Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 3.2 rc2 has been released!

[Andrew David Wong]

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On 2016-07-29 22:16, '109384'0194328'0193284'09132'84098 wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> if I try to upgrade the VMs like described under...
> 
> Upgrade Fedora templates:
> 
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/upgrade-to-r3.2/
> 
> I run into this error:
> 
> sudo dnf install --enablerepo=qubes*testing --refresh qubes-upgrade-vm
> 
> Error: Failed to synchronize cache for repo 'updates'
> 
> How I can upgrade the VMs to Q32?
> 
> Kind Regards
> 

I frequently get that message when updating via tor (sys-whonix). I just wait
for a new circuit or manually request a new identity via tor-arm in
sys-whonix by pressing 'n', and that usually fixes it.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 3.2 rc2 has been released!

['109384'0194328'0193284'09132'84098]

Hello,

if I try to upgrade the VMs like described under...

Upgrade Fedora templates:

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/upgrade-to-r3.2/

I run into this error:

sudo dnf install --enablerepo=qubes*testing --refresh qubes-upgrade-vm

Error: Failed to synchronize cache for repo 'updates'

How I can upgrade the VMs to Q32?

Kind Regards

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Re: [qubes-users] Snowden plans a wireless hardware security device

[Franz]

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 1:45 AM, Syd Brisby  wrote:

> Edward Snowden and a hardware hacker have developed plans for a hardware
> device to monitor wireless signals on the iphone6. This lets the user know
> whether the phone's radio/s are actually on or off as it can be hard to
> tell otherwise. (He even mentions an anit-evil maid aspect to the design.)
> Wireless hacking / malware ain't no joke, as a female journalist was
> recently killed in Syria by having her phone wirelessly tracked to
> facilitate a strike to silence the media.
>
> What we need now is a version to fit on a laptop / netbook / PC - and
> since the design is open-source, that might be possible.
>
>
> https://www.wired.com/2016/07/snowden-designs-device-warn-iphones-radio-snitches/
>
> http://boingboing.net/2016/07/21/ed-snowden-and-andrew-bunnie.html
>
>
Isn't a laptop wireless hardware switch simpler?


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[qubes-users] Snowden plans a wireless hardware security device

[Syd Brisby]

Edward Snowden and a hardware hacker have developed plans for a hardware device 
to monitor wireless signals on the iphone6. This lets the user know whether the 
phone's radio/s are actually on or off as it can be hard to tell otherwise. (He 
even mentions an anit-evil maid aspect to the design.) Wireless hacking / 
malware ain't no joke, as a female journalist was recently killed in Syria by 
having her phone wirelessly tracked to facilitate a strike to silence the 
media. 

What we need now is a version to fit on a laptop / netbook / PC - and since the 
design is open-source, that might be possible. 

https://www.wired.com/2016/07/snowden-designs-device-warn-iphones-radio-snitches/

http://boingboing.net/2016/07/21/ed-snowden-and-andrew-bunnie.html

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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes Bluetooth (mouse)

[eliwu]

> From searching around the qubes mailing list, it sounds like bluetooth in 
> Qubes is a possibility (though there may be some security implications).


Have not figured out Bluetooth yet, but can now confirm.. 
Logitech's "Unifying" tech (from way back in the day) works like a charm.  It 
is the least amount of effort you will ever do in Qubes, for the most 
happiness.  (That usually means there is some security vulnerability 
somewhere)..  
Plug in the usb unifying thingy and.. it works.  
Being not very technical, this could be a security flaw.  But if your attack 
surface if not within 25 feet, go for it.  Tested and working on a mx master.  
Right click and scroll wheel work, not sure about the other buttons, but don't 
get your hopes up.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: PulseAudio Connection Terminated

[3n7r0py1]

On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 10:51:31 PM UTC, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
> 
> Check kernel messages - maybe this is out of memory condition?
> 

No kernel error messages.
Machine has 16GB RAM - dom0 has 4GB.
No changes in hardware since last successful boot.

Really need some help with this.
Machine is locking up every 5 secs. Plus I need audio.
Thanks!

(For a few minutes I thought the issue might have resolved itself, but when I 
launched PulseAudio Volume Control, it went haywire again. No idea if those 
events are related.)

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Re: [qubes-users] Change HandleLidSwitch value in the installer?

[arthur . summers]

I figured it was an oversight. Nothing major (and kinda picky), but man, it's 
caught me more than once like a little splinter . . .

Thanks!

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Re: [qubes-users] Change HandleLidSwitch value in the installer?

[Andrew David Wong]

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On 2016-07-29 18:44, arthur.summ...@gmail.com wrote:
> Actually, neither of those situations - the way post-install is set up is 
> perfect. This is what I'm referring to Right now, if I fire up the
> installer, click "Begin Installation," and decide to close my laptop lid
> while the installation runs, the system goes to standby. :[ Boo!!! Usually,
> the USB fails to reconnect, and the installer breaks. That make more
> sense?
> 

Oh, I see what you mean now. Yes, that makes sense. The existing behavior is
probably an oversight, since all power saving measures should be disabled
while the OS is being installed.

