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Thanks for your help Uwe and Robin. I found Robins mail also funny until he made fun of me. Yes, it's true I should have read the FAQ and should have stated my OS (Redhat Linux 7.0 i386) and logging tool (multilog). I just thought this is kind of standard. What I don't understand why Robin cannot write something like: check the FAQ for answers about how to archive all incoming and outgoing mail and second I cannot help you if you don't tell me your OS and logging tool. It is basically the same, but a lot more friendly. If you just look how much energy people and I mean PEOPLE have to talk about everything else than the question I orginally had, it is hard to believe how difficult it is to remind somebody to read the FAQ or just to ignore boring questions. Roland On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Robin S. Socha wrote: * Bill Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010622 13:22]: Russell Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Then don't ask a public mailing list for help. Instead, go to one of the suppliers of commercial support. How to know which is reliable? Watch this mailing list, and see who's been around longest (has the most established reputation to protect), and who supplies the most clueful answers. I'd buy your suport every day, Russel. And I mean it. Well put. Very much in the spirit of user supported software... May I kindly ask you to, like, get a life? Russel offers commercial support. He's contributing here *A LOT*. You, on the other hand, are a whining luser. Russ, I'm not saying they shouldn't give us the information needed to help them. I'm just of the opinion we shouldn't jump down every newbie's throat just because they are a little over cautious. What dictionary did you look cautious up in? Or are you referring to the OP's overly cautious use of the recommended reading aka FAQ? Put yourself in their shoes. Eh. That's what alt.rec.suicide is for. Imagine walking up to an Automated Teller Machine and seeing a guy, presumably a maintenance worker, adjusting the electronics. He says, The card reader and pad aren't working. Just give me your card and PIN number and I'll swipe it back here. , | Port State Service | 21/tcp openftp | 22/tcp openssh | 23/tcp opentelnet | 25/tcp opensmtp | 79/tcp openfinger | 80/tcp openhttp | 111/tcpfilteredsunrpc | 199/tcpopensmux | 443/tcpopenhttps | 512/tcpopenexec | 513/tcpopenlogin | 514/tcpopenshell | 515/tcpopenprinter | 3306/tcp openmysql | | TCP Sequence Prediction: Class=random positive increments | Difficulty=74755 (Worthy challenge) | Remote operating system guess: BSDI BSD/OS 3.0-3.1 (or possibly MacOS, NetBSD) ` Would you like me to tell you the programs and version numbers to go along with that, too, Sir? Would YOU hand over your card? https://mail.socha.net/about/ - happy cracking, luser. Do you need any help running nmap? All he wants to do it help you, right? Since putting them down is a non-op, yes. Think about it... Talking to yourself a lot, eh?
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Roland Mathis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I don't understand why Robin cannot write something like: check the FAQ for answers about how to archive all incoming and outgoing mail and second I cannot help you if you don't tell me your OS and logging tool. Because if we did this for every person who sent a message to the list without reading the FAQ, etc., we wouldn't have time to do anything else. Besides, it gets boring sending the same thing to the mailing list twenty times a day. Yes, it's that bad sometimes. it is hard to believe how difficult it is to remind somebody to read the FAQ or just to ignore boring questions. The reminder is on the page of Dan's site where it says to do all this _before_ sending your question to the mailing list. We can't help it that you appear to have not followed those instructions. No bitterness here; just trying to show you _why_ you received the response you did. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
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On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 06:25:13PM +0800, Roland Mathis wrote: Yes, it's true I should have read the FAQ and should have stated my OS (Redhat Linux 7.0 i386) and logging tool (multilog). I just thought this is kind of standard. Standard?? ok, using multilog is quite common. The unix running is surely not standard. The percentage of non-linux unix systems running djbware is significantly higher than for most other widespread software I might guess. I remeber a mail from djb: don't waste your time by guessing what the user could have meant. He's absolutely right. What I don't understand why Robin cannot write something like: check the FAQ for answers about how to archive all incoming and outgoing mail and second I cannot help you if you don't tell me your OS and logging tool. Well, some of us (inlucing me) are just tired of that. -- * Henning Brauer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.bsws.de * * Roedingsmarkt 14, 20459 Hamburg, Germany * Unix is very simple, but it takes a genius to understand the simplicity. (Dennis Ritchie)
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On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 06:25:13PM +0800, Roland Mathis wrote: Thanks for your help Uwe and Robin. I found Robins mail also funny until he made fun of me. Translation: I saw how Robin treated people who posted messages that made it obvious that they had not done any research on their own, but this did not dissuade me from posting a similar message. Apparently Robin is slacking off. --Adam
