my first post

2002-07-28 Thread catalina_eddie

Hi Steven,

I just recently read in the Mac Bible that the power switch is never totally
OFF. There is a trickle charge that keeps the PRAM battery charged up. If
you don't keep power to the  back of the mac it can let your battery run
down. Does anybody know anythinng about this?

Don Erdmann, Vancouver, USA

i unplugged it, let it sit there unplugged for about 3weeks, moved it to
another room...an now no powerup.
I've tried many various power leads, 3 keyboards, tested the p/s fuse,
jiggled the leads for the keyswitch to board and the p/s to the board,
the batt reads 2.4ish volts (fine i think?)

i haven't tried to boot up with the ppc card removed yet. ??

I think that the machine should powerup from keyboard alone. ie. no hds,
monitor, periphs, or ram even. is this correct?

hope someone can help
thanks quadders, from steven.



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Re: Old Mac

2002-07-28 Thread Tina Holm

At 18:20 -0700 27/07/02, Jim Lunceford wrote:
I didn't know they weren't avaikable. Do they make PCI adapters for NuBus?
Also a question I dont know the answer to.

I've never found them anywhere, but I just _know_ that I've read about them
in some old Mac magazine. SOmeone told me that they were only available for
some of the old clones, and that they will not work in real Macs.

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Quadra - Epson printer

2002-07-28 Thread Mark McCague

Thats why I got the Epson 750. Last printer I could find (in my part of the
world) that has a Apple serial port. It was bought to replace a Personal
LaserWriter LS which stopped working and which the repair shop lost. Other
than work processing I can't really think what to use the Quadra for. Its
too slow for a MP3 server or encoding machine. Besides the 9500 I have has
the advantage of PCI slots so it can take a USB card, which makes it
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Mac Collection and Addiction

2002-07-28 Thread sanfranmike

I'd say it sounds more like Obsessive/Compulsive than an
addiction.

;)
Mike


Paul Noss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In some ways it is.  An addiction is when a person
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money on something than he or she can afford.  I think I
tend to do that.
For example, I should have stopped collecting Macs when
I reached my initial
goal of getting all of the 68030 machines, but then I
went on to collect all
compact Macs, then Apple II machines, and started to
collect about five of
the Quadra machines. I've also started collecting 603  
 and 604 machines. 

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Re: Mac Collection and Addiction

2002-07-28 Thread edjones

Does mac addiction have an ICD10 classification ?


 I was surprised at how many posts were about people feeling they had too
 many Macs and some people wondering if it was some sort of addiction.

 I have this problem myself.  I'm a psychology professor and one of my
areas
 of expertise is drug addiction.






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Re: Mac Collection and Addiction

2002-07-28 Thread edjones

I can relate to this.
Mac addiction for me is having at least 10 Macs and countless nubus cards
sitting around, with technical skills that are dated.
At least it is a *safe* addiction. That and 68k Macs in the UK are next to
worthless now.

Ed

 Mine is an addiction, of some form or another - it's a replacement for
 my smoking habit... I gave up a 2-pack-a-day habit a bit over  a year
 ago, in exchange for going mental with the collection. It's a cheaper
 habit than smoking, so I can afford it financially, and it's a cheap
 habit healthwise (unless chewing on pram batteries somehow turns into a
 health risk.. j/k :). It's a cheap habit timewise, in one sense - in
 that it's my hobby and passion, and is part of the dozens of things that
 keep life enjoyable :). Where it's damaging, is my skills as a tech type
 are becoming more and more refined to point back around 10 years or so.
 That's an expense in its own, more than in a simple monetary or time
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Yellowing Macs

2002-07-28 Thread edjones

Does anyone know how to clean a yellowing Mac up ?


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Re: Old Mac

2002-07-28 Thread the pickle

At 13:29 +0200 on 28/07/02, Tina Holm wrote:

At 18:20 -0700 27/07/02, Jim Lunceford wrote:
I didn't know they weren't avaikable. Do they make PCI adapters for NuBus?
Also a question I dont know the answer to.

I've never found them anywhere, but I just _know_ that I've read about them
in some old Mac magazine. SOmeone told me that they were only available for
some of the old clones, and that they will not work in real Macs.

The closest thing there's ever been was the NuBus/PCI riser card for the
first generation of Power Computing clones, and it doesn't work in anything
but those machines.

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Re: Yellowing Macs

2002-07-28 Thread the pickle

At 17:25 +0100 on 28/07/02, edjones wrote:

Does anyone know how to clean a yellowing Mac up ?

Yep.  Bleach.  The FAQ has the procedure.

