[qubes-users] Talk about HOPE about Qubes

[Micah Lee]

Hello, I just discovered the recording of my HOPE talk showing off many
cool things about Qubes. Check it out if you're interested:
https://livestream.com/internetsociety2/hope/videos/178431606

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Updating Fedora 27 errors in Qubes 4.0?

[smcmj]

That seemed to workThx

As you said I did the following commands:

sudo dnf upgrade --allowerasing --best 

then reinstalled the packages that were to be removed by above command:

sudo dnf install qubes-vm-recommended...something, something
sudo dnf install pulse audio...something, something

I still get the pulseaudio error when I try to update via GUI but it appears as 
if the other packages were updated in the fedora 28 template.

After cloning the fedora 28 I still have a fresh template should this be 
resolved in the near future.

Thanks again for a workable solution...

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Re: Fedora updates break appvms and templates (Re: [qubes-users] Deleted Pulseaudio from dom0 and broke every VM)

[Stuart Perkins]

On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 12:42:17 -0500
Stuart Perkins  wrote:

>On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 11:29:01 -0400
>Steve Coleman  wrote:
>
>>On 07/31/18 07:41, cubit wrote:  
>>> 31. Jul 2018 11:16 by cu...@tutanota.com :
>>> 
>>> 17. Jul 2018 13:40 by marma...@invisiblethingslab.com
>>> :
>>> 
>>  
>>> 
>>> to answer my own question, it's still broken on R3.2 if you do "dnf 
>>> update --best --allowerasing"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know the best way to fix this long term?
>>
>>I'm no expert in RPM management, but the core of the issue appears to be 
>>this:
>>
>>A) pulseaudio-qubes-4.0.11-1.fc28.x86_64 requires = pulseaudio-*12.0*
>>B) pulseaudio Version *12.2-1* is available already
>>C) pulseaudio Version 12.0 is *not available anywhere*
>>D) Qubes package pulseaudio-qubes apparently does *not* accept anything 
>>greater than 12.0 for some reason.
>>E) Any attempt to use --allow-erasing will badly break your system by 
>>permanently removing a necessary qubes component(s) (e.g. gui-agent or 
>>pulseaudio)
>>
>>I believe that the pulseaudio-qubes-4.0.11-1 package needs have its 
>>dependencies updated to permit pulseaudio >=  12.0 to satisfy its own 
>>requirements. If republishing pulseaudio-qubes with the same version 
>>number is not possible then a minor version bump would do the trick.
>>
>>The pulseaudio version numbering is already ahead of qubes requirement, 
>>and this "version gap" is only going to get wider until pulseaudio-qubes 
>>own dependency requirement is updated to catch up to the current version 
>>in the public repository, unless they want to publish their own version 
>>of it in the qubes repository (that could get messy).
>>
>>Why the fedora public repository skipped 12.0 altogether I have no clue, 
>>but one of them needs to change. Either the fedora repository needs to 
>>back populate itself with version 12.0, even though 12.2-1 is already 
>>available, or the pulseaudio-qubes package needs to be updated to 
>>include dependencies up to and including 12.2.*
>>
>>
>>btw - After some update testing I lost my sound again yesterday and 
>>recovered it by:
>>
>>$ sudo dnf downgrade pulseaudio-qubes
>># then catch up on regular patches, ignoring broken
>>$ sudo dnf update
>>
>>My dependencies are still broken, but at least I have my sound back.
>>
>>  
>
>Interestingly enough, the last time I tried to upgrade the fedora-28 template 
>{--allowerasing --best) (Qubes 3.2), it uninstalled the pulseaudio-gui etc...  
>I reinstalled it before shutting down the template, and sys-net and 
>sys-firewall came up just fine.  There are definitely some dependency issues 
>here.

Still having this problem trying to upgrade the fedora-28 template on Qubes 3.2.

[user@fedora-28 ~]$ sudo dnf upgrade
Last metadata expiration check: 0:14:59 ago on Thu 02 Aug 2018 10:03:52 AM CDT.
Dependencies resolved.