Tracking:
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2212

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Re: [qubes-users] Change HandleLidSwitch value in the installer?

[arthur . summers]

Actually, neither of those situations - the way post-install is set up is 
perfect. This is what I'm referring to Right now, if I fire up the installer, 
click "Begin Installation," and decide to close my laptop lid while the 
installation runs, the system goes to standby. :[ Boo!!! Usually, the USB fails 
to reconnect, and the installer breaks. That make more sense?

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Re: [qubes-users] Thinkpad LTE Modem Module & Qubes Compatibility

[Andrew David Wong]

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On 2016-07-29 15:36, 2fd3...@ahk.jp wrote:
> Thinkpad's and other laptops have the option of installing a LTE/4G module 
> (EM7345 4G LTE Sierra Wireless). Does this works with Qubes?
> 

I don't know, but I imagine it probably depends on the specific model.

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[qubes-users] Change HandleLidSwitch value in the installer?

[arthur . summers]

So, I'm glad that HandleLidSwitch is set properly after an install to keep 
laptop systems from going to sleep when closed. I always forget about that on 
new installs of different OSs, and then I have to remember how that flavor of 
whatever system lets you disable the setting.

HOWEVER, could that be disabled in the installer? It's happened at least three 
times that I've closed the lid without thinking, the system goes into standby, 
and on resume, the USB hasn't reattached properly, so I have to start over 
again. Not a HUGE deal, but it is certainly a bit frustrating . . .

Much appreciated!

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[qubes-users] Re: What do you think about the idea of a FileVM?

[arthur . summers]

I agree with the idea of having an option for a storage VM, but my agreement 
goes a little deeper (and forks a bit). I know that the primary goal of Qubes 
is security, but there are a lot of different use cases for it. I use it 
because I like the compartmentalization provided by VMs. Security is almost a 
secondary for me - I wanted a bare-metal client hypervisor. Since XenClient no 
longer exists and no other offerings are well maintained, I landed on Qubes. 
For my purposes, sharing storage would be great, but baking it in DOES defeat 
the primary goals of the project.

Personally, I'm a huge fan of Turnkey Linux (http://turnkeylinux.org), and I 
use their stuff regularly to stand up infrastructure components or for testing. 
They have a fileserver VM, and it's pretty beautiful. Actually, all of their 
stuff is pretty beautiful. However, unless I missed something, I don't see an 
easy way to import an OVA/VMDK into Qubes. If that existed, I'd be happier than 
a dog with eight legs (yes, I said that). This would solve a lot of use cases, 
simplify the creation of third party HVMs, and still maintain the goals of the 
project.

Thoughts?

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[qubes-users] 3.2 RC2 - laptop screen lock bug

[arthur . summers]

I'm happy to report that the issue I experienced below is gone, so I was able 
to install RC2. The AMDGPU drivers in the 4.4 kernel make a HUGE difference for 
dual monitors, so I'm excited!
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/qubes-users/uUwBy6RIUHQ/KESMemrcBQAJ

However, I'm having an issue when I close my laptop lid, reopen it, and then 
try to unlock the screen. The screen freezes for a good 60 seconds before 
letting me use the mouse or keyboard. This isn't after a standby, and it 
doesn't occur every time the screen locks - ONLY after I close the laptop lid 
and reopen it. Here is the pertinent dmesg:

