RFC 2821 and 2822

2001-04-25 Thread Scott Gifford

Hadn't seen this mentioned here, and thought it might be of general
interest.

RFCs 2821 and 2822 were published today, obsoleting the venerable RFCs
821 and 822, covering SMTP and the Internet Message Format,
respectively.

They're available from the usual places, including:

http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2821.txt
http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2822.txt
ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc2821.txt
ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc2822.txt

No big changes; from what I've read so far (I've read half of 2821),
they just do things like remove cruft (SEND, SOML, and friends),
deprecate things that haven't been used in the real world for years
(source-routing of email addresses), and clarify minor ambiguities.

-ScottG.



Re: RFC 2821 and 2822

2001-04-25 Thread Matthew Patterson

I'm not very good at reading RFCs, so I can't be sure myself. Can anyone 
confirm that qmail 1.3 with the BigDNS and queuevar patches will be 
compliant with whatever standards may come out of RFCs 2821 and 2822? 
I'm sure that there will be some schmuck member of management will hear 
about these and come to me pulling their hair out, wondering how we will 
ever survive moving to these new processes, and will end up suggesting 
moving to Exchange 2000 because 'Microsoft always follows standards'. 
I'm fairly certain that we have nothing to worry about, but I want to be 
sure.

MHP




Re: RFC 2821 and 2822

2001-04-25 Thread Mike Jackson

Matthew Patterson wrote:
 
 I'm not very good at reading RFCs, so I can't be sure myself. Can anyone
 confirm that qmail 1.3 with the BigDNS and queuevar patches will be
 compliant with whatever standards may come out of RFCs 2821 and 2822?

It could literally take years for RFCs to become standards, if they ever
do. You don't have to worry too soon, I think.

 I'm sure that there will be some schmuck member of management will hear
 about these and come to me pulling their hair out, wondering how we will
 ever survive moving to these new processes, and will end up suggesting
 moving to Exchange 2000 because 'Microsoft always follows standards'.

Microsoft is the standard deviation from the norm. err the standards
deviator from seattle. well, you get the point.

mike



Re: RFC 2821 and 2822

2001-04-25 Thread Chris Garrigues

 From:  Mike Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date:  Thu, 26 Apr 2001 01:49:24 +0300

 Matthew Patterson wrote:
  
  I'm not very good at reading RFCs, so I can't be sure myself. Can anyone
  confirm that qmail 1.3 with the BigDNS and queuevar patches will be
  compliant with whatever standards may come out of RFCs 2821 and 2822?
 
 It could literally take years for RFCs to become standards, if they ever
 do. You don't have to worry too soon, I think.

2821 and 2822 are clarifications of 821 and 822; they don't throw away the 
existing standards.  qmail should already be just as compatible as it was with 
the old standards.

Chris

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Re: RFC 2821 and 2822

2001-04-25 Thread James Stevens

You can basically take the difference between the two and stick it up a 
nat's a** ... Or at least thats my observation.. Everything I have read 
so far goes with what ya say chris... But just for the fun of it why 
doesn't everyone here on the list get together and will write up our own 
standards (evil grin)

We'd just need a catchy name for it.. 

--JT

 Original Message 

On 4/25/01, 4:08:13 PM, Chris Garrigues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: RFC 2821 and 
2822:


  From:  Mike Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date:  Thu, 26 Apr 2001 01:49:24 +0300
 
  Matthew Patterson wrote:
  
   I'm not very good at reading RFCs, so I can't be sure myself. Can anyone
   confirm that qmail 1.3 with the BigDNS and queuevar patches will be
   compliant with whatever standards may come out of RFCs 2821 and 2822?
 
  It could literally take years for RFCs to become standards, if they ever
  do. You don't have to worry too soon, I think.

 2821 and 2822 are clarifications of 821 and 822; they don't throw away 
the
 existing standards.  qmail should already be just as compatible as it was 
with
 the old standards.

 Chris

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 Austin, TX  78751-3709+1 512 374 0500

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