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This is in response to your email about the loss of email ghost. First of all, fuck you and the horse you road in on. This guy is asking for help, not to be harassed. Second, you demonstrated your own incompetence; your lack of understanding basic rules of security is quite obvious in your quote below: Yes, but the degree of incompetence you've already displayed by not giving us any idea of your network environment, your operating system, and the exect setup you're running (including, most importantly, the logging tool) suggests that you wouldn't understand it. What the fuck else do you want from the guy? His passwords, IP range, hours of operation and social security number? When crackers, AKA, hackers, go looking for a network to exploit, they often start with forums, UseNet, etc to find out as much as they can about an administrator, his network and level of expertise. Kevin Mitnick relied on social engineering for 90 percent of his exploits. Who the fuck are you anyway? Hey asshole, the Internet is a co-op. You probably run Linux too, another cooperative effort where some geeky Scandinavian programmer relied on the contributions and input from others via the Internet to start his little binary revolution. Have you ever answered a post in a positive manner? Actually helped someone? Or are you that guy in college that raised his hand and repeated what the instructor said so you would sound smart? Why do you feel you are in the position to fuck with people seeking help? Robin, are you male or female? Well, either way you are a little bitch!
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This is in response to your email about the ?loss of email ghost.? [rantings snipped] *ring* *ring* - Hello, Joe's Car Service. How may I be of service? - Ah yes, it's my car. It doesn't start - Ah, I see. What make is it? - Oh well, I'm afraid I can't tell you that - Uhmm...why not? - Well, you never know. So many car thieves these days. You might find out where it is and come and steal it - We would not do that sir. We're a respectable company - Well, I can not know that for sure... - Aha. So, can you give us your address so we can come and have a look at it at your home then? - Heavens no! You might rob my house at night if I tell you where I live! - Oh well, I'm afraid we can't help you then, sir - WHAT!! WHY NOT! I'm only asking for help - But sir... - YOU ASSHOLES *click* Lars
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On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 06:26:03AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is in response to your email about the loss of email ghost. [rant] Why make a public discussion out of this?? A private mail to Socha is probably more efficient and definitely more polite. I can understand Socha though. You shouldn't operate a mail service unless you know a couple of basic things like your operating system and your shell. I can't help someone that doesn't know his/her own service -- are they using inetd, xinetd, tcpserver with daemontools under SysV or BSD? Either get the knowledge or buy it. This is the reason why most of my mail to this list is references to Bernsteins FAQ -- to help people to find the knowledge. You are truly vulnerable without it. Jörgen
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My ISP does not suport RETURN-PATH ...!!! -Pa°L
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First of all, fuck you and the horse you road in on. This guy is asking for help, not to be harassed. Please leave the poor horse out. Kirti -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: GHOSTS AND ASSHOLES This is in response to your email about the loss of email ghost. First of all, fuck you and the horse you road in on. This guy is asking for help, not to be harassed. Second, you demonstrated your own incompetence; your lack of understanding basic rules of security is quite obvious in your quote below: Yes, but the degree of incompetence you've already displayed by not giving us any idea of your network environment, your operating system, and the exect setup you're running (including, most importantly, the logging tool) suggests that you wouldn't understand it. What the fuck else do you want from the guy? His passwords, IP range, hours of operation and social security number? When crackers, AKA, hackers, go looking for a network to exploit, they often start with forums, UseNet, etc to find out as much as they can about an administrator, his network and level of expertise. Kevin Mitnick relied on social engineering for 90 percent of his exploits. Who the fuck are you anyway? Hey asshole, the Internet is a co-op. You probably run Linux too, another cooperative effort where some geeky Scandinavian programmer relied on the contributions and input from others via the Internet to start his little binary revolution. Have you ever answered a post in a positive manner? Actually helped someone? Or are you that guy in college that raised his hand and repeated what the instructor said so you would sound smart? Why do you feel you are in the position to fuck with people seeking help? Robin, are you male or female? Well, either way you are a little bitch!