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Re: new thread, not sure what(AOL 2.7)

2002-07-28 Thread SaulBro

I wrote:

AOL 2.7 supportwe don't need no stinkin' support!

the pickle replied:


As I understood it, they weren't just dropping support - they were
dropping the functionality required to even *use* AOL 2.x and earlier with
the current AOL server-side software.

Oh, I see what you mean(bummer).   Well, I know you can't do much with AOL 
2.x besides e-mail and usenet/newsgroups, but it has always worked for me on 
older/RAM-starved Macs.   I have *not* tried 2.7 lately(in the last 6 months 
or more), so perhaps I'd better do that,  so I'll know whether or not I can 
check my e-mail with my Plus or Outbound notebook if I ever need to.

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Re: Newsreader for Q950

2002-07-28 Thread the pickle

At 21:40 +0300 on 28/07/02, Artur Yelchishchev wrote:

My preferred newsreader on PC platform is Forte Agent, so it would be
great if some Mac program will have similar capabilities/interface, too.

See if any of the 68K-compatible newsreaders listed at

http://www.pure-mac.com/

sound like they're what you're looking for.

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Re: Mac Collection and Addiction

2002-07-28 Thread Paul Noss

On 7/28/02 12:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 I'd say it sounds more like Obsessive/Compulsive than an
 addiction.
 
 ;)
 Mike
 The 2 frequently go hand in hand.
 
 Lee
 
 A computer without Windows is like a dog without bricks tied to its head.
 
I didn't start this discussion; I merely started a new thread, and added to
what others have said before.  After thinking about it a few days, I decided
that I have a problem with Mac collecting and it does interfere with my
life.  (So whatever you call it?  Who cares? In my case it's a problem.)
I've spent over $10,000 on used Macs, I spend too much time working on them.
I collect these Macs, justify it, but I really know deep down that it's just
a waste of time to work on pieces of junk.  (And, a $1 Mac is a piece of
junk, and a $400 Mac is a piece of junk, and I'm a teacher, and no it's not
worth anything to a school.  Get Real!!)  I've got a Ph.D., and I can do
more with my life that this.  So, I'm just going to stop.

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Re: Mac Collection and Addiction

2002-07-28 Thread william ahearn



Paul Noss wrote:
 

 I collect these Macs, justify it, but I really know deep down that it's just
 a waste of time to work on pieces of junk.  (And, a $1 Mac is a piece of
 junk, and a $400 Mac is a piece of junk, and I'm a teacher, and no it's not
 worth anything to a school.  Get Real!!)  I've got a Ph.D., and I can do
 more with my life that this.  So, I'm just going to stop.
 
And you wonder why I have problems with people in the
therapy business? Oh, yeah, don't forget to hold your
breath until you turn blue.

William

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Re: Mac Addiction

2002-07-28 Thread Obi-Wan



greatful wrote:

 * 11 flat panelish touch screen housed over a 5300 w/o a keyboard (newer version is 
a 14 touch screen)

Ooooh  a Cadillac??  Nice book.

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Re: Mac Collection and Addiction

2002-07-28 Thread greatful

A very economical way to feed that addiction is to buy from Goodwill Industries 
Bargain Barn (were available).


Here the partnership with Goodwill Industries is called Computer Works ~ Lots of 
good bargains. And when all else fails... eBay ;) We have another organization that 
collects unwanted equipment and distributes to others in need (their's is a 
Federal/State connection)

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Re: Quadra - Epson printer

2002-07-28 Thread Jim Lunceford

Mark:

Contact me off list
about your Quad. let me know what you have in mind for it.

Please reply

Jim

-

Mark McCague wrote:

 Thats why I got the Epson 750. Last printer I could find (in my part of the
 world) that has a Apple serial port. It was bought to replace a Personal
 LaserWriter LS which stopped working and which the repair shop lost. Other
 than work processing I can't really think what to use the Quadra for. Its
 too slow for a MP3 server or encoding machine. Besides the 9500 I have has
 the advantage of PCI slots so it can take a USB card, which makes it
 possible to do a lot more with it.

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More RAM

2002-07-28 Thread Mark McCague

Actually I did stick some old PC ram in my quadra before. Am I right in
thinking the RAM has to be 30pin SIMMs of 60ns. Will slower ram be a
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Re: More RAM

2002-07-28 Thread Scott Holder

At 10:20 PM 7/28/2002 +0100, you wrote:
Actually I did stick some old PC ram in my quadra before. Am I right in
thinking the RAM has to be 30pin SIMMs of 60ns. Will slower ram be a
problem?

I believe all Quadras used 72 pin SIMMs. Different models had different 
tolerances with the speed. LEM profiles have the specifics.