 Problem 1: cannot install the best update candidate for package 
qubes-gui-vm-3.2.22-1.fc28.x86_64
  - nothing provides pulseaudio = 12.0 needed by 
qubes-gui-vm-3.2.23-1.fc28.x86_64
 Problem 2: package qubes-vm-dependencies-3.2.3-1.fc28.noarch requires 
qubes-gui-vm, but none of the providers can be installed
  - package qubes-gui-vm-3.2.22-1.fc28.x86_64 requires pulseaudio = 11.1, but 
none of the providers can be installed
  - cannot install both pulseaudio-12.2-1.fc28.x86_64 and 
pulseaudio-11.1-18.fc28.x86_64
  - cannot install both pulseaudio-11.1-18.fc28.x86_64 and 
pulseaudio-12.2-1.fc28.x86_64
  - cannot install the best update candidate for package 
qubes-vm-dependencies-3.2.3-1.fc28.noarch
  - cannot install the best update candidate for package 
pulseaudio-11.1-18.fc28.x86_64
  - nothing provides pulseaudio = 12.0 needed by 
qubes-gui-vm-3.2.23-1.fc28.x86_64
 Problem 3: problem with installed package qubes-gui-vm-3.2.22-1.fc28.x86_64
  - package qubes-gui-vm-3.2.22-1.fc28.x86_64 requires pulseaudio = 11.1, but 
none of the providers can be installed
  - package pulseaudio-11.1-18.fc28.x86_64 requires 
libpulsecommon-11.1.so()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
  - cannot install both pulseaudio-libs-12.2-1.fc28.x86_64 and 
pulseaudio-libs-11.1-18.fc28.x86_64
  - cannot install both pulseaudio-libs-11.1-18.fc28.x86_64 and 
pulseaudio-libs-12.2-1.fc28.x86_64
  - cannot install the best update candidate for package 
pulseaudio-libs-11.1-18.fc28.x86_64
  - nothing provides pulseaudio = 12.0 needed by 
qubes-gui-vm-3.2.23-1.fc28.x86_64
 Problem 4: problem with installed package 
qubes-vm-dependencies-3.2.3-1.fc28.noarch
  - package qubes-vm-dependencies-3.2.3-1.fc28.noarch requires qubes-gui-vm, 
but none of the providers can be installed
  - package qubes-gui-vm-3.2.22-1.fc28.x86_64 requires pulseaudio = 11.1, but 
none of the providers can be installed
  - cannot install both pulseaudio-12.2-1.fc28.x86_64 and 
pulseaudio-11.1-18.fc28.x86_64
  - cannot install both pulseaudio-11.1-18.fc28.x86_64 and 

[qubes-users] What exactly is 'private-cow.img' in appvms?

[Stickstoff]

Hello everyone,

there is documentation about 'root-cow.img' online [1], but nothing
about 'private-cow.img'.
Am I right to assume that the 'private.img' is the writable part the VM
sees, with the changes the VM wrote saved on 'private-cow.img', which is
rotated with 'private-img.old.img' after each VM restart for rollback
possibility? This is how I understand 'root-cow.img' at least.

If this is correct, and I backup only 'private.img' of a running VM, I
would miss on all changes the VM did since its current start?
Would 'private.img' be enough when the VM is shut down? It does sound
like 'root.img' need one of the two .old as "binary patches" in any case.

And just to be sure: 'root-cow.img' and 'volatile.img' shouldn't contain
any backup-worthy data of a VM, right?


Thank you,

Stickstoff

[1] https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/template-implementation/

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[qubes-users] Android-x86 on Qubes 4

[Mat Rex]

I was able to install android-x86 7.1.2 on Qubes 4.0. I created an android-x86 CD with a custom kernel and a change to the android init script. I created a standalone HVM, booted linux from a CD to create ext2 filesystem and installed legacy grub. [if you have a hard disk drive, YMMV. I think old grub and SSD do not like each other via all these VM layers, but this is untested - for now I just stick to ext2] Booting the android-x86 CD I could install android. I refused to convert the filesystem to ext3 or to ext4 when the installer gave the option and skipped installing grub from android-x86. Booting linux from CD again I updated the grub configuration (menu.lst) to boot android-x86. After this the android installation can be booted. It has the known tablet-mouse issue. I can configure networking from the terminal - sometimes. Other times it takes me a lot of repeated entering of commands I saw on various forums. I am looking into the best way to automate this, will probably need to create a new cd. [this is an AOS CD, no google play, no proprietary drivers.] However: You cannot attach a microphone or camera to this VM (except if you assign the hardware controller to it), so its use is limited. The VM does not even shut down, it needs a kill. If there is any interest at this early stage, I can provide the CD as is or the pointers/patches/configurations how to create it. I hope to automate networking configuration in some form in a week or two. I am not planing to further deal with the tablet-mouse issue. Using the keyboard more and the "mouse" less, you can get by. That should not be hard to fix on the qubes side, IMHO. It is not clear yet how usb devices can be attached to this VM, but that is something I would like solve, but given that on the windows side it has a separate maintainer, it might take a while.