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This guy is asking for help, [...] What the fuck else do you want from the guy? His passwords, IP range, hours of operation and social security number? If we think it's relevant to the problem in question, yes. If he doesn't want to give that information to the list, he can hire a qmail consultant to fix his system for him. We can't work blind, and even if we could, it's not worth the hassle. Robin was entirely correct in his (rather witty) writeup. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
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Lars Hansson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: *ring* *ring* - Hello, Joe's Car Service. How may I be of service? - Ah yes, it's my car. It doesn't start - Ah, I see. What make is it? - Oh well, I'm afraid I can't tell you that - Uhmm...why not? - Well, you never know. So many car thieves these days. You might find out where it is and come and steal it - We would not do that sir. We're a respectable company - Well, I can not know that for sure... - Aha. So, can you give us your address so we can come and have a look at it at your home then? - Heavens no! You might rob my house at night if I tell you where I live! - Oh well, I'm afraid we can't help you then, sir - WHAT!! WHY NOT! I'm only asking for help - But sir... - YOU ASSHOLES *click* And then there are these two conversations that took place in Dallas, Texas. Late 1999. First call: *ring* Hello, Joe's Car Service. How may I be of service? Ah yes, I need someone to pick up my Chevy Suburban at 1234 Anystreet, it won't start this morning. I'm taking a cab to work. Ok, sir. We'll take care of it. Goodbye. Second call: *ring* Hello, Joe's Car Service. How may I be of service? Hi, I called this morning about the Chevy Suburban. Did you have any luck with it?. Uh, sir. We thought you got it started and took it on to work. It wasn't there when we went to pick it up... CAUSE: Someone had tapped into the car shop's phone line and beat them to the address. 3 vehicles THAT DAY! Of course, after getting to the 3rd address and NO vehicle, they started getting suspicious. MORAL OF THE STORY: Don't EVER think it can't happen to you. I know, I know. You have to give out enough info to get help. But some people are a little more cautious than others. Remember, they DON'T know YOU. And with all the inflated news propaganda about the Internet and how people can steal you blind, we should at least understand someone's reluctance to just spill it all out in a public group. In any event, Robin's attack on these individuals accomplishes NOTHING. But then again, I'm sure that doesn't surprise anyone on this list.
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Bill Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know, I know. You have to give out enough info to get help. But some people are a little more cautious than others. Remember, they DON'T know YOU. And with all the inflated news propaganda about the Internet and how people can steal you blind, we should at least understand someone's reluctance to just spill it all out in a public group. Nope. If you're running a mail server, you should have enough technical knowledge to not be vulnerable to mass hysteria about technology. Otherwise, go back to your stone knives and raw mastodon meat. In any event, Robin's attack on these individuals accomplishes NOTHING. Sure it does; it gave me a well-needed chuckle in the middle of a rough day. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
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Bill Andersen writes: I know, I know. You have to give out enough info to get help. But some people are a little more cautious than others. Remember, they DON'T know YOU. And with all the inflated news propaganda about the Internet and how people can steal you blind, we should at least understand someone's reluctance to just spill it all out in a public group. Then don't ask a public mailing list for help. Instead, go to one of the suppliers of commercial support. How to know which is reliable? Watch this mailing list, and see who's been around longest (has the most established reputation to protect), and who supplies the most clueful answers. -- -russ nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | #exclude windows.h Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX |
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Charles Cazabon wrote: Bill Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know, I know. You have to give out enough info to get help. But some people are a little more cautious than others. Remember, they DON'T know YOU. And with all the inflated news propaganda about the Internet and how people can steal you blind, we should at least understand someone's reluctance to just spill it all out in a public group. Nope. If you're running a mail server, you should have enough technical knowledge to not be vulnerable to mass hysteria about technology. Otherwise, go back to your stone knives and raw mastodon meat. In any event, Robin's attack on these individuals accomplishes NOTHING. Sure it does; it gave me a well-needed chuckle in the middle of a rough day. indeed =) The more I see, the less I understand people... I mean, a guy come and asks for the impossible for free. Then, altough people want to help for free, they say they could not do the impossible, the guy gets pissed. Go figure daniduc Daniel Lobato Duclos - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.cybershark.net --- Stand for something, or you will fall for nothing. (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/pragmatic.html)
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On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 10:21:32AM -0500, Bill Andersen allegedly wrote: And then there are these two conversations that took place in Dallas, Texas. Late 1999. First call: *ring* Hello, Joe's Car Service. How may I be of service? Ah yes, I need someone to pick up my Chevy Suburban at 1234 Anystreet, it won't start this morning. I'm taking a cab to work. Ok, sir. We'll take care of it. Goodbye. Second call: *ring* Hello, Joe's Car Service. How may I be of service? Hi, I called this morning about the Chevy Suburban. Did you have any luck with it?. Uh, sir. We thought you got it started and took it on to work. It wasn't there when we went to pick it up... CAUSE: Someone had tapped into the car shop's phone line and beat them to the address. 3 vehicles THAT DAY! Of course, after getting to the 3rd address and NO vehicle, they started getting suspicious. MORAL OF THE STORY: Don't EVER think it can't happen to you. TRUE MORAL OF THE STORY: If you really really need to get your car started in a hurry, use a car thief. Regards.
