[ql-users] George Gwilt's Programs
There have been updates to CPtr resulting in more compact code TurboTptr with changes to Setw, but the updated examples are not available yet. Gwasl enabling number of Labels etc to be configured. Gwass so that it will compile SMSQ/E for QXL, Atari, Q40 probably Q60, but you will need the modified source files for Gwass which I hope will be available soon. (NB we will not be making available the full source. You will still have to get that fromm an official source.) Have fun. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Eidersoft Drawing Off_ICE/QL2004
On 16 Jul 2004 at 20:40, gwicks wrote: Not me That is one of the reasons I posed the question. As far as I know none of the people who have raised this issue so far will be at QL2004. Unlike WoS we could preserve the source code, where we have, to. -- Tarquin Mills ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL -- PC possible?
Michael Berger schrieb: - Original Message - From: Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 2:06 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL -- PC possible? No, it's supplied separately on the SMSQ/E (or QPC) disc. And normally it does need the extended SER drivers of SMSQ/E anyway, you can however try Simser to extend the standard QL drivers: http://thgodef.nerim.net/smsq/Area11/SIMSER.zip michael there is a very good manual in the above mentioned zip-file (sogar auf deutsch) i think it will help you bye wolfgang Hi, thanks a lot for those hints, thanks to that I am probably very close to the point to get a QL -- QPC2 connection up and running. Managed to transfer the SIMSER_BIN and SERNET files to the QL via disk. on the QL I activate both LRESPR FLP1_SIMSER_BIN LRESPR FLP1_SERNET on the QPC2 side only LRESPR WIN1_SERNET(these are the places where the files sit on my particular system) then I tried to set both sides to different station numbers by using the SNET command (SNET 2 on the QL, SNET 1 on QPC2) But what is the next step, or am I still missing something? (have a serial cable that is designed for the QL's SER2 port). Is there some additional configuration (baud rate, port# ...) required? ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL -- PC possible?
- Original Message - From: wolfgang mühlegger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL -- PC possible? michael there is a very good manual in the above mentioned zip-file (sogar auf deutsch) ;-) i think it will help you probably not at this point: The serial cable that I have is designed for the QL's serial port #2 (AFAIK the wiring for the ser ports is not identical). I assume sernet is preconfigured to use ser1(?) So I am in trouble how to configure sernet to use ser2 port. Somewhere else I read that the MenuConfig program can do that. Found the program itself, but no manual or tutorial for it. Trying the command lrespr menuconfig just gives me a version information on the command line but no hint how to use the prog. Best regards, Michael ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
[ql-users] UQLX on MacOS 10.3
Hi, has anyone managed to compile a working UQLX for MacOS 10.3 (Panther)? I failed with several combinations of GCC (Apple's 2.95-2, 3.1, 3.3; GNU's 3.4) and Sources (Web; latest from RZ). My setup is a Powerbook G4 1.25 GHz, MacOS 10.3.4. UQLX compiles, but crashes with register dump at runtime. Surely RZ would fix this if I continue to bother him (I'm already generating MB's of debug output), but maybe someone else has already solved it? To Phoebus: The MacOS X version of UQLX from your site crashes, too. On which machine have you tried it (if any)? Thanks, Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] UQLX on MacOS 10.3
On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:47:02 +0200, Peter Graf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, has anyone managed to compile a working UQLX for MacOS 10.3 (Panther)? I failed with several combinations of GCC (Apple's 2.95-2, 3.1, 3.3; GNU's 3.4) and Sources (Web; latest from RZ). My setup is a Powerbook G4 1.25 GHz, MacOS 10.3.4. UQLX compiles, but crashes with register dump at runtime. Surely RZ would fix this if I continue to bother him (I'm already generating MB's of debug output), but maybe someone else has already solved it? That was compiled by James Weatherly as I have no Apple here (yet ;-) . I will have to contact him. To Phoebus: The MacOS X version of UQLX from your site crashes, too. On which machine have you tried it (if any)? It was compiled on 10.1. The register dump crash though reminds me of something. I will have to look at my correspondence between J.W, R.Z and myself on the subject. Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL -- PC possible?
