Re: [qubes-users] mu4e, easy pg and split-gpg

[Niels Kobschätzki]

Andrew David Wong writes:

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> On 2016-07-08 21:12, Niels Kobschätzki wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> when I try to use mu4e with easy pg to do anything with mails I
>> just get a GPG-error. For example with epa-mail-sign I get:
>> GPG-error: "Sign failed", "Exit" after Qubes asks me to access my
>> gpg-keys and allowing to do so. My vault with my gpg-keys is
>> accessed and mutt/split-gpg works fine. Does anyone have an idea
>> what the problem could be?
>> 
>> Niels
>> 
>
> I've reopened our existing "Split GPG support for EasyPG" issue and
> added your question:
>
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2057

Thanks

Niels

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Re: [qubes-users] Presentation

[Andrew David Wong]

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On 2016-07-09 13:05, Gustavo Lapido Loureiro wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've just joined the group and would like to give a brief 
> presentation.
> 
> I leave in Brazil and have a computer science bachelor degree from
>  the eighties.
> 
> I mainly worked as a Cobol programmer so far but a couple of years
>  ago I discovered Linux and since then, I've been tweaking here and
>  there during my spare hours at home.
> 
> I'm an Ubuntu guy, but when I hear about Qubes OS I became 
> fascinated by its "strange" paradigm of having everything 
> virtualized.
> 
> Since yesterday, I decided to replace ubuntu for Qubes OS. I love 
> Ubuntu, but I really wanted to dive deeper into Qubes.
> 
> I'm not that concerned about security. What I'm really fascinated 
> about is having this computer which, at first sight seems as any 
> computer, but when looked closer shows a seamless collection of 
> paravirtualized environments. This drives me towards an aesthetic 
> feeling of facing (and using) a beatiful work of art.
> 
> Finally, I realize that I joined the group in a tense moment, but I
>  hope everything is solved in the best way to all.
> 
> Best wishes to all.
> 

Welcome, Gustavo!

> This drives me towards an aesthetic feeling of facing (and using)
> a beatiful work of art.

That's quite a compliment! :)

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Re: [qubes-users] Template installation not being reflected on AppVMs

[Andrew David Wong]

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On 2016-07-09 04:14, danmichaels8...@gmail.com wrote:
> I did both the template VM restart, and the menu refresh, and it
> worked.
> 
> One thing is.. when installing a Debian template, it didn't show up
> in the menu.
> 
> So then I did a menu refresh, and Debian showed up in the menu.
> 
> The menu really shouldn't be lagging behind like this.
> 
> Should QUBES include a feature that automatically refreshes the
> menu every few minutes or something..?
> 
> It seems as if QUBES should have a background script running that
> runs:
> 
> qvm-sync-appmenus 
> 
> every few minutes
> 

I think running it every few minutes would be too big of a performance
hit. However, that command is automatically executed whenever a
template is updated.

At least, I know this happens on Fedora templates. Marek, is it not
implemented for Debian?

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Re: [qubes-users] mu4e, easy pg and split-gpg

[Andrew David Wong]

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On 2016-07-08 21:12, Niels Kobschätzki wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> when I try to use mu4e with easy pg to do anything with mails I
> just get a GPG-error. For example with epa-mail-sign I get:
> GPG-error: "Sign failed", "Exit" after Qubes asks me to access my
> gpg-keys and allowing to do so. My vault with my gpg-keys is
> accessed and mutt/split-gpg works fine. Does anyone have an idea
> what the problem could be?
> 
> Niels
> 

I've reopened our existing "Split GPG support for EasyPG" issue and
added your question:

https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2057

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[qubes-users] Error Making archlinux template. Target not found pulseaudio < 9.0

[Facundo Curti]

Hi there.
I'm trying to make an archlinux template following this guide:

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/templates/archlinux/

But when I try to:

*make gui-agent-linux-vm*
I get this error:

Currently installed dependencies:
> git-2.5.5-1.fc23.x86_64
> rpmdevtools-8.9-1.fc23.noarch
> rpm-build-4.13.0-0.rc1.13.fc23.x86_64
> createrepo-0.10.3-3.fc21.noarch
> debootstrap-1.0.80-1.fc23.noarch
> dpkg-dev-1.17.25-6.fc23.noarch
> python-sh-1.11-1.fc23.noarch
> dialog-1.2-16.20150528.fc23.x86_64
> --> Archlinux dist-prepare-chroot (makefile):
>   --> Checking mounting of dev/proc/sys on build chroot...
>   --> Synchronize resolv.conf, in case it changed since last run...
> -> Building gui-agent-linux (archlinux) for archlinux vm (logfile:
> build-logs/gui-agent-linux-vm-archlinux.log)
> --> build failed!
>   -> Disabling key D4DE5ABDE2A7287644EAC7E36D1A9E70E19DAA50...
>   -> Disabling key BC1FBE4D2826A0B51E47ED62E2539214C6C11350...
>   -> Disabling key 9515D8A8EAB88E49BB65EDBCE6B456CAF15447D5...
>   -> Disabling key 4A8B17E20B88ACA61860009B5CED81B7C2E5C0D2...
>   -> Disabling key 63F395DE2D6398BBE458F281F2DBB4931985A992...
>   -> Disabling key 0B20CA1931F5DA3A70D0F8D2EA6836E1AB441196...
>   -> Disabling key 8F76BEEA0289F9E1D3E229C05F946DED983D4366...
>   -> Disabling key 66BD74A036D522F51DD70A3C7F2A16726521E06D...
>   -> Disabling key 81D7F8241DB38BC759C80FCE3A726C6170E80477...
>   -> Disabling key E7210A59715F6940CF9A4E36A001876699AD6E84...
> ==> Updating trust database...
> gpg: next trustdb check due at 2016-10-19
> :: Synchronizing package databases...
>  core is up to date
>  extra is up to date
>  community is up to date
>  multilib is up to date
>  qubes is up to date
> :: Starting full system upgrade...
>  there is nothing to do
> --> Archlinux dist-package (makefile)
>   --> Building package in /home/user/qubes-src/gui-agent-linux
> sudo BACKEND_VMM=xen chroot "/home/user/qubes-builder/chroot-archlinux" su
> user -c *'cd "/home/user/qubes-src/gui-agent-linux" && cp
> archlinux/PKGBUILD* *./ && env http_proxy="" makepkg --syncdeps
> --noconfirm --skipinteg'
> ==> Making package: qubes-vm-gui 3.1.7-5 (Sat Jul  9 23:44:54 UTC 2016)
> ==> Checking runtime dependencies...
> *==> Installing missing dependencies...*
> *error: target not found: pulseaudio<9.0*
> ==> ERROR: 'pacman' failed to install missing dependencies.
> /home/user/qubes-builder/qubes-src/builder-archlinux/Makefile.archlinux:120:
> recipe for target 'dist-package' failed
> make[2]: *** [dist-package] Error 1
> Makefile.generic:139: recipe for target 'packages' failed
> make[1]: *** [packages] Error 1
> Makefile:208: recipe for target 'gui-agent-linux-vm' failed
> make: *** [gui-agent-linux-vm] Error 1
>


