Re: [qubes-users] Re: Best options for a 4.x compatible Dell workstation
On 2017-09-12 22:57, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > On 09/12/2017 06:50 PM, Gaijin wrote: > >> On 2017-09-12 12:46, filtration wrote: >>> Gaijin: On 2017-09-12 05:32, pixel fairy wrote: > On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 10:31:56 PM UTC-7, pixel fairy wrote: >> given that appvms cant use 3d acceleration anyway, your best bet is >> intel graphics. if your going to give a gpu to a vm, then it depends on >> the os of that vm. >> >> last i checked, nvidia is fine with virtualization of quadro cards. >> >> make sure the workstation doesnt have AMT (vpro etc) as bussiness lines >> tend to. you may be safer with what dell would otherwise sell as a >> consumer desktop or gaming rig, minus the fancy graphics card unless >> your going to use it. but, if thats a big part of your work, you may be >> better off with linux + kvm or something else instead of qubes. > damn nonlinear editing. that last sentence was supposed to go at the > end of the first paragraph. Well, the good news is that enabling vPro on a Dell is an extra option that you can select (costs $19), so I made sure that selection was off. Thanks for the heads up. The newer Xeon chips in the E5 Series no longer include on-board processor graphics, so Intel graphics isn't an option if I go this route. They can handle a lot more RAM (1.2TB vs. 64GB) and have more cores (10 vs. 4). There's generally a lot more I could do simultaneously with this chip it seems looking at the specs. Researching through these forums and even the Qubes Docs there seems to be a "stay away from nVidia" theme; That's why I was focusing on the AMD graphics card option. Is nVidia Quadro a viable option? Using the Dell configurator, and plugging in RedHat Linux 7.2 as the OS I find that the very newest AMD FirePro graphics card I selected isn't compatible. (I'm assuming RHEL 7.2 is a roughly equivalent to the Fedora 23 in dom0) So I dropped down to the older W5100 card and that seemed to work for them. The graphics aren't really a big part of my work. I just want a box that will be ready to run Qubes v4. >>> Gaijin: Intel GPU is recommended, AMD are second best. >>> >>> IIRC, Dom0 will be based on Fedora 25 in Qubes 4.0. Try checking AMD's >>> site (https://support.amd.com/en-us/download) for compatibility reports, >>> too. >> Looking at the latest AMD FirePro drivers, they have versions that >> support RHEL and CentOS, so in turn can I assume one of those might >> support Fedora as well? > Yes. >> They also seem to have a generic Linux driver >> for older OS versions. >> >> I do see a few AMD FirePro cards in the HCL that seem to be working, but >> not the specific one I'm looking at, so that's somewhat encouraging... >> > Adding your own driver to dom0 wouldn't be difficult if by chance you > need to, I mod my kernels all the time. Cheers for the advice! The hope is that generic video drivers in dom0 will suffice, but good to know that I could add a driver there, and that one would be available. I'm feeling a lot better about this AMD card now. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/53f2408f7d0f65c44e0ec6389efc1da7%40riseup.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Best options for a 4.x compatible Dell workstation
On 09/12/2017 06:50 PM, Gaijin wrote: On 2017-09-12 12:46, filtration wrote: Gaijin: On 2017-09-12 05:32, pixel fairy wrote: On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 10:31:56 PM UTC-7, pixel fairy wrote: given that appvms cant use 3d acceleration anyway, your best bet is intel graphics. if your going to give a gpu to a vm, then it depends on the os of that vm. last i checked, nvidia is fine with virtualization of quadro cards. make sure the workstation doesnt have AMT (vpro etc) as bussiness lines tend to. you may be safer with what dell would otherwise sell as a consumer desktop or gaming rig, minus the fancy graphics card unless your going to use it. but, if thats a big part of your work, you may be better off with linux + kvm or something else instead of qubes. damn nonlinear editing. that last sentence was supposed to go at the end of the first paragraph. Well, the good news is that enabling vPro on a Dell is an extra option that you can select (costs $19), so I made sure that selection was off. Thanks for the heads up. The newer Xeon chips in the E5 Series no longer include on-board processor graphics, so Intel graphics isn't an option if I go this route. They can handle a lot more RAM (1.2TB vs. 64GB) and have more cores (10 vs. 4). There's generally a lot more I could do simultaneously with this chip it seems looking at the specs. Researching through these forums and even the Qubes Docs there seems to be a "stay away from nVidia" theme; That's why I was focusing on the AMD graphics card option. Is nVidia Quadro a viable option? Using the Dell configurator, and plugging in RedHat Linux 7.2 as the OS I find that the very newest AMD FirePro graphics card I selected isn't compatible. (I'm assuming RHEL 7.2 is a roughly equivalent to the Fedora 23 in dom0) So I dropped down to the older W5100 card and that seemed to work for them. The graphics aren't really a big part of my work. I just want a box that will be ready to run Qubes v4. Gaijin: Intel GPU is recommended, AMD are second best. IIRC, Dom0 will be based on Fedora 25 in Qubes 4.0. Try checking AMD's site (https://support.amd.com/en-us/download) for compatibility reports, too. Looking at the latest AMD FirePro drivers, they have versions that support RHEL and CentOS, so in turn can I assume one of those might support Fedora as well? Yes. They also seem to have a generic Linux driver for older OS versions. I do see a few AMD FirePro cards in the HCL that seem to be working, but not the specific one I'm looking at, so that's somewhat encouraging... Adding your own driver to dom0 wouldn't be difficult if by chance you need to, I mod my kernels all the time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/fd9ae321-1914-5b04-b7c1-233ae437ced2%40gmx.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Best options for a 4.x compatible Dell workstation
On 2017-09-12 12:46, filtration wrote: > Gaijin: >> On 2017-09-12 05:32, pixel fairy wrote: >>> On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 10:31:56 PM UTC-7, pixel fairy wrote: given that appvms cant use 3d acceleration anyway, your best bet is intel graphics. if your going to give a gpu to a vm, then it depends on the os of that vm. last i checked, nvidia is fine with virtualization of quadro cards. make sure the workstation doesnt have AMT (vpro etc) as bussiness lines tend to. you may be safer with what dell would otherwise sell as a consumer desktop or gaming rig, minus the fancy graphics card unless your going to use it. but, if thats a big part of your work, you may be better off with linux + kvm or something else instead of qubes. >>> >>> damn nonlinear editing. that last sentence was supposed to go at the >>> end of the first paragraph. >> >> Well, the good news is that enabling vPro on a Dell is an extra option >> that you can select (costs $19), so I made sure that selection was off. >> Thanks for the heads up. >> >> The newer Xeon chips in the E5 Series no longer include on-board >> processor graphics, so Intel graphics isn't an option if I go this >> route. They can handle a lot more RAM (1.2TB vs. 64GB) and have more >> cores (10 vs. 4). There's generally a lot more I could do simultaneously >> with this chip it seems looking at the specs. >> >> Researching through these forums and even the Qubes Docs there seems to >> be a "stay away from nVidia" theme; That's why I was focusing on the AMD >> graphics card option. Is nVidia Quadro a viable option? >> >> Using the Dell configurator, and plugging in RedHat Linux 7.2 as the OS >> I find that the very newest AMD FirePro graphics card I selected isn't >> compatible. (I'm assuming RHEL 7.2 is a roughly equivalent to the Fedora >> 23 in dom0) So I dropped down to the older W5100 card and that seemed to >> work for them. >> >> The graphics aren't really a big part of my work. I just want a box that >> will be ready to run Qubes v4. >> > > Gaijin: Intel GPU is recommended, AMD are second best. > > IIRC, Dom0 will be based on Fedora 25 in Qubes 4.0. Try checking AMD's > site (https://support.amd.com/en-us/download) for compatibility reports, > too. Looking at the latest AMD FirePro drivers, they have versions that support RHEL and CentOS, so in turn can I assume one of those might support Fedora as well? They also seem to have a generic Linux driver for older OS versions. I do see a few AMD FirePro cards in the HCL that seem to be working, but not the specific one I'm looking at, so that's somewhat encouraging... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/cacab804e80cbae717b779f5dc99681f%40riseup.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Best options for a 4.x compatible Dell workstation
taii...@gmx.com: > On 09/12/2017 08:46 AM, filtration wrote: > >> Gaijin: Intel GPU is recommended, AMD are second best. > Why do you state that? Intel is the best supported. This is documented all over Qubes' docs. AMD does a pretty good job offering drivers. Nvidia has a bad reputation among Linux users. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/e4a57a39-59ac-5e6f-32fd-bd15c5dfdc04%40posteo.de. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Best options for a 4.x compatible Dell workstation
On 09/12/2017 08:46 AM, filtration wrote: Gaijin: Intel GPU is recommended, AMD are second best. Why do you state that? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/7a4926fb-2aed-a499-82bd-b9cd455440b6%40gmx.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Re: Best options for a 4.x compatible Dell workstation
Gaijin: > On 2017-09-12 05:32, pixel fairy wrote: >> On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 10:31:56 PM UTC-7, pixel fairy wrote: >>> given that appvms cant use 3d acceleration anyway, your best bet is intel >>> graphics. if your going to give a gpu to a vm, then it depends on the os of >>> that vm. >>> >>> last i checked, nvidia is fine with virtualization of quadro cards. >>> >>> make sure the workstation doesnt have AMT (vpro etc) as bussiness lines >>> tend to. you may be safer with what dell would otherwise sell as a consumer >>> desktop or gaming rig, minus the fancy graphics card unless your going to >>> use it. but, if thats a big part of your work, you may be better off with >>> linux + kvm or something else instead of qubes. >> >> damn nonlinear editing. that last sentence was supposed to go at the >> end of the first paragraph. > > Well, the good news is that enabling vPro on a Dell is an extra option > that you can select (costs $19), so I made sure that selection was off. > Thanks for the heads up. > > The newer Xeon chips in the E5 Series no longer include on-board > processor graphics, so Intel graphics isn't an option if I go this > route. They can handle a lot more RAM (1.2TB vs. 64GB) and have more > cores (10 vs. 4). There's generally a lot more I could do simultaneously > with this chip it seems looking at the specs. > > Researching through these forums and even the Qubes Docs there seems to > be a "stay away from nVidia" theme; That's why I was focusing on the AMD > graphics card option. Is nVidia Quadro a viable option? > > Using the Dell configurator, and plugging in RedHat Linux 7.2 as the OS > I find that the very newest AMD FirePro graphics card I selected isn't > compatible. (I'm assuming RHEL 7.2 is a roughly equivalent to the Fedora > 23 in dom0) So I dropped down to the older W5100 card and that seemed to > work for them. > > The graphics aren't really a big part of my work. I just want a box that > will be ready to run Qubes v4. > Gaijin: Intel GPU is recommended, AMD are second best. IIRC, Dom0 will be based on Fedora 25 in Qubes 4.0. Try checking AMD's site (https://support.amd.com/en-us/download) for compatibility reports, too. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/op8l2q%24nh%242%40blaine.gmane.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Re: Best options for a 4.x compatible Dell workstation
Gaijin: > On 2017-09-12 05:32, pixel fairy wrote: >> On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 10:31:56 PM UTC-7, pixel fairy wrote: >>> given that appvms cant use 3d acceleration anyway, your best bet is intel >>> graphics. if your going to give a gpu to a vm, then it depends on the os of >>> that vm. >>> >>> last i checked, nvidia is fine with virtualization of quadro cards. >>> >>> make sure the workstation doesnt have AMT (vpro etc) as bussiness lines >>> tend to. you may be safer with what dell would otherwise sell as a consumer >>> desktop or gaming rig, minus the fancy graphics card unless your going to >>> use it. but, if thats a big part of your work, you may be better off with >>> linux + kvm or something else instead of qubes. >> >> damn nonlinear editing. that last sentence was supposed to go at the >> end of the first paragraph. > > Well, the good news is that enabling vPro on a Dell is an extra option > that you can select (costs $19), so I made sure that selection was off. > Thanks for the heads up. > > The newer Xeon chips in the E5 Series no longer include on-board > processor graphics, so Intel graphics isn't an option if I go this > route. They can handle a lot more RAM (1.2TB vs. 64GB) and have more > cores (10 vs. 4). There's generally a lot more I could do simultaneously > with this chip it seems looking at the specs. > > Researching through these forums and even the Qubes Docs there seems to > be a "stay away from nVidia" theme; That's why I was focusing on the AMD > graphics card option. Is nVidia Quadro a viable option? > > Using the Dell configurator, and plugging in RedHat Linux 7.2 as the OS > I find that the very newest AMD FirePro graphics card I selected isn't > compatible. (I'm assuming RHEL 7.2 is a roughly equivalent to the Fedora > 23 in dom0) So I dropped down to the older W5100 card and that seemed to > work for them. > > The graphics aren't really a big part of my work. I just want a box that > will be ready to run Qubes v4. > Gaijin: Intel GPU is recommended, AMD are second best. IIRC, Dom0 will be based on Fedora 25 in Qubes 4.0. Try checking AMD's site (https://support.amd.com/en-us/download) for compatibility reports, too. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/550fc8e6-c049-132e-758e-4e403d3d697b%40posteo.de. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