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Re: Yellowing Macs

2002-07-28 Thread victoria

victoria

 Does anyone know how to clean a yellowing Mac up ?
 
quick/n brite works great. rub on and wipe off.

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Re: More RAM

2002-07-28 Thread James S Jones

What Quadra? The 700 only needs 80ns, or faster. The 900  950 may need 
faster than 80ns, but my service PDF for those models is claiming to be 
corrupted, so I can't say for sure. The 800  840 (and probably the 
related 600s) use 72-pin SIMMs.

On Sunday, July 28, 2002, at 02:20  PM, Mark McCague wrote:

 Actually I did stick some old PC ram in my quadra before. Am I right in
 thinking the RAM has to be 30pin SIMMs of 60ns. Will slower ram be a
 problem?


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Re: Mac Collection and Addiction

2002-07-28 Thread Ed Murphy


--- william ahearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 Paul Noss wrote:
  
  An addiction is when a person spends more time and
  money on something than he or she can afford.  
 
 Oh. So Keith Richard wasn't addicted to heroin because
 he had the time and money to afford it? I have to admit
 to a bias against the psycho-therapy establishment and
 as a result hesitate to jump in but I find Pual Noss's
 statement difficult to grasp. Especially by one who has

I took Paul's statement less literally.  I interpreted it more
generally as meaning addictions interfere with or damage other
important parts of your life; relationships, finances, career, etc. 
Paul was giving the examples of time or money as things that could be
impared by the addiction.  In this regard, my Mac collecting could be
construed as an addiction because I keep the extent of it from my wife,
because I know she would not approve.  Ultimately, this is a bad thing
for our relationship.  I guess I should fess up.  Thanks for the help
Paul.



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Re: More RAM

2002-07-28 Thread the pickle

At 22:20 +0100 on 28/07/02, Mark McCague wrote:

Actually I did stick some old PC ram in my quadra before. Am I right in
thinking the RAM has to be 30pin SIMMs of 60ns. Will slower ram be a
problem?

There are no Macs that use 30-pin RAM that *require* 60ns speed, but it
certainly won't hurt matters.

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Re: More RAM

2002-07-28 Thread the pickle

At 18:23 -0400 on 28/07/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 7/28/02 3:14:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


There are no Macs that use 30-pin RAM that *require* 60ns speed, but it
certainly won't hurt matters.


Yup ... some 68040s.

Which ones?

The only Mac that requires 60ns RAM before the PPCs is the 840AV, and it
uses 72-pin SIMMs.

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Re: More RAM

2002-07-28 Thread greatful

Sure wish they had pictures so I knew which 600's were related to 800/840... What I'd 
like to know (this may qualify as most stupid): Is 60ns or 80ns faster??? And what 
does RPM have to do with HD speed???

Macintosh Quadra 700: Technical Specifications
[http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=112180]
Logic Board: 4 MB 
RAM Slots: 4, 30-pin SIMM 
Min - Max RAM: 4 MB - 20 MB 
Min RAM Speed: 80 
RAM Sizes: 1, 4 MB 
Install in Groups of: 4 

Macintosh Quadra 900: Technical Specifications 
[http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=112181]
Logic Board: none 
RAM Slots: 16, 30-pin SIMM 
Min - Max RAM: 4 MB - 256 MB 
Min RAM Speed: 80 
RAM Sizes: 1, 4, 8, 16 MB 
Install in Groups of: 4 
Notes: 8MB  16MB SIMMs may be used, but are not supported by Apple. 

Macintosh Quadra 950: Technical Specifications 
[http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=112186] 
Logic Board: none 
RAM Slots: 16, 30-pin SIMM 
Min - Max RAM: 4 MB - 256 MB 
Min RAM Speed: 80 
RAM Sizes: 1, 4, 8, 16 MB 
Install in Groups of: 4 
Notes: 8MB  16MB SIMMs may be used, but are not supported by Apple. 

Macintosh Quadra 800: Technical Specifications 
[http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=112204] 
Logic Board: 8 MB 
RAM Slots: 4, 72-pin SIMM 
Min - Max RAM: 8 MB - 136MB 
Min RAM Speed: 60 
RAM Sizes: 4, 8, 16, 32 MB 
Install in Groups of: 1 

Macintosh Quadra 840AV: Technical Specifications 
[http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=112217] 
Logic Board: none 
RAM Slots: 4, 72-pin SIMM 
Min - Max RAM: 4 MB - 128 MB 
Min RAM Speed: 60 
RAM Sizes: 4, 8, 16, 32 MB 
Install in Groups of: 1 


-Original Message-
From: James S Jones[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Quadlist[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun Jul 28 14:35:34 PDT 2002
Subject: Re: More RAM

What Quadra? The 700 only needs 80ns, or faster. The 900  950 may need faster than 
80ns, but my service PDF for those models is claiming to be corrupted, so I can't say 
for sure. The 800  840 (and probably the related 600s) use 72-pin SIMMs.