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On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 12:11:00PM -0400, Russell Nelson allegedly wrote: How to know which is reliable? Watch this mailing list, and see who's been around longest (has the most established reputation to protect), and who's name begins with R. If you say so Russ. Heh heh.
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On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 06:26:03AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What the fuck else do you want from the guy? His passwords, IP range, hours of operation and social security number? He's asking for FREE ADVICE. No problem, but for CORRECT advice DETAILS are needed. If he needs secrecy or confidentiality, get a consultant to help under an NDA. What I find great about this list that there is an enormous amount of expertise and knowledge here. What I even find greater is that there is NO baby-sitting here. New users are welcome, but they are expected to *read* the FAQ and manual. are you male or female? Well, either way you are a little bitch! As they say: FOAD. -- Jurjen Oskam * http://www.stupendous.org/ for PGP key * Q265230 pro-life bombing bush hacker attack USA president 2600 decss assassinate nuclear strike terrorism gun control eta military disrupt economy encryption 3:12pm up 33 days, 15:55, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
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Charles Cazabon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Nope. If you're running a mail server, you should have enough technical knowledge to not be vulnerable to mass hysteria about technology. Otherwise, go back to your stone knives and raw mastodon meat. However, you are making the assumption the user wants to actually run a mail server. I've helped a few individuals that have no desire to commercially run a mail server. They simply want to set one up for their own use in order TO LEARN how it all works. Heck, my qmail box at my house only has 3 users. Me, my wife and my son. I thought it would be interesting to see if I could set up qmail and a Linux box at my house (on DSL) and host my own domain. I have no NEED for a mail server at my house. I've got an ISP that uses qmail that I could be using. I just wanted to learn. Hey, I got it working and learned a lot about Linux/qmail. That's the only way to get rid of my stone knives and raw meat! LEARN! Your philosophy says, if you're not technically knowledgeable, you have no business trying to learn how to use a mail server. How the heck do you become technically knowledgeable then? OK, maybe the way some people had to learn was by asking uneducated questions and then getting the shit kicked out of them for asking. I'm sure someone's father out there used that approach when they were a child. Maybe it's why they always do the same to other people... Bill
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Russell Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Then don't ask a public mailing list for help. Instead, go to one of the suppliers of commercial support. How to know which is reliable? Watch this mailing list, and see who's been around longest (has the most established reputation to protect), and who supplies the most clueful answers. Well put. Very much in the spirit of user supported software... Russ, I'm not saying they shouldn't give us the information needed to help them. I'm just of the opinion we shouldn't jump down every newbie's throat just because they are a little over cautious. Put yourself in their shoes. Imagine walking up to an Automated Teller Machine and seeing a guy, presumably a maintenance worker, adjusting the electronics. He says, The card reader and pad aren't working. Just give me your card and PIN number and I'll swipe it back here. Would YOU hand over your card? All he wants to do it help you, right? Think about it...
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* Bill Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010622 13:13]: Your philosophy says, if you're not technically knowledgeable, you have no business trying to learn how to use a mail server. How the heck do you become technically knowledgeable then? http://cr.yp.to/qmail.html And just for the record: , | http://cr.yp.to/lists.html | Please read FAQ, PIC.*, and the other documentation in the | qmail package before sending your question to the qmail mailing list. ` Not to mention http://qmail.org, as well as Dave's, Adam's and a lot of other people's contributed documentation. Which part of there are only very, very few things not already explained about qmail out there did you not understand?
