Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 at 23:10:21, Roy wood wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 at 19:09:42, Roy wood wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marcel Kilgus ql- [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Tony Tebby wrote: Maybe that's out of copyright by now or maybe I'm not dead yet. Ah, uncertainty. Maybe somebody should open the box and have a look then? I found a cat with a tag saying 'if found return to Schroedinger' Was it dead or alive (8-)# I would not presume to collapse its quantum state Ahha - it might have made a leap (8-)# I must say this is testing the memories of the majority of us. The last time I studied Hiesenberg (well quantum mechanics) was around 40 years ago. Marcel has a big advantage. I never liked the wave packet idea - but things have moved on a bit. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
Someone like the Arlsienne ? -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de Tony Tebby Envoy : mardi 25 janvier 2005 12:02 : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II Rich Mellor wrote: Excellent news - now all we need is for Tony to decide what to do with his RAM disk driver - especially as his version is the only one which is not a fixed RAM disk. Maybe that's out of copyright by now or maybe I'm not dead yet. Makes me feel like the unspoken unseen hero of an Alan Aykbourne play. Tony ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:44:27 -, P Witte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dilwyn Jones writes: Tony Tebby wrote: Maybe that's out of copyright by now or maybe I'm not dead yet. Ah, uncertainty. Maybe somebody should open the box and have a look then? No wonder the QL user list has been so busy this year if we are starting to get contributions from beyond the grave... -- Rich Mellor Old operating systems programmers never die, they just run out of bugs to fix In that case certain old OS programmers will live on forever. Either way, copyright ceases after 50 years. In the mean time I think we owe it to Tony not to discuss the future disposal of his property but rather to rejoice in the good things we have had. All this still does not answer the original question - Tony, we would love to be able to sell your dynamic ram disk driver for use on QDOS Classic and emulators if you want to keep it commercial and not public domain that is. It is not currently available, except as part of QPAC 2. Could you contact me privately to discuss releasing just the ram disk driver on its own? -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
Rich Mellor wrote: On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:47:22 +, Roy wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After a discussion with Tony Tebby Jochen Merz and I have his permission to release the three Pointer Environment extensions HOT_REXT, PTR_GEN and WMAN as freeware. They will now be freely distributable. Copyright will remain with Tony Tebby I have some documentation with explanation the Keywords etc. which should be bundled with them. I will zip the whole thing and make it available to Dilwyn for inclusion on his website.. We have also got Tony's agreement to do the same for Toolkit II. At the moment I do not have a copy of this which can be LRESPR'd or a text file to accompany it but I hope to have both soon. OK This means that these files can now be included with emulators free of charge It should be noted that the Menu Extensions remain commercial as they are still being supported and developed by Jochen Merz Software. Anyone wishing to distribute these with their software should contact him for a licence I hope you will all agree this is good news. Excellent news - now all we need is for Tony to decide what to do with his RAM disk driver - especially as his version is the only one which is not a fixed RAM disk. Maybe that's out of copyright by now or maybe I'm not dead yet. Makes me feel like the unspoken unseen hero of an Alan Aykbourne play. Tony ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
Tony Tebby wrote: Maybe that's out of copyright by now or maybe I'm not dead yet. Ah, uncertainty. Maybe somebody should open the box and have a look then? Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
Rich Mellor wrote: Maybe that's out of copyright by now or maybe I'm not dead yet. Ah, uncertainty. Maybe somebody should open the box and have a look then? No wonder the QL user list has been so busy this year if we are starting to get contributions from beyond the grave... Well, the boxes I have referred to usually only contain cats. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
Tony Tebby wrote: Maybe that's out of copyright by now or maybe I'm not dead yet. Ah, uncertainty. Maybe somebody should open the box and have a look then? No wonder the QL user list has been so busy this year if we are starting to get contributions from beyond the grave... -- Rich Mellor Old operating systems programmers never die, they just run out of bugs to fix -- Dilwyn Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.3 - Release Date: 24/01/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