[  553.366878] audit: type=1130 audit(1469827523.468:173): pid=1 uid=0 
auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 msg='unit=qubes-suspend comm="systemd" 
exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd" hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=success'
[  553.388154] PM: Syncing filesystems ... done.
[  553.394865] PM: Preparing system for sleep (mem)
[  553.395089] Freezing user space processes ... 
[  573.397815] Freezing of tasks failed after 20.002 seconds (2 tasks refusing 
to freeze, wq_busy=0):
[  573.397876] alsactl D 8800c326fb98 0  1382  1 0x0084
[  573.397886]  8800c326fb98  88012f871d00 
8800c3435700
[  573.397893]  8800c327 8800c326fbd0 880134b8e040 
880134b8e040
[  573.397899]  88012fabc000 8800c326fbb0 81752685 
000100047254
[  573.397906] Call Trace:
[  573.397926]  [] schedule+0x35/0x80
[  573.397935]  [] schedule_timeout+0x129/0x270
[  573.397945]  [] ? 
trace_event_raw_event_tick_stop+0x120/0x120
[  573.397953]  [] ? _raw_spin_unlock_irqrestore+0x1a/0x20
[  573.397970]  [] snd_power_wait+0xb5/0x110 [snd]
[  573.397976]  [] ? wake_up_q+0x70/0x70
[  573.397987]  [] snd_ctl_elem_info_user+0x61/0xf0 [snd]
[  573.397999]  [] snd_ctl_ioctl+0x5ec/0x6c0 [snd]
[  573.398010]  [] ? 
__raw_callee_save___pv_queued_spin_unlock+0x11/0x20
[  573.398019]  [] do_vfs_ioctl+0x298/0x480
[  573.398028]  [] ? __audit_syscall_entry+0xab/0xf0
[  573.398036]  [] ? do_audit_syscall_entry+0x4b/0x70
[  573.398042]  [] ? syscall_trace_enter_phase1+0x13c/0x160
[  573.398047]  [] SyS_ioctl+0x79/0x90
[  573.398053]  [] entry_SYSCALL_64_fastpath+0x12/0x71
[  573.398105] pulseaudio  D 88012060fcd8 0  2732   2731 0x0084
[  573.398112]  88012060fcd8  88012f851d00 
880086d25700
[  573.398118]  88012061 88012060fd10 880134a8e040 
880134a8e040
[  573.398124]  88012fabc000 88012060fcf0 81752685 
00010004043f
[  573.398131] Call Trace:
[  573.398138]  [] schedule+0x35/0x80
[  573.398145]  [] schedule_timeout+0x129/0x270
[  573.398151]  [] ? 
trace_event_raw_event_tick_stop+0x120/0x120
[  573.398158]  [] ? _raw_spin_unlock_irqrestore+0x1a/0x20
[  573.398169]  [] snd_power_wait+0xb5/0x110 [snd]
[  573.398173]  [] ? wake_up_q+0x70/0x70
[  573.398183]  [] snd_ctl_ioctl+0xc5/0x6c0 [snd]
[  573.398189]  [] do_vfs_ioctl+0x298/0x480
[  573.398195]  [] ? __audit_syscall_entry+0xab/0xf0
[  573.398201]  [] ? do_audit_syscall_entry+0x4b/0x70
[  573.398206]  [] ? syscall_trace_enter_phase1+0x13c/0x160
[  573.398212]  [] SyS_ioctl+0x79/0x90
[  573.398217]  [] entry_SYSCALL_64_fastpath+0x12/0x71

[  573.398233] Restarting tasks ... done.
[  573.423849] PM: Syncing filesystems ... done.
[  573.429320] PM: Preparing system for sleep (freeze)
[  573.429475] Freezing user space processes ... 
[  593.432916] Freezing of tasks failed after 20.002 seconds (2 tasks refusing 
to freeze, wq_busy=0):
[  593.433028] alsactl D 8800c326fb98 0  1382  1 0x0084
[  593.433038]  8800c326fb98  88012f871d00 
8800c3435700
[  593.433046]  8800c327 8800c326fbd0 880134b8e040 
880134b8e040
[  593.433052]  88012fabc000 8800c326fbb0 81752685 
000100047254
[  593.433058] Call Trace:
[  593.433076]  [] schedule+0x35/0x80
[  593.433084]  [] schedule_timeout+0x129/0x270
[  593.433094]  [] ? 
trace_event_raw_event_tick_stop+0x120/0x120
[  593.433102]  [] ? _raw_spin_unlock_irqrestore+0x1a/0x20
[  593.433117]  [] snd_power_wait+0xb5/0x110 [snd]
[  593.433123]  [] ? wake_up_q+0x70/0x70
[  593.433134]  [] snd_ctl_elem_info_user+0x61/0xf0 [snd]
[  593.433146]  [] snd_ctl_ioctl+0x5ec/0x6c0 [snd]
[  593.433155]  [] ? 
__raw_callee_save___pv_queued_spin_unlock+0x11/0x20
[  593.433164]  [] do_vfs_ioctl+0x298/0x480
[  593.433172]  [] ? __audit_syscall_entry+0xab/0xf0
[  593.433180]  [] ? do_audit_syscall_entry+0x4b/0x70
[  593.433186]  [] ? syscall_trace_enter_phase1+0x13c/0x160
[  593.433191]  [] SyS_ioctl+0x79/0x90
[  593.433197]  [] entry_SYSCALL_64_fastpath+0x12/0x71
[  593.433253] pulseaudio  D 88012060fcd8 0  2732   2731 0x0084
[  593.433260]  88012060fcd8  88012f851d00 
880086d25700
[  593.433266]  88012061 88012060fd10 880134a8e040 
880134a8e040
[  593.433272]  88012fabc000 

Re: [qubes-users] Re: PulseAudio Connection Terminated

[Marek Marczykowski-Górecki]