On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:47:01 +0200, wolfgang mhlegger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Berger schrieb: - Original Message - From: wolfgang mhlegger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL -- PC possible? michael there is a very good manual in the above mentioned zip-file (sogar auf deutsch) ;-) i think it will help you probably not at this point: The serial cable that I have is designed for the QL's serial port #2 (AFAIK the wiring for the ser ports is not identical). I assume sernet is preconfigured to use ser1(?) So I am in trouble how to configure sernet to use ser2 port. Somewhere else I read that the MenuConfig program can do that. Found the program itself, but no manual or tutorial for it. Trying the command lrespr menuconfig just gives me a version information on the command line but no hint how to use the prog. EXEC MENUCONFIG that should help here is my netstart_cmd: REMark NETSTART_BAS REMark BAUD 115200 : rem i use qpc2 only, so setting the bau-rate is rem not required here, i get better results when i rem use the win$-devicemanager REMark BAUD 57600 REMark BAUD 38400 REMark BAUD 19200 REMark BAUD 14400 REMark BAUD 9600 PRINT 'Starting SERNET..' LRESPR 'win1_sys_sernet' : rem win1_sys_ is my systemfolder X$ = QPC_NETNAME$ X = X$(LEN(X$)) PRINT 'Netstation #';x rem SNET X PRINT 'Starting Serverjob ..' EXEP 'SERNET' PRINT 'SERNET is Ready!' CONTINUE snip Of course sernet HAS to be configured with Menuconfig (or config) first and remember that it will only work up to 19200 (with Hermes) between a real QL and QPC2 or at best at 2400 without Hermes. Sadly (as Derek pointed) superHermes Ser3 will not work even when rerouted to ser2 with one of superHermes redirection commands although I have never tried Simser on a Minerva to see if the redirection can be made before simser is run and sernet won't know about it :-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL -- PC possible?
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 19:36:59 +0200, Michael Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: wolfgang mhlegger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL -- PC possible? EXEC MENUCONFIG that should help that explains a lot! ... of course I could not execute MenuConfig ... because I unzipped it under Windows! So QDOS has no chance to recognize it as an executable. That is BTW one of my major problems at the moment: I do not yet have a working UNZIP prog under QDOS. Which prg / version is most recommended? Not 100% true. If you rename under DOS Menuconfig to say Menuconf.EXn (where n is the appropriate no for the dataspace required (see SMSQ/e manual) you can execute Menuconfig from a dos disk (or a DOS device under QPC2) even if the header is lost. (Of course you do require SMSQ/e to do that under real QL hardware) Ok, so in between tried something like transforming MenuConfig manually into an executable using LBYTES and SEXEC commands with a guess of 16K for the dataspace - I assume if such a guess for the dataspace is bigger than the really needed, then the prog should never have a problem with it??? Afterwards EX MENUCONFIG comes back with an error message Menu Extention not present - ok, I can understand this need - somewhere on a demo WIN file for QPC I found a file named MENU_REXT wich reports to be a demo version 5.03 from 1994. Once that is loaded EXEC MENUCONFIG reports Menu Extention too old - RRGG! (Sorry...) As you correctly found out you also need a newer Menu_rext :-) Menu extensions are not free and have to be purchased however for your purposes config_exe (that doesn't require Menu extensions) can be used. IIRC sernet only has v.1 config blocks (I am completely against the idea of config blocks myself... and all self modifying executables for that manner... btw :-) ) and config_exe is free. I can send you a version of config if you need. Funny (or not) but it is like an endless chain of problems, whenever you have solved one you run into the next... Yes but it's more fun like that... with windows you would be already stuck without the possibility for (easy) answers ;-) but on QDOS you already got offers for help :-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL -- PC possible?
