date:20100427

and how does everyone feel the Suntour bar ends are compared to the
others?

Do you mean the old power ratchets? I've not used the Dura Aces (or, at
least, I've only used the circa 1976 Dura Aces, but not the more recent ones
-- that's both true and a joke, folks, and you can apply for an explanation
if you like) but compared to the Silvers the PRs are stiffer and less
smooth; that is, they move harder and they tend to bind more. I liked the
PRs a lot, but after I used the Silvers on the new Hillborne, I must say
that they've been outclassed.

Friction shifting: I suppose for those who have grown up with indexing, it
seems quaint, slow, distracting and strange, but if you grew up shifting the
likes of Simplex Delrin, Huret Alvits, SunTour's original whatchamacallems
(tm), and Campy not-quite-R/NR-'cause-you-can't-afford-it, then Silvers are
a revelation of ease and insouciance. It's rather like learning to use pedal
retention, whether for straps or strapless systems: no big deal when you
learn it.

Patrick who has to decide how to shift only one of his five bikes Moore,
since all the rest are ss and fixed, as they ought to be; who is also grimly
and resolutely bottom trimming.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam goes Outside

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:03 AM, TJ Ramb tjs...@gmail.com wrote:


 http://outside.away.com/outside/gear/201005/best-utility-bikes-rivendell-samuel-hillborne.html

 hope this helps - I wouldn't see the mag for a month being in
 Australia .


And they even praise the friction shifting of the Silvers! 
*D-Control*Unlike index shifting, friction shifters (as seen on the
Rivendell) let you control, or trim, the exact position of your
derailleurs—especially handy when you're off riding in the middle of nowhere
and don't want to deal with indexing knocked out of whack by overstretched
cables or road abuse, which will have your gears slipping and singing.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

There is one more thing to say in favor of a racing position; though this
term is really a false one, since it is used by riders who have no thought
whatsoever of racing; and that is that it is in a sense more comfortable for
putting out power if you like to push yourself. The butt-back, lower bar
position (and I am speaking only of a modestly low bar; no attempt at a
truly flat back) feels good because it optimizes weight distribution and
power generation. I often get into my hooks (a mere 4 cm below saddle)
simply for a change of position, or to maintain speed up a slight incline,
wind not the issue. It also in my experience of four Rivendell models, three
customs, brings out the best handling in Grant's long rear-center, shortish
front-center designs. Even my Hillborne, on which I want higher bars for
multi day touring, and the newly brazed and painted Monocog, where I want a
higher position off road, let me get back and low simply by riding the hooks
and bending my elbows. I've found excessively high bars unweight the front
end too much and make it feel unstable; my Hillborne bars are about 1 cm
above saddle, those of the Monocog (with a longer cockpit even than the H)
about 2 cm above versus the 4-5 cm above that the Hillborne was originally
set up with on the Riv floor. (I have the old floor model.) And I have short
arms.

So, I'd suggest a position that, while it lets you straighten up, also does
not deprive you of that wonderful butt-back, arms low and lightly resting on
the bars position that PJW among others describes.

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[RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

Thanks.  and yes it is a 47 cm. I am impressed with the Saluki.  Dave
at Riv told me that there is really no difference between the Saluki
and the A Homer Hilsen.  Cal

On Apr 26, 1:10 pm, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote:
 Great bike!  Is that a 47cm?  I have to say my saluki is one of my
 favorite bikes to ride.

 On Apr 26, 12:39 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:





  Maybe in Latin?

  On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Frederick, Steve 

  frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote:
    Good point!  I don't think abandoned kitten found on a country road,
   would fit on a headbadge anyway...

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   *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:
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   *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

   cat-dog collabo!

   On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Frederick, Steve 
   frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote:

    Here's the inspiration for that color, for what it's worth...at least,
   the inspiration for me to ask Grant to come up with the color when I 
   ordered
   my Saluki from the first batch...my good friend Grub!

  http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4070/4376997200_226832d7ab.jpghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/32586...@n03/4376997200/sizes/m/http://www.flickr.com/photos/32586...@n03/4376997200/http://www.flickr.com/photos/32586...@n03/4376997200/

   Steve

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    That butterscotch Saluki is my favorite color!

   On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Justin August 
   justinaug...@gmail.comwrote:

   How do you like the SRAM levers?

   On Apr 26, 1:10 am, Calm54 mukum...@gmail.com wrote:
My Saluki arrive from Rivendell.  I bought one of the frame
specials.

Pics at :  http://gallery.me.com/calmhappy1954#100129

Boy it is a comfortable ride...

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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

My hobbies are fly-fishing for Trout on rivers and outdoor
photography.  I really understand the bamboo rod experience.  Now that
is something I could get into...

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 You're an all-steel, tweed, canvas and shellac kind of guy/girl. Has
 owning a Rivendell opened you up to new hobbies?

 I've always been a fly-fisherman. Last summer, I took a week-long
 class in the Catskills and built my own bamboo fly rod. I'm hooked now
 (hell yes, pun intended!)

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[RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

The brandywine is nice!

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 I like it okay, but that Brandywine Red is what I'm going for when my sage 
 green one needs a re-do.

  http://cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc307-iankersey0507.html

 
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[RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

The SRAM levers are good.  They are easier to grab.  I also have the
interrupters on the bar.  I am not sure I would have gotten them after
knowing how easy the SRAMS are to grab.

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 How do you like the SRAM levers?

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  My Saluki arrive from Rivendell.  I bought one of the frame
  specials.

  Pics at :  http://gallery.me.com/calmhappy1954#100129

  Boy it is a comfortable ride...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:32 PM, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I also have significant reservations about the heavy wheels
 comments.  Anyone with a trainer can try this out: Rack each bike up
 on the trainer, disengage the drag mechanism, and pedal.  Put on some
 load and then pedal again.  See?  The difference in wheel weight gets
 overwhelmed into noise when an actual, realistic load is factored in.

 Not when you are climbing; the difference between a heavy wheel and a light
one is amazing. Perhaps I notice the difference more because I ride fixed
mostly and I have to stand to climb many hills. My two custom Rivs' light
559 or 571 (1550 gram for the commuter) wheelsets are amazingly different
from even the modestly beefy Alex/IRC Tandem 30s 622 wheeset of the
Motobecane fixed gear. And as for the 900+ gram (each) Big Apples and 780
gram (each) SnoCat S(uper) L(ight)s rims, I can tell you that climbing a 1/2
mile, steepish hill against a stiff wind is .

OTOH, you do notice how heavy wheels maintain their speed better on flats
(tho' the 65 mm actual BAs really, truly, do act as sails in the wind:
sidewinds and headwinds).

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Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

2010-04-27 Thread Anne Paulson

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:29 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:


 Not when you are climbing; the difference between a heavy wheel and a light
 one is amazing.

This is going to be truer for a person riding a fixie, or a person
(like me) who rides a geared bike but doesn't pedal smoothly. Slowing
down and speeding up that wheel is going to take a lot of energy. The
smooth pedaller doesn't have that problem.

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Interesting analysis; so it's the surging that brings out the advantage of
a light wheel on a climb. I do notice that I tend to surge and, when on a
fixed gear, even while sitting, if you are pedaling at a slow rpm, the bike
tends to momentarily slow, then speed up as you pedal. I shall have to try
climbing on the Sam Hill in a low gear (I tend not to downshift for climbs
except when heavily loaded.)

Still, as Aristotle said, we know the mean from the extremes, and if you
compare the Monocog's wheels with very light ones, I'll bet my two custom
made cycling hats that even with gears as low as you please, you'd find the
lighter wheel easier to get up the hill.

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On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:29 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com
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Not when you are climbing; the difference between a heavy wheel and a
light
one is amazing.

This is going to be truer for a person riding a fixie, or a person
(like me) who rides a geared bike but doesn't pedal smoothly. Slowing
down and speeding up that wheel is going to take a lot of energy. The
smooth pedaller doesn't have that problem.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread Rob Harrison


On Apr 26, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Phil Brown wrote:


Photography with a Leica.


I'm trying to sell my Leica MP to finance a Rivendell...! I'll keep my  
OM-1md though, faithful foto friend ever since 1976.


This is a great thread--what an interesting bunch y'all are!

Rob in Seattle


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Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

I'll chime in: I don't have any real hobbies except cycling, though I have
interests; but I do cook my own food, buying mostly basic, unprocessed
ingredients. (Well, cheese; wine, salami ... ok, not so much ...) I tend not
to cook for myself, but when Catie is with me, it's pancakes, waffles, home
made french fries, home made spaghetti, ditto mac 'n' cheese, even pizza and
bread when I'm not lazy.

Oh, and I write resumes from scratch, too. (Amazing and, almost without any
tongue in cheek, frightening, how our best and brightest -- I write mostly
for second tiers: Senior VPs, Regional Directors, those who report to the
C-levels -- cannot, I don't say merely write, but conceptualize clearly
enough to put ideas down in an intelligible fashion, that is, apart from
business buzz words which, as with Newspeak, act less to transmit ideas than
to initiate emotional and imaginative reactions while bypassing the through
process. Anyway, I change that shit into English, using both composition and
creative fiction skills. Pretty Bobbish/Rivendellish imo.)

Patrick leverage optimum conceptualizing factors to initiate innovative,
real-time data transmission strategies for maximizing end-user response
Moore

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On Apr 26, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Phil Brown wrote:

Photography with a Leica.

I'm trying to sell my Leica MP to finance a Rivendell...! I'll keep my
OM-1md though, faithful foto friend ever since 1976.

This is a great thread--what an interesting bunch y'all are!

