[QUAD-L] ? merill

2007-05-07 Thread Hecedman

MaturalySpeaking?

[QUAD-L] Boost = Gain

2007-05-07 Thread wheelchair
 
I believe that boost means Gain.  Its a quality of volume.
W
 
 
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Merrill,  what is a boost?

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[QUAD-L] hypothyroid

2007-05-07 Thread Jessica Ann Gordon

hi all --

i just received a call from the doc after having some blood work done  
last week. apparently i have hypothyroidism -- or an underactive  
thyroid.   they told me my levels are abnormally low. there's a small  
chance it is a lab error but most likely not. i was just reading  
about hypothyroid online and found that i have many of the symptoms  
which i had always thought were due to my SCI. for example: fatigue,  
weakness, increased difficulty losing weight, hair loss, COLD  
INTOLERANCE, depression, irritability, memory loss, abnormal  
menstrual cycle, and decreased libido.


so my question is -- has anyone else been diagnosed w/  
hypothyroidism? and could it be related to SCI? i've been told in  
most cases it is easily treatable w/ medication so i hope i fall into  
that category. i'll find out more tomorrow morning when i go to the  
doctor.


=jessica



Re: [QUAD-L] hypothyroid

2007-05-07 Thread ~LittleQuad~
no i don't have it but my chiropractor doeshe had weight-loss and was 
straining his marriage..but meds worked it out...
  it doew seem typical symptoms of SCI, especially new injuries
  best wishes! 

Jessica Ann Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  hi all --

i just received a call from the doc after having some blood work done 
last week. apparently i have hypothyroidism -- or an underactive 
thyroid. they told me my levels are abnormally low. there's a small 
chance it is a lab error but most likely not. i was just reading 
about hypothyroid online and found that i have many of the symptoms 
which i had always thought were due to my SCI. for example: fatigue, 
weakness, increased difficulty losing weight, hair loss, COLD 
INTOLERANCE, depression, irritability, memory loss, abnormal 
menstrual cycle, and decreased libido.

so my question is -- has anyone else been diagnosed w/ 
hypothyroidism? and could it be related to SCI? i've been told in 
most cases it is easily treatable w/ medication so i hope i fall into 
that category. i'll find out more tomorrow morning when i go to the 
doctor.

=jessica




Re: [QUAD-L] hypothyroid

2007-05-07 Thread KK
Here is a good informative site.

http://thyroid.about.com/index.htm?terms=thyroid

It runs in my family.  Been on drugs for it since I was a teenager.  Wouldn't 
think
sci would have anything to do with it.





[QUAD-L] Morphine withdrawal

2007-05-07 Thread ~LittleQuad~
   Curious if any of you with pumps ever requested the morphine be taken out? I 
did that this last Thursday and it was an unbelievably overwhelming and rough 
weekend. They didn't 'actually' warm me of the withdrawal symptoms but having 
been a patient this long common sense told me there would be some. I was on 1mg 
for 24 hours, not a lot for most, but 88 pound body it apparently was! Anyway 
the morphine wasn't doing anything but causing major tummy troubles so I wanted 
to decease it. 
 Friday was fine. Friday night turned into hell. My legs were twitching 
uncontrollably, not caring who or what they hit. There was excruciating leg 
pain, as if my muscles were literally contracting more each second. Around 6 am 
after being up almost 18 hours, I had my first sneeze attack, weird I know! 11 
TIMES! I got out of bed and the legs quit twitching because of the pressure. I 
was extremely weak, nauseated and sleepy. Nothing seemed to keep my mind busy 
enough. So I went outside and the sneezing took over, 12, 15, sometimes 8 in a 
row. Heart rate and blood pressure were elevated and no appetite at all. Now I 
know why coke addicts are so thin! Every other sip was coming up. If I hadn't 
had left over oral baclofen i may not have made it.  Moods were up and down and 
weird too!
 Saturday night wasn't any better. My legs were even worse on jumping. I 
was hot then cold, my nose was stopping up. Everyone thought I might end up in 
the hospital as no one was getting sleep. I was up every 20 minutes until I 
finally just let my legs jump until they stopped. Sometimes an hour would pass 
and I would settle down and sleep.
 Sunday morning didn't come fast enough! Those of you who know me KNOW i 
don't get out of bed early and I was in my chair by 7:30am. So I laid in my 
chair around the house, yard and anywhere there was someone awake! Around 11am 
I laid down on the bed and my legs hardly moved! WOHOO! But after a fast 45 
minute nap, I woke up with the worst headache Ive had since they put my halo on 
in 98! Right back up, and it settled with Tylenol.
 So I repeated Saturday on Sunday with a stopped up nose. Then bed time at 
7, hopping from beds, hard one to soft one...my legs laid there and cramped but 
no twitching. So it was peaceful. This morning I was awake at 6am again but in 
chair by 830am. I'm really weak today, very alert and doing better. Plan on 
giving my doctor's office three shades of hell on Wednesday!
 So word to the wise, be well prepared if you go off morphine without 
slowly decreasing it. Sorry to babble just want to warn anyone heading that way!
   