So, I edited qubes-src/gui-agent-linux/archlinux/*PKGBUILD* on line *16*:

depends=('pulseaudio>=8.0' *'pulseaudio<9.0'* 'xorg-server>=1.18.0'
> 'xorg-server<1.19.0' 'qubes-vm-core>=3.0.14' 'xorg-xinit' 'alsa-lib'
> 'alsa-utils' 'pulseaudio-alsa' 'libxcomposite' 'zenity'
> 'qubes-libvchan-xen' 'python2-xcffib')
>

By:

depends=('pulseaudio>=8.0' *'pulseaudio<10.0' * 'xorg-server>=1.18.0'
> 'xorg-server<1.19.0' 'qubes-vm-core>=3.0.14' 'xorg-xinit' 'alsa-lib'
> 'alsa-utils' 'pulseaudio-alsa' 'libxcomposite' 'zenity'
> 'qubes-libvchan-xen' 'python2-xcffib')
>

But now, I get this error:

 gcc -march=x86-64 -mtune=generic -O2 -pipe -fstack-protector-strong
> -I../include/ `pkg-config --cflags vchan-xen` -g -Wall -Wextra -Werror -pie
> -fPIC -DUSE_XENSTORE_H -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2  -c -o ../gui-common/error.o
> ../gui-common/error.c
> ../gui-common/error.c: In function ‘dummy_handler’:
> ../gui-common/error.c:37:5: error: this ‘if’ clause does not guard...
> [-Werror=misleading-indentation]
>  if (!print_x11_errors)
>  ^~
> ../gui-common/error.c:40:2: note: ...this statement, but the latter is
> misleadingly indented as if it is guarded by the ‘if’
>   XGetErrorText(dpy, ev->error_code, buf, sizeof(buf));
>   ^
> cc1: all warnings being treated as errors
> make[1]: *** [: ../gui-common/error.o] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/user/qubes-src/gui-agent-linux/gui-agent'
> make: *** [Makefile:50: gui-agent/qubes-gui] Error 2
> ==> ERROR: A failure occurred in build().
> Aborting...
> /home/user/qubes-builder/qubes-src/builder-archlinux/Makefile.archlinux:120:
> recipe for target 'dist-package' failed
> make[2]: *** [dist-package] Error 2
> Makefile.generic:139: recipe for target 'packages' failed
> make[1]: *** [packages] Error 1
> Makefile:208: recipe for target 'gui-agent-linux-vm' failed
> make: *** [gui-agent-linux-vm] Error 1
>



 I also tried making this:

> cd qubes-builder/qubes-src/gui-agent-linux/pulse
> ls
> cp -r pulsecore-#lastversion pulsecore-#archlinuxversion
>
>
According to https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/building-archlinux-template/

But I get the same error.

Hope someone can help me plz. I'm new with Qubes. It is a one day install :3

Thank you! :)

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[qubes-users] QUBES 3.2 won't install... EFI_MEMMAP is not enabled... ESRT header is not in the memory map

[neilhardley]

I am trying to install QUBES 3.2-rc1

I get onto the screen with penguins, and it says

efi: EFI_MEMMAP is not enabled

esrt: ESRT header is not in the memory map

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And then it just stays there and doesn't do anything.

Is this normal..?

Am I just supposed to wait..?

Or is there something wrong here...?

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I am able to install QUBES 3.0 just perfectly but not 3.2-rc1

I was also getting stuck on this penguin screen when trying to install QUBES 
3.1 as well.

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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes-users forum - Please, moderate this guy

[Achim Patzner]

> Am 09.07.2016 um 15:29 schrieb Chris Laprise :
> On 07/09/2016 08:17 AM, Gorka Alonso wrote:
>> Even me, being heterosexual, feel offended with this attitude.
> I agree.

I’m neither really heterosexual nor depressed nor do I really feel offended. 
This more than slightly disoriented individual is appearing around a number of 
mailing lists and forums from time to time (doesn’t anybody remember the last 
similar occurrence here?), annoying the community with complete nonsense until 
he finds something to feel insulted about and tries picking a fight. If you 
don’t feed him after his initial attack he’ll just wither away.

Yes, moderation would help but would you really want someone to read every 
single message before forwarding it to the mailing list? Right now it is easier 
to provoke an attack (as I did) and then ignore him (which after all will annoy 
him more). That’s why I put up the

___
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   ||__||  |   Please don't   |
  /   O O\__   feed   |
 /  \   the trolls|
/  \ \|
   /   _\ \ -- 
  /|\\ \ ||
 / | | | |\/ ||
/   \|_|_|/   |__||
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[qubes-users] Re: Presentation

[Gustavo Lapido Loureiro]

On Saturday, July 9, 2016 at 5:05:35 PM UTC-3, Gustavo Lapido Loureiro wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've just joined the group and would like to give a brief presentation.
> 
> I leave in Brazil and have a computer science bachelor degree from the 
> eighties.
> 
> I mainly worked as a Cobol programmer so far but a couple of years ago I 
> discovered Linux and since then, I've been tweaking here and there during my 
> spare hours at home.
> 
> I'm an Ubuntu guy, but when I hear about Qubes OS I became fascinated by its 
> "strange" paradigm of having everything virtualized.
> 
> Since yesterday, I decided to replace ubuntu for Qubes OS. I love Ubuntu, but 
> I really wanted to dive deeper into Qubes.
> 
> I'm not that concerned about security. What I'm really fascinated about is 
> having this computer which, at first sight seems as any computer, but when 
> looked closer shows a seamless collection of paravirtualized environments. 
> This drives me towards an aesthetic feeling of facing (and using) a beatiful 
> work of art.
> 
> Finally, I realize that I joined the group in a tense moment, but I hope 
> everything is solved in the best way to all.
> 
> Best wishes to all.

Oh, I forgot to mention, I'm running Qubes on a Dell Inspiron N4050, 6 GB of 
ram.

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[qubes-users] Presentation

[Gustavo Lapido Loureiro]

Hi,

I've just joined the group and would like to give a brief presentation.

I leave in Brazil and have a computer science bachelor degree from the eighties.

I mainly worked as a Cobol programmer so far but a couple of years ago I 
discovered Linux and since then, I've been tweaking here and there during my 
spare hours at home.

I'm an Ubuntu guy, but when I hear about Qubes OS I became fascinated by its 
"strange" paradigm of having everything virtualized.

Since yesterday, I decided to replace ubuntu for Qubes OS. I love Ubuntu, but I 
really wanted to dive deeper into Qubes.

I'm not that concerned about security. What I'm really fascinated about is 
having this computer which, at first sight seems as any computer, but when 
looked closer shows a seamless collection of paravirtualized environments. This 
drives me towards an aesthetic feeling of facing (and using) a beatiful work of 
art.

Finally, I realize that I joined the group in a tense moment, but I hope 
everything is solved in the best way to all.

Best wishes to all.

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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes-users forum - Please, moderate this guy

[Holger Levsen]

On Sat, Jul 09, 2016 at 10:31:16AM -0700, bur...@gmail.com wrote:
> I don't think those characterizations hold up. A person arriving at this 
> venue will be sensitive to social signals of acceptance or intolerance. They 
> may arrive here from links in the documentation. And it channels important 
> statements from ITL.
> 
> The approach advocated here creates a medium for hateful messages to dominate 
> against a background of silence.

FWIW I fully agree. Just ignoring assholes is not enough to prevent
those from poisoning a community.


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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes-users forum - Please, moderate this guy

[burzze]

On Saturday, July 9, 2016 at 12:40:35 PM UTC-4, Alex wrote:
> On 07/09/2016 06:21 PM, bur...@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > If antisocial attitudes start propagating on the list, then curtail
> > it. Don't let newcomers wonder whether the project managers condone
> > those messages. That is toxic.
> This is not about propagation; the solutions proposed is dropping the
> conversation, which is different. More on this later on.
> 
> > Making it all about them and their feelings means being held hostage
> > to their sentiments. But if they feel strongly, they're going to also
> > feel entitled to do it everywhere when no one calles them out for
> > their abuse.
> The energy of a troll ends sooner or later; be it intentional, when
> there is no reaction, or non-intentional, when the isolation is starting
> to be apparent.
> 
> > In my experience, this kind of free-wheeling attitude usually only
> > applies to abuse from privileged viewpoints and serves to enlarge
> > their sense of entitlement. When the abuse goes in the other
> > direction, however, there isn't even a discussion and action is
> > taken.
> > 
> > There is no doubt in my mind that abuse aimed at some other targets
> > would already have been dispatched with at least a note of
> > disapproval.
> There is nothing wrong with that. This mailing list is free, but has
> been started by somebody, and they make the rules. Nobody said that
> there is (or needs to be) any democracy, rule of law, or impartiality
> with that. This is not a journal, these are not articles, we are
> perfectly aware that there are dogs writing at our keyboard and that our
> opinions are completely just that, opinions. If you seek truth, don't
> search for it on the web. Go read a book, which has to have (by law) a
> known author (or authors), or a journal, which has to have (by law)
> known authors and an obligation of correction of mistakes.
> 
> Those law requirements do not apply to pen-marker writings on the walls
> of a train station, why should you try to apply them here?

I don't think those characterizations hold up. A person arriving at this venue 
will be sensitive to social signals of acceptance or intolerance. They may 
arrive here from links in the documentation. And it channels important 
statements from ITL.

The approach advocated here creates a medium for hateful messages to dominate 
against a background of silence.


