[RBW] Re: Heavy good bike
Hmm .. . . enjoyable . Just what is enjoyable anyways? Last night I watched the National Parks series on PBS. What it did is remind me of the insanity of a faced paced so called modern life. There must be time to just be to contemplate . . . . to smell the roses so to speak . We go so fast now it's difficult to digest the present moment. I suspect many readers who read this will not be able to recognize this because of the fast pace we have become accustomed to. When was the last time you were emotionally moved? . or took the time to fully embrace that moment? What's this have to do with bicycling? Everything. We often go so fast we don't take in what we see or experience on the road. We go from point A to B in a one way trance-like state and forget all the details along the way. I used to be all about time and distance how far can I ride today? Then I could not ride for a few yearsand really didn't know if I ever could again. I am riding again. and I appreciate riding more than I had. My strength is less than it was. maybe it will return ... maybe not . I can't say it really matters. What matters is enjoying the ride. Look around enjoy the view . smell the air. I get more out of a 30-60 minute ride than I ever did in the past. Does the weight of your bike matter? Maybe. Maybe . because each of are where we are in life. Often it takes something that matters to make the change to something that no longer matters. All roads eventually lead home. -Garth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: I know we're not supposed to talk about weight, but anyone Sam weight
Weight is more a mental thing than a real physical factor for the recreational/touring rider. Even for racers, aerodynamics are probably more important than weight. (Wind resistance increases with the square of the velocity increase, hence the extra terrestrial looking outfits worn by Time Trialers) This past weekend, I rode my Ram on our local Alabama Bike MS ride, with heavy acorn canvas seat bag, frame pump, steel rails and leather Selle Anatomica saddle and 37mm Pasela tires, and carried a full rain suit (decent quality, maybe 1 1/2 lbs?) to boot, after an early AM glance at the radar. My bike was maybe 10 lbs heavier than the Scott and Orbea carbon rigs on 23 mm 150 psi rubber, with saddle envelopes that could barely hold a tube and a CO2 dispenser. You'd expect that my rig would have me trailing the pack, right? Actually no. At mile 30 when the heavens opened up ( I mean flash flood warning deluge levels) I pulled over and put on rain gear and was one of the less than 1/2 who finished the next 45 miles in relative comfort. The fat tires were surefooted at all times on wet roads, and handled the occasional chuck hole with aplomb. I ended the 75 miles at exactly my usual average pace (14.6 mph I am not fast, no matter what.) and dropped most of the fancy folks on the hills (I live in a hilly area, they don't. Hills get easier the more you ride them, as most folks here know.) I say hills because nothing was over an 8% grade on either day. For comparison, on Sunday, we had gorgeous weather and I rode the same average pace for 80 miles with a bit more climbing, without the rain suit. I spent most of the 2d day with a group who all noticed that I spent more time on my saddle and less standing up to relieve pain than they did. They ALL wanted to know about the Selle Anatomica. I explained that it was a lot heavier than what they were using. They replied they were now long past concern on bike weight and a lot more focused on being comfortable. Which is where this rambling post is trying to get to. As GP has noted, some weight comes along with building a capable. comfortable ride. As a footnote, let me mention that I've dropped almost 30 lbs since mid June, and THAT makes a huge difference in my riding. Tailwinds From: Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com is there a weight limit that would keep a potential buyer from owning one? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Heavy good bike
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: . When was the last time you were emotionally moved? . or took the time to fully embrace that moment? Yesterday, climbing 2 miles of Golf Course with a tail-ish wind and a 75 fixed gear! What's this have to do with bicycling? Everything. We often go so fast we don't take in what we see or experience on the road. I wish! Does the weight of your bike matter? Yes, because at 54 1/2 I am to weak to grunt a 35 lb monster with a single gear up a steep hill. All roads eventually lead home. Some roads lead to hell. Patrick Moore, faithfully punctuating, in Albuquerque, NM -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Good reason for flat fork crown...
...seems to provide a good perch for a pregnant praying mantis! Picked her up out of the middle of the road and gave her a lift a couple hundred feet to a more sheltered spot in some brush. She started out sitting on my handlebar but promptly climbed down the cable housing and hung onto the fork crown 'til we stopped. First two pics here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738...@n08/ Riv content-was on my Heron Road. Steve hope she names a couple hundred of the youn'un's after me! Frederick, East Lansing, MI --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] I know we're not supposed to talk about weight, but anyone know Sam weight
not sure what happened to my earlier post, but still curious. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: F.S. 55.5cm All Rounder Burnt orange
On Sep 28, 2009, at 11:27 AM, drcycl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 28, 7:02 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Sep 27, 2009, at 11:30 PM, drcycl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 26, 5:11 am, James Dinneen jfxdinn...@yahoo.com wrote: A 33.5 inch standover height seems way too tall for a 55.5 seat tube. Are you sure on that measurement? --- On Fri, 9/25/09, drcycl...@gmail.com drcycl...@gmail.com wrote: hello all I'm selling my 55.5 cm all rounder frame the standover height is just a little too tall for me it's about 33.5 inches. It is in amazing shape no dents or dings a few scratches and chips of paint. This is a waterford built bike burnt orange color it has a 57.5 top tube ctoc and takes 700 c tires has fender eyelets no rack eyelets. Frame and Fork only 1100. email me if you want photos. The allrounders were a semi custom bike at this time and could be ordered with a varity of modifications like 700c instead of 26inches. The standover is so high because of the combination of a already high bottom bracket with 700c wheels. The main difference between this and the long low besides the bottom bracket height is the chainstays. The longlows were narrower, where as the allrounders were wide enough to accept a very large tire size. To the best of my recollection- and having paid quite a bit of attention when I ordered my A/R in 1996- the Waterford era A/Rs were not available as 700C bikes. And they certainly did not have a high bottom bracket as a low bottom bracket is a hallmark of Grant's designs. Because the frames were designed for 26 wheels, the A/Rs had much less BB drop than the Road and LongLows. You seem to be describing an A/R with the wrong wheels in it. Some photos would be very interesting. I have built up and ridden this bike with 700c wheels there is no way a 26inch wheel would work with this frame. A 650b is even too small to work with the position of the cantilever bosses, which I tried to lower the standover height. Well, this is certainly a peculiar sounding All-Rounder. Are you the original owner? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Heavy great bike
I understand the desire for light bikes. But let's not overlook the joys of heavier steeds. I'm currently on a Pacific Coast loaded tour, riding my Atlantis, not the lightest of machines when unloaded. But it handles my 55 lbs or so with grace and aplomb. Two days ago we decided to take a side trip to the Lady Bird Johnson redwood grove. Surprise! 1200 feet of climbing in 2.3 miles. I didn't fly up the hill, but I got there, and thetrees seemed all the more majestic for my efforts. Today, yikes, we ride from Eureka to Petrolia, another ride conspicuously lacking flatness. I will still be glad I am carrying my cheese grater and my frying pan. In the search for lightness, we must not loose sight of the real goal- enjoying the whole ride. -- -- Anne Paulson He who wills the ends wills the means --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: I know we're not supposed to talk about weight, but anyone Sam weight
A couple years ago, we had a customer with a full carbon Specialized Roubaix Pro, probably a 16 or 17-pounder, on which he intended to ride brevets up to and including PBP. He was referred to my shop because we had bags with leather straps that could be safely attached to carbon bars and seatposts. On a lark, I offered him a ride on a Rambouillet, and he thought it was pretty nice (of course). A week or so later, he decided to buy that Rambouillet, but it had already gone to a good home. I had one other that I thought was too big, but he assured me that he wasn't sensitive to trivialities like frame size, standover clearance, and bike fit, and he bought it. He told me later that the Rambouillet, despite being 6-7 lbs heavier than his plastic bike, was, for whatever reasons, quite a bit faster on some of his regular loops. I keep an eye on the local brevet series because many riders are friends and customers, and have noticed that this guy (on his Rambouillet) is usually among the front wave of finishers, even on his heavy bike. While weight does have some effect on speed and effort, in this case, at least, other factors were more than enough to compensate for a substantial difference in bike weight. On Sep 29, 9:57 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Sep 29, 2009, at 9:19 AM, John McMurry wrote: On Sep 29, 9:46 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Weight is more a mental thing than a real physical factor for the recreational/touring rider. I disagree. For a recreational/touring rider who may stop and start quite often, and doesn't push for high speeds; weight matters and is a real, measurable, physical factor. I'm not suggesting gram shaving a commuter at the expense of durability. But if you're carrying around unnecessary extra pounds; they generally won't add to the enjoyment of riding a bicycle unless your ride is all downhill. I don't know about that. I have a 21 lb bike (my old race bike, with a heavier and more comfortable saddle than I used to use plus having swapped out the Campy Ergo stuff for more sensible components) and my All-Rounder which weighs in around 28 lbs with fenders, front rack, handlebar bag, generator and lights, 30+ year old Brooks Pro, etc. My speeds on the A/R aren't any slower and I enjoy riding it much more on hilly or flat rides. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B on a Rivendell Custom
Will the brakes reach? From: James Valiensi valie...@mac.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:22:24 PM Subject: [RBW] 650B on a Rivendell Custom Hullo All, I'm thinking of putting 650B x 42 on my custom Rivendell road bike. The frame was designed for 700C wheels and has a low bottom bracket (BB drop is 83). I figure the 650B x 42 will have the same outside diameter of 700C x 23. And the bike is OK with those wheels. Anyone know what the actual OD of 650B x 42 is? I may be scraping pedals! Cheers! James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: I know we're not supposed to talk about weight, but anyone Sam weight
On Sep 29, 10:57 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Sep 29, 2009, at 9:19 AM, John McMurry wrote: On Sep 29, 9:46 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Weight is more a mental thing than a real physical factor for the recreational/touring rider. I disagree. For a recreational/touring rider who may stop and start quite often, and doesn't push for high speeds; weight matters and is a real, measurable, physical factor. I'm not suggesting gram shaving a commuter at the expense of durability. But if you're carrying around unnecessary extra pounds; they generally won't add to the enjoyment of riding a bicycle unless your ride is all downhill. I don't know about that. I have a 21 lb bike (my old race bike, with a heavier and more comfortable saddle than I used to use plus having swapped out the Campy Ergo stuff for more sensible components) and my All-Rounder which weighs in around 28 lbs with fenders, front rack, handlebar bag, generator and lights, 30+ year old Brooks Pro, etc. My speeds on the A/R aren't any slower and I enjoy riding it much more on hilly or flat rides. When comparing those two bikes, you introduce too many variables to accurately isolate only one. Though, when your A/R handlebar bag is full with a commute load it will be slower than without it (all else equal). Not that speed is your goal, and not that a minute off your commute is a big deal; my point being is that weight makes a real, measurable, physical difference. Whether that matters to you or not is a personal decision. FYI, I'm perfectly happy, comfortable, and attain enjoyable speeds on an AHH with 42mm tires, 36 spoked wheels, fenders, bags, dynamo, etc. (even though I'm measurably faster on my 32 hole White Ind. wheelset with 30mm tires on the same bike). -not _intentionally_ poking a bee's nest John McMurry Burlington, VT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivendell and competitive cycling!
LOL too funny ya know come to think of it he would probably have fewer mechanicals on a Roadeo spec'd by Riv. And the Roadeo could have a cool World Champion special paintjob for andWait I am taking this waaay too seriously On Sep 28, 6:18 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: It would help to add the link:http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wb8bAl1P-N0/SLC23IO3-CI/C40/OtmMxOt... On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 7:18 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The stuff of nightmares! (Sorry, I'll go away now.) -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Heavy great bike
Clarification: I also enjoy heavy bikes, but not because they are heavy. After all, I do like riding the Monocog that, with Nelson and tool kit, but no other load, weighs 35 lb, a good part of which are in the massively heavy (780 gram Snowcat rims, 900 gram Big Apples) wheels. But if it weighed 25 lb I'd like it even better. And by gosh and gum, grinding that thing up a steep hill is a bloody chore! - especially when you have only one gear. On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote: I understand the desire for light bikes. But let's not overlook the joys of heavier steeds. I'm currently on a Pacific Coast loaded tour, riding my Atlantis, not the lightest of machines when unloaded. But it handles my 55 lbs or so with grace and aplomb. Two days ago we decided to take a side trip to the Lady Bird Johnson redwood grove. Surprise! 1200 feet of climbing in 2.3 miles. I didn't fly up the hill, but I got there, and thetrees seemed all the more majestic for my efforts. Today, yikes, we ride from Eureka to Petrolia, another ride conspicuously lacking flatness. I will still be glad I am carrying my cheese grater and my frying pan. In the search for lightness, we must not loose sight of the real goal- enjoying the whole ride. -- -- Anne Paulson He who wills the ends wills the means -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] MUSA Pants, Knickers Shorts
I'm considering trying some MUSA knickers. I've read the nylon is a lightweight weave. I've worn Ex Officio Amphi shorts/pants with the briefs cut out for many years. and the nylon there is flyweight and super supple, some feel like silk.(They vary from year to year) I'm wondering if anyone has both Amphi pants/shorts and some MUSA pants/shorts/knickers and can say if the nylon is about the same. ... or not. Is the belt good and stiff elastic, or is the cheap wimpy stuff that doesn't really hold? Is the belt removable/replaceable? -Garth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Nitto R14 Users
I was about to get a Mark's rack... but it's out of stock again and no ETA. I saw Riv added a R14 two strut version for front use though. I've never used one of these but wondered about the stability and or noise from the R14 wether 2 strut or back version. For those that use them . do the racks rattle or jiggle or are they solid? I used a Pletscher years ago and wasn't fond of the noise. I don't need it to carry much weight obviously I just don't want to buy a rattle trap. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] AHH with 45mm VO fenders and what size tires?
My AHH is being built this week and/or next and I initially had it spec'd with Marathon XR tires, but ended up feeling they looked too aggressive and opted for some Jack Brown blues. I know the Jack Browns are 33.333 mm. Should those look okay with 45mm VO fenders? Help a newbie out! Should I get something bigger? I want something fairly durable and I ride mostly streets with the very occasional dirt trail. I'm mainly interested in comfort and quiet. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: AHH with 45mm VO fenders and what size tires?