Rob in Seattle

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[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

2010-04-27 Thread Earl Grey

Not sure this helps, but I find that some bikes make me want to ride
faster than others. So it's not (necessarily) that they ARE much
faster, but they beg to be ridden hard, to use a cliche. My Indy Fab
Planet X is like that, to the point that it's actually difficult to
ride it slowly. Probably a combination of position (low bars) and
flexy frame (tigged 853). See 
http://cyclofiend.com/cx/2009/cx054-gernothuber1209.html

Perhaps light weight also contributes, not because it is that much
faster, but because it responds more immediately to rider input, thus
giving more direct positive reinforcement for pushing harder?

My Sam with higher bars (and stiffer tubing?) on the other hand seems
to encourage a more moderate pace. See 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150...@n08/4424231067/

So if it's frame flex and light weight that encourage pushing hard,
you may need a different frame (terraferma?). If bar position is a big
factor, perhaps your Sam will be fine. Get some Cypres tires, lower
the bars, and see what happens. You can always raise the bars partway
through a century, since you have a threaded stem... :)

Gernot


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 There is one more thing to say in favor of a racing position; though this
 term is really a false one, since it is used by riders who have no thought
 whatsoever of racing; and that is that it is in a sense more comfortable for
 putting out power if you like to push yourself. The butt-back, lower bar
 position (and I am speaking only of a modestly low bar; no attempt at a
 truly flat back) feels good because it optimizes weight distribution and
 power generation. I often get into my hooks (a mere 4 cm below saddle)
 simply for a change of position, or to maintain speed up a slight incline,
 wind not the issue. It also in my experience of four Rivendell models, three
 customs, brings out the best handling in Grant's long rear-center, shortish
 front-center designs. Even my Hillborne, on which I want higher bars for
 multi day touring, and the newly brazed and painted Monocog, where I want a
 higher position off road, let me get back and low simply by riding the hooks
 and bending my elbows. I've found excessively high bars unweight the front
 end too much and make it feel unstable; my Hillborne bars are about 1 cm
 above saddle, those of the Monocog (with a longer cockpit even than the H)
 about 2 cm above versus the 4-5 cm above that the Hillborne was originally
 set up with on the Riv floor. (I have the old floor model.) And I have short
 arms.

 So, I'd suggest a position that, while it lets you straighten up, also does
 not deprive you of that wonderful butt-back, arms low and lightly resting on
 the bars position that PJW among others describes.

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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

Had thought of selling my Leica M4-P a while ago.  However, it's been
through enough that it's not worth much anymore.  Including damage
about a decade or so ago that required about a half hour of work to
get the base plate back on.  Still works.

As for instruments - besides acoustic guitars, own a couple of
mandolins, a uke, a banjo and a guitar-banjo.  Mostly playing old-time
stringband music.

However, most of my hobby time these days is centered around bikes and
trying to lose some more weight.  (Which is also Riv-inspired as Grant
has been pushing me to do so.)

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Apr 27, 1:25 am, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Apr 26, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Phil Brown wrote:

  Photography with a Leica.

 I'm trying to sell my Leica MP to finance a Rivendell...! I'll keep my  
 OM-1md though, faithful foto friend ever since 1976.

 This is a great thread--what an interesting bunch y'all are!

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[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

Am going to support Patrick on this. On my two main bikes, on an
average ride, the speed is about the same. But on a ride with
significant climbing (for me), the Surly LHT with 26 wheels and
Schwalbe Big Apple 2.0 is definitely slower. Believe the tires alone
are about a half pound heavier than the 700x40 Marathon Supremes on
the Sam Hillborne.

Both bikes are set up pretty similarly, with bars 2 to 4cm above the
saddle.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Apr 27, 1:41 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting analysis; so it's the surging that brings out the advantage of
a light wheel on a climb. I do notice that I tend to surge and, when on a
fixed gear, even while sitting, if you are pedaling at a slow rpm, the bike
tends to momentarily slow, then speed up as you pedal. I shall have to try
climbing on the Sam Hill in a low gear (I tend not to downshift for climbs
except when heavily loaded.)

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote:

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:29 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com
wrote:

Not when you are climbing; the difference between a heavy wheel and a
light
one is amazing.

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Highrider front rack vs. Big Front Rack vs. Low Riders

2010-04-27 Thread JoelMatthews

I have Tubus Tara lowriders for long touring and use the Pass Stow
rack for city and short trips.

Having the flat top is very handy for multiple stop short rides.  I
have a nice Swift bag that sits nicely on top. When I make multiple
stops at the bakery, produce store, and other stores it is very easy
to access the bag.

On long tours where I am only accessing my gear in the a.m. and p.m.,
the Tara is better.  It holds the bags low and out of the way.  There
is minimal impact on steering and road feel.  Panniers hold onto the
low rider very tight.

I use a bar bag for maps, snacks, my wallet and phone.

On Apr 26, 11:57 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
 Does anybody have any experience comparing these three?

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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread Patrick in VT

On Apr 27, 8:28 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:
 As for instruments - besides acoustic guitars, own a couple of
 mandolins, a uke, a banjo and a guitar-banjo.  Mostly playing old-time
 stringband music.

Eric - between Hiawatha and the twin-city acoustic music scene, you're
bases are pretty well covered, huh?!

Have you ever been to Hans Brentrup's shop in Minneapolis?   Very
talented luthier - he built my F5.

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[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

2010-04-27 Thread Bill M.



On Apr 26, 6:29 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote:

 ..1.5-3 mph slower really?  So an
 extra thirty minutes on average to finish a 100 mile ride. That's
 about as much time as it takes to eat some bananas and bagels at the
 end of the ride and could mean something to you, I don't know but I
 seriously doubt you would be that much slower over that distance. I'll
 bet your riding pals being in poorer shape won't last and you will
 pass them 1/2 way through a century, regardless of what bike you ride.
 Lower bar, tight clothes, lighter wheels/tires and strip off any
 extras but personally I'd only change the tires and enjoy my ride and
 probably stop on the way for a beer too.

That's fine, if you like riding alone.  OTOH, getting dropped by a
group and trudging home alone is not what everyone considers fun.  And
if the group sticks together and you're alone, you'll never see your
riding partners again.  Or (as happens with my club), they stop and
wait for you, and start again when you catch up.  They take rests, you
don't, and you get more and more fatigued.  Repeat that over 60 miles
and you'll wind up as dead as I felt on Sunday...

For the original poster - ditch all of the weight you can, use a
lighter set of wheels with fewer spokes and light and fast tires.  Use
a tighter cassette, too, something like an 11-21 or 12-23.  Having all
of the intermediate cogs is good when you're going as hard as you
can.  A slightly more forward position may help.  Wear tightish, non-
parachutey clothing.  And start saving up for a dedicated go-fast, so
that your Sam can be left to do those things it does best.

Bill


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[RBW] Habits that compliment your Rivendell Lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread dally

I have been team roping for decades, play clawhammer banjo, some
mandolin, running, kayaking, camping, getting old and trying to stay
active.
Roger Skallerud

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RE: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

2010-04-27 Thread Frederick, Steve

Fastest season I ever had was the year I spent a few weeks early in the summer 
helping a buddy roof his house.  Full tear off and re-decking, too.  That's a 
core building workout right there!  If you want to be faster on the bike, roof 
a house

Steve Frederick, East Lansing MI

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[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

2010-04-27 Thread Cycletex

When I need to speed up my Quickbeam I simply switch out the tires
from 37c Paselas to 28c or maybe 32c Paselas. Lighter tires equal less
rolling weight, quicker acceleration and a bit easier time on steep
hills. Not being able to compensate with rolling gear changes on the
QB accentuates the difference in tire changes. It's kinda amazing how
different the bike feels with lighter tires and no other changes.

On Apr 26, 11:10 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
 Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my
 bones over.  I'm new to this type of bicycle.

 I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible.  I have a
 slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and
 I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less
 fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including
 my old Roubaix).  I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course
 than I was on road bike.  I've never been a racer but I really don't
 want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the
 difference with pure horsepower.  I'm planning on a second bike to
 take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away.

 So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam?  Wheels?  Tires?
 I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues.  And if it just
 can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until
 I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job.

 D.G.

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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread Tim McNamara


Other hobbies besides bicycling?  What do you mean?

I kid.  My other main avocational interest is playing guitar, mostly  
jazz and Grateful Dead music, a little blues (electric and  
fingerstyle).  I started studying guitar in 1978 and got serious  
about it in 1979 and had jazz lessons until 1986 or so.  Then I  
didn't now anyone who played jazz after moving to St. Paul so I just  
diddled around in my living room with it.  Two years ago I  
fortuitously discovered an ongoing jazz workshop in Minneapolis,  
which has been in action for over 30 years.  I have been going for  
the past couple of years and maintain a blog about the workshop:


http://mplsjazzworkshop.blogspot.com/

Although on a time-spent basis my wife would insist that my main  
hobby is frittering away time on the interwebs.  She might not be  
wrong.  Look, I've done it again!


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Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread Ken Freeman

I guess I don't really have a Riv style, save liking good comfortable steel
sport-toury bikes that don't lean me over too far. But, complementary
hobbies:

Fountain pens - Sheaffers, Parkers, Pelikans
Tube Audio: Mac, Eico, and Dynaco vintage tube stereo stuff, even some
Harmon Kardon Citation.
Classical guitar playing
Choral singing

I really like high-tech cars, too. And there's not much higher-tech car
than a Prius, nor greener to run.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote:

On Apr 27, 8:28 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:
As for instruments - besides acoustic guitars, own a couple of
mandolins, a uke, a banjo and a guitar-banjo. Mostly playing old-time
stringband music.

Eric - between Hiawatha and the twin-city acoustic music scene, you're
bases are pretty well covered, huh?!

Have you ever been to Hans Brentrup's shop in Minneapolis? Very
talented luthier - he built my F5.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

2010-04-27 Thread cyclotourist

I'm pretty sure you just described planing. Your IF works perfectly with
your power and riding style (and it looks mahvelous, dahlink). What a great
combo for you!

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:00 AM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote:

Not sure this helps, but I find that some bikes make me want to ride
faster than others. So it's not (necessarily) that they ARE much
faster, but they beg to be ridden hard, to use a cliche. My Indy Fab
Planet X is like that, to the point that it's actually difficult to
ride it slowly. Probably a combination of position (low bars) and
flexy frame (tigged 853). See
http://cyclofiend.com/cx/2009/cx054-gernothuber1209.html

Perhaps light weight also contributes, not because it is that much
faster, but because it responds more immediately to rider input, thus
giving more direct positive reinforcement for pushing harder?

My Sam with higher bars (and stiffer tubing?) on the other hand seems
to encourage a more moderate pace. See
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150...@n08/4424231067/

So if it's frame flex and light weight that encourage pushing hard,
you may need a different frame (terraferma?). If bar position is a big
factor, perhaps your Sam will be fine. Get some Cypres tires, lower
the bars, and see what happens. You can always raise the bars partway
through a century, since you have a threaded stem... :)

Gernot

On Apr 27, 1:24 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
There is one more thing to say in favor of a racing position; though
this
term is really a false one, since it is used by riders who have no
thought
whatsoever of racing; and that is that it is in a sense more comfortable
for
putting out power if you like to push yourself. The butt-back, lower bar
position (and I am speaking only of a modestly low bar; no attempt at a
truly flat back) feels good because it optimizes weight distribution and
power generation. I often get into my hooks (a mere 4 cm below saddle)
simply for a change of position, or to maintain speed up a slight
incline,
wind not the issue. It also in my experience of four Rivendell models,
three
customs, brings out the best handling in Grant's long rear-center,
shortish
front-center designs. Even my Hillborne, on which I want higher bars for
multi day touring, and the newly brazed and painted Monocog, where I want
a
higher position off road, let me get back and low simply by riding the
hooks
and bending my elbows. I've found excessively high bars unweight the
front
end too much and make it feel unstable; my Hillborne bars are about 1 cm
above saddle, those of the Monocog (with a longer cockpit even than the
H)
about 2 cm above versus the 4-5 cm above that the Hillborne was
originally
set up with on the Riv floor. (I have the old floor model.) And I have
short
arms.

So, I'd suggest a position that, while it lets you straighten up, also
does
not deprive you of that wonderful butt-back, arms low and lightly resting
on
the bars position that PJW among others describes.

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[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

2010-04-27 Thread stevep33

You describe what is called an f**k you stop.  The faster group
stops to rest only long enough to let you catch up and then the group
starts of quickly before you've had any rest. Not considerate.  I know
it in the context of hiking, but it could apply to cycling too.

On Apr 27, 9:25 am, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote:
 On Apr 26, 6:29 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote:


 That's fine, if you like riding alone.  OTOH, getting dropped by a
 group and trudging home alone is not what everyone considers fun.  And
 if the group sticks together and you're alone, you'll never see your
 riding partners again.  Or (as happens with my club), they stop and
 wait for you, and start again when you catch up.  They take rests, you
 don't, and you get more and more fatigued.  Repeat that over 60 miles
 and you'll wind up as dead as I felt on Sunday...



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Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

2010-04-27 Thread Bill Connell

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:31 AM, stevep33 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
 You describe what is called an f**k you stop.  The faster group
 stops to rest only long enough to let you catch up and then the group
 starts of quickly before you've had any rest. Not considerate.  I know
 it in the context of hiking, but it could apply to cycling too.

I've been on both sides of that, it's a tough spot. Sympathies wane
when it's 3am and you're still. not. home. yet. (been there, last
year)

As for the OP's issue, i agree with Jim on trying different tires
first, different wheels second. If you're climbing a lot, lighter
wheels will help, otherwise not so much. A somewhat more upright and
more comfortable position can certainly slow you a bit, but that may
be a worthy compromise averaged over a century, given the reduced
fatigue and ability to maintain speed later in the ride.

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[RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

2010-04-27 Thread happyriding

Hi,

On Apr 26, 8:47 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I like it okay, but that Brandywine Red is what I'm going for when my sage 
 green one needs a re-do.

  http://cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc307-iankersey0507.html

What rear derailleur is that?

Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

2010-04-27 Thread Bruce

Huret Jubilee rear derailleur (long cage)




From: happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com
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Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 10:10:00 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

Hi,

On Apr 26, 8:47 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I like it okay, but that Brandywine Red is what I'm going for when my sage 
 green one needs a re-do.

  http://cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc307-iankersey0507.html

What rear derailleur is that?

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

2010-04-27 Thread JoelMatthews

An increasingly hard to find, and quite lovely, Huret Jubilee.  Made
from the mid-70s through the early '80s.

http://www.disraeligears.co.uk/Site/Huret_Jubilee_%282248%29_derailleur.html

On Apr 27, 10:10 am, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi,

 On Apr 26, 8:47 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:

  I like it okay, but that Brandywine Red is what I'm going for when my sage 
  green one needs a re-do.

   http://cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc307-iankersey0507.html

 What rear derailleur is that?

 Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread Justin August

I listen to records a fair amount.

I am also becoming obsessed with coffee. My friend documents his
(over) obsession at BitterPress.com but I'm just in search of the
easiest method of creation. I need a handcrank grinder.

On Apr 27, 10:09 am, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.com wrote:
 I guess I don't really have a Riv style, save liking good comfortable steel
 sport-toury bikes that don't lean me over too far.  But, complementary
 hobbies:

 Fountain pens - Sheaffers, Parkers, Pelikans
 Tube Audio:  Mac, Eico, and Dynaco vintage tube stereo stuff, even some
 Harmon Kardon Citation.
 Classical guitar playing
 Choral singing

 I really like high-tech cars, too.  And there's not much higher-tech car
 than a Prius, nor greener to run.

 On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote:





  On Apr 27, 8:28 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:
   As for instruments - besides acoustic guitars, own a couple of
   mandolins, a uke, a banjo and a guitar-banjo.  Mostly playing old-time
   stringband music.

  Eric - between Hiawatha and the twin-city acoustic music scene, you're
  bases are pretty well covered, huh?!

  Have you ever been to Hans Brentrup's shop in Minneapolis?   Very
  talented luthier - he built my F5.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread Ken Freeman

Handcrank grinder - hmmm a little upper body and arm work ...

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.comwrote:

I listen to records a fair amount.

I am also becoming obsessed with coffee. My friend documents his
(over) obsession at BitterPress.com but I'm just in search of the
easiest method of creation. I need a handcrank grinder.

On Apr 27, 10:09 am, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.com wrote:
I guess I don't really have a Riv style, save liking good comfortable
steel
sport-toury bikes that don't lean me over too far. But, complementary
hobbies:

Fountain pens - Sheaffers, Parkers, Pelikans
Tube Audio: Mac, Eico, and Dynaco vintage tube stereo stuff, even some
Harmon Kardon Citation.
Classical guitar playing
Choral singing

I really like high-tech cars, too. And there's not much higher-tech car
than a Prius, nor greener to run.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote:

Eric - between Hiawatha and the twin-city acoustic music scene, you're
bases are pretty well covered, huh?!

Have you ever been to Hans Brentrup's shop in Minneapolis? Very
talented luthier - he built my F5.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

Too complicated; like indexed shifting. What you really want is a steel
mortar and pestle.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.comwrote:

Handcrank grinder - hmmm a little upper body and arm work ...

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.comwrote:

I listen to records a fair amount.

I am also becoming obsessed with coffee. My friend documents his
(over) obsession at BitterPress.com but I'm just in search of the
easiest method of creation. I need a handcrank grinder.

Fountain pens - Sheaffers, Parkers, Pelikans
Tube Audio: Mac, Eico, and Dynaco vintage tube stereo stuff, even some
Harmon Kardon Citation.
Classical guitar playing
Choral singing

I really like high-tech cars, too. And there's not much higher-tech car
than a Prius, nor greener to run.

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Eric - between Hiawatha and the twin-city acoustic music scene, you're
bases are pretty well covered, huh?!

Have you ever been to Hans Brentrup's shop in Minneapolis? Very
talented luthier - he built my F5.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread Ken Freeman

Would you recommend 531 or Columbus?

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:41 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

Too complicated; like indexed shifting. What you really want is a steel
mortar and pestle.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.comwrote:

Handcrank grinder - hmmm a little upper body and arm work ...

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Justin August
justinaug...@gmail.comwrote:

I listen to records a fair amount.

I am also becoming obsessed with coffee. My friend documents his
(over) obsession at BitterPress.com but I'm just in search of the
easiest method of creation. I need a handcrank grinder.

Fountain pens - Sheaffers, Parkers, Pelikans
Tube Audio: Mac, Eico, and Dynaco vintage tube stereo stuff, even some
Harmon Kardon Citation.
Classical guitar playing
Choral singing

I really like high-tech cars, too. And there's not much higher-tech
car
than a Prius, nor greener to run.

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Eric - between Hiawatha and the twin-city acoustic music scene,
you're
bases are pretty well covered, huh?!

Have you ever been to Hans Brentrup's shop in Minneapolis? Very
talented luthier - he built my F5.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

My mother has a 10 lb, 5 inner diameter mortar with matching pestle (~3lb)
both machined from solid stainless steel billet in Pakistan. I am careful
not to drop either on my foot. I've used it for coffee, but prefer a cheap
Braun grinder. Talk about heirloom quality!

