Re: Problem with VAR directory during install
Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I think I may have located the source of the trouble but it's still puzzling. Both the Life With Qmail and the Running qmail book want the /var/qmail directory created while logged in as root. Yes. It should also be mode 755. That gives ownership to the user root in the group root. Then, the qmail-specific groups and users are added. The problem is that when I run linuxconf and look at the created users, I receive a warning that the home directory of /var/qmail has an invalid owner and group. That can't be quite the right error message; perhaps more along the lines of these users (qmailq, qmails, etc) don't own their home directories (which are all set to /var/qmail)? Could this be the cause of my problems? No. It's a bogus error/warning -- there's nothing wrong with configuring the qmail users this way. I'm not exactly a newbie to file and directory permissions, but in reading all the qmail documentation I can lay my hands on I see nothing that indicates I need to change the ownership and group of /var/qmail from root/root. You don't. Nevertheless, linuxconf is whining and my compile goes nowhere, and this all smells like a permissions issue. I don't use linuxconf -- it simply makes too many mistakes like this, and then tries to correct the problems behind your back. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
Re: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install
The compile runs, but when it's all over with there is nothing in the /var/qmail directory to work with. -Steve Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've checked everything except the phase of the moon and my white blood cell count. I've probably memorized the docs by now. qmail will simply NOT compile correctly on the latest Mandrake. You said earlier that the problem was nothing ends up in /var/qmail/. Now you say it doesn't compile. Which is true? If it doesn't compile, you should expect anything to end up in /var/qmail/, because that's the setup (install) step, which comes after compiling is complete. If you want further help, please run the following script. Make sure qmail-1.03.tar.gz is in /usr/local/src/ first. Adjust the path to bash as necessary. This will do a vanilla compile install of unpatched qmail 1.03. #!/bin/bash ( mv /var/qmail /var/qmail.old rm -rf /usr/local/src/qmail-1.03 cd /usr/local/src gunzip -c qmail-1.03.tar.gz | tar -xf - qmail-1.03.tar.gz cd qmail-1.03 make setup check ) /tmp/qmail-setup-log.txt 21 Then post /tmp/qmail-setup-log.txt on the web somewhere, and send a URL to this list. We need to see all of the output of the build process, I think, to find what your problem is. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
RE: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install
so you ran make setup check and nothing was in /var/qmail ? -Original Message- From: Steve Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 4:47 PM To: Charles Cazabon; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install The compile runs, but when it's all over with there is nothing in the /var/qmail directory to work with. -Steve Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've checked everything except the phase of the moon and my white blood cell count. I've probably memorized the docs by now. qmail will simply NOT compile correctly on the latest Mandrake. You said earlier that the problem was nothing ends up in /var/qmail/. Now you say it doesn't compile. Which is true? If it doesn't compile, you should expect anything to end up in /var/qmail/, because that's the setup (install) step, which comes after compiling is complete. If you want further help, please run the following script. Make sure qmail-1.03.tar.gz is in /usr/local/src/ first. Adjust the path to bash as necessary. This will do a vanilla compile install of unpatched qmail 1.03. #!/bin/bash ( mv /var/qmail /var/qmail.old rm -rf /usr/local/src/qmail-1.03 cd /usr/local/src gunzip -c qmail-1.03.tar.gz | tar -xf - qmail-1.03.tar.gz cd qmail-1.03 make setup check ) /tmp/qmail-setup-log.txt 21 Then post /tmp/qmail-setup-log.txt on the web somewhere, and send a URL to this list. We need to see all of the output of the build process, I think, to find what your problem is. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
Re: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install
I'm running Mandrake 8.0. I'm Running Linux Mandrake 7.2 and actually have 6 seperate qmail installs running on that machine and have been running on it for over a year. The OS actually started out as Mandrake 7.0 then upgraded to 7.1 and then 7.2 and have not had any problems. Now I thought maybe it was the latest Mandrake you might be having problems with so I edited my files and installed a 7th qmail service on my machine and it compiled just fine. Then I deleted it and did it again.. Still compiled just fine.. I have no idea what is going on with your system but it is not an OS level issue unless there is something physically wrong with your OS installation itself I sugest doing a recopilation of the OS and try qmail again.. Side note I use the gz download of qmail not the RPM so if your using the RPM package ignore this message then ;) cheers --JT - Original Message - From: Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 1:47 PM Subject: Re: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install The compile runs, but when it's all over with there is nothing in the /var/qmail directory to work with. -Steve Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've checked everything except the phase of the moon and my white blood cell count. I've probably memorized the docs by now. qmail will simply NOT compile correctly on the latest Mandrake. You said earlier that the problem was nothing ends up in /var/qmail/. Now you say it doesn't compile. Which is true? If it doesn't compile, you should expect anything to end up in /var/qmail/, because that's the setup (install) step, which comes after compiling is complete. If you want further help, please run the following script. Make sure qmail-1.03.tar.gz is in /usr/local/src/ first. Adjust the path to bash as necessary. This will do a vanilla compile install of unpatched qmail 1.03. #!/bin/bash ( mv /var/qmail /var/qmail.old rm -rf /usr/local/src/qmail-1.03 cd /usr/local/src gunzip -c qmail-1.03.tar.gz | tar -xf - qmail-1.03.tar.gz cd qmail-1.03 make setup check ) /tmp/qmail-setup-log.txt 21 Then post /tmp/qmail-setup-log.txt on the web somewhere, and send a URL to this list. We need to see all of the output of the build process, I think, to find what your problem is. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
Re: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install
I have that on my workstation.. Give me a few as I don't have any mailer installed on it at all right now.. I'll copy the setup files over to it and give it a try and let ya know. I just built that workstation tuesday and have not had time to do anything on it so it is as basic and completely void as you can get I dare say. --JT - Original Message - From: Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: System Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 2:46 PM Subject: Re: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install I'm running Mandrake 8.0. I'm Running Linux Mandrake 7.2 and actually have 6 seperate qmail installs running on that machine and have been running on it for over a year. The OS actually started out as Mandrake 7.0 then upgraded to 7.1 and then 7.2 and have not had any problems. Now I thought maybe it was the latest Mandrake you might be having problems with so I edited my files and installed a 7th qmail service on my machine and it compiled just fine. Then I deleted it and did it again.. Still compiled just fine.. I have no idea what is going on with your system but it is not an OS level issue unless there is something physically wrong with your OS installation itself I sugest doing a recopilation of the OS and try qmail again.. Side note I use the gz download of qmail not the RPM so if your using the RPM package ignore this message then ;) cheers --JT - Original Message - From: Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 1:47 PM Subject: Re: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install The compile runs, but when it's all over with there is nothing in the /var/qmail directory to work with. -Steve Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've checked everything except the phase of the moon and my white blood cell count. I've probably memorized the docs by now. qmail will simply NOT compile correctly on the latest Mandrake. You said earlier that the problem was nothing ends up in /var/qmail/. Now you say it doesn't compile. Which is true? If it doesn't compile, you should expect anything to end up in /var/qmail/, because that's the setup (install) step, which comes after compiling is complete. If you want further help, please run the following script. Make sure qmail-1.03.tar.gz is in /usr/local/src/ first. Adjust the path to bash as necessary. This will do a vanilla compile install of unpatched qmail 1.03. #!/bin/bash ( mv /var/qmail /var/qmail.old rm -rf /usr/local/src/qmail-1.03 cd /usr/local/src gunzip -c qmail-1.03.tar.gz | tar -xf - qmail-1.03.tar.gz cd qmail-1.03 make setup check ) /tmp/qmail-setup-log.txt 21 Then post /tmp/qmail-setup-log.txt on the web somewhere, and send a URL to this list. We need to see all of the output of the build process, I think, to find what your problem is. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
Re: Problem with VAR directory during install