   


[QUAD-L] Drug curbs bone loss after spinal cord injury

2007-05-07 Thread KK
Drug curbs bone loss after spinal cord injury
Mon May 7, 2007 11:36AM EDT
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - The bone drug Fosamax (also called alendronate) 
given
soon after spinal cord injury prevents bone loss associated with the injury, a 
study
suggests.

People who've suffered spinal cord injury are at risk for rapid bone loss 
occurring
below the level of the injury due to an increase in the harmful process of bone
resorption as well as impaired bone formation, thereby predisposing them to
osteoporosis and bone fractures.

In their study, Dr. Nigel L. Gilchrist, of The Princess Margaret Hospital,
Christchurch, New Zealand, and colleagues randomly assigned 31 spinal cord 
injury
patients to Fosamax (70 milligrams per week) or placebo, within 10 days of 
injury,
for 12 months.

The team measured bone mineral density (BMD) at various sites including the 
lumbar
spine, hip, femoral neck (the area where thigh bone meets the hip) and total 
body at
the start of treatment and at 3, 6, 12, and 18 months.

The researchers observed significant changes favoring the Fosamax group for 
five of
six total body BMD measurements across 18 months.

In this study, write the authors, preservation of BMD with alendronate was 
clearly
demonstrated.

Whether such treatment prevents lower limb fractures in the longer term 
remains to
be investigated, they note.

SOURCE: Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, April 2007.




RE: [QUAD-L] hey!

2007-05-07 Thread RollinOn
Hey LQ,

Glad to see you’re still kickin, I read you had the pump removed and I’m
sorry it didn’t work for you.

I was going to get a pump myself but they told me Medicaid won’t pay for it
so I’m S.O.L.

 

Good to hear from you,

 

Mark Jackson

   RollinOn

 

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Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 5:04 PM
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Subject: [QUAD-L] hey!

 

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[QUAD-L] hey!

2007-05-07 Thread wheelchair
 
Did I read right.  She had the pump removed or just operating on  Baclofen
W
 
 
 
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Hey  LQ, 
Glad to see you’re  still kickin, I read you had the pump removed and I’m 
sorry it didn’t work for  you. 
I was going to get a  pump myself but they told me Medicaid won’t pay for it 
so I’m  S.O.L. 
Good to hear from  you, 
 
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Re: [QUAD-L] hey!

2007-05-07 Thread ~LittleQuad~
I still have pump, just had morphine out. I'm done with pain meds...
  Mark, they covered me. Could be the doctor office not writing pre-approval 
right?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Did I read right.  She had the pump removed or just operating on 
Baclofen
  W
   
   
   
  In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:05:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
Hey LQ,
  Glad to see you’re still kickin, I read you had the pump removed and I’m 
sorry it didn’t work for you.
  I was going to get a pump myself but they told me Medicaid won’t pay for it 
so I’m S.O.L.
   
  Good to hear from you,
   
Mark Jackson
 RollinOn

   

  
   




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Re: [QUAD-L] hey!- SNX111 by NervX

2007-05-07 Thread wheelchair
 
I've been following a product introduced almost 5 years ago but is waiting  
FDA approval called SNX111 by NervX.  Suppose to be 5 times more powerful  than 
the Big Morph and without the side effects.
W
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:17:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I still have pump, just had morphine out. I'm done with pain  meds...
Mark, they covered me. Could be the doctor office not writing  pre-approval 
right?

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Re: [QUAD-L] hypothyroid

2007-05-07 Thread John S.
Yea Jessica, If you do a test on most of your glands they will have abnormal 
numbers. A severe spinal injury up high usually messes up hypothalmus, 
pituitarym, thyroid, adrenal glands as well as a few others. Some of us can 
cruise along ok most of the time. The idea of using drugs to correct these 
hormonal malfunctions is mixed in a complex arguement. If you check at other 
times you may find your Thyroid gland functioning or even overfunctioning. this 
is where it gets real complicated because some doctors think your better off 
without complicating your situation without the tons of pills you may need to 
keep your numbers in normal ranges. The SCI wrecked your pituitary and 
thalmus glands. In a domino effect your thyroid and other glands no longer 
function properly.
Hormones have a lot to do with our nerves and brain cells that effect 
everything from digestion to mood and some doctors feel that imbalances can 
explain bipolar like behavior. 
I'd sure like to hear if theres any new ideas in this topic. If treating your 
hypothyroidism works, what are the dangers of hyperthyroidism? Your pituitary 
and thalmus glands can have very similar effects to your thyroid. If those work 
at all, I would be surprized. 

john



- Original Message 
From: Jessica Ann Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2007 9:40:16 AM
Subject: [QUAD-L] hypothyroid


hi all --

i just received a call from the doc after having some blood work done  
last week. apparently i have hypothyroidism -- or an underactive  
thyroid.   they told me my levels are abnormally low. there's a small  
chance it is a lab error but most likely not. i was just reading  
about hypothyroid online and found that i have many of the symptoms  
which i had always thought were due to my SCI. for example: fatigue,  
weakness, increased difficulty losing weight, hair loss, COLD  
INTOLERANCE, depression, irritability, memory loss, abnormal  
menstrual cycle, and decreased libido.

so my question is -- has anyone else been diagnosed w/  
hypothyroidism? and could it be related to SCI? i've been told in  
most cases it is easily treatable w/ medication so i hope i fall into  
that category. i'll find out more tomorrow morning when i go to the  
doctor.