> 
> > You're probably a native English speaker; Even as the digital divide
> > has shrunk, the Anglophone web is still dripping with intolerance
> > coming from straight, white, religious, male hatred that looks down
> > on everyone else. You may also be spending too much time in your
> > activist circles; Skim random videos on Youtube, or comment sections
> > of tech sites...its unavoidable in those venues and flourishes
> > because it receives tacit approval.
> And yet, people in their right mind should never trust unreliable
> sources. I myself *could* register a dozen gmail accounts and go write
> everywhere on the net about $thing. This does not make it real, and does
> not make it more trustworthy than a thousand pen-marker writings on the
> walls of a train station.
> 
> Tacit approval is a problem with verified sources, say books, newspapers
> or journals, and this is exactly why they have an obligation of
> correction by law. If you see a problem with this, it's because you are
> trying to compare very different forms of pubblications.

Not only is this an official forum, referenced by the system documentation and 
bug tracker, and where messages are often signed... but I find your "go read a 
book" comment to be a bit too dismissive. So I can start to get an impression 
where your sympathies lie, because you didn't tell the troll to go somewhere 
else for answers. (Interesting how easily that attitude couched in erudite 
language gets twisted against those who speak up.) You're misrepresenting the 
nature of the medium and making excuses for his outbursts instead. And you said 
its fine if there is a bias.

This fake position of indifference is really thinly-veiled hostility... If you 
don't want to hear people complaining about trolls, I suggest YOU go find a 
book that doesn't exist (the Qubes book) and read it. Don't be an asshole.

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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes-users forum - Please, moderate this guy

[Alex]

On 07/09/2016 06:21 PM, bur...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> If antisocial attitudes start propagating on the list, then curtail
> it. Don't let newcomers wonder whether the project managers condone
> those messages. That is toxic.
This is not about propagation; the solutions proposed is dropping the
conversation, which is different. More on this later on.

> Making it all about them and their feelings means being held hostage
> to their sentiments. But if they feel strongly, they're going to also
> feel entitled to do it everywhere when no one calles them out for
> their abuse.
The energy of a troll ends sooner or later; be it intentional, when
there is no reaction, or non-intentional, when the isolation is starting
to be apparent.

> In my experience, this kind of free-wheeling attitude usually only
> applies to abuse from privileged viewpoints and serves to enlarge
> their sense of entitlement. When the abuse goes in the other
> direction, however, there isn't even a discussion and action is
> taken.
> 
> There is no doubt in my mind that abuse aimed at some other targets
> would already have been dispatched with at least a note of
> disapproval.
There is nothing wrong with that. This mailing list is free, but has
been started by somebody, and they make the rules. Nobody said that
there is (or needs to be) any democracy, rule of law, or impartiality
with that. This is not a journal, these are not articles, we are
perfectly aware that there are dogs writing at our keyboard and that our
opinions are completely just that, opinions. If you seek truth, don't
search for it on the web. Go read a book, which has to have (by law) a
known author (or authors), or a journal, which has to have (by law)
known authors and an obligation of correction of mistakes.

Those law requirements do not apply to pen-marker writings on the walls
of a train station, why should you try to apply them here?

> You're probably a native English speaker; Even as the digital divide
> has shrunk, the Anglophone web is still dripping with intolerance
> coming from straight, white, religious, male hatred that looks down
> on everyone else. You may also be spending too much time in your
> activist circles; Skim random videos on Youtube, or comment sections
> of tech sites...its unavoidable in those venues and flourishes
> because it receives tacit approval.
And yet, people in their right mind should never trust unreliable
sources. I myself *could* register a dozen gmail accounts and go write
everywhere on the net about $thing. This does not make it real, and does
not make it more trustworthy than a thousand pen-marker writings on the
walls of a train station.

Tacit approval is a problem with verified sources, say books, newspapers
or journals, and this is exactly why they have an obligation of
correction by law. If you see a problem with this, it's because you are
trying to compare very different forms of pubblications.

> And lets not ignore the fact that your post has already served as a
> segue point to make excuses for the poor misunderstood souls. It
> would be funny if it didn't make ITL appear comfortable with
> bigotry.
As I said, publishing on a journal/book/registered website is *one*
thing, an intentionally unmoderated list of e-mails is *another*, and
the latter does *not* produce any form of endorsement, nor "being
confortable with" anything.

The suggested solution connects with this difference, in that the fact
that published e-mails are a form of conversation gives endorsement in
replying. So dropping the conversation altogether IS the most effective
form of rebuttal on *this* particular form of communication/publishing.

The fact that the english language is so extremely simple does not give
me different words for "publishing on a journal", which implies some
form of trust in the authors, because of requirements by law, and
"publishing as in writing on a wall", which does not provide any form of
verification of any authors. You can liken the comments on a video/blog
post/tumblr to this flurry of e-mails. They are completely insignificant
per se, and gain importance only in their contents.

This mailing list is just people writing on a wall, there are
interesting articles, and kids drawing dick pictures. Ignore the dick
pictures, for the many of them that may appear, and take the interesting
bits.

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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes-users forum - Please, moderate this guy

[Alex]

On 07/09/2016 04:59 PM, Desobediente wrote:
> I'm a political activist with years of experience of dealing with
> related situations, especially in the internet, and I endorse the
> idea that the single thing you can do is to ignore these things.
> [...]
Another thing I think may help the younger people understand the
toughness of the problem of understanding each other on the internet is
the fact that, by written word only, you cannot easily ascertain the
state of mind of the writer. "Bad guys" on the internet are not always
trolls.

As an example, people may sit at their computer after a hard day at
work, or after an argument with their partner, and may channel their
stress to their fingertips. The fact that sending e-mails does not incur
in post fees, and that there is a sense of anonymity, unleashes the
worst of us even when it's not intended.