Thanks. In the meantime, I'm almost finished downloading the very latest ISOs for Mandrake 8 (dated 6-19). I'll reload the box and try again. I have that on my workstation.. Give me a few as I don't have any mailer installed on it at all right now.. I'll copy the setup files over to it and give it a try and let ya know. I just built that workstation tuesday and have not had time to do anything on it so it is as basic and completely void as you can get I dare say. --JT - Original Message - From: Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: System Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 2:46 PM Subject: Re: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install I'm running Mandrake 8.0. I'm Running Linux Mandrake 7.2 and actually have 6 seperate qmail installs running on that machine and have been running on it for over a year. The OS actually started out as Mandrake 7.0 then upgraded to 7.1 and then 7.2 and have not had any problems. Now I thought maybe it was the latest Mandrake you might be having problems with so I edited my files and installed a 7th qmail service on my machine and it compiled just fine. Then I deleted it and did it again.. Still compiled just fine.. I have no idea what is going on with your system but it is not an OS level issue unless there is something physically wrong with your OS installation itself I sugest doing a recopilation of the OS and try qmail again.. Side note I use the gz download of qmail not the RPM so if your using the RPM package ignore this message then ;) cheers --JT - Original Message - From: Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 1:47 PM Subject: Re: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install The compile runs, but when it's all over with there is nothing in the /var/qmail directory to work with. -Steve Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've checked everything except the phase of the moon and my white blood cell count. I've probably memorized the docs by now. qmail will simply NOT compile correctly on the latest Mandrake. You said earlier that the problem was nothing ends up in /var/qmail/. Now you say it doesn't compile. Which is true? If it doesn't compile, you should expect anything to end up in /var/qmail/, because that's the setup (install) step, which comes after compiling is complete. If you want further help, please run the following script. Make sure qmail-1.03.tar.gz is in /usr/local/src/ first. Adjust the path to bash as necessary. This will do a vanilla compile install of unpatched qmail 1.03. #!/bin/bash ( mv /var/qmail /var/qmail.old rm -rf /usr/local/src/qmail-1.03 cd /usr/local/src gunzip -c qmail-1.03.tar.gz | tar -xf - qmail- 1.03.tar.gz cd qmail-1.03 make setup check ) /tmp/qmail-setup-log.txt 21 Then post /tmp/qmail-setup-log.txt on the web somewhere, and send a URL to this list. We need to see all of the output of the build process, I think, to find what your problem is. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
Re: Problem with VAR directory during install
1) So, no one knows of any definitive ownership rules for all of qmail? 2) Why is it ok for /var/qmail to be owned by root:root? From: pop corn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Problem with VAR directory during install Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:20:25 - I have the same question about ownership/permissions for all of /var/qmail directories and files. I made some changes manually, but am very uncomfortable with my current settings. When I first got into qmail, I thought that making the custom qmail accounts were part of making it bulletproof, but there doesn't seem to be much requirement to keep things from being owned by root. $ cd /var/qmail $ ls -las total 68 4 drwxr-xr-x 12 aliasnofiles 4096 4 drwxr-xr-x 18 root root 4096 4 -rw-r--r--1 qmails qmail 24 .bash_logout 4 -rw-r--r--1 qmails qmail 230 .bash_profile 4 -rw-r--r--1 qmails qmail 124 .bashrc 4 drwxr-sr-x2 aliasnofiles 4096 alias 4 drwxr-xr-x2 root qmail4096 bin 4 drwxr-xr-x2 root qmail4096 boot 4 drwxr-xr-x2 root qmail4096 control 4 drwxr-xr-x2 root qmail4096 doc 4 drwxr-xr-x6 root root 4096 log 4 drwxr-xr-x 10 root qmail4096 man 4 drwxr-x--- 11 qmailq qmail4096 queue 4 -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 212 rc 4 drwxr-xr-x6 root root 4096 supervise 4 drwxr-xr-x2 root qmail4096 users $ ls -las supervise total 24 4 drwxr-xr-x6 root root 4096 4 drwxr-xr-x 12 aliasnofiles 4096 4 drwxr-xr-t4 root root 4096 courier-imap 4 drwxr-xr-t4 root root 4096 qmail-pop3d 4 drwxr-xr-t4 root root 4096 qmail-send 4 drwxr-xr-t4 root root 4096 qmail-smtpd $ $ ls -las /service total 8 4 drwxr-xr-x2 root root 4096 4 drwxr-xr-x 18 root root 4096 0 lrwxrwxrwx1 root root 34 courier-imap - /var/qmail/supervise/courier-imap 0 lrwxrwxrwx1 root root 33 qmail-pop3d - /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-pop3d 0 lrwxrwxrwx1 root root 32 qmail-send - /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send 0 lrwxrwxrwx1 root root 33 qmail-smtpd - /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-smtpd From: Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Yvette 'Tina' Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Problem with VAR directory during install Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:37:05 -0400 Excuse me while I go bang my head against the wall. OK, there now that that's over withhas anyone else had trouble installing qmail on Mandrake 8? I'm following the instructions to the letter and the darn thing won't install. I'd much rather find the reason for it and fix it than install an older version of the operating system, which can present other issues. -Steve I am also new at this and the first thing I had to do was stop using linuxconf. Linuxconf seems to have a mind of its own and it will regularly change ownership based on its own set of rules. BTW, I don't know exactly why. The second thing I did was rebuild my machine with Mandrake 7.2 (from 8.0) I had all kinds of trouble with mandrake 8 in all different apps. So far with mandrake 7.2 back online all my installs have been clean. I use the command line mostly and webmin to look at users and groups... Tina --- Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I think I may have located the source of the trouble but it's still puzzling. Both the Life With Qmail and the Running qmail book want the /var/qmail directory created while logged in as root. That gives ownership to the user root in the group root. Then, the qmail-specific groups and users are added. The problem is that when I run linuxconf and look at the created users, I receive a warning that the home directory of /var/qmail has an invalid owner and group. Could this be the cause of my problems? I'm not exactly a newbie to file and directory permissions, but in reading all the qmail documentation I can lay my hands on I see nothing that indicates I need to change the ownership and group of /var/qmail from root/root. Nevertheless, linuxconf is whining and my compile goes nowhere, and this all smells like a permissions issue. I'm running Mandrake 8. Thanks for your patient help. Steve. On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 02:43:15PM +1200, Steve Reed wrote: So, I'm stumped. Why is config (or config-fast) unhappy? Because it's expecting dirs and stuff in /var/qmail that aren't there. Run strings - install | grep / and look for a fully- qualified path (ie. starting with a slash) that doesn't look system-related. In your
Re: RE: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install
Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The compile does run. But when it's over with the /var/qmail directory is as empty as the bottom of a dry well. The only proof that the compile and install goes correctly is your word -- and since nothing ends up in /var/qmail, obviously that's incorrect. The last time you said this, I requested you post a copmlete log of the make setup check procedure so we could see it. You've ignored that, twice. No one can help you without that information. If you don't want to post that information to the list (or put it on a web server and post the URL), hire a qmail consultant to fix it for you. The list can't be of any help if you won't give us the information we need. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
Re: RE: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install
I sincerely apologize for overlooking your request for the setup log. Will recompile now and post one. -Steve Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The compile does run. But when it's over with the /var/qmail directory is as empty as the bottom of a dry well. The only proof that the compile and install goes correctly is your word -- and since nothing ends up in /var/qmail, obviously that's incorrect. The last time you said this, I requested you post a copmlete log of the make setup check procedure so we could see it. You've ignored that, twice. No one can help you without that information. If you don't want to post that information to the list (or put it on a web server and post the URL), hire a qmail consultant to fix it for you. The list can't be of any help if you won't give us the information we need. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
Re: RE: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install
