[qmailtoaster] Trash being emptied for some users but not all

2011-08-22 Thread Dan McAllister

Greetings QMailers...

I have a client who's hopping mad because his Trash folder is being 
cleaned out periodically  he clearly does not want this to happen.


He reports that this is happening on his system and a colleagues, but 
not everyone on the domain.


I suspect his Thunderbird client is doing some kind of trash 
management... but these are all IMAP accounts, so Thunderbird shouldn't 
be worrying about folder sizes... should it?


Any ideas -- or anyone else chased this ghost -- would be greatly 
appreciated.


Thanks

Dan
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[qmailtoaster] Re: Trash being emptied for some users but not all

2011-08-22 Thread Eric Shubert

On 08/22/2011 07:31 AM, Dan McAllister wrote:

Greetings QMailers...

I have a client who's hopping mad because his Trash folder is being
cleaned out periodically  he clearly does not want this to happen.

He reports that this is happening on his system and a colleagues, but
not everyone on the domain.

I suspect his Thunderbird client is doing some kind of trash
management... but these are all IMAP accounts, so Thunderbird shouldn't
be worrying about folder sizes... should it?

Any ideas -- or anyone else chased this ghost -- would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks

Dan
IT4SOHO



There is a qtp-clean-trash script (I don't use it) that's part of QTP. 
Is that installed perhaps? I realize you said that this is only certain 
accounts in a domain, which doesn't make sense to me, but I figure it's 
worth checking.


I don't see any setting in TBv3.1.8 for doing this. Is he perhaps using 
another IMAP client as well, such as Squirrelmail or phone?


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Trash being emptied for some users but not all

2011-08-22 Thread Maxwell Smart



On 08/22/2011 07:31 AM, Dan McAllister wrote:

Greetings QMailers...

I have a client who's hopping mad because his Trash folder is being 
cleaned out periodically  he clearly does not want this to happen.


He reports that this is happening on his system and a colleagues, but 
not everyone on the domain.


I suspect his Thunderbird client is doing some kind of trash 
management... but these are all IMAP accounts, so Thunderbird 
shouldn't be worrying about folder sizes... should it?


Any ideas -- or anyone else chased this ghost -- would be greatly 
appreciated.


Thanks

Dan
IT4SOHO

There is a setting in Thunderbird under Account Settings Syncronization 
and Storage that could be your culprit.



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[qmailtoaster] Re: Trash being emptied for some users but not all

2011-08-22 Thread Eric Shubert

On 08/22/2011 08:04 AM, Maxwell Smart wrote:



On 08/22/2011 07:31 AM, Dan McAllister wrote:

Greetings QMailers...

I have a client who's hopping mad because his Trash folder is being
cleaned out periodically  he clearly does not want this to happen.

He reports that this is happening on his system and a colleagues, but
not everyone on the domain.

I suspect his Thunderbird client is doing some kind of trash
management... but these are all IMAP accounts, so Thunderbird
shouldn't be worrying about folder sizes... should it?

Any ideas -- or anyone else chased this ghost -- would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks

Dan
IT4SOHO


There is a setting in Thunderbird under Account Settings Syncronization
and Storage that could be your culprit.




And which setting would that be?

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[qmailtoaster] Re: Trash being emptied for some users but not all

2011-08-22 Thread Eric Shubert

On 08/22/2011 08:42 AM, Maxwell Smart wrote:



On 08/22/2011 08:22 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:

On 08/22/2011 08:04 AM, Maxwell Smart wrote:



On 08/22/2011 07:31 AM, Dan McAllister wrote:

Greetings QMailers...

I have a client who's hopping mad because his Trash folder is being
cleaned out periodically  he clearly does not want this to happen.

He reports that this is happening on his system and a colleagues, but
not everyone on the domain.

I suspect his Thunderbird client is doing some kind of trash
management... but these are all IMAP accounts, so Thunderbird
shouldn't be worrying about folder sizes... should it?

Any ideas -- or anyone else chased this ghost -- would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks

Dan
IT4SOHO


There is a setting in Thunderbird under Account Settings Syncronization
and Storage that could be your culprit.




And which setting would that be?


I thought it was pretty obvious. Delete messages more than XX days old.



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That would delete messages from all folders, not just the trash folder. No?

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Trash being emptied for some users but not all

2011-08-22 Thread Maxwell Smart



On 08/22/2011 09:09 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:

On 08/22/2011 08:42 AM, Maxwell Smart wrote:



On 08/22/2011 08:22 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:

On 08/22/2011 08:04 AM, Maxwell Smart wrote:



On 08/22/2011 07:31 AM, Dan McAllister wrote:

Greetings QMailers...

I have a client who's hopping mad because his Trash folder is being
cleaned out periodically  he clearly does not want this to happen.

He reports that this is happening on his system and a colleagues, but
not everyone on the domain.

I suspect his Thunderbird client is doing some kind of trash
management... but these are all IMAP accounts, so Thunderbird
shouldn't be worrying about folder sizes... should it?

Any ideas -- or anyone else chased this ghost -- would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks

Dan
IT4SOHO

There is a setting in Thunderbird under Account Settings 
Syncronization

and Storage that could be your culprit.




And which setting would that be?


I thought it was pretty obvious. Delete messages more than XX days old.




That would delete messages from all folders, not just the trash 
folder. No?



You are correct, reading comprehension FTW!

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Trash being emptied for some users but not all

2011-08-22 Thread Dan McAllister

On 8/22/2011 11:22 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:

On 08/22/2011 08:04 AM, Maxwell Smart wrote:

On 08/22/2011 07:31 AM, Dan McAllister wrote:

Greetings QMailers...

I have a client who's hopping mad because his Trash folder is being
cleaned out periodically  he clearly does not want this to happen.

He reports that this is happening on his system and a colleagues, but
not everyone on the domain.

I suspect his Thunderbird client is doing some kind of trash
management... but these are all IMAP accounts, so Thunderbird
shouldn't be worrying about folder sizes... should it?

Any ideas -- or anyone else chased this ghost -- would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks

Dan
IT4SOHO

There is a setting in Thunderbird under Account Settings Syncronization
and Storage that could be your culprit.

And which setting would that be?
The Junk Mail and Synchronization  Storage settings are all set to 
NEVER delete messages...


And the qtp-clean-trash is NOT in my active cron folders...

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RE: [qmailtoaster] Re: Trash being emptied for some users but not all

2011-08-22 Thread Michael J. Colvin
You're missing something here...  Not sure what, but something's missing.
He's either using another mail client to check via IMAP from home, or
something...  

Is he checking mail from his phone?  Perhaps that client has something set.

Does he use Squirrelmail?  I believe there's a setting in there that empties
the trash when logging off.  I believe Outlook or Outlook Express also has
settings that empty the trash when logging off...

Drill him about where he checks mail from...  All of the places he checks
from.  Or, switch up, and talk to the colleague that has the same thing.
You might get more information from him.

I agree with the previous post about getting them to change their method of
handling mail and not trashing mail they want, but sometimes that's easier
said than done...  If you can find the offending culprit that's deleting the
trash, you might save yourself some heartache.

The thing I've never liked about having clients use IMAP is, they then store
Gig's of worthless mail on my server, versus their PC...  I usually set up
their clients so that the POP the mail, leave it on the server for 10 days,
then remove it.  That usually gives them enough time to get their mail at
home/office/phone, and prevents years worth of their porn links from piling
up on my server...

Any, keep looking.  You'll find they both have second mail clients somewhere
that are deleting the trash.

Mike

-Original Message-
From: Dan McAllister [mailto:d...@it4soho.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 10:18 AM
To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com
Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Trash being emptied for some users but not
all

On 8/22/2011 11:22 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:
 On 08/22/2011 08:04 AM, Maxwell Smart wrote:
 On 08/22/2011 07:31 AM, Dan McAllister wrote:
 Greetings QMailers...

 I have a client who's hopping mad because his Trash folder is being
 cleaned out periodically  he clearly does not want this to happen.

 He reports that this is happening on his system and a colleagues, but
 not everyone on the domain.

 I suspect his Thunderbird client is doing some kind of trash
 management... but these are all IMAP accounts, so Thunderbird
 shouldn't be worrying about folder sizes... should it?

 Any ideas -- or anyone else chased this ghost -- would be greatly
 appreciated.

 Thanks

 Dan
 IT4SOHO
 There is a setting in Thunderbird under Account Settings Syncronization
 and Storage that could be your culprit.
 And which setting would that be?
The Junk Mail and Synchronization  Storage settings are all set to 
NEVER delete messages...

And the qtp-clean-trash is NOT in my active cron folders...