So, there are people whose work is to disrupt online communities, be it
for a paid job, or for fun, and there are hard moments in the life of
everyone of us. Everyone of these people may sit at a computer and write
an e-mail, and we can never be 100% sure of what their ideas actually
are. Mix that with the fact that a lot of the users here are not native
english speaker (myself included), and may use figures of speech that
make sense only in some specific culture.

TL;DR: Drop the conversation already if it takes a wrong turn. There
will be many more occasions of agreement together later in time.

I may not have the experience of Disobediente, but that's what I
observed in my life with people I got to know.

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[qubes-users] Re: SUCCESS: GPU passthrough on Qubes 3.1 (Xen 4.6.1) / Radeon 6950 / Win 7 & Win 8.1 (TUTORIAL + HCL)

[Marcus at WetwareLabs]

On Saturday, July 9, 2016 at 5:57:42 PM UTC+3, Marcus at WetwareLabs wrote:
> Here's the patch.

Forgot to add that if spoofing is turned on for an already-installed Windows 
VM, there was a BSOD during boot (Windows really doesn't like if hypervisor 
suddenly disappears..). Re-installing Windows (with spoofing on) fixes this 
(maybe fixing installation with rescue CD could work also, but I did not test 
that).

 

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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes-users forum - Please, moderate this guy

[Desobediente]

I'm a political activist with years of experience of dealing with related 
situations, especially in the internet, and I endorse the idea that the single 
thing you can do is to ignore these things.

A really sad thing indeed, and irritating, but in the end it boils down to 
"just ignore".

The technical nature of a mailing list does not allow "banning", in some cases, 
not even "moderation". Even if messages are erased from groups.google.com, 
everyone has a copy already. In a controlled environment where you could 
determine whether people are able to read some messages, that would be 
possible. But given the circumstances, that's not an option.

That said, there is another problem. When you censor people that has a strong 
opinion (not saying it's right or wrong), they get upset and usually start 
promoting even more of the same agenda. So when you say someone is wrong and 
should shut up, what you are really doing is telling them that they should 
continue making their point again and again and in so many ways until it's 
spammed everywhere and there's no way that anyone doesn't see it.

In this given context, whenever you fight back anything you don't agree with, 
the subject will almost always presume that "you didn't get it" and will flame 
you with all kinds of different ways of saying the very same thing, until you 
admit he's right.

My experience shows that there are other ways of achieving victory in a 
ideological fight than to elect a operational system mailing list as a stage, 
but don't get my word, I recommend anyone to try and see for itself ;)

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[qubes-users] Re: SUCCESS: GPU passthrough on Qubes 3.1 (Xen 4.6.1) / Radeon 6950 / Win 7 & Win 8.1 (TUTORIAL + HCL)

[Marcus at WetwareLabs]

Here's the patch.

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diff -ur -x .cproject -x .project -x '*.swp' xen-4.6.1/tools/firmware/hvmloader/hvmloader.c xen-4.6.1-new/tools/firmware/hvmloader/hvmloader.c
--- xen-4.6.1/tools/firmware/hvmloader/hvmloader.c	2016-02-09 16:44:19.0 +0200
+++ xen-4.6.1-new/tools/firmware/hvmloader/hvmloader.c	2016-07-04 23:31:32.81500 +0300
@@ -127,9 +127,11 @@
 
 if ( !strcmp("XenVMMXenVMM", signature) )
 break;
+if ( !strcmp("ZenZenZenZen", signature) )
+break;
 }
 
-BUG_ON(strcmp("XenVMMXenVMM", signature) || ((eax - base) < 2));
+BUG_ON( (strcmp("XenVMMXenVMM", signature) && strcmp("ZenZenZenZen", signature) ) || ((eax - base) < 2));
 
 /* Fill in hypercall transfer pages. */
 cpuid(base + 2, , , , );
diff -ur -x .cproject -x .project -x '*.swp' xen-4.6.1/tools/libxl/libxl_create.c xen-4.6.1-new/tools/libxl/libxl_create.c
--- xen-4.6.1/tools/libxl/libxl_create.c	2016-07-09 16:47:05.18100 +0300
+++ xen-4.6.1-new/tools/libxl/libxl_create.c	2016-07-04 23:49:54.80200 +0300
@@ -284,6 +284,8 @@
 libxl_defbool_setdefault(_info->u.hvm.acpi_s4,true);
 libxl_defbool_setdefault(_info->u.hvm.nx, true);
 libxl_defbool_setdefault(_info->u.hvm.viridian,   false);
+libxl_defbool_setdefault(_info->u.hvm.spoof_viridian, false);
+libxl_defbool_setdefault(_info->u.hvm.spoof_xen,  false);
 libxl_defbool_setdefault(_info->u.hvm.hpet,   true);
 libxl_defbool_setdefault(_info->u.hvm.vpt_align,  true);
 libxl_defbool_setdefault(_info->u.hvm.nested_hvm, false);
@@ -1263,6 +1265,11 @@
 libxl__device_console_add(gc, domid, , state, );
 libxl__device_console_dispose();
 
+LOG(DEBUG, "wetware - checking spoofing for guest (domid %d): xen %d, vir %d", domid,
+	 libxl_defbool_val(d_config->b_info.u.hvm.spoof_xen),
+	 libxl_defbool_val(d_config->b_info.u.hvm.spoof_viridian)
+ );
+
 dcs->dmss.dm.guest_domid = domid;
 if (libxl_defbool_val(d_config->b_info.device_model_stubdomain))
 libxl__spawn_stub_dm(egc, >dmss);
diff -ur -x .cproject -x .project -x '*.swp' xen-4.6.1/tools/libxl/libxl_dom.c xen-4.6.1-new/tools/libxl/libxl_dom.c
--- xen-4.6.1/tools/libxl/libxl_dom.c	2016-07-09 16:47:05.21200 +0300
+++ xen-4.6.1-new/tools/libxl/libxl_dom.c	2016-07-04 23:31:32.81900 +0300
@@ -287,6 +287,10 @@
 libxl_defbool_val(info->u.hvm.nested_hvm));
 xc_hvm_param_set(handle, domid, HVM_PARAM_ALTP2M,
 libxl_defbool_val(info->u.hvm.altp2m));
+xc_hvm_param_set(handle, domid, HVM_PARAM_SPOOF_XEN,
+libxl_defbool_val(info->u.hvm.spoof_xen));
+xc_hvm_param_set(handle, domid, HVM_PARAM_SPOOF_VIRIDIAN,
+libxl_defbool_val(info->u.hvm.spoof_viridian));
 }
 
 int libxl__build_pre(libxl__gc *gc, uint32_t domid,
diff -ur -x .cproject -x .project -x '*.swp' xen-4.6.1/tools/libxl/libxl_types.idl xen-4.6.1-new/tools/libxl/libxl_types.idl
--- xen-4.6.1/tools/libxl/libxl_types.idl	2016-02-09 16:44:19.0 +0200
+++ xen-4.6.1-new/tools/libxl/libxl_types.idl	2016-07-09 16:31:16.18100 +0300
@@ -468,6 +468,8 @@
("viridian", libxl_defbool),
("viridian_enable",  libxl_bitmap),
("viridian_disable", libxl_bitmap),
+   ("spoof_viridian",   libxl_defbool),
+   ("spoof_xen",libxl_defbool),
("timeoffset",   string),
("hpet", libxl_defbool),
("vpt_align",libxl_defbool),
diff -ur -x .cproject -x .project -x '*.swp' xen-4.6.1/tools/libxl/xl_cmdimpl.c xen-4.6.1-new/tools/libxl/xl_cmdimpl.c
--- xen-4.6.1/tools/libxl/xl_cmdimpl.c	2016-07-09 16:47:05.02700 +0300
+++ xen-4.6.1-new/tools/libxl/xl_cmdimpl.c	2016-07-04 23:32:38.04600 +0300
@@ -1507,6 +1507,10 @@
 xlu_cfg_get_defbool(config, "hpet", _info->u.hvm.hpet, 0);
 xlu_cfg_get_defbool(config, "vpt_align", _info->u.hvm.vpt_align, 0);
 
+xlu_cfg_get_defbool(config, "spoof_xen", _info->u.hvm.spoof_xen, 0);
+xlu_cfg_get_defbool(config, "spoof_viridian", 

[qubes-users] Re: SUCCESS: GPU passthrough on Qubes 3.1 (Xen 4.6.1) / Radeon 6950 / Win 7 & Win 8.1 (TUTORIAL + HCL)

[Marcus at WetwareLabs]

I've continued experimenting with GTX 980 passthrough with Arch Linux. I 
noticed that the xf86-video-nouveau does NOT in fact have Maxwell support. One 
would think otherwise looking at their Feature Matrix here: 
https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/
NV110 is the Maxwell family (GTX 980 including). But the mode-setting driver 
can be used instead, so *I finally got GTX 980 PT working in Arch Linux*:

Add this file to  /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nouveau.conf
```
Section "Device"
  Identifier "NVidia Card"
  Driver "modesetting"
  BusID "PCI:0:5:0"
EndSection
```

Note that the PCI address is the address that the GPU has inside the VM (use 
lspci IN the vm to find out that).  Also "pci_msitranslate=0" has to be set in 
VM configuration, otherwise VM will hang when X is started.

This is tested with Arch linux (up to date 8.7.2016), with Linux 4.6.3-1-ARCH, 
modesetting and X versions 1.18.3.

-

Ok, now that it's proven that newer Nvidia cards CAN in fact be passed through 
in Xen, I tried the official NVidia binary driver, but it failed with error 
message "The NVIDIA GPU at PCI:0:5:0 is not supported by the 367.27 NVIDIA 
driver".

I think that's the proprietary driver refusing to work when it detects that 
it's running under hypervisor (the Code 43 issue in Windows). Since KVM has for 
a while supported hiding both the "KVMKVMKVMKVM" signature (with "-cpu kvm=off" 
flag) as well as the Viridian hypervisor signature ("-cpu hv_vendor_id="..." 
flag), and currently there's no such functionality in Xen, I patched  it in 
quite similar way to what Alex Willimson did to KVM.

Attached is a patch for Xen 4.6.1 that spoofs Xen signature ("XenVMMXenVMM" to 
"ZenZenZenZen") and Viridian signature ("Microsoft Hv" to "Wetware Labs") when 
"spoof_xen=1" and "spoof_viridian=1" are added VM configuration file.

The signatures are currently hard-coded, and currently there's no way to modify 
them (beyond re-compiling Xen), since HVMLoader also uses a hard-coded string 
to detect Xen and there's no API (understandably) to change that signature in 
real-time.

WARNING! In case you try the patch, you MUST re-compile and install also 
core-libvirt (in addition to vmm-xen) packages. Otherwise starting all DomUs 
will fail! You have been warned :)

-

With this patch, the *NVidia binary driver (version 367.27) works also on Arch 
Linux* :)

However this was not enough on Windows 7 and 8.1 VMs (driver version 368.39) 
still announce Error 43 :(

I would love if others could test this as well. Maybe the Windows driver uses 
some other functionality to check for hypervisor, or maybe it's not a spoofing 
issue at all.

More investigation coming in..




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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes-users forum - Please, moderate this guy

[Duncan Guthrie]

On 9 July 2016 13:17:13 BST, Gorka Alonso  wrote:
>
>
>https://groups.google.com/d/msg/qubes-users/V8_SvMk0yx0/P4VNTpFnBQAJ
>
>"Achim. Don't forget YOU are the homosexual, NOT ME. That's a mental
>disease, doesn't matter if for political reasons was removed or not
>from disease list."
>
>Even me, being heterosexual, feel offended with this attitude.

Here is another bad thing they said: 

"If you want to REMAIN WRONg, you - consider some kinda autistic thinking about 
to WHO is qubes directed
with a limited mind about what are the activities of a NORMAL PERSON
inside a computer."

Again, I think this is needlessly inflammatory and stigmatises autistic people.

D.

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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes-users forum - Please, moderate this guy

[Chris Laprise]

On 07/09/2016 08:17 AM, Gorka Alonso wrote:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/qubes-users/V8_SvMk0yx0/P4VNTpFnBQAJ

"Achim. Don't forget YOU are the homosexual, NOT ME. That's a mental disease, 
doesn't matter if for political reasons was removed or not from disease list."

Even me, being heterosexual, feel offended with this attitude.



I agree.

Chris

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[qubes-users] How to get Yeti USB mic working with QUBES..?

[danmichaels8876]

I have a Blue Mic Yeti and am trying to get it working with QUBES.

I tried attaching audio to a VM, but it didn't work.

I need a simple step-by-step guide for how to use a USB mic with QUBES.

The mic is plug-and-play, and requires no installation, both in Linux and in 
Windows.

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Re: [qubes-users] Strange folders in vm-templates

[Marek Marczykowski-Górecki]

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On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:24:05PM +0200, Niels Kobschaetzki wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> since i had some problems with my templates after installing Qubes 3.2
> (see previous mail), I just had a look in /var/lib/qubes/vm-templates
> and I see there besides the expected templates also 3 templates that
> look like this:
> fedora-23-copr-clone-1A6eL0j
> fedora-23-copr-clone-1cPvaAp
> fedora-23-copr-clone-1n4VUBC
> 
> I don't see them in the Qubes VM Manager. Can I delete those? If yes, is
> a rm -rf "folder-name" enough or do I have to do something else as well?
> It seems they take up something like 15GB.

Those directories are leftovers after failed clone operation. You can
safely remove them.

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes top priorities suggestions for me as an user.

[jurisdan]

Em sexta-feira, 8 de julho de 2016 18:04:10 UTC-3, Achim Patzner  escreveu:
> Am 08.07.2016 um 10:56 schrieb juris...@gmail.com:
> > HERE!!! This is the perfect qubes solution according to this guy.
> Whatever they prescribed you, please take your pills. You really need them.
> 
> To the rest: Could everybody please stop feeding the troll; some of us
> had quite a busy week and it is bad enough having to catch up with this
> list without having to wade through this kind of bullshit.
> 
> 
> Achim

Achim. Don't forget YOU are the homosexual, NOT ME. That's a mental disease, 
doesn't matter if for political reasons was removed or not from disease list.

By the way, you are not THAT secure, are you? Too bad for you there are no 
pills to heal your condition.  That kinda porn can get you in jail, you know?

lol "pills"; right. Listen, communist: Do NOT forget that it is YOU that got 
medicated because of depression. If you have nothing to say about the matter, 
BE QUIET. Or get back to your pills. I never needed them.

And NO, i am not "trolling", this "security expert" noob got hacked by a friend 
of mine, and was discovered he is gay and communist. Back to YOUR pills, 
depressed noob. They record everyone that takes those pills, do you know that? 
pff

Thanks Marek, Andrew Wong, Chris Laprise, Niels, and Duncan, for your usefull 
and smart comments.

Achim, if you have nothing to say about nvidia in dom-0 and it's telemetry, 
just remain quiet. I do not like gay people anyway.

For Qubes, is a great and secure alternative for computers without nvidia gpu. 
Maybe the BEST. But i concluded that WITH nvidia, kvm passtrough is more secure 
than Xen.
Compared with the nvidia spy telemetry and the need to use proprietary drivers, 
the bigger kvm code poses a smaller treath.

We are FORCED to use USA hardware anyway. When USA forced companies to start 
using CLOSED source in hardware (yes, that was forced), IBM was against and 
they made a deal to boost it for the agreement. They changed the RIGHT and for 
the first time you buy a closed box without the right of being proprietary of 
all inside.

Since that, things went worst, until the LAVABIT incident where i saw and 
checked USA laws and saw that they are doing this with hardware companies too. 
And they must agree by the power of usa law. So, you will not escape usa spy if 
you usa usa hardware. But nvidia went too far.

I will still use a computer with nvidia, but isolate it. Can`t do it in qubes. 
Moving to KVM. Thanks to all.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes top priorities suggestions for me as an user.

[jurisdan]

Btw, i did NOT test to remove the combined gpus (onboard + nvidia) from bios 
and did not try to use exclusively just the nvidia. Maybe if i do that might 
work.
Qubes also gave problem in both UEFI and BIOS to install. I had even to 
disconnect my second monitor to install, or else i saw some writings in a black 
"DOS" screen with a green "taskbar" in working menu and the graphical installer 
was sent into the nvidia problematic monitor.

Nvidia has a new "CAPTURE SCREEN AND STREAM" dedicated function to help people 
to stream their games without a drop in the FPS. I was VERY suspicious when i 
saw that function. Plus, they install nvidia network.