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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4, copy/paste not working between AppVM's

[max . militant]

torsdag den 2. august 2018 kl. 01.28.12 UTC-4 skrev max.mi...@gmail.com:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a Qubes 4 installation on my laptop, and copy/paste between appVMs is 
> not working.
> 
> I usually(on other Qubes installations) get an infobox on copy/paste to the 
> clipboard in upper right corner whenever I press the sequence (ctrl-c, 
> ctrl-shift-c) and again in the destination vm (ctrl-shift-v, ctrl-v). But 
> there is nothing and nothing gets copied.
> 
> I tried the instructions here: https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/copy-paste/ and 
> removed the # on the 2 lines in /etc/qubes/guid.conf to enforce it's usage:
> 
> secure_copy_sequence = "Ctrl-Shift-c";
> secure_pate_sequence = "Ctrl-Shift-v";
> 
> I also checked the /etc/qubes-rpc/policy/qubes.ClipboardPaste and ensured 
> that it had the follwoing:
> 
> dom0   $anyvm   ask
> $anyvm $anyvm   ask
> 
> Restarting the whole laptop, after changes did not help.
> 
> Am I missing something somewhere, from the switch from 3.2 to 4, or is my 
> install broken?
> 
> Any ideas are greatly appreciated.
> 
> Sincerely
> Max

I do remember installing the laptop and having minor issues back then with 
language during install: (https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3753)

Also I had some issues with purism, but maybe not directly related to this: 
https://forums.puri.sm/t/keyboard-layout-unable-to-recognize-pipe/2022/3

Is there any way to see what I should produce as output when pressing these 3 
keys and compare it to the result on my laptop?

Sincerely
Max

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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes 4, copy/paste not working between AppVM's

[max . militant]

torsdag den 2. august 2018 kl. 06.14.37 UTC-4 skrev awokd:
> On Thu, August 2, 2018 9:12 am, Unman wrote: max wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >>
> >> I have a Qubes 4 installation on my laptop, and copy/paste between
> >> appVMs is not working.
> >>
> >> I usually(on other Qubes installations) get an infobox on copy/paste to
> >> the clipboard in upper right corner whenever I press the sequence
> >> (ctrl-c, ctrl-shift-c) and again in the destination vm (ctrl-shift-v,
> >> ctrl-v). But there is nothing and nothing gets copied.
> >>
> >> I tried the instructions here: https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/copy-paste/
> >> and removed the # on the 2 lines in /etc/qubes/guid.conf to enforce
> >> it's usage:
> >>
> >> secure_copy_sequence = "Ctrl-Shift-c"; secure_pate_sequence =
> >> "Ctrl-Shift-v";
> >>
> >>
> >> I also checked the /etc/qubes-rpc/policy/qubes.ClipboardPaste and
> >> ensured that it had the follwoing:
> >>
> >> dom0   $anyvm   ask $anyvm $anyvm   ask
> >>
> >>
> >> Restarting the whole laptop, after changes did not help.
> >>
> >>
> >> Am I missing something somewhere, from the switch from 3.2 to 4, or is
> >> my install broken?
> >>
> >> Any ideas are greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sincerely
> >> Max
> >>
> >>
> >
> > The process stays the same in 4, and works fine (at least for me). Some
> > questions:
> > Have you updated recently or has this never worked on this laptop?
> > What application are you using?
> > Do you get the notification on Ctrl+Shift+c ?
> > Have you confirmed that ctrl+c is copying?
> > What happens if you copy using the Menu item?
> > If you changed the policy to specifically allow between named qubes does
> > that make a difference?
> >
> > I have seen issues sometimes in xterm, but never when using libreoffice
> > or gnome-terminal and copying using Menu.
> 
> Try running System Tools > Qube Manager. Not sure why but a couple of
> times that's helped me.


Thank you, but that didn´t work.

Sincerely
Max

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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes 4, copy/paste not working between AppVM's

[max . militant]

torsdag den 2. august 2018 kl. 05.12.54 UTC-4 skrev Unman:
> On Wed, Aug 01, 2018 at 10:28:12PM -0700, Max wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have a Qubes 4 installation on my laptop, and copy/paste between appVMs 
> > is not working.
> > 
> > I usually(on other Qubes installations) get an infobox on copy/paste to the 
> > clipboard in upper right corner whenever I press the sequence (ctrl-c, 
> > ctrl-shift-c) and again in the destination vm (ctrl-shift-v, ctrl-v). But 
> > there is nothing and nothing gets copied.
> > 
> > I tried the instructions here: https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/copy-paste/ and 
> > removed the # on the 2 lines in /etc/qubes/guid.conf to enforce it's usage:
> > 
> > secure_copy_sequence = "Ctrl-Shift-c";
> > secure_pate_sequence = "Ctrl-Shift-v";
> > 
> > I also checked the /etc/qubes-rpc/policy/qubes.ClipboardPaste and ensured 
> > that it had the follwoing:
> > 
> > dom0   $anyvm   ask
> > $anyvm $anyvm   ask
> > 
> > Restarting the whole laptop, after changes did not help.
> > 
> > Am I missing something somewhere, from the switch from 3.2 to 4, or is my 
> > install broken?
> > 
> > Any ideas are greatly appreciated.
> > 
> > Sincerely
> > Max
> > 
> 
> The process stays the same in 4, and works fine (at least for me). Some
> questions:
> Have you updated recently or has this never worked on this laptop? 

Never worked on this laptop, afaik

> What application are you using?

It's everywhere. firefox, terminal, libreoffice, etc.

> Do you get the notification on Ctrl+Shift+c ? 

No. nothing

> Have you confirmed that ctrl+c is copying? 

It is. Can´t confirm that ctrl-shift-c is, though.

> What happens if you copy using the Menu item?

What is that?

> If you changed the policy to specifically allow between named qubes does
> that make a difference?

No, it still seems the same. Nothing happens. Maybe a daemon is not running in 
dom0, or something?

> I have seen issues sometimes in xterm, but never when using libreoffice
> or gnome-terminal and copying using Menu.

Thank you for your time. Someone mentioned a reinstall, but that seems a bit 
far to go.

Thank you for your time,
Sincerely
Max

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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes 4, copy/paste not working between AppVM's

['awokd' via qubes-users]

On Thu, August 2, 2018 9:12 am, Unman wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 01, 2018 at 10:28:12PM -0700, max.milit...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> I have a Qubes 4 installation on my laptop, and copy/paste between
>> appVMs is not working.
>>
>> I usually(on other Qubes installations) get an infobox on copy/paste to
>> the clipboard in upper right corner whenever I press the sequence
>> (ctrl-c, ctrl-shift-c) and again in the destination vm (ctrl-shift-v,
>> ctrl-v). But there is nothing and nothing gets copied.
>>
>> I tried the instructions here: https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/copy-paste/
>> and removed the # on the 2 lines in /etc/qubes/guid.conf to enforce
>> it's usage:
>>
>> secure_copy_sequence = "Ctrl-Shift-c"; secure_pate_sequence =
>> "Ctrl-Shift-v";
>>
>>
>> I also checked the /etc/qubes-rpc/policy/qubes.ClipboardPaste and
>> ensured that it had the follwoing:
>>
>> dom0   $anyvm   ask $anyvm $anyvm   ask
>>
>>
>> Restarting the whole laptop, after changes did not help.
>>
>>
>> Am I missing something somewhere, from the switch from 3.2 to 4, or is
>> my install broken?
>>
>> Any ideas are greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely
>> Max
>>
>>
>
> The process stays the same in 4, and works fine (at least for me). Some
> questions:
> Have you updated recently or has this never worked on this laptop?
> What application are you using?
> Do you get the notification on Ctrl+Shift+c ?
> Have you confirmed that ctrl+c is copying?
> What happens if you copy using the Menu item?
> If you changed the policy to specifically allow between named qubes does
> that make a difference?
>
> I have seen issues sometimes in xterm, but never when using libreoffice
> or gnome-terminal and copying using Menu.

Try running System Tools > Qube Manager. Not sure why but a couple of
times that's helped me.


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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes 4, copy/paste not working between AppVM's

[Unman]

On Wed, Aug 01, 2018 at 10:28:12PM -0700, max.milit...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a Qubes 4 installation on my laptop, and copy/paste between appVMs is 
> not working.
> 
> I usually(on other Qubes installations) get an infobox on copy/paste to the 
> clipboard in upper right corner whenever I press the sequence (ctrl-c, 
> ctrl-shift-c) and again in the destination vm (ctrl-shift-v, ctrl-v). But 
> there is nothing and nothing gets copied.
> 
> I tried the instructions here: https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/copy-paste/ and 
> removed the # on the 2 lines in /etc/qubes/guid.conf to enforce it's usage:
> 
> secure_copy_sequence = "Ctrl-Shift-c";
> secure_pate_sequence = "Ctrl-Shift-v";
> 
> I also checked the /etc/qubes-rpc/policy/qubes.ClipboardPaste and ensured 
> that it had the follwoing:
> 
> dom0   $anyvm   ask
> $anyvm $anyvm   ask
> 
> Restarting the whole laptop, after changes did not help.
> 
> Am I missing something somewhere, from the switch from 3.2 to 4, or is my 
> install broken?
> 
> Any ideas are greatly appreciated.
> 
> Sincerely
> Max
> 

The process stays the same in 4, and works fine (at least for me). Some
questions:
Have you updated recently or has this never worked on this laptop? 
What application are you using? 
Do you get the notification on Ctrl+Shift+c ? 
Have you confirmed that ctrl+c is copying? 
What happens if you copy using the Menu item?
If you changed the policy to specifically allow between named qubes does
that make a difference?

I have seen issues sometimes in xterm, but never when using libreoffice
or gnome-terminal and copying using Menu.

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