=jessica

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RE: [QUAD-L] hey!- SNX111 by NervX

2007-05-07 Thread RollinOn
Yeah Wheel I’ve been waiting on this too, it’s from a sea snail I believe
and a whole lot more potent than morphine so it takes very little for
relief.

Let me know if you hear some news on it.

 

Mark Jackson

   RollinOn

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 2:20 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] hey!- SNX111 by NervX

 

I've been following a product introduced almost 5 years ago but is waiting
FDA approval called SNX111 by NervX.  Suppose to be 5 times more powerful
than the Big Morph and without the side effects.

W

 

 

 

 

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I still have pump, just had morphine out. I'm done with pain meds...

Mark, they covered me. Could be the doctor office not writing pre-approval
right?

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[QUAD-L] drugs

2007-05-07 Thread hecedman

People fror crying out loud... don't do drugs!



Re: [QUAD-L] Morphine withdrawal

2007-05-07 Thread delimited4
I've been taking hydrocodone for a few years and uhm, no! I wouldn't go cold 
turkey for nothing. If you had a pump inside the doctor should have helped you 
taper off. It will be a few weeks of hell the way your doing it. I wish you the 
best but I wish you would have gotten something to help you taper off. This 
could easily cause you to go into autonomic dysreflexia. You are just 
beginning. Call your doctor and ask about some methadone to help you quit. One 
mg. isn't a lot but if your addicted to it, You are addicted to it. Doesn't 
your Doctor like you? (Btw, miralax works for the tummy trouble.)
I wish you the best of luck. I wish you a few hydrocodone to taper off with, 
too.
 
john 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: quad-list@eskimo.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:00 AM
Subject: [QUAD-L] Morphine withdrawal


   Curious if any of you with pumps ever requested the morphine be taken out? I 
did that this last Thursday and it was an unbelievably overwhelming and rough 
weekend. They didn't 'actually' warm me of the withdrawal symptoms but having 
been a patient this long common sense told me there would be some. I was on 1mg 
for 24 hours, not a lot for most, but 88 pound body it apparently was! Anyway 
the morphine wasn't doing anything but causing major tummy troubles so I wanted 
to decease it. 
   Friday was fine. Friday night turned into hell. My legs were twitching 
uncontrollably, not caring who or what they hit. There was excruciating leg 
pain, as if my muscles were literally contracting more each second. Around 6 am 
after being up almost 18 hours, I had my first sneeze attack, weird I know! 11 
TIMES! I got out of bed and the legs quit twitching because of the pressure. I 
was extremely weak, nauseated and sleepy. Nothing seemed to keep my mind busy 
enough. So I went outside and the sneezing took over, 12, 15, sometimes 8 in a 
row. Heart rate and blood pressure were elevated and no appetite at all. Now I 
know why coke addicts are so thin! Every other sip was coming up. If I hadn't 
had left over oral baclofen i may not have made it.  Moods were up and down and 
weird too!
   Saturday night wasn't any better. My legs were even worse on jumping. I was 
hot then cold, my nose was stopping up. Everyone thought I might end up in the 
hospital as no one was getting sleep. I was up every 20 minutes until I finally 
just let my legs jump until they stopped. Sometimes an hour would pass and I 
would settle down and sleep.
   Sunday morning didn't come fast enough! Those of you who know me KNOW i 
don't get out of bed early and I was in my chair by 7:30am. So I laid in my 
chair around the house, yard and anywhere there was someone awake! Around 11am 
I laid down on the bed and my legs hardly moved! WOHOO! But after a fast 45 
minute nap, I woke up with the worst headache Ive had since they put my halo on 
in 98! Right back up, and it settled with Tylenol.
   So I repeated Saturday on Sunday with a stopped up nose. Then bed time at 7, 
hopping from beds, hard one to soft one...my legs laid there and cramped but no 
twitching. So it was peaceful. This morning I was awake at 6am again but in 
chair by 830am. I'm really weak today, very alert and doing better. Plan on 
giving my doctor's office three shades of hell on Wednesday!
   So word to the wise, be well prepared if you go off morphine without slowly 
decreasing it. Sorry to babble just want to warn anyone heading that way!
 
 

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Re: [QUAD-L] Drug curbs bone loss after spinal cord injury

2007-05-07 Thread delimited4
I wonder what it does after 31 years post injury. 
 
john
 
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:51 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] Drug curbs bone loss after spinal cord injury


Drug curbs bone loss after spinal cord injury
Mon May 7, 2007 11:36AM EDT
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - The bone drug Fosamax (also called alendronate) 
given
soon after spinal cord injury prevents bone loss associated with the injury, a 
study
suggests.

People who've suffered spinal cord injury are at risk for rapid bone loss 
occurring
below the level of the injury due to an increase in the harmful process of bone
resorption as well as impaired bone formation, thereby predisposing them to
osteoporosis and bone fractures.

In their study, Dr. Nigel L. Gilchrist, of The Princess Margaret Hospital,
Christchurch, New Zealand, and colleagues randomly assigned 31 spinal cord 
injury
patients to Fosamax (70 milligrams per week) or placebo, within 10 days of 
injury,
for 12 months.

The team measured bone mineral density (BMD) at various sites including the 
lumbar
spine, hip, femoral neck (the area where thigh bone meets the hip) and total 
body at
the start of treatment and at 3, 6, 12, and 18 months.

The researchers observed significant changes favoring the Fosamax group for 
five 
of
six total body BMD measurements across 18 months.

In this study, write the authors, preservation of BMD with alendronate was 
clearly
demonstrated.

Whether such treatment prevents lower limb fractures in the longer term 
remains 
to
be investigated, they note.

SOURCE: Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, April 2007.

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Re: [QUAD-L] Morphine withdrawal

2007-05-07 Thread ~LittleQuad~
thanks for the wishes... i was surprised they didn't taper either but i guess 
when i said i didn't want the morphine anymore they thought immediately. so far 
today my brain is in control, body weak...i wouldn't say i was addicted to it, 
maybe subconsciously my body was...
they mentioned putting dilotid in next time...but i've had oral pills of it and 
didn't do anythng, so i'm just going stick with my baclofen..
   
  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
I've been taking hydrocodone for a few years and uhm, no! I wouldn't go 
cold turkey for nothing. If you had a pump inside the doctor should have helped 
you taper off. It will be a few weeks of hell the way your doing it. I wish you 
the best but I wish you would have gotten something to help you taper off. This 
could easily cause you to go into autonomic dysreflexia. You are just 
beginning. Call your doctor and ask about some methadone to help you quit. One 
mg. isn't a lot but if your addicted to it, You are addicted to it. Doesn't 
your Doctor like you? (Btw, miralax works for the tummy trouble.)
  I wish you the best of luck. I wish you a few hydrocodone to taper off with, 
too.
   
  john 
   
 
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To: quad-list@eskimo.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:00 AM
Subject: [QUAD-L] Morphine withdrawal

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taken out? I did that this last Thursday and it was an unbelievably 
overwhelming and rough weekend. They didn't 'actually' warm me of the 
withdrawal symptoms but having been a patient this long common sense told me 
there would be some. I was on 1mg for 24 hours, not a lot for most, but 88 
pound body it apparently was! Anyway the morphine wasn't doing anything but 
causing major tummy
 troubles so I wanted to decease it. 
 Friday was fine. Friday night turned into hell. My legs were twitching 
uncontrollably, not caring who or what they hit. There was excruciating leg 
pain, as if my muscles were literally contracting more each second. Around 6 am 
after being up almost 18 hours, I had my first sneeze attack, weird I know! 11 
TIMES! I got out of bed and the legs quit twitching because of the pressure. I 
was extremely weak, nauseated and sleepy. Nothing seemed to keep my mind busy 
enough. So I went outside and the sneezing took over, 12, 15, sometimes 8 in a 
row. Heart rate and blood pressure were elevated and no appetite at all. Now I 
know why coke addicts are so thin! Every other sip was coming up. If I hadn't 
had left over oral baclofen i may not have made it.  Moods were up and down and 
weird too!
 Saturday night wasn't any better. My legs were even worse on jumping. I 
was hot then cold, my nose was stopping up. Everyone thought I might end up in 
the hospital as no one was getting sleep. I was up every 20 minutes until I 
finally just let my legs jump until they stopped. Sometimes an hour would pass 
and I would settle down and sleep.
 Sunday morning didn't come fast enough! Those of you who know me KNOW i 
don't get out of bed early and I was in my chair by 7:30am. So I laid in my 
chair around the house, yard and anywhere there was someone awake! Around 11am 
I laid down on the bed and my legs hardly moved! WOHOO! But after a fast 45 
minute nap, I woke up with the worst headache Ive had since they put my halo on 
in 98! Right back up, and it settled with Tylenol.
 So I repeated Saturday on 

RE: [QUAD-L] hey!- SNX111 by NervX

2007-05-07 Thread ~LittleQuad~
heard same too...but costing over billion dollars to make 1 med available...i'm 
not holding breath

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this too, it’s from a sea snail I believe and a whole lot more potent than 
morphine so it takes very little for relief.
  Let me know if you hear some news on it.
   
Mark Jackson
 RollinOn

   
  
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Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] hey!- SNX111 by NervX

   
  I've been following a product introduced almost 5 years ago but is 
waiting FDA approval called SNX111 by NervX.  Suppose to be 5 times more 
powerful than the Big Morph and without the side effects.

W

 

 

 

 

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PROTECTED] writes:

  I still have pump, just had morphine out. I'm done with pain meds...

Mark, they covered me. Could be the doctor office not writing pre-approval 
right?

