[RBW] Re: Brooks Swift or B17 Narrow, ti or steel rails?
I have an early 80's Mercian in a very similar (if not identical) Blue with pale Gray Head tube, black letters and pinstriping. I decided to go with a Black Brooks. Maybe I'm too predictable. I love (spelled envious) your Vincitore. I'm trying to decide whether to buy a King of Mercia, Bombadil, or Waterford Adventure Cycle for my touring rig. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of fenderbender Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:37 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Brooks Swift or B17 Narrow, ti or steel rails? Thanks for those replies! Very grateful because I have to order on the net. One reason for me asking is that besides my four Swift (bought next to new from friends that gave in to quick!) I have two Ideal steel railed heavyweights. This are on my commuters and there is a big differens in feel. The Ideal transmit much more road buzz than the ti-railed Swift. But I would imagine that Brooks use a bit narrower and more flexible steel rails than the old Ideal's and the leather are getting old and hard. Just remembered I have some old titanium seatpost that could ad some dampening but I would have to get the right shims. Ok, definitely going for steel rails this time. Thanks! So whats your verdict on Brooks colours then? Got me some raw hides and brown leather paint, but can't decide what seat to get. The frame I'm dressing up is a Mercian Vincitore Special (yeah, wrong forum :) with a Ice Blue Pearl paint job and white windows: http://i35.tinypic.com/2cwu78g.jpg Either a young-nordic-blond-honey or a stuffy-british-antique-brown seat-bars-mudflap-theme? ;) http://www.brookssaddles.com/en/Shop_ProductPage.aspx?cat=saddles+-+road+%26 +mtbprod=Swift+Chrome On 1 Juli, 16:10, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: We had a big discussion on this over in the Peter White Forum a couples week back - in the Berthoud Saddle Introductory Thread. Peter, I and some others argued that whatever minor difference in shock absorption may exist between steel, Ti and Carbon would be completely overwhelmed by the differences in one piece of leather to the next. Leather is an organic compound. There is no way leather on every saddle is not going to be at least slightly different from the other. 99.9% of the feel of the saddle will be in the leather. If you do not mind paying extra, and the minor weight saving is important to you, go with the Ti. For my money, I would go with the steel and spend some of the savings on leather conditioners and maybe a real nice saddle cover. On Jul 1, 4:24 am, fenderbender pedal_kr...@yahoo.se wrote: Hi! I'm very pleased with the Swift ti's I've fitted to my current fleet of bikes. But due to the resent price hike I must question my reasons for buying the titanium rail versions. As I now have two more builds near compleation that need some seating but my funds are limited. One is a resurrectio and the other a lovely vanity bike. Anyone tried both the Swift and B17 Narrow and could tell me the difference in feal? Is the dampening of the steel rails that much different too that of the ti-version, and does it excuse the added cost? Thanks and Keep 'em rolling!- Dölj citerad text - - Visa citerad text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
I ride a Rambouillet and a Traveler's Check. They're both good bikes and they are approximately the same size. I ride a 56cm frame and when I bought the Surly I ordered the closesst frame to that size: BB to top of seat tube. This is a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway. How does one size a bike by the length of the top tube? Don't you always have to measure the seat tube or the stand-over height? Seeking enlightenment. GeorgeS On Jul 2, 11:54 pm, Dan Abelson abelson@gmail.com wrote: I have a 54cm Quickbeam and ride a 52cm Crosscheck. The top tube feels a bit shorter on the Crosscheck but both fit. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. Thanks, Gino- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Fender installation help
I use the same fenders on my Rambouillet. I obtained a longer bolt from Peter White. GeorgeS On Jul 2, 3:31 pm, hihi jonat...@jonfipro.com wrote: Hi all, I'm installing Berthoud stainless fenders on my Atlantis with 26 x 1.5 inch wheels. It looks like the supplied Daruma bolt (http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-177/Berthoud-Daruma-Bolt/Detail) for attaching the front fender is going to be a bit short. I'd rather not use an L-bracket so I'm trying to come up with novel solutions. Does anyone have any ideas that have worked for them? I did find this: http://www.mcmaster.com/#3796k11/=2kngsn Any opinions from more experience mechanics / fender installers about whether this will work? I'd love an opinion! Looks like an M6 bolt will pass through the hole. Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Since I Just Alluded to It On My Sig Line...
Not even a close question. Get a reference for a good personal injury lawyer and talk to him/her. Just think about how much money you would charge to suffer this kind of injury voluntarily. PS, temporary disability, out-of-pocket loss, hedonic damage - it will be significant. Georges On Jul 1, 10:00 pm, Ethan Bickford ethan.bickf...@gmail.com wrote: Ouchy. I hope you make a speedy and complete recovery! I got doored a few years ago. Took the corner of the car door right in the crook of my arm (not quite the arm pit but close.) Nearly severed my right bicep. I was pretty lucky though, no permanent damage other than a pretty wicked looking scar. Also it's an ugly thing to deal with but I would look into a lawyer. Lost work time, quality of life, etc... etc... adds up. I don't like our litigious society but this is definitely a case of negligence that caused some pretty intense bodily harm. Take care of yourself. It's easy to blow off some of these issues but it's really important to get everything taken care of and documented. Even if you don't file any kind of lawsuit you want to be able to file with the driver's insurance company so you're compensated. Good luck and get well soon! Ethan On Jul 1, 3:41 pm, Darren Stone dst...@bitmason.com wrote: Brutal. I know almost exactly what you're going through. I took a door edge to the back of the right hand about 17 years ago on a fast training ride. It was a drunk who flung his door open into my lane. He had more problems walking away unassisted than I did at the scene. I got away with hairline fractures in the metacarpals and a lot of swelling. Make sure you get opinions and seek therapy that you believe in... hands are important! Good wishes. -Darren. On Jul 1, 10:50 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: Got doored on my way home from work Monday evening. Caught it on the right paw, which put me on the ground pretty darned quickly. http://ramblings.cyclofiend.com/?p=368 I'll probably write something longer when typing isn't such a PITA. If you click through the image, there are some photos of picking up the Quickbeam from the police the next day. I had my wife take some photos of the sewing job. Haven't posted that and I'll probably spare all's y'all from that image. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines 'You both ride your bike?' He held his hands out and grabbed imaginary handlebars, grinning indulgently, eyeing Tom's helmet. Double disbeleif: not one, but two grown Americans riding bicycles. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
Buy one size down on the Cross-Check. The standover clearance in any given size is less generous than it would be on a Riv of the same size (higher BB, different measuring scheme, etc) However, I would encourage you to add couplers to a Riv. The Traveler's Check is a nice deal, but it's easier to pack a bike that has a threaded steerer. The threadless steerer is necessarily longer, and sometimes causes problems in packing. Not that it can't be done, but it's easier with the threaded style. On Jun 30, 2:11 pm, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. Thanks, Gino --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Glorious setup...
I think handlebar fit/style is the thing I spend the most time money on with bikes! I'd recommend the Technomic (non-deluxe) in a 10cm and give that a try, along w/ a post that has more of an offset clamp. FWIW, here is what the Technomic's look like w/ A-bars http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/2058061573/ On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Steven M. Schermerhorn s_schermerh...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Dave, Thanks for your feedback! My 12 cm stem is a Riv Lugged stem. Super pretty, but maybe a little too long. I have albatross bars. The main issue I'm trying to address is the feeling that, when riding in a full upright position, the pedals are too far aft. In the upright position (which the albatross bars really encourage), I get the feeling that I'd like to have the bottom bracket about 5 inches forward and higher (semi-recumbent style) When I ride this bike in more of a semi-crouched position (which the albatross bars ALSO nicely allow for) the pedal position feels perfect. My sense is that I would need to BOTH shorten the stem AND move the saddle back more to achieve a completely comfy pedal position in the upright riding position. -Steve On Jul 2, 2:27 am, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Steve, when I had upright bars, I found a really tall/short Nitto Technomic (non-dlx) worked really well. You didn't say what kind of stem you have, but maybe try that first??? DE On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Steve Schermerhorn s_schermerh...@yahoo.com wrote: I've been riding my 58 riv mixte for the past 2 years, trying various setups, trying to get it nicely dialed in. To me, the main focus of the mixte is a comfortable ride. If I want to go faster (or carry lots of stuff), I have other bikes. When I'm riding the mixte in a fully upright position, the pedals feel too far back; I keep feeling like I want the pedals more forward (e.g. semi-recumbent). When riding in a more forward position, the pedals are in the right position, but then the comfort on the bars is minimized somewhat. Stem is a 12 Albatross bars Crystal Fellow seat post and a Velo Orange Mod 8 saddle, shoved all the way back. (I started with a Brooks B33, and the back of my legs did NOT like this saddle at all. The VO8, while the springs are a little noisy, is very comfortably shaped.) I have been thinking about swapping the 12 stem for a much shorter (8?) stem, and swapping the Crystal Fellow with a post that will place the saddle at least 4cm further back. Will I likely gain comfort in the upright position? Will I lose the advantages I'm enjoying in my forward position? Any comments/experience on this is welcome. Thanks, Steve -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] FS: Nitto, Baggins, Titanico
RBW stuff (...mostly); prices do not include shipping (figure about $10 ea. but would like to combine, figure about actual USPS shipping! Paypal is best (my yahoo email address); can accommodate checks -- CONUS only, please. *Please* reply off list (!) to chalaszatgmaildotcom Baggins Hobo Bag $95 Bruce Gordon Rear Rack (a little rub on some of the powdercoat) $125 (shipping may be a bit more?) Selle Anatomica Titanico Dark Brown Clydesdale (stitched!) $75 (see http://www.flickr.com/photos/sea-fisherman/3455207805/in/set-72157606678980740/) Nitto/Specialized 27.2 x 330mm seatpost, pretty scratched for 1st 20cm, ok for 13-15cm from rails: $40 Nitto Dynamic II stem 9cm x 26.0 $25 Nitto F-15 Boxy Rack like new: $40 Nitto 44cm Noodles (a few scratches): $35 Nitto Technomic 5cm x 26.0 $30 Nitto/Ritchey 140mm x 1 x 25.4 TIG'd silver stem $15 Paul Thumbies w/ Shimano bar-con levers (8-9sp??): $75 Shimano Tiagra Levers: $30 Zefal Lock 'n Roll set (skewers + seatpost) $30 Zefal HPX3 or HPX4 pump: $20 Large Wald Basket $10 Photos on request; likewise more details. Chris Tucson, AZ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
This is a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway. How does one size a bike by the length of the top tube? While I suppose there is some value to stand over height, TT length by far is more important. For the most part when using a bike, the rider is not standing but rather reaching forward to the handle bars. If the reach is too far or too close, it will not be comfortable riding the bike. Some bodies will be different of course, but for the most part if TT length is right, the rider is not going to have any trouble mounting and dismounting (which seems to me the only time standover really matters) On Jul 3, 9:53 am, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I ride a Rambouillet and a Traveler's Check. They're both good bikes and they are approximately the same size. I ride a 56cm frame and when I bought the Surly I ordered the closesst frame to that size: BB to top of seat tube. This is a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway. How does one size a bike by the length of the top tube? Don't you always have to measure the seat tube or the stand-over height? Seeking enlightenment. GeorgeS On Jul 2, 11:54 pm, Dan Abelson abelson@gmail.com wrote: I have a 54cm Quickbeam and ride a 52cm Crosscheck. The top tube feels a bit shorter on the Crosscheck but both fit. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. Thanks, Gino- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
It's not quite that simple. Since head tube and seat tube angles vary, it's possible to have, say, a longer TT on a certain bike, yet have a shorter/easier reach to the handlebars, or vice versa. On a custom bike I received awhile back, I asked that the TT be a tiny bit shorter than that on my Atlantis. When I got the frame, I measured and was horrified to see that it was actually about 1.5 cm longer! Turns out that even with a slightly longer stem, I feel less stretched out on the bike with the longer TT. Why is this? Well, I haven't bothered to do the trigonometry or even take detailed measurements. The bike works great, and I am happy. TT length is best taken as a ballpark frame sizing measurement, and I think many folks put too much emphasis on this single measurement. Like saddle height, it's essentially an adjustable measurement - you get a frame size that's close, and get a stem that gives a comfortable position. In this case, Surly frames come in 2 cm increments, and for those of us who have some idea of what works already, it's pretty easy to determine between which two frame sizes we fall. But Cross-Checks are taller than Rivendells, in any given size. So if someone had, say, a 58 cm Rambouillet with tight-ish standover, then a 58 cm Cross-Check may be downright uncomfortable in the standover area. Put 42 mm tires on it, and it's going to be even bigger. On Jul 3, 4:19 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: This is a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway. How does one size a bike by the length of the top tube? While I suppose there is some value to stand over height, TT length by far is more important. For the most part when using a bike, the rider is not standing but rather reaching forward to the handle bars. If the reach is too far or too close, it will not be comfortable riding the bike. Some bodies will be different of course, but for the most part if TT length is right, the rider is not going to have any trouble mounting and dismounting (which seems to me the only time standover really matters) On Jul 3, 9:53 am, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I ride a Rambouillet and a Traveler's Check. They're both good bikes and they are approximately the same size. I ride a 56cm frame and when I bought the Surly I ordered the closesst frame to that size: BB to top of seat tube. This is a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway. How does one size a bike by the length of the top tube? Don't you always have to measure the seat tube or the stand-over height? Seeking enlightenment. GeorgeS On Jul 2, 11:54 pm, Dan Abelson abelson@gmail.com wrote: I have a 54cm Quickbeam and ride a 52cm Crosscheck. The top tube feels a bit shorter on the Crosscheck but both fit. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. Thanks, Gino- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
For those who may have missed it, there was an article in the last Rivendell Reader on the subject of top tube length with some useful explanatory illustrations. On Jul 3, 7:25 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: It's not quite that simple. Since head tube and seat tube angles vary, it's possible to have, say, a longer TT on a certain bike, yet have a shorter/easier reach to the handlebars, or vice versa. On a custom bike I received awhile back, I asked that the TT be a tiny bit shorter than that on my Atlantis. When I got the frame, I measured and was horrified to see that it was actually about 1.5 cm longer! Turns out that even with a slightly longer stem, I feel less stretched out on the bike with the longer TT. Why is this? Well, I haven't bothered to do the trigonometry or even take detailed measurements. The bike works great, and I am happy. TT length is best taken as a ballpark frame sizing measurement, and I think many folks put too much emphasis on this single measurement. Like saddle height, it's essentially an adjustable measurement - you get a frame size that's close, and get a stem that gives a comfortable position. In this case, Surly frames come in 2 cm increments, and for those of us who have some idea of what works already, it's pretty easy to determine between which two frame sizes we fall. But Cross-Checks are taller than Rivendells, in any given size. So if someone had, say, a 58 cm Rambouillet with tight-ish standover, then a 58 cm Cross-Check may be downright uncomfortable in the standover area. Put 42 mm tires on it, and it's going to be even bigger. On Jul 3, 4:19 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: This is a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway. How does one size a bike by the length of the top tube? While I suppose there is some value to stand over height, TT length by far is more important. For the most part when using a bike, the rider is not standing but rather reaching forward to the handle bars. If the reach is too far or too close, it will not be comfortable riding the bike. Some bodies will be different of course, but for the most part if TT length is right, the rider is not going to have any trouble mounting and dismounting (which seems to me the only time standover really matters) On Jul 3, 9:53 am, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I ride a Rambouillet and a Traveler's Check. They're both good bikes and they are approximately the same size. I ride a 56cm frame and when I bought the Surly I ordered the closesst frame to that size: BB to top of seat tube. This is a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway. How does one size a bike by the length of the top tube? Don't you always have to measure the seat tube or the stand-over height? Seeking enlightenment. GeorgeS On Jul 2, 11:54 pm, Dan Abelson abelson@gmail.com wrote: I have a 54cm Quickbeam and ride a 52cm Crosscheck. The top tube feels a bit shorter on the Crosscheck but both fit. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. Thanks, Gino- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: SF Peninsula s24 overnight? was Re: [RBW] S24O: Crystal Cove, 6/27
hello:) i would definitely be up for this in late july (after 7/22) (as would my romulus-owning friend who kindly pointed me towards this post). i'd prefer a start somewhat near public transportation as i am carless and live in berkeley. i've done several bike touring trips with my homer and it is such fun. :) brooke appler On Jun 17, 12:48 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just finishing up the semester and haven't scheduled anything yet. I'm thinking late July. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:50 AM, erik jensenbicyclen...@gmail.com wrote: Has this gone off yet? I saved it in my inbox, but my partner and I will be moving to the bay area on July 1st and would love to join up with some local riders for an s24o. She rides a saluki, I've an atlantis. Thanks, erik jensen On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: OK, roll call time. Anyone from the Peninsula area (let's say, San Jose to Redwood City, more or less) who is interested in a sub-24 overnight, email me. Let me know what your schedule is, and what destinations appeal to you. Let's think about a trip in late June or late July. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: SF Peninsula s24 overnight? was Re: [RBW] S24O: Crystal Cove, 6/27
Would Caltrain be good enough, as far as public transportation goes? On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 5:16 PM, brookeabrookeapp...@gmail.com wrote: hello:) i would definitely be up for this in late july (after 7/22) (as would my romulus-owning friend who kindly pointed me towards this post). i'd prefer a start somewhat near public transportation as i am carless and live in berkeley. i've done several bike touring trips with my homer and it is such fun. :) brooke appler On Jun 17, 12:48 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just finishing up the semester and haven't scheduled anything yet. I'm thinking late July. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:50 AM, erik jensenbicyclen...@gmail.com wrote: Has this gone off yet? I saved it in my inbox, but my partner and I will be moving to the bay area on July 1st and would love to join up with some local riders for an s24o. She rides a saluki, I've an atlantis. Thanks, erik jensen On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: OK, roll call time. Anyone from the Peninsula area (let's say, San Jose to Redwood City, more or less) who is interested in a sub-24 overnight, email me. Let me know what your schedule is, and what destinations appeal to you. Let's think about a trip in late June or late July. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: SF Peninsula s24 overnight? was Re: [RBW] S24O: Crystal Cove, 6/27
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Anne Paulsonanne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: Would Caltrain be good enough, as far as public transportation goes? I meant that to go privately, but now that I'm posting, how would July 31 (a Friday) work for everyone? I'm currently thinking of the campground at the Sanborn youth hostel, up above Saratoga, for a site. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
I guess I never got around to reading the article. GP does discount TT length, although not in favor of stand over. He focuses on seat tube angle, saddle and handlebar height. I remain unconvinced that stand over is a more significant measure than TT. I put 60 Big Apples on a bike that is already a bit taller than my other bikes. Sure, getting on and off the bike is awkward. But the only difference I notice in the ride and handling is the cush feel that are BA's call to fame. Which would seem consistent with GP's theory, as seat tube angle and relative saddle and handle bar height have not changed. On Jul 3, 9:41 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: For those who may have missed it, there was an article in the last Rivendell Reader on the subject of top tube length with some useful explanatory illustrations. On Jul 3, 7:25 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: It's not quite that simple. Since head tube and seat tube angles vary, it's possible to have, say, a longer TT on a certain bike, yet have a shorter/easier reach to the handlebars, or vice versa. On a custom bike I received awhile back, I asked that the TT be a tiny bit shorter than that on my Atlantis. When I got the frame, I measured and was horrified to see that it was actually about 1.5 cm longer! Turns out that even with a slightly longer stem, I feel less stretched out on the bike with the longer TT. Why is this? Well, I haven't bothered to do the trigonometry or even take detailed measurements. The bike works great, and I am happy. TT length is best taken as a ballpark frame sizing measurement, and I think many folks put too much emphasis on this single measurement. Like saddle height, it's essentially an adjustable measurement - you get a frame size that's close, and get a stem that gives a comfortable position. In this case, Surly frames come in 2 cm increments, and for those of us who have some idea of what works already, it's pretty easy to determine between which two frame sizes we fall. But Cross-Checks are taller than Rivendells, in any given size. So if someone had, say, a 58 cm Rambouillet with tight-ish standover, then a 58 cm Cross-Check may be downright uncomfortable in the standover area. Put 42 mm tires on it, and it's going to be even bigger. On Jul 3, 4:19 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: This is a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway. How does one size a bike by the length of the top tube? While I suppose there is some value to stand over height, TT length by far is more important. For the most part when using a bike, the rider is not standing but rather reaching forward to the handle bars. If the reach is too far or too close, it will not be comfortable riding the bike. Some bodies will be different of course, but for the most part if TT length is right, the rider is not going to have any trouble mounting and dismounting (which seems to me the only time standover really matters) On Jul 3, 9:53 am, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I ride a Rambouillet and a Traveler's Check. They're both good bikes and they are approximately the same size. I ride a 56cm frame and when I bought the Surly I ordered the closesst frame to that size: BB to top of seat tube. This is a dumb question but I'm going to ask it anyway. How does one size a bike by the length of the top tube? Don't you always have to measure the seat tube or the stand-over height? Seeking enlightenment. GeorgeS On Jul 2, 11:54 pm, Dan Abelson abelson@gmail.com wrote: I have a 54cm Quickbeam and ride a 52cm Crosscheck. The top tube feels a bit shorter on the Crosscheck but both fit. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. Thanks, Gino- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