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:56:06 +0200, Michael Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Phoebus R. Dokos ( . ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL -- PC possible? IIRC sernet only has v.1 config blocks (I am completely against the idea of config blocks myself... and all self modifying executables for that manner... btw :-) ) Completely agree. Having the configuration information within the executable file itself is a messy and error prone thing. Remember a lesson on information theory where patching executables was told to be one of the major sins of programming... and I must admit this matter would have been much easier in case the sernet file was accompanied with something like a sernet_config file in plain text format. and config_exe is free. I can send you a version of config if you need. Thanks for the nice offer. I found a version of config_exe on the already mentioned demo disk (petawin.zip from Marcel's homepage). Could start it but it tells me that sernet does not have a config level 1 block. Am I doing something wrong? Nope it just means that I was wrong and that sernet needs config level 2 blocks. I am using Menuconfig for these so I do not know if there's anything else free that can deal with them. Petawin.zip I believe includes a menuconfig that works so it is possible that you could configure your sernet from there. Just attach your current qxl.win file to a different win drive and use the petawin file to boot from. After all I guess the simplest workaround for me would be to get a cable that works with the QL's ser1 port - as I picked up from the discussion several people use sernet but noone gave a step-by step description how to set it up for ser2. It works the same way as long as sernet is configured to run from ser2 (or ser1 for that matter). There are problems with the IPC however on the QL and that's why it is *RECOMMENDED* to switch to a decent IPC like superHermes(lite) or -AT LEAST- Hermes. If you have a Samsung QL (ie D serial ports) then a regular Null modem cable will do the trick for you (That's how I use it). There have been other cables discussed but I never encountered any problems myself with a PC cable. A very good primer is on QLT - Contact Jochen Merz for a copy of that issue where Sernet-ting is exhausted as a subject :-) (And as Jochen nicely said it ... We've told you IT works!) An additional idea is to find an old Menuconfig (Which is free unlike Menu_rext) that can work with the Menu extensions that you already have. However I do believe that (and I maybe wrong so don't quote me on that :-) ) updates for Menu_rext are free until the colour enabled version so Jochen may be able to provide you with one that works with the Menuconfig that you have. Phoebus P.S. Of course there's always the solution of using disks :-) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] BTW: back
Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: P.S. WHY haven't you already flooded JMS and Marcel with orders for QPC updates? I told you it can play sounds now! People wake up! :-P~~~ (Yes I am feeling fine :-) ) Actually, if it weren't for you, Mr. Blabbermouth ;-), nobody would even know of this thing yet. Although it very much looks like the last release candidate will make it, the testing phase is still going on. One or two more weeks max, I'd say. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL -- PC possible?
Michael Berger wrote: Completely agree. Having the configuration information within the executable file itself is a messy and error prone thing. Why's that? What's error prone about this? And once you're used to this, it's actually a piece of cake. Level 2 is especially nice because it can update new versions of an application to the old configuration. Very convenient. Anyway, sorry for the dumb question, but isn't both Menu_rext and MenuConfig provided on the QPC disc? I might be wrong, I don't put the disc contents together and haven't seen an original disc in ages, but I thought this was the case. Remember a lesson on information theory where patching executables was told to be one of the major sins of programming... and I must admit this matter would have been much easier in case the sernet file was accompanied with something like a sernet_config file in plain text format. Then you would have to configure sernet_rext to tell it where to find the text file... the original QL design didn't have directories and it shows. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
[ql-users] self explaining software
MB: hope it is ok if I open up a new subject for this - because this is a subject of its own I think - Original Message - From: Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL -- PC possible? Michael Berger wrote: Completely agree. Having the configuration information within the executable file itself is a messy and error prone thing. Why's that? What's error prone about this? And once you're used to this, it's actually a piece of cake. Level 2 is especially nice because it can update new versions of an application to the old configuration. Very convenient. Error Prone was a bit too dramatic, I admit. Maybe Not self explaining is better: No doubt - as long as you know what you are doing, patching is the most convenient solution - but imagine you put the disk with yout excellent QL program into a disk box ... and 10 years later (or 2000 years or whatever...) someone else who starts at zero QL knowledge level(!) digs that disk out of the sand... it is funny but to some extent I am a guinea pig for this aspect ... and I must admit self-documentation is really one of the weak points of QDOS and its successors! QDOS may be far superior to MSDOS, but it lacks the What's this? concept: whenever in MSDOS I do not know how to use a certain command I can query some help using the /? option. So for instance with dir /? I get a listing of possible commands. So for me (guinea pig...) it would have been much easier to find an text file with configuration information, maybe along with comments. Otherwise I have to make assumptions (for instance if the program will access a certain port, and because I do not have the configuration program I will write my own experimental PEEK / POKE program - that is what I mean with error prone. I admit the QDOS does make a conceptual directory problem - there is no current directory concept from the beginning. Remember a lesson on information theory where patching executables was told to be one of the major sins of programming... and I must admit this matter would have been much easier in case the sernet file was accompanied with something like a sernet_config file in plain text format. Then you would have to configure sernet_rext to tell it where to find the text file... the original QL design didn't have directories and it shows. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] BTW: back
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 23:06:05 +0200, Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: P.S. WHY haven't you already flooded JMS and Marcel with orders for QPC updates? I told you it can play sounds now! People wake up! :-P~~~ (Yes I am feeling fine :-) ) Actually, if it weren't for you, Mr. Blabbermouth ;-), Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! :-) nobody would even know of this thing yet. Although it very much looks like the last release candidate will make it, the testing phase is still going on. One or two more weeks max, I'd say. it looked pretty damn stable to me :-) (Plus did you do anything in the floppy driver code? It seems to copy stuff faster now... (last version of QPC I had was 3.12 btw) Cheers, Pblabbermouthoebus :-) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
