My 2+2 is 1985 registered and the cheap Ebay H4 Led headlight bulbs would have failed the MOT, the tester let me fit the original H4's. I then purchased a pair of Osram H4 Led headlight bulbs, which made a fantastic difference, but a lot of people were flashing me, as I was dazzling them, I then adjusted the headlights to lower the beam slightly and now nobody flashes at me, I can see so much more and the car has passed 2 MOT's with no problems.
On Sunday, 23 July 2023 at 13:45:29 UTC+1 list...@liberator-systems.co.uk wrote: > The headlight rule change re LED etc. in 2021 was pretty silly IMO and > came in for much criticism. Why pick April 1986 as date ? Surely it would > be better if all older cars were allowed to improve their halogen style > headlights. > My saloon is 1985 reg so luckily I can legally fit led bulbs. > > With regard MOT test I suspect failure is going to be down to how > stringent the individual tester is. Decent brand led replacement bulbs > should give correct beam pattern - after all the manufacturer must have > spent considerable time and effort developing and testing. So if beam > pattern is correct why fail? One option of course is to just pop in some > old H4 bulbs just for the MOT. > > John > > On Saturday, 22 July 2023 at 20:36:04 UTC+1 Mick L wrote: > >> As far as I'm aware they allow hid etc if they have washers and self >> levelling? Correct my if I am wrong? >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* quantu...@googlegroups.com <quantu...@googlegroups.com> on >> behalf of Darren Siepka <dar...@siepka.me.uk> >> *Sent:* 22 July 2023 18:38 >> *To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com <quantu...@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades >> >> Yes my 2+2 head lights ( and flaps) have gone ! >> I have created a mount with the new 90mm Hella unit and a small >> indicator( also modular Hella but about 40mm dia) . >> The 90mm unit is a bi-xenon , it has a single bulb with a flap to create >> the dip cutoff pattern needed for mot. >> Two additional items are also needed for xenon ( not sure about led), >> that is headlamp washers and self levelling. >> Hella sell universal kits to go with the 90mm products , but the washers >> are easily and more cheaply done with a universal windscreen wash kit. >> >> Levelling is a little more tricky, the Hella kit uses ultrasonics , I am >> using OEM lever arm sensors(BMW mini). I am making up a small driver module >> that will read the inputs and adjust the std OEM headlight motors . I will >> publish the build details including firmware as open source as I do all my >> work on GitHub. >> My friendly MOT man is going to let me use the beam aligner out of hours >> to set it up and confirm all is well before the actual MOT test. But I need >> to finish getting the car back on road before I can do that. >> >> Darren >> >> On Sat, 22 Jul 2023, 17:51 mgaskin via Quantum Owners Group, < >> quantu...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> I’ve been doing some reading on the rules about headlights as for a long >> time I’ve wanted to improve my 2+2’s headlights, which seem particularly >> underwhelming after using my modern car. >> >> There’s a lot of conflicting guidance online, which seems to stem from >> some changes to the MOT rules. So I started there, with the relevant part >> seeming to be section 4.1.4: >> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/ >> >> >> >> If I’ve understood it correctly, replacing your halogen bulbs with HID or >> LED equivalents is forbidden for any car used after 1st April 1986, and >> will lead to an automatic failure (‘light source and lamp not >> compatible’). But the part that’s of interest to me, the amended rule, >> seems to state that there is NOT an automatic failure if you have replaced >> the **entire** headlamp unit with an LED or HID alternative. I’m >> presuming that they would need to be CE/UK CA marked, or given an E number >> but, again, that aspect seems to generate conflicting answers – and >> imported Japan-only or USA-only models seem to be able to pass MOTs just >> fine without those markings from what I’ve read. >> >> >> >> There seem to be loads of possible replacement headlight units out there >> so I was wondering firstly if I’ve understood all of this correctly (anyone >> know a tame MOT tester?) and secondly if any of you have replaced your Q’s >> entire original halogen units with an LED or HID alternative. 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