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Re: [QUAD-L] drugs

2007-05-07 Thread delimited4
Excuse  me, but I'll do drugs till I die. Manby of us are surviving because 
baclofen reduces our muscle spasms to a degree that helps us to live with some 
comfort. Many quads are living with profound pain caused by the long term 
irregular flow of spinal fluid post injury. Many of us have pain caused by  
near constant UTI's from internal catheters. There is no reason why quads 
should live in misery because someone else can't feel the pain that has become 
a constant companion in life. I agree it is wrong to abuse drugs, but no doctor 
would ask a patient to just grin and bear it. pain will kill you if you don't 
treat it. Your blood preasure shoots up, you stroke and your heart goes down 
and you die. Most quadriplegics can actually prove the medical value of 
marijuana as a short term nerve pain medicine. I doubt any of us are taking 
drugs we don't need.
People, take your drugs wisely!
 
john 31 years post, C-5   
 
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Re: [QUAD-L] Morphine withdrawal

2007-05-07 Thread Bill_J
Very typical withdrawal symptoms.  Throwing duragesic down only masks the 
withdrawal and could intensify the symptoms.  Sometimes you need professional 
help.  I'd advise seeing a doctor.

Bill age 56
C6 Incomplete since 7/20/68
Leesburg, FL
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  - Original Message - 
  From: ~LittleQuad~ 
  To: Quad-list post ; Amy Elizabeth Thomas 
  Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 11:00 AM
  Subject: [QUAD-L] Morphine withdrawal


 Curious if any of you with pumps ever requested the morphine be taken out? 
I did that this last Thursday and it was an unbelievably overwhelming and rough 
weekend. They didn't 'actually' warm me of the withdrawal symptoms but having 
been a patient this long common sense told me there would be some. I was on 1mg 
for 24 hours, not a lot for most, but 88 pound body it apparently was! Anyway 
the morphine wasn't doing anything but causing major tummy troubles so I wanted 
to decease it. 
 Friday was fine. Friday night turned into hell. My legs were twitching 
uncontrollably, not caring who or what they hit. There was excruciating leg 
pain, as if my muscles were literally contracting more each second. Around 6 am 
after being up almost 18 hours, I had my first sneeze attack, weird I know! 11 
TIMES! I got out of bed and the legs quit twitching because of the pressure. I 
was extremely weak, nauseated and sleepy. Nothing seemed to keep my mind busy 
enough. So I went outside and the sneezing took over, 12, 15, sometimes 8 in a 
row. Heart rate and blood pressure were elevated and no appetite at all. Now I 
know why coke addicts are so thin! Every other sip was coming up. If I hadn't 
had left over oral baclofen i may not have made it.  Moods were up and down and 
weird too!
 Saturday night wasn't any better. My legs were even worse on jumping. I 
was hot then cold, my nose was stopping up. Everyone thought I might end up in 
the hospital as no one was getting sleep. I was up every 20 minutes until I 
finally just let my legs jump until they stopped. Sometimes an hour would pass 
and I would settle down and sleep.
 Sunday morning didn't come fast enough! Those of you who know me KNOW i 
don't get out of bed early and I was in my chair by 7:30am. So I laid in my 
chair around the house, yard and anywhere there was someone awake! Around 11am 
I laid down on the bed and my legs hardly moved! WOHOO! But after a fast 45 
minute nap, I woke up with the worst headache Ive had since they put my halo on 
in 98! Right back up, and it settled with Tylenol.
 So I repeated Saturday on Sunday with a stopped up nose. Then bed time at 
7, hopping from beds, hard one to soft one...my legs laid there and cramped but 
no twitching. So it was peaceful. This morning I was awake at 6am again but in 
chair by 830am. I'm really weak today, very alert and doing better. Plan on 
giving my doctor's office three shades of hell on Wednesday!
 So word to the wise, be well prepared if you go off morphine without 
slowly decreasing it. Sorry to babble just want to warn anyone heading that way!



Re: [QUAD-L] Morphine withdrawal

2007-05-07 Thread ~LittleQuad~
i know that...been on baclofen years. and the withdrawal is done ...i was 
saying i'm only going have baclofen in my pump now on...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Morphine is an opiate and baclofen isn't. It can't 
help you get off the morphine hun. You can back off in about a month using 
hydrocodone in small doses and as needed. This isn't a psychologic addiction, 
it is physical. I'm glad your not quiting a higher dose, but you still don't 
want to 911 because your nerves are freaking out. It isn't fair to those you 
live with because they have to worry so. 
Good  luck with whatever you decide.
   
  john
   
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, 7 May 2007 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Morphine withdrawal

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}  thanks for the wishes... i was surprised they didn't taper either 
but i guess when i said i didn't want the morphine anymore they thought 
immediately. so far today my brain is in control, body weak...i wouldn't say i 
was addicted to it, maybe subconsciously my body was...
they mentioned putting dilotid in next time...but i've had oral pills of it and 
didn't do anythng, so i'm just going stick with my baclofen..
   
  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
I've been taking hydrocodone for a few years and uhm, no! I wouldn't go 
cold turkey for nothing. If you had a pump inside the doctor should have helped 
you taper off. It will be a few weeks of hell the way your doing it. I wish you 
the best but I wish you would have gotten something to help you taper off. This 
could easily cause you to go into autonomic dysreflexia. You are just 
beginning. Call your doctor and ask about some methadone to help you quit. One 
mg. isn't a lot but if your addicted to it, You are addicted to it. Doesn't 
your Doctor like you? (Btw, miralax works for the tummy trouble.)
  I wish you the best of luck. I wish you a few hydrocodone to taper off with, 
too.
   
  john 
   
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: quad-list@eskimo.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:00 AM
Subject: [QUAD-L] Morphine withdrawal

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[QUAD-L] Morphine withdrawal vs Baclofen

2007-05-07 Thread wheelchair
 
The same can happen with sudden stoppage of Baclofen too.  Ask anyone  who 
tried.
W
 
In a message dated 5/7/2007 4:24:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

i know  that...been on baclofen years. and the withdrawal is done ...i 
was saying  i'm only going have baclofen in my pump now  on...








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Re: [QUAD-L] hey!

2007-05-07 Thread David K. Kelmer
Hi LQ,
   
  Welcome to Summer!  I hope you are doing well, and can enjoy the break!  Not 
a lot happening here.  Just letting my surgical would healing so I can get back 
up and play!
   
  Nice to see you!  
   
  With Love,
  
CtrlAltDel aka Dave
C4/5 Complete - 31 Years Post
   
  Texas, USA
  

~LittleQuad~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  been awhile..how is everyone.what did i miss?


Re: [QUAD-L] Morphine withdrawal

2007-05-07 Thread David K. Kelmer
No, never had a pump.  That is why I only use orally delivered pain meds.  I 
can cut back a little anytime.  You're lucky it wasn't worse, because it can 
get very bad going cold turkey.  I'm happy you made it through.
   
  With Love,
  
CtrlAltDel aka Dave
C4/5 Complete - 31 Years Post
   
  Texas, USA
  

~LittleQuad~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Curious if any of you with pumps ever requested the morphine be taken 
out? I did that this last Thursday and it was an unbelievably overwhelming and 
rough weekend. They didn't 'actually' warm me of the withdrawal symptoms but 
having been a patient this long common sense told me there would be some. I was 
on 1mg for 24 hours, not a lot for most, but 88 pound body it apparently was! 
Anyway the morphine wasn't doing anything but causing major tummy troubles so I 
wanted to decease it. 
 Friday was fine. Friday night turned into hell. My legs were twitching 
uncontrollably, not caring who or what they hit. There was excruciating leg 
pain, as if my muscles were literally contracting more each second. Around 6 am 
after being up almost 18 hours, I had my first sneeze attack, weird I know! 11 
TIMES! I got out of bed and the legs quit twitching because of the pressure. I 
was extremely weak, nauseated and sleepy. Nothing seemed to keep my mind busy 
enough. So I went outside and the sneezing took over, 12, 15, sometimes 8 in a 
row. Heart rate and blood pressure were elevated and no appetite at all. Now I 
know why coke addicts are so thin! Every other sip was coming up. If I hadn't 
had left over oral baclofen i may not have made it.  Moods were up and down and 
weird too!
 Saturday night wasn't any better. My legs were even worse on jumping. I 
was hot then cold, my nose was stopping up. Everyone thought I might end up in 
the hospital as no one was getting sleep. I was up every 20 minutes until I 
finally just let my legs jump until they stopped. Sometimes an hour would pass 
and I would settle down and sleep.
 Sunday morning didn't come fast enough! Those of you who know me KNOW i 
don't get out of bed early and I was in my chair by 7:30am. So I laid in my 
chair around the house, yard and anywhere there was someone awake! Around 11am 
I laid down on the bed and my legs hardly moved! WOHOO! But after a fast 45 
minute nap, I woke up with the worst headache Ive had since they put my halo on 
in 98! Right back up, and it settled with Tylenol.
 So I repeated Saturday on Sunday with a stopped up nose. Then bed time at 
7, hopping from beds, hard one to soft one...my legs laid there and cramped but 
no twitching. So it was peaceful. This morning I was awake at 6am again but in 
chair by 830am. I'm really weak today, very alert and doing better. Plan on 
giving my doctor's office three shades of hell on Wednesday!
 So word to the wise, be well prepared if you go off morphine without 
slowly decreasing it. Sorry to babble just want to warn anyone heading that way!
   
   



Re: [QUAD-L] Behind the Head Microphone

2007-05-07 Thread Quadius

I'm not able to put anything on by myself, but my PCA puts it on and I wear
it through the entire day.
It is very comfortable.
Quadius
On 5/4/07, Merrill Burghardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Can you put the ear piece on by yourself?



Merrill


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*From:* Quadius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:50 PM
*To:* Merrill Burghardt
*Subject:* Re: [QUAD-L] Behind the Head Microphone



The microphone does have an ear loop which sits securely on my ear and
stays in the position you saw on the picture.
As for the Peachtree, it is not really visible in that picture.
I will try to paste a picture of me in my wheelchair that has a better
view of the Peachtree, but keep in mind this is an older model.  The new
ones to look very similar, but they are not nearly as good.  However, if you
have never used one it may be okay for you.  I am plain spoiled by the older
model.
Quadius
this picture was taken about five or six years ago.


http://www.billy-paul.blinkz.com/albums/thumbnails/68538.htm#photo_675014



On 5/1/07, *Merrill Burghardt* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quadius, what you are wearing looks like there is an ear loop?  Is this
your final pic, and if so, it is simply a Peachtree?



Merrill


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*From:* Quadius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Sent:* Monday, April 30, 2007 5:40 PM
*To:* Dan T
*Cc:* quad-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: [QUAD-L] Behind the Head Microphone



I purchased one and had difficulty with it, but it may be something that
wouldn't bother you.
Since I use a Peachtree headrest and it is rather firm in back, every time
I leaned my head back the back of the microphone move the boom and it became
uncomfortable, not to mention out of position.

I received a less expensive headset with a bendable boom the other day and
I was wearing it around my neck with the boom turned up toward my mouth.  I
wore it for about four hours and it felt much more comfortable than the
behind the head microphones.  The most comfortable one I have worn so far is
the Plantronics CS 50 USB, but it has a battery life of eight hours.  If you
have the ability to take it off, it is definitely worth the money.

I read something about the RadioShack behind the head microphone being
pretty decent and a lot less expensive than the high-end models offered on
some of the voice technology websites.
Hope this helps, but I wouldn't go by my opinion alone.
Quadius

 This is a picture of the Plantronics mike on my face.  Please excuse the
fat face and scraggly gray hair.
Quadius



On 4/29/07, *Dan T*  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Has anyone had good/bad experiences with some microphones that Mount
behind the head? are they comfortable, uncomfortable.  Dan T.







Re: [QUAD-L] Drug curbs bone loss after spinal cord injury

2007-05-07 Thread Quadius

My bone density test showed that I had actually improved over the last one
three years ago.  Of course, that was only the lumbar region.
At least that's what I think they x-rayed.
Quadius

On 5/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I wonder what it does after 31 years post injury.

john


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:51 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] Drug curbs bone loss after spinal cord injury

Drug curbs bone loss after spinal cord injury
Mon May 7, 2007 11:36AM EDT
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - The bone drug Fosamax (also called alendronate)
given
soon after spinal cord injury prevents bone loss associated with the injury, a
study
suggests.

People who've suffered spinal cord injury are at risk for rapid bone loss
occurring
below the level of the injury due to an increase in the harmful process of bone
resorption as well as impaired bone formation, thereby predisposing them to
osteoporosis and bone fractures.

In their study, Dr. Nigel L. Gilchrist, of The Princess Margaret Hospital,
Christchurch, New Zealand, and colleagues randomly assigned 31 spinal cord
injury
patients to Fosamax (70 milligrams per week) or placebo, within 10 days of
injury,
for 12 months.

The team measured bone mineral density (BMD) at various sites including the
lumbar
spine, hip, femoral neck (the area where thigh bone meets the hip) and total
body at
the start of treatment and at 3, 6, 12, and 18 months.

The researchers observed significant changes favoring the Fosamax group for five
of
six total body BMD measurements across 18 months.

In this study, write the authors, preservation of BMD with alendronate was
clearly
demonstrated.

Whether such treatment prevents lower limb fractures in the longer term remains
to
be investigated, they note.

SOURCE: Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, April 2007.



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Re: [QUAD-L] drugs

2007-05-07 Thread Quadius

Amen

On 5/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Excuse  me, but I'll do drugs till I die. Manby of us are surviving
because baclofen reduces our muscle spasms to a degree that helps us to live
with some comfort. Many quads are living with profound pain caused by the
long term irregular flow of spinal fluid post injury. Many of us have pain
caused by  near constant UTI's from internal catheters. There is no reason
why quads should live in misery because someone else can't feel the pain
that has become a constant companion in life. I agree it is wrong to abuse
drugs, but no doctor would ask a patient to just grin and bear it. pain will
kill you if you don't treat it. Your blood preasure shoots up, you stroke
and your heart goes down and you die. Most quadriplegics can actually prove
the medical value of marijuana as a short term nerve pain medicine. I doubt
any of us are taking drugs we don't need.
People, take your drugs wisely!

john 31 years post, C-5


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, 7 May 2007 3:48 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] drugs

People fror crying out loud... don't do drugs!