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On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 03:33:39PM -0700, 3n7r0...@gmail.com wrote:
> 1. Deleting config files `~/.pulse`, `~/.config/pulse` did not resolve. 
> 
> 2. PulseAudio Manager Client Information says:
> Linked to Library 5.0.0
> Compiled with Library 4.0.0
> Is that a problem?
> 
> 3. pulseaudio -:
> I: [pulseaudio] main.c: Daemon startup complete.
> D: [pulseaudio] module-udev-detect.c: /dev/snd/controlC1 is accessible: yes
> D: [pulseaudio] module-udev-detect.c: Resuming all sinks and sources of card 
> alsa_card.pci-_01_00.1.
> D: [pulseaudio] module-udev-detect.c: /dev/snd/controlC0 is accessible: yes
> D: [pulseaudio] module-udev-detect.c: Resuming all sinks and sources of card 
> alsa_card.pci-_00_1b.0.
> I: [pulseaudio] module-suspend-on-idle.c: Source 
> alsa_input.pci-_00_1b.0.analog-stereo idle for too long, suspending ...
> D: [pulseaudio] source.c: Suspend cause of source 
> alsa_input.pci-_00_1b.0.analog-stereo is 0x0004, suspending
> I: [alsa-source-ALC898 Analog] alsa-source.c: Device suspended...
> D: [pulseaudio] core.c: Hmm, no streams around, trying to vacuum.
> I: [pulseaudio] module-suspend-on-idle.c: Sink 
> alsa_output.pci-_00_1b.0.analog-stereo idle for too long, suspending ...
> D: [pulseaudio] sink.c: Suspend cause of sink 
> alsa_output.pci-_00_1b.0.analog-stereo is 0x0004, suspending
> I: [alsa-sink-ALC898 Analog] alsa-sink.c: Device suspended...
> D: [pulseaudio] core.c: Hmm, no streams around, trying to vacuum.
> I: [pulseaudio] module-suspend-on-idle.c: Sink 
> alsa_output.pci-_01_00.1.hdmi-stereo idle for too long, suspending ...
> D: [pulseaudio] sink.c: Suspend cause of sink 
> alsa_output.pci-_01_00.1.hdmi-stereo is 0x0004, suspending
> Killed

Check kernel messages - maybe this is out of memory condition?


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[qubes-users] Re: Fedora 23 template upgrade conflict

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Thank you a lot that did the trick:)

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[qubes-users] Thinkpad LTE Modem Module & Qubes Compatibility

[2fd3m76]

Thinkpad's and other laptops have the option of installing a LTE/4G module 
(EM7345 4G LTE Sierra Wireless). Does this works with Qubes? 

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[qubes-users] Thinkpad X1 4th Generation

[2fd3m76]

Does anyone have any info regarding compatibility for the high end spec 
Thinkpad X1 4th Generation & Qubes? 

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[qubes-users] Re: PulseAudio Connection Terminated

[3n7r0py1]

1. Deleting config files `~/.pulse`, `~/.config/pulse` did not resolve. 

2. PulseAudio Manager Client Information says:
Linked to Library 5.0.0
Compiled with Library 4.0.0
Is that a problem?

3. pulseaudio -:
I: [pulseaudio] main.c: Daemon startup complete.
D: [pulseaudio] module-udev-detect.c: /dev/snd/controlC1 is accessible: yes
D: [pulseaudio] module-udev-detect.c: Resuming all sinks and sources of card 
alsa_card.pci-_01_00.1.
D: [pulseaudio] module-udev-detect.c: /dev/snd/controlC0 is accessible: yes
D: [pulseaudio] module-udev-detect.c: Resuming all sinks and sources of card 
alsa_card.pci-_00_1b.0.
I: [pulseaudio] module-suspend-on-idle.c: Source 
alsa_input.pci-_00_1b.0.analog-stereo idle for too long, suspending ...
D: [pulseaudio] source.c: Suspend cause of source 
alsa_input.pci-_00_1b.0.analog-stereo is 0x0004, suspending
I: [alsa-source-ALC898 Analog] alsa-source.c: Device suspended...
D: [pulseaudio] core.c: Hmm, no streams around, trying to vacuum.
I: [pulseaudio] module-suspend-on-idle.c: Sink 
alsa_output.pci-_00_1b.0.analog-stereo idle for too long, suspending ...
D: [pulseaudio] sink.c: Suspend cause of sink 
alsa_output.pci-_00_1b.0.analog-stereo is 0x0004, suspending
I: [alsa-sink-ALC898 Analog] alsa-sink.c: Device suspended...
D: [pulseaudio] core.c: Hmm, no streams around, trying to vacuum.
I: [pulseaudio] module-suspend-on-idle.c: Sink 
alsa_output.pci-_01_00.1.hdmi-stereo idle for too long, suspending ...
D: [pulseaudio] sink.c: Suspend cause of sink 
alsa_output.pci-_01_00.1.hdmi-stereo is 0x0004, suspending
Killed

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[qubes-users] How to install /boot partition and GRUB on USB

[xsadjjnn]

Hello.

First of all, thank you to the devs for creating such an awesome OS.

I only have one computer, and I can't run Qubes exclusively. So I need to
dual boot. I know this is not optimal, but I have to, and as such I need
to take all the precautions I can, which means I have to make sure that
neither of the OSes can access the other on disk. To do this I need 100%
disk encryption, so I need to install my boot partition+GRUB on USB
sticks.

I know how to do this on my non-Qubes OS, but I cannot for the life of me
figure out how to do this in the Qubes installer. I've searched and
searched with no luck.

Could someone give me a step-by-step guide to doing this in the Qubes
installer? I find it really, really confusing.

(The only problem I have is using the Qubes installer itself - I
understand how partition tables work and all that).

Thank you :-)

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[qubes-users] Re: What do you think about the idea of a FileVM?

[3n7r0py1]

On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 1:42:07 AM UTC, epic...@gmail.com wrote:
> A fileVM would be a mountable filesystem that 2 or more AppVMs can share.

You don't need a VM, just a Drive (physical, network, or image).

Here's how I moved my data off of my appVM using a disk image:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/qubes-users/c-XQTfa_l-Y/IkY8x3u6BwAJ

This is for dedicated use by one appVM at a time. You'll need to research 
implications of concurrent access by multiple VMs.

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[qubes-users] PulseAudio Connection Terminated

[entr0py]

On a freshly rebooted Qubes 3.1, dom0 pulseaudio process consumes 100% cpu 
every 5 secs. Pulseaudio Manager shows a connection to server for a split 
second before announcing `Failure: Connection terminated`. This cycles 
continuously.

Not sure what triggered this issue. May have been recent updates and/or 
"Attaching audio-input to VM". Have not experienced this in the prior year of 
using Qubes. "Detaching audio-input" does not work.

Tips to troubleshoot? TIA.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: What do you think about the idea of a FileVM?

[Franz]

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 4:31 PM,  wrote:

> On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 2:36:57 AM UTC-6, grzegorz@gmail.com
> wrote:
> > W dniu piątek, 29 lipca 2016 03:42:07 UTC+2 użytkownik epic...@gmail.com
> napisał:
> > > A fileVM would be a mountable filesystem that 2 or more AppVMs can
> share.
> > >
> > > A fileVM could be a normal partition like MSDOS/FAT32, an encrypted
> filesystem, or even a distributed or cloud filesystem.
> > >
> > > There are numerous uses for this, for example, installing Dropbox on a
> Linux AppVM and sharing the dropbox folder with a Windows AppVM that has
> Microsoft Office installed so you can edit docx files. You would create one
> DOS/FAT32 partition that would be attached to both the Linux and Windows
> AppVM. Currently you would have to install dropbox on both the Windows and
> Linux AppVMs doubling storage requirements.
> > >
> > > As long as the two AppVMs share the same risk tolerance there doesn't
> seem to be any reason not to allow this in my mind?
> > >
> > > The current system of having to manually transfer individual files
> from one AppVM to another is a productivity bottleneck and to many makes
> QubesOS undesirable as a primary OS.
> > >
> > > I understand there are many reasons to enforce the manual transfer in
> certain AppVM domains depending upon their nature, and this should be the
> default, but we also need a way to intelligently share large amounts of
> files between AppVMs in the same security domain.
> >
> > If I remember correctly this is already doable by attaching a block
> device to two VMs at once.
>
> Do remember where you saw a procedure for this?
>
>
I would suggest to use a network share, for example with a NAS that you can
use also to keep encrypted Qubes backups. It is extremely easy to mount
every time you need it just using nautilus and it is reliable. Also this
way you can easily afford to have more space than you''ll ever be able to
use. And the NAS can do other services too. For example a surveillance
webcam, backup your websites and much more.
Best
Fran

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[qubes-users] Re: What do you think about the idea of a FileVM?

[epicdonk]

On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 2:36:57 AM UTC-6, grzegorz@gmail.com wrote:
> W dniu piątek, 29 lipca 2016 03:42:07 UTC+2 użytkownik epic...@gmail.com 
> napisał:
> > A fileVM would be a mountable filesystem that 2 or more AppVMs can share.
> > 
> > A fileVM could be a normal partition like MSDOS/FAT32, an encrypted 
> > filesystem, or even a distributed or cloud filesystem.
> > 
> > There are numerous uses for this, for example, installing Dropbox on a 
> > Linux AppVM and sharing the dropbox folder with a Windows AppVM that has 
> > Microsoft Office installed so you can edit docx files. You would create one 
> > DOS/FAT32 partition that would be attached to both the Linux and Windows 
> > AppVM. Currently you would have to install dropbox on both the Windows and 
> > Linux AppVMs doubling storage requirements.
> > 
> > As long as the two AppVMs share the same risk tolerance there doesn't seem 
> > to be any reason not to allow this in my mind?
> > 
> > The current system of having to manually transfer individual files from one 
> > AppVM to another is a productivity bottleneck and to many makes QubesOS 
> > undesirable as a primary OS. 
> > 
> > I understand there are many reasons to enforce the manual transfer in 
> > certain AppVM domains depending upon their nature, and this should be the 
> > default, but we also need a way to intelligently share large amounts of 
> > files between AppVMs in the same security domain.
> 
> If I remember correctly this is already doable by attaching a block device to 
> two VMs at once.

Do remember where you saw a procedure for this?

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Fedora 23 template upgrade conflict

[Chris Laprise]

On 07/29/2016 02:08 PM, 45uiay+8xfsofrot5g94 via qubes-users wrote:

Just did, still no luck. The update still presents the same error.




I had to use 'dnf clean all' before update would work.

Chris

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: [qubes-devel] Window border colors

[Qubed One]

> Jeremy Rand:
>> Marek Marczykowski-Górecki:
>> Try this:
>>
>> Go to system settings -> Application Style -> Window Decorations. It
>> should be set to "Breeze". If it is set to "Plastik", it may be the
>> cause of the problems.
>>
>> If this is the case, I think this may be related to KDE update done by
>> Fedora recently (a lot of kf5-* packages), so unrelated to
>> qubes-gui-dom0 version.
> 
> Yes!  It was set to Plastik.  Changing it to Breeze and clicking Apply
> instantly fixed the issues.  (Well, I can't test whether it fixed the
> icon of the launcher, because I've already done the workaround that I
> described previously.  But everything else is fixed now.)
> 
> Thank you Marek!
> 
> -Jeremy
> 



This also instantly fixed the same problem for me, and I can confirm
that it began at about the same time as the kf5-* updates from Fedora.

Thank you!

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 3.2 rc2 has been released!

[Qubed One]

Iestyn Best:
> Thank you guys, great work.
> 
> Just a little side note, yesterday when I updated it seemed to break my 
> window borders in KDE. I am now using XFCE and all seems fine.
> 
> I have not tried KDE again today, just trying to get use to XFCE now as that 
> is your focus now.
> 


I can't link to the exact message right now (qubes-devel, Marek, thread
named "Window Borders", fifth message in the thread), but these
instructions fix that issue in KDE:

"Try this:

Go to system settings -> Application Style -> Window Decorations. It
should be set to "Breeze". If it is set to "Plastik", it may be the
cause of the problems.

If this is the case, I think this may be related to KDE update done by
Fedora recently (a lot of kf5-* packages), so unrelated to
qubes-gui-dom0 version."

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[qubes-users] Re: Installation failed and destroyed drive

[Philip Torrance]

On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 8:02:11 AM UTC-7, ricky...@gmail.com wrote:
> The SSD is detected by the machine though, it's listed in the boot menu.
> Acer Chromebook C720.
> 
have you tried to restart with Chrome OS?
or is it completely useless now? (or is Chrome OS useless to you).

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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes 3.2 rc2 has been released!

[Andrew David Wong]

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On 2016-07-28 11:57, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 12:49:25PM -0400, Chris Laprise wrote:
>> On 07/28/2016 08:44 AM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
>>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256
>>> 
>>> Details here: https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2016/07/28/ 
>>> qubes-OS-3-2-rc2-has-been-released/
>>> 
>>> As usual, you can download new image from: 
>>> https://www.qubes-os.org/downloads/
>>> 
>>> Users of R3.2 rc1 can just install updates, no need for full reinstall.
>>> For older releases check above page for upgrade instructions.
>>> 
> 
>> Fedora 23 template shows a broken dependency for qubes-db:
> 
>> Error: nothing provides xen-libs >= 2001:4.6.1-20
> 
>> If manually add --allowerasing, it just tries to skip updating qubes-db.
> 
> That package was still in testing repository. Now should be better.
> 

Marek, another user is still reporting the same problem:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/qubes-users/hBGELi7w4aQ/q_skPwGoCwAJ

Any ideas?

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[qubes-users] Re: Fedora 23 template upgrade conflict

[45uiay+8xfsofrot5g94 via qubes-users]

Just did, still no luck. The update still presents the same error.






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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Fedora 23 template upgrade conflict

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On 2016-07-29 10:37, 45uaue+5xrw8epnk2plg via qubes-users wrote:
> The upgrade was triggered by the Qubes VM manager. How can I pass arguments
> to it?
> 

Sorry, disregard that. It looks like this has already been fixed (as of ~22
hours ago):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/qubes-users/X-FM2yQSkuk/cOzFRBZcCwAJ

Please try updating again.

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Re: [qubes-users] What do you think about the idea of a FileVM?

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On 2016-07-28 18:42, epicd...@gmail.com wrote:
> A fileVM would be a mountable filesystem that 2 or more AppVMs can share.
> 
> A fileVM could be a normal partition like MSDOS/FAT32, an encrypted 
> filesystem, or even a distributed or cloud filesystem.
> 
> There are numerous uses for this, for example, installing Dropbox on a
> Linux AppVM and sharing the dropbox folder with a Windows AppVM that has
> Microsoft Office installed so you can edit docx files. You would create one
> DOS/FAT32 partition that would be attached to both the Linux and Windows
> AppVM. Currently you would have to install dropbox on both the Windows and
> Linux AppVMs doubling storage requirements.
> 
> As long as the two AppVMs share the same risk tolerance there doesn't seem
> to be any reason not to allow this in my mind?
> 
> The current system of having to manually transfer individual files from
> one AppVM to another is a productivity bottleneck and to many makes
> QubesOS undesirable as a primary OS.
> 
> I understand there are many reasons to enforce the manual transfer in
> certain AppVM domains depending upon their nature, and this should be the
> default, but we also need a way to intelligently share large amounts of
> files between AppVMs in the same security domain.
> 

If there's such a great need to be constantly transferring files back and
forth between two or more domains, then that suggests that they shouldn't
actually be separate security domains in the first place, doesn't it?

An exception to this would be VMs that are separate VMs not because they are
distinct security domains, but for other reasons. For example, you have a
Windows domain and a Linux domain, and you have to test things using the same
files in both VMs. You regard them as a single security domain, but of course
they must exist as separate VMs.

So, I can see this as being useful for the latter type of purpose. However,
that's a more advanced usage of Qubes aimed not at regular users but perhaps
as developers.

Just a thought.

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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes Security Bulletin #24 (Critical bug)

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On 2016-07-28 17:25, Chris Laprise wrote:
> On 07/27/2016 04:27 PM, Andrew David Wong wrote:
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>> On 2016-07-26 20:01, Chris Laprise wrote:
>>> On 07/26/2016 08:45 PM, el...@tutanota.com wrote:
> What is best way to verify our system supports these things?
 I think you can also check out the processor with Intel.. 
 ark.intel.com You can search through the different processors if you 
 are looking to pick up a new computer.
 
>>> A guide I found at AMD:
>>> http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/ 
>>> GPU120AMDRVICPUsHyperVWin8.aspx
>>> 
>>> From Microsoft: http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/ 
>>> GPU120AMDRVICPUsHyperVWin8.aspx
>>> 
>>> Basically, anything recent that isn't too cost-reduced.
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>> Chris, I think you may have accidentally pasted the same link twice.
>> 
> 
> Sorry, didn't hit Ctrl-shift-V when I should ;)
> 
> Here's the MS link: 
> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/ 
> 1401.hyper-v-list-of-slat-capable-cpus-for-hosts.aspx
> 
> 
> Chris
> 

Thanks! However, it looks like that article hasn't been updated in a while.
Here's Intel's current, complete list of all CPUs that support EPT,so you can
ctrl+F and search for your model:

http://ark.intel.com/search/advanced?s=t=true

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Re: [qubes-users] How to log all the websites accessed by a VM

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On 2016-07-24 16:22, Andrew David Wong wrote:
> But if anyone has a better solution, I'm all ears.
> 

I appreciate all the alternative suggestions. It's always nice to have
multiple options for achieving the same effect, but I'm struggling to see why
I should switch from my current method (which seems to work fine for me) to
one of the other proposed methods (which seem more complicated to me). It's
quite possible I'm missing something. So, which of these many methods is
better (more secure, more reliable, etc.), and why?

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Fedora 23 template upgrade conflict

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On 2016-07-29 09:45, 45uaue+5xrw8epnk2plg via qubes-users wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Does anyone knows how to fix this?
> 
> Thank you.
> 

Did you try with '--allowerasing'?

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[qubes-users] HCL - Hewlett-Packard-500-223w

[Joe Thielen]

I have successfully created and used several CentOS 7 (1511/Minimal) HVMs.
Intel i3 so no IOMMU.  No TPM installed.  Seems to work decent so far.
16GB RAM, I can have 3 CentOS HVMs open simultaneously, the work VM (with 4
terminals and Firefox), the Fedora 23 VM open (while doing an update on the
Fedora 23 VM) and everything was still fairly responsive, very nice.  I've
had this machine loaded for about three months now.

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[qubes-users] Re: Fedora 23 template upgrade conflict

[45uaue+5xrw8epnk2plg via qubes-users]

Hello,

Does anyone knows how to fix this?

Thank you.






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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes 3.2 rc2 has been released!

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The QUBES website incorrectly lists the file size for 3.2-rc2

It still lists:

"4.8 GB (4,816,109,568 bytes)"

It's actually now small enough to fit within a DVD disc now. 3.92 GB

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Re: [qubes-users] Cryptsetup LUKS Nuke Option

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Hello Andrew,

imagine you have many files with CID data (customer identified data) and you 
must protect them after the EU data protection law. 

