[RBW] Re: Making MKS Touring Pedals greasable.
Philip, It is easier to remove the set screw than take off the dust cap, it also makes for a hole about the right size to use a needle type grease gun (see picture). http://www.flickr.com/photos/16951...@n08/4238676835/ Once you pump in enough grease the old grease will be pushed out the seal area between the pedal body and pedal axle (near the crank arm). I added a couple of notes to the above photo. Angus On Jan 4, 1:24 am, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is really cool, and I'm going to buy a couple of metric taps. I have a couple of questions, though: where does the old grease go? Does it come out the spindle side? Is it any easier to remove the set screw than it is to take the dustcap off? I saw grease fittings at the hardware store last week, and would love to put them to work somewhere. And you've reminded me to go grease my Grease Guard hubs. Philip McMinnville, Ore. On Jan 2, 7:15 pm, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: A few years ago I made the MKS touring pedals on my All-Rounder/ Atlantis greaseable. I like to re-grease these pedals if I spend a lot of time riding in the rain (they are not sealed very well), and I really don't want to disassemble them to do this. These pedals have been spinning smoothly for quite a few years now. Having a bit of time on my hands over the holidays I made a second set of MKS touring pedals greasable. I have put the photos in this flickr set. http://www.flickr.com/photos/16951...@n08/sets/72157623125403996/ I would enjoy seeing what unique things y'all do to you Rivendell's to make them more serviceable/functional/comfortable/durable. Angus P.S. You can just see in one of the photos three black zip ties on the rear side of one of the pedals. When I started riding the Quickbeam fixed I was having trouble flipping my foot into the pedal consistently, with the zip ties it works every time. :-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Making MKS Touring Pedals greasable.
Doug, If the plastic is thick enough, you might be able to drill and tap the plastic end caps. I have a set of MKS sneaker pedals with plastic dust caps, I haven't tried taking them off yet. Angus On Jan 3, 11:25 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: That's what's missing on the Grip Kings. The darn dust caps are a snap-in plastic thing. Too bad they didn't use the same caps as the touring pedals. GKs need grease too, and they don't overdo it at the factory. dougP On Jan 3, 1:37 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote: That is really quite neat. I think it'd be nice to use a silver button- cap screw but that's just aesthetics. One would think if you could buy a large quantity of dustcaps and do this you could make a bit of side cash/provide an awesome service to the community... What I'm saying is I don't have all these tools and... ;) Buy a set of dust caps and drill them out? I could be willing to pay for a few of those, too. -sv- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Riding moto for 2010
On Jan 3rd Doug Peterson wrote: The best rider is the one having the most fun. I like this...it's my moto for 2010. Thanks Doug! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
I threw in a bid on an All-Rounder that ended up in someone else's hands yesterday via Ebay. Went for a little over 600, which I thought was a great deal - but a few bucks past my limit. Hopefully someone here snatched it up, and can report on the coming build. Guess I'll upgrade my MTB conversion and wait for the next one. It's tough to find a tall-frame 26-wheel lugged steel ride, (my Trek is a 61cm, and I'm running 1.75 Pasella's) and I happen to like the feel, not that there's anything wrong with 700c or 650b... If I'm ever in the position to have a custom built, I'd be tempted to build it around 26 wheels. I know the prevailing winds whisper 700c for anything over 60cm,, but having ridden both styles, it's kind of a toss up to me. The trick is finding that elusive tall-lugged-steel frame. Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)
On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 19:26 -0800, beth h wrote: Title Nine has some very nice stuff, but is generally a massive bummer if you're a woman of size. And according to their sizing charts, I apparently qualify as a woman of size. Then they must cater primarily to stick insects. You are many things, but a woman of size ain't one of them, imho. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010
David, have you tried a foam roller? Painful but effective... Moving to higher Q cranks helped my ITB band troubles, as did lowering the saddle a little and moving it forward a bit more. The saddle adjustment came during a pro fitting which went well. If you ask them to focus on that aspect (dialing in the biomechanics of your saddle's position) and express a wish to keep the bars reasonably high, you should get a good fitting. I ended up with the bartops 1-2 cm below my saddle and it actually feels pretty natural with the new saddle location--rode that way all last season. Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of cyclotourist Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:11 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010 On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 3:37 PM, kps kshe...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 1, 4:29 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: So anybody got a list up and running??? I'm hoping to get over my IT band pain in my left leg which limits my mileage. Went to sports medicine on Thurs and they have me on a stretching strengthening regimen so will see how that works. They recommended a bike fit, but I'm kinda' relucatant to do that as they all are into the racey-bars 10cm below the saddle thing... any recommendations for SoCal fit specialists? david, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 19:26 -0800, beth h wrote: Title Nine has some very nice stuff, but is generally a massive bummer if you're a woman of size. And according to their sizing charts, I apparently qualify as a woman of size. Then they must cater primarily to stick insects. You are many things, but a woman of size ain't one of them, imho. They cater to my girlfriend, apparently. She's 5'8 135lbs-ish. I wouldn't consider her a stick insect of any kind. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
Yes, it WILL be tough to find a really tall frame for 26 wheels. (What size are you looking for?) Maybe let go of the lugged requirement to make your search a little more realistic. There are perfectly fine tig'd frames out there. Also, realize that street-ified steel mountain bikes are the new rage so you may have a harder time finding what you want. As for me, I agree that 26 is totally fine! Three of my four bikes take them. Good luck on your search. Beth -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)
Steve Palincsar wrote: On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 19:26 -0800, beth h wrote: Title Nine has some very nice stuff, but is generally a massive bummer if you're a woman of size. And according to their sizing charts, I apparently qualify as a woman of size. Then they must cater primarily to stick insects. You are many things, but a woman of size ain't one of them, imho. This is a common problem. People who look at me would mostly think I'm a normal sized woman, I'm not 'big' by anyone's standard, and I'm 5'5. But when buying cycling or athletic clothes I usually have to get XL for the bottoms (and L for most tops). Imagine, I actually have hips ...and a butt! LOL! They come in handy for working one's way through a crowd. Lynne- I don't look ethereal enough for the Title Nine catalog either. And I'd probably wouldn't be fashionably 'tweedy/rumply' enough for any Riv catalog. ;) Lisa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
Marty Are you aware that the Surly Long Haul Trucker is now available in 26- inch wheels for all sizes? I know it is not lugged, but it's a good bike that has developed a loyal following with bike tourists. I know several folks with the LHT here in town and have met many, many others on tours and they've all been very happy with their bikes. The 60 and 62cm frames (or complete bikes) designed for 26-inch wheels can be ordered by any bike shop. Dave On Jan 4, 4:45 am, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: I threw in a bid on an All-Rounder that ended up in someone else's hands yesterday via Ebay. Went for a little over 600, which I thought was a great deal - but a few bucks past my limit. Hopefully someone here snatched it up, and can report on the coming build. Guess I'll upgrade my MTB conversion and wait for the next one. It's tough to find a tall-frame 26-wheel lugged steel ride, (my Trek is a 61cm, and I'm running 1.75 Pasella's) and I happen to like the feel, not that there's anything wrong with 700c or 650b... If I'm ever in the position to have a custom built, I'd be tempted to build it around 26 wheels. I know the prevailing winds whisper 700c for anything over 60cm,, but having ridden both styles, it's kind of a toss up to me. The trick is finding that elusive tall-lugged-steel frame. Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
Thanks Dave, I did not know of the LHT option - and it looks nice - but I'm kind of devoted to lugged frames. I've had a few MTB conversions over the years, and my current Trek may be as close as I'll ever get. Beth, ideally I would end up with a 62 or so, but the 61 I have will fit the bill until I can go custom. Of course, If I run into a 61 Riv All Rounder, I wouldn't complain. Marty On Jan 4, 9:47 am, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Marty Are you aware that the Surly Long Haul Trucker is now available in 26- inch wheels for all sizes? I know it is not lugged, but it's a good bike that has developed a loyal following with bike tourists. I know several folks with the LHT here in town and have met many, many others on tours and they've all been very happy with their bikes. The 60 and 62cm frames (or complete bikes) designed for 26-inch wheels can be ordered by any bike shop. Dave On Jan 4, 4:45 am, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: I threw in a bid on an All-Rounder that ended up in someone else's hands yesterday via Ebay. Went for a little over 600, which I thought was a great deal - but a few bucks past my limit. Hopefully someone here snatched it up, and can report on the coming build. Guess I'll upgrade my MTB conversion and wait for the next one. It's tough to find a tall-frame 26-wheel lugged steel ride, (my Trek is a 61cm, and I'm running 1.75 Pasella's) and I happen to like the feel, not that there's anything wrong with 700c or 650b... If I'm ever in the position to have a custom built, I'd be tempted to build it around 26 wheels. I know the prevailing winds whisper 700c for anything over 60cm,, but having ridden both styles, it's kind of a toss up to me. The trick is finding that elusive tall-lugged-steel frame. Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)
This is not just a problem for women. I am 6'1 and am just over 200lbs. There are a couple of clothing lines whose 2xl is not large enough for me. Who are they kidding. I haven't been following this thread so this may have been brought up already but my wife has had good luck with Terry for clothes. She can either wear their XL or their 1X and they tend to have a reasonable selection in their plus sized line. Larry Powers Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:46:58 -0500 From: harmo...@fairpoint.net To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me) Steve Palincsar wrote: On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 19:26 -0800, beth h wrote: Title Nine has some very nice stuff, but is generally a massive bummer if you're a woman of size. And according to their sizing charts, I apparently qualify as a woman of size. Then they must cater primarily to stick insects. You are many things, but a woman of size ain't one of them, imho. This is a common problem. People who look at me would mostly think I'm a normal sized woman, I'm not 'big' by anyone's standard, and I'm 5'5. But when buying cycling or athletic clothes I usually have to get XL for the bottoms (and L for most tops). Imagine, I actually have hips ...and a butt! LOL! They come in handy for working one's way through a crowd. Lynne- I don't look ethereal enough for the Title Nine catalog either. And I'd probably wouldn't be fashionably 'tweedy/rumply' enough for any Riv catalog. ;) Lisa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: I threw in a bid on an All-Rounder that ended up in someone else's hands yesterday via Ebay. Went for a little over 600, which I thought was a great deal - but a few bucks past my limit. Hopefully someone here snatched it up, and can report on the coming build. Guess I'll upgrade my MTB conversion and wait for the next one. It's tough to find a tall-frame 26-wheel lugged steel ride, (my Trek is a 61cm, and I'm running 1.75 Pasella's) and I happen to like the feel, not that there's anything wrong with 700c or 650b... If I'm ever in the position to have a custom built, I'd be tempted to build it around 26 wheels. I know the prevailing winds whisper 700c for anything over 60cm,, but having ridden both styles, it's kind of a toss up to me. The trick is finding that elusive tall-lugged-steel frame. List member Tim M will probably chime in soon - he has a 64 (62?) cm All-Rounder with 26 wheels, and he's waxed enthusiastic about it on the list many times. It's a beautiful bike, and that model is probably your best bet for what you're looking for w/o going custom. Good luck! -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
Pretty sure Tim's AR is a 59. Tim is about 6'4, but that was apparently the Riv-recommended size for him back in 1996 (now he'd probably be on a 64 or so). In any case, Tim used his AR for many brevets because it is comfortable to ride. On Jan 4, 9:28 am, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: I threw in a bid on an All-Rounder that ended up in someone else's hands yesterday via Ebay. Went for a little over 600, which I thought was a great deal - but a few bucks past my limit. Hopefully someone here snatched it up, and can report on the coming build. Guess I'll upgrade my MTB conversion and wait for the next one. It's tough to find a tall-frame 26-wheel lugged steel ride, (my Trek is a 61cm, and I'm running 1.75 Pasella's) and I happen to like the feel, not that there's anything wrong with 700c or 650b... If I'm ever in the position to have a custom built, I'd be tempted to build it around 26 wheels. I know the prevailing winds whisper 700c for anything over 60cm,, but having ridden both styles, it's kind of a toss up to me. The trick is finding that elusive tall-lugged-steel frame. List member Tim M will probably chime in soon - he has a 64 (62?) cm All-Rounder with 26 wheels, and he's waxed enthusiastic about it on the list many times. It's a beautiful bike, and that model is probably your best bet for what you're looking for w/o going custom. Good luck! -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
One curious phenomenon is that Atlantis frames in size 58 (700c) outsold those in size 56 (26) by a large multiple. I often got the impression that folks exaggerated their PBH measurements because of some apprehension about 26 wheels. After I had my Atlantis for a couple years, I found myself wishing for the improved clearances of 26 wheels. My custom tourer/all-rounder is basically a 58 Atlantis with 26 wheels. Apparently Surly saw the benefits of 26 wheeled touring bikes, too. On Jan 4, 9:43 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Pretty sure Tim's AR is a 59. Tim is about 6'4, but that was apparently the Riv-recommended size for him back in 1996 (now he'd probably be on a 64 or so). In any case, Tim used his AR for many brevets because it is comfortable to ride. On Jan 4, 9:28 am, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: I threw in a bid on an All-Rounder that ended up in someone else's hands yesterday via Ebay. Went for a little over 600, which I thought was a great deal - but a few bucks past my limit. Hopefully someone here snatched it up, and can report on the coming build. Guess I'll upgrade my MTB conversion and wait for the next one. It's tough to find a tall-frame 26-wheel lugged steel ride, (my Trek is a 61cm, and I'm running 1.75 Pasella's) and I happen to like the feel, not that there's anything wrong with 700c or 650b... If I'm ever in the position to have a custom built, I'd be tempted to build it around 26 wheels. I know the prevailing winds whisper 700c for anything over 60cm,, but having ridden both styles, it's kind of a toss up to me. The trick is finding that elusive tall-lugged-steel frame. List member Tim M will probably chime in soon - he has a 64 (62?) cm All-Rounder with 26 wheels, and he's waxed enthusiastic about it on the list many times. It's a beautiful bike, and that model is probably your best bet for what you're looking for w/o going custom. Good luck! -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: San Francisco to Pt. Reyes - Riv/Kogswell/Pelican/Ebisu? ride
Looks like a great day. What make is the saddlebag on the Kogswell? Looks interesting...rear loader? Dave Santa Maria, Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Hub Generator Lights
I have a Busch Muller DLumotec Oval Plus led light (55cm wire) and a Schmidt E6-Z secondary (80cm wire) with 2 spare 3 watt bulbs. No brackets included. About a $195 total retail for all, but will sell seperately, make offer? Steve / Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)
+1 from me, too, on Ibex. i wear a few of the Ibex wool tops (the shak hoody, the wool long-sleeved t), and i find Ibex to wear better than Smartwool (i have one of their zip wool sweaters, and while it's nice, the wool isn't as soft and it pills up). i gave my father the upper/lower Ibex woolies for Christmas (he's always worn patagonia capilene when outside in the cold), and i'm hoping he'll like the Ibex as much as I do. i've found, as an additional layer, the patagonia down 'sweater' vest (800 instead of 650, but very light in weight and not bulky) to be nice. i have lived in mine since getting it this holiday season. though they're not quite a 4-season piece, i LOVE the Gamut capri from Arcteryx. i stumbled across them when Backcountry.com was having a sale. they run small (i'm normally a 6, i bought 8s), but they're made of canvas and they're supremely comfortable. i liked them so much i bought FOUR pair. i don't think they were made specifically for biking, but they're super. they have a gussetted crotch and a soft lining at the waist. they don't bind as you rid. i paid list for one and got all the others for under $30 a pair. maybe i'm the only woman who loves them. G i tried buying the Gamut pant, too. too big in the leg, and i didn't like the Gamut shorts either (too wide in the leg--almost like a skort, and too short for my taste in shorts), but the capri was spot on for me. nice Riv'ish colors, too (slate blue and dark green). highly recommend them. i've been thinking i might try the new Outlier women's daily riding pant, but it might be tricky figuring out the sizing on that pant. whatever i order will probably be too small. ;) www.outlier.cc thanks to beth for the link to swrve, and anne for the wool knicker link at team estrogen. oh, and i have often thought of trying something at SWOBO, but haven't yet. maybe soon. Kip--here's to your wife finding just the right attire. -kim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)
one more piece i forgot to mention, and it's not specific to women. i highly recommend the new merino wool Buff. i have one and i gave one to my friend who spends hours walking her golden retriver, and she loves it too. gave one to my boyfriend and he loves it too. it's longer than the regular buff, and it's roomier, too. perfect for pulling up over your mouth/nose while riding. i wear one all the time. it drapes nicely when used as a neck gaiter. washes well, doesn't shrink, doesn't stink, etc. i think Rivendell should carry the wool Buffs. ;-) -k -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: One curious phenomenon is that Atlantis frames in size 58 (700c) outsold those in size 56 (26) by a large multiple. I often got the impression that folks exaggerated their PBH measurements because of some apprehension about 26 wheels. After I had my Atlantis for a couple years, I found myself wishing for the improved clearances of 26 wheels. My custom tourer/all-rounder is basically a 58 Atlantis with 26 wheels. Apparently Surly saw the benefits of 26 wheeled touring bikes, too. I've seen this too, to the extreme of a 5'2 rider refusing to buy a road bike with anything but 700c wheels, with the idea that they wouldn't be able to keep up on group rides if they used smaller wheels (never mind that the gearing could easily be made the same). There is a lot of value in trying different sizes for different applications (i ride 64cm frames and have bikes of 3 different wheel sizes), but in some cases the compromises involved get pretty questionable, and in some cases it's downright unsafe. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Riding moto for 2010
on 1/4/10 3:32 AM, Angus at angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: The best rider is the one having the most fun. The cool rider waves first -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riding moto for 2010
A true keeper. Like much of the wit and wisdom of Doug! -esteban On Jan 4, 3:32 am, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On Jan 3rd Doug Peterson wrote: The best rider is the one having the most fun. I like this...it's my moto for 2010. Thanks Doug! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
Did not realize people were doing that. Somewhat odd, all things considered. There are many quality 26 rims available for nearly every type of riding. With some skinny race tires excepted, most decent tires out there have a perfectly acceptable 26 variant. And who buys an Atlantis or similar bike with skinny race tires in mind? On Jan 4, 9:57 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: One curious phenomenon is that Atlantis frames in size 58 (700c) outsold those in size 56 (26) by a large multiple. I often got the impression that folks exaggerated their PBH measurements because of some apprehension about 26 wheels. After I had my Atlantis for a couple years, I found myself wishing for the improved clearances of 26 wheels. My custom tourer/all-rounder is basically a 58 Atlantis with 26 wheels. Apparently Surly saw the benefits of 26 wheeled touring bikes, too. On Jan 4, 9:43 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Pretty sure Tim's AR is a 59. Tim is about 6'4, but that was apparently the Riv-recommended size for him back in 1996 (now he'd probably be on a 64 or so). In any case, Tim used his AR for many brevets because it is comfortable to ride. On Jan 4, 9:28 am, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: I threw in a bid on an All-Rounder that ended up in someone else's hands yesterday via Ebay. Went for a little over 600, which I thought was a great deal - but a few bucks past my limit. Hopefully someone here snatched it up, and can report on the coming build. Guess I'll upgrade my MTB conversion and wait for the next one. It's tough to find a tall-frame 26-wheel lugged steel ride, (my Trek is a 61cm, and I'm running 1.75 Pasella's) and I happen to like the feel, not that there's anything wrong with 700c or 650b... If I'm ever in the position to have a custom built, I'd be tempted to build it around 26 wheels. I know the prevailing winds whisper 700c for anything over 60cm,, but having ridden both styles, it's kind of a toss up to me. The trick is finding that elusive tall-lugged-steel frame. List member Tim M will probably chime in soon - he has a 64 (62?) cm All-Rounder with 26 wheels, and he's waxed enthusiastic about it on the list many times. It's a beautiful bike, and that model is probably your best bet for what you're looking for w/o going custom. Good luck! -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Mud Flap Girl
Cabello's sells a light rifle rack for ATV's which can be easily modified to fit on the side of the larger Nitto racks. The rack must be mounted very far forward to avoid pedal strikes. GeorgeS On Jan 3, 10:22 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Jan 2, 2010, at 11:02 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Naked *and* reflective: how tasteful! Patrick where can I find a rifle rack for my Rivendell? Moore This'll git 'r done: http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/nitto-platrack/20-203 It's not specifically a gun rack but could be easily converted. Also: You Might Be a Redneck If... Your Bicycle Has a Gun Rack by Jeff Foxworthy: http://www.thefoxworthystore.com/index.php? main_page=product_infoproducts_id=176 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010
Hi Steve, the roller was recommended, so it's on my list of to-dos (two=dos, ha!). I'm thinking I'll get out to the recommended local fit guy. $275 might be a good investment not just for ITB but for general fit. I'm sure my form is pretty sloppy... THANKS! On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:58 AM, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.eduwrote: David, have you tried a foam roller? Painful but effective... Moving to higher Q cranks helped my ITB band troubles, as did lowering the saddle a little and moving it forward a bit more. The saddle adjustment came during a pro fitting which went well. If you ask them to focus on that aspect (dialing in the biomechanics of your saddle's position) and express a wish to keep the bars reasonably high, you should get a good fitting. I ended up with the bartops 1-2 cm below my saddle and it actually feels pretty natural with the new saddle location--rode that way all last season. Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI -Original Message- *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]*on Behalf Of *cyclotourist *Sent:* Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:11 AM *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [RBW] Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010 On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 3:37 PM, kps kshe...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 1, 4:29 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: So anybody got a list up and running??? I'm hoping to get over my IT band pain in my left leg which limits my mileage. Went to sports medicine on Thurs and they have me on a stretching strengthening regimen so will see how that works. They recommended a bike fit, but I'm kinda' relucatant to do that as they all are into the racey-bars 10cm below the saddle thing... any recommendations for SoCal fit specialists? david, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Rivish Ride New Orleans Jazz and Heritage
I live in walking distance to the Fairgrounds and would be up for a ride. Are you interested in a post-Katrina tour or exercise? GeorgeS On Jan 3, 11:03 am, J. Burkhalter burk...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey David, I hope to make it down for the second weekend (thurs-sun) and would be up for a ride. Keep us posted... -Jay B Denver, CO On Jan 3, 11:14 am, carnerda...@bellsouth.net carnerda...@bellsouth.net wrote: Last spring there were several list members in NOLA for the Jazz and Heritage Festival. There was some interest (maybe only me?) in a Rivish ride at the time of the 2010 event. This year the dates are April 23 through May 2. Anyone planning to attend and interested in a group ride? More information at the link below.http://www.nojazzfest.com/ Disclaimer: I have no connection with anyone involved with the festival David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Ride Report - SoCal Contingent on the Pt Reyes Loop
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:24 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote: Hey there - As Esteban mentioned in another thread, we coalesced into a SF/SoCal Riv Riders group on Saturday and headed out in search of pizza, pastries, strong coffee, good roads and great company. In my estimation, we were successful on all counts - Writeup here: http://ramblings.cyclofiend.com/?p=410 Photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/sets/72157623002106707/ There are links in both places to others' photos from the day. It was a great way to begin the year! - Jim whew, I'm tired today... That counts as Epic! I didn't notice Aaron in the other pix, but good to know he was there. Bummer about the tire :-( For the record, my SoCal based AR is sporting some wheelbrowshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4212314976/ ! -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
At my age (53) I'm planning to ride for another 30 years or so (knock on wood), but with age comes shrinkage, (I know, lots of debate on this, but I've lost 1/2 - 3/4 inch since 40 - FYI - Clint Eastwood has gone from 6'4 to 6'1) so I want to be sure the investment in a custom will pay me back in the long run. Another consideration is the on/off leg swing, which maybe should have me thinking Mixte, but I'll likely go for a lower top tube and hope to have the flexibility to get over it so to speak. Agree that the options for nice-smooth-fast 26 wheels are out there, but I'm not trying to keep up with anyone but me on most rides anyway. Also, I'm not too put-off by the look of 26 wheels on a taller frame, which seems to be more of an issue than actual performance to some. marty On Jan 4, 11:22 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Did not realize people were doing that. Somewhat odd, all things considered. There are many quality 26 rims available for nearly every type of riding. With some skinny race tires excepted, most decent tires out there have a perfectly acceptable 26 variant. And who buys an Atlantis or similar bike with skinny race tires in mind? On Jan 4, 9:57 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: One curious phenomenon is that Atlantis frames in size 58 (700c) outsold those in size 56 (26) by a large multiple. I often got the impression that folks exaggerated their PBH measurements because of some apprehension about 26 wheels. After I had my Atlantis for a couple years, I found myself wishing for the improved clearances of 26 wheels. My custom tourer/all-rounder is basically a 58 Atlantis with 26 wheels. Apparently Surly saw the benefits of 26 wheeled touring bikes, too. On Jan 4, 9:43 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Pretty sure Tim's AR is a 59. Tim is about 6'4, but that was apparently the Riv-recommended size for him back in 1996 (now he'd probably be on a 64 or so). In any case, Tim used his AR for many brevets because it is comfortable to ride. On Jan 4, 9:28 am, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: I threw in a bid on an All-Rounder that ended up in someone else's hands yesterday via Ebay. Went for a little over 600, which I thought was a great deal - but a few bucks past my limit. Hopefully someone here snatched it up, and can report on the coming build. Guess I'll upgrade my MTB conversion and wait for the next one. It's tough to find a tall-frame 26-wheel lugged steel ride, (my Trek is a 61cm, and I'm running 1.75 Pasella's) and I happen to like the feel, not that there's anything wrong with 700c or 650b... If I'm ever in the position to have a custom built, I'd be tempted to build it around 26 wheels. I know the prevailing winds whisper 700c for anything over 60cm,, but having ridden both styles, it's kind of a toss up to me. The trick is finding that elusive tall-lugged-steel frame. List member Tim M will probably chime in soon - he has a 64 (62?) cm All-Rounder with 26 wheels, and he's waxed enthusiastic about it on the list many times. It's a beautiful bike, and that model is probably your best bet for what you're looking for w/o going custom. Good luck! -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010
Related, perhaps, knees-and-cycling question. In the last year or so my riding area has changed and I spend more time on shorter, steeper hills instead of long, gradual climbs. Since I ride fixed gears, this means I have been learning and adapting physiologically and mentally to standing for longish distances: half a mile is very common, and there are 1 mile sections that I encounter. During yesterday's 20 miler I stood for (I measured it on the computer) a total of four miles largely in 1/2 mile increments. 66 gear but a heavy, heavy-wheeled bike. Other bikes at 69 and 70 or 75, but much lighter with much lighter wheels. Sometimes, as yesterday, climbs coincide with loads and headwinds. I know that pushing the 75 gear seated for the 7 miles of gradual climbing from the RG valley to Juan Tabo would result in left knee twinges the next day, especially if cold; 69 and 66 gears not a problem. And standing does not seem to cause problems, whence my desire to develop my standing ability. And here's the question: does anyone have any medical information, as opposed to speculation, about standing and pedalling? Is this any worse for your knees than a stair stepper? Thanks. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 9:47 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: One thing I don't do/ever really do is run, so luckily my knees aren't too beat up. The flip side is I don't get the bone-building benefits of running, so I probably have brittle frail bird-like bones. My Doc said cortisone would be a temp fix. There are cortisone patches that you can use also. He explained that it doesn't prevent further injury though, just kinda' masks the pain at the moment. Long/short: hope you get some relief. You're also closer to Boulder, so maybe a trip up to Pruitt could be beneficial. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 7:53 PM, tarik saleh tariksa...@gmail.com wrote: David, please report back! My recent knee glitch culminated in me going to the doctor finally after years of little troubles. What I assumed was 4 years of ignorance of a tear/lack of cartilidge/and or arthritis in my knee due to lots and lots and lots of running when I was younger turned out to merely be some bursitus under my IT band. This was post x-ray and MRI by a really good somewhat local orthopedist. Based on my symptoms and my brothers diagnosis of no padding left in his knee (he has the same running history and similar wonky biomechanics as me, 4 years of Div3 intercollegiate XC and indoor/outdoor track, 70 mile weeks for half the year) I was pretty sure I was going to get the you need surgery or the no more running diagnosis. Instead, I got the no restrictions unless it hurts alot, and stretch diagnosis. Which was like second Christmas. I have tried the foam roller, it hurts me too much to use, I think that is because my IT band is so tight. So I will just try stretching and easing into it and see It does not really ever give me trouble riding. Only if my saddle is too low. But it does give me some post running pain and weak/buckling feeling sometimes. Anyhow, let me know, I will see. The doc also advised that he has seen cortisteroid shots clear this up permanently, but I am going to save that for when I really need it! Later Tarik On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 8:39 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: These are the resources that have been mentioned off list. I thought I would publicly catalog them in one place in case someone else is having similar problems (and was too shy to speak up!) or has other suggestions. THANKS! Local chiropractor/bike fit: http://www.bodyfix.net/ Orthotics: http://www.aline.com/sports/aline-cycle Not so local bike fit: http://bch.org/sportsmedicine/bio-andy-pruitt.aspx Other (foam rolling): http://sportsmedicine.about.com/od/flexibilityandstretching/ss/FoamRoller_5.htm Also the basics of stretching, lowering the saddle and widening the Q were reiterated. Will report back! :-) -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Tarik Saleh tas at tariksaleh dot com in los alamos, po box 208, 87544 http://tariksaleh.com all sorts of bikes blog:
Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010
I ought to add: 170 mm cranks, about the conventional choice for my leg length. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Related, perhaps, knees-and-cycling question. In the last year or so my riding area has changed and I spend more time on shorter, steeper hills instead of long, gradual climbs. Since I ride fixed gears, this means I have been learning and adapting physiologically and mentally to standing for longish distances: half a mile is very common, and there are 1 mile sections that I encounter. During yesterday's 20 miler I stood for (I measured it on the computer) a total of four miles largely in 1/2 mile increments. 66 gear but a heavy, heavy-wheeled bike. Other bikes at 69 and 70 or 75, but much lighter with much lighter wheels. Sometimes, as yesterday, climbs coincide with loads and headwinds. I know that pushing the 75 gear seated for the 7 miles of gradual climbing from the RG valley to Juan Tabo would result in left knee twinges the next day, especially if cold; 69 and 66 gears not a problem. And standing does not seem to cause problems, whence my desire to develop my standing ability. And here's the question: does anyone have any medical information, as opposed to speculation, about standing and pedalling? Is this any worse for your knees than a stair stepper? Thanks. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 9:47 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: One thing I don't do/ever really do is run, so luckily my knees aren't too beat up. The flip side is I don't get the bone-building benefits of running, so I probably have brittle frail bird-like bones. My Doc said cortisone would be a temp fix. There are cortisone patches that you can use also. He explained that it doesn't prevent further injury though, just kinda' masks the pain at the moment. Long/short: hope you get some relief. You're also closer to Boulder, so maybe a trip up to Pruitt could be beneficial. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 7:53 PM, tarik saleh tariksa...@gmail.com wrote: David, please report back! My recent knee glitch culminated in me going to the doctor finally after years of little troubles. What I assumed was 4 years of ignorance of a tear/lack of cartilidge/and or arthritis in my knee due to lots and lots and lots of running when I was younger turned out to merely be some bursitus under my IT band. This was post x-ray and MRI by a really good somewhat local orthopedist. Based on my symptoms and my brothers diagnosis of no padding left in his knee (he has the same running history and similar wonky biomechanics as me, 4 years of Div3 intercollegiate XC and indoor/outdoor track, 70 mile weeks for half the year) I was pretty sure I was going to get the you need surgery or the no more running diagnosis. Instead, I got the no restrictions unless it hurts alot, and stretch diagnosis. Which was like second Christmas. I have tried the foam roller, it hurts me too much to use, I think that is because my IT band is so tight. So I will just try stretching and easing into it and see It does not really ever give me trouble riding. Only if my saddle is too low. But it does give me some post running pain and weak/buckling feeling sometimes. Anyhow, let me know, I will see. The doc also advised that he has seen cortisteroid shots clear this up permanently, but I am going to save that for when I really need it! Later Tarik On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 8:39 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: These are the resources that have been mentioned off list. I thought I would publicly catalog them in one place in case someone else is having similar problems (and was too shy to speak up!) or has other suggestions. THANKS! Local chiropractor/bike fit: http://www.bodyfix.net/ Orthotics: http://www.aline.com/sports/aline-cycle Not so local bike fit: http://bch.org/sportsmedicine/bio-andy-pruitt.aspx Other (foam rolling): http://sportsmedicine.about.com/od/flexibilityandstretching/ss/FoamRoller_5.htm Also the basics of stretching, lowering the saddle and widening the Q were reiterated. Will report back! :-) -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at
Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010
Two more essential comments: one, no I don't want to use multiple gears and, two, I **love** fixed gear climbing, really! Certainly better than slogging angrily on the flats or spinning vainly and despairingly downhill. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Related, perhaps, knees-and-cycling question. In the last year or so my riding area has changed and I spend more time on shorter, steeper hills instead of long, gradual climbs. Since I ride fixed gears, this means I have been learning and adapting physiologically and mentally to standing for longish distances: half a mile is very common, and there are 1 mile sections that I encounter. During yesterday's 20 miler I stood for (I measured it on the computer) a total of four miles largely in 1/2 mile increments. 66 gear but a heavy, heavy-wheeled bike. Other bikes at 69 and 70 or 75, but much lighter with much lighter wheels. Sometimes, as yesterday, climbs coincide with loads and headwinds. I know that pushing the 75 gear seated for the 7 miles of gradual climbing from the RG valley to Juan Tabo would result in left knee twinges the next day, especially if cold; 69 and 66 gears not a problem. And standing does not seem to cause problems, whence my desire to develop my standing ability. And here's the question: does anyone have any medical information, as opposed to speculation, about standing and pedalling? Is this any worse for your knees than a stair stepper? Thanks. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 9:47 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: One thing I don't do/ever really do is run, so luckily my knees aren't too beat up. The flip side is I don't get the bone-building benefits of running, so I probably have brittle frail bird-like bones. My Doc said cortisone would be a temp fix. There are cortisone patches that you can use also. He explained that it doesn't prevent further injury though, just kinda' masks the pain at the moment. Long/short: hope you get some relief. You're also closer to Boulder, so maybe a trip up to Pruitt could be beneficial. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 7:53 PM, tarik saleh tariksa...@gmail.com wrote: David, please report back! My recent knee glitch culminated in me going to the doctor finally after years of little troubles. What I assumed was 4 years of ignorance of a tear/lack of cartilidge/and or arthritis in my knee due to lots and lots and lots of running when I was younger turned out to merely be some bursitus under my IT band. This was post x-ray and MRI by a really good somewhat local orthopedist. Based on my symptoms and my brothers diagnosis of no padding left in his knee (he has the same running history and similar wonky biomechanics as me, 4 years of Div3 intercollegiate XC and indoor/outdoor track, 70 mile weeks for half the year) I was pretty sure I was going to get the you need surgery or the no more running diagnosis. Instead, I got the no restrictions unless it hurts alot, and stretch diagnosis. Which was like second Christmas. I have tried the foam roller, it hurts me too much to use, I think that is because my IT band is so tight. So I will just try stretching and easing into it and see It does not really ever give me trouble riding. Only if my saddle is too low. But it does give me some post running pain and weak/buckling feeling sometimes. Anyhow, let me know, I will see. The doc also advised that he has seen cortisteroid shots clear this up permanently, but I am going to save that for when I really need it! Later Tarik On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 8:39 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: These are the resources that have been mentioned off list. I thought I would publicly catalog them in one place in case someone else is having similar problems (and was too shy to speak up!) or has other suggestions. THANKS! Local chiropractor/bike fit: http://www.bodyfix.net/ Orthotics: http://www.aline.com/sports/aline-cycle Not so local bike fit: http://bch.org/sportsmedicine/bio-andy-pruitt.aspx Other (foam rolling): http://sportsmedicine.about.com/od/flexibilityandstretching/ss/FoamRoller_5.htm Also the basics of stretching, lowering the saddle and widening the Q were reiterated. Will report back! :-) -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
[RBW] Blue cloth tape/black twine finish on silver QB
Hey, Folks: Steve F's recent search for bar tape that matches the silver QB's blue decals prompted me to post these pictures of my QB. http://www.flickr.com/photos/45341...@n04/ The tape is the dark blue, cotton stuff that RBW sells, coated with 5 or so coats of clear shellac. Also, I love the twine finish on shellac'd bars, but brown doesn't aways work with the color scheme. I'd never seen other colors of twine on bars, so I thought I'd post my results in case anyone else is interested here. I found black hemp twine at a local craft store when I was building my Bombadil. That twine faded over time to a worn looking brown/black. For the QB, I used a black, permanent marker to dye the twine before I shellac'd it. Months later, the twine is still jet black. Note - I colored the twine AFTER I had lashed it to the bars! Happy New Year to all! Dave -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:22 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: With some skinny race tires excepted, most decent tires out there have a perfectly acceptable 26 variant. And who buys an Atlantis or similar bike with skinny race tires in mind? The great gap in 559 and 571 tires is in the high quality 25-30 mm range. Will someone please, puh-lze make a Grand Bois in a 559X28? There are many utility tires -- City Slicker type; the Pasela comes closer to a supple tire, but it's not really a top quality riding tire, in my experience with it. And there are a few 26X1 tires -- Conti makes one. I use old stock 26X1 Turbos because of the casing quality, but I do wish they were at least 4 mm wider than the 22 mm they measure on my rims. FWIW, I just swapped out the rear Turbo after 1700 miles; very thin but no increase in punctures yet. The front of course is good for 3000 easily, unless I rotate it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2010
I haven't yet; perhaps it's an unhealthy mixture of pride and naivete that makes me think of doing it. I've never ridden the crest route, and I know it is much steeper than Tramway, but i have done Tramway in a 75 gear, albeit with a nice tailwind. 70 is easy enough. So, I thought gearing down 20% might get me, if painfully and slowly, up to the crest. Anyone familiar with this climb, please chime in with comments -- perhaps I need to change the ring out, too to, say, a 42. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:00 PM, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote: Dude are you riding up the Sandia's in a 56 inch gear? Wow my knees are weeping just thinking about that! impressive. Ryan give me a granny gear Surface On Jan 2, 7:27 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: 1. Slow the **#$# down! Now that it is cold, I find that I must force myself to go slowly (~15 mph) for the first 10 miles, otherwise I feel miserable and hate riding. To extend this pattern so that riding becomes less of a competition with self. 2. Keep bike miles (75% commuting type riding -- tho' I work at home) at least as high as what I put on either of my cars (have part custody of busy 8-year-old daughter and run all errands for 86 year old mother). The new DN72 on the Motobecane and the soon to come, I hope, SON20R for the Riv commuter should make this easier. 3. Some longer rides, starting, I hope, with another mass communal NM iBob ride here in Albuquerque, once it warms up a bit; perhaps in the mountains. 4. When my new 17/20 Dingle arrives, try riding to The Peak. (46X20X24.5 571 wheel = 56, Riv gofast). 5. Just maybe, join a northern NM organized tour. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What did you do in 2009?