Dilwyn Jones writes: Tony Tebby wrote: Maybe that's out of copyright by now or maybe I'm not dead yet. Ah, uncertainty. Maybe somebody should open the box and have a look then? No wonder the QL user list has been so busy this year if we are starting to get contributions from beyond the grave... -- Rich Mellor Old operating systems programmers never die, they just run out of bugs to fix In that case certain old OS programmers will live on forever. Either way, copyright ceases after 50 years. In the mean time I think we owe it to Tony not to discuss the future disposal of his property but rather to rejoice in the good things we have had. Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
P Witte wrote: TK2 V2.12, at least, contains the keywords to make or open directories. I think the actual directory drivers are implemented separately. At least with some of the emulators you have to load both the toolkit ROM and a driver ROM such as NFA.ROM The above is wrong. Apologies. TK2 v2.12 (at least my version) doesnt have the MAKE_DIR command. I mixed it up with another version I used to have but can no longer find anywhere on my system. V2.12 has FOP_DIR and seems to work with directories, ie it appears to be able to read real directories but cannot make them. The current Smsqe version of TK2 is 3.28. Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
P Witte wrote: The current Smsqe version of TK2 is 3.28. Is that compatible with Minny/JS or do non-SMSQE users need a different version? If so which? and how do I tell which version I have? Jeremy -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.3 - Release Date: 24/1/05 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
- Original Message - From: Jeremy Taffel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II P Witte wrote: The current Smsqe version of TK2 is 3.28. Is that compatible with Minny/JS or do non-SMSQE users need a different version? If so which? and how do I tell which version I have? Jeremy JG I have found a file called TOOLKIT.zip which I think contains a version of TK2. This is currently in my QL folder on the PC. Is anyone interested in me sending them a copy? The file is dated October 2002 but I have no idea which version it is. The zip file contains two files: Toolkit.Boot and Toolkit.rext and is about 10Kb in size. Regards, John Gilpin. (individual) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeremy Taffel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes P Witte wrote: The current Smsqe version of TK2 is 3.28. Is that compatible with Minny/JS or do non-SMSQE users need a different version? If so which? and how do I tell which version I have? I think we need to get a definitive version of the Toolkit to release. I did not want bother Tony by asking if he had a copy we could release but it seems I may have to. I thought that it was easy to extract it from the Super Gold card ROM and use that. Not that I have any idea how to do it or how to make it so it can be loaded as a resident file. -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
Not a recent version, no. In fact, the most recent LRESPRable Tk2_rext I have is the rather ancient v2.12 copyrighted 1985 which I last used while I reviewed QemuLator for QL Today. In recent years, TK2 seems to have been part integrated into disk interface firmware, making it rather hard to cleanly extract, so I don't know what the most recent or most suitable stand-alone version for general release might be. Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: Roy wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Great news, send the software on to me as soon as you have it ready. I will do it as soon as I get through all this Beta testing I am doing. I'm glad that TK2 especially is being made available as I was getting a lot of requests for it for emulators and under the original agreement I could only supply it on the emulators CD, meaning people had to buy that to get it and TK2 didn't seem to be available stand-alone anywhere. Does this mean you have a copy of the LRESPR'able code? -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.3 - Release Date: 24/01/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.3 - Release Date: 24/01/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP The -command- is there, but is the actual code to create the directories actually part of the TK2 ROM section of the O/S. It might well be, but what you did doesn't -prove- it. It might rely on specific hardware/firmware. That actually is an issue. It seems very possible that the TK2 code in an interface is hardware specific. That is hard to tell I agree but surely one of the users of the emulators or QDOS Classic should be able to tell us. I dug