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* Bill Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010622 13:22]: Russell Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Then don't ask a public mailing list for help. Instead, go to one of the suppliers of commercial support. How to know which is reliable? Watch this mailing list, and see who's been around longest (has the most established reputation to protect), and who supplies the most clueful answers. I'd buy your suport every day, Russel. And I mean it. Well put. Very much in the spirit of user supported software... May I kindly ask you to, like, get a life? Russel offers commercial support. He's contributing here *A LOT*. You, on the other hand, are a whining luser. Russ, I'm not saying they shouldn't give us the information needed to help them. I'm just of the opinion we shouldn't jump down every newbie's throat just because they are a little over cautious. What dictionary did you look cautious up in? Or are you referring to the OP's overly cautious use of the recommended reading aka FAQ? Put yourself in their shoes. Eh. That's what alt.rec.suicide is for. Imagine walking up to an Automated Teller Machine and seeing a guy, presumably a maintenance worker, adjusting the electronics. He says, The card reader and pad aren't working. Just give me your card and PIN number and I'll swipe it back here. , | Port State Service | 21/tcp openftp | 22/tcp openssh | 23/tcp opentelnet | 25/tcp opensmtp | 79/tcp openfinger | 80/tcp openhttp | 111/tcpfilteredsunrpc | 199/tcpopensmux | 443/tcpopenhttps | 512/tcpopenexec | 513/tcpopenlogin | 514/tcpopenshell | 515/tcpopenprinter | 3306/tcp openmysql | | TCP Sequence Prediction: Class=random positive increments | Difficulty=74755 (Worthy challenge) | Remote operating system guess: BSDI BSD/OS 3.0-3.1 (or possibly MacOS, NetBSD) ` Would you like me to tell you the programs and version numbers to go along with that, too, Sir? Would YOU hand over your card? https://mail.socha.net/about/ - happy cracking, luser. Do you need any help running nmap? All he wants to do it help you, right? Since putting them down is a non-op, yes. Think about it... Talking to yourself a lot, eh?
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Bill Andersen writes: Russ, I'm not saying they shouldn't give us the information needed to help them. I'm just of the opinion we shouldn't jump down every newbie's throat just because they are a little over cautious. We don't jump down every newbie's throat. Just every fifth one, to serve as an example to the rest. And then we put his head up on a spike. Like I said before: pick a reliable consultant from www.qmail.org. How to know which is reliable? Watch this mailing list, and see who's been around longest (has the most established reputation to protect), whose name begins with R, and when you've picked me, call 1-800-233-7351 with your credit card in hand. Operators are standing by! Call now! No, all MarkD's funning aside, I take *no* responsibility for the quality of the performance of people listed on www.qmail.org/top.html#paidsup, and I say so right there. You've got to have some way to figure out who knows what they're doing, and who's a turkey. If you know of a better method than reading postings to this mailing list, please 'fess up! -- -russ nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | #exclude windows.h Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX |
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Robin S. Socha writes: I'd buy your support any day, Russel. And I mean it. Once, just once I'd like to see people mis-spel my name as Rusell. Just once. Why does anybody think that a trailing 'L' is optiona? You don't ever see your name spelled Robi Socha, do you? Huh? Betcha don't, do ya? And it's not like my name wasn't properly quoted inside the message you responded two. And I don't want to hear any guff about English not being your native language not being English. This is not spelling, this is typing. There it was in all its glory, Russell, with both of it's deserved, earned, highly-decorated, and self-important L's. If you're not up to the task of spelling Russell today; if that's too many letters to type, you should feel free to spell it Russ. OP's overly cautious use of the recommended reading aka FAQ? And it's getting to the point where you don't even need English-language skills. We've got qmail documentation in Russian, Korean, Japanese, Spanish, Turkish, Italian, German, and now French. And except for the fact that all Indian computer techs can speak fluent English, you'd see Hindi documentation as well. Hrm. Rediff.com's Hindi page crashes Netscape. That's okay, Netscape crashes just by looking at it. Um, say, did you know that the Hindi word for colocation is colocation? Note to Chinese qmail users: you've got a billion people living in your country. Surely one of them can write some Chinese-language qmail documentation. Get on it. -- -russ nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | #exclude windows.h Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX |
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I'm sure someone's father out there used that approach when they were a child. Maybe it's why they always do the same to other people... Agree.. 1G % Kirti -Original Message- From: Bill Andersen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:55 AM To: Charles Cazabon; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: GHOSTS AND ASSHOLES Charles Cazabon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Nope. If you're running a mail server, you should have enough technical knowledge to not be vulnerable to mass hysteria about technology. Otherwise, go back to your stone knives and raw mastodon meat. However, you are making the assumption the user wants to actually run a mail server. I've helped a few individuals that have no desire to commercially run a mail server. They simply want to set one up for their own use in order TO LEARN how it all works. Heck, my qmail box at my house only has 3 users. Me, my wife and my son. I thought it would be interesting to see if I could set up qmail and a Linux box at my house (on DSL) and host my own domain. I have no NEED for a mail server at my house. I've got an ISP that uses qmail that I could be using. I just wanted to learn. Hey, I got it working and learned a lot about Linux/qmail. That's the only way to get rid of my stone knives and raw meat! LEARN! Your philosophy says, if you're not technically knowledgeable, you have no business trying to learn how to use a mail server. How the heck do you become technically knowledgeable then? OK, maybe the way some people had to learn was by asking uneducated questions and then getting the shit kicked out of them for asking. I'm sure someone's father out there used that approach when they were a child. Maybe it's why they always do the same to other people... Bill
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hey... is it ok if we only use Rus ;) j/k so Russell... thanks for all your input here at the list Terius PS: And just to make you happy : Rusell :D - Original Message - From: Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: qmai maiing ist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 1:09 PM Subject: Re: GHOSTS AND ASSHOLES Robin S. Socha writes: I'd buy your support any day, Russel. And I mean it. Once, just once I'd like to see people mis-spel my name as Rusell. Just once. Why does anybody think that a trailing 'L' is optiona? You don't ever see your name spelled Robi Socha, do you? Huh? Betcha don't, do ya? And it's not like my name wasn't properly quoted inside the message you responded two. And I don't want to hear any guff about English not being your native language not being English. This is not spelling, this is typing. There it was in all its glory, Russell, with both of it's deserved, earned, highly-decorated, and self-important L's. If you're not up to the task of spelling Russell today; if that's too many letters to type, you should feel free to spell it Russ. OP's overly cautious use of the recommended reading aka FAQ? And it's getting to the point where you don't even need English-language skills. We've got qmail documentation in Russian, Korean, Japanese, Spanish, Turkish, Italian, German, and now French. And except for the fact that all Indian computer techs can speak fluent English, you'd see Hindi documentation as well. Hrm. Rediff.com's Hindi page crashes Netscape. That's okay, Netscape crashes just by looking at it. Um, say, did you know that the Hindi word for colocation is colocation? Note to Chinese qmail users: you've got a billion people living in your country. Surely one of them can write some Chinese-language qmail documentation. Get on it. -- -russ nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | #exclude windows.h Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX |
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Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once, just once I'd like to see people mis-spel my name as Rusell. Just once. Why does anybody think that a trailing 'L' is optiona? Blame Randal Schwartz...or his parents. Or maybe this guy: http://www.absolutearts.com/portfolios/r/russram/ -Dave
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Ok now i am confused WTF is Robin? Male? Female? 86 Year Old Hermaphidite east Dallas Whore? Throw me a bone here please. Thanks Russell Russ Rus Russel or whatever it is for all your help. Jps
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Whoa,calm down there big guy, yer scaring me! Jeff Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. this was just a comment to lighten the mood. Please don't even reply to it (praises/flames not needed.) On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Russell Nelson wrote: Robin S. Socha writes: I'd buy your support any day, Russel. And I mean it. Once, just once I'd like to see people mis-spel my name as Rusell. Just once. Why does anybody think that a trailing 'L' is optiona? You don't ever see your name spelled Robi Socha, do you? Huh? Betcha don't, do ya? And it's not like my name wasn't properly quoted inside the message you responded two. And I don't want to hear any guff about English not being your native language not being English. This is not spelling, this is typing. There it was in all its glory, Russell, with both of it's deserved, earned, highly-decorated, and self-important L's. If you're not up to the task of spelling Russell today; if that's too many letters to type, you should feel free to spell it Russ. OP's overly cautious use of the recommended reading aka FAQ? And it's getting to the point where you don't even need English-language skills. We've got qmail documentation in Russian, Korean, Japanese, Spanish, Turkish, Italian, German, and now French. And except for the fact that all Indian computer techs can speak fluent English, you'd see Hindi documentation as well. Hrm. Rediff.com's Hindi page crashes Netscape. That's okay, Netscape crashes just by looking at it. Um, say, did you know that the Hindi word for colocation is colocation? Note to Chinese qmail users: you've got a billion people living in your country. Surely one of them can write some Chinese-language qmail documentation. Get on it. -- -russ nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | #exclude windows.h Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX |