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.comwrote:

Would you recommend 531 or Columbus?

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:41 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.comwrote:

Too complicated; like indexed shifting. What you really want is a steel
mortar and pestle.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.comwrote:

Handcrank grinder - hmmm a little upper body and arm work ...

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Justin August
justinaug...@gmail.comwrote:

I listen to records a fair amount.

I am also becoming obsessed with coffee. My friend documents his
(over) obsession at BitterPress.com but I'm just in search of the
easiest method of creation. I need a handcrank grinder.

Fountain pens - Sheaffers, Parkers, Pelikans
Tube Audio: Mac, Eico, and Dynaco vintage tube stereo stuff, even
some
Harmon Kardon Citation.
Classical guitar playing
Choral singing

I really like high-tech cars, too. And there's not much higher-tech
car
than a Prius, nor greener to run.

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wrote:

Eric - between Hiawatha and the twin-city acoustic music scene,
you're
bases are pretty well covered, huh?!

Have you ever been to Hans Brentrup's shop in Minneapolis? Very
talented luthier - he built my F5.

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[RBW] Atlantis does Texas Hill Country

2010-04-27 Thread jose

Just did the first proper ride on the new Atlantis this weekend in the
Texas Hill Country, near Pedernales Falls.  Here are a few shots:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/southgatephotos/sets/72157623939501636/

I continue to be impressed with these big honkin Schwalbe Extremes.
They sure take some of the bump out of these trails, and roll fast
enough on the road. Pretty light for what they are.

This longhorn wasn't too keen on the leather saddle though:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/southgatephotos/4556383144/in/set-72157623939501636/

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Re: [RBW] Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread Tom Norwood

Lots of guitar players! I have beautiful Martin HD28V that sounds pretty
amazing despite my lack of skill.

Not sure if this is a hobby, but that first interview with Mark Sission in
the Rivendell Reader set me off on a whole new trajectory that includes:
Paleo diet, barefoot running, MovNat, and Parkour. I actually ride less
than I used to as a direct result of that interview, but still love it. I’m
just a bit more balanced in my fitness these days.
Tom

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Bridgestone alancr...@mac.com wrote:

You're an all-steel, tweed, canvas and shellac kind of guy/girl. Has
owning a Rivendell opened you up to new hobbies?

I've always been a fly-fisherman. Last summer, I took a week-long
class in the Catskills and built my own bamboo fly rod. I'm hooked now
(hell yes, pun intended!)

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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread Brad Gantt

Okay, so it sounds like we might have the makings of a Rivendell fly-
fishing overnight. I too like to wave a stick around whilst standing
in a river, play guitar (Taylor) and hand drums (djembe, etc.). I also
enjoy climbing, backpacking and sea kayaking as well as an occasional
surf (longboard), craft beers and making new things out of old things.
Now if only there were more time in a day...

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[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

2010-04-27 Thread Darin G.

Okay, many great suggestions here and I appreciate the attention to
the topic.  I think many of the observations about obsessing less with
how long it takes and enjoying the activity are appropriate.  I
typically don't ride with others.  Its usually just me out there
listening to the meadowlarks, feeling the wind and carrying on an
intense internal conversation with my multiple personalities. Speed on
such a journey is irrelevant.  When the opportunity to ride with
others does come up, however, no one wants to be the heel that makes
everyone wait or blows up trying to keep up, especially when you're
ostensibly the stronger rider.

For now I will swap the tires for the event rides (looking at the
Grand Bois 28s) and remove the rear rack.  I am also looking into a
lighter wheelset, including some that were  mentioned in this thread,
which will end up on the theoretical zippy bike of the future.

I did receive a phone call from my ride companion last night saying
that he was completely wasted from our recent sluggish and casual ride
and wondering how I could go that far.  Smug satisfaction taken.

And for the record:  I do not presently, and never have, wore
parachute pants.

D.G.

On Apr 26, 10:10 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
 Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my
 bones over.  I'm new to this type of bicycle.

 I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible.  I have a
 slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and
 I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less
 fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including
 my old Roubaix).  I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course
 than I was on road bike.  I've never been a racer but I really don't
 want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the
 difference with pure horsepower.  I'm planning on a second bike to
 take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away.

 So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam?  Wheels?  Tires?
 I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues.  And if it just
 can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until
 I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job.

 D.G.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

2010-04-27 Thread Sean Whelan

Owning a versatile bicycle with 2 very different wheelsets can be a great joy 
in life.

I ride a Cyclocross bike most of the time. When I am touring or towing my son 
in the trailer or pothole dodging, I have some Pasela Tourguard 35s on 32 spoke 
Mavic rims. When I am climbing the hills on a group ride or a century, I have a 
set of Campagnolo Vento Wheels w/ 23mm Vittoria tires.

Same bike. Two personalities.

I wish I could leave work right now and go ride right now. It has the fast 
wheels on.

cheers,
Sean
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From: Darin G. dbg...@mac.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 1:25 PM

Okay, many great suggestions here and I appreciate the attention to
the topic.  I think many of the observations about obsessing less with
how long it takes and enjoying the activity are appropriate.  I
typically don't ride with others.  Its usually just me out there
listening to the meadowlarks, feeling the wind and carrying on an
intense internal conversation with my multiple personalities. Speed on
such a journey is irrelevant.  When the opportunity to ride with
others does come up, however, no one wants to be the heel that makes
everyone wait or blows up trying to keep up, especially when you're
ostensibly the stronger rider.

For now I will swap the tires for the event rides (looking at the
Grand Bois 28s) and remove the rear rack.  I am also looking into a
lighter wheelset, including some that were  mentioned in this thread,
which will end up on the theoretical zippy bike of the future.

I did receive a phone call from my ride companion last night saying
that he was completely wasted from our recent sluggish and casual ride
and wondering how I could go that far.  Smug satisfaction taken.

And for the record:  I do not presently, and never have, wore
parachute pants.

D.G.

On Apr 26, 10:10 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
 Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my
 bones over.  I'm new to this type of bicycle.

 I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible.  I have a
 slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and
 I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less
 fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including
 my old Roubaix).  I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course
 than I was on road bike.  I've never been a racer but I really don't
 want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the
 difference with pure horsepower.  I'm planning on a second bike to
 take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away.

 So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam?  Wheels?  Tires?
 I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues.  And if it just
 can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until
 I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job.

 D.G.

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Highrider front rack vs. Big Front Rack vs. Low Riders

2010-04-27 Thread LouisvillePatrick

Hey Rene (Forgive the mis-spelling...again),

For my 64cm Bomba, WITH 46mm Marathons, I had to go with the Old Man
Mountain Ultimate Low Rider.  Can't beat it.  I used it riding across
Wisconsin last summer fully loaded and it was a champ.  It's the only
front system I could find short of the NItto big front rack that would
clear my fattest touring tire.  Every other front rack either wouldn't
meet the eyelets correctly (and there are like 5678 eyelets on Bomba
forks) or the deck rubbed the tire.

And the OMM guys are great to work with!  Shoot me a note offline if
you want more info...

Cheers!

Patrick
Louisville, Kentucky



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 Does anybody have any experience comparing these three?

 René

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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread bfd



On Apr 26, 4:35 pm, Steve sring...@gmail.com wrote:
 Keeping my fleet of antique Volvos on the road for use when the Riv is
 best left in the garage.  My website helps you get your Volvo to a
 million miles or beyond:http://www.brickboard.com/FAQ/700-900/
 Steve

Volvos? Ha, I'm a BMW guy :) Seriously, and I didn't know if this is
off-topic, but working on cars, in general, is becoming rare and
possibly a hobby that compliments the Riv lifestyle, whatever that
is:). The complexity of today's cars plus the lack of interest by kids
makes working on them seem obsolete. Nevertheless, basic things like
brake jobs, tune-ups and other minor work can still be done by the
DIY. I guess most people take their cars to dealers? At the least they
should find a good independent.

Further, I was recently talking with a couple of friends about the
value of good tools. We were discussing Snap-on versus Craftsman or
other similar tools and the importance of a lifetime guarantee.
However, one friend mentioned that kids today don't value tools and
rather settle for junk ones from China because its cheaper. I guess
they haven't worked on something and have a bolt or nut stripped or
the tool break because of the poor quality of the tool. Too bad, as I
think a good tool, be it Snap-on, Craftman, Park or even Campy, OK,
maybe not that $300 chain tool :(, is essential and worth every cent!


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[RBW] Re: Nitto Highrider front rack vs. Big Front Rack vs. Low Riders

2010-04-27 Thread JoelMatthews

The OMM is a good rack.  However, the Tara fit over 700c 60 mm Big
Apples for me.

On Apr 27, 12:34 pm, LouisvillePatrick flightofthebomba...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Hey Rene (Forgive the mis-spelling...again),

 For my 64cm Bomba, WITH 46mm Marathons, I had to go with the Old Man
 Mountain Ultimate Low Rider.  Can't beat it.  I used it riding across
 Wisconsin last summer fully loaded and it was a champ.  It's the only
 front system I could find short of the NItto big front rack that would
 clear my fattest touring tire.  Every other front rack either wouldn't
 meet the eyelets correctly (and there are like 5678 eyelets on Bomba
 forks) or the deck rubbed the tire.

 And the OMM guys are great to work with!  Shoot me a note offline if
 you want more info...

 Cheers!

 Patrick
 Louisville, Kentucky

 On Apr 27, 12:57 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:

  Does anybody have any experience comparing these three?

  René

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis does Texas Hill Country

2010-04-27 Thread happyriding

Beautiful pictures.  Thanks.

On Apr 27, 10:58 am, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just did the first proper ride on the new Atlantis this weekend in the
 Texas Hill Country, near Pedernales Falls.  Here are a few shots:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/southgatephotos/sets/72157623939501636/

 I continue to be impressed with these big honkin Schwalbe Extremes.
 They sure take some of the bump out of these trails, and roll fast
 enough on the road. Pretty light for what they are.

 This longhorn wasn't too keen on the leather saddle though:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/southgatephotos/4556383144/in/set-721576...

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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread kps

hi justin,
i'm into coffee too... i just bought a handcrank grinder that i'm
quite happy with for grinding
my morning brew. it's the Hario Skerton (i think Skerton was
originally supposed to read Skeleton
but it got translated as Skerton).  it's something of a ritual,
grinding the beans each morning, for my one mug of daily coffee.
i enjoy it.  one of our local coffee shops (Crema) turned me on to the
grinder.  it's perfect for my needs.  you might check it out, too?
takes a bit of adjustment to find the right grind, but once you do,
you're set!
-k
PS:  i should also mention (as others have done) that my interests/
hobbies have been with me from before my finding Rivendell, but they
all do
complement each other.  i'll say again, i really appreciate this group
for the myriad interests represented.  Thanks to Grant and his fine
folks (and you, too,
Jim for hosting this site) for bringing us all together!



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 I listen to records a fair amount.

 I am also becoming obsessed with coffee. My friend documents his
 (over) obsession at BitterPress.com but I'm just in search of the
 easiest method of creation. I need a handcrank grinder.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread Bruce

So, rig up an electric grinder on the sturdy rack:  
http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/gamoh-cargo-rack/20-028

power the grinder with this: 
http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/suntour-dynamo-wheel/18-275

And carry the supplies 
here:http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-saddlesack-small/20-131






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To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 1:08:25 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

hi justin,
i'm into coffee too... i just bought a handcrank grinder that i'm
quite happy with for grinding
my morning brew.



  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread andrew hill

maybe you could adapt something like this:
http://bikeblender.com/

;)

-andrew

On Apr 27, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Bruce wrote:

 So, rig up an electric grinder on the sturdy rack:  
 http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/gamoh-cargo-rack/20-028
 
 power the grinder with this: 
 http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/suntour-dynamo-wheel/18-275
 
 And carry the supplies here: 
 http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-saddlesack-small/20-131
 
 
 From: kps kshe...@gmail.com
 To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 1:08:25 PM
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle
 
 hi justin,
 i'm into coffee too... i just bought a handcrank grinder that i'm
 quite happy with for grinding
 my morning brew.
 
 
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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread soapscum

Other hobbies:

I brew beer. It's good, too! Bonus! I have my own IPA recipe I call
Longball IPA that I hope to enter in competition this year, if I
don't drink it all. I sail; I share a little 22' catalina with a
friend. We keep her moored on Puget Sound. I tinker, lately with
arrays of leds and low voltage electricity. So, really the perfect day
is (Riv content!): ride the Hillborne out to Shilshole Marina, with a
stop at the Fremont Brewing Company, sail all afternoon, ride to The
Sloop for a post-sail libation, ride home. I play guitar once in a
while too, and I'm finally going to pick up Irish fiddle this year.
Life is good.


On Apr 27, 11:26 am, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote:
 maybe you could adapt something like this:http://bikeblender.com/

 ;)

 -andrew

 On Apr 27, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Bruce wrote:



  So, rig up an electric grinder on the sturdy rack:  
  http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/gamoh-cargo-rack/20-028

  power the grinder with 
  this:http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/suntour-dynamo-wheel/18-275

  And carry the supplies 
  here:http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-saddlesack-small/20-131

  From: kps kshe...@gmail.com
  To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 1:08:25 PM
  Subject: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

  hi justin,
  i'm into coffee too... i just bought a handcrank grinder that i'm
  quite happy with for grinding
  my morning brew.

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[RBW] Re: Tom Milton of Selle Anatomica

2010-04-27 Thread Me

I know, I read that too... which is why I said it was understandable 
forgivable.

But the riders riding by part, that's a rough one for me.

-Scott

On Apr 27, 12:17 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote:
 The fellow who made that remark explained it in a comment to the blog
 entry.  Don't lose your faith in humanity just yet.

 Ryan

 On Apr 27, 12:05 pm, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote:



  It's a troubling thing, and I am troubled by it.

  Reading the account of the fella who rode a good part of the double
  century with Tom, I am left thinking a few things:

  1.  I should try one of his saddles [if for no other reason, than
  tribute and homage].
  2.  People should know CPR.
  3.  People say strange things when under extreme stress [but that's
  understandable and thusly, forgivable].
  4.  That those that didn't stop and/or were concerned with their
  finishing times: what has gone so incredibly wrong with humanity that
  the idea of Schedule and Deadline in the day to day of the
  workplace has infected 'weekend activities' to the point where a
  fallen cyclist, a few other cyclists bent over him, a helicopter
  sitting nearby, various policemen and a couple nurses wouldn't -at
  minimum- pique the other double century riders to stop?

  That's the one biggie that's really left me troubled.  I can see
  stopping and being told to move on by the police, but it seems most
  didn't even do that... and no, it wouldn't have saved Tom it seems,
  but jeez, is a finishing card, a personal 'best' time, a jersey, an
  anything- really worth not being concerned or even just plain
  downright curious?

  Kinda Bugged, Really Sad-

  -Scott

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   Here's a detailed account of the events:

  http://bikeridestories.blogspot.com/

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[RBW] Salinas to Templeton (near Paso Robles)

2010-04-27 Thread CR Masterson

Starting around June 7, I be riding inland from Salinas to Templeton,
(near Paso Robles).  Two questions: (1) favorite routes/route advice?
(2) I won't be camping...any not expensive, but clean and decent motel
recommendations?  (ok...that's really three questions) Thanks,
Christine

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tom Milton of Selle Anatomica

2010-04-27 Thread James Valiensi

Hi,
It is sad that Tom died. Maybe he was doing what he loved best when he pasted.
If I was dying on the side of the road, I'm not sure I'd want everyone stopping 
by to watch.

On Apr 27, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Me wrote:

 It's a troubling thing, and I am troubled by it.
 
 Reading the account of the fella who rode a good part of the double
 century with Tom, I am left thinking a few things:
 
 1.  I should try one of his saddles [if for no other reason, than
 tribute and homage].
 2.  People should know CPR.
 3.  People say strange things when under extreme stress [but that's
 understandable and thusly, forgivable].
 4.  That those that didn't stop and/or were concerned with their
 finishing times: what has gone so incredibly wrong with humanity that
 the idea of Schedule and Deadline in the day to day of the
 workplace has infected 'weekend activities' to the point where a
 fallen cyclist, a few other cyclists bent over him, a helicopter
 sitting nearby, various policemen and a couple nurses wouldn't -at
 minimum- pique the other double century riders to stop?
 
 That's the one biggie that's really left me troubled.  I can see
 stopping and being told to move on by the police, but it seems most
 didn't even do that... and no, it wouldn't have saved Tom it seems,
 but jeez, is a finishing card, a personal 'best' time, a jersey, an
 anything- really worth not being concerned or even just plain
 downright curious?
 
 Kinda Bugged, Really Sad-
 
 -Scott
 
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 Here's a detailed account of the events:
 
 http://bikeridestories.blogspot.com/
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tom Milton of Selle Anatomica

2010-04-27 Thread Anne Paulson

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
 I know, I read that too... which is why I said it was understandable 
 forgivable.

 But the riders riding by part, that's a rough one for me.


We know that one cyclist, who had just been doing CPR for ten minutes,
made an awkward comment that he later apologized for. But do we know
that anyone rode past who could have made any difference, or who
should have stopped? This was on an uphill, so the riders weren't
going fast and had time to assess the situation. Should they have
stopped, or did they correctly think that one more cyclist would just
be a rubbernecker in the way? I don't see bad behavior here, only a
sad story.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Tom Milton of Selle Anatomica

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
 I know, I read that too... which is why I said it was understandable 
 forgivable.

 But the riders riding by part, that's a rough one for me.


 We know that one cyclist, who had just been doing CPR for ten minutes,
 made an awkward comment that he later apologized for. But do we know
 that anyone rode past who could have made any difference, or who
 should have stopped? This was on an uphill, so the riders weren't
 going fast and had time to assess the situation. Should they have
 stopped, or did they correctly think that one more cyclist would just
 be a rubbernecker in the way? I don't see bad behavior here, only a
 sad story.


+1 for the rubberneckers, if there is help being given and I cannot
add anything I tend to stay out of the way.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tom Milton of Selle Anatomica

2010-04-27 Thread Sean Whelan

Scott-
It probably seems more bleak in your mind than it did on the road. When there 
is an accident or emergency on a ride, and the police or other folks have 
arrived, no riders are encouraged to stop. A bunch of people standing around 
can only make the situation worse. I was on a century where someone was hit by 
a car and they made it very clear that we were to keep going. They certainly 
didn't have sag wagons enough to ferry everyone to the end.

I don't think there is anyone in the randonneur crowd who would not help to 
stop a cyclist in trouble. (Even people who were trying to ride to a schedule.) 
But.. once people had stopped and were helping, no one else short of a medical 
professional could have helped.

I am sad to hear of his loss. 

Sean

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From: Me clotht...@gmail.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Tom Milton of Selle Anatomica
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:28 PM

I know, I read that too... which is why I said it was understandable 
forgivable.

But the riders riding by part, that's a rough one for me.

-Scott

On Apr 27, 12:17 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote:
 The fellow who made that remark explained it in a comment to the blog
 entry.  Don't lose your faith in humanity just yet.

 Ryan

 On Apr 27, 12:05 pm, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote:



  It's a troubling thing, and I am troubled by it.

  Reading the account of the fella who rode a good part of the double
  century with Tom, I am left thinking a few things:

  1.  I should try one of his saddles [if for no other reason, than
  tribute and homage].
  2.  People should know CPR.
  3.  People say strange things when under extreme stress [but that's
  understandable and thusly, forgivable].
  4.  That those that didn't stop and/or were concerned with their
  finishing times: what has gone so incredibly wrong with humanity that
  the idea of Schedule and Deadline in the day to day of the
  workplace has infected 'weekend activities' to the point where a
  fallen cyclist, a few other cyclists bent over him, a helicopter
  sitting nearby, various policemen and a couple nurses wouldn't -at
  minimum- pique the other double century riders to stop?

  That's the one biggie that's really left me troubled.  I can see
  stopping and being told to move on by the police, but it seems most
  didn't even do that... and no, it wouldn't have saved Tom it seems,
  but jeez, is a finishing card, a personal 'best' time, a jersey, an
  anything- really worth not being concerned or even just plain
  downright curious?

  Kinda Bugged, Really Sad-

  -Scott

  On Apr 25, 7:29 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:

   Here's a detailed account of the events:

  http://bikeridestories.blogspot.com/

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Re: [RBW] Salinas to Templeton (near Paso Robles)

2010-04-27 Thread Anne Paulson

If I were doing that route, I'd go via Big Sur; AFAIK, the hot, dry
inland route doesn't have much to recommend it, whereas that section
of the coast is one of the most spectacular bike routes in the world.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:57 AM, CR Masterson crmaster...@gmail.com wrote:
 Starting around June 7, I be riding inland from Salinas to Templeton,
 (near Paso Robles).  Two questions: (1) favorite routes/route advice?
 (2) I won't be camping...any not expensive, but clean and decent motel
 recommendations?  (ok...that's really three questions) Thanks,
 Christine


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Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread David Faller


I, too, brew.  My pale ales and IPAs come out oh-so-nice.

Bikes and Beer.  A classic combination that transcends age, riding 
preference, etc.


Dave


On 4/27/2010 12:06 PM, soapscum wrote:

Other hobbies:

I brew beer. It's good, too! Bonus! I have my own IPA recipe I call
Longball IPA that I hope to enter in competition this year, if I
don't drink it all. I sail; I share a little 22' catalina with a
friend. We keep her moored on Puget Sound. I tinker, lately with
arrays of leds and low voltage electricity. So, really the perfect day
is (Riv content!): ride the Hillborne out to Shilshole Marina, with a
stop at the Fremont Brewing Company, sail all afternoon, ride to The
Sloop for a post-sail libation, ride home. I play guitar once in a
while too, and I'm finally going to pick up Irish fiddle this year.
Life is good.


On Apr 27, 11:26 am, andrew hillneurod...@gmail.com  wrote:
   

maybe you could adapt something like this:http://bikeblender.com/

;)

-andrew

On Apr 27, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Bruce wrote:



 

So, rig up an electric grinder on the sturdy rack:  
http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/gamoh-cargo-rack/20-028
   
 

power the grinder with 
this:http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/suntour-dynamo-wheel/18-275
   
 

And carry the supplies 
here:http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-saddlesack-small/20-131
   
 

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Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 1:08:25 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle
   
 

hi justin,
i'm into coffee too... i just bought a handcrank grinder that i'm
quite happy with for grinding
my morning brew.
   
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tom Milton of Selle Anatomica

2010-04-27 Thread Bill Connell

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
 I know, I read that too... which is why I said it was understandable 
 forgivable.

 But the riders riding by part, that's a rough one for me.


 We know that one cyclist, who had just been doing CPR for ten minutes,
 made an awkward comment that he later apologized for. But do we know
 that anyone rode past who could have made any difference, or who
 should have stopped? This was on an uphill, so the riders weren't
 going fast and had time to assess the situation. Should they have
 stopped, or did they correctly think that one more cyclist would just
 be a rubbernecker in the way? I don't see bad behavior here, only a
 sad story.

I had a similar situation last week when 2 cars collided just after i
exited an intersection (not due to me, i certainly hope), rolling one
of them onto its side. I was not a witness (it happened behind me),
and there were at least a dozen people who did see it happen, and at
least 2 others were calling 911 before i even had my phone out. While
i wanted to do what i could to help, I don't have any special medical
skills beyond pretty old CPR training, and my kids would be getting
off the bus any minute. It's hard to leave when someone needs
assistance, but i felt i would be more a help by clearing out and
meeting my kids at home.

It's a good reminder to get back up to speed on my CPR skills though,
it's important to know.

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[RBW] MKS Grip Kings vs MKS Touring Pedals

I'm curious which people like more. I've used both on my commuter bike
over the past 2 years and can't decide which I like best. They both
have pluses and minuses. Currently I have the touring pedals on my
Quickbeam and this past weekend I did a big ride on my Hilsen with
Grip Kings. I've done a couple of long rides 60+ miles on the GKs and
they worked well, especially with soft soled shoes (Vans) Still, I
like the touring pedals also and am thinking of trying them with Power
Grips. I'm also thinking of inserting some of the blunt pedal spikes
into the Grip Kings.

I'm curious what other's experience has been with both types of
pedals.

I'm thinking that once I'm through with my brevet series I'll put some
kind of platform pedal on the Hilsen for the summer.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: MKS Grip Kings vs MKS Touring Pedals

2010-04-27 Thread William

My one gripe with Grip Kings is the lack of support across the width
of my foot.  My right ankle is terribly weak laterally from rolling it
badly too many times.  The outside of my right foot wants to spill
over even with less floppy Adidas shoes.  That lack of support causes
some discomfort.  I've got the conceptual design worked out for a
modification to the GKs to remedy this for myself.

I imagine the touring pedals would be better width wise (because they
are, um, wider?).  With floppy shoes like Vans I'm sure I'd be bummed
at their shape.  Two hard edges and nothing else in the way of
support.

I love the RMX sneakers.  Totally love them.  I might buy several
pair.

On Apr 27, 12:51 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm curious which people like more. I've used both on my commuter bike
 over the past 2 years and can't decide which I like best. They both
 have pluses and minuses. Currently I have the touring pedals on my
 Quickbeam and this past weekend I did a big ride on my Hilsen with
 Grip Kings. I've done a couple of long rides 60+ miles on the GKs and
 they worked well, especially with soft soled shoes (Vans) Still, I
 like the touring pedals also and am thinking of trying them with Power
 Grips. I'm also thinking of inserting some of the blunt pedal spikes
 into the Grip Kings.

 I'm curious what other's experience has been with both types of
 pedals.

 I'm thinking that once I'm through with my brevet series I'll put some
 kind of platform pedal on the Hilsen for the summer.

 --mike

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[RBW] Re: MKS Grip Kings vs MKS Touring Pedals

2010-04-27 Thread jose

I've also used both extensively on my bikes ( 2 sets of each!) and
have settled on the GK's with the studs that rivendell sells.  In wet
weather both the GK's and MKS touring pedals performed rather poorly,
but with just 4 studs per side on the GK's they turn in to great wet
weather pedals.  The studs are easy to install, no drill required;
just line it up straight and screw em in.

Other than that I'd say the main difference is the shape. GK's are
long front-to-back and narrow side-to-side, while the touring pedals
are just the opposite.  You might say this makes the GK's less
desirable for wide feet or offroad conditions, but I have both those
criteria and still prefer them to the tourers overall.

On Apr 27, 2:51 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm curious which people like more. I've used both on my commuter bike
 over the past 2 years and can't decide which I like best. They both
 have pluses and minuses. Currently I have the touring pedals on my
 Quickbeam and this past weekend I did a big ride on my Hilsen with
 Grip Kings. I've done a couple of long rides 60+ miles on the GKs and
 they worked well, especially with soft soled shoes (Vans) Still, I
 like the touring pedals also and am thinking of trying them with Power
 Grips. I'm also thinking of inserting some of the blunt pedal spikes
 into the Grip Kings.

 I'm curious what other's experience has been with both types of
 pedals.

 I'm thinking that once I'm through with my brevet series I'll put some
 kind of platform pedal on the Hilsen for the summer.

 --mike

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Re: [RBW] MKS Grip Kings vs MKS Touring Pedals

2010-04-27 Thread Bruce

I have the touring pedals on a Ram and a Road and the Grip Kings on a Saluki. I 
like them both, but for different riding. For touring comfort and a relaxed 
ride, the Grip Kings. For a quicker pace, higher cadence and snappier feel, the 
touring pedals. I've used Power grips and they do help with keeping feet on the 
pedals in slippery conditions and if you train yourself to pedal in a circle 
(or a triangle), let you use your hip flexors to pull the pedals up. They are 
easier by far to get in and out of than cleats. They do drag the ground, like a 
toe clip if you have a low BB/long crank, but allow more movement on the pedal 
than a toeclip (or a cleat of course which allows none). Currently, I have no 
retainer system on any of my pedals, and find I ride no slower than before. I 
like the free feeling of moving my feet around on the pedals, especially if 
cramping. I'd say I get about 2/3 of a circle of power by reaching forward, 
then down, then pulling back.
 Of course, I cannot pull upwards on the pedals.





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Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 2:51:16 PM
Subject: [RBW] MKS Grip Kings vs MKS Touring Pedals

I'm curious which people like more.


  

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Re: [RBW] MKS Grip Kings vs MKS Touring Pedals

2010-04-27 Thread Clayton Scott

I use the grip kings with no modification. I find them to grip just right -
wet or dry. I don't like the kind of grip that spikes provide because it
makes shifting my foot around in small increments difficult - it encumbers
fine tuning of foot position.
I have medium wide, large feet. Size 12D. Longest ride with the GK was a
300k brevet with some rain early on. I used them with a pair of old Saucony
sneakers. My feet were perfectly happy for the entire ride. No pain,
numbness, pressure points, etc. I'd say the pedals are perfect for me so
far.

Clayton Scott
SF CA

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm curious which people like more. I've used both on my commuter bike
over the past 2 years and can't decide which I like best. They both
have pluses and minuses. Currently I have the touring pedals on my
Quickbeam and this past weekend I did a big ride on my Hilsen with
Grip Kings. I've done a couple of long rides 60+ miles on the GKs and
they worked well, especially with soft soled shoes (Vans) Still, I
like the touring pedals also and am thinking of trying them with Power
Grips. I'm also thinking of inserting some of the blunt pedal spikes
into the Grip Kings.

I'm curious what other's experience has been with both types of
pedals.

I'm thinking that once I'm through with my brevet series I'll put some
kind of platform pedal on the Hilsen for the summer.

I have both and prefer the GKs. As you noted, they're great with
soft-soled shoes, so they're great with Chaco sandals in the summer. I
have big feet, so after riding the GK bike for a while, the Touring
pedals feel really small. My shoes are also wider than the Touring, so
i don't mind so much hanging over the outside edge. They're nice for
riding fixed too, they seem to have a little more clearance than the
Touring. My only real complaint is that i'd like to open them up for a
regreasing and having a hard time getting the plastic caps off.

--
Bill Connell
St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Rambouillet on Craigslist

2010-04-27 Thread Michael Mann

Listed in Portland but seller in Michigan. No connection and not my size (I
wish).

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/1712824304.html

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Re: [RBW] MKS Grip Kings vs MKS Touring Pedals

2010-04-27 Thread Robert F. Harrison

Last December my Quickbeam arrived with the Touring Pedals I'd ordered and
they were great. But I got it into my head that I should try the Grip Kings
and ordered up a set. I immediately took to them and ordered another set for
my beater bike. Then I got to thinking that perhaps the Touring Pedals with
Power Grips would be good. I gave that a try but didn't really care for the
combination; mostly because I ride in sandals and I had serious rubbing
issues with the Power Grips. So it was back to the Grip Kings. I've got
three sets now, two in use and a backup for whatever bike I buy next.

Aloha!

Bob

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm curious which people like more. I've used both on my commuter bike
over the past 2 years and can't decide which I like best. They both
have pluses and minuses. Currently I have the touring pedals on my
Quickbeam and this past weekend I did a big ride on my Hilsen with
Grip Kings. I've done a couple of long rides 60+ miles on the GKs and
they worked well, especially with soft soled shoes (Vans) Still, I
like the touring pedals also and am thinking of trying them with Power
Grips. I'm also thinking of inserting some of the blunt pedal spikes
into the Grip Kings.

I'm curious what other's experience has been with both types of
pedals.

I'm thinking that once I'm through with my brevet series I'll put some
kind of platform pedal on the Hilsen for the summer.

--mike

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statrix.statrix.com

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[RBW] Re: MKS Grip Kings vs MKS Touring Pedals

Hey, thanks for all the responses. Looks like the next thing I'll try
is putting some blunt pedal spikes on the Grip Kings. Yeah, Vans and
the touring pedals seem fine for around town but there is something
not so great about the lack of support in the middle of the pedal. For
the time being I'll be pedaling in Vans. Last summer I contemplated
purchasing some Patagonia shoes for cycling but never purchased them.
Others seem to have used the shoe and liked it a lot for cycling.
Perhaps this summer I'll try them out.

These are the Patagonia shoes:
http://www.patagonia.com/web/us/product/patagonia-footwear-shoes-mens-bagley?p=79565-0-707

--mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: MKS Grip Kings vs MKS Touring Pedals

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hey, thanks for all the responses. Looks like the next thing I'll try
 is putting some blunt pedal spikes on the Grip Kings. Yeah, Vans and
 the touring pedals seem fine for around town but there is something
 not so great about the lack of support in the middle of the pedal. For
 the time being I'll be pedaling in Vans. Last summer I contemplated
 purchasing some Patagonia shoes for cycling but never purchased them.
 Others seem to have used the shoe and liked it a lot for cycling.


It might be worth checking out the sneaker pedals. I recently acquired
a pair of them and I've been very happy with them on the atlantis.

a little more narrow than the touring pedals but longer - but not as
long as the grip kings.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet on Craigslist

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Michael Mann velom...@gmail.com wrote:
 Listed in Portland but seller in Michigan. No connection and not my size (I
 wish).
 http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/1712824304.html


Odd - I emailed that guy about that one last week. I asked if he
wanted to sell just the f/f. He said he had a bunch of interest and
wanted to sell it complete - I'm surprised it has taken a week for it
to sell, actually.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet on Craigslist

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Michael Mann velom...@gmail.com wrote:
 Listed in Portland but seller in Michigan. No connection and not my size (I
 wish).
 http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/1712824304.html


 Odd - I emailed that guy about that one last week. I asked if he
 wanted to sell just the f/f. He said he had a bunch of interest and
 wanted to sell it complete - I'm surprised it has taken a week for it
 to sell, actually.

 -sv


And, curiously, he bumped the price by $50 - it was $1575 last week
and is $1625, now.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet on Craigslist

2010-04-27 Thread Jon Grant

Subject: Re: [RBW] Rambouillet on Craigslist

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Michael Mann velom...@gmail.com wrote:
 Listed in Portland but seller in Michigan. No connection and not my size (I
 wish).
 http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/1712824304.html


 Odd - I emailed that guy about that one last week. I asked if he
 wanted to sell just the f/f. He said he had a bunch of interest and
 wanted to sell it complete - I'm surprised it has taken a week for it
 to sell, actually.

 -sv


And, curiously, he bumped the price by $50 - it was $1575 last week
and is $1625, now.

-sv

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We refer to Craigslist as Flakeslist.

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[RBW] Re: MKS Grip Kings vs MKS Touring Pedals


 It might be worth checking out the sneaker pedals. I recently acquired
 a pair of them and I've been very happy with them on the atlantis.

 a little more narrow than the touring pedals but longer - but not as
 long as the grip kings.

 -sv


I thought the sneaker pedals were wider than the touring pedals and so
hadn't considered them out of concern for pedal strike. GKs seem to
offer the best clearance. I know David E. used the sneaker pedals for
a long time on his AR. Hmmm...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tom Milton of Selle Anatomica

2010-04-27 Thread Shaun Meehan

I was on an organized charity ride where a rider went down in front of
us right out of the gate, on a fairly short but steep climb. Our
initial reaction was to stop and try to help, so we stopped
immediately. However some ride officials that arrived on the scene at
the same time we did, just as immediately told us to keep moving. This
incident was in a relatively populated and accessible area, but even
so, we found out later that the guy didn't make it. He'd had a massive
heart attack. So it's possible that Tom may not have made it even if
professional help were able to get to him sooner. Very sad indeed.

Shaun Meehan

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Re: [RBW] Re: MKS Grip Kings vs MKS Touring Pedals

2010-04-27 Thread Dan Abelson

I am also considering the sneaker pedals on a bike. I have used Grip Kings
and MKS Touring pedals. I generally prefer the Grip Kings to the Touring,
but I am thinking the wider platform of the sneaker pedal might be better
for my wide feet.

What are people's opinions of Sneaker pedals performance in wet weather (I
found the Grip Kings to be fine in wet weather).

Thanks

Dan Abelson
St. Paul, MN
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:

It might be worth checking out the sneaker pedals. I recently acquired
a pair of them and I've been very happy with them on the atlantis.

a little more narrow than the touring pedals but longer - but not as
long as the grip kings.

-sv

I thought the sneaker pedals were wider than the touring pedals and so
hadn't considered them out of concern for pedal strike. GKs seem to
offer the best clearance. I know David E. used the sneaker pedals for
a long time on his AR. Hmmm...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tom Milton of Selle Anatomica

2010-04-27 Thread Eric Norris

This is an interesting thread.  I have appalled in the past to see riders on 
long-distance events (double centuries, not brevets) continue on without even 
slowing down or offering to help.  

A few years ago, I was riding in the same event that Tom Milton died on.  A 
group of us were riding on a long, gentle upgrade early in the day when wheels 
touched and a rider went down ... hard.  I stopped and rendered aid, helping 
bandage a badly cut arm with a bandana.  The only other person to stop was 
involved in the two-rider crash; all of the other riders continued on, 
apparently more concerned with their overall time than with making sure 
everyone was OK.

--Eric

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On Apr 27, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Sean Whelan strummer_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Scott-
 It probably seems more bleak in your mind than it did on the road. When there 
 is an accident or emergency on a ride, and the police or other folks have 
 arrived, no riders are encouraged to stop. A bunch of people standing around 
 can only make the situation worse. I was on a century where someone was hit 
 by a car and they made it very clear that we were to keep going. They 
 certainly didn't have sag wagons enough to ferry everyone to the end.
 
 I don't think there is anyone in the randonneur crowd who would not help to 
 stop a cyclist in trouble. (Even people who were trying to ride to a 
 schedule.) But.. once people had stopped and were helping, no one else short 
 of a medical professional could have helped.
 
 I am sad to hear of his loss. 
 
 Sean
 
 --- On Tue, 4/27/10, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 From: Me clotht...@gmail.com
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Tom Milton of Selle Anatomica
 To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:28 PM
 
 I know, I read that too... which is why I said it was understandable 
 forgivable.
 
 But the riders riding by part, that's a rough one for me.
 
 -Scott
 
 On Apr 27, 12:17 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote:
  The fellow who made that remark explained it in a comment to the blog
  entry.  Don't lose your faith in humanity just yet.
 
  Ryan
 
  On Apr 27, 12:05 pm, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
   It's a troubling thing, and I am troubled by it.
 
   Reading the account of the fella who rode a good part of the double
   century with Tom, I am left thinking a few things:
 
   1.  I should try one of his saddles [if for no other reason, than
   tribute and homage].
   2.  People should know CPR.
   3.  People say strange things when under extreme stress [but that's
   understandable and thusly, forgivable].
   4.  That those that didn't stop and/or were concerned with their
   finishing times: what has gone so incredibly wrong with humanity that
   the idea of Schedule and Deadline in the day to day of the
   workplace has infected 'weekend activities' to the point where a
   fallen cyclist, a few other cyclists bent over him, a helicopter
   sitting nearby, various policemen and a couple nurses wouldn't -at
   minimum- pique the other double century riders to stop?
 
   That's the one biggie that's really left me troubled.  I can see
   stopping and being told to move on by the police, but it seems most
   didn't even do that... and no, it wouldn't have saved Tom it seems,
   but jeez, is a finishing card, a personal 'best' time, a jersey, an
   anything- really worth not being concerned or even just plain
   downright curious?
 
   Kinda Bugged, Really Sad-
 
   -Scott
 
   On Apr 25, 7:29 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
Here's a detailed account of the events:
 
   http://bikeridestories.blogspot.com/
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tom Milton of Selle Anatomica

2010-04-27 Thread Steve Palincsar

On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 12:38 -0700, Sean Whelan wrote:
 
 
 I don't think there is anyone in the randonneur crowd who would not
 help to stop a cyclist in trouble. (Even people who were trying to
 ride to a schedule.) But.. once people had stopped and were helping,
 no one else short of a medical professional could have helped.
 

And often they can't help either.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-27 Thread Steve Palincsar

On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 11:52 -0400, Ken Freeman wrote:
 Would you recommend 531 or Columbus?

Yes.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Tom Milton of Selle Anatomica

2010-04-27 Thread Steve Palincsar

On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 16:09 -0500, Shaun Meehan wrote:
 I was on an organized charity ride where a rider went down in front of
 us right out of the gate, on a fairly short but steep climb. Our
 initial reaction was to stop and try to help, so we stopped
 immediately. However some ride officials that arrived on the scene at
 the same time we did, just as immediately told us to keep moving. This
 incident was in a relatively populated and accessible area, but even
 so, we found out later that the guy didn't make it. He'd had a massive
 heart attack. So it's possible that Tom may not have made it even if
 professional help were able to get to him sooner.

Some years ago I was on a club ride where I was riding along with an ER
nurse and her friend.  We stopped at a corner to oil her chain (the
squeaking every time she shifted was driving me nuts) and in the minute
or two we were stopped this guy passed us.  We continued down the road,
up a series of moderately steep rollers and at the top of the last rise
saw the guy down on the road, laying on top of his bike.  

He couldn't have been down more than 2 minutes before she was giving him
CPR.  I called 911 and walked up to the to of the last rise to stop
traffic, and as I got there a woman who lived in the housing area at the
top of the hill came out and asked what was going on.  She called her
brother in law, who was visiting.  He was an ER doc and had his full kit
with him.  By around 4 min after we saw him, the ER doc was working on
him.  Another 2 min later the EMTs arrived and took over.

We learned he'd had a heart attack, and according to the ER doc it was
not surprising: first nice day of spring, and right after that series of
tough rollers, the toughest hills in the area.  Happens all the time on
a day like that, he said.

We learned later he didn't make it.  




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Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

2010-04-27 Thread CycloFiend

on 4/27/10 10:25 AM, Darin G. at dbg...@mac.com wrote:

 Okay, many great suggestions here and I appreciate the attention to
 the topic.  I think many of the observations about obsessing less with
 how long it takes and enjoying the activity are appropriate.  I
 typically don't ride with others.  Its usually just me out there
 listening to the meadowlarks, feeling the wind and carrying on an
 intense internal conversation with my multiple personalities. Speed on
 such a journey is irrelevant.  When the opportunity to ride with
 others does come up, however, no one wants to be the heel that makes
 everyone wait or blows up trying to keep up, especially when you're
 ostensibly the stronger rider.

The other point which I didn't see addressed is whether you can stay stuck
with these riders if you tuck in behind and enjoy their draft.  Riding with
faster riders (or riding with more technically skilled riders) can be a
great tool for moving up a bit, speed wise.

Here's the thing:  Your body (like almost everyone else's) is basically lazy
- it will adapt to the stress you put on it. So, if you ride at 73 rpms and
15.6 mph, the body will strengthen itself just to that point and maybe a
smidgen extra.  

So, if you go riding with friends who ride much _shorter_ distances than you
tend to, but ride at even slightly higher speeds, it will be very tough for
you to ride, say at 90 rpms and 17 mph.

You will probably find that you recover your breath much more quickly than
your quicker friends, but can't necessarily match the short term efforts.

Here's where the Primal/Grok thing comes into play - or, the thing you read
in training manuals - about going either slow or fast.  If you tend to mosey
along at a middling pace, you aren't really building up fast twitch fast
muscles or slow twitch endurance muscles. (And I'm not saying not to do
so, but try a different approach for a couple weeks).

Try really stomping up any hill or incline you encounter on a ride. Try
riding a quarter of the distance you normally go, but with twice as much
effort. Make a deal with your buddies that they won't drop you - stay stuck
to their wheels no matter what so you ride at a slightly uncomfortably
higher pace.  What will happen is your body will react to offset this and
you'll gain some speed.

Now. Here's the disclaimer: Do Not Do This if you have physical
restrictions, feel pain or haven't had a recent medical check up. Make sure
you fully recover from this harder riding. This can be hard work, and for
those of use who won't see 40 again, you should be careful, OK?
 
 I did receive a phone call from my ride companion last night saying
 that he was completely wasted from our recent sluggish and casual ride
 and wondering how I could go that far.  Smug satisfaction taken.

There are always those partners who can just bury themselves on a ride.
Best to avoid them, or learn how to ask them questions requiring complex
answers on topics they like to expound.

- J


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Re: [RBW] Re: Tom Milton of Selle Anatomica

2010-04-27 Thread CycloFiend

on 4/27/10 12:36 PM, Anne Paulson at anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
 I know, I read that too... which is why I said it was understandable 
 forgivable.
 
 But the riders riding by part, that's a rough one for me.
 
 
 We know that one cyclist, who had just been doing CPR for ten minutes,
 made an awkward comment that he later apologized for. But do we know
 that anyone rode past who could have made any difference, or who
 should have stopped? This was on an uphill, so the riders weren't
 going fast and had time to assess the situation. Should they have
 stopped, or did they correctly think that one more cyclist would just
 be a rubbernecker in the way? I don't see bad behavior here, only a
 sad story.

I've been first, 2nd and 3rd on scene, plus somewhere in the pack on scene
to many accidents, bike, ped and car related over the years. I think there's
appropriate involvement at each stage, but unless I can offer direct help, I
clear out.  Sometimes I can tell that without stopping. But, unless I knew
the person, I'd tend to move on to stay out of the way.

If it was unclear, I've asked if help was needed or if there was anything I
could do (go back and slow traffic, call for help, relieve/carry on for a
tiring person), but if the professionals are on the scene, I like to let 'em
do their jobs.

- J
  

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[RBW] Re: MKS Grip Kings vs MKS Touring Pedals

My Hillborne has sneaker pedals. My LHT has Grip Kings. Both work
well, although I find the GKs get slippery in the wet. Maybe it's me
and/or my shoes. Have used both this week on rides of 60 miles. I
really can't tell that much of a difference to be honest.

Have used the touring pedals, but am not much of a fan of them unless
they have cages and straps.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Apr 27, 4:14 pm, Dan Abelson d...@abelsons.net wrote:
I am also considering the sneaker pedals on a bike. I have used Grip Kings
and MKS Touring pedals. I generally prefer the Grip Kings to the Touring,
but I am thinking the wider platform of the sneaker pedal might be better
for my wide feet.

What are people's opinions of Sneaker pedals performance in wet weather (I
found the Grip Kings to be fine in wet weather).

Thanks

Dan Abelson
St. Paul, MN

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:

It might be worth checking out the sneaker pedals. I recently acquired
a pair of them and I've been very happy with them on the atlantis.

a little more narrow than the touring pedals but longer - but not as
long as the grip kings.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

Sigh. No.  Not to his workshop.  Have met him a number of times.  And
have played his mandolins, and want to try his guitars.

For the non-players, Mr. Brentrup makes mandolins like Richard Sachs
makes bicycles.  Absolute top tier quality.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Apr 27, 8:15 am, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote:
 On Apr 27, 8:28 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:

  As for instruments - besides acoustic guitars, own a couple of
  mandolins, a uke, a banjo and a guitar-banjo.  Mostly playing old-time
  stringband music.

 Eric - between Hiawatha and the twin-city acoustic music scene, you're
 bases are pretty well covered, huh?!

 Have you ever been to Hans Brentrup's shop in Minneapolis?   Very
 talented luthier - he built my F5.

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[RBW] Re: MKS Grip Kings vs MKS Touring Pedals