the QL out again and created a sub-directory copied files to it and then read it back on QPC2 so it does do the actual creation. Could be that the code accesses the Gold Card ROM but I think it is self contained. The reason we wanted the TKII code to be available was that users of UQLX and other non_SMSQ/E systems wanted the ability to create sub-directories (and other bits of TKII like LRESPR) Many of these who had QLs were able to make an image to load onto their systems to do this but, if you don't have a working QL with a Gold Card you can't do it. There must be a few of you out there who have done this so can you test it ? - Actually you can test it, Tony. You have a QDOS emulator running don't you? If you do make a TKII image that can be LRESPR'd and the code works to create directories please let me have it for distribution. Just to add a further spanner to the works - weren't the level 2 drivers originally supplied as a replacement chip for the Trump Card - IIRC that was there first appearance - and they were by Jurgen Flakenberg, not TT (or have I got this mixed up with something else). No, definitely QJump as Jochen said. It may be that Falkenburg distributed a replacement chip but I do not recall his actual code being any good at all. His HDD interface had really awful software which was actually a lot bigger than it said it was and wrote into the video area. OK when you had a standard QL but when the Aurora came along it caused a lot of problems. Stuart always said he stole some of the code from the Miracle Interface without asking or paying for it. -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
Roy wood wrote: The -command- is there, but is the actual code to create the directories actually part of the TK2 ROM section of the O/S. of you out there who have done this so can you test it ? - Actually you can test it, Tony. You have a QDOS emulator running don't you? If you do make a TKII image that can be LRESPR'd and the code works to create directories please let me have it for distribution. I have copies of QLAY2 QL2K with which I use a TKII file I think I originally extracted from my Sandy SuperQBoard. This doesn't have a MAKE_DIR command but does implement the DATA_USE, PROG_USE, DEST_USE, DDOWN and DDUP commands. Any help? -- Regards, Stephen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 at 11:07:00, Roy wood wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) snip Actually you can test it, Tony. You have a QDOS emulator running don't you? If you do make a TKII image that can be LRESPR'd and the code works to create directories please let me have it for distribution. I only have a TKII rom with qemulator - which does not have MAKE_DIR. I don't know how to extract the TKII from an interface. Just to add a further spanner to the works - weren't the level 2 drivers originally supplied as a replacement chip for the Trump Card - IIRC that was there first appearance - and they were by Jurgen Flakenberg, not TT (or have I got this mixed up with something else). No, definitely QJump as Jochen said. It may be that Falkenburg distributed a replacement chip but I do not recall his actual code being any good at all. His HDD interface had really awful software which was actually a lot bigger than it said it was and wrote into the video area. OK when you had a standard QL but when the Aurora came along it caused a lot of problems. Stuart always said he stole some of the code from the Miracle Interface without asking or paying for it. I heard that too. I don't know anything about his firmware, but I have a -very- low opinion of his hardware. His standard of pcb manufacture, for instance, was quite laughable. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
After a discussion with Tony Tebby Jochen Merz and I have his permission to release the three Pointer Environment extensions HOT_REXT, PTR_GEN and WMAN as freeware. They will now be freely distributable. Copyright will remain with Tony Tebby I have some documentation with explanation the Keywords etc. which should be bundled with them. I will zip the whole thing and make it available to Dilwyn for inclusion on his website.. We have also got Tony's agreement to do the same for Toolkit II. At the moment I do not have a copy of this which can be LRESPR'd or a text file to accompany it but I hope to have both soon. OK Great news, send the software on to me as soon as you have it ready. I'm glad that TK2 especially is being made available as I was getting a lot of requests for it for emulators and under the original agreement I could only supply it on the emulators CD, meaning people had to buy that to get it and TK2 didn't seem to be available stand-alone anywhere. -- Dilwyn Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 21/01/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Great news, send the software on to me as soon as you have it ready. I will do it as soon as I get through all this Beta testing I am doing. I'm glad that TK2 especially is being made available as I was getting a lot of requests for it for emulators and under the original agreement I could only supply it on the emulators CD, meaning people had to buy that to get it and TK2 didn't seem to be available stand-alone anywhere. Does this mean you have a copy of the LRESPR'able code? -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
Roy wood writes: All you've proved is that the MAKE_DIR procedure is part of TKII... But that was the bit he wanted. What were the differences between the level two drivers and the normal ones then? This was a long time ago but I thought that the differences were mainly the sub-directories TK2 V2.12, at least, contains the keywords to make or open directories. I think the actual directory drivers are implemented separately. At least with some of the emulators you have to load both the toolkit ROM and a driver ROM such as NFA.ROM Are the sources also released? If they are, wouldnt it be convenient to maintain them together with Smsqe, so that at least some of the enhancements made to the Smsqe version of the toolkit can be made available to Qdos/Minerva systems? Presumably, they share a number of common files? Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
P Witte wrote: Roy wood writes: All you've proved is that the MAKE_DIR procedure is part of TKII... But that was the bit he wanted. What were the differences between the level two drivers and the normal ones then? This was a long time ago but I thought that the differences were mainly the sub-directories TK2 V2.12, at least, contains the keywords to make or open directories. I think the actual directory drivers are implemented separately. At least with some of the emulators you have to load both the toolkit ROM and a driver ROM such as NFA.ROM Are the sources also released? If they are, wouldnt it be convenient to maintain them together with Smsqe, so that at least some of the enhancements made to the Smsqe version of the toolkit can be made available to Qdos/Minerva systems? Presumably, they share a number of common files? Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm I had gold card which included the MAKE_DIR command. Strangely it came with the trump card manual plus a typed sheet which covered other items like the real time clock, and if memory serves, MAKE_DIR was one of the extras included in it. I no longer have the original hardware, only use emulators, and the tk2_ext file I use (which came from a superQboard I also had) does not include MAKE_DIR. Does anyone know the difference between a ROM image and a LRESPR -able one? Actually the LRESPR keyword is part of TK II, so you would have to use the composite line : RESPR(16384):LBYTES 'tk2_ext',base: call base or similar to load it. Incidentally I believe that the extras file in Hotkey System II includes part of TKII, but does anyone know off-hand which parts it contains? NFA.ROM is part of QLAY, and stands for Native File Access. It has nothing to do with MAKE_DIR, and is only a pseudo Native File Access System. It only supports one extra SuperBasic command: WIN_USE, which behaves like the TKII FLP_USE command. NFA.ROM allows DOS/Linux directories to map to a QDOS pseudo-device eg WIN, but requires a separate tool to be used to generate a separate qlay.dir file in the directory before the contents are visible to QLAY. In my experience it is not very robust; the directory gets corrupted, as can happen if the PC crashes during QLAY operation. The native file access in uQLx is, IMHO much easier to use, and is more robust, allowing access to linux and windows directories, MSDOS floppies, QL floppies, and QL floppy images on the hard disk (within linux just cat /dev/whatever the raw floppy device is on your system name of image file to create). It even traverses linux subdirectories so that if flp1_ is defined as /home/ql/flp1 then flp1_docs_accounts is automatically routed to /home/ql/flp1/docs/accounts. Brilliant! Jeremy -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 21/1/05 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
TK2 V2.12, at least, contains the keywords to make or open directories. I think the actual directory drivers are implemented separately. At least with some of the emulators you have to load both the toolkit ROM and a driver ROM such as NFA.ROM Yes, toolkit keywords like MAKE_DIR handle the SuperBASIC parameters and pass them to the device driver, so the keyword by itself is not useful unless the device driver is level 2. (Or the toolkit itself implements such a device driver.) Q-emuLator's device driver is level 2, and the same must be true for uQLx. Daniele ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
TK2 V2.12, at least, contains the keywords to make or open directories. I Is V2.12 the latest version that was released? ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP Hmm... methinks I should have been less cryptic :-) Unlike the ROM cartridge TK2, the GC ROM consists of several software elements. TK2 is one, the Level 2 RAM device driver is another and, of course, the Level 2 FLP device driver is a third. TK2 does not implement sub-directories, it merely provides some SB extensions that know how to talk to Level 2 drivers. The only way one could use a disk interface ROM to give an emulator the ability to work with sub-directories is if the disk interface hardware memory map and chip (e.g. WD1770) were emulated or if the ROM code was patched to intercept/redirect the low-level read/write/position calls that the higher-level file system routines use to access the disk/drive. Of course, the clean way to achieve the desired result would be for the producer of the emulator to provide a Level 2 driver (e.g. the QPC2 DOS device) that an up-to-date standalone TK2 (in the form of a resident extension file or ROM image) could talk to... This explains a lot then. I don't know if the sources are available but are they not part of SMSQ/E as a module ? I can find out. I don't know who would be available to make a definitive version with all the features needed though. -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
Nope - the Level 2 drivers weree seaparate unfortunately Can't remember who did them - Jochen do you recall? I think the Level 2 drivers came with the ATARI Emulator and GoldCard and QXL... too long ago for details. Done by QJUMP, of course... Cheers Jochen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
Roy Wood wrote: I have just done a little test here with a standard QL, twin floppies and a Gold Card. No software loaded. Without TKII MAKE_DIR FLP1_TEST gives bad name - nothing happens. Load TKII from the Gold Card MAKE_DIR FLP1_TEST creates a directory I would say that is conclusive. The Level II drivers are in the TKII ROM which is now freeware. Rubbish :-) All you've proved is that the MAKE_DIR procedure is part of TKII... John ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP I would say that is conclusive. The Level II drivers are in the TKII ROM which is now freeware. ... but only the TKII with Gold Card/Super Gold Card (and Trump Card?). It is not on the standalone ROMs. There it is then. If you can create LRESPR'able code from a Super Gold Card then let me have it and I will put it up as the distributable TKII. Problem solved. Or tell me how to do it and I will make it.. I can also create RAM disks but this is with or without TK II but directories are only visible after TKII is started. Extension 'ramprt' with QPAC2 I did not have anything loaded at all. I just turned the machine on and did a DIR command -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP Rubbish :-) All you've proved is that the MAKE_DIR procedure is part of TKII... But that was the bit he wanted. What were the differences between the level two drivers and the normal ones then? This was a long time ago but I thought that the differences were mainly the sub-directories -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 at 18:52:28, Roy wood wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP Rubbish :-) All you've proved is that the MAKE_DIR procedure is part of TKII... But that was the bit he wanted. What were the differences between the level two drivers and the normal ones then? This was a long time ago but I thought that the differences were mainly the sub-directories I think you misunderstand him. The -command- is there, but is the actual code to create the directories actually part of the TK2 ROM section of the O/S. It might well be, but what you did doesn't -prove- it. It might rely on specific hardware/firmware. That actually is an issue. It seems very possible that the TK2 code in an interface is hardware specific. I hope TT looks in during this thread (or Nasta) (8-)# Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:52:22 +, Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 at 18:52:28, Roy wood wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP Rubbish :-) All you've proved is that the MAKE_DIR procedure is part of TKII... But that was the bit he wanted. What were the differences between the level two drivers and the normal ones then? This was a long time ago but I thought that the differences were mainly the sub-directories I think you misunderstand him. The -command- is there, but is the actual code to create the directories actually part of the TK2 ROM section of the O/S. It might well be, but what you did doesn't -prove- it. It might rely on specific hardware/firmware. That actually is an issue. It seems very possible that the TK2 code in an interface is hardware specific. I hope TT looks in during this thread (or Nasta) (8-)# Tony Just to add a further spanner to the works - weren't the level 2 drivers originally supplied as a replacement chip for the Trump Card - IIRC that was there first appearance - and they were by Jurgen Flakenberg, not TT (or have I got this mixed up with something else). -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:36:47 -0800, Timothy Swenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did TKII come with the Level II drivers (that supported Subdirectories) or was that a separate piece? I know my Gold Card came support for Subdirectories and I thought that was with TKII. For using UQLX, having Subdirectory support would be very usefull. Nope - the Level 2 drivers weree seaparate unfortunately Can't remember who did them - Jochen do you recall? I am 100% sure that the level II drivers were done by TT - who else?? I have just done a little test here with a standard QL, twin floppies and a Gold Card. No software loaded. Without TKII MAKE_DIR FLP1_TEST gives bad name - nothing happens. Load TKII from the Gold Card MAKE_DIR FLP1_TEST creates a directory I would say that is conclusive. The Level II drivers are in the TKII ROM which is now freeware. I can also create RAM disks but this is with or without TK II but directories are only visible after TKII is started. Hope this makes sense. -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 at 20:54:47, Roy wood wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) snip I am 100% sure that the level II drivers were done by TT - who else?? I have just done a little test here with a standard QL, twin floppies and a Gold Card. No software loaded. Without TKII MAKE_DIR FLP1_TEST gives bad name - nothing happens. Load TKII from the Gold Card MAKE_DIR FLP1_TEST creates a directory I would say that is conclusive. The Level II drivers are in the TKII ROM which is now freeware. ... but only the TKII with Gold Card/Super Gold Card (and Trump Card?). It is not on the standalone ROMs. I can also create RAM disks but this is with or without TK II but directories are only visible after TKII is started. Extension 'ramprt' with QPAC2 Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:47:22 +, Roy wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After a discussion with Tony Tebby Jochen Merz and I have his permission to release the three Pointer Environment extensions HOT_REXT, PTR_GEN and WMAN as freeware. They will now be freely distributable. Copyright will remain with Tony Tebby I have some documentation with explanation the Keywords etc. which should be bundled with them. I will zip the whole thing and make it available to Dilwyn for inclusion on his website.. We have also got Tony's agreement to do the same for Toolkit II. At the moment I do not have a copy of this which can be LRESPR'd or a text file to accompany it but I hope to have both soon. OK This means that these files can now be included with emulators free of charge It should be noted that the Menu Extensions remain commercial as they are still being supported and developed by Jochen Merz Software. Anyone wishing to distribute these with their software should contact him for a licence I hope you will all agree this is good news. Excellent news - now all we need is for Tony to decide what to do with his RAM disk driver - especially as his version is the only one which is not a fixed RAM disk. Even if this were only available commercially, that would do. Think originally QJump sold it packaged with a print spooler... -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roy wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes After a discussion with Tony Tebby Jochen Merz and I have his permission to release the three Pointer Environment extensions HOT_REXT, PTR_GEN and WMAN as freeware. They will now be freely distributable. Copyright will remain with Tony Tebby I have some documentation with explanation the Keywords etc. which should be bundled with them. I will zip the whole thing and make it available to Dilwyn for inclusion on his website.. We have also got Tony's agreement to do the same for Toolkit II. At the moment I do not have a copy of this which can be LRESPR'd or a text file to accompany it but I hope to have both soon. OK This means that these files can now be included with emulators free of charge It should be noted that the Menu Extensions remain commercial as they are still being supported and developed by Jochen Merz Software. Anyone wishing to distribute these with their software should contact him for a licence I hope you will all agree this is good news. Yes, very good news. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
Roy wood writes: After a discussion with Tony Tebby Jochen Merz and I have his permission I hope you will all agree this is good news. This is splendid news! Time for an Upgrade your QL website, somebody? Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II
Did TKII come with the Level II drivers (that supported Subdirectories) or was that a separate piece? I know my Gold Card came support for Subdirectories and I thought that was with TKII. For using UQLX, having Subdirectory support would be very usefull. Tim Swenson ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
