[Quantum Owners] Re: MOT Reg Changes

2012-02-22 Thread Dave English
Having had a quick read through the list, things like split gaiters,
battery security, headlights working properly with the correct beam
pattern, are already included in the MOT, also if your CAT isn't
fitted, you'll probably fail your emission test.
Most of it just seems to be making sure the modern warning systems in
cars now are working and that, if you have a tow bar, it's not about
to fall off and is wired correctly.
The bit about the seats says that the adjustment mechanism must
basically be operative, if you don't have adjustable seats, you don't
have an adjustment mechanism!
The unsupported wires may present some problems. The Fiesta loom isn't
well supported on the front side of the engine but that's its design
state, however, I'll have some tywraps with me for my next MOT.

Dave English

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Re: [Quantum Owners] MOT Reg Changes

2012-02-22 Thread Susan and Martin Scott
How about cars that have been built without seat adjustment (eg sylva J15, 
Riot)?

Would an extra bit of foam be regarded as adjustment?


- Original Message - 
From: "Hamish Freeman" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:31 PM
Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] MOT Reg Changes


I am pleased to say that my H4 passed with only a warning on handbrake
adjustment which considering that I just put it in this year is OK.  Looking
at the list suggested below, I would be fairly unhappy if any of the things
on the list were not within the requirements.  One point was interesting as
I do believe the professionally fitted and  wired towing hitch on Trish's
car has two wires crossed as it refused to run a standard trailer board!  My
H4 trailer socket is OK.

There are a host of other things that have crept in but are well worth it.
The first MOT on my Beauford identified that the rear half shaft nuts were
not torqued up to the correct figure to the extent that a wheel might have
fallen off in due course - this is something I had no cause to undo during
the build so was "as is" at manufacture.  I considered the money spent was
more than worth it for safety, particularly as our local garage is reliable,
technically highly competent (they race minis) and only fails cars if there
are things which could be dangerous, which is what the test is all about.

My experience of looking after your own cars is that being too close leads
to familiarity and sometimes to oversight thus the MOT is a welcome check -
particularly when it finds things wrong with a car still under guarantee!

Hamish

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From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of MattWilson(Q2-412)
Sent: 22 February 2012 09:39
To: Quantum Owners Group
Subject: [Quantum Owners] MOT Reg Changes

As we're all getting quite enthusiastic about legal issues and MOT regs
etc
Someone at work forwarded the below link to me last week:

http://uk.autoblog.com/2012/01/04/changes-to-mot-rules-in-2012-are-you-ready
/

I was wondering how some of this might affect our Quantum's at MOT time.
(Not sure how much of the article is the usual scare- mongering).

Some highlights I thought may casue a few issues:
1. Missing, or split/damaged dust covers on steering and suspension
ball-joints will result in failure if they will allow dirt to enter the
joint. .

2. They've essentially closed the door on after-market HID (GOOD!).
So if you've got them, you may have trouble now.

3. Fail for insufficiently supported or protected wires.

4. Driver's seat must go back and forward.  So presumably if you've got a
fixed type bucket seat, that could be a problem.

Any thoughts?
Matt


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RE: [Quantum Owners] MOT Reg Changes

2012-02-22 Thread Hamish Freeman
I am pleased to say that my H4 passed with only a warning on handbrake
adjustment which considering that I just put it in this year is OK.  Looking
at the list suggested below, I would be fairly unhappy if any of the things
on the list were not within the requirements.  One point was interesting as
I do believe the professionally fitted and  wired towing hitch on Trish's
car has two wires crossed as it refused to run a standard trailer board!  My
H4 trailer socket is OK.

There are a host of other things that have crept in but are well worth it.
The first MOT on my Beauford identified that the rear half shaft nuts were
not torqued up to the correct figure to the extent that a wheel might have
fallen off in due course - this is something I had no cause to undo during
the build so was "as is" at manufacture.  I considered the money spent was
more than worth it for safety, particularly as our local garage is reliable,
technically highly competent (they race minis) and only fails cars if there
are things which could be dangerous, which is what the test is all about.

My experience of looking after your own cars is that being too close leads
to familiarity and sometimes to oversight thus the MOT is a welcome check -
particularly when it finds things wrong with a car still under guarantee!

Hamish

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From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of MattWilson(Q2-412)
Sent: 22 February 2012 09:39
To: Quantum Owners Group
Subject: [Quantum Owners] MOT Reg Changes

As we're all getting quite enthusiastic about legal issues and MOT regs
etc
Someone at work forwarded the below link to me last week:

http://uk.autoblog.com/2012/01/04/changes-to-mot-rules-in-2012-are-you-ready
/

I was wondering how some of this might affect our Quantum's at MOT time.
(Not sure how much of the article is the usual scare- mongering).

Some highlights I thought may casue a few issues:
1. Missing, or split/damaged dust covers on steering and suspension
ball-joints will result in failure if they will allow dirt to enter the
joint. .

2. They've essentially closed the door on after-market HID (GOOD!).
So if you've got them, you may have trouble now.

3. Fail for insufficiently supported or protected wires.

4. Driver's seat must go back and forward.  So presumably if you've got a
fixed type bucket seat, that could be a problem.

Any thoughts?
Matt


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[Quantum Owners] Re: MOT Reg Changes

2012-02-22 Thread Dave the Subbie
Driver's seat movement check is maybe a bit excessive, but the others
all seem pretty sensible. After all, I wouldn't fancy driving a car
with most of those faults.

I guess the cat one is on the basis of pollution, which I always
thought was a bit OTT, as I believe that most of the pollution
generated by a car is during its manufacture, not during driving.

What about a Coupe battery, as they aren't held down by a clamp, but
can't go anywhere with the bonnet down? Maybe we'll have to see what
happens on that one?

Dave.

On Feb 22, 10:37 am, "Jim Hearne"  wrote:
> I thought an insecure battery was also a failure already.
>
> Jim
>
>   From: Mark Miles
>   Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:58 AM
>   To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] MOT Reg Changes
>
>   I have had an MOT fail previously for a split rubber on a steering 
> balljoint so I suspect that this is not a change. The HID thing is good news, 
> around here we have a lot of clios etc  with aftermarket HID and they are 
> dazzling at best.
>   The insufficiently supported/protected wires is a direct concern for me. 
> The wiring on my car is in a dreadful state. I think this will bring forward 
> my project to update the electrical systems on the car. MOT in June so 
> something of a priority I think. I am not sure of the benefit of a drivers 
> seat that moves I am the only person that drives my car and the seat 
> hasn't been moved since I bought the car nearly three years ago.
>
>   Mark Miles
>
>   Manager
>   Bar Square
>   8 Market Place
>   Wokingham
>   Berkshire
>   RG40 1AL
>
>   07565 110439
>
> --
>   From: MattWilson(Q2-412) 
>   To: Quantum Owners Group 
>   Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2012, 9:38
>   Subject: [Quantum Owners] MOT Reg Changes
>
>   As we're all getting quite enthusiastic about legal issues and MOT
>   regs etc
>   Someone at work forwarded the below link to me last week:
>
>  http://uk.autoblog.com/2012/01/04/changes-to-mot-rules-in-2012-are-yo...
>
>   I was wondering how some of this might affect our Quantum's at MOT
>   time.  (Not sure how much of the article is the usual scare-
>   mongering).
>
>   Some highlights I thought may casue a few issues:
>   1. Missing, or split/damaged dust covers on steering and suspension
>   ball-joints will result in failure if they will allow dirt to enter
>   the joint.    sort ASAP anyway but a pain if time is short in the run-up to your
>   MOT>.
>
>   2. They've essentially closed the door on after-market HID (GOOD!).
>   So if you've got them, you may have trouble now.
>
>   3. Fail for insufficiently supported or protected wires.
>
>   4. Driver's seat must go back and forward.  So presumably if you've
>   got a fixed type bucket seat, that could be a problem.
>
>   Any thoughts?
>   Matt
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RE: [Quantum Owners] Stainless steel fuel tank - Coupe/2+2

2012-02-22 Thread Chris
I'd be interested in as SS tank. Pref like for like but with added swirl pot
/ blanking plate (type thingy) option.

Chris G

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On Behalf Of Derek Clews
Sent: 20 February 2012 20:20
To: Quantum Owners Club
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Stainless steel fuel tank - Coupe/2+2

Hi All,

I was thinking about getting a fabricator to make up a couple of SS  
fuel tanks for the coupes/2+2.  Given the total chat over the years,  
what is the best build spec, do you reckon to make them as useful and  
multipurpose as possible?  e.g. outlet(s), swirl pots, even after  
market fuel gauge senders?

It would be simple enough to give them my old tank and say 'another  
like that please', but maybe I could do better?  Maybe others in the  
club would like one, too?

Thoughts, guys...

Derek

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: More lights

2012-02-22 Thread Chris
How about mounting the light into the roll bar? Maybe 5 round ones in a row?

Chris G

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From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Chris H
Sent: 21 February 2012 23:10
To: Quantum Owners Group
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: More lights

Thats a good idea but depending how it was mounted it would only be
visible with the roof down. As I currently only use the hardtop, it
would'ent be pratical. If mounted underneath the roll cage it would
solve the problem but I sometimes carry passengers and depending upon
the light it could affect headroom (not that there is much anyway)

Chris

On Feb 21, 8:09 pm, Derek Clews  wrote:
> Always thought an extra brake light attached to the roll over bar on a
> 2+2 would work well (for those with the bar of course!) as it lifts it
> much higher than the boot and its being high in your eye-line that
> seems to work well.  You could have four brake lights low down and it
> would not make much difference.
>
> Derek
>
> On 21 Feb 2012, at 15:01, MatthewG wrote:
>
>
>
> > Jim is right that the brake lights must be separate and some way apart
> > from the rear fog lights. I have a figure of them needing to be 10cm
> > apart in my head (but I could well have made that up...).
>
> > The third-brake flasher idea seems quite nifty. I'd just need to add a
> > third brake light to my 2+2 first...
>
> > Going back to the original point about using LEDs though, I was always
> > a fan of Maserati's 'boomerang-style' LED rear lights. I'm sure that
> > we could come up with something along those lines that both meets the
> > regulations and gives our cars a bit more individuality. I'd bought
> > myself a couple of flexible LED strips to play with and was thinking
> > of tracking down a set of Sierra lights to use as a template for
> > holding them (that would still fit if my tinkering worked). I bet that
> > someone with more skill than me can come up with something far
> > prettier and more cheaply.
>
> > Matthew
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Re: [Quantum Owners] MOT Reg Changes

2012-02-22 Thread Jim Hearne
I thought an insecure battery was also a failure already.

Jim

  From: Mark Miles 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:58 AM
  To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] MOT Reg Changes


  I have had an MOT fail previously for a split rubber on a steering balljoint 
so I suspect that this is not a change. The HID thing is good news, around here 
we have a lot of clios etc  with aftermarket HID and they are dazzling at best.
  The insufficiently supported/protected wires is a direct concern for me. The 
wiring on my car is in a dreadful state. I think this will bring forward my 
project to update the electrical systems on the car. MOT in June so something 
of a priority I think. I am not sure of the benefit of a drivers seat that 
moves I am the only person that drives my car and the seat hasn't been 
moved since I bought the car nearly three years ago.

  Mark Miles

  Manager
  Bar Square
  8 Market Place
  Wokingham
  Berkshire
  RG40 1AL


  07565 110439



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  From: MattWilson(Q2-412) 
  To: Quantum Owners Group  
  Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2012, 9:38
  Subject: [Quantum Owners] MOT Reg Changes


  As we're all getting quite enthusiastic about legal issues and MOT
  regs etc
  Someone at work forwarded the below link to me last week:

  http://uk.autoblog.com/2012/01/04/changes-to-mot-rules-in-2012-are-you-ready/

  I was wondering how some of this might affect our Quantum's at MOT
  time.  (Not sure how much of the article is the usual scare-
  mongering).

  Some highlights I thought may casue a few issues:
  1. Missing, or split/damaged dust covers on steering and suspension
  ball-joints will result in failure if they will allow dirt to enter
  the joint. .

  2. They've essentially closed the door on after-market HID (GOOD!).
  So if you've got them, you may have trouble now.

  3. Fail for insufficiently supported or protected wires.

  4. Driver's seat must go back and forward.  So presumably if you've
  got a fixed type bucket seat, that could be a problem.

  Any thoughts?
  Matt


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Re: [Quantum Owners] MOT Reg Changes

2012-02-22 Thread Mark Miles
I have had an MOT fail previously for a split rubber on a steering balljoint so 
I suspect that this is not a change. The HID thing is good news, around here we 
have a lot of clios etc  with aftermarket HID and they are dazzling at best.
The insufficiently supported/protected wires is a direct concern for me. The 
wiring on my car is in a dreadful state. I think this will bring forward my 
project to update the electrical systems on the car. MOT in June so something 
of a priority I think. I am not sure of the benefit of a drivers seat that 
moves I am the only person that drives my car and the seat hasn't been 
moved since I bought the car nearly three years ago.
 
Mark Miles

Manager
Bar Square
8 Market Place
Wokingham
Berkshire
RG40 1AL

07565 110439



 From: MattWilson(Q2-412) 
To: Quantum Owners Group  
Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2012, 9:38
Subject: [Quantum Owners] MOT Reg Changes
 
As we're all getting quite enthusiastic about legal issues and MOT
regs etc
Someone at work forwarded the below link to me last week:

http://uk.autoblog.com/2012/01/04/changes-to-mot-rules-in-2012-are-you-ready/

I was wondering how some of this might affect our Quantum's at MOT
time.  (Not sure how much of the article is the usual scare-
mongering).

Some highlights I thought may casue a few issues:
1. Missing, or split/damaged dust covers on steering and suspension
ball-joints will result in failure if they will allow dirt to enter
the joint. .

2. They've essentially closed the door on after-market HID (GOOD!).
So if you've got them, you may have trouble now.

3. Fail for insufficiently supported or protected wires.

4. Driver's seat must go back and forward.  So presumably if you've
got a fixed type bucket seat, that could be a problem.

Any thoughts?
Matt


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[Quantum Owners] MOT Reg Changes

2012-02-22 Thread MattWilson(Q2-412)
As we're all getting quite enthusiastic about legal issues and MOT
regs etc
Someone at work forwarded the below link to me last week:

http://uk.autoblog.com/2012/01/04/changes-to-mot-rules-in-2012-are-you-ready/

I was wondering how some of this might affect our Quantum's at MOT
time.  (Not sure how much of the article is the usual scare-
mongering).

Some highlights I thought may casue a few issues:
1. Missing, or split/damaged dust covers on steering and suspension
ball-joints will result in failure if they will allow dirt to enter
the joint. .

2. They've essentially closed the door on after-market HID (GOOD!).
So if you've got them, you may have trouble now.

3. Fail for insufficiently supported or protected wires.

4. Driver's seat must go back and forward.  So presumably if you've
got a fixed type bucket seat, that could be a problem.

Any thoughts?
Matt


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