Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 at 00:37:27, Phoebus Dokos wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) These are eproms without hardware, so I can part with any. Great :-) Do you have a list? I don't (8-(# There are a vast number. I have been meaning to catalogue but never found the time. I will have a go but it may be a while. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 at 08:18:52, Adrian Graham wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) The original dongle had a black cover over the chip (at least the one I had in 1984 did). It had a flat plastic base, with a curved top covering the EPROM. I think there's a picture in the QL Pics page on my website somewhere. http://dilwynjones.topcities.com/pics/dongle2.gif This is the board I've got so I need to get back to where I found it and look for the cover. The box of EPROMs may be interesting too.. Yep that is the one. Professional looking, but the moulded case isn't - it looks home-made. I lost one in my accident on the way to the Croatian QL show. I still have the other test ROM. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar
into an eprom, as the QEPIII had no through port, so I usually ended up copying to microdrive cartridge, probably the last regular use I had for a mdv cartridge. These days, I'd probably use the romdisq instead. ... but only if the QL has an internal ram expansion, or you plug QEPIII into a backplane. I must find an internally expanded QL, as I would like to use QEPIII this way. Yes, although the traditional QL+QEPIII is a dead end, there are ways around it with backplanes or internal expansions. I always forget that a QL would need a memory expansion for romdisq+something else like this. I copied it using another programmer (8-)# Tony Price did a great mod which allowed 'programming' of an NVR eprom emulator. These are battery backed ram which are pin-compatible with EPROMs - ie 'look' like them to the computer. I'm sure there was an add on at one time which let you copy code into a RAM or EPROM plugged into the ROM slot, I can't remember what it was called, I thinkit was by a company called MCS, anyone remember what the device was called? I must find the code (it is on one of my QEPIIIs) and put it on my web site. There is no copyright problem (is there Tony T?) as no-one has pirated the hardware! I find it heartening how people like you are prepared to do their bit to prevent these older things slipping into history. I was pleasantly surprised by the help I got from traders and ex traders when I was getting as many old manuals as I could onto my website for posterity and of course to help buyers of 2nd hand gear. BTW I have quite a large collection of assorted EPROMs from various expansions etc. That will be useful to know. I have 2 EPROMs (27128's I think) which I have been recycling as and when (rarely!) I needed, and an old Z88 EPROM eraser. The EPROMs won't last forever so I'll probably take you up on that when the need arises! SMSQE and QemuLator allow you to run ROM images, so the need for EPROMs is not what it once was. I did blow a few data EPROMs for a previous employer who asked me if I knew how to handle them as something needed changing quickly rather than waiting for a new set to be ordered. Luckily they were EPROMs QEPIII would handle, so I read the code from the old one, patched the data which needed editing via a hex editor and gave it back to him reprogrammed following morning. Brownie points all round. I didn't tell him I couldn't replace them if I damaged them, luckily they worked first time. As far as I know...he never asked me to do it again! Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 at 14:03:15, wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) BTW I have quite a large collection of assorted EPROMs from various expansions etc. That will be useful to know. I have 2 EPROMs (27128's I think) which I have been recycling as and when (rarely!) I needed, and an old Z88 EPROM eraser. The EPROMs won't last forever so I'll probably take you up on that when the need arises! I meant already programmed QL ones. Blank eproms of all sorts, re-cycled and new, are very plentiful and cheap. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phoebus Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes QEPIII eprom though is copyable. I meant the whole machine... I've never seen one actually and it makes my Aurora even more usable (as if the I2C bus wasn't enough ;-) If I remember correctly you could not use the original QEP III with any memory expansion. There were a couple of versions which had been modified to work (I think Steve Hall had one) and Keith Mitchell should still have my QEP III somewhere although I think it did not work so that would be no use. -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar
on 12/7/2004 3:21 PM, Roy wood at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phoebus Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes QEPIII eprom though is copyable. I meant the whole machine... I've never seen one actually and it makes my Aurora even more usable (as if the I2C bus wasn't enough ;-) If I remember correctly you could not use the original QEP III with any memory expansion. There were a couple of versions which had been modified to work (I think Steve Hall had one) and Keith Mitchell should still have my QEP III somewhere although I think it did not work so that would be no use. I recall solving the problem of how to get EPROM code onto a QEP equipped QL by using another QL and the QL network. The QL with the QEP simply needed TK2 and to be connected via network lead to another QL system with TK2 where I stored all the EPROM images. On the QEP unit I seem to remember typing NET 1, FSERVE and then QEP (or was it EPROM?). In selecting the code to be programmed it went something like N2_win1_eproms_eprom_code. It worked great and I didn't have to mess around with fussy microdrives. -- John Impellizzeri mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] QL Calendar
At 23:08 05/12/2004 +, you wrote: It is interesting to see it was clearly intended as a standard QL add-on, as it has two slots. It is also very professionally made. The QL of course was designed originally for 32k ROM, and 32k rom slot. Showing my ignorance here, but I don't remember anyone doing ROM software for the QL that needed a ROM cartridge, so were all these boards purely for dongle purposes and nothing else? If so I'll have to get back to that box and get all the EEPROMs out of it. There was an almost identical dongle board (for Speccy ?) the key slot in a diff' position, I modified a few for experimental purposes. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar
I recall solving the problem of how to get EPROM code onto a QEP equipped QL by using another QL and the QL network. The QL with the QEP simply needed TK2 and to be connected via network lead to another QL system with TK2 where I stored all the EPROM images. On the QEP unit I seem to remember typing NET 1, FSERVE and then QEP (or was it EPROM?). In selecting the code to be programmed it went something like N2_win1_eproms_eprom_code. It worked great and I didn't have to mess around with fussy microdrives. -- John Impellizzeri Great - yet again the QL proves its versatility! The only downside is that another QL, Aurora or QXL is needed to network to, but other than that probably the most flexible solution yet! -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar
At 20:40 06/12/2004 +, you wrote: Best fun with a QEPIII was how to get the image off disk to be blown into an eprom, as the QEPIII had no through port, so I usually ended up copying to microdrive cartridge, probably the last regular use I had for a mdv cartridge. These days, I'd probably use the romdisq instead. I built a little board to plug into QEP zif so that I could blow a 64kb chip by paging. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] QL Calendar
QJUMP, Digital Precision, Computer1, Eidersoft, are just a few names that come to mind Well, that's my ignorance shown isn't it :o) cheers, -- Adrian/Witchy Creator/Curator of Binary Dinosaurs, quite probably the UK's biggest private home computer collection. www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the online museum www.aaghverts.co.uk - *the* site for letting you moan about adverts! www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - former gothic shenanigans :( ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar
Downloaded QaLendar with Firefox, it auto loaded into Openoffice and displayed OK. Do not use MS Office at home... I might print it out at work on a Colour laser printer, do you want a copy... Derek That would be great. I printed it from my colour inkjet, but it's all wrinkled like wet paper :-( Errr, and one copy only please (i.e. don't send it via Jochen) Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar
Any complaints about it being in non-QL format and I'll replace it with a calendar with pictures of Tony Firshman, Rich Mellor, Jochen Merz, Stuart Honeyball, Bill Richardson, Geoff Wicks, Darren Branagh, John Mason, Roy Wood, Joachim van der Auwera, Tony Tebby and Phoebus Dokos. You have been warned! You are nearer the truth than you think. When I met the Quanta committee in February I suggested to them that they should have photos of all the new committee in the first issue of the Quanta Magazine after the AGM. This was not carried out. I did not tell the committee the full idea, which was to headline the page containing the photos Page 3 Pinups. At the bottom of the page I would have added: And if you don't like our pinups, then just be grateful that there are not 12 members on the committee otherwise we might have produced the Quanta calendar Just image the committee members posing Women's Institute style with just a little bit of QL hardware to obscure the ... er...um...natural hardware. Having now totally destroyed the reputation of the Quanta Committee, I should perhaps add that I was writing personally and not officially, Gulp. I claim copyright on the name QaLendar (even though I was the one who thought it was naff) Apart from that, the committee can offend their members any way they please! -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar
QJUMP, Digital Precision, Computer1, Eidersoft, are just a few names that come to mind Well, that's my ignorance shown isn't it :o) Toolkit 2 was the prime example. Even more recently, Norman Dunbar did an EPROM version of his DJToolkit for DJC, and Michael Crowe did MegaToolkit in an EPROM version too. Care Electronics actually sold the cartridges for many years. The QEPIII EPROM programmer originally from QJump, more recently by Qubbesoft, allowed you to blow 16K eproms if you had a utility like Liberation Software's eprom utilities to assist. Main problem was the 16KB limit. Best fun with a QEPIII was how to get the image off disk to be blown into an eprom, as the QEPIII had no through port, so I usually ended up copying to microdrive cartridge, probably the last regular use I had for a mdv cartridge. These days, I'd probably use the romdisq instead. -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar
On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 at 20:40:05, Dilwyn Jones wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) QJUMP, Digital Precision, Computer1, Eidersoft, are just a few names that come to mind Well, that's my ignorance shown isn't it :o) Toolkit 2 was the prime example. Even more recently, Norman Dunbar did an EPROM version of his DJToolkit for DJC, and Michael Crowe did MegaToolkit in an EPROM version too. Care Electronics actually sold the cartridges for many years. The QEPIII EPROM programmer originally from QJump, more recently by Qubbesoft, allowed you to blow 16K eproms if you had a utility like Liberation Software's eprom utilities to assist. Main problem was the 16KB limit. Best fun with a QEPIII was how to get the image off disk to be blown into an eprom, as the QEPIII had no through port, so I usually ended up copying to microdrive cartridge, probably the last regular use I had for a mdv cartridge. These days, I'd probably use the romdisq instead. ... but only if the QL has an internal ram expansion, or you plug QEPIII into a backplane. I must find an internally expanded QL, as I would like to use QEPIII this way. I copied it using another programmer (8-)# Tony Price did a great mod which allowed 'programming' of an NVR eprom emulator. These are battery backed ram which are pin-compatible with EPROMs - ie 'look' like them to the computer. He did this by adding an extra option to remove the blank check. These devices never need 'erasing'. I can't remember whether/if there is an overwrite option in QEPII. It is a long time ago now, but there was a reason for him having to modify the code. I must find the code (it is on one of my QEPIIIs) and put it on my web site. There is no copyright problem (is there Tony T?) as no-one has pirated the hardware! BTW I have quite a large collection of assorted EPROMs from various expansions etc. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar
Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:53:14 +,() Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: snip BTW I have quite a large collection of assorted EPROMs from various expansions etc. Yes but are you willing to part with one or more of them? How about a QEPIII? :-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar
On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 at 19:26:35, Phoebus Dokos wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:53:14 +,() Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: snip BTW I have quite a large collection of assorted EPROMs from various expansions etc. Yes but are you willing to part with one or more of them? How about a QEPIII? :-) These are eproms without hardware, so I can part with any. QEPIII eprom though is copyable. It is no use without the hardware, and I am _sure_ no-one is going to clone _that_. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar
Tue, 7 Dec 2004 05:26:09 +,() Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 at 19:26:35, Phoebus Dokos wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:53:14 +,() Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: snip BTW I have quite a large collection of assorted EPROMs from various expansions etc. Yes but are you willing to part with one or more of them? How about a QEPIII? :-) These are eproms without hardware, so I can part with any. Great :-) Do you have a list? QEPIII eprom though is copyable. I meant the whole machine... I've never seen one actually and it makes my Aurora even more usable (as if the I2C bus wasn't enough ;-) It is no use without the hardware, and I am _sure_ no-one is going to clone _that_. Tony -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar
- Original Message - From: Dilwyn Jones To: QL Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 5:56 PM Subject: [ql-users] QL Calendar Any complaints about it being in non-QL format and I'll replace it with a calendar with pictures of Tony Firshman, Rich Mellor, Jochen Merz, Stuart Honeyball, Bill Richardson, Geoff Wicks, Darren Branagh, John Mason, Roy Wood, Joachim van der Auwera, Tony Tebby and Phoebus Dokos. You have been warned! You are nearer the truth than you think. When I met the Quanta committee in February I suggested to them that they should have photos of all the new committee in the first issue of the Quanta Magazine after the AGM. This was not carried out. I did not tell the committee the full idea, which was to headline the page containing the photos Page 3 Pinups. At the bottom of the page I would have added: And if you don't like our pinups, then just be grateful that there are not 12 members on the committee otherwise we might have produced the Quanta calendar Just image the committee members posing Women's Institute style with just a little bit of QL hardware to obscure the ... er...um...natural hardware. Having now totally destroyed the reputation of the Quanta Committee, I should perhaps add that I was writing personally and not officially, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] QL Calendar
Heh, Ta for that! Nice timing too, because today I found something that I thought was QL dongle related and lo and behold you've got one pictured for Dec 05 - it's the bottom twin-ROM one. Sadly no ROMs or case present but if it's a real 1st edition type 'oops we can't fit all the code internally' dongle I'll be well chuffed. It was found near a box of chips that contained EEPROMs and a WD1770 chip so if there's early code to be had it may well be in that box. The label on the board says 'QLF2 8000 B45A' cheers! -- Adrian/Witchy Creator/Curator of Binary Dinosaurs, quite probably the UK's biggest private home computer collection. www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the online museum www.aaghverts.co.uk - *the* site for letting you moan about adverts! www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - former gothic shenanigans :( ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 at 20:47:15, Adrian Graham wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Heh, Ta for that! Nice timing too, because today I found something that I thought was QL dongle related and lo and behold you've got one pictured for Dec 05 - it's the bottom twin-ROM one. Sadly no ROMs or case present but if it's a real 1st edition type 'oops we can't fit all the code internally' dongle I'll be well chuffed. It was found near a box of chips that contained EEPROMs and a WD1770 chip so if there's early code to be had it may well be in that box. I have a cased eprom board containing the QL test code. It is interesting to see it was clearly intended as a standard QL add-on, as it has two slots. It is also very professionally made. The QL of course was designed originally for 32k ROM, and 32k rom slot. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] QL Calendar
It is interesting to see it was clearly intended as a standard QL add-on, as it has two slots. It is also very professionally made. The QL of course was designed originally for 32k ROM, and 32k rom slot. Showing my ignorance here, but I don't remember anyone doing ROM software for the QL that needed a ROM cartridge, so were all these boards purely for dongle purposes and nothing else? If so I'll have to get back to that box and get all the EEPROMs out of it. cheers! a ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar
Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:08:55 -,() Adrian Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: It is interesting to see it was clearly intended as a standard QL add-on, as it has two slots. It is also very professionally made. The QL of course was designed originally for 32k ROM, and 32k rom slot. Showing my ignorance here, but I don't remember anyone doing ROM software for the QL that needed a ROM cartridge, so were all these boards purely for dongle purposes and nothing else? If so I'll have to get back to that box and get all the EEPROMs out of it. QJUMP, Digital Precision, Computer1, Eidersoft, are just a few names that come to mind Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QL Calendar
Snippety-snip Any complaints about it being in non-QL format and I'll replace it with a calendar with pictures of Tony Firshman, Rich Mellor, Jochen Merz, Stuart Honeyball, Bill Richardson, Geoff Wicks, Darren Branagh, John Mason, Roy Wood, Joachim van der Auwera, Tony Tebby and Phoebus Dokos. You have been warned! Dilwyn Jones (Been at the sherry again...Trying to lose as many friends in one email as possible!) Please put my picture on That way surely you will lose all your friends forever ;-) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
