Re: [Quantum Owners]resizing rear window

2017-08-18 Thread Rolf 
Hans, I have a mk2 rearscreen here, if you like to try it for size.
(Heating not working properly, but at least you know which fots best) 
You don't happen to have the 'spare' screen from you 2+2?
Rolf

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Re: [Quantum Owners]resizing rear window

2017-08-17 Thread Hans Defauwes 

I have Saloon Chassis nr Q113

Can't find a good MK2 rear window and happen to have a MK1 one.
I'll try the diamond disk option this weekend . . .  if it breakes so be it.

hans


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From: Jim Hearne

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 9:52 AM
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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners]resizing rear window

Is the car a Mk1 coupe or a Mk2 saloon ?

The windscreen on a Mk1 Fiesta is a different size (bigger) to the Mk2
Fiesta.
With there matching different size rubbers they fit in the same size
opening.
It may well be that the rear screen is the same.
So a Mk2 Fiesta rear screen might be a better fit.

I couldn't get a new Mk2 rear screen to fit back into my Mk2 Saloon without
cutting the bottom off the rubber 'T' trim, the glass was too close a fit to
the opening.

As others have said you almost certainly won't get away with cutting the
glass.

A diamond disc in an angle grinder might let you grind a small amount  off
the edge but would be very risky.
Maybe experiment on an old window first.

I believe they do grind the holes through toughened glass for opening rear
windows etc.

Jim





-Original Message- 
From: Hans Defauwes

Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 1:03 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Quantum Owners]resizing rear window

I need to put a new rear window in the coupe.
I have a brand new MK1 rear window but it is just a bit to wide at the top
Over an area of about 10 to 15cm it needs to be smaller
- 3 to 4 mm at each side (incl. a 1 mm expansion gap)

Any Idea how to do this

Grinding / sanding/ . . . .  with water to cool the glass?

Is it made of safety glass?
Than I might be able to cut it . . .
http://secondchancegarage.com/public/149.cfm

Has anybody done this before?

Hans


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Re: [Quantum Owners]resizing rear window

2017-08-17 Thread Jim Hearne 

Ah, that is possible.

Jim



-Original Message- 
From: Susan and Martin Scott

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:08 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners]resizing rear window

"I believe they do grind the holes through toughened glass for opening rear
windows etc."
When I had some done they drilled the holes before tempering the glass.
Martin
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From: "Jim Hearne" <j...@quantums.info>

To: <quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners]resizing rear window


Is the car a Mk1 coupe or a Mk2 saloon ?

The windscreen on a Mk1 Fiesta is a different size (bigger) to the Mk2
Fiesta.
With there matching different size rubbers they fit in the same size
opening.
It may well be that the rear screen is the same.
So a Mk2 Fiesta rear screen might be a better fit.

I couldn't get a new Mk2 rear screen to fit back into my Mk2 Saloon without
cutting the bottom off the rubber 'T' trim, the glass was too close a fit to
the opening.

As others have said you almost certainly won't get away with cutting the
glass.

A diamond disc in an angle grinder might let you grind a small amount  off
the edge but would be very risky.
Maybe experiment on an old window first.

I believe they do grind the holes through toughened glass for opening rear
windows etc.

Jim





-Original Message- 
From: Hans Defauwes

Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 1:03 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Quantum Owners]resizing rear window

I need to put a new rear window in the coupe.
I have a brand new MK1 rear window but it is just a bit to wide at the top
Over an area of about 10 to 15cm it needs to be smaller
- 3 to 4 mm at each side (incl. a 1 mm expansion gap)

Any Idea how to do this

Grinding / sanding/ . . . .  with water to cool the glass?

Is it made of safety glass?
Than I might be able to cut it . . .
http://secondchancegarage.com/public/149.cfm

Has anybody done this before?

Hans


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Re: [Quantum Owners]resizing rear window

2017-08-17 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 

"I believe they do grind the holes through toughened glass for opening rear
windows etc."
When I had some done they drilled the holes before tempering the glass.
Martin
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From: "Jim Hearne" <j...@quantums.info>

To: <quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners]resizing rear window


Is the car a Mk1 coupe or a Mk2 saloon ?

The windscreen on a Mk1 Fiesta is a different size (bigger) to the Mk2
Fiesta.
With there matching different size rubbers they fit in the same size
opening.
It may well be that the rear screen is the same.
So a Mk2 Fiesta rear screen might be a better fit.

I couldn't get a new Mk2 rear screen to fit back into my Mk2 Saloon without
cutting the bottom off the rubber 'T' trim, the glass was too close a fit to
the opening.

As others have said you almost certainly won't get away with cutting the
glass.

A diamond disc in an angle grinder might let you grind a small amount  off
the edge but would be very risky.
Maybe experiment on an old window first.