On Sunday, July 28, 2002, at 02:20  PM, Mark McCague wrote:

 Actually I did stick some old PC ram in my quadra before. Am I right in thinking 
the RAM has to be 30pin SIMMs of 60ns. Will slower ram be a problem?




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Re: More RAM

2002-07-28 Thread the pickle

At 15:25 -0700 on 28/07/02, greatful wrote:

Sure wish they had pictures so I knew which 600's were related to

Pics won't help.  The 800/840 are most closely related to the 650, although
the 660AV shares the AV moniker and some hardware (but not the appetite for
60ns RAM).

800/840... What I'd like to know (this may qualify as most stupid): Is
60ns or 80ns faster??? And what does RPM have to do with HD speed???

60ns is a smaller number, thus a shorter access time, thus faster.

RPM has very little to do with overall HD speed but has a lot to do with
seek time and access time - the faster the drive spins, the shorter time
elapsed between a specific sector on the disk coming around again, and the
faster the drive can find a random piece of data.


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64mb ram in q840

2002-07-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Some time ago the question was asked whether 64mb RAM chips could be used in
a Quadra 840av.  I never saw an answer to the question, and I hadn't tried
it out myself at that time, but today I finally got around to trying it. I
have some 64mb chips that I was using in a 6100. Today I decided to fool
around with the 840 so I tried the 64s in it. With both 64s installed the
computer recognized only 64mb of total RAM installed. So at least with those
sticks, the 840 can only recognize a maximum of 32mb per RAM slot.
Sorry it took so long to answer, but I really am not fond of working inside
the 840. I would do anything for love, but I won't do that.

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Re: Mac Collection and Addiction

2002-07-28 Thread Paul Stamsen


About 5:08 pm +0100, on 7/28/02, edjones sagaciously queried or 
brilliantly elucidated:


   Does mac addiction have an ICD10 classification ?

or the DSM (I think)?
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Re: Monitor

2002-07-28 Thread Rob

 There's enough voltage in there to make your arms numb for a few hours.

And them some. Color monitors/TV's can kill you (even BW's pack a punch).
Never reach into the box with both hands, one hand at a time.

BE CAREFULL!

Rob


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Re: Mac Collection and Addiction

2002-07-28 Thread william ahearn



Paul Stamsen wrote:
 

 or the DSM (I think)?

The current edition is DSM IV, I believe. Damn, no
pictures . . .

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Re: Mac Collection and Addiction

2002-07-28 Thread Paul Stamsen


About 12:37 pm -0700, on 7/28/02, Paul Noss sagaciously queried or 
brilliantly elucidated:


(snip)
  I've got a Ph.D., and I can do
   more with my life that this.  So, I'm just going to stop.


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Re: NeXT ColorStation and Apple Multisync 17. Possible?

2002-07-28 Thread Rob

Any adapter is possible. If you look at the pinouts of the DB-15 (Apple) and
the 13W3, it becomes fairly obvious how to make the adapter. If you prefer,
the adapter that goes from HDB-15 (VGA) are always on Ebay, just make sure
you get the right gender for your application. Then use a Mac to VGA
adapter. Finding the 13W3 connector is going to be the most difficult part
of making the adapter.

I've got the adapter that connects a Sun monitor (13W3) to a VGA card and
also the adapter that connects a VGA monitor to my Sun's (yes, I'm
addicted!), but they are staying here...

Rob

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Subject: Re: NeXT ColorStation and Apple Multisync 17. Possible?

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Re: Mac Collection and Addiction

2002-07-28 Thread Rob

Did you get the install media for the programs with the computer? Otherwise,
it's going to be difficult to prove they are licensed copies.

Rob

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 Funny thing is it still had its hard disk intact, and there were licensed
 copies of just about every graphics design packages one could imagine on
that
 hard disk, too.


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Re: Monitor

2002-07-28 Thread the pickle

At 18:53 -0600 on 28/07/02, Rob wrote:

 There's enough voltage in there to make your arms numb for a few hours.

And them some. Color monitors/TV's can kill you (even BW's pack a punch).

When someone can prove (quote me a news story, please) that a person has
been killed by a TV tube, I'll believe it.  Until then, I really wish
people would stop perpetuating this myth.