Now you must clean all data of the customer x.
And this should be secure.

A simple trick might be to use encryption. All files get encrypted with a own 
key. Instead of wiping the files, you can can simple destroy the keys (in a 
very secure way).

This is simple and fast.

But, it will be only valid, if and olny if the encryption will hold and really 
is safe.

Ok, the only way to do this will be the one time pad, which is absolutely 
secure (as long the length is long enough to prevent the guessing).

But for practical reasons, this might be take big disk spaces.

For a compromise you can combine two ciphers, so if one will work and the other 
will get problems today or tomorrow, this "smart wiping" of files, will work. 

And by the way, if qubes os will have it's own real non-deterministic random 
generator, you can use the OTP to secure the passwords itself, which have a 
very limited disk space, so this will be feasible.

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Re: [qubes-users] How to switch VM network on and off?

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Hello Andrew,

good to know it and to keep this in mind to stay secure in different levels, 
which can be adapted to the requirements.

Kind Regards

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Re: [qubes-users] How to switch VM network on and off?

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Hello Frank,

perfect, so I can keep the network setup and can prevent the installed software 
to "call home", without my control.

Kind Regards

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[qubes-users] Re: What do you think about the idea of a FileVM?

[grzegorz . chodzicki]

W dniu piątek, 29 lipca 2016 03:42:07 UTC+2 użytkownik epic...@gmail.com 
napisał:
> A fileVM would be a mountable filesystem that 2 or more AppVMs can share.
> 
> A fileVM could be a normal partition like MSDOS/FAT32, an encrypted 
> filesystem, or even a distributed or cloud filesystem.
> 
> There are numerous uses for this, for example, installing Dropbox on a Linux 
> AppVM and sharing the dropbox folder with a Windows AppVM that has Microsoft 
> Office installed so you can edit docx files. You would create one DOS/FAT32 
> partition that would be attached to both the Linux and Windows AppVM. 
> Currently you would have to install dropbox on both the Windows and Linux 
> AppVMs doubling storage requirements.
> 
> As long as the two AppVMs share the same risk tolerance there doesn't seem to 
> be any reason not to allow this in my mind?
> 
> The current system of having to manually transfer individual files from one 
> AppVM to another is a productivity bottleneck and to many makes QubesOS 
> undesirable as a primary OS. 
> 
> I understand there are many reasons to enforce the manual transfer in certain 
> AppVM domains depending upon their nature, and this should be the default, 
> but we also need a way to intelligently share large amounts of files between 
> AppVMs in the same security domain.

If I remember correctly this is already doable by attaching a block device to 
two VMs at once.

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Re: [qubes-users] A problem with update

[Marek Marczykowski-Górecki]

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On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 10:56:28PM -0400, M. Vefa Bicakci wrote:
> On 07/28/2016 05:24 AM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 10:31:10PM -0700, admix...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> I'm trying to update qubes but there still show that there is no updates 
> >> (for few moths).
> >> I thought that was true until I tried to download update for xen.
> > 
> >> Some commands:
> >> http://pastebin.com/Q7nhfZnX
> >> Linux dom0 4.1.13-9.pvops.qubes.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Feb 11 15:46:02 UTC 2016 
> >> x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
> > 
> >> Can somebody tell me whats going on?
> > 
> > I think --debuglevel option is not supported - this is why you've got
> > that help message instead. Try `qubes-dom0-update --clean` to remove old
> > metadata first.
> 
> Hello Marek and Andrew,
> 
> On a related note, the script at 
> "/usr/lib/qubes/qubes-download-dom0-updates.sh" may have
> a minor bug related to the removal of the cache files when the --clean option 
> is passed
> to the qubes-dom0-update script in dom0.
> 
> When I run "sudo qubes-dom0-update --clean", as seen below my signature, "rm" 
> outputs an
> error mentioning that it cannot remove a directory. Even though "--clean" was 
> used, the
> timestamp for the metadata expiration check indicates that dnf is using 
> metadata from
> almost 12 minutes ago. This indicates an issue with the clean-up of the 
> dnf/yum cache.
> 
> When I "rm -rf" all the offending directory on sys-net using the command 
> listed below,
> then "--clean" works as expected as can be seen below, where the metadata 
> expiration
> check indicates only a 23 second delta, which is a more plausible value when 
> using "--clean".
> 
> All this to say, would it be possible to make the 
> "qubes-download-dom0-updates.sh" script use
> "rm -rf" rather than "rm -f" on the paths related to the dnf/yum cache for 
> dom0 updates?

Yes, this is already fixed in qubes-core-vm 3.2.9:
https://github.com/marmarek/qubes-core-agent-linux/commit/40d5f85b361d6f2ca889f7a9f1230baca826e1bf

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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