[RBW] Re: Decision Potential

2011-05-24 Thread charlie
IMHOno one bike doesn't it all as well as something made
specifically for the task at hand. If a guy has a limited budget or
wants a one bike does it all an all rounder that can handle the
rough stuff is the best. Of course this depends on your weight. I
think that since you have a Hillborne I would get a heavier frame
Hunkqa and set it up as a rough stuff/camping bike.

On May 23, 4:28 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
wrote:
 Hi!

 I've an important decision to make: 62cm Hunqapillar or a (second) 60cm 
 Hillborne?

 At least, I *may* have that decision to make. No amount of measuring will 
 actually let me *know* if I can actually straddle the Hunqapillar. I have a 
 nominal 90cm PBH. All the other numbers seem reasonable to me. