Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades
My 2+2 is 1985 registered and the cheap Ebay H4 Led headlight bulbs would have failed the MOT, the tester let me fit the original H4's. I then purchased a pair of Osram H4 Led headlight bulbs, which made a fantastic difference, but a lot of people were flashing me, as I was dazzling them, I then adjusted the headlights to lower the beam slightly and now nobody flashes at me, I can see so much more and the car has passed 2 MOT's with no problems. On Sunday, 23 July 2023 at 13:45:29 UTC+1 list...@liberator-systems.co.uk wrote: > The headlight rule change re LED etc. in 2021 was pretty silly IMO and > came in for much criticism. Why pick April 1986 as date ? Surely it would > be better if all older cars were allowed to improve their halogen style > headlights. > My saloon is 1985 reg so luckily I can legally fit led bulbs. > > With regard MOT test I suspect failure is going to be down to how > stringent the individual tester is. Decent brand led replacement bulbs > should give correct beam pattern - after all the manufacturer must have > spent considerable time and effort developing and testing. So if beam > pattern is correct why fail? One option of course is to just pop in some > old H4 bulbs just for the MOT. > > John > > On Saturday, 22 July 2023 at 20:36:04 UTC+1 Mick L wrote: > >> As far as I'm aware they allow hid etc if they have washers and self >> levelling? Correct my if I am wrong? >> -- >> *From:* quantu...@googlegroups.com on >> behalf of Darren Siepka >> *Sent:* 22 July 2023 18:38 >> *To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades >> >> Yes my 2+2 head lights ( and flaps) have gone ! >> I have created a mount with the new 90mm Hella unit and a small >> indicator( also modular Hella but about 40mm dia) . >> The 90mm unit is a bi-xenon , it has a single bulb with a flap to create >> the dip cutoff pattern needed for mot. >> Two additional items are also needed for xenon ( not sure about led), >> that is headlamp washers and self levelling. >> Hella sell universal kits to go with the 90mm products , but the washers >> are easily and more cheaply done with a universal windscreen wash kit. >> >> Levelling is a little more tricky, the Hella kit uses ultrasonics , I am >> using OEM lever arm sensors(BMW mini). I am making up a small driver module >> that will read the inputs and adjust the std OEM headlight motors . I will >> publish the build details including firmware as open source as I do all my >> work on GitHub. >> My friendly MOT man is going to let me use the beam aligner out of hours >> to set it up and confirm all is well before the actual MOT test. But I need >> to finish getting the car back on road before I can do that. >> >> Darren >> >> On Sat, 22 Jul 2023, 17:51 mgaskin via Quantum Owners Group, < >> quantu...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> I’ve been doing some reading on the rules about headlights as for a long >> time I’ve wanted to improve my 2+2’s headlights, which seem particularly >> underwhelming after using my modern car. >> >> There’s a lot of conflicting guidance online, which seems to stem from >> some changes to the MOT rules. So I started there, with the relevant part >> seeming to be section 4.1.4: >> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/ >> >> >> >> If I’ve understood it correctly, replacing your halogen bulbs with HID or >> LED equivalents is forbidden for any car used after 1st April 1986, and >> will lead to an automatic failure (‘light source and lamp not >> compatible’). But the part that’s of interest to me, the amended rule, >> seems to state that there is NOT an automatic failure if you have replaced >> the **entire** headlamp unit with an LED or HID alternative. I’m >> presuming that they would need to be CE/UK CA marked, or given an E number >> but, again, that aspect seems to generate conflicting answers – and >> imported Japan-only or USA-only models seem to be able to pass MOTs just >> fine without those markings from what I’ve read. >> >> >> >> There seem to be loads of possible replacement headlight units out there >> so I was wondering firstly if I’ve understood all of this correctly (anyone >> know a tame MOT tester?) and secondly if any of you have replaced your Q’s >> entire original halogen units with an LED or HID alternative. I’d be >> fascinated to hear what you picked and how it played out. >> >> >> >> Hope you’re all having a great weekend. >> >> >> >> Matthew >> >> Q2-275 >> >> -- >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Quantum Owners Group" group. >> To post to this group, send email to quantu...@googlegroups.com >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> quantumowner...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >>
Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades
Hi have 100 watt halogen bulbs in mine as did Matthew before me (upgraded wiring) which strictly speaking are illegal but never been noticed by any MOT tester.Bob Craig Q2-063Sent from my Galaxy Original message From: "list...@liberator-systems.co.uk" Date: 23/07/2023 13:45 (GMT+00:00) To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades The headlight rule change re LED etc. in 2021 was pretty silly IMO and came in for much criticism. Why pick April 1986 as date ? Surely it would be better if all older cars were allowed to improve their halogen style headlights. My saloon is 1985 reg so luckily I can legally fit led bulbs. With regard MOT test I suspect failure is going to be down to how stringent the individual tester is. Decent brand led replacement bulbs should give correct beam pattern - after all the manufacturer must have spent considerable time and effort developing and testing. So if beam pattern is correct why fail? One option of course is to just pop in some old H4 bulbs just for the MOT.John On Saturday, 22 July 2023 at 20:36:04 UTC+1 Mick L wrote: As far as I'm aware they allow hid etc if they have washers and self levelling? Correct my if I am wrong? From: quantu...@googlegroups.com on behalf of Darren Siepka Sent: 22 July 2023 18:38 To: quantu...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades Yes my 2+2 head lights ( and flaps) have gone ! I have created a mount with the new 90mm Hella unit and a small indicator( also modular Hella but about 40mm dia) . The 90mm unit is a bi-xenon , it has a single bulb with a flap to create the dip cutoff pattern needed for mot. Two additional items are also needed for xenon ( not sure about led), that is headlamp washers and self levelling. Hella sell universal kits to go with the 90mm products , but the washers are easily and more cheaply done with a universal windscreen wash kit. Levelling is a little more tricky, the Hella kit uses ultrasonics , I am using OEM lever arm sensors(BMW mini). I am making up a small driver module that will read the inputs and adjust the std OEM headlight motors . I will publish the build details including firmware as open source as I do all my work on GitHub. My friendly MOT man is going to let me use the beam aligner out of hours to set it up and confirm all is well before the actual MOT test. But I need to finish getting the car back on road before I can do that. Darren On Sat, 22 Jul 2023, 17:51 mgaskin via Quantum Owners Group, wrote: Hi all, I’ve been doing some reading on the rules about headlights as for a long time I’ve wanted to improve my 2+2’s headlights, which seem particularly underwhelming after using my modern car. There’s a lot of conflicting guidance online, which seems to stem from some changes to the MOT rules. So I started there, with the relevant part seeming to be section 4.1.4: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/ If I’ve understood it correctly, replacing your halogen bulbs with HID or LED equivalents is forbidden for any car used after 1st April 1986, and will lead to an automatic failure (‘light source and lamp not compatible’). But the part that’s of interest to me, the amended rule, seems to state that there is NOT an automatic failure if you have replaced the *entire* headlamp unit with an LED or HID alternative. I’m presuming that they would need to be CE/UK CA marked, or given an E number but, again, that aspect seems to generate conflicting answers – and imported Japan-only or USA-only models seem to be able to pass MOTs just fine without those markings from what I’ve read. There seem to be loads of possible replacement headlight units out there so I was wondering firstly if I’ve understood all of this correctly (anyone know a tame MOT tester?) and secondly if any of you have replaced your Q’s entire original halogen units with an LED or HID alternative. I’d be fascinated to hear what you picked and how it played out. Hope you’re all having a great weekend. Matthew Q2-275 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantu...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowner...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related
RE: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 saloon needing new home
Hi KenPut this up on our Facebook page where they are all members of the Qoc JanQoc membership secretary Sent from my Galaxy Original message From: Ken Needham Date: 17/07/2023 16:41 (GMT+00:00) To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 saloon needing new home I have a Red 2+2 saloon That really needs a new home and TLC.I was using the car as daily transport up to when Covid hit.Coincident with retirement I put the car on SORN as there is something needing attention on the clutch.It has an XR3i engine fitted with standard Ford injection ECU, 5 speed box and 14 inch Escort wheels with very good Uniroyal rain tyres all round.The car is not pretty and has a high mileage.Covid got me early on and after effects are still with me so I can't see me able to revive the car in the near future. I have many spares, original worn CVH engine, Refurbished gearbox internals plus a complete gearbox, many light lens and new rear axel support arms. Set of 5 13" wheelsIs this something someone may be interested in?Best regardsKen Needham -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/quantumowners/057c8e1c-810d-414a-a31a-e2c9702c89f1n%40googlegroups.com. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/quantumowners/64b56605.050a0220.ce61e.4bf2%40mx.google.com.
Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades
Hi Matthew. Improving the headlights can certainly cause some headaches, part of the reason I stuck with the round headlight version of the 2+2 all those years ago! Working out what will pass an MOT is part of the problem, complying with Constructions and Use regulations is a different matter. >From what I've managed to work out previously for my 2+2 and currently for my Vauxhall Cascada (really bad standard headlights, my Q was better), converting to a HID system requires a full HID headlight unit, not just a bulb. It also needs a self-levelling system and headlamp washers. As our current Constructions and Use regs define light output by wattage and not lumens, replacing bulbs in any legally required lights with an LED equivalent is illegal because the wattage is wrong. An MOT will not pick this up provided the headlamp beam pattern is correct because they can't dismantle anything. Again, if you can fit a complete headlight unit from a Type Approved car that has LED headlights, it will be legal because it complies with the regs in Europe. Just to make things interesting, companies can legally sell headlights and bulbs (and other car stuff) that are illegal for use on the road. They should mention it somewhere but even the phrase 'Ensure that this product complies with local regulations' can be hard to find. It's possible that some of my info may be out of date, we've got to catch up with LED technology at some point. For a bit of an improvement and to stay legal, I put Philips X-tremeVision Pro150 bulbs in my Cascada. These are a direct replacement and it went from' these light are bad' to 'these lights will do' (not 'these lights are good'). In my opinion you can fit what you like but please, please, don't use a HID system without self-levelling. As they bounce along the road the light colour appears to change and, a few years ago, I very nearly pulled out in front of someone with this set up because it looked like an indicator flashing in a headlight unit. Regards Dave English On Saturday, 22 July 2023 at 20:36:04 UTC+1 Mick L wrote: > As far as I'm aware they allow hid etc if they have washers and self > levelling? Correct my if I am wrong? > -- > *From:* quantu...@googlegroups.com on behalf > of Darren Siepka > *Sent:* 22 July 2023 18:38 > *To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades > > Yes my 2+2 head lights ( and flaps) have gone ! > I have created a mount with the new 90mm Hella unit and a small indicator( > also modular Hella but about 40mm dia) . > The 90mm unit is a bi-xenon , it has a single bulb with a flap to create > the dip cutoff pattern needed for mot. > Two additional items are also needed for xenon ( not sure about led), that > is headlamp washers and self levelling. > Hella sell universal kits to go with the 90mm products , but the washers > are easily and more cheaply done with a universal windscreen wash kit. > > Levelling is a little more tricky, the Hella kit uses ultrasonics , I am > using OEM lever arm sensors(BMW mini). I am making up a small driver module > that will read the inputs and adjust the std OEM headlight motors . I will > publish the build details including firmware as open source as I do all my > work on GitHub. > My friendly MOT man is going to let me use the beam aligner out of hours > to set it up and confirm all is well before the actual MOT test. But I need > to finish getting the car back on road before I can do that. > > Darren > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2023, 17:51 mgaskin via Quantum Owners Group, < > quantu...@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I’ve been doing some reading on the rules about headlights as for a long > time I’ve wanted to improve my 2+2’s headlights, which seem particularly > underwhelming after using my modern car. > > There’s a lot of conflicting guidance online, which seems to stem from > some changes to the MOT rules. So I started there, with the relevant part > seeming to be section 4.1.4: > https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/ > > > > If I’ve understood it correctly, replacing your halogen bulbs with HID or > LED equivalents is forbidden for any car used after 1st April 1986, and > will lead to an automatic failure (‘light source and lamp not > compatible’). But the part that’s of interest to me, the amended rule, > seems to state that there is NOT an automatic failure if you have replaced > the **entire** headlamp unit with an LED or HID alternative. I’m > presuming that they would need to be CE/UK CA marked, or given an E number > but, again, that aspect seems to generate conflicting answers – and > imported Japan-only or USA-only models seem to be able to pass MOTs just > fine without those markings from what I’ve read. > > > > There seem to be loads of possible replacement headlight units out there > so I was wondering firstly
RE: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 saloon needing new home
Not that I’m in a position to take it on, but…… Is it a saloon or a 2+2? Martin Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: 'Paul S Quantum' via Quantum Owners Group Sent: 25 July 2023 09:12 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 saloon needing new home Hi Ken Can you let me know the registration of your car so I can check to see if your car is on the clubs list of known cars. Sent you a email a few days back but presume you didn’t get the email. My Email is quantumhistor...@btinternet.com if you don’t want the details of the car in the public domain. Good luck with your sale as red is by far the best colour that suits the quantum saloon & such as shame you are having to let it go. I know how it feels as I had to let my quantum 2+2 a few years ago & regretted it for years after. Paul Quantum owners club historian Sent from Mail for Windows From: Ken Needham Sent: 24 July 2023 16:12 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 saloon needing new home Hi Darren, I'm in Reading. A scrappy has offered £600 but I don't want it to be scrapped. If it may be of interest give me a call. 07535656507 regards Ken From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com on behalf of Darren Siepka Sent: 17 July 2023 15:50 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 saloon needing new home Where abouts are you located? Any idea what sort of figure you might be after? Darren On Mon, 17 Jul 2023, 16:41 Ken Needham, wrote: I have a Red 2+2 saloon That really needs a new home and TLC. I was using the car as daily transport up to when Covid hit. Coincident with retirement I put the car on SORN as there is something needing attention on the clutch. It has an XR3i engine fitted with standard Ford injection ECU, 5 speed box and 14 inch Escort wheels with very good Uniroyal rain tyres all round. The car is not pretty and has a high mileage. Covid got me early on and after effects are still with me so I can't see me able to revive the car in the near future. I have many spares, original worn CVH engine, Refurbished gearbox internals plus a complete gearbox, many light lens and new rear axel support arms. Set of 5 13" wheels Is this something someone may be interested in? Best regards Ken Needham -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/quantumowners/057c8e1c-810d-414a-a31a-e2c9702c89f1n%40googlegroups.com. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/quantumowners/CABxHo%2Bzyc6%3DtYeLBFNXKZf4O8dcSTY9N4pOj5sfmUCfiS6LDdw%40mail.gmail.com. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group,
RE: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 saloon needing new home
Hi Ken Can you let me know the registration of your car so I can check to see if your car is on the clubs list of known cars. Sent you a email a few days back but presume you didn’t get the email. My Email is quantumhistor...@btinternet.com if you don’t want the details of the car in the public domain. Good luck with your sale as red is by far the best colour that suits the quantum saloon & such as shame you are having to let it go. I know how it feels as I had to let my quantum 2+2 a few years ago & regretted it for years after. Paul Quantum owners club historian Sent from Mail for Windows From: Ken Needham Sent: 24 July 2023 16:12 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 saloon needing new home Hi Darren, I'm in Reading. A scrappy has offered £600 but I don't want it to be scrapped. If it may be of interest give me a call. 07535656507 regards Ken From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com on behalf of Darren Siepka Sent: 17 July 2023 15:50 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 saloon needing new home Where abouts are you located? Any idea what sort of figure you might be after? Darren On Mon, 17 Jul 2023, 16:41 Ken Needham, wrote: I have a Red 2+2 saloon That really needs a new home and TLC. I was using the car as daily transport up to when Covid hit. Coincident with retirement I put the car on SORN as there is something needing attention on the clutch. It has an XR3i engine fitted with standard Ford injection ECU, 5 speed box and 14 inch Escort wheels with very good Uniroyal rain tyres all round. The car is not pretty and has a high mileage. Covid got me early on and after effects are still with me so I can't see me able to revive the car in the near future. I have many spares, original worn CVH engine, Refurbished gearbox internals plus a complete gearbox, many light lens and new rear axel support arms. Set of 5 13" wheels Is this something someone may be interested in? Best regards Ken Needham -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/quantumowners/057c8e1c-810d-414a-a31a-e2c9702c89f1n%40googlegroups.com. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/quantumowners/CABxHo%2Bzyc6%3DtYeLBFNXKZf4O8dcSTY9N4pOj5sfmUCfiS6LDdw%40mail.gmail.com. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication