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[qmailtoaster] dovecot

2011-08-22 Thread mattias
i tried to install dovecot for qmail toaster on a centos 4 server
i not find it
i have the qmailtoaster-plus repo installed

[qmailtoaster] Re: dovecot

2011-08-22 Thread Eric Shubert

On 08/22/2011 12:56 PM, mattias wrote:

i tried to install dovecot for qmail toaster on a centos 4 server
i not find it
i have the qmailtoaster-plus repo installed


I don't think we have a dovecot built for centos 4, only 5. You really 
should upgrade, as centos4's end of life is scheduled for 2/29/2012.


You might want to wait for QMT to be ready for centos 6 as long as 
you're upgrading. You should do a fresh install regardless of whether 
you upgrade to 5 or 6.


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Trash being emptied for some users but not all

2011-08-22 Thread Dan McAllister

Michael,

Your point about messages piling up on the server is valid -- except for 
two points:
 a) when they're using my server, they pay for storage, not numbers of 
accounts... more storage, more monthly cost (more income for the same 
infrastructure)
 b) when they're NOT using my server, they pay for management and don't 
want me talking to them about storage -- its their hardware -- but in 
that case, they're paying for /backup/ on their server... and again, 
they pay for storage... more storage = more income for the same 
infrastructure!


I PUSH (hard) for IMAP e-mail access -- for business reasons (their 
business, not mine)... either my server or theirs is backed up... if 
there is an issue on IMAP, I can ALWAYS recover the data because I have 
it backed up! If it's pop and their system isn't backed up, then its 
lost and if they lose the entire PST (or Thunderbird database), 
they've lost everything... with IMAP, all the data protection that goes 
into the design of the server applies to the e-mail just as it does to 
Word  Excel files...


As for retraining this user, he's adamant that he shouldn't have to 
learn a new way of doing things... so I'm definitely at a point where I 
need to find out WHAT is making the files disappear...


For everyone who's replied so far -- please keep trying! I'm hoping ONE 
of the big, smart heads out there will see SOMETHING that I'm missing...


Thanks

Dan

On 8/22/2011 2:28 PM, Michael J. Colvin wrote:

You're missing something here...  Not sure what, but something's missing.
He's either using another mail client to check via IMAP from home, or
something...

Is he checking mail from his phone?  Perhaps that client has something set.

Does he use Squirrelmail?  I believe there's a setting in there that empties
the trash when logging off.  I believe Outlook or Outlook Express also has
settings that empty the trash when logging off...

Drill him about where he checks mail from...  All of the places he checks
from.  Or, switch up, and talk to the colleague that has the same thing.
You might get more information from him.

I agree with the previous post about getting them to change their method of
handling mail and not trashing mail they want, but sometimes that's easier
said than done...  If you can find the offending culprit that's deleting the
trash, you might save yourself some heartache.

The thing I've never liked about having clients use IMAP is, they then store
Gig's of worthless mail on my server, versus their PC...  I usually set up
their clients so that the POP the mail, leave it on the server for 10 days,
then remove it.  That usually gives them enough time to get their mail at
home/office/phone, and prevents years worth of their porn links from piling
up on my server...

Any, keep looking.  You'll find they both have second mail clients somewhere
that are deleting the trash.

Mike

-Original Message-
From: Dan McAllister [mailto:d...@it4soho.com]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 10:18 AM
To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com
Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Trash being emptied for some users but not
all

On 8/22/2011 11:22 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:

On 08/22/2011 08:04 AM, Maxwell Smart wrote:

On 08/22/2011 07:31 AM, Dan McAllister wrote:

Greetings QMailers...

I have a client who's hopping mad because his Trash folder is being
cleaned out periodically  he clearly does not want this to happen.

He reports that this is happening on his system and a colleagues, but
not everyone on the domain.

I suspect his Thunderbird client is doing some kind of trash
management... but these are all IMAP accounts, so Thunderbird
shouldn't be worrying about folder sizes... should it?

Any ideas -- or anyone else chased this ghost -- would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks

Dan
IT4SOHO

There is a setting in Thunderbird under Account SettingsSyncronization
and Storage that could be your culprit.

And which setting would that be?

The Junk Mail and Synchronization  Storage settings are all set to
NEVER delete messages...

And the qtp-clean-trash is NOT in my active cron folders...


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Trash being emptied for some users but not all

2011-08-22 Thread Cecil Yother, Jr.



On 08/22/2011 01:57 PM, Dan McAllister wrote:

Michael,

Your point about messages piling up on the server is valid -- except 
for two points:
 a) when they're using my server, they pay for storage, not numbers of 
accounts... more storage, more monthly cost (more income for the same 
infrastructure)
 b) when they're NOT using my server, they pay for management and 
don't want me talking to them about storage -- its their hardware -- 
but in that case, they're paying for /backup/ on their server... and 
again, they pay for storage... more storage = more income for the same 
infrastructure!


I PUSH (hard) for IMAP e-mail access -- for business reasons (their 
business, not mine)... either my server or theirs is backed up... if 
there is an issue on IMAP, I can ALWAYS recover the data because I 
have it backed up! If it's pop and their system isn't backed up, then 
its lost and if they lose the entire PST (or Thunderbird 
database), they've lost everything... with IMAP, all the data 
protection that goes into the design of the server applies to the 
e-mail just as it does to Word  Excel files...


I host my own personal e mail and that includes my wifes.  I recently 
changed her over to IMAP for this very reason.  I would bear the brunt 
if her laptop crashed and the e mails were lost.
As for retraining this user, he's adamant that he shouldn't have to 
learn a new way of doing things... so I'm definitely at a point where 
I need to find out WHAT is making the files disappear...


The trash issue needs to be addressed either way.  If it's dis appearing 
for no reason, that needs to be sorted.  It sounds like your charging 
him for the space so re training him is a non issue.  You need to train 
him on how to save more stuff!
For everyone who's replied so far -- please keep trying! I'm hoping 
ONE of the big, smart heads out there will see SOMETHING that I'm 
missing...


Thanks

Dan

On 8/22/2011 2:28 PM, Michael J. Colvin wrote:

You're missing something here...  Not sure what, but something's missing.
He's either using another mail client to check via IMAP from home, or
something...

Is he checking mail from his phone?  Perhaps that client has something set.

Does he use Squirrelmail?  I believe there's a setting in there that empties
the trash when logging off.  I believe Outlook or Outlook Express also has
settings that empty the trash when logging off...

Drill him about where he checks mail from...  All of the places he checks
from.  Or, switch up, and talk to the colleague that has the same thing.
You might get more information from him.

I agree with the previous post about getting them to change their method of
handling mail and not trashing mail they want, but sometimes that's easier
said than done...  If you can find the offending culprit that's deleting the
trash, you might save yourself some heartache.

The thing I've never liked about having clients use IMAP is, they then store
Gig's of worthless mail on my server, versus their PC...  I usually set up
their clients so that the POP the mail, leave it on the server for 10 days,
then remove it.  That usually gives them enough time to get their mail at
home/office/phone, and prevents years worth of their porn links from piling
up on my server...

Any, keep looking.  You'll find they both have second mail clients somewhere
that are deleting the trash.

Mike

-Original Message-
From: Dan McAllister [mailto:d...@it4soho.com]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 10:18 AM
To:qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com
Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Trash being emptied for some users but not
all

On 8/22/2011 11:22 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:

On 08/22/2011 08:04 AM, Maxwell Smart wrote:

On 08/22/2011 07:31 AM, Dan McAllister wrote:

Greetings QMailers...

I have a client who's hopping mad because his Trash folder is being
cleaned out periodically  he clearly does not want this to happen.

He reports that this is happening on his system and a colleagues, but
not everyone on the domain.

I suspect his Thunderbird client is doing some kind of trash
management... but these are all IMAP accounts, so Thunderbird
shouldn't be worrying about folder sizes... should it?

Any ideas -- or anyone else chased this ghost -- would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks

Dan
IT4SOHO

There is a setting in Thunderbird under Account SettingsSyncronization
and Storage that could be your culprit.

And which setting would that be?

The Junk Mail and Synchronization  Storage settings are all set to
NEVER delete messages...

And the qtp-clean-trash is NOT in my active cron folders...


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RE: [qmailtoaster] Re: Trash being emptied for some users but not all

2011-08-22 Thread Michael J. Colvin
I agree with your points.  I guess I should have been a little clearer.  I
was referring mainly to my ISP customers.  I don't want to store their mail
because I make so little off of their connectivity service (DSL or Dialup)
and they don't pay for mail (accounts are included in the access), and with
quota's broken, it can get to be a pain.  J  Luckily, most use
Gmail/Yahoo/etc, so it's not as big of an issue as it used to be.  These
users also tend to be residential.

 

For my business IT customers, yes, that's different, although most have an
internal Exchange service, and I simply filter the mail, so none is stored
on my end, and the backup occurs on their server.

 

I still say look for him using another client somewhere.Phone, home, another
PC somewhere.