Sorry Charles, I believe he got distracted by me.. I'm the one with the Mandrake 8 box that it is working on and we were communicating via email and not the list.. So the reason why he hasn't gotten to it yet was because of me.. Anyways, he's done everything I have done and he is still having the problem. I just asked him to do what you mentioned and hopefully he will do it soon as I really want to see whats up with this. Question though.. I've been told it makes no difference but I always (for the past year anyways) install qmail using 'make setup check' then 'make setup' People have told me this is repetitve but thats the way I do it (shrug) Question now is just for clarification with this problem.. Does it make a diff or not? --JT - Original Message - From: Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 4:41 PM Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The compile does run. But when it's over with the /var/qmail directory is as empty as the bottom of a dry well. The only proof that the compile and install goes correctly is your word -- and since nothing ends up in /var/qmail, obviously that's incorrect. The last time you said this, I requested you post a copmlete log of the make setup check procedure so we could see it. You've ignored that, twice. No one can help you without that information. If you don't want to post that information to the list (or put it on a web server and post the URL), hire a qmail consultant to fix it for you. The list can't be of any help if you won't give us the information we need. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
Re: RE: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install
OK, the text file is attached with what occurs during the make setup check. -Steve [root@mail root]# cd /usr/local/src/qmail-1.03 [root@mail qmail-1.03]# make setup check ( cat warn-auto.sh; \ echo CC=\'`head -1 conf-cc`\'; \ echo LD=\'`head -1 conf-ld`\' \ ) auto-ccld.sh cat auto-ccld.sh make-load.sh make-load chmod 755 make-load cat auto-ccld.sh find-systype.sh find-systype chmod 755 find-systype ./find-systype systype ( cat warn-auto.sh; ./make-load `cat systype` ) load chmod 755 load cat auto-ccld.sh make-compile.sh make-compile chmod 755 make-compile ( cat warn-auto.sh; ./make-compile `cat systype` ) \ compile chmod 755 compile ( ( ./compile tryvfork.c ./load tryvfork ) /dev/null \ 21 \ cat fork.h2 || cat fork.h1 ) fork.h rm -f tryvfork.o tryvfork ./compile qmail-local.c qmail-local.c: In function `main': qmail-local.c:448: warning: return type of `main' is not `int' ./compile qmail.c ./compile quote.c ./compile now.c ./compile gfrom.c ./compile myctime.c ./compile slurpclose.c cat auto-ccld.sh make-makelib.sh make-makelib chmod 755 make-makelib ( cat warn-auto.sh; ./make-makelib `cat systype` ) \ makelib chmod 755 makelib ./compile case_diffb.c ./compile case_diffs.c ./compile case_lowerb.c ./compile case_lowers.c ./compile case_starts.c ./makelib case.a case_diffb.o case_diffs.o case_lowerb.o \ case_lowers.o case_starts.o ./compile getln.c ./compile getln2.c ./makelib getln.a getln.o getln2.o ./compile subgetopt.c ./compile sgetopt.c ./makelib getopt.a subgetopt.o sgetopt.o ./compile sig_alarm.c ( ( ./compile trysgprm.c ./load trysgprm ) /dev/null \ 21 \ echo \#define HASSIGPROCMASK 1 || exit 0 ) hassgprm.h rm -f trysgprm.o trysgprm ./compile sig_block.c ( ( ./compile trysgact.c ./load trysgact ) /dev/null \ 21 \ echo \#define HASSIGACTION 1 || exit 0 ) hassgact.h rm -f trysgact.o trysgact ./compile sig_catch.c ./compile sig_pause.c ./compile sig_pipe.c ./compile sig_child.c ./compile sig_hup.c ./compile sig_term.c ./compile sig_bug.c ./compile sig_misc.c ./makelib sig.a sig_alarm.o sig_block.o sig_catch.o \ sig_pause.o sig_pipe.o sig_child.o sig_hup.o sig_term.o \ sig_bug.o sig_misc.o ./compile open_append.c ./compile open_excl.c ./compile open_read.c ./compile open_trunc.c ./compile open_write.c ./makelib open.a open_append.o open_excl.o open_read.o \ open_trunc.o open_write.o ./compile seek_cur.c ./compile seek_end.c ./compile seek_set.c ./compile seek_trunc.c ./makelib seek.a seek_cur.o seek_end.o seek_set.o \ seek_trunc.o ( ( ./compile tryflock.c ./load tryflock ) /dev/null \ 21 \ echo \#define HASFLOCK 1 || exit 0 ) hasflock.h rm -f tryflock.o tryflock ./compile lock_ex.c ./compile lock_exnb.c ./compile lock_un.c ./makelib lock.a lock_ex.o lock_exnb.o lock_un.o ./compile fd_copy.c ./compile fd_move.c ./makelib fd.a fd_copy.o fd_move.o ( ( ./compile trywaitp.c ./load trywaitp ) /dev/null \ 21 \ echo \#define HASWAITPID 1 || exit 0 ) haswaitp.h rm -f trywaitp.o trywaitp ./compile wait_pid.c ./compile wait_nohang.c ./makelib wait.a wait_pid.o wait_nohang.o ./compile env.c ./compile envread.c ./makelib env.a env.o envread.o ./compile stralloc_eady.c ./compile stralloc_pend.c ./compile stralloc_copy.c ./compile stralloc_opys.c ./compile stralloc_opyb.c ./compile stralloc_cat.c ./compile stralloc_cats.c ./compile stralloc_catb.c ./compile stralloc_arts.c ./makelib stralloc.a stralloc_eady.o stralloc_pend.o \ stralloc_copy.o stralloc_opys.o stralloc_opyb.o \ stralloc_cat.o stralloc_cats.o stralloc_catb.o \ stralloc_arts.o ./compile alloc.c ./compile alloc_re.c ./makelib alloc.a alloc.o alloc_re.o ./compile strerr_sys.c ./compile strerr_die.c ./makelib strerr.a strerr_sys.o strerr_die.o ./compile substdio.c ./compile substdi.c ./compile substdo.c ./compile subfderr.c ./compile subfdout.c ./compile subfdouts.c ./compile subfdin.c ./compile subfdins.c ./compile substdio_copy.c ./makelib substdio.a substdio.o substdi.o substdo.o \ subfderr.o subfdout.o subfdouts.o subfdin.o subfdins.o \ substdio_copy.o ./compile error.c ./compile error_str.c ./compile error_temp.c ./makelib error.a error.o error_str.o error_temp.o ./compile str_len.c ./compile str_diff.c ./compile str_diffn.c ./compile str_cpy.c ./compile str_chr.c ./compile str_rchr.c ./compile str_start.c ./compile byte_chr.c ./compile byte_rchr.c ./compile byte_diff.c ./compile byte_copy.c ./compile byte_cr.c ./compile byte_zero.c ./makelib str.a str_len.o str_diff.o str_diffn.o str_cpy.o \ str_chr.o str_rchr.o str_start.o byte_chr.o byte_rchr.o \ byte_diff.o byte_copy.o byte_cr.o byte_zero.o ./compile fmt_str.c ./compile fmt_strn.c ./compile fmt_uint.c ./compile fmt_uint0.c ./compile fmt_ulong.c ./compile scan_ulong.c ./compile scan_8long.c ./makelib fs.a fmt_str.o fmt_strn.o fmt_uint.o fmt_uint0.o \ fmt_ulong.o scan_ulong.o scan_8long.o ./compile datetime.c ./compile datetime_un.c ./makelib datetime.a datetime.o datetime_un.o ./compile auto-str.c auto-str.c: In function `main': auto-str.c:15: warning: return type of
Re: RE: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install
Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, the text file is attached with what occurs during the make setup check. [...] chmod 755 binm3+df nroff -man qmail-local.8 qmail-local.0 /bin/sh: nroff: command not found make: *** [qmail-local.0] Error 127 [root@mail qmail-1.03]# And there's your problem -- no roff, so make broke before getting to the installation step. Install roff/nroff and try again. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
Re: RE: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install
James Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the reason why he hasn't gotten to it yet was because of me.. Anyways, he's done everything I have done and he is still having the problem. That's okay. Looks like a simple problem; he was missing a tool (nroff), so the make couldn't complete. I've been told it makes no difference but I always (for the past year anyways) install qmail using 'make setup check' then 'make setup' People have told me this is repetitve but thats the way I do it (shrug) Question now is just for clarification with this problem.. Does it make a diff or not? It shouldn't make a difference. When you do make setup check it's like doing make setup followed by make check. Running make setup again when it's done should just exit with nothing to do or a similar message from make, as none of the files which are dependencies for the targets have changed. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
Re: RE: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install
Installed Groff and all is well now. Criminy! Mandrake 8.0 apparently doesn't install Groff as part of the load. I RPM'd it in and all is fine. The beer is on me tonight. -Steve James Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the reason why he hasn't gotten to it yet was because of me.. Anyways, he's done everything I have done and he is still having the problem. That's okay. Looks like a simple problem; he was missing a tool (nroff), so the make couldn't complete. I've been told it makes no difference but I always (for the past year anyways) install qmail using 'make setup check' then 'make setup' People have told me this is repetitve but thats the way I do it (shrug) Question now is just for clarification with this problem.. Does it make a diff or not? It shouldn't make a difference. When you do make setup check it's like doing make setup followed by make check. Running make setup again when it's done should just exit with nothing to do or a similar message from make, as none of the files which are dependencies for the targets have changed. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
Re: RE: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install