In the end, they started to FORCE people to use GEFORCE EXPERIENCE to deliver 
driver updates. Check in these comments how people reacted:

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/885587/forcing-us-to-use-geforce-experience-/

It is amazing how many enemies nvidia is doing with this "you do what i want i 
dont care if you like" posture. Thats why i do not trust nvidia at all.

Plus, i leave my windows comodo firewall in paranoid config, and nvidia try to 
communicate with several processes to several ips spread around the world all 
the time.

Thats the main reason i would NEVER let nvidia inside a linux host. Specially 
with their proprietary drivers and their "telemetry" terms of use that allows 
them to spy on you, thats important to remember too.

The only "most secure" approach is to run the host inside INTEL (we have to 
trust their intel hardware like it or not, since they can install ring-0 
backdoors with deniability) to ISOLATE nvidia and let it see ONLY one virtual 
machine we choose to use with passtrough, but NEVER use the newer cards in the 
main system.

So, i would like to use a good GPU in my good desktop. But would not like to 
dedicate it to be spyed. And i do not recommend anyone to use nvidia inside 
qubes, not even with nouveau. UNLESS with a passtrough in a SEPARATED monitor.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes top priorities suggestions for me as an user.

[Duncan Guthrie]

On 9 July 2016 09:32:35 BST, juris...@gmail.com wrote:
>Em sábado, 9 de julho de 2016 05:24:04 UTC-3, Duncan Guthrie  escreveu:
>> On 9 July 2016 09:12:28 BST, juris...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> I definitely think we should remove that guide though. Nouveau
>> >supports almost all Nvidia cards, and Qubes includes the signed
>> >firmware required for the newer Nvidia cards. With Nouveau we can
>now
>> >have 3D acceleration in dom0 without the proprietary driver. From
>> >hardware support perspective we don't need to show people how to
>> >install proprietary driver in dom0, if they want to, can't they just
>> >ask on the mailing list? It is also bad for people's software
>freedom
>> >to support the proprietary driver. Thoughts?
>> >> 
>> >> D.
>> >
>> >Duncan, nouveau is kinda bugged, new distros are starting to have
>this
>> >issues in their forums or add an NVIDIA or AMD option in their grub
>> >menu (nomodeset option), for example, check the small distro FATDOG
>64
>> >(puppy linyx) grub menu, for the problematic new cards that doesnt
>work
>> >with those old drivers anymore 
>> 
>> Links, evidence?
>> Newer cards do work, with signed firmware, which Qubes includes. Look
>at the supported cards page on Nouveau.
>> 
>> D.
>
>Sorry, got no links. But i have a nvidia gtx 960. Is not working with
>nouveau combined with my onboard intel in all distros. This last month
>i tested like 8 or 9 distros and i had problems with all. The only
>solutions are the proprietary driver or grub nomodeset. FatDog 64 has
>nvidia and amd options in main grub menu for problematic new gpus.

Oh, I see. This means Nouveau works, it is just that Fedora doesn't set the 
right GRUB options.
What you should do is raise the issue with Fedora as a bug. They will probably 
fix it.

Hope that works,
D.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes top priorities suggestions for me as an user.

[jurisdan]

Em sábado, 9 de julho de 2016 05:24:04 UTC-3, Duncan Guthrie  escreveu:
> On 9 July 2016 09:12:28 BST, juris...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> I definitely think we should remove that guide though. Nouveau
> >supports almost all Nvidia cards, and Qubes includes the signed
> >firmware required for the newer Nvidia cards. With Nouveau we can now
> >have 3D acceleration in dom0 without the proprietary driver. From
> >hardware support perspective we don't need to show people how to
> >install proprietary driver in dom0, if they want to, can't they just
> >ask on the mailing list? It is also bad for people's software freedom
> >to support the proprietary driver. Thoughts?
> >> 
> >> D.
> >
> >Duncan, nouveau is kinda bugged, new distros are starting to have this
> >issues in their forums or add an NVIDIA or AMD option in their grub
> >menu (nomodeset option), for example, check the small distro FATDOG 64
> >(puppy linyx) grub menu, for the problematic new cards that doesnt work
> >with those old drivers anymore 
> 
> Links, evidence?
> Newer cards do work, with signed firmware, which Qubes includes. Look at the 
> supported cards page on Nouveau.
> 
> D.

Sorry, got no links. But i have a nvidia gtx 960. Is not working with nouveau 
combined with my onboard intel in all distros. This last month i tested like 8 
or 9 distros and i had problems with all. The only solutions are the 
proprietary driver or grub nomodeset. FatDog 64 has nvidia and amd options in 
main grub menu for problematic new gpus.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes top priorities suggestions for me as an user.

[Duncan Guthrie]

On 9 July 2016 09:12:28 BST, juris...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I definitely think we should remove that guide though. Nouveau
>supports almost all Nvidia cards, and Qubes includes the signed
>firmware required for the newer Nvidia cards. With Nouveau we can now
>have 3D acceleration in dom0 without the proprietary driver. From
>hardware support perspective we don't need to show people how to
>install proprietary driver in dom0, if they want to, can't they just
>ask on the mailing list? It is also bad for people's software freedom
>to support the proprietary driver. Thoughts?
>> 
>> D.
>
>Duncan, nouveau is kinda bugged, new distros are starting to have this
>issues in their forums or add an NVIDIA or AMD option in their grub
>menu (nomodeset option), for example, check the small distro FATDOG 64
>(puppy linyx) grub menu, for the problematic new cards that doesnt work
>with those old drivers anymore 

Links, evidence?
Newer cards do work, with signed firmware, which Qubes includes. Look at the 
supported cards page on Nouveau.

D.

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