VO 45mm should be perfect for jack browns, and a good choice of tire, btw! Are you going with the steel or aluminum fenders? The steel ones might be better for long term durability. You will definitely hear more rocks rattling through metal fenders as opposed to the plastic ones, but that's never bothered me and I've always preferred the look and better coverage provided by good metal fenders. On Sep 29, 9:44 am, William F. House williamfho...@gmail.com wrote: My AHH is being built this week and/or next and I initially had it spec'd with Marathon XR tires, but ended up feeling they looked too aggressive and opted for some Jack Brown blues. I know the Jack Browns are 33.333 mm. Should those look okay with 45mm VO fenders? Help a newbie out! Should I get something bigger? I want something fairly durable and I ride mostly streets with the very occasional dirt trail. I'm mainly interested in comfort and quiet. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Who made the hatchet sold by RBW?
What company made the small hatchet once sold by RBW? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Reader-recommended running shoes
I remember that in a Reader a number of years ago there was a recommendation for a certain kind of running shoe which shared some similarities with things Rivendell, and I was hoping that someone might possibly remember what the name was. I recently moved to the city, so am without my stack of back issues, and am admitting that I ought to stop running in worn-out Sambas. I would much appreciate any tips anyone might be able to give. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who made the hatchet sold by RBW?
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: What company made the small hatchet once sold by RBW? I'm pretty sure it was Gransfors Bruks: http://www.gransfors.us/ -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Levi's Granfondo
I just emailed information for the GranFondo, and the guy who wrote back says that even the PiccoloFondo (36 mile route) is challenging, and the climb is not easy! He recommended riding a road bike. I guess I'll be leaving my Glorius at home this Saturday : ( Will keep an eye out for other Rivs. -Cheryl On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Cheryl Mitchell cherony...@gmail.comwrote: I may do the PiccoloFondo on my Glorius. But if I do the MedioFondo, it will have to be on my non-Riv road bike. I'm still undecided! Cheryl On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:03 AM, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.netwrote: Will there be any Rivendells on the Granfondo? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who made the hatchet sold by RBW?
Thank you, Bill. RS --- On Tue, 9/29/09, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Who made the hatchet sold by RBW? To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 10:08 AM On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: What company made the small hatchet once sold by RBW? I'm pretty sure it was Gransfors Bruks: http://www.gransfors.us/ -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Reader-recommended running shoes
Puma kugel [check for the spelling though] -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelley Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 4:59 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Reader-recommended running shoes I remember that in a Reader a number of years ago there was a recommendation for a certain kind of running shoe which shared some similarities with things Rivendell, and I was hoping that someone might possibly remember what the name was. I recently moved to the city, so am without my stack of back issues, and am admitting that I ought to stop running in worn-out Sambas. I would much appreciate any tips anyone might be able to give. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: AHH with 45mm VO fenders and what size tires?
I think the Jack Browns with 45mm V/O fenders will look good. Here's a Hillborne with Jack Browns and 45mm Honjos: http://www.ecovelo.info/2009/09/12/more-sam-h-pics/ a...@ecovelo http://www.ecovelo.info On Sep 29, 9:44 am, William F. House williamfho...@gmail.com wrote: My AHH is being built this week and/or next and I initially had it spec'd with Marathon XR tires, but ended up feeling they looked too aggressive and opted for some Jack Brown blues. I know the Jack Browns are 33.333 mm. Should those look okay with 45mm VO fenders? Help a newbie out! Should I get something bigger? I want something fairly durable and I ride mostly streets with the very occasional dirt trail. I'm mainly interested in comfort and quiet. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Reader-recommended running shoes
Hi Kelley, Vitruvian. http://www.vitruvianrunning.com/ -jb On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Kelley dkra...@gmail.com wrote: I remember that in a Reader a number of years ago there was a recommendation for a certain kind of running shoe which shared some similarities with things Rivendell, and I was hoping that someone might possibly remember what the name was. I recently moved to the city, so am without my stack of back issues, and am admitting that I ought to stop running in worn-out Sambas. I would much appreciate any tips anyone might be able to give. -- John Blish Minneapolis MN USA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: I know we're not supposed to talk about weight, but anyone Sam weight
On Sep 29, 2009, at 11:03 AM, John McMurry wrote: On Sep 29, 10:57 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Sep 29, 2009, at 9:19 AM, John McMurry wrote: On Sep 29, 9:46 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Weight is more a mental thing than a real physical factor for the recreational/touring rider. I disagree. For a recreational/touring rider who may stop and start quite often, and doesn't push for high speeds; weight matters and is a real, measurable, physical factor. I'm not suggesting gram shaving a commuter at the expense of durability. But if you're carrying around unnecessary extra pounds; they generally won't add to the enjoyment of riding a bicycle unless your ride is all downhill. I don't know about that. I have a 21 lb bike (my old race bike, with a heavier and more comfortable saddle than I used to use plus having swapped out the Campy Ergo stuff for more sensible components) and my All-Rounder which weighs in around 28 lbs with fenders, front rack, handlebar bag, generator and lights, 30+ year old Brooks Pro, etc. My speeds on the A/R aren't any slower and I enjoy riding it much more on hilly or flat rides. When comparing those two bikes, you introduce too many variables to accurately isolate only one. Not so many, really just weight. My position is the same between the bikes and arguably the Riv should be the aerodynamically worse bike. The local hills are about 350-400 feet in altitude gain, though, so it's not like I'm riding up l'Alpe-d'Huez (which I have done, and there I think the weight difference would be noticeable). Though, when your A/R handlebar bag is full with a commute load it will be slower than without it (all else equal). That's not been my experience. I should note that the bar bag is a Berthoud Mini 86, so it's about the size of the Lil Loafer just sideways on the rack. Doesn't hold that much, just enough for a brevet or century. My commuter has a Carradice Longflap and is a 3 speed, so it is a bit slower than my other bikes if for no other reason than the limited gearing choices. It weighs less than the A/R. Not that speed is your goal, and not that a minute off your commute is a big deal; my point being is that weight makes a real, measurable, physical difference. Whether that matters to you or not is a personal decision. Back when I raced speed was the primary goal on most rides. It remains a goal on brevets to a degree. But, as I get older (turned 50 today), I find I am less concerned with miles per hour than I am with smiles per hour. FYI, I'm perfectly happy, comfortable, and attain enjoyable speeds on an AHH with 42mm tires, 36 spoked wheels, fenders, bags, dynamo, etc. (even though I'm measurably faster on my 32 hole White Ind. wheelset with 30mm tires on the same bike). -not _intentionally_ poking a bee's nest Ah but when we talk within the Church of the Bicycle, there are bee's nests abounding! ;-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants, Knickers Shorts
I can't compare them directly to Ex Officio but they are really lightweight nylon. Still tough, though. I use my knickers for a lot of mountain biking (including occasional falling) and they are holding up great. I also do errands in them a lot. The elastic keeps them up fine for my road riding. For mountain riding, where I stand up a lot, they tend to slip if I don't wear suspenders, but they are a size too big (they were on sale) and I imagine they would be fine in the correct size. All in all, I'm happy with them. Jim On Sep 29, 9:25 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: I'm considering trying some MUSA knickers. I've read the nylon is a lightweight weave. I've worn Ex Officio Amphi shorts/pants with the briefs cut out for many years. and the nylon there is flyweight and super supple, some feel like silk.(They vary from year to year) I'm wondering if anyone has both Amphi pants/shorts and some MUSA pants/shorts/knickers and can say if the nylon is about the same. ... or not. Is the belt good and stiff elastic, or is the cheap wimpy stuff that doesn't really hold? Is the belt removable/replaceable? -Garth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Reader-recommended running shoes
Vitruvian, http://www.vitruvianrunning.com/ On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Kelley dkra...@gmail.com wrote: I remember that in a Reader a number of years ago there was a recommendation for a certain kind of running shoe which shared some similarities with things Rivendell, and I was hoping that someone might possibly remember what the name was. I recently moved to the city, so am without my stack of back issues, and am admitting that I ought to stop running in worn-out Sambas. I would much appreciate any tips anyone might be able to give. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B on a Rivendell Custom
Hi, I have the long reach silvers, so sure they'll work. But I got the tires last night, and decided not to use them on my Rivendell. The tires are smaller than listed. They measured 38mm wide on Velocity rims, and they are only 38mm tall. So the tire diameter will be too small and my bottom bracket too low for comfort (less than 10). I used them on a 650B frame I have. These tires are so soft and cushy. I can't wait to do a ride with them. The tires are Grand Bois Hetre's.(sp) On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:46 AM, Z wrote: Will the brakes reach? From: James Valiensi valie...@mac.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:22:24 PM Subject: [RBW] 650B on a Rivendell Custom Hullo All, I'm thinking of putting 650B x 42 on my custom Rivendell road bike. The frame was designed for 700C wheels and has a low bottom bracket (BB drop is 83). I figure the 650B x 42 will have the same outside diameter of 700C x 23. And the bike is OK with those wheels. Anyone know what the actual OD of 650B x 42 is? I may be scraping pedals! Cheers! James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants, Knickers Shorts
Don't have the knickers but I wear the Musa shorts and I've got a pair of the Ex Officio pants that I'm pretty sure are the amphi's and are definitely the super flyweight nylon. The Musa's are lightweight but I wouldn't call it flyweight and the fabric is just a hair / smidgen stiffer than the Ex Officio's. Not stiff at all, but only in comparison. The Musa material has that slightly shiny nylon effect. My shorts also tend to come down in the back unless cinched up tight and pulled up when saddling up. Even then they come down in the back a bit. Still, I really like them. I wear a cutoff pair of Jonesware wool padded shorts underneath and that's a real comfy combo even for long rides. Off the bike, I wear the Musa's almost every day. Belt is fine for my use. Never thought about it much so it must be working properly. I don't think it's removable. Hope that helps some. Clif http://hardmenwithsoftbellies.wordpress.com/ On Sep 29, 12:35 pm, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: I can't compare them directly to Ex Officio but they are really lightweight nylon. Still tough, though. I use my knickers for a lot of mountain biking (including occasional falling) and they are holding up great. I also do errands in them a lot. The elastic keeps them up fine for my road riding. For mountain riding, where I stand up a lot, they tend to slip if I don't wear suspenders, but they are a size too big (they were on sale) and I imagine they would be fine in the correct size. All in all, I'm happy with them. Jim On Sep 29, 9:25 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: I'm considering trying some MUSA knickers. I've read the nylon is a lightweight weave. I've worn Ex Officio Amphi shorts/pants with the briefs cut out for many years. and the nylon there is flyweight and super supple, some feel like silk.(They vary from year to year) I'm wondering if anyone has both Amphi pants/shorts and some MUSA pants/shorts/knickers and can say if the nylon is about the same. ... or not. Is the belt good and stiff elastic, or is the cheap wimpy stuff that doesn't really hold? Is the belt removable/replaceable? -Garth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Nitto R14 Users
I installed the Riv-available Pletscher (for front or rear) on the rear of my bike. Not a Nitto for sure, but a fine solid medium duty rack. The spring clip does make noise and I have been tempted to remove it, but too often it so handy for unloading a layer of clothing. On Sep 29, 9:35 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: I was about to get a Mark's rack... but it's out of stock again and no ETA. I saw Riv added a R14 two strut version for front use though. I've never used one of these but wondered about the stability and or noise from the R14 wether 2 strut or back version. For those that use them . do the racks rattle or jiggle or are they solid? I used a Pletscher years ago and wasn't fond of the noise. I don't need it to carry much weight obviously I just don't want to buy a rattle trap. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B on a Rivendell Custom
It is claimed that they stretch with use/time to measure more like 42mm. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of James Valiensi Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:01 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: 650B on a Rivendell Custom Hi, I have the long reach silvers, so sure they'll work. But I got the tires last night, and decided not to use them on my Rivendell. The tires are smaller than listed. They measured 38mm wide on Velocity rims, and they are only 38mm tall. So the tire diameter will be too small and my bottom bracket too low for comfort (less than 10). I used them on a 650B frame I have. These tires are so soft and cushy. I can't wait to do a ride with them. The tires are Grand Bois Hetre's.(sp) On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:46 AM, Z wrote: Will the brakes reach? _ From: James Valiensi valie...@mac.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:22:24 PM Subject: [RBW] 650B on a Rivendell Custom Hullo All, I'm thinking of putting 650B x 42 on my custom Rivendell road bike. The frame was designed for 700C wheels and has a low bottom bracket (BB drop is 83). I figure the 650B x 42 will have the same outside diameter of 700C x 23. And the bike is OK with those wheels. Anyone know what the actual OD of 650B x 42 is? I may be scraping pedals! Cheers! James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Nitto R14 Users
Also, I have an R14 on the rear of my Bleriot. Solid, like a rock. And I don't use anything but a loaf style trunk bag on it. On Sep 29, 9:35 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: I was about to get a Mark's rack... but it's out of stock again and no ETA. I saw Riv added a R14 two strut version for front use though. I've never used one of these but wondered about the stability and or noise from the R14 wether 2 strut or back version. For those that use them . do the racks rattle or jiggle or are they solid? I used a Pletscher years ago and wasn't fond of the noise. I don't need it to carry much weight obviously I just don't want to buy a rattle trap. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Nitto R14 Users
I've got a Mark's rack on the back of my Quickbeam and a Top Rack (R14) on the back of my Atlantis. Both of them are rock solid and neither of them rattle at all. They're great racks! I mainly use the Top Rack for carrying a Big Loafer and the Mark's to support a large saddle bag. I suppose the extra struts might be nice if you're carrying a lot of weight but they're definitely not necessary just to prevent jiggling and rattling. Shaun Meehan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Nitto R14 Users
Anyone know the difference between a Nitto Mini Front and a Nitto M-12 front rack? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who made the hatchet sold by RBW?
Thanks, Chuck. great link! RS --- On Tue, 9/29/09, Chuck chuckw...@gmail.com wrote: From: Chuck chuckw...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Who made the hatchet sold by RBW? To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 11:05 AM I believe it was Gransfors. Ben's Backwoods still sells them. http://www.bensbackwoods.com/servlet/StoreFront I recently bought a small Wetterlings axe from Ben's. Best axe I've ever owned, and it costs much less than the Gransfors Bruks. The Gransfors must really be nice! Chuck On Sep 29, 12:08 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: What company made the small hatchet once sold by RBW? I'm pretty sure it was Gransfors Bruks:http://www.gransfors.us/ -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: AHH with 45mm VO fenders and what size tires?
Thanks Brett. And I totally don't mind the sound of metal fenders (I got the stainless ones). I have metal fenders on my Kogswell and love them. And thanks Alan, I didn't realize your new Hillborne had the Jack Browns and 45mm fenders. I comment as Lush on your site and read there all the time. Love that bike. Sounds like I have a winning combo. On Sep 29, 10:55 am, BrettVO rivromu...@gmail.com wrote: VO 45mm should be perfect for jack browns, and a good choice of tire, btw! Are you going with the steel or aluminum fenders? The steel ones might be better for long term durability. You will definitely hear more rocks rattling through metal fenders as opposed to the plastic ones, but that's never bothered me and I've always preferred the look and better coverage provided by good metal fenders. On Sep 29, 9:44 am, William F. House williamfho...@gmail.com wrote: My AHH is being built this week and/or next and I initially had it spec'd with Marathon XR tires, but ended up feeling they looked too aggressive and opted for some Jack Brown blues. I know the Jack Browns are 33.333 mm. Should those look okay with 45mm VO fenders? Help a newbie out! Should I get something bigger? I want something fairly durable and I ride mostly streets with the very occasional dirt trail. I'm mainly interested in comfort and quiet. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: AHH with 45mm VO fenders and what size tires?
I can also vouch for Jack Brown blues and 45MM Honjos, although I wouldn't go much bigger with the tires... http://picasaweb.google.com/stonehog/BrianSHilsenInSeattle# Brian On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:13 PM, William F. House williamfho...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks Brett. And I totally don't mind the sound of metal fenders (I got the stainless ones). I have metal fenders on my Kogswell and love them. And thanks Alan, I didn't realize your new Hillborne had the Jack Browns and 45mm fenders. I comment as Lush on your site and read there all the time. Love that bike. Sounds like I have a winning combo. On Sep 29, 10:55 am, BrettVO rivromu...@gmail.com wrote: VO 45mm should be perfect for jack browns, and a good choice of tire, btw! Are you going with the steel or aluminum fenders? The steel ones might be better for long term durability. You will definitely hear more rocks rattling through metal fenders as opposed to the plastic ones, but that's never bothered me and I've always preferred the look and better coverage provided by good metal fenders. On Sep 29, 9:44 am, William F. House williamfho...@gmail.com wrote: My AHH is being built this week and/or next and I initially had it spec'd with Marathon XR tires, but ended up feeling they looked too aggressive and opted for some Jack Brown blues. I know the Jack Browns are 33.333 mm. Should those look okay with 45mm VO fenders? Help a newbie out! Should I get something bigger? I want something fairly durable and I ride mostly streets with the very occasional dirt trail. I'm mainly interested in comfort and quiet. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B on a Rivendell Custom
I figure they'll stretch 2mm max. On Sep 29, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Frederick, Steve wrote: It is claimed that they stretch with use/time to measure more like 42mm. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of James Valiensi Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:01 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: 650B on a Rivendell Custom Hi, I have the long reach silvers, so sure they'll work. But I got the tires last night, and decided not to use them on my Rivendell. The tires are smaller than listed. They measured 38mm wide on Velocity rims, and they are only 38mm tall. So the tire diameter will be too small and my bottom bracket too low for comfort (less than 10). I used them on a 650B frame I have. These tires are so soft and cushy. I can't wait to do a ride with them. The tires are Grand Bois Hetre's.(sp) On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:46 AM, Z wrote: Will the brakes reach? From: James Valiensi valie...@mac.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:22:24 PM Subject: [RBW] 650B on a Rivendell Custom Hullo All, I'm thinking of putting 650B x 42 on my custom Rivendell road bike. The frame was designed for 700C wheels and has a low bottom bracket (BB drop is 83). I figure the 650B x 42 will have the same outside diameter of 700C x 23. And the bike is OK with those wheels. Anyone know what the actual OD of 650B x 42 is? I may be scraping pedals! Cheers! James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] AHH compared to Rom or Ram with Jack Browns
My Romulus of 6 years has served me well but I occasionally lust after an AHH frame because it would allow fenders with Jack Browns, plus additional braze-ons for a front rack. I have searched the archives and found some discussions comparing the Rambouillet/Romulus to the A. Homer Hilsen but I'm curious if anyone who has ridden both bikes with Jack Browns could comment on any differences in the way they handle. Is there any significant difference in ride characteristics when using Jack Browns on a Rom/Ram vs. AHH? It does appear the AHH has a longer chainstay so perhaps that would be make it less nimble but more stable especially with a load in the back? Brett. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: AHH compared to Rom or Ram with Jack Browns
It does appear the AHH has a longer chainstay so perhaps that would be make it less nimble but more stable especially with a load in the back? That's my experience. I've ridden an AHH at Riv HQ, and it seems a bit less twitchy - not that a Ram/Rom is twitchy at all. What I should say is that there is a bit more stability on the AHH. I ride my Romulus as my go less slow bike, but since I put the Jack Browns on in Feb, they haven't come off: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/3683083953/ I'd also be interested in what other people have to say. On Sep 29, 2:27 pm, rivrom rivromu...@gmail.com wrote: My Romulus of 6 years has served me well but I occasionally lust after an AHH frame because it would allow fenders with Jack Browns, plus additional braze-ons for a front rack. I have searched the archives and found some discussions comparing the Rambouillet/Romulus to the A. Homer Hilsen but I'm curious if anyone who has ridden both bikes with Jack Browns could comment on any differences in the way they handle. Is there any significant difference in ride characteristics when using Jack Browns on a Rom/Ram vs. AHH? It does appear the AHH has a longer chainstay so perhaps that would be make it less nimble but more stable especially with a load in the back? Brett. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Nitto R14 Users
I've wondered about that rack ever since seeing it on the Rivendell site. In what scenario would one choose it over the M12? It seems silly to use clamps or add separate braze ons when the canti posts are already there. Ryan On Sep 29, 2009, at 12:46, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: One attaches to canti braze-ons and the other to fork braze-ons or to the fork using P-clamps. Both are for bikes with cantis. I have an R14 in my basement, I just need to figure out which bike to put it on. Probably my commuter. --mike On Sep 29, 11:34 am, Weird Harold alanpcr...@yahoo.com wrote: Anyone know the difference between a Nitto Mini Front and a Nitto M-12 front rack? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
We thought it might be fun to fan the flames a little bit, so we took some side-by-side photos: http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7gallery=21 Obviously the Green is a popular, judging by how quickly Rivendell sold out of a few sizes. But lately, our customers are after the Orange. My vote is for the Green, but then again it is much closer to my personal color palette my wife calls Earth Monotone. Cheers, Bryan [Disclaimer: As always, we try to be true to the actual color of the frame, but between studio lighting, digital camera, iPhotoshop-ing, and monitor calibration, your mileage may vary.] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
Both look really good. They picked a great shade of green for the SH! But I prefer the orange. Shaun Meehan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Nitto R14 Users
My mistake, I thought we were talking about this one: http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bags_and_racks?a=1page=all#product=20-020 Mark's I can understand since it's adjustable to just about anything. Ryan On Tuesday, September 29, 2009, at 05:50PM, Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.com wrote: --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
I never really gave these frames a close look before. The colors are fine, but why the different lugs? If you are going to go through all the trouble involved with having a lugged frame made in Taiwan, the least you could do is specify lugs that match. Jay Hartman On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: We thought it might be fun to fan the flames a little bit, so we took some side-by-side photos: http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7gallery=21 Obviously the Green is a popular, judging by how quickly Rivendell sold out of a few sizes. But lately, our customers are after the Orange. My vote is for the Green, but then again it is much closer to my personal color palette my wife calls Earth Monotone. Cheers, Bryan [Disclaimer: As always, we try to be true to the actual color of the frame, but between studio lighting, digital camera, iPhotoshop-ing, and monitor calibration, your mileage may vary.] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
This reminds me of the Irish Rovers song whose chorus went: This is the greatest mix-up, I think you'll ever see. My father, he was orange, And my mother, she was green. Thanks Bryan. Great photos. Great contrast. -Original Message- From: Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 29, 2009 7:15 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne We thought it might be fun to fan the flames a little bit, so we took some side-by-side photos: http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7gallery=21 Obviously the Green is a popular, judging by how quickly Rivendell sold out of a few sizes. But lately, our customers are after the Orange. My vote is for the Green, but then again it is much closer to my personal color palette my wife calls Earth Monotone. Cheers, Bryan [Disclaimer: As always, we try to be true to the actual color of the frame, but between studio lighting, digital camera, iPhotoshop-ing, and monitor calibration, your mileage may vary.] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
Hi Jay, Are you referring to the lugs used on the fork or on the head tube? Rene From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Hartman Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:24 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne I never really gave these frames a close look before. The colors are fine, but why the different lugs? If you are going to go through all the trouble involved with having a lugged frame made in Taiwan, the least you could do is specify lugs that match. Jay Hartman On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: We thought it might be fun to fan the flames a little bit, so we took some side-by-side photos: http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7 http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7gallery=21 gallery=21 Obviously the Green is a popular, judging by how quickly Rivendell sold out of a few sizes. But lately, our customers are after the Orange. My vote is for the Green, but then again it is much closer to my personal color palette my wife calls Earth Monotone. Cheers, Bryan [Disclaimer: As always, we try to be true to the actual color of the frame, but between studio lighting, digital camera, iPhotoshop-ing, and monitor calibration, your mileage may vary.] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
I had not noticed it before either. Have a green one. But the orange is nice. A good dreamcycle color combo with the cream details. Rivendell does a good job of picking shades of orange that don't offend. Usually it's a color I dislike. However, the Hillborne (and the previous Quickbeam) are pleasing. Still glad mine is a green one. Just like it more. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sep 29, 7:23�pm, Jason Hartman rjasonhart...@gmail.com wrote: I never really gave these frames a close look before. The colors are fine, but why the different lugs? If you are going to go through all the trouble involved with having a lugged frame made in Taiwan, the least you could do is specify lugs that match. Jay Hartman On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: We thought it might be fun to fan the flames a little bit, so we took some side-by-side photos: http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7gallery=21 Obviously the Green is a popular, judging by how quickly Rivendell sold out of a few sizes. �But lately, our customers are after the Orange. My vote is for the Green, but then again it is much closer to my personal color palette my wife calls Earth Monotone. Cheers, Bryan [Disclaimer: �As always, we try to be true to the actual color of the frame, but between studio lighting, digital camera, iPhotoshop-ing, and monitor calibration, your mileage may vary.]- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Holy Crapamoly. 68cm Quickbeam. $499!!
Just saw this on evilbay. http://cgi.ebay.com/Rivendell-Quickbeam-frameset-frame-Vintage-Cycling-68cm_W0QQitemZ130334143053QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRoad_Bikes?hash=item1e5885324d_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 I've already got one and still I'm tempted. Someone buy this baby quick!! 68cm Quickbeam. The Stradivarius of tall single speed frames. Clif http://hardmenwithsoftbellies.wordpress.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sackville large saddlebag without zip ties for short trips?
Happen to use and like the Nitto quick release. Not only for commuting purposes (with a Nelson Longflap), but also for regular rides where I might pop into a store (with a smaller bag). Just a lot easier for me. Tried for a while to commute without one. But the time and frustration factor was too much. Plus, the Nitto puts the Nelson far enough back to only have a little bit o' thigh rub for me. Have also used the Nitto on a Terry saddle. Makes the saddle even more useful. To go back to the original post - have thought of getting a Sackville large for commuting, but have not because figured it would have to be strapped down besides using the quick release. (And the Tubus rack on the Hillborne prevents use of the front slot designed for a Nitto rack). As for the buckles, have decided, at least on my Atlantis with B-67 that they need to be on the outside. Not because the saddle hangs lower, but because the entire contraption squeaks with leather rubbing spring if the buckles are on the inside. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sep 28, 10:47�am, usuk2007 clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote: To comment on Tim's comments That's a nuisance, especially if you have put the buckles inside the � bag to snug it up against the saddle. �You have to open the bag, move � the contents out of the way, do gymnastics to see or blindly undo the � buckles by feel, drag the slightly oversized straps through the slots � in the saddle, etc., etc. �If you're going to be removing and � installing the bag a few times a day, some sort of QR system is helpful. The straps are a bit oversized for the holes in the bag at first, but they quickly soften up making it simple to get the straps through. For me QR mechanisms just add a complication. With a little bit of practice and the bag can be opened and the inside buckles undone quickly, not as fast as with a QR mechanism, but I don't mind taking 20 secs out of my day to do this. My routine is to open the saddlebag, take out my lock and lock the bike up, then remove the bag. Even if you do use a QR mechanism the buckles should still be done up on the inside of the bag. I believe that many of the reported issues with saddlebag sway are due to improper mounting. I don't like the Bagman, the Carradice SQR, etc. �They look like � designs asking to fail at some point due to the long lever with teh � weight of the bag at the far end. �And they just look kludgy to my � eyes. I agree about the way the QR systems look, but the regular Bagman puts the saddelbag very close to the saddle and cannot even be seen when the bag is mounted. The lever arm is not large at all. There is a long vertical section, but that obviously doesn't contribute to the moment. I can see an argument being made about the gauge of the rod used in its construction, but it's only supposed to carry 20lbs and I've found it to be just right for the Nelson Longflap. � --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Holy Crapamoly. 68cm Quickbeam. $499!!
Hmmm. Seller has excellent feedback but I'm confused by the it can easily accommodate a rear and front derailleur bit. I've got a question in to him to find out more. Also the left the steer tube uncut thing is confusing. Is that ever an issue with a threaded stem? On Sep 29, 8:13 pm, Cycletex clifwrightpho...@yahoo.com wrote: Just saw this on evilbay. http://cgi.ebay.com/Rivendell-Quickbeam-frameset-frame-Vintage-Cyclin... I've already got one and still I'm tempted. Someone buy this baby quick!! 68cm Quickbeam. The Stradivarius of tall single speed frames. Clifhttp://hardmenwithsoftbellies.wordpress.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Heavy good bike
Have to agree with you. None of my bikes are light by any means. But am more glad to be able to ride again than concerned about weight. Or speed. So if I'm slow, sobeit. After enjoying lots of rides on my Sam Hillborne shod with Marathon Supremes, not even sure I could go back to a skinny 32mm tire again. Definitely am not worrying about being fast. But the weight issue is still more with me than the bike. And the fact I can even ride 10+ miles into work is still surprising. Eric Platt (who would still like to lose a built up Roadeo) St. Paul, MN On Sep 29, 8:06�am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm .. �. �. enjoyable . �Just what is enjoyable anyways? � Last night I watched the National Parks series on PBS. �What it did is remind me of the insanity of a faced paced so called modern life. There must be time to just be to contemplate . �. �. . to smell the roses so to speak . We go so fast now it's difficult to digest the present moment. I suspect many readers who read this will not be able to recognize this because of the fast pace we have become accustomed to. When was the last time you were emotionally moved? . or took the time to fully embrace that moment? What's this have to do with bicycling? �Everything. We often go so fast we don't take in what we see or experience on the road. We go from point A to B in a one way trance-like state and forget all the details along the way. I used to be all about time and distance how far can I ride today? �Then I could not ride for a few yearsand really didn't know if I ever could again. I am riding again. and I appreciate riding more than I had. My strength is less than it was. maybe it will return ... maybe not . I can't say it really matters. What matters is enjoying the ride. Look around enjoy the view . smell the air. I get more out of a 30-60 minute ride than I ever did in the past. Does the weight of your bike matter? �Maybe. Maybe . because each of are where we are in life. Often it takes something that matters to make the change to something that no longer matters. All roads eventually lead home. -Garth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Holy Crapamoly. 68cm Quickbeam. $499!!
It looks like there are a few spacers in there under the headset nut, that's pretty typical of Rivendells i've seen. So yes, the steerer could probably be cut another cm shorter if you wanted to. The rear derailleur thing is just wrong though, can't work without replacing the dropouts. On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Cycletex clifwrightpho...@yahoo.com wrote: Hmmm. Seller has excellent feedback but I'm confused by the it can easily accommodate a rear and front derailleur bit. I've got a question in to him to find out more. Also the left the steer tube uncut thing is confusing. Is that ever an issue with a threaded stem? On Sep 29, 8:13 pm, Cycletex clifwrightpho...@yahoo.com wrote: Just saw this on evilbay. http://cgi.ebay.com/Rivendell-Quickbeam-frameset-frame-Vintage-Cyclin... I've already got one and still I'm tempted. Someone buy this baby quick!! 68cm Quickbeam. The Stradivarius of tall single speed frames. Clifhttp://hardmenwithsoftbellies.wordpress.com/ -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Holy Crapamoly. 68cm Quickbeam. $499!!
It can work with one of these: http://www.dmrbikes.com/?Section=productspageType=itemcategory=8CategoryName=Frame%20Partsitemid=CTMH10 There are others like it from other manufacturers too. Not that I would do that to my QB. Jim M On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: The rear derailleur thing is just wrong though, can't work without replacing the dropouts. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Holy Crapamoly. 68cm Quickbeam. $499!!
I think this is the same frame that was previously discussed here and was listed on eBay for $699. I think the owner said that he hung a rear derailler using some sort of clip that's commercially available. Much better deal at $499! Shaun Meehan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Heavy good bike
On Sep 28, 7:35 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: So this means you can go 2-5 miles further in an hour of cycling ? ;) Completely inconsequential if you're riding alone. Maybe less so if the group you're riding with is now 2 - 5 miles ahead. That makes conversation difficult and tries their patience at regroup points. Bill (who alternates between 18 pound, 22 pound and 26 pound bikes depending on terrain and company) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants, Knickers Shorts
Sorry, not a direct comparison, but the MUSAs are pretty light and sturdy. A little Spandex in them would be great, but they are good shorts! These look like a real good option, that have some Spandex: http://zoic.com/blackmarketshort Cheers On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Cycletex clifwrightpho...@yahoo.comwrote: Don't have the knickers but I wear the Musa shorts and I've got a pair of the Ex Officio pants that I'm pretty sure are the amphi's and are definitely the super flyweight nylon. The Musa's are lightweight but I wouldn't call it flyweight and the fabric is just a hair / smidgen stiffer than the Ex Officio's. Not stiff at all, but only in comparison. The Musa material has that slightly shiny nylon effect. My shorts also tend to come down in the back unless cinched up tight and pulled up when saddling up. Even then they come down in the back a bit. Still, I really like them. I wear a cutoff pair of Jonesware wool padded shorts underneath and that's a real comfy combo even for long rides. Off the bike, I wear the Musa's almost every day. Belt is fine for my use. Never thought about it much so it must be working properly. I don't think it's removable. Hope that helps some. Clif http://hardmenwithsoftbellies.wordpress.com/ On Sep 29, 12:35 pm, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: I can't compare them directly to Ex Officio but they are really lightweight nylon. Still tough, though. I use my knickers for a lot of mountain biking (including occasional falling) and they are holding up great. I also do errands in them a lot. The elastic keeps them up fine for my road riding. For mountain riding, where I stand up a lot, they tend to slip if I don't wear suspenders, but they are a size too big (they were on sale) and I imagine they would be fine in the correct size. All in all, I'm happy with them. Jim On Sep 29, 9:25 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: I'm considering trying some MUSA knickers. I've read the nylon is a lightweight weave. I've worn Ex Officio Amphi shorts/pants with the briefs cut out for many years. and the nylon there is flyweight and super supple, some feel like silk.(They vary from year to year) I'm wondering if anyone has both Amphi pants/shorts and some MUSA pants/shorts/knickers and can say if the nylon is about the same. ... or not. Is the belt good and stiff elastic, or is the cheap wimpy stuff that doesn't really hold? Is the belt removable/replaceable? -Garth -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Holy Crapamoly. 68cm Quickbeam. $499!!
I might. If I'm not mistaken, you can put a 5 speed freewheel in a 120 mm width frame. The QB is such a great-riding frame, but I'm pretty sure I like shifting gears. I've already got the shifting 3 up front. 5-speed freewheel in the back with derailleur, and then my QB is a regular derailleur bike, but a really good one, because of the country bike qualities that Grant designed into it. I know it'll ruin the concept, but I'm thinking I'll ride it more if it's a 15-speed, and then I'll really enjoy its frame geometry and clearance. -Jim -Original Message- From: Jim M. mather...@gmail.com Not that I would do that to my QB. It can work with one of these: http://www.dmrbikes.com/?Section=productspageType=itemcategory=8CategoryName=Frame%20Partsitemid=CTMH10 Not that I would do that to my QB. Jim M On Sep 29, 6:35 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: The rear derailleur thing is just wrong though, can't work without replacing the dropouts. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Extending steerer tube possible
A few weeks ago, I mentioned that I bought a like-new Bridgestone X0-1. I just purchased a new old stock fork for it, but the steerer tube is too short. Is there any way to make it work on my bike? Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: I know we're not supposed to talk about weight, but anyone Sam weight
On Sep 29, 9:23 am, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: Knowing that the Sam is not a racy bike, and it is more versatile than most anything available at your local bike shop (maybe save a LHT or Soma Stanyan), is there a weight limit that would keep a potential buyer from owning one? Hmm... I own both of the other bikes you mentioned there (the Stanyan is actually getting built as a 650b). Does this mean I don't need a Sam? ;-) (You're not talking me out of one that easily!!) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who made the hatchet sold by RBW?
Molly On Sep 29, 12:58 pm, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: What company made the small hatchet once sold by RBW? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
The fork crown is different, but the lugs look the same to me. DE On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Jason Hartman rjasonhart...@gmail.comwrote: I never really gave these frames a close look before. The colors are fine, but why the different lugs? If you are going to go through all the trouble involved with having a lugged frame made in Taiwan, the least you could do is specify lugs that match. Jay Hartman On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: We thought it might be fun to fan the flames a little bit, so we took some side-by-side photos: http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7gallery=21 Obviously the Green is a popular, judging by how quickly Rivendell sold out of a few sizes. But lately, our customers are after the Orange. My vote is for the Green, but then again it is much closer to my personal color palette my wife calls Earth Monotone. Cheers, Bryan [Disclaimer: As always, we try to be true to the actual color of the frame, but between studio lighting, digital camera, iPhotoshop-ing, and monitor calibration, your mileage may vary.] -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: I know we're not supposed to talk about weight, but anyone Sam weight
Happy Birthday! On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Sep 29, 2009, at 11:03 AM, John McMurry wrote: On Sep 29, 10:57 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Sep 29, 2009, at 9:19 AM, John McMurry wrote: On Sep 29, 9:46 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Weight is more a mental thing than a real physical factor for the recreational/touring rider. I disagree. For a recreational/touring rider who may stop and start quite often, and doesn't push for high speeds; weight matters and is a real, measurable, physical factor. I'm not suggesting gram shaving a commuter at the expense of durability. But if you're carrying around unnecessary extra pounds; they generally won't add to the enjoyment of riding a bicycle unless your ride is all downhill. I don't know about that. I have a 21 lb bike (my old race bike, with a heavier and more comfortable saddle than I used to use plus having swapped out the Campy Ergo stuff for more sensible components) and my All-Rounder which weighs in around 28 lbs with fenders, front rack, handlebar bag, generator and lights, 30+ year old Brooks Pro, etc. My speeds on the A/R aren't any slower and I enjoy riding it much more on hilly or flat rides. When comparing those two bikes, you introduce too many variables to accurately isolate only one. Not so many, really just weight. My position is the same between the bikes and arguably the Riv should be the aerodynamically worse bike. The local hills are about 350-400 feet in altitude gain, though, so it's not like I'm riding up l'Alpe-d'Huez (which I have done, and there I think the weight difference would be noticeable). Though, when your A/R handlebar bag is full with a commute load it will be slower than without it (all else equal). That's not been my experience. I should note that the bar bag is a Berthoud Mini 86, so it's about the size of the Lil Loafer just sideways on the rack. Doesn't hold that much, just enough for a brevet or century. My commuter has a Carradice Longflap and is a 3 speed, so it is a bit slower than my other bikes if for no other reason than the limited gearing choices. It weighs less than the A/R. Not that speed is your goal, and not that a minute off your commute is a big deal; my point being is that weight makes a real, measurable, physical difference. Whether that matters to you or not is a personal decision. Back when I raced speed was the primary goal on most rides. It remains a goal on brevets to a degree. But, as I get older (turned 50 today), I find I am less concerned with miles per hour than I am with smiles per hour. FYI, I'm perfectly happy, comfortable, and attain enjoyable speeds on an AHH with 42mm tires, 36 spoked wheels, fenders, bags, dynamo, etc. (even though I'm measurably faster on my 32 hole White Ind. wheelset with 30mm tires on the same bike). -not _intentionally_ poking a bee's nest Ah but when we talk within the Church of the Bicycle, there are bee's nests abounding! ;-) -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
I wish I had a reason to go to Walnut Creek to see and ride one in the flesh. (I'm having a hard time getting past the funkay geometry.) Each color is somehow nifty in its own way. On Sep 29, 9:12 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: The fork crown is different, but the lugs look the same to me. DE On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Jason Hartman rjasonhart...@gmail.comwrote: I never really gave these frames a close look before. The colors are fine, but why the different lugs? If you are going to go through all the trouble involved with having a lugged frame made in Taiwan, the least you could do is specify lugs that match. Jay Hartman On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: We thought it might be fun to fan the flames a little bit, so we took some side-by-side photos: http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7gallery=21 Obviously the Green is a popular, judging by how quickly Rivendell sold out of a few sizes. But lately, our customers are after the Orange. My vote is for the Green, but then again it is much closer to my personal color palette my wife calls Earth Monotone. Cheers, Bryan [Disclaimer: As always, we try to be true to the actual color of the frame, but between studio lighting, digital camera, iPhotoshop-ing, and monitor calibration, your mileage may vary.] -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Extending steerer tube possible
The short answer is no, and if it involves some kind of epoxy, NO! On Sep 29, 9:57 pm, Weird Harold alanpcr...@yahoo.com wrote: A few weeks ago, I mentioned that I bought a like-new Bridgestone X0-1. I just purchased a new old stock fork for it, but the steerer tube is too short. Is there any way to make it work on my bike? Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The Great Debate: Green versus Orange Sam Hillborne
I'm partial to orange, but you knew that already... :-) http://www.ecovelo.info/images/country-bike-1000.jpg a...@ecovelo On Sep 29, 4:15 pm, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: We thought it might be fun to fan the flames a little bit, so we took some side-by-side photos: http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7gallery=21 Obviously the Green is a popular, judging by how quickly Rivendell sold out of a few sizes. But lately, our customers are after the Orange. My vote is for the Green, but then again it is much closer to my personal color palette my wife calls Earth Monotone. Cheers, Bryan [Disclaimer: As always, we try to be true to the actual color of the frame, but between studio lighting, digital camera, iPhotoshop-ing, and monitor calibration, your mileage may vary.] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Extending steerer tube possible
on 9/29/09 7:57 PM, Weird Harold at alanpcr...@yahoo.com wrote: A few weeks ago, I mentioned that I bought a like-new Bridgestone X0-1. I just purchased a new old stock fork for it, but the steerer tube is too short. Is there any way to make it work on my bike? Depending upon where you live, there may be a framebuilder willing to extend it, but basically, that involves cutting it, sleeving the inside and attaching a new, longer steerer tube. If you check in the iBob archives, you'll probably find a reference to Bernie Mikkelsen doing this. Chiefly, it's a way to repair a steerer which has cracked at the threads. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Get your photos posted: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines Then I sat up, wiped the water out of my eyes, and looked at my bike, and just like that I knew it was dead -- Robert McCammon, Boy's Life --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