Nod, I saw that I commented back to him also ... nroff I believe is part of a standard install although I don't have any standard machines here anymore (sigh) but at anyrate I sent him the man page so he could research it further. And yes it always exits out with 'nothing to do.' but thats when I know it will work and it always does so it's just a habit of mine now... Laugh --JT - Original Message - From: Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 6:04 PM Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install James Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the reason why he hasn't gotten to it yet was because of me.. Anyways, he's done everything I have done and he is still having the problem. That's okay. Looks like a simple problem; he was missing a tool (nroff), so the make couldn't complete. I've been told it makes no difference but I always (for the past year anyways) install qmail using 'make setup check' then 'make setup' People have told me this is repetitve but thats the way I do it (shrug) Question now is just for clarification with this problem.. Does it make a diff or not? It shouldn't make a difference. When you do make setup check it's like doing make setup followed by make check. Running make setup again when it's done should just exit with nothing to do or a similar message from make, as none of the files which are dependencies for the targets have changed. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
Re: Problem with VAR directory during install
On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 02:43:15PM +1200, Steve Reed wrote: So, I'm stumped. Why is config (or config-fast) unhappy? Because it's expecting dirs and stuff in /var/qmail that aren't there. Run strings - install | grep / and look for a fully-qualified path (ie. starting with a slash) that doesn't look system-related. In your case, since you didn't change conf-qmail, you should see /var/qmail. If you see something else instead, that's where all your qmail stuff got installed -- all you gotta do is figure out why it went there. 8-) - Adrian
Re: Problem with VAR directory during install
Well I think I may have located the source of the trouble but it's still puzzling. Both the Life With Qmail and the Running qmail book want the /var/qmail directory created while logged in as root. That gives ownership to the user root in the group root. Then, the qmail-specific groups and users are added. The problem is that when I run linuxconf and look at the created users, I receive a warning that the home directory of /var/qmail has an invalid owner and group. Could this be the cause of my problems? I'm not exactly a newbie to file and directory permissions, but in reading all the qmail documentation I can lay my hands on I see nothing that indicates I need to change the ownership and group of /var/qmail from root/root. Nevertheless, linuxconf is whining and my compile goes nowhere, and this all smells like a permissions issue. I'm running Mandrake 8. Thanks for your patient help. Steve. On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 02:43:15PM +1200, Steve Reed wrote: So, I'm stumped. Why is config (or config-fast) unhappy? Because it's expecting dirs and stuff in /var/qmail that aren't there. Run strings - install | grep / and look for a fully- qualified path (ie. starting with a slash) that doesn't look system-related. In your case, since you didn't change conf-qmail, you should see /var/qmail. If you see something else instead, that's where all your qmail stuff got installed -- all you gotta do is figure out why it went there. 8-) - Adrian
Re: Problem with VAR directory during install
Excuse me while I go bang my head against the wall. OK, there now that that's over withhas anyone else had trouble installing qmail on Mandrake 8? I'm following the instructions to the letter and the darn thing won't install. I'd much rather find the reason for it and fix it than install an older version of the operating system, which can present other issues. -Steve I am also new at this and the first thing I had to do was stop using linuxconf. Linuxconf seems to have a mind of its own and it will regularly change ownership based on its own set of rules. BTW, I don't know exactly why. The second thing I did was rebuild my machine with Mandrake 7.2 (from 8.0) I had all kinds of trouble with mandrake 8 in all different apps. So far with mandrake 7.2 back online all my installs have been clean. I use the command line mostly and webmin to look at users and groups... Tina --- Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I think I may have located the source of the trouble but it's still puzzling. Both the Life With Qmail and the Running qmail book want the /var/qmail directory created while logged in as root. That gives ownership to the user root in the group root. Then, the qmail-specific groups and users are added. The problem is that when I run linuxconf and look at the created users, I receive a warning that the home directory of /var/qmail has an invalid owner and group. Could this be the cause of my problems? I'm not exactly a newbie to file and directory permissions, but in reading all the qmail documentation I can lay my hands on I see nothing that indicates I need to change the ownership and group of /var/qmail from root/root. Nevertheless, linuxconf is whining and my compile goes nowhere, and this all smells like a permissions issue. I'm running Mandrake 8. Thanks for your patient help. Steve. On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 02:43:15PM +1200, Steve Reed wrote: So, I'm stumped. Why is config (or config-fast) unhappy? Because it's expecting dirs and stuff in /var/qmail that aren't there. Run strings - install | grep / and look for a fully- qualified path (ie. starting with a slash) that doesn't look system-related. In your case, since you didn't change conf-qmail, you should see /var/qmail. If you see something else instead, that's where all your qmail stuff got installed -- all you gotta do is figure out why it went there. 8-) - Adrian __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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Hi, I installed Mandrake using the 2 CDs, the latest distro (downloaded the ISOs and burned the CDs). It seemed to install perfectly fine. I want to use qmail because it seems to have the best reputation. Mandrake comes with Postfix, which I chose to not install. From what I've read online, Postfix isn't exactly a top choice. Steve Did you use one CD for the mandrake 8 install or the two CD? Mandrake 8 really went out the door with issues. I would use RH7.1 or Mandrake 7.1 I have installed qmail fine on both. Mandrake 8 has some bad code in the CD -- also, Mandrake can be made secure as a server, but it installs a lot of client-side crap. sorry if that doesn't help, davidu -Original Message- From: Steve Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:37 PM To: Yvette 'Tina' Martinez Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Problem with VAR directory during install Excuse me while I go bang my head against the wall. OK, there now that that's over withhas anyone else had trouble installing qmail on Mandrake 8? I'm following the instructions to the letter and the darn thing won't install. I'd much rather find the reason for it and fix it than install an older version of the operating system, which can present other issues. -Steve I am also new at this and the first thing I had to do was stop using linuxconf. Linuxconf seems to have a mind of its own and it will regularly change ownership based on its own set of rules. BTW, I don't know exactly why. The second thing I did was rebuild my machine with Mandrake 7.2 (from 8.0) I had all kinds of trouble with mandrake 8 in all different apps. So far with mandrake 7.2 back online all my installs have been clean. I use the command line mostly and webmin to look at users and groups... Tina --- Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I think I may have located the source of the trouble but it's still puzzling. Both the Life With Qmail and the Running qmail book want the /var/qmail directory created while logged in as root. That gives ownership to the user root in the group root. Then, the qmail-specific groups and users are added. The problem is that when I run linuxconf and look at the created users, I receive a warning that the home directory of /var/qmail has an invalid owner and group. Could this be the cause of my problems? I'm not exactly a newbie to file and directory permissions, but in reading all the qmail documentation I can lay my hands on I see nothing that indicates I need to change the ownership and group of /var/qmail from root/root. Nevertheless, linuxconf is whining and my compile goes nowhere, and this all smells like a permissions issue. I'm running Mandrake 8. Thanks for your patient help. Steve. On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 02:43:15PM +1200, Steve Reed wrote: So, I'm stumped. Why is config (or config-fast) unhappy? Because it's expecting dirs and stuff in /var/qmail that aren't there. Run strings - install | grep / and look for a fully- qualified path (ie. starting with a slash) that doesn't look system-related. In your case, since you didn't change conf-qmail, you should see /var/qmail. If you see something else instead, that's where all your qmail stuff got installed -- all you gotta do is figure out why it went there. 8-) - Adrian __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install