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[QUAD-L] Fish oil

2007-05-07 Thread Quadius

I forgot to ask my doctor whether it was okay to take the fish oil I
purchased a couple of weeks ago.  My understanding is it is good for the
heart and people have recommended taking it.  However, I take an 81 mg
aspirin every other day to keep my blood on the thin side, so I'm wondering
what if it would be wise to start such a product without asking first.
Quadius


[QUAD-L] Fish oil

2007-05-07 Thread wheelchair
 
Smart thinking and a very wise thing to do.  Ask your Grandpa about  the 
beneficial use of a product called
Cod Liver Oil.  A teaspoon every other day.  Kids used to pinch  their noses, 
so they couldn't taste the stuff, lol.
But there are no historical records that say anyone died from using  it.  
Just make sure your doctor knows.
Best Wishes
W
 
 
In a message dated 5/7/2007 8:15:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I forgot  to ask my doctor whether it was okay to take the fish oil I 
purchased a couple  of weeks ago.  My understanding is it is good for the heart 
and 
people  have recommended taking it.  However, I take an 81 mg aspirin every 
other  day to keep my blood on the thin side, so I'm wondering what if it would 
be  wise to start such a product without asking first. 
Quadius 


 



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RE: [QUAD-L] drugs

2007-05-07 Thread RollinOn
You know it’s impossible to explain to someone that doesn’t have this pain
how it hurts without sounding ridiculous, I mean when I tell someone I feel
like a thousand people are putting out their cigarettes on me even I don’t
believe it but it’s true.

Just be glad you’re not trying to explain it.

 

 

 

Mark Jackson

   RollinOn

 

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From: Quadius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 8:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] drugs

 

Amen

On 5/7/07, HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Excuse  me, but I'll do drugs till I die. Manby of us are surviving because
baclofen reduces our muscle spasms to a degree that helps us to live with
some comfort. Many quads are living with profound pain caused by the long
term irregular flow of spinal fluid post injury. Many of us have pain caused
by  near constant UTI's from internal catheters. There is no reason why
quads should live in misery because someone else can't feel the pain that
has become a constant companion in life. I agree it is wrong to abuse drugs,
but no doctor would ask a patient to just grin and bear it. pain will kill
you if you don't treat it. Your blood preasure shoots up, you stroke and
your heart goes down and you die. Most quadriplegics can actually prove the
medical value of marijuana as a short term nerve pain medicine. I doubt any
of us are taking drugs we don't need. 

People, take your drugs wisely!

 

john 31 years post, C-5  

 

 
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Subject: [QUAD-L] drugs

People fror crying out loud... don't do drugs! 
 
 

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[QUAD-L] Pain one of the most personal battles

2007-05-07 Thread RONALD L PRACHT
Hey,
   
  I read the arrogant comment to stay off drugs. Wellobviously this person 
has no real pain because let me tell you this much, if you are in serious pain 
that puts you in bed moaning and crying...you will try drugs.
   
  People that have little or no pain think that those that use drugs are weak 
addicts. This is flawed thinking. If you are in bed 5 days a week with pain, 
and with drugs you are able to function just lets say two more days it is worth 
it. 
   
  None of us are going to live forever, so making the time we have more 
productive and happy is the name of the game. 
   
  Life is about doing what you gotta do, moreso with spinal injury.
   
   
  Ron  c7 


Re: [QUAD-L] Behind the Head Microphone

2007-05-07 Thread Dan T
Do you alternate which ear you put the microphone in?
Are you saying it never falls out?
Quadius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
I'm not able to put anything on by myself, but my PCA puts it on and I wear it 
through the entire day.
It is very comfortable.
Quadius
  On 5/4/07, Merrill Burghardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you put 
the ear piece on by yourself?
   
  Merrill
   
  
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  From: Quadius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:50 PM 
To: Merrill Burghardt
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Behind the Head Microphone

   
The microphone does have an ear loop which sits securely on my ear and 
stays in the position you saw on the picture.
As for the Peachtree, it is not really visible in that picture. 
I will try to paste a picture of me in my wheelchair that has a better view of 
the Peachtree, but keep in mind this is an older model.  The new ones to look 
very similar, but they are not nearly as good.  However, if you have never used 
one it may be okay for you.  I am plain spoiled by the older model. 
Quadius
this picture was taken about five or six years ago.



 

On 5/1/07, Merrill Burghardt  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  Quadius, what you are wearing looks like there is an ear loop?  Is this 
your final pic, and if so, it is simply a Peachtree? 
   
  Merrill
   

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  From: Quadius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:40 PM 
To: Dan T
Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Behind the Head Microphone

 
  I purchased one and had difficulty with it, but it may be something that 
wouldn't bother you.
Since I use a Peachtree headrest and it is rather firm in back, every time I 
leaned my head back the back of the microphone move the boom and it became 
uncomfortable, not to mention out of position. 
  I received a less expensive headset with a bendable boom the other day and I 
was wearing it around my neck with the boom turned up toward my mouth.  I wore 
it for about four hours and it felt much more comfortable than the behind the 
head microphones.  The most comfortable one I have worn so far is the 
Plantronics CS 50 USB, but it has a battery life of eight hours.  If you have 
the ability to take it off, it is definitely worth the money. 
  I read something about the RadioShack behind the head microphone being pretty 
decent and a lot less expensive than the high-end models offered on some of the 
voice technology websites. 
Hope this helps, but I wouldn't go by my opinion alone. 
Quadius


This is a picture of the Plantronics mike on my face.  Please excuse the 
fat face and scraggly gray hair.
Quadius

 

On 4/29/07, Dan T  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  Has anyone had good/bad experiences with some microphones that Mount behind 
the head? are they comfortable, uncomfortable.  Dan T.