be created. 2. Toggle configured Unzip format status. Assuming your copy of unzip is normally configured for QDOS format, this toggle lets you temporarily invert the setting, e.g. when unzipping Lear PCB Cad Unzip converts the '.' in filenames to '_' which is not what is needed for PCB Cad, it uses '.' in the filenames. 3. Allow filenames to be quoted, to allow Zip and Unzip to correctly handle files which have non-standard characters like spaces in the filename, e.g. Quanta library demo disk 9 (DE09). Zip Manager may be downloaded from www.dilwyn.uk6.net/arch/index.html PtrView v2.02 The pointer driven text file viewer from the Launchpad suite is also available on the Launchpad downloads page as a stand-alone freeware utility. Version 2.02 changes the program to use dynamic scaleable menus instead of the fixed selection of sizes in the previous version. It also allows filename lists to be sorted and to be filtered by specifying an extension, e.g. only _TXT or .TXT files. A few minor bugs have also been fixed. If you wish to update your copy of Launchpad version 2 just overwrite the two files in the package (ptrview_obj and ptrview_doc). The old version 1 of PtrView has not been updated. -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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BTWit just came into my mind, how nice it is to use the Windows facility of changing a windows size in the lower right edge of a window (you know...the three little parallel lines...). Would be a good thing for us. Cheers...ralf From: Dilwyn Jones The pointer driven text file viewer from the Launchpad suite is also available on the Launchpad downloads page as a stand-alone freeware utility. Version 2.02 changes the program to use dynamic scaleable menus instead of the fixed selection of sizes in the previous version. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