 

Mike

 

From: Dan McAllister [mailto:d...@it4soho.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 1:57 PM
To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com
Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Trash being emptied for some users but not
all

 

Michael,

Your point about messages piling up on the server is valid -- except for two
points:
 a) when they're using my server, they pay for storage, not numbers of
accounts... more storage, more monthly cost (more income for the same
infrastructure)
 b) when they're NOT using my server, they pay for management and don't want
me talking to them about storage -- its their hardware -- but in that case,
they're paying for backup on their server... and again, they pay for
storage... more storage = more income for the same infrastructure!

I PUSH (hard) for IMAP e-mail access -- for business reasons (their
business, not mine)... either my server or theirs is backed up... if there
is an issue on IMAP, I can ALWAYS recover the data because I have it backed
up! If it's pop and their system isn't backed up, then its lost and if
they lose the entire PST (or Thunderbird database), they've lost
everything... with IMAP, all the data protection that goes into the design
of the server applies to the e-mail just as it does to Word  Excel files...

As for retraining this user, he's adamant that he shouldn't have to learn a
new way of doing things... so I'm definitely at a point where I need to find
out WHAT is making the files disappear...

For everyone who's replied so far -- please keep trying! I'm hoping ONE of
the big, smart heads out there will see SOMETHING that I'm missing...

Thanks

Dan

On 8/22/2011 2:28 PM, Michael J. Colvin wrote: 

You're missing something here...  Not sure what, but something's missing.
He's either using another mail client to check via IMAP from home, or
something...  
 
Is he checking mail from his phone?  Perhaps that client has something set.
 
Does he use Squirrelmail?  I believe there's a setting in there that empties
the trash when logging off.  I believe Outlook or Outlook Express also has
settings that empty the trash when logging off...
 
Drill him about where he checks mail from...  All of the places he checks
from.  Or, switch up, and talk to the colleague that has the same thing.
You might get more information from him.
 
I agree with the previous post about getting them to change their method of
handling mail and not trashing mail they want, but sometimes that's easier
said than done...  If you can find the offending culprit that's deleting the
trash, you might save yourself some heartache.
 
The thing I've never liked about having clients use IMAP is, they then store
Gig's of worthless mail on my server, versus their PC...  I usually set up
their clients so that the POP the mail, leave it on the server for 10 days,
then remove it.  That usually gives them enough time to get their mail at
home/office/phone, and prevents years worth of their porn links from piling
up on my server...
 
Any, keep looking.  You'll find they both have second mail clients somewhere
that are deleting the trash.
 
Mike
 
-Original Message-
From: Dan McAllister [mailto:d...@it4soho.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 10:18 AM
To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com
Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Trash being emptied for some users but not
all
 
On 8/22/2011 11:22 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:

On 08/22/2011 08:04 AM, Maxwell Smart wrote:

On 08/22/2011 07:31 AM, Dan McAllister wrote:

Greetings QMailers...
 
I have a client who's hopping mad because his Trash folder is being
cleaned out periodically  he clearly does not want this to happen.
 
He reports that this is happening on his system and a colleagues, but
not everyone on the domain.
 
I suspect his Thunderbird client is doing some kind of trash
management... but these are all IMAP accounts, so Thunderbird
shouldn't be worrying about folder sizes... should it?
 
Any ideas -- or anyone else chased this ghost -- would be greatly
appreciated.
 
Thanks
 
Dan
IT4SOHO

There is a setting in Thunderbird under Account Settings Syncronization
and Storage that could be your culprit.

And which setting would that be?

The Junk Mail and Synchronization  Storage settings are all 

Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Trash being emptied for some users but not all

2011-08-22 Thread Bharath Chari

On 08/23/2011 04:10 AM, Michael J. Colvin wrote:


I agree with your points...  I guess I should have been a little 
clearer...  I was referring mainly to my ISP customers...  I don't 
want to store their mail because I make so little off of their 
connectivity service (DSL or Dialup) and they don't pay for mail 
(accounts are included in the access), and with quota's broken, it can 
get to be a pain. J  Luckily, most use Gmail/Yahoo/etc, so it's not as 
big of an issue as it used to be...  These users also tend to be 
residential...


For my business IT customers, yes, that's different, although most 
have an internal Exchange service, and I simply filter the mail, so 
none is stored on my end, and the backup occurs on their server...


I still say look for him using another client somewhere...Phone, home, 
another PC somewhere...


Mike


What about webmail? Do you offer roundcuber? Roundcube has a setting 
that says empty trash on exit.


Bharath