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Frankwurst fbr...@jwperry.com wrote: I started that program about 9 years ago and haven't looked back. People seem to think I ride a bike to stay healthy. I can't seem to convey the message I ride a bike because I like riding a bike. Amen! The only *real* reason to ride a bike! Thanks for saying that. I am working on slowing down, too and, correlatively, going longer. Patrick Health: bah! Environment: meh! Saving money: psshaw! Moore -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 10:51 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:22 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: With some skinny race tires excepted, most decent tires out there have a perfectly acceptable 26 variant. And who buys an Atlantis or similar bike with skinny race tires in mind? The great gap in 559 and 571 tires is in the high quality 25-30 mm range. Will someone please, puh-lze make a Grand Bois in a 559X28? It'll never happen. 559 is not a size I has any interest in. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010
On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 10:43 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Two more essential comments: one, no I don't want to use multiple gears and, two, I **love** fixed gear climbing, really! Certainly better than slogging angrily on the flats or spinning vainly and despairingly downhill. Those, I take it, are the three choices riding fixed offers you? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Will someone please, puh-lze make a Grand Bois in a 559X28? It'll never happen. 559 is not a size I has any interest in. There's your natural cynicism and misanthropy coming out again, Steve. The tooth fairy told me she was bringing me some 558X28 GBs (when she brings my next set of dentures). Who is I and why is his er her er its opinion on the subject or role in the matter of any importance? -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 10:43 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Two more essential comments: one, no I don't want to use multiple gears and, two, I **love** fixed gear climbing, really! Certainly better than slogging angrily on the flats or spinning vainly and despairingly downhill. Those, I take it, are the three choices riding fixed offers you? No, there's slogging angrily uphill and spinning despairingly on the flats and standing on downhills. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010
On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 11:08 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 10:43 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Two more essential comments: one, no I don't want to use multiple gears and, two, I **love** fixed gear climbing, really! Certainly better than slogging angrily on the flats or spinning vainly and despairingly downhill. Those, I take it, are the three choices riding fixed offers you? No, there's slogging angrily uphill and spinning despairingly on the flats and standing on downhills. I didn't think standing on downhills was possible on fixed gears. Funny there's no happy choice. I guess fixed is a recipe for sadness and misery. At least, when confronted with a steep enough hill you get to shift into your twenty four inch gear [i.e., two feet]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:08, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 10:43 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Two more essential comments: one, no I don't want to use multiple gears and, two, I **love** fixed gear climbing, really! Certainly better than slogging angrily on the flats or spinning vainly and despairingly downhill. Those, I take it, are the three choices riding fixed offers you? No, there's slogging angrily uphill and spinning despairingly on the flats and standing on downhills. You're making an excellent case for the profound, slogging-based pleasures of the fixed gear. James Black -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Goals for 2010
On Jan 1, 4:29 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: So anybody got a list up and running??? my goals for 2010: 1. enjoy my days, regardless of what they bring, work-wise or other- wise. 2. leave the car parked in the drive, even more than i did in 2009 3. do a century ride, as all my rides in 2009 were shorter 4. do my first S240 ride, and then another one 5. eat good food, drink good wine and coffee, drink more water 6. spend more time with family and friends, cause life is short 7. figure out how to sleep past 3 a.m. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 11:06 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Will someone please, puh-lze make a Grand Bois in a 559X28? It'll never happen. 559 is not a size I has any interest in. There's your natural cynicism and misanthropy coming out again, Steve. The tooth fairy told me she was bringing me some 558X28 GBs (when she brings my next set of dentures). The Tooth Fairy doesn't bring you teeth, she comes to take them away. Who is I and why is his er her er its opinion on the subject or role in the matter of any importance? I is the proprietor of Grand Bois, who got into the tire business (and the handlebar business) because he couldn't get the tires (and other appropriate, classic looking parts) he wanted for his Grand Bois bicycles -- which are very classical and AFAIK don't come with 559 wheels. http://www.cyclesgrandbois.com/ Everything Grand Bois exists because I is interested. I think it's about as far as you can get from market driven. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010
I think Adam A. is showing what you do on the downhills... (guy in front/left): http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/4243451052/ On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:20 AM, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:08, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 10:43 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Two more essential comments: one, no I don't want to use multiple gears and, two, I **love** fixed gear climbing, really! Certainly better than slogging angrily on the flats or spinning vainly and despairingly downhill. Those, I take it, are the three choices riding fixed offers you? No, there's slogging angrily uphill and spinning despairingly on the flats and standing on downhills. You're making an excellent case for the profound, slogging-based pleasures of the fixed gear. James Black -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:58 AM, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: David, have you tried a foam roller? Painful but effective... I have a foam roller and have used it a time or two on my IT band. It's excruciating painful, which wouldn't bother me so much if I knew how it was supposed to be beneficial. -- -- Anne Paulson He who wills the ends wills the means -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010
cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: David - If you're experiencing flare-ups at a certain mileage threshold, it's possible that your IT band hasn't completely calmed down from last time you tweaked it. Even if you're not experiencing pain, the tendon could still be inflammed. Consider a daily icing regimen along with your prescribed stretching routine to promote *full* recovery and healing. I found that a 3 minute ice massage - rubbing an over-sized ice cube over the inflamed area (I'm assuming it's where your IT band flips over the bone on the outside of your knee) - 3 times a day did wonders for my IT band rehab, which i've had to do 3 times now. First bout was after a hilly fixed gear 400k. Second bout was after a pancake flat 600k (on a geared bike). Third bout was after I rushed the second bout rehab - tried to ride too far when i wasn't fully healed. In each case, all of which involved acute pain (i couldn't walk comfortably - couldn't walk down stairs at all), full recovery took me about 4-6 weeks. took another month to *gradually* ramp up my mileage, but I was absolutely 100% after that and haven't had any issues since - mostly because I've stuck with the stretching and icing regardless of how far i'm riding or how i'm feeling. Another tip: if you're out spinning on the flats, grab a few gears and stand-up every now and then - no need to sprint, just stand-up; do some on-bike stretching/coasting if you're not riding fixed; be sure to stretch if you do stop; change position frequently; and change your cadence occasionally. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Raison d'etre
Steve Palincsar wrote: Everything Grand Bois exists because I is interested. I think it's about as far as you can get from market driven. --- Now lemme see ‹ who else does that sound like? -- Jon ³Š ad Š we¹re back on topic!² Grant, in sunny, chilly Austin, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010
Patrick, thanks for the advice on the ice. That was recommended by the Dr., but I kind of disregarded it... will start that! On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: David - If you're experiencing flare-ups at a certain mileage threshold, it's possible that your IT band hasn't completely calmed down from last time you tweaked it. Even if you're not experiencing pain, the tendon could still be inflammed. Consider a daily icing regimen along with your prescribed stretching routine to promote *full* recovery and healing. I found that a 3 minute ice massage - rubbing an over-sized ice cube over the inflamed area (I'm assuming it's where your IT band flips over the bone on the outside of your knee) - 3 times a day did wonders for my IT band rehab, which i've had to do 3 times now. First bout was after a hilly fixed gear 400k. Second bout was after a pancake flat 600k (on a geared bike). Third bout was after I rushed the second bout rehab - tried to ride too far when i wasn't fully healed. In each case, all of which involved acute pain (i couldn't walk comfortably - couldn't walk down stairs at all), full recovery took me about 4-6 weeks. took another month to *gradually* ramp up my mileage, but I was absolutely 100% after that and haven't had any issues since - mostly because I've stuck with the stretching and icing regardless of how far i'm riding or how i'm feeling. Another tip: if you're out spinning on the flats, grab a few gears and stand-up every now and then - no need to sprint, just stand-up; do some on-bike stretching/coasting if you're not riding fixed; be sure to stretch if you do stop; change position frequently; and change your cadence occasionally. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Raison d'etre
On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 12:53 -0600, Jon Grant wrote: Steve Palincsar wrote: Everything Grand Bois exists because I is interested. I think it's about as far as you can get from market driven. --- Now lemme see — who else does that sound like? I think GEP is a lot more driven by market forces than I is. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
On Jan 4, 12:38 pm, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: At my age (53) I'm planning to ride for another 30 years or so (knock on wood), but with age comes shrinkage, (I know, lots of debate on this, but I've lost 1/2 - 3/4 inch since 40 - FYI - Clint Eastwood has gone from 6'4 to 6'1) so I want to be sure the investment in a custom will pay me back in the long run. Another consideration is the on/off leg swing, which maybe should have me thinking Mixte, but I'll likely go for a lower top tube and hope to have the flexibility to get over it so to speak. marty When men lose height as they age, it is in the body (spine) rather than the legs, so I don't think that should be a consideration(?) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)
Yeah, well, I used to think so, too, until I started looking at the sizing charts for womens-specific bike clothing. When the largest chest size offered is a 40 and the largest hip size offered is a 32 (and they call THAT XL, btw!), it's downright silly. I recently had to order team kit from a large bikewear maker and their sizing turns out to be all over the map. AND they got it wrong for about half the team. They got MY jersey right, but only because I ordered -- sit down -- the Womens' 3X. I honestly don't see how clothing manufacturers hope to get more women onto bikes if they don't/won't make clothing to fit more of them. I mean, seriously -- how much DO I have to suck my cheeks in? ..::shrugs::.. Beth On Jan 4, 4:54 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 19:26 -0800, beth h wrote: Title Nine... [snip] ...according to their sizing charts, I apparently qualify as a woman of size. Then they must cater primarily to stick insects. You are many things, but a woman of size ain't one of them, imho. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Ride Report - SoCal Contingent on the Pt Reyes Loop
Occultorotaphobia I love it. Excellent ride report -- really captures the day. The mud/ dirt section was the most fun, of course! For what its worth, I'm riding a fendered bike in San Francisco right now, and its sunny. This is the kind of ride I'll think about whilst falling asleep sometime this summer. Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Jan 4, 9:29 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:24 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote: Hey there - As Esteban mentioned in another thread, we coalesced into a SF/SoCal Riv Riders group on Saturday and headed out in search of pizza, pastries, strong coffee, good roads and great company. In my estimation, we were successful on all counts - Writeup here: http://ramblings.cyclofiend.com/?p=410 Photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/sets/72157623002106707/ There are links in both places to others' photos from the day. It was a great way to begin the year! - Jim whew, I'm tired today... That counts as Epic! I didn't notice Aaron in the other pix, but good to know he was there. Bummer about the tire :-( For the record, my SoCal based AR is sporting some wheelbrowshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4212314976/ ! -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] January Calendar
While Cyclofiend works on this year's calendar, here is a January page. Enjoy. -- Eric Norris www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.com Begin forwarded message: From: Eric Norris via YouSendIt deliv...@yousendit.com Date: January 4, 2010 11:45:18 AM PST To: campyonly...@me.com Subject: January Calendar Reply-To: Eric Norris via YouSendIt deliv...@yousendit.com youSENDit Priority Delivery Download File ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Sent by: enor...@pmcworld.com File to pick up: January-2010-Calendar-Quickbe... File will remain active for: 7 days Link to file: https://rcpt.yousendit.com/798181952/ac2521f0bae5b412eab7c1e305d4cbb8 YouSendIt Inc. | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy | DMCA Policy | Opt Out 1919 S. Bascom Avenue, 3rd Floor Campbell, CA 95008 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010
On Jan 4, 1:48 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: I have a foam roller and have used it a time or two on my IT band. It's excruciating painful, which wouldn't bother me so much if I knew how it was supposed to be beneficial. In theory, the foam roller may help to lengthen/stretch out the IT band and help to unstick the tendon from the underlying muscle tissues. I don't think it does either, although I do think that it may be a good tool for self-massage - which can be beneficial during treatment. My physical therapy included separation massage - which is similar to the unsticking theory. essentially, the physical therapist put her entire body weight into what seemed like an attempt to pluck my IT band like an upright bass. it was comical. and definitely painful, although it did provide some immediate relief of acute pain. so, I think the foam roller might be beneficial during the rehab/ treatment phase (massage is good for rehab - and the roller is essentially self-massage), but i'm not sure it does anything that proper stretching can't do during the fully healed/prevention phase. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010
I was pretty hesitant to fork out for a pro-fit but in hindsight it was money well spent. I was in the process of ordering my first custom and realized I didn't really have any idea of what to ask for. Not only did I make an informed request for the custom, but my new position cured several issues I'd been fighting with for ages... Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of cyclotourist Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:02 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010 Hi Steve, the roller was recommended, so it's on my list of to-dos (two=dos, ha!). I'm thinking I'll get out to the recommended local fit guy. $275 might be a good investment not just for ITB but for general fit. I'm sure my form is pretty sloppy... THANKS! On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:58 AM, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: David, have you tried a foam roller? Painful but effective... Moving to higher Q cranks helped my ITB band troubles, as did lowering the saddle a little and moving it forward a bit more. The saddle adjustment came during a pro fitting which went well. If you ask them to focus on that aspect (dialing in the biomechanics of your saddle's position) and express a wish to keep the bars reasonably high, you should get a good fitting. I ended up with the bartops 1-2 cm below my saddle and it actually feels pretty natural with the new saddle location--rode that way all last season. Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of cyclotourist Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:11 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010 On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 3:37 PM, kps kshe...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 1, 4:29 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: So anybody got a list up and running??? I'm hoping to get over my IT band pain in my left leg which limits my mileage. Went to sports medicine on Thurs and they have me on a stretching strengthening regimen so will see how that works. They recommended a bike fit, but I'm kinda' relucatant to do that as they all are into the racey-bars 10cm below the saddle thing... any recommendations for SoCal fit specialists? david, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Mud Flap Girl
I like it :-) On Jan 4, 8:48 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I mentioned this thread to my S.O. she pointed me to: http://smartmudflapgirl.com/ -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:51 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The great gap in 559 and 571 tires is in the high quality 25-30 mm range. Will someone please, puh-lze make a Grand Bois in a 559X28? If you want them that badly, why don't you have them made. A tire mold from Panaracer costs about $15,000 Figure in set up costs and the cost for the tire materials and you could have 500 tires for about $25,000. You will then have a lifetime supply of your perfect tire, and if they are as great as you say, people will line up at your door to buy them. Jay Hartman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Jason Hartman rjasonhart...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:51 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.comwrote: The great gap in 559 and 571 tires is in the high quality 25-30 mm range. Will someone please, puh-lze make a Grand Bois in a 559X28? If you want them that badly, why don't you have them made. Reason below: A tire mold from Panaracer costs about $15,000 Figure in set up costs and the cost for the tire materials and you could have 500 tires for about $25,000. You will then have a lifetime supply of your perfect tire, and if they are as great as you say, Not me, I am relying on others' opinions. people will line up at your door to buy them. Jay Hartman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010
It's a chunk of money, but that's kinda' the way I'm feeling... it could be really useful in dealing with existing problems, and potentially preventing the development of future problems! On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: I was pretty hesitant to fork out for a pro-fit but in hindsight it was money well spent. I was in the process of ordering my first custom and realized I didn't really have any idea of what to ask for. Not only did I make an informed request for the custom, but my new position cured several issues I'd been fighting with for ages... Steve -Original Message- *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]*on Behalf Of *cyclotourist *Sent:* Monday, January 04, 2010 12:02 PM *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010 Hi Steve, the roller was recommended, so it's on my list of to-dos (two=dos, ha!). I'm thinking I'll get out to the recommended local fit guy. $275 might be a good investment not just for ITB but for general fit. I'm sure my form is pretty sloppy... THANKS! On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:58 AM, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: David, have you tried a foam roller? Painful but effective... Moving to higher Q cranks helped my ITB band troubles, as did lowering the saddle a little and moving it forward a bit more. The saddle adjustment came during a pro fitting which went well. If you ask them to focus on that aspect (dialing in the biomechanics of your saddle's position) and express a wish to keep the bars reasonably high, you should get a good fitting. I ended up with the bartops 1-2 cm below my saddle and it actually feels pretty natural with the new saddle location--rode that way all last season. Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI -Original Message- *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]*on Behalf Of *cyclotourist *Sent:* Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:11 AM *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [RBW] Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010 On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 3:37 PM, kps kshe...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 1, 4:29 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: So anybody got a list up and running??? I'm hoping to get over my IT band pain in my left leg which limits my mileage. Went to sports medicine on Thurs and they have me on a stretching strengthening regimen so will see how that works. They recommended a bike fit, but I'm kinda' relucatant to do that as they all are into the racey-bars 10cm below the saddle thing... any recommendations for SoCal fit specialists? david, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Raison d'etre
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: I think GEP is a lot more driven by market forces than I is. Quoting from memory, from an ancient Rivendell text: We are a product driven company, not a market driven company. I have quoted scripture; there you have it. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010
It gets less painful with time. It's supposed to loosen and free up inflamed, locked, tendons. That's what my PT said, anyway. Sort of like friction massage for tendonitis. And if you don't know what that is, consider yourself fortunate! Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Anne Paulson Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 1:48 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010 On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:58 AM, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: David, have you tried a foam roller? Painful but effective... I have a foam roller and have used it a time or two on my IT band. It's excruciating painful, which wouldn't bother me so much if I knew how it was supposed to be beneficial. -- -- Anne Paulson He who wills the ends wills the means -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
Okay, will out myself. Have one of the new LHT frames - 58cm and 26 wheels. Rides really, really nice. Much like my Atlantis. Which, as it so happens is a 56 frame with 26 wheels. By all accounts and standards, should probably be on a 61 Atlantis. But after hopping on the smaller Atlantis a couple of years ago, just had to have it. Unlike most, I actually like the wider tires and really enjoy having options of either Marathon Supremes or Big Apples under the frame. Cushy and don't find them to be any slower. The engine is the problem on these bikes. Or the option of throwing on Marathon Cross tires and riding unpaved trails in my area. And the wider rubber is much more forgiving. Also, my background is different from most. When getting serious about bikes, it was at first old cruisers, then the new(ish) mountain bike boom. Those bikes just spoke to me. And still do in a way even great road bikes never have. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jan 4, 9:57 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: One curious phenomenon is that Atlantis frames in size 58 (700c) outsold those in size 56 (26) by a large multiple. I often got the impression that folks exaggerated their PBH measurements because of some apprehension about 26 wheels. After I had my Atlantis for a couple years, I found myself wishing for the improved clearances of 26 wheels. My custom tourer/all-rounder is basically a 58 Atlantis with 26 wheels. Apparently Surly saw the benefits of 26 wheeled touring bikes, too. On Jan 4, 9:43 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Pretty sure Tim's AR is a 59. Tim is about 6'4, but that was apparently the Riv-recommended size for him back in 1996 (now he'd probably be on a 64 or so). In any case, Tim used his AR for many brevets because it is comfortable to ride. On Jan 4, 9:28 am, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: I threw in a bid on an All-Rounder that ended up in someone else's hands yesterday via Ebay. Went for a little over 600, which I thought was a great deal - but a few bucks past my limit. Hopefully someone here snatched it up, and can report on the coming build. Guess I'll upgrade my MTB conversion and wait for the next one. It's tough to find a tall-frame 26-wheel lugged steel ride, (my Trek is a 61cm, and I'm running 1.75 Pasella's) and I happen to like the feel, not that there's anything wrong with 700c or 650b... If I'm ever in the position to have a custom built, I'd be tempted to build it around 26 wheels. I know the prevailing winds whisper 700c for anything over 60cm,, but having ridden both styles, it's kind of a toss up to me. The trick is finding that elusive tall-lugged-steel frame. List member Tim M will probably chime in soon - he has a 64 (62?) cm All-Rounder with 26 wheels, and he's waxed enthusiastic about it on the list many times. It's a beautiful bike, and that model is probably your best bet for what you're looking for w/o going custom. Good luck! -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Raison d'etre
On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 13:41 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: I think GEP is a lot more driven by market forces than I is. Quoting from memory, from an ancient Rivendell text: We are a product driven company, not a market driven company. I have quoted scripture; there you have it. I said a lot more driven by market forces than Grand Bois, and I still believe it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 15:10 -0500, Jason Hartman wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:51 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The great gap in 559 and 571 tires is in the high quality 25-30 mm range. Will someone please, puh-lze make a Grand Bois in a 559X28? If you want them that badly, why don't you have them made. A tire mold from Panaracer costs about $15,000 Figure in set up costs and the cost for the tire materials and you could have 500 tires for about $25,000. You will then have a lifetime supply of your perfect tire, and if they are as great as you say, people will line up at your door to buy them.. Exactly. That is exactly what I did, and what Kirk did too, with the Pari Moto. For that matter, it's what La Confrerie des 650B did as well. I suppose nobody cares that much about 559. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)
On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 11:45 -0800, beth h wrote: Yeah, well, I used to think so, too, until I started looking at the sizing charts for womens-specific bike clothing. When the largest chest size offered is a 40 and the largest hip size offered is a 32 (and they call THAT XL, btw!), it's downright silly. I recently had to order team kit from a large bikewear maker and their sizing turns out to be all over the map. AND they got it wrong for about half the team. They got MY jersey right, but only because I ordered -- sit down -- the Womens' 3X. I honestly don't see how clothing manufacturers hope to get more women onto bikes if they don't/won't make clothing to fit more of them. I mean, seriously -- how much DO I have to suck my cheeks in? As I said, they appear to be catering to stick insects. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 11:45 -0800, beth h wrote: Yeah, well, I used to think so, too, until I started looking at the sizing charts for womens-specific bike clothing. When the largest chest size offered is a 40 and the largest hip size offered is a 32 (and they call THAT XL, btw!), it's downright silly. I recently had to order team kit from a large bikewear maker and their sizing turns out to be all over the map. AND they got it wrong for about half the team. They got MY jersey right, but only because I ordered -- sit down -- the Womens' 3X. I honestly don't see how clothing manufacturers hope to get more women onto bikes if they don't/won't make clothing to fit more of them. I mean, seriously -- how much DO I have to suck my cheeks in? As I said, they appear to be catering to stick insects. Steve, A suggestion: If a company if not targetting a set of people with a certain body attribute I don't think it is necessary to insult the group of folks who do like and buy their products. Thanks, -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: January Calendar
Eric the link seems to be missing.? On Jan 4, 11:46 am, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: While Cyclofiend works on this year's calendar, here is a January page. Enjoy. -- Eric Norriswww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.com Begin forwarded message: From: Eric Norris via YouSendIt deliv...@yousendit.com Date: January 4, 2010 11:45:18 AM PST To: campyonly...@me.com Subject: January Calendar Reply-To: Eric Norris via YouSendIt deliv...@yousendit.com youSENDit Priority Delivery Download File ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Sent by: enor...@pmcworld.com File to pick up: January-2010-Calendar-Quickbe... File will remain active for: 7 days Link to file: https://rcpt.yousendit.com/798181952/ac2521f0bae5b412eab7c1e305d4cbb8 YouSendIt Inc. | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy | DMCA Policy | Opt Out 1919 S. Bascom Avenue, 3rd Floor Campbell, CA 95008- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: January Calendar
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[RBW] Re: Raison d'etre
For years I believed 700 wheels were faster and better. I've now ridden my Marinoni from Canada to Colombia (11,000km) and the SLX Handbuilt lugged Colombus frame has been comfortable - Brooks saddle, no bike shorts. I'm carrying around 50lb of gear. The rear wheel has received much attention and now the rim is cracking. Guys on 26 wheel rigs are not having these problems. I'm finally a 26 wheel devotee trapped on a 700 body. The next bike I build up or buy will be with 26 wheels. Maybe even with cable pull disc brakes for the mountains - heresey? Should have bought that 56cm Atlantis when I had the chance. If wishes were horses Not to change the subject but on the offchance anyone have an idea of where I can find a touring rim between Cartagena and Bogota? On Jan 4, 3:58 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 13:41 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: I think GEP is a lot more driven by market forces than I is. Quoting from memory, from an ancient Rivendell text: We are a product driven company, not a market driven company. I have quoted scripture; there you have it. I said a lot more driven by market forces than Grand Bois, and I still believe it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010
On Jan 4, 12:39 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: And here's the question: does anyone have any medical information, as opposed to speculation, about standing and pedalling? Is this any worse for your knees than a stair stepper? any worse than, is a relative term, Patrick. Your riding style, whether you're out of the saddle or not, puts a lot of stress on the knees and isn't exactly a best practice if you're concerned with avoiding/preventing knee injuries. whether it's comparable to a stair stepper seems irrelevant. That said, it sounds like you've adapted to a very low cadence riding style and are well trained for it. and the fact that you're not experiencing pain and haven't injured yourself indicates that you're body can handle it (at least for the short term), as long as you stay conditioned for it. But, given that you are choosing a riding style that stresses the knees, you should pay very close attention to any feedback that you're getting from your body and don't ignore pain, regardless of how insignificant a little twinge or tweak might seem. it sounds like you're already doing this - you know that a 75 gear might cause some pain in some circumstances, etc. that's being smart. you might also have a look at the common symtoms associated with mashing/ grinding/etc. and know the signs. I know patellar tendonitis is a big one for mashers and chondromalacia can also be a problem. don't know much beyond that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Raison d'etre
IMHO it's not the size but the quality of the wheel and how much abuse it sees. Two of my touring buds have identical bikes, REI Safari with 26 wheels. One is about 1-1/2 years old, the other 3-4. Neither rider is particularly careful. The older bike gets a trip to REI once a year for service. The newer one came up with a destroyed rear wheel on tour this summer. The difference? The guy with the older bike weighs 170 the guy with the newer 210. So there are places where weight matters, it ain't the bike. If you're going to ship a bike a lot, smaller wheels make the packing easier. I've had times I wished I had 26 instead of 700 on my Atlantis. FWIW one of our SoCal Riv group has an Atlantis with 26 wheels with Schwalbe Marathon Expedition (?) tires, big honking monsters (2?) next to my 35mm Marathon Supremes. He has no problem keeping up, and is kind enough to wait for me at the tops of hills. dougP On Jan 4, 1:49 pm, 42MuskhamSt attew...@gmail.com wrote: For years I believed 700 wheels were faster and better. I've now ridden my Marinoni from Canada to Colombia (11,000km) and the SLX Handbuilt lugged Colombus frame has been comfortable - Brooks saddle, no bike shorts. I'm carrying around 50lb of gear. The rear wheel has received much attention and now the rim is cracking. Guys on 26 wheel rigs are not having these problems. I'm finally a 26 wheel devotee trapped on a 700 body. The next bike I build up or buy will be with 26 wheels. Maybe even with cable pull disc brakes for the mountains - heresey? Should have bought that 56cm Atlantis when I had the chance. If wishes were horses Not to change the subject but on the offchance anyone have an idea of where I can find a touring rim between Cartagena and Bogota? On Jan 4, 3:58 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 13:41 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: I think GEP is a lot more driven by market forces than I is. Quoting from memory, from an ancient Rivendell text: We are a product driven company, not a market driven company. I have quoted scripture; there you have it. I said a lot more driven by market forces than Grand Bois, and I still believe it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Question about women's riding clothes (not for me)
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: As I said, they appear to be catering to stick insects. I buy a lot of clothes at Title 9. I like their styles, I wish they would sell clothes for bigger women, because I'm at the upper end of their size range, but there is no way anyone would possibly call me a stick insect. -- -- Anne Paulson He who wills the ends wills the means -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
You need to hunt down a set of the Primo Comet 26x1.5. I came into owning a set of these through the purchase of an ebay tandem. They are dirt cheap, about $25, and held in high regard by the recumbent set. I have moved them arond on a few bikes and they are fast and smooth as pillows, I dream of them in 700C at the 26price. Rob On Jan 4, 9:51 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:22 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: With some skinny race tires excepted, most decent tires out there have a perfectly acceptable 26 variant. And who buys an Atlantis or similar bike with skinny race tires in mind? The great gap in 559 and 571 tires is in the high quality 25-30 mm range. Will someone please, puh-lze make a Grand Bois in a 559X28? There are many utility tires -- City Slicker type; the Pasela comes closer to a supple tire, but it's not really a top quality riding tire, in my experience with it. And there are a few 26X1 tires -- Conti makes one. I use old stock 26X1 Turbos because of the casing quality, but I do wish they were at least 4 mm wider than the 22 mm they measure on my rims. FWIW, I just swapped out the rear Turbo after 1700 miles; very thin but no increase in punctures yet. The front of course is good for 3000 easily, unless I rotate it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] For Sale: 61cm Box Dog, Pelican
For Sale: 61cm Box-Dog-Bikes Pelican frame and fork. Never fully built, which is to say I partially assembled it and am finding I don't quite like the fit. Top tube is 59cm. Frameset is in perfect condition, as new. Asking $900 shipped to anywhere in the lower 48. Please respond to e-mail: gueri...@msn.com for serious questions and offers. Thanks for your interest. John Guerin _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
On Jan 4, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Bill Connell wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: I threw in a bid on an All-Rounder that ended up in someone else's hands yesterday via Ebay. Went for a little over 600, which I thought was a great deal - but a few bucks past my limit. Hopefully someone here snatched it up, and can report on the coming build. Guess I'll upgrade my MTB conversion and wait for the next one. It's tough to find a tall-frame 26-wheel lugged steel ride, (my Trek is a 61cm, and I'm running 1.75 Pasella's) and I happen to like the feel, not that there's anything wrong with 700c or 650b... If I'm ever in the position to have a custom built, I'd be tempted to build it around 26 wheels. I know the prevailing winds whisper 700c for anything over 60cm,, but having ridden both styles, it's kind of a toss up to me. The trick is finding that elusive tall-lugged-steel frame. List member Tim M will probably chime in soon - he has a 64 (62?) cm All-Rounder with 26 wheels, and he's waxed enthusiastic about it on the list many times. It's a beautiful bike, and that model is probably your best bet for what you're looking for w/o going custom. Good luck! It's actually a 59.5- from 1996- and about 4 cm too small by current Riv standards. I doubt Grant would even sell me a frame that small now. A 63.5 works well for me, but the Riv is very comfortable albeit with lots of seatpost and stem showing. There's an old photo on the first page of my very old tour of Lake Pepin report from 2000: http://www2.bitstream.net/~timmcn/tour2000.html Now it has reverted to DT shifters and has a Mini rack on the front (with a Platrack and purty matched bag in the offing, thanks Santa). The stem is different now, too, a Nitto Technomic Deluxe, putting the bars 3-4 cm higher. I had for years groused about the 26 wheels on this bike, but the Panaracer Pasela 26 x 1.25 are so good that they have eliminated my complaints of the bike being slow on the road (unfortunately my LBS won't have tanwalls anymore, though, as QBP is dropping them in favor of the blackwalls. Boo!). All things being equal, small wheels will have higher rolling resistance and for a long time this bike felt like molasses on the road. Good road tires for 26 wheels were fairly hard to come by, most of them having thick rubber and weighing a lot. I never liked any of the 26 x 1.0 tires I tried and the Avocet and Specialized 26 x 1.5s were slow feeling. With the Paselas, the A/R now rolls well, rides wonderfully and is my favorite bike. As a bonus, I rode the bike for 13 years without ever having to true the rear wheel thanks to the 10% greater strength of the smaller diameter hoop and the near-dishless 135 mm OLN spacing with a 36 hole 7 speed Phil hub. I finally had to replace the rim in 2009 when I found some cracks around the spoke holes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
On Jan 4, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Marty wrote: Also, I'm not too put-off by the look of 26 wheels on a taller frame, which seems to be more of an issue than actual performance to some. I've had people ask me if my A/R has 24 wheels. I've seen really big frame bikes (64-65 cm+) on which 700 x 28s looked like 26ers! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
On Jan 4, 2010, at 5:57 PM, rperks wrote: You need to hunt down a set of the Primo Comet 26x1.5. I came into owning a set of these through the purchase of an ebay tandem. They are dirt cheap, about $25, and held in high regard by the recumbent set. I have moved them arond on a few bikes and they are fast and smooth as pillows, I dream of them in 700C at the 26price. I've used the Primo (spelled Pr1mo on the sidewall) 26 x 1.25 tires quite a bit. Too fragile, lots of sidewall damage and punctures. And too hard to find, only stocked locally by Calhoun Cycles (recumbent shop) and usually out of stock. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
Steve said: I suppose nobody cares that much about 559. Au contraire. The number of real-world bike shops (i.e., those that focus on mass- produced bicycles retailing for under $1,000) doing a roaring business in 650b is VERY low. 650b, while it offers a lovely ride and a great in-between wheel size that certainly fits a niche, is more likely to be found through custom builders, and from mail-order houses specializing in outfitting those custom frames. At our shop, we do carry 650b rims and tires. We probably get asked to build custom wheels in that size four or five times a year; and we've sold exactly ten 650b tires to customers in the last 6 months. We also carry 26/559 wheels, rims and tubes. We sell them by the hundreds. The largest number of bikes I've ever seen with 650b wheels -- about twelve of them -- were all in one room at the recent Oregon Manifest bike show. All of those gorgeous bikes were custom built. Some were available for sale and among those the cheapest one sold for around $4,000. The winning bike at the show is currently for sale, for a cool six grand. While these bikes represent some fantastic -- and even, in many cases, truly sensible -- ideas in bicycle design, I do not consider them to be real world bikes. I consider a real-world bike to be a mass-produced, LBS-quality bike that would retail for between $400 and $1000 complete. That is a bike that the majority of hourly-wage workers in this country can afford, even if they have to save up for it for several months (as a number of our customers have had to do). Based on that criteriae, there is not yet a real-world bike on the market that is built around 650b wheels. That's not to say it won't happen. I certainly could happen. But in order for it to happen, 650b proponents would have to be willing to accept a lower common standard in order to make the bike accessible to many more people. At present, 650b is still being sold on its performance, and in no small part its hip, French coolness. As an individual who loves hand-built bikes and beautiful components that perform beautifully, I GET cool, I actually DIG cool and in fact I am blessed enough to be able to RIDE cool to work every day. But as a bicycle salesperson it is very hard for me to sell that kind of cool to someone who rides daily for transportation, works in a dicey neighborhood and has to lock their bike to the gas meter in an apartment building basement every night. That level of cool is simply too expensive to buy, and to risk, at the present time. For my money, THE way to go for real-world bikes IS 26/559. The wheel size has been around for ages, offers zillions of tread choices and price ranges, and can be cobbled together with a used frame and parts to provide a VERY servicable, extremely rideable bike at a price that an hourly wage worker can handle. I love -- no, I ADORE -- the 26/559 wheel size and I am sure I'm not alone. That is why I worried when I heard that the Atlantis might go away. The Atlantis is an absolute wet dream of a 559-dedicated bike and it should live forever. I hope it will. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:50 PM, beth h periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: For my money, THE way to go for real-world bikes IS 26/559. The wheel size has been around for ages, offers zillions of tread choices and price ranges, and can be cobbled together with a used frame and parts to provide a VERY servicable, extremely rideable bike at a price that an hourly wage worker can handle. I love -- no, I ADORE -- the 26/559 wheel size and I am sure I'm not alone. That is why I worried when I heard that the Atlantis might go away. The Atlantis is an absolute wet dream of a 559-dedicated bike and it should live forever. I hope it will. To be fair - it sounds a lot like what you may want is what Matthew Grimm is doing with his goals for 559-sized kogswells. A reasonably affordable frame/fork targeted for 26 wheels with its own amount of cool seems like a rational market. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
A quick Google shows these for under $25 each at Ebikestop and Treefortbikes, among others. Just FYI. I have WAY too many tires in my garage to be buying anymore to try. And that doesn't even count the pr I won on Ebay last night From: Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, January 4, 2010 7:11:28 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here? I've used the Primo (spelled Pr1mo on the sidewall) 26 x 1.25 tires quite a bit. Too fragile, lots of sidewall damage and punctures. And too hard to find, only stocked locally by Calhoun Cycles (recumbent shop) and usually out of stock. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