Yes, they'll hurt.  A lot.  But they won't kill you.

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Re: Monitor

2002-07-28 Thread Rob

You only need 10mA through your chest to kill you, you can do the math. I
have to admit, I don't know anybody that's been killed by a TV, but I won't
be finding out myself. I use plenty of caution when working on TV's and
monitors, and usually suggest to Internet taught techies to leave the case
intact. You obviously have the experience to tackle such a job, but I'm
pretty sure that most do not, they usually bring it over here...

I'm pretty sure crack won't kill me either, but that doesn't mean I don't
take it seriously. Myth or otherwise.

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Subject: Re: Monitor


 When someone can prove (quote me a news story, please) that a person has
 been killed by a TV tube, I'll believe it.  Until then, I really wish
 people would stop perpetuating this myth.

 Yes, they'll hurt.  A lot.  But they won't kill you.


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Re: NeXTlist?

2002-07-28 Thread James Rice

There are a couple.  I've been signed up on a NeXT Dimension owners  
list for almost 2  years and never had a post.  Even  the archive is 
empty.  Most of the NeXT activity is on a forum at
http://next.z80.org but it's fairly low traffic and on the cctalk/ccteck 
lists over at classiccmp.org.
If you start a NeXT list I'm first in line!

James
http://webpages.charter.net/jrice54/classiccomp2.html


Yes, NeXT hardware is off topic here -- but where else is there?

1. Does anyone know of a good NeXT email list?

2. If not, we can make it one of the first projects once we have the 
lemlists.com list server set up.

Dan the listmom

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Re: Monitor

2002-07-28 Thread william ahearn



Rob wrote:
 
 I'm pretty sure crack won't kill me either, but that doesn't mean I don't
 take it seriously. Myth or otherwise.
 
No, but the dealers might blow your brains out when you
run out of money and start making promises you can't
keep. My attitude is that we are on lists like this to
take control of our machines (instead of the reverse)
and that's what sharing info is about. Me, I'll take a
lot of risks other won't and chide me for. BUT, I don't
play with monitors because I don't know what I'm doing.
That is what risk mangement is about. Take risks you
can calculate. If you can't do the math, get another
monitor. If you do know, you might create information
for the rest of us. And I thank you.

William

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Re: Monitor

2002-07-28 Thread the pickle

At 19:37 -0600 on 28/07/02, Rob wrote:

You only need 10mA through your chest to kill you, you can do the math. I

Sure, the math works out.

But it's never happened.

I'm pretty sure crack won't kill me either, but that doesn't mean I don't
take it seriously. Myth or otherwise.

grin

Pretty good analogy, actually.

the pickle

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Anybody Want a Performa 630CD?

2002-07-28 Thread Emilio Rescigno

Hi all, I've got a Performa 630CD that I no longer need (my Quadra 950 
displaced it) so I am going to sell it. Here are the Statistics:

Performa Plus Display

Mouse/Keyboard

20mb of RAM (4 Mobo)

250mb IDE Hard Drive

Make an offer, as I am not exactly sure what this is worth. Thanks!

Emilio Rescigno
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Re: NeXTlist?

2002-07-28 Thread Rob

I'd love to get a NeXT computer (it all comes back to this addiction
again!). I used to just lust after the first NeXT machines when they would
show them at the University in the late 80's. The problem is, they seem to
go for some many $$ on Ebay. I'd need to find one that is complete (I'm sure
that I'd have a hard time finding software, keyboards, etc...), that is
being sold locally. The last one that I heard about in the local Buy/Sell,
was also asking quite a bit of money. I should have called up and low-balled
him, just to see what happened. Until then, I just can't afford the Ebay
prices (since I have absolutely no use for a NeXT at all!).

Rob

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 There are a couple.  I've been signed up on a NeXT Dimension owners
 list for almost 2  years and never had a post.  Even  the archive is
 empty.  Most of the NeXT activity is on a forum at
 http://next.z80.org but it's fairly low traffic and on the cctalk/ccteck
 lists over at classiccmp.org.
 If you start a NeXT list I'm first in line!


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CRT shocks

2002-07-28 Thread catalina_eddie

In USN electrinics school (back when mem were men and CRTs were CRTs) they
told us that probably the biggest danger from capacitance shocks probably
was jerking back and ripping ones hand open on the circuitry. Still
dangerous, and most unpleasant, but probably not fatal.

Don Erdmann, Vancouver, USA

When someone can prove (quote me a news story, please) that a person has
been killed by a TV tube, I'll believe it.  Until then, I really wish people
would stop perpetuating this myth.

Yes, they'll hurt.  A lot.  But they won't kill you.

the pickle

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