Just for the sake of argument I have a Mandrake 8 machine that runs qmail fine with the directions from LWQ I also have a Mandrake Cooker machine (pre8.1) that I installed qmail fine. Nothing wierd, just word for word from LWQ. Still I prefer debian but this was for a friend who likes the ease of Mandrake, and true enough its pretty simple. -Original Message- From: Steve Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 8:24 PM To: David U. Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install Hi, I installed Mandrake using the 2 CDs, the latest distro (downloaded the ISOs and burned the CDs). It seemed to install perfectly fine. I want to use qmail because it seems to have the best reputation. Mandrake comes with Postfix, which I chose to not install. From what I've read online, Postfix isn't exactly a top choice. Steve Did you use one CD for the mandrake 8 install or the two CD? Mandrake 8 really went out the door with issues. I would use RH7.1 or Mandrake 7.1 I have installed qmail fine on both. Mandrake 8 has some bad code in the CD -- also, Mandrake can be made secure as a server, but it installs a lot of client-side crap. sorry if that doesn't help, davidu -Original Message- From: Steve Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:37 PM To: Yvette 'Tina' Martinez Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Problem with VAR directory during install Excuse me while I go bang my head against the wall. OK, there now that that's over withhas anyone else had trouble installing qmail on Mandrake 8? I'm following the instructions to the letter and the darn thing won't install. I'd much rather find the reason for it and fix it than install an older version of the operating system, which can present other issues. -Steve I am also new at this and the first thing I had to do was stop using linuxconf. Linuxconf seems to have a mind of its own and it will regularly change ownership based on its own set of rules. BTW, I don't know exactly why. The second thing I did was rebuild my machine with Mandrake 7.2 (from 8.0) I had all kinds of trouble with mandrake 8 in all different apps. So far with mandrake 7.2 back online all my installs have been clean. I use the command line mostly and webmin to look at users and groups... Tina --- Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I think I may have located the source of the trouble but it's still puzzling. Both the Life With Qmail and the Running qmail book want the /var/qmail directory created while logged in as root. That gives ownership to the user root in the group root. Then, the qmail-specific groups and users are added. The problem is that when I run linuxconf and look at the created users, I receive a warning that the home directory of /var/qmail has an invalid owner and group. Could this be the cause of my problems? I'm not exactly a newbie to file and directory permissions, but in reading all the qmail documentation I can lay my hands on I see nothing that indicates I need to change the ownership and group of /var/qmail from root/root. Nevertheless, linuxconf is whining and my compile goes nowhere, and this all smells like a permissions issue. I'm running Mandrake 8. Thanks for your patient help. Steve. On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 02:43:15PM +1200, Steve Reed wrote: So, I'm stumped. Why is config (or config-fast) unhappy? Because it's expecting dirs and stuff in /var/qmail that aren't there. Run strings - install | grep / and look for a fully- qualified path (ie. starting with a slash) that doesn't look system-related. In your case, since you didn't change conf-qmail, you should see /var/qmail. If you see something else instead, that's where all your qmail stuff got installed -- all you gotta do is figure out why it went there. 8-) - Adrian __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install
Well I guess that kind of puts the nail in the coffin. Mandrake is supposed to be a top-notch distro - too bad they barfed all over version 8. I'll go snag the 7.2 ISOs and start all over again. Good thing, this mailing list! -Steve I downloaded the ISO's and burned CDS for 7.2. I purchased the cd for 8.0 and installed from it. I chose qmail because of its reputation as well as the availability of add-ons. For example there is a good free webmail program I got from inter7 which supports virtual hosts and webmin has a module to support remote admin. I couldn't install my firewall under 8 and ximian gnome upgrade install was also not supported I couldn't get daemontools to compile without errors either. I gave up spending so much time trying to figure out what was wrong and went back to 7.2 T. --- Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I installed Mandrake using the 2 CDs, the latest distro (downloaded the ISOs and burned the CDs). It seemed to install perfectly fine. I want to use qmail because it seems to have the best reputation. Mandrake comes with Postfix, which I chose to not install. From what I've read online, Postfix isn't exactly a top choice. Steve Did you use one CD for the mandrake 8 install or the two CD? Mandrake 8 really went out the door with issues. I would use RH7.1 or Mandrake 7.1 I have installed qmail fine on both. Mandrake 8 has some bad code in the CD -- also, Mandrake can be made secure as a server, but it installs a lot of client-side crap. sorry if that doesn't help, davidu -Original Message- From: Steve Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:37 PM To: Yvette 'Tina' Martinez Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Problem with VAR directory during install Excuse me while I go bang my head against the wall. OK, there now that that's over withhas anyone else had trouble installing qmail on Mandrake 8? I'm following the instructions to the letter and the darn thing won't install. I'd much rather find the reason for it and fix it than install an older version of the operating system, which can present other issues. -Steve I am also new at this and the first thing I had to do was stop using linuxconf. Linuxconf seems to have a mind of its own and it will regularly change ownership based on its own set of rules. BTW, I don't know exactly why. The second thing I did was rebuild my machine with Mandrake 7.2 (from 8.0) I had all kinds of trouble with mandrake 8 in all different apps. So far with mandrake 7.2 back online all my installs have been clean. I use the command line mostly and webmin to look at users and groups... Tina --- Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I think I may have located the source of the trouble but it's still puzzling. Both the Life With Qmail and the Running qmail book want the /var/qmail directory created while logged in as root. That gives ownership to the user root in the group root. Then, the qmail-specific groups and users are added. The problem is that when I run linuxconf and look at the created users, I receive a warning that the home directory of /var/qmail has an invalid owner and group. Could this be the cause of my problems? I'm not exactly a newbie to file and directory permissions, but in reading all the qmail documentation I can lay my hands on I see nothing that indicates I need to change the ownership and group of /var/qmail from root/root. Nevertheless, linuxconf is whining and my compile goes nowhere, and this all smells like a permissions issue. I'm running Mandrake 8. Thanks for your patient help. Steve. On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 02:43:15PM +1200, Steve Reed wrote: So, I'm stumped. Why is config (or config-fast) unhappy? Because it's expecting dirs and stuff in /var/qmail that aren't there. Run strings - install | grep / and look for a fully- qualified path (ie. starting with a slash) that doesn't look system-related. In your case, since you didn't change conf-qmail, you should see /var/qmail. If you see something else instead, that's where all your qmail stuff got installed -- all you gotta do is figure out why it went there. 8-) - Adrian __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com
Re: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install
Well I guess that kind of puts the nail in the coffin. Mandrake is supposed to be a top-notch distro - too bad they barfed all over version 8. I'll go snag the 7.2 ISOs and start all over again. Good thing, this mailing list! -Steve I downloaded the ISO's and burned CDS for 7.2. I purchased the cd for 8.0 and installed from it. I chose qmail because of its reputation as well as the availability of add-ons. For example there is a good free webmail program I got from inter7 which supports virtual hosts and webmin has a module to support remote admin. I couldn't install my firewall under 8 and ximian gnome upgrade install was also not supported I couldn't get daemontools to compile without errors either. I gave up spending so much time trying to figure out what was wrong and went back to 7.2 T. --- Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I installed Mandrake using the 2 CDs, the latest distro (downloaded the ISOs and burned the CDs). It seemed to install perfectly fine. I want to use qmail because it seems to have the best reputation. Mandrake comes with Postfix, which I chose to not install. From what I've read online, Postfix isn't exactly a top choice. Steve Did you use one CD for the mandrake 8 install or the two CD? Mandrake 8 really went out the door with issues. I would use RH7.1 or Mandrake 7.1 I have installed qmail fine on both. Mandrake 8 has some bad code in the CD -- also, Mandrake can be made secure as a server, but it installs a lot of client-side crap. sorry if that doesn't help, davidu -Original Message- From: Steve Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:37 PM To: Yvette 'Tina' Martinez Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Problem with VAR directory during install Excuse me while I go bang my head against the wall. OK, there now that that's over withhas anyone else had trouble installing qmail on Mandrake 8? I'm following the instructions to the letter and the darn thing won't install. I'd much rather find the reason for it and fix it than install an older version of the operating system, which can present other issues. -Steve I am also new at this and the first thing I had to do was stop using linuxconf. Linuxconf seems to have a mind of its own and it will regularly change ownership based on its own set of rules. BTW, I don't know exactly why. The second thing I did was rebuild my machine with Mandrake 7.2 (from 8.0) I had all kinds of trouble with mandrake 8 in all different apps. So far with mandrake 7.2 back online all my installs have been clean. I use the command line mostly and webmin to look at users and groups... Tina --- Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I think I may have located the source of the trouble but it's still puzzling. Both the Life With Qmail and the Running qmail book want the /var/qmail directory created while logged in as root. That gives ownership to the user root in the group root. Then, the qmail-specific groups and users are added. The problem is that when I run linuxconf and look at the created users, I receive a warning that the home directory of /var/qmail has an invalid owner and group. Could this be the cause of my problems? I'm not exactly a newbie to file and directory permissions, but in reading all the qmail documentation I can lay my hands on I see nothing that indicates I need to change the ownership and group of /var/qmail from root/root. Nevertheless, linuxconf is whining and my compile goes nowhere, and this all smells like a permissions issue. I'm running Mandrake 8. Thanks for your patient help. Steve. On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 02:43:15PM +1200, Steve Reed wrote: So, I'm stumped. Why is config (or config-fast) unhappy? Because it's expecting dirs and stuff in /var/qmail that aren't there. Run strings - install | grep / and look for a fully- qualified path (ie. starting with a slash) that doesn't look system-related. In your case, since you didn't change conf-qmail, you should see /var/qmail. If you see something else instead, that's where all your qmail stuff got installed -- all you gotta do is figure out why it went there. 8-) - Adrian __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com
Re: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install
Well I guess that kind of puts the nail in the coffin. Mandrake is supposed to be a top-notch distro - too bad they barfed all over version 8. I'll go snag the 7.2 ISOs and start all over again. Good thing, this mailing list! -Steve I downloaded the ISO's and burned CDS for 7.2. I purchased the cd for 8.0 and installed from it. I chose qmail because of its reputation as well as the availability of add-ons. For example there is a good free webmail program I got from inter7 which supports virtual hosts and webmin has a module to support remote admin. I couldn't install my firewall under 8 and ximian gnome upgrade install was also not supported I couldn't get daemontools to compile without errors either. I gave up spending so much time trying to figure out what was wrong and went back to 7.2 T. --- Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I installed Mandrake using the 2 CDs, the latest distro (downloaded the ISOs and burned the CDs). It seemed to install perfectly fine. I want to use qmail because it seems to have the best reputation. Mandrake comes with Postfix, which I chose to not install. From what I've read online, Postfix isn't exactly a top choice. Steve Did you use one CD for the mandrake 8 install or the two CD? Mandrake 8 really went out the door with issues. I would use RH7.1 or Mandrake 7.1 I have installed qmail fine on both. Mandrake 8 has some bad code in the CD -- also, Mandrake can be made secure as a server, but it installs a lot of client-side crap. sorry if that doesn't help, davidu -Original Message- From: Steve Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:37 PM To: Yvette 'Tina' Martinez Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Problem with VAR directory during install Excuse me while I go bang my head against the wall. OK, there now that that's over withhas anyone else had trouble installing qmail on Mandrake 8? I'm following the instructions to the letter and the darn thing won't install. I'd much rather find the reason for it and fix it than install an older version of the operating system, which can present other issues. -Steve I am also new at this and the first thing I had to do was stop using linuxconf. Linuxconf seems to have a mind of its own and it will regularly change ownership based on its own set of rules. BTW, I don't know exactly why. The second thing I did was rebuild my machine with Mandrake 7.2 (from 8.0) I had all kinds of trouble with mandrake 8 in all different apps. So far with mandrake 7.2 back online all my installs have been clean. I use the command line mostly and webmin to look at users and groups... Tina --- Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I think I may have located the source of the trouble but it's still puzzling. Both the Life With Qmail and the Running qmail book want the /var/qmail directory created while logged in as root. That gives ownership to the user root in the group root. Then, the qmail-specific groups and users are added. The problem is that when I run linuxconf and look at the created users, I receive a warning that the home directory of /var/qmail has an invalid owner and group. Could this be the cause of my problems? I'm not exactly a newbie to file and directory permissions, but in reading all the qmail documentation I can lay my hands on I see nothing that indicates I need to change the ownership and group of /var/qmail from root/root. Nevertheless, linuxconf is whining and my compile goes nowhere, and this all smells like a permissions issue. I'm running Mandrake 8. Thanks for your patient help. Steve. On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 02:43:15PM +1200, Steve Reed wrote: So, I'm stumped. Why is config (or config-fast) unhappy? Because it's expecting dirs and stuff in /var/qmail that aren't there. Run strings - install | grep / and look for a fully- qualified path (ie. starting with a slash) that doesn't look system-related. In your case, since you didn't change conf-qmail, you should see /var/qmail. If you see something else instead, that's where all your qmail stuff got installed -- all you gotta do is figure out why it went there. 8-) - Adrian __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com
Re: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install
On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 01:03:37PM +1200, Steve Reed wrote: Well I guess that kind of puts the nail in the coffin. Mandrake is supposed to be a top-notch distro Er, since when? --Adam
Re: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install
Hmmm...I wonder why my Mandrake 8 install won't cooperate. I've reloaded the OS a half dozen times, each time more careful than the previous, and to make a long story short when you do the make absolutely nothing goes into the /var/qmail directory. The install basically goes nowhere. I also noticed that this directory has owner as root and group as root, which is the way it should be if you follow the instructions to the letter, but linuxconf whines that the qmail special users don't have access to the /var/qmail directory because they are in different groups. One thing: the /var directory is actually two 17GB SCSI drives running in Linux Raid 1 (mirroring). Do you think it's possible the mirroring is screwing things up? -Steve Just for the sake of argument I have a Mandrake 8 machine that runs qmail fine with the directions from LWQ I also have a Mandrake Cooker machine (pre8.1) that I installed qmail fine. Nothing wierd, just word for word from LWQ. Still I prefer debian but this was for a friend who likes the ease of Mandrake, and true enough its pretty simple. -Original Message- From: Steve Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 8:24 PM To: David U. Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install Hi, I installed Mandrake using the 2 CDs, the latest distro (downloaded the ISOs and burned the CDs). It seemed to install perfectly fine. I want to use qmail because it seems to have the best reputation. Mandrake comes with Postfix, which I chose to not install. From what I've read online, Postfix isn't exactly a top choice. Steve Did you use one CD for the mandrake 8 install or the two CD? Mandrake 8 really went out the door with issues. I would use RH7.1 or Mandrake 7.1 I have installed qmail fine on both. Mandrake 8 has some bad code in the CD -- also, Mandrake can be made secure as a server, but it installs a lot of client-side crap. sorry if that doesn't help, davidu -Original Message- From: Steve Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:37 PM To: Yvette 'Tina' Martinez Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Problem with VAR directory during install Excuse me while I go bang my head against the wall. OK, there now that that's over withhas anyone else had trouble installing qmail on Mandrake 8? I'm following the instructions to the letter and the darn thing won't install. I'd much rather find the reason for it and fix it than install an older version of the operating system, which can present other issues. -Steve I am also new at this and the first thing I had to do was stop using linuxconf. Linuxconf seems to have a mind of its own and it will regularly change ownership based on its own set of rules. BTW, I don't know exactly why. The second thing I did was rebuild my machine with Mandrake 7.2 (from 8.0) I had all kinds of trouble with mandrake 8 in all different apps. So far with mandrake 7.2 back online all my installs have been clean. I use the command line mostly and webmin to look at users and groups... Tina --- Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I think I may have located the source of the trouble but it's still puzzling. Both the Life With Qmail and the Running qmail book want the /var/qmail directory created while logged in as root. That gives ownership to the user root in the group root. Then, the qmail-specific groups and users are added. The problem is that when I run linuxconf and look at the created users, I receive a warning that the home directory of /var/qmail has an invalid owner and group. Could this be the cause of my problems? I'm not exactly a newbie to file and directory permissions, but in reading all the qmail documentation I can lay my hands on I see nothing that indicates I need to change the ownership and group of /var/qmail from root/root. Nevertheless, linuxconf is whining and my compile goes nowhere, and this all smells like a permissions issue. I'm running Mandrake 8. Thanks for your patient help. Steve. On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 02:43:15PM +1200, Steve Reed wrote: So, I'm stumped. Why is config (or config-fast) unhappy? Because it's expecting dirs and stuff in /var/qmail that aren't there. Run strings - install | grep / and look for a fully- qualified path (ie. starting with a slash) that doesn't look system-related. In your case, since you didn't change conf-qmail, you should see /var/qmail. If you see something else instead, that's where all your qmail stuff got installed -- all you gotta do is figure out why it went there. 8
Re: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install
Hmmm...I wonder why my Mandrake 8 install won't cooperate. I've reloaded the OS a half dozen times, each time more careful than the previous, and to make a long story short when you do the make absolutely nothing goes into the /var/qmail directory. The install basically goes nowhere. I also noticed that this directory has owner as root and group as root, which is the way it should be if you follow the instructions to the letter, but linuxconf whines that the qmail special users don't have access to the /var/qmail directory because they are in different groups. One thing: the /var directory is actually two 17GB SCSI drives running in Linux Raid 1 (mirroring). Do you think it's possible the mirroring is screwing things up? -Steve Just for the sake of argument I have a Mandrake 8 machine that runs qmail fine with the directions from LWQ I also have a Mandrake Cooker machine (pre8.1) that I installed qmail fine. Nothing wierd, just word for word from LWQ. Still I prefer debian but this was for a friend who likes the ease of Mandrake, and true enough its pretty simple. -Original Message- From: Steve Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 8:24 PM To: David U. Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install Hi, I installed Mandrake using the 2 CDs, the latest distro (downloaded the ISOs and burned the CDs). It seemed to install perfectly fine. I want to use qmail because it seems to have the best reputation. Mandrake comes with Postfix, which I chose to not install. From what I've read online, Postfix isn't exactly a top choice. Steve Did you use one CD for the mandrake 8 install or the two CD? Mandrake 8 really went out the door with issues. I would use RH7.1 or Mandrake 7.1 I have installed qmail fine on both. Mandrake 8 has some bad code in the CD -- also, Mandrake can be made secure as a server, but it installs a lot of client-side crap. sorry if that doesn't help, davidu -Original Message- From: Steve Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:37 PM To: Yvette 'Tina' Martinez Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Problem with VAR directory during install Excuse me while I go bang my head against the wall. OK, there now that that's over withhas anyone else had trouble installing qmail on Mandrake 8? I'm following the instructions to the letter and the darn thing won't install. I'd much rather find the reason for it and fix it than install an older version of the operating system, which can present other issues. -Steve I am also new at this and the first thing I had to do was stop using linuxconf. Linuxconf seems to have a mind of its own and it will regularly change ownership based on its own set of rules. BTW, I don't know exactly why. The second thing I did was rebuild my machine with Mandrake 7.2 (from 8.0) I had all kinds of trouble with mandrake 8 in all different apps. So far with mandrake 7.2 back online all my installs have been clean. I use the command line mostly and webmin to look at users and groups... Tina --- Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I think I may have located the source of the trouble but it's still puzzling. Both the Life With Qmail and the Running qmail book want the /var/qmail directory created while logged in as root. That gives ownership to the user root in the group root. Then, the qmail-specific groups and users are added. The problem is that when I run linuxconf and look at the created users, I receive a warning that the home directory of /var/qmail has an invalid owner and group. Could this be the cause of my problems? I'm not exactly a newbie to file and directory permissions, but in reading all the qmail documentation I can lay my hands on I see nothing that indicates I need to change the ownership and group of /var/qmail from root/root. Nevertheless, linuxconf is whining and my compile goes nowhere, and this all smells like a permissions issue. I'm running Mandrake 8. Thanks for your patient help. Steve. On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 02:43:15PM +1200, Steve Reed wrote: So, I'm stumped. Why is config (or config-fast) unhappy? Because it's expecting dirs and stuff in /var/qmail that aren't there. Run strings - install | grep / and look for a fully- qualified path (ie. starting with a slash) that doesn't look system-related. In your case, since you didn't change conf-qmail, you should see /var/qmail. If you see something else instead, that's where all your qmail stuff got installed -- all you gotta do is figure out why it went there. 8
Re: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install
Hmmm...I wonder why my Mandrake 8 install won't cooperate. I've reloaded the OS a half dozen times, each time more careful than the previous, and to make a long story short when you do the make absolutely nothing goes into the /var/qmail directory. The install basically goes nowhere. I also noticed that this directory has owner as root and group as root, which is the way it should be if you follow the instructions to the letter, but linuxconf whines that the qmail special users don't have access to the /var/qmail directory because they are in different groups. One thing: the /var directory is actually two 17GB SCSI drives running in Linux Raid 1 (mirroring). Do you think it's possible the mirroring is screwing things up? -Steve Just for the sake of argument I have a Mandrake 8 machine that runs qmail fine with the directions from LWQ I also have a Mandrake Cooker machine (pre8.1) that I installed qmail fine. Nothing wierd, just word for word from LWQ. Still I prefer debian but this was for a friend who likes the ease of Mandrake, and true enough its pretty simple. -Original Message- From: Steve Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 8:24 PM To: David U. Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install Hi, I installed Mandrake using the 2 CDs, the latest distro (downloaded the ISOs and burned the CDs). It seemed to install perfectly fine. I want to use qmail because it seems to have the best reputation. Mandrake comes with Postfix, which I chose to not install. From what I've read online, Postfix isn't exactly a top choice. Steve Did you use one CD for the mandrake 8 install or the two CD? Mandrake 8 really went out the door with issues. I would use RH7.1 or Mandrake 7.1 I have installed qmail fine on both. Mandrake 8 has some bad code in the CD -- also, Mandrake can be made secure as a server, but it installs a lot of client-side crap. sorry if that doesn't help, davidu -Original Message- From: Steve Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:37 PM To: Yvette 'Tina' Martinez Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Problem with VAR directory during install Excuse me while I go bang my head against the wall. OK, there now that that's over withhas anyone else had trouble installing qmail on Mandrake 8? I'm following the instructions to the letter and the darn thing won't install. I'd much rather find the reason for it and fix it than install an older version of the operating system, which can present other issues. -Steve I am also new at this and the first thing I had to do was stop using linuxconf. Linuxconf seems to have a mind of its own and it will regularly change ownership based on its own set of rules. BTW, I don't know exactly why. The second thing I did was rebuild my machine with Mandrake 7.2 (from 8.0) I had all kinds of trouble with mandrake 8 in all different apps. So far with mandrake 7.2 back online all my installs have been clean. I use the command line mostly and webmin to look at users and groups... Tina --- Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I think I may have located the source of the trouble but it's still puzzling. Both the Life With Qmail and the Running qmail book want the /var/qmail directory created while logged in as root. That gives ownership to the user root in the group root. Then, the qmail-specific groups and users are added. The problem is that when I run linuxconf and look at the created users, I receive a warning that the home directory of /var/qmail has an invalid owner and group. Could this be the cause of my problems? I'm not exactly a newbie to file and directory permissions, but in reading all the qmail documentation I can lay my hands on I see nothing that indicates I need to change the ownership and group of /var/qmail from root/root. Nevertheless, linuxconf is whining and my compile goes nowhere, and this all smells like a permissions issue. I'm running Mandrake 8. Thanks for your patient help. Steve. On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 02:43:15PM +1200, Steve Reed wrote: So, I'm stumped. Why is config (or config-fast) unhappy? Because it's expecting dirs and stuff in /var/qmail that aren't there. Run strings - install | grep / and look for a fully- qualified path (ie. starting with a slash) that doesn't look system-related. In your case, since you didn't change conf-qmail, you should see /var/qmail. If you see something else instead, that's where all your qmail stuff got installed -- all you gotta do is figure out why it went there. 8
Re: RE: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install
Hmmm...I wonder why my Mandrake 8 install won't cooperate. I've reloaded the OS a half dozen times, each time more careful than the previous, and to make a long story short when you do the make absolutely nothing goes into the /var/qmail directory. The install basically goes nowhere. I also noticed that this directory has owner as root and group as root, which is the way it should be if you follow the instructions to the letter, but linuxconf whines that the qmail special users don't have access to the /var/qmail directory because they are in different groups. One thing: the /var directory is actually two 17GB SCSI drives running in Linux Raid 1 (mirroring). Do you think it's possible the mirroring is screwing things up? -Steve Just for the sake of argument I have a Mandrake 8 machine that runs qmail fine with the directions from LWQ I also have a Mandrake Cooker machine (pre8.1) that I installed qmail fine. Nothing wierd, just word for word from LWQ. Still I prefer debian but this was for a friend who likes the ease of Mandrake, and true enough its pretty simple. -Original Message- From: Steve Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 8:24 PM To: David U. Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Problem with VAR directory during install Hi, I installed Mandrake using the 2 CDs, the latest distro (downloaded the ISOs and burned the CDs). It seemed to install perfectly fine. I want to use qmail because it seems to have the best reputation. Mandrake comes with Postfix, which I chose to not install. From what I've read online, Postfix isn't exactly a top choice. Steve Did you use one CD for the mandrake 8 install or the two CD? Mandrake 8 really went out the door with issues. I would use RH7.1 or Mandrake 7.1 I have installed qmail fine on both. Mandrake 8 has some bad code in the CD -- also, Mandrake can be made secure as a server, but it installs a lot of client-side crap. sorry if that doesn't help, davidu -Original Message- From: Steve Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:37 PM To: Yvette 'Tina' Martinez Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Problem with VAR directory during install Excuse me while I go bang my head against the wall. OK, there now that that's over withhas anyone else had trouble installing qmail on Mandrake 8? I'm following the instructions to the letter and the darn thing won't install. I'd much rather find the reason for it and fix it than install an older version of the operating system, which can present other issues. -Steve I am also new at this and the first thing I had to do was stop using linuxconf. Linuxconf seems to have a mind of its own and it will regularly change ownership based on its own set of rules. BTW, I don't know exactly why. The second thing I did was rebuild my machine with Mandrake 7.2 (from 8.0) I had all kinds of trouble with mandrake 8 in all different apps. So far with mandrake 7.2 back online all my installs have been clean. I use the command line mostly and webmin to look at users and groups... Tina --- Steve Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I think I may have located the source of the trouble but it's still puzzling. Both the Life With Qmail and the Running qmail book want the /var/qmail directory created while logged in as root. That gives ownership to the user root in the group root. Then, the qmail-specific groups and users are added. The problem is that when I run linuxconf and look at the created users, I receive a warning that the home directory of /var/qmail has an invalid owner and group. Could this be the cause of my problems? I'm not exactly a newbie to file and directory permissions, but in reading all the qmail documentation I can lay my hands on I see nothing that indicates I need to change the ownership and group of /var/qmail from root/root. Nevertheless, linuxconf is whining and my compile goes nowhere, and this all smells like a permissions issue. I'm running Mandrake 8. Thanks for your patient help. Steve. On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 02:43:15PM +1200, Steve Reed wrote: So, I'm stumped. Why is config (or config-fast) unhappy? Because it's expecting dirs and stuff in /var/qmail that aren't there. Run strings - install | grep / and look for a fully- qualified path (ie. starting with a slash) that doesn't look system-related. In your case, since you didn't change conf-qmail, you should see /var/qmail. If you see something else instead, that's where all your qmail stuff got installed -- all you gotta do is figure out why it went there. 8
Re: Problem with VAR directory during install
I'm attempting to set up qmail on Mandrake 8.0. I do create the /var/qmail directory, but when qmail compiles nothing goes into this directory. Of course then when you run ./config it barfs because it can't find certain things in /var/qmail. Yes, I'm logged on as root. config does not fail because of anything in /var/qmail; it fails if it can't find your server's name in DNS. Use config-fast instead. Also, when running the IDS script, I can't see that any directories were created in the /var directory either. 1. IDS is not a script that's included with qmail. 2. if you did create a IDS script off of INSTALL.ids (a la LWQ), it doesn't create any directories anywhere. It adds user accounts and groups to your system. I've reloaded Mandrake 3 times from scratch and it's still doing the same thing. Also tried gcc instead of cc and it makes no difference. none of these things have anything to do with installing qmail. What am I doing wrong? you need to read and understand the various INSTALL. files included with your qmail distribution. BTW, the /var directory resides on a separate physical drive in the machine - a Linux RAID 1 (mirror), to be precise, so there are two drives in fact. The /var directory shows up nicely and is perfectly accessible. I can't imagine this would be creating the problem. It's not. You need to better understand the qmail install process. start by reading the documentation included with qmail, then visit lifewithqmail.org. Dan
Re: Problem with VAR directory during install
I'm sitting on a T-1 and the DNS is not a problem. After compiling, when ./config runs, every time it tries to do something it says no such file or directory. Following your suggestion, I tried config-fast and had the same results. I've got Life with Qmail printed out in its entirety and have been following the installation instructions step by step. I also have the Blum book Running Qmail and have also tried his step-by-step instructions. I do get a compile, but after the compile there is NOTHING in the /var/qmail directory. After running config or config-fast there is still nothing in the /var/qmail directory. I realize I must be doing something fundamentally wrong here, and I promise you I would not be bothering this mailing list had I not first spent hours in front of the server, read through the install instructions in complete details, and reloaded the server several times. So, I'm stumped. Why is config (or config-fast) unhappy? -Steve I'm attempting to set up qmail on Mandrake 8.0. I do create the /var/qmail directory, but when qmail compiles nothing goes into this directory. Of course then when you run ./config it barfs because it can't find certain things in /var/qmail. Yes, I'm logged on as root. config does not fail because of anything in /var/qmail; it fails if it can't find your server's name in DNS. Use config-fast instead. Also, when running the IDS script, I can't see that any directories were created in the /var directory either. 1. IDS is not a script that's included with qmail. 2. if you did create a IDS script off of INSTALL.ids (a la LWQ), it doesn't create any directories anywhere. It adds user accounts and groups to your system. I've reloaded Mandrake 3 times from scratch and it's still doing the same thing. Also tried gcc instead of cc and it makes no difference. none of these things have anything to do with installing qmail. What am I doing wrong? you need to read and understand the various INSTALL. files included with your qmail distribution. BTW, the /var directory resides on a separate physical drive in the machine - a Linux RAID 1 (mirror), to be precise, so there are two drives in fact. The /var directory shows up nicely and is perfectly accessible. I can't imagine this would be creating the problem. It's not. You need to better understand the qmail install process. start by reading the documentation included with qmail, then visit lifewithqmail.org. Dan
Re: Problem with VAR directory during install
On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 01:30:30PM +1200, Steve Reed wrote: I'm attempting to set up qmail on Mandrake 8.0. I do create the /var/qmail directory, but when qmail compiles nothing goes into this directory. Did you 'make setup check'? Or did you change conf-qmail to some directory other than /var/qmail? - Adrian