Beth, great write up on the the 559 perspective. Thanks for taking the time to do it! On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:50 PM, beth h periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: Steve said: I suppose nobody cares that much about 559. Au contraire. The number of real-world bike shops (i.e., those that focus on mass- produced bicycles retailing for under $1,000) doing a roaring business in 650b is VERY low. 650b, while it offers a lovely ride and a great in-between wheel size that certainly fits a niche, is more likely to be found through custom builders, and from mail-order houses specializing in outfitting those custom frames. At our shop, we do carry 650b rims and tires. We probably get asked to build custom wheels in that size four or five times a year; and we've sold exactly ten 650b tires to customers in the last 6 months. We also carry 26/559 wheels, rims and tubes. We sell them by the hundreds. The largest number of bikes I've ever seen with 650b wheels -- about twelve of them -- were all in one room at the recent Oregon Manifest bike show. All of those gorgeous bikes were custom built. Some were available for sale and among those the cheapest one sold for around $4,000. The winning bike at the show is currently for sale, for a cool six grand. While these bikes represent some fantastic -- and even, in many cases, truly sensible -- ideas in bicycle design, I do not consider them to be real world bikes. I consider a real-world bike to be a mass-produced, LBS-quality bike that would retail for between $400 and $1000 complete. That is a bike that the majority of hourly-wage workers in this country can afford, even if they have to save up for it for several months (as a number of our customers have had to do). Based on that criteriae, there is not yet a real-world bike on the market that is built around 650b wheels. That's not to say it won't happen. I certainly could happen. But in order for it to happen, 650b proponents would have to be willing to accept a lower common standard in order to make the bike accessible to many more people. At present, 650b is still being sold on its performance, and in no small part its hip, French coolness. As an individual who loves hand-built bikes and beautiful components that perform beautifully, I GET cool, I actually DIG cool and in fact I am blessed enough to be able to RIDE cool to work every day. But as a bicycle salesperson it is very hard for me to sell that kind of cool to someone who rides daily for transportation, works in a dicey neighborhood and has to lock their bike to the gas meter in an apartment building basement every night. That level of cool is simply too expensive to buy, and to risk, at the present time. For my money, THE way to go for real-world bikes IS 26/559. The wheel size has been around for ages, offers zillions of tread choices and price ranges, and can be cobbled together with a used frame and parts to provide a VERY servicable, extremely rideable bike at a price that an hourly wage worker can handle. I love -- no, I ADORE -- the 26/559 wheel size and I am sure I'm not alone. That is why I worried when I heard that the Atlantis might go away. The Atlantis is an absolute wet dream of a 559-dedicated bike and it should live forever. I hope it will. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010
I have a foam roller and have used it a time or two on my IT band. It's excruciating painful, which wouldn't bother me so much if I knew how it was supposed to be beneficial. Anne, The idea behind the foam roller is that it irons out the muscle. Its supposed to help break up the scar tissue that builds up from years of use and abuse; and massage the muscle. I absolutely love mine, I use it all the time. The pain is supposed to be a good pain, in the sense that the roller is working, and should lessen the more you use it. They are available very reasonably from optp.com -Andy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:57 PM, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: You need to hunt down a set of the Primo Comet 26x1.5. I came into owning a set of these through the purchase of an ebay tandem. They are dirt cheap, about $25, and held in high regard by the recumbent set. I have moved them arond on a few bikes and they are fast and smooth as pillows, I dream of them in 700C at the 26price. Alas, 1.5s are too fat; I want something no fatter than 30 mm, or about 1.2, one big reason being so that I can fit fenders over them -- my Rivs will take 32s with fenders, barely, but no more. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:50 PM, beth h periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: I love -- no, I ADORE -- the 26/559 wheel size and I am sure I'm not alone. That is why I worried when I heard that the Atlantis might go away. The Atlantis is an absolute wet dream of a 559-dedicated bike and it should live forever. I hope it will. Beth: is there any way someone could come up with a real, Grand Bois quality 28 mm tire? Personally, were I to spend all the thousands I've spent since I got back into cycling circa 1987 on a couple of new customs, I might very well go 622. But 559 does have very real advantages -- I feel them every time I climb standing a steep hill for half a mile -- and a top quality road tire would be a great boon to many cyclists. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: On Jan 4, 12:39 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: And here's the question: does anyone have any medical information, as opposed to speculation, about standing and pedalling? Is this any worse for your knees than a stair stepper? any worse than, is a relative term, Patrick. Your riding style, whether you're out of the saddle or not, puts a lot of stress on the knees and isn't exactly a best practice if you're concerned with avoiding/preventing knee injuries. whether it's comparable to a stair stepper seems irrelevant. I meant this: is standing on steep climbs, or, IOW, standing and doing low cadence, high torque pedalling, bad for you knees? Is it any different from stair stepping? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
Well, Matthew Grimm recently pushed the 650b version of the Kogswell P/ R to Anthony @ Longleaf so MG could focus on a 26 wheeled version for the foreseeable future. I still kick myself for getting rid of the 58cm lugged 26 wheeled frame I found on the side of the road in San Francisco. Had quite a few nice rides with it built up with closet parts. Moving across the country makes you part with the strangest things... On Jan 4, 4:01 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 15:10 -0500, Jason Hartman wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:51 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The great gap in 559 and 571 tires is in the high quality 25-30 mm range. Will someone please, puh-lze make a Grand Bois in a 559X28? If you want them that badly, why don't you have them made. A tire mold from Panaracer costs about $15,000 Figure in set up costs and the cost for the tire materials and you could have 500 tires for about $25,000. You will then have a lifetime supply of your perfect tire, and if they are as great as you say, people will line up at your door to buy them.. Exactly. That is exactly what I did, and what Kirk did too, with the Pari Moto. For that matter, it's what La Confrerie des 650B did as well. I suppose nobody cares that much about 559. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
Marty, My 59cm All-Rounder has 26 wheels, the 64cm Atlantis has 700c. Both work fine, at different times I have prefered one wheel size over the other, to me the biggest difference is tire/rim selection. At the moment the tire selection for both diameters is quite good in the larger sizes I use on these bikes. Angus On Jan 4, 5:45 am, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: I threw in a bid on an All-Rounder that ended up in someone else's hands yesterday via Ebay. Went for a little over 600, which I thought was a great deal - but a few bucks past my limit. Hopefully someone here snatched it up, and can report on the coming build. Guess I'll upgrade my MTB conversion and wait for the next one. It's tough to find a tall-frame 26-wheel lugged steel ride, (my Trek is a 61cm, and I'm running 1.75 Pasella's) and I happen to like the feel, not that there's anything wrong with 700c or 650b... If I'm ever in the position to have a custom built, I'd be tempted to build it around 26 wheels. I know the prevailing winds whisper 700c for anything over 60cm,, but having ridden both styles, it's kind of a toss up to me. The trick is finding that elusive tall-lugged-steel frame. Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
On Jan 4, 2010, at 8:41 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: I never liked any of the 26 x 1.0 tires Did you ever try the old 559 X 1 Turbos that measure a real 23 mm, or 22 on my skinny rims? Wonderful tires, only too skinny: smooth, roll fast, and, very odd, far fewer flats than Paselas. I just pro- actively replaced the rear at 1,700 miles although there was still a bit of tread left and I was not getting flats. (Thanks, Ryan!) No, they were too hard to find locally; I only found one. I don't care for using tires I have to mail order, I want to just go to the bike shop when I need one. I think I may still have that foldable Turbo I bought to stick in a saddlebag as a spare. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:45 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:50 PM, beth h periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: I love -- no, I ADORE -- the 26/559 wheel size and I am sure I'm not alone. That is why I worried when I heard that the Atlantis might go away. The Atlantis is an absolute wet dream of a 559-dedicated bike and it should live forever. I hope it will. Beth: is there any way someone could come up with a real, Grand Bois quality 28 mm tire? I sent a message earlier today saying exactly what it would take for such a tire to happen. It's not magic. Rivendell has a bunch of different tire models. Grand Bois is run by one person. It just takes some money and time. Jay Hartman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: All-Rounder Deal - Anyone dig 26 here?
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Jason Hartman rjasonhart...@gmail.comwrote: I sent a message earlier today saying exactly what it would take for such a tire to happen. Anyone else? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] the long road to my first Rivendell
Hi, I bought a Hillborne a couple of months ago, built it up for commuting and mixed road/off-road riding, and have been loving it. I feel like I have found my perfect bike, even though as recently as a year ago I never seriously thought of buying a Rivendell. Here it is: http://tinyurl.com/y8ay6gg The following is the history that led me to buy a Sam, and I thought it might be of interest to some of you (I sent a version to Grant as well). The funny thing is that the Hillborne is almost exactly the bike I have wanted for the past 20 years, although at times I didn't quite know it. And the bike I have been riding for the last 19 years is a lot like a Sam Hillborne, only not nearly as nice a bike. So here is the back story: Back in 1991 when I bought my first real bike, I looked at Bridgestones, but wanted neither a road nor a mountain bike, and the RB-T was still too much of a road bike for me. I also had a Shimano bias (since cured), which made at least some Bridgestones less attractive. I wanted a bike that could do anything, and in my college student's $600 price range, the Fisher Sphinx (basically a rigid 29er with drop bars, or a proto monster cross) was almost exactly it. I still consider the Fisher Sphinx a ground-breaking bike, but it never gets mentioned in discussions of the origins of all-arounders or whatever you want to call them, and I've only ever been able to find ONE photo of it on the web: http://tinyurl.com/yhlo7jy (with all stock parts excecpt the tires: it came with 38mm semi-knobbies; note the it's so hideous it's almost good 'sharkbite' paint job). I'll put photos of mine up on cyclofiend at some point. I did admire the Bridgestones though, still have the 1992-94 catalogues, and even bought a long sleeve wool jersey with tagua nut buttons from Bridgestone. I particularly liked the XO-1, and if it had had a triple crank and 700C wheels, I might have bought one and sold the Fisher. In the late 90s I tried buying an MB-1 off a friend who wasn't riding it, but he wasn't selling, either. :) The Fisher is still my main ride (well, was, until the Sam arrived), but it bugs me that it has a 1 1/4 headset and 88mm bottom bracket shell, which mean it's going to be a pain in the butt to maintain long term. The frame is also not of terribly high quality, with a chainstay bridge that runs diagonal, and some subpar welds. Even though I vaguely knew about Rivendell from early on, I somewhat strangely did not think of buying a Rivendell until fairly recently. I still remember my first conscious Riv sighting, at a critical mass in San Francisco around 2000. I was very intrigued, but also mystified. I talked to the owner for a while, admired the burnt orange paint job ( a lot like the orange Sam) and the SON dynohub, but thought it was trying a bit too hard to look retro. Another part of not thinking about buying one was the high price, not wanting to own a bike that precious and unusual, and partly, since I already had a very sensible bike, I wanted something a bit racier for fast club rides. In '96, I had bought a NOS 1995 Bianchi Veloce, the last lugged steel bike with steel fork they made, I think. At the time I remembered being a bit sad that the Veloce didn't come with a carbon fork, but over the years I became glad it was all steel. I also considered buying an Ibis Hakkalügi cyclocross at one point (I already had an Ibis Uncle Fester tandem, which I loved), but wasn't quite ready to build up a frame myself, and also thought it too precious/expensive. The Bianchi was stolen in 2003 or so, and in 2006 I replaced it with a used Independent Fabrications Planet Cross (http://tinyurl.com/yduufyx) that could do double duty as a fast road bike and an off-roader (though the rear can't quite fit 42 mm knobbies). My Sphinx meanwhile wore fenders and got me to school and back. I even went so far as to buy a silly aero wheelset for the Indy Fab so I could switch it back and forth from road to off road quickly, and was thinking of replacing the dowdy Sugino triple with something sexier and lighter-weight (I hadn't yet reallized that there isn't anything sexier than a Sugino). But then it started bugging me that the Indy Fab couldn't take fenders or racks (no braze-ons) and slowly the things that initially turned me off a bit about Rivendell (why do the MUSA pants have to be two-tone? Flat pedals? Without toe-straps, even? Mud flaps? In California? What's up with the ridiculously high stems? [I still don't understand why Riv doesn't promote Periscopa type stems more, I think they would look much better than a Technomic raised to the max]), well, those things didn't bug me so much anymore. I still didn't want to/couldn't spend $2000 on a frame, the Atlantis seemed heavy and 26 wheels look wrong to me on a medium-sized drop bar bike, the AHH didn't have enough tire clearance and I like cantilevers, and for the last couple of years I was thinking of getting a Surly Cross Check or a Soma Double Cross and
[RBW] Rivendell Roadeo or Other
I currently have a 2005 Specialized Allez Comp. It was my first road bike and it is about a size too big and only recently got comfortable riding it once I put an 80mm stem on it. Anyway I have been looking for a new road bike and want to go with a steel frame, preferably lugged. I have been eyeing the Rivendell Roadeo, as well as the De Rosa Corum (not lugged) and custom builders, Jeff Lyon and Circle A Cycles. I am very close to sending in a deposit to Jeff Lyon because of his experience with building the type of frames I'm interested in. However, I have resisted because I am drawn to the Rivendell Roadeo since it is similar to what I would like Jeff Lyon to build me. Also I am out in CA two or three times a year and stay pretty close to where Rivendell is located. So, I can visit them and test ride a similar frame to what I would be buying. They have 2 55cm's built up and I'm a 52 or 53, so even though It's not my size I can hopefully still get an idea of how it rides. I also really like the De Rosa, but none of the shops I called keep them in stock and if I am going to buy it locally I'd like to be able to take it out for a spin to see how things feel. If I'm dropping over 2k for that frame I might as well send my $ off to Lyon and let him build me something since I couldn't test ride that either and is probably more what I want. That brings me back to the Rivendell and Lyon dilemma. I want a lugged frame that is as light as practical and can fit fenders if I want to use them. I like the Lyon option because for about the same as the Rivendell I am getting something made just for me. However he is relying on the measurements and info I provide to make the correct frame. With the Riv bike I can visit them and let them take my measurements to determine which size Roadeo is the best fit. So I am really confused and am asking here to see which way some of you would go. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadeo or Other
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:54 PM, sjauch sja...@gmail.com wrote: So I am really confused and am asking here to see which way some of you would go. I'd say go by rbwhq and try out the roadeo. That will likely make most of the decision for you. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] the long road to my first Rivendell
Great *coming of age* story! Like the Catcher in the Rye, minus the rye and the catching and with more bicycles! And I really, really, really like how your Sam looks built up all monstercrossy. Just perfect! On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I bought a Hillborne a couple of months ago, built it up for commuting and mixed road/off-road riding, and have been loving it. I feel like I have found my perfect bike, even though as recently as a year ago I never seriously thought of buying a Rivendell. Here it is: http://tinyurl.com/y8ay6gg The following is the history that led me to buy a Sam, and I thought it might be of interest to some of you (I sent a version to Grant as well). The funny thing is that the Hillborne is almost exactly the bike I have wanted for the past 20 years, although at times I didn't quite know it. And the bike I have been riding for the last 19 years is a lot like a Sam Hillborne, only not nearly as nice a bike. So here is the back story: Back in 1991 when I bought my first real bike, I looked at Bridgestones, but wanted neither a road nor a mountain bike, and the RB-T was still too much of a road bike for me. I also had a Shimano bias (since cured), which made at least some Bridgestones less attractive. I wanted a bike that could do anything, and in my college student's $600 price range, the Fisher Sphinx (basically a rigid 29er with drop bars, or a proto monster cross) was almost exactly it. I still consider the Fisher Sphinx a ground-breaking bike, but it never gets mentioned in discussions of the origins of all-arounders or whatever you want to call them, and I've only ever been able to find ONE photo of it on the web: http://tinyurl.com/yhlo7jy (with all stock parts excecpt the tires: it came with 38mm semi-knobbies; note the it's so hideous it's almost good 'sharkbite' paint job). I'll put photos of mine up on cyclofiend at some point. I did admire the Bridgestones though, still have the 1992-94 catalogues, and even bought a long sleeve wool jersey with tagua nut buttons from Bridgestone. I particularly liked the XO-1, and if it had had a triple crank and 700C wheels, I might have bought one and sold the Fisher. In the late 90s I tried buying an MB-1 off a friend who wasn't riding it, but he wasn't selling, either. :) The Fisher is still my main ride (well, was, until the Sam arrived), but it bugs me that it has a 1 1/4 headset and 88mm bottom bracket shell, which mean it's going to be a pain in the butt to maintain long term. The frame is also not of terribly high quality, with a chainstay bridge that runs diagonal, and some subpar welds. Even though I vaguely knew about Rivendell from early on, I somewhat strangely did not think of buying a Rivendell until fairly recently. I still remember my first conscious Riv sighting, at a critical mass in San Francisco around 2000. I was very intrigued, but also mystified. I talked to the owner for a while, admired the burnt orange paint job ( a lot like the orange Sam) and the SON dynohub, but thought it was trying a bit too hard to look retro. Another part of not thinking about buying one was the high price, not wanting to own a bike that precious and unusual, and partly, since I already had a very sensible bike, I wanted something a bit racier for fast club rides. In '96, I had bought a NOS 1995 Bianchi Veloce, the last lugged steel bike with steel fork they made, I think. At the time I remembered being a bit sad that the Veloce didn't come with a carbon fork, but over the years I became glad it was all steel. I also considered buying an Ibis Hakkalügi cyclocross at one point (I already had an Ibis Uncle Fester tandem, which I loved), but wasn't quite ready to build up a frame myself, and also thought it too precious/expensive. The Bianchi was stolen in 2003 or so, and in 2006 I replaced it with a used Independent Fabrications Planet Cross (http://tinyurl.com/yduufyx) that could do double duty as a fast road bike and an off-roader (though the rear can't quite fit 42 mm knobbies). My Sphinx meanwhile wore fenders and got me to school and back. I even went so far as to buy a silly aero wheelset for the Indy Fab so I could switch it back and forth from road to off road quickly, and was thinking of replacing the dowdy Sugino triple with something sexier and lighter-weight (I hadn't yet reallized that there isn't anything sexier than a Sugino). But then it started bugging me that the Indy Fab couldn't take fenders or racks (no braze-ons) and slowly the things that initially turned me off a bit about Rivendell (why do the MUSA pants have to be two-tone? Flat pedals? Without toe-straps, even? Mud flaps? In California? What's up with the ridiculously high stems? [I still don't understand why Riv doesn't promote Periscopa type stems more, I think they would look much better than a Technomic raised to the max]), well, those
[RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadeo or Other
I was having a similar decision making process when I decided to go with the Roadeo. I had been looking at the Lyons and also Banjo Bicycles, he did the Velo Orange Pass Hunter. I was looking for something similar to the Pass Hunter, but with side pull brakes. Also, at the time Riv had a red Legolas on special, but I really wanted side pulls. I had saved up the coin, and had approval from the wife to be, yet held on starting the dialogue with Banjo when the Roadeo was announced. After a few emails exchanged with Mark I knew my fate was sealed. The bike has met and exceeded my expectations in every way. For the price I do not believe it can be beat if it is the geometry that you are looking for. The custom builders, including Waterford, start just a little above the price of entry for the Roadeo, and it goes up quick from there. at $2k it is competitive in the current market. Follow your gut feeling, and a test ride cannot hurt either. You can see pics of my ride here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/36302...@n08/sets/72157622875811028/ That being said, I will ride the Roadeo a long long time, but it will not be my last road bike, there will always be more Rob On Jan 4, 1:54 pm, sjauch sja...@gmail.com wrote: I currently have a 2005 Specialized Allez Comp. It was my first road bike and it is about a size too big and only recently got comfortable riding it once I put an 80mm stem on it. Anyway I have been looking for a new road bike and want to go with a steel frame, preferably lugged. I have been eyeing the Rivendell Roadeo, as well as the De Rosa Corum (not lugged) and custom builders, Jeff Lyon and Circle A Cycles. I am very close to sending in a deposit to Jeff Lyon because of his experience with building the type of frames I'm interested in. However, I have resisted because I am drawn to the Rivendell Roadeo since it is similar to what I would like Jeff Lyon to build me. Also I am out in CA two or three times a year and stay pretty close to where Rivendell is located. So, I can visit them and test ride a similar frame to what I would be buying. They have 2 55cm's built up and I'm a 52 or 53, so even though It's not my size I can hopefully still get an idea of how it rides. I also really like the De Rosa, but none of the shops I called keep them in stock and if I am going to buy it locally I'd like to be able to take it out for a spin to see how things feel. If I'm dropping over 2k for that frame I might as well send my $ off to Lyon and let him build me something since I couldn't test ride that either and is probably more what I want. That brings me back to the Rivendell and Lyon dilemma. I want a lugged frame that is as light as practical and can fit fenders if I want to use them. I like the Lyon option because for about the same as the Rivendell I am getting something made just for me. However he is relying on the measurements and info I provide to make the correct frame. With the Riv bike I can visit them and let them take my measurements to determine which size Roadeo is the best fit. So I am really confused and am asking here to see which way some of you would go. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadeo or Other
That is one nice ride! Makes me want one…again… From: rperks perks@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, January 4, 2010 8:58:17 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadeo or Other I was having a similar decision making process when I decided to go with the Roadeo. I had been looking at the Lyons and also Banjo Bicycles, he did the Velo Orange Pass Hunter. I was looking for something similar to the Pass Hunter, but with side pull brakes. Also, at the time Riv had a red Legolas on special, but I really wanted side pulls. I had saved up the coin, and had approval from the wife to be, yet held on starting the dialogue with Banjo when the Roadeo was announced. After a few emails exchanged with Mark I knew my fate was sealed. The bike has met and exceeded my expectations in every way. For the price I do not believe it can be beat if it is the geometry that you are looking for. The custom builders, including Waterford, start just a little above the price of entry for the Roadeo, and it goes up quick from there. at $2k it is competitive in the current market. Follow your gut feeling, and a test ride cannot hurt either. You can see pics of my ride here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/36302...@n08/sets/72157622875811028/ That being said, I will ride the Roadeo a long long time, but it will not be my last road bike, there will always be more Rob On Jan 4, 1:54 pm, sjauch sja...@gmail.com wrote: I currently have a 2005 Specialized Allez Comp. It was my first road bike and it is about a size too big and only recently got comfortable riding it once I put an 80mm stem on it. Anyway I have been looking for a new road bike and want to go with a steel frame, preferably lugged. I have been eyeing the Rivendell Roadeo, as well as the De Rosa Corum (not lugged) and custom builders, Jeff Lyon and Circle A Cycles. I am very close to sending in a deposit to Jeff Lyon because of his experience with building the type of frames I'm interested in. However, I have resisted because I am drawn to the Rivendell Roadeo since it is similar to what I would like Jeff Lyon to build me. Also I am out in CA two or three times a year and stay pretty close to where Rivendell is located. So, I can visit them and test ride a similar frame to what I would be buying. They have 2 55cm's built up and I'm a 52 or 53, so even though It's not my size I can hopefully still get an idea of how it rides. I also really like the De Rosa, but none of the shops I called keep them in stock and if I am going to buy it locally I'd like to be able to take it out for a spin to see how things feel. If I'm dropping over 2k for that frame I might as well send my $ off to Lyon and let him build me something since I couldn't test ride that either and is probably more what I want. That brings me back to the Rivendell and Lyon dilemma. I want a lugged frame that is as light as practical and can fit fenders if I want to use them. I like the Lyon option because for about the same as the Rivendell I am getting something made just for me. However he is relying on the measurements and info I provide to make the correct frame. With the Riv bike I can visit them and let them take my measurements to determine which size Roadeo is the best fit. So I am really confused and am asking here to see which way some of you would go. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Rivendell Roadeo or Other
So I am really confused and am asking here to see which way some of you would go. I recently battled with the same dilemma. If you have the ability to visit Rivendell and take a ride on the bike, that is a great way to go. I did not have that option being in Chicago. I went with a custom Waterford Adventure Cycle. I felt comfortable with the Waterford knowing that Riv has them building for them. In the process of sizing I referred to Riv features, philosophy etc. and they were comfortable with my discussions. I also used a LBS that measured and fit me, he had good credentials, and I was comfortable with him. I neglected to mention the seat tube on the Waterford is 68cm. My PBH is 99, so I'm at a disadvantage when it comes to fit choices. Having said that if I was close enough, or if I had the opportunity to visit Riv, I would have tested a 64cm Bombadil or a 67 or larger Homer. If they still had them in stock, which they didn't, a 68cm Atlantis would have been on my list also. I am awaiting my Waterford hoping it will be all that I imagine, but as I was unable to test one even remotely close in size, I am going on faith. I still wonder if the 64 Bombadil would have been a good fit, but I also feel that for $300 more than the cost of the Bombadil I am receiving a bike built for my specs. Are they apples to apples? Not exactly, but I'm comfortable, and Waterford is about an hours drive from me. Again if I was in your situation definitely check out the Rivendell before you buy. You'll know exactly what you are getting. If you decide against the Rivendell you will know for sure why you decided not to buy the Rivendell. If you decide to buy the Rivendell, you will probably have it much sooner than your custom. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