I believe they do grind the holes through toughened glass for opening rear
windows etc.

Jim





-Original Message- 
From: Hans Defauwes

Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 1:03 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Quantum Owners]resizing rear window

I need to put a new rear window in the coupe.
I have a brand new MK1 rear window but it is just a bit to wide at the top
Over an area of about 10 to 15cm it needs to be smaller
- 3 to 4 mm at each side (incl. a 1 mm expansion gap)

Any Idea how to do this

Grinding / sanding/ . . . .  with water to cool the glass?

Is it made of safety glass?
Than I might be able to cut it . . .
http://secondchancegarage.com/public/149.cfm

Has anybody done this before?

Hans


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Re: [Quantum Owners]resizing rear window

2017-08-17 Thread Jim Hearne 

Is the car a Mk1 coupe or a Mk2 saloon ?

The windscreen on a Mk1 Fiesta is a different size (bigger) to the Mk2 
Fiesta.
With there matching different size rubbers they fit in the same size 
opening.

It may well be that the rear screen is the same.
So a Mk2 Fiesta rear screen might be a better fit.

I couldn't get a new Mk2 rear screen to fit back into my Mk2 Saloon without 
cutting the bottom off the rubber 'T' trim, the glass was too close a fit to 
the opening.


As others have said you almost certainly won't get away with cutting the 
glass.


A diamond disc in an angle grinder might let you grind a small amount  off 
the edge but would be very risky.

Maybe experiment on an old window first.

I believe they do grind the holes through toughened glass for opening rear 
windows etc.


Jim





-Original Message- 
From: Hans Defauwes

Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 1:03 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Quantum Owners]resizing rear window

I need to put a new rear window in the coupe.
I have a brand new MK1 rear window but it is just a bit to wide at the top
Over an area of about 10 to 15cm it needs to be smaller
- 3 to 4 mm at each side (incl. a 1 mm expansion gap)

Any Idea how to do this

Grinding / sanding/ . . . .  with water to cool the glass?

Is it made of safety glass?
Than I might be able to cut it . . .
http://secondchancegarage.com/public/149.cfm

Has anybody done this before?

Hans


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Re: [Quantum Owners]resizing rear window

2017-08-17 Thread 'Bill Allison' via Quantum Owners Group 
Hans
It's toughened glass, not safety (=laminated) glass and it will shatter if you 
attempt to machine it. Best regards
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  From: Hans Defauwes 
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 Sent: Wednesday, 16 August 2017, 20:49
 Subject: [Quantum Owners]resizing rear window
   
I need to put a new rear window in the coupe.
I have a brand new MK1 rear window but it is just a bit to wide at the top
Over an area of about 10 to 15cm it needs to be smaller
- 3 to 4 mm at each side (incl. a 1 mm expansion gap)

Any Idea how to do this

Grinding / sanding/ . . . .  with water to cool the glass?

Is it made of safety glass?
Than I might be able to cut it . . . 
http://secondchancegarage.com/public/149.cfm

Has anybody done this before?

Hans 


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Re: [Quantum Owners]resizing rear window

2017-08-16 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 
QSC made reference to the front screen made by HW as being the 'best size' 
to fit the aperture, but I don't know if there was a similar reference to a 
manufacturer of the 'best fit' rear screen.

Martin


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To: 
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Subject: [Quantum Owners]resizing rear window


I need to put a new rear window in the coupe.
I have a brand new MK1 rear window but it is just a bit to wide at the top
Over an area of about 10 to 15cm it needs to be smaller
- 3 to 4 mm at each side (incl. a 1 mm expansion gap)

Any Idea how to do this

Grinding / sanding/ . . . .  with water to cool the glass?

Is it made of safety glass?
Than I might be able to cut it . . .
http://secondchancegarage.com/public/149.cfm

Has anybody done this before?

Hans


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Re: [Quantum Owners]resizing rear window

2017-08-16 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 
To add to the confusion, in the UK tempered glass is often referred to as 
'safety glass'!
The rear screen is tempered glass, and will shatter if attempts are made to 
modify it (even grinding)
The front screen (laminated) with the 'plastic' membrane between 2 sheets of 
glass can be modified (with care and using the method in your link)

Martin


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To: 
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Subject: [Quantum Owners]resizing rear window


I need to put a new rear window in the coupe.
I have a brand new MK1 rear window but it is just a bit to wide at the top
Over an area of about 10 to 15cm it needs to be smaller
- 3 to 4 mm at each side (incl. a 1 mm expansion gap)

Any Idea how to do this

Grinding / sanding/ . . . .  with water to cool the glass?

Is it made of safety glass?
Than I might be able to cut it . . .
http://secondchancegarage.com/public/149.cfm

Has anybody done this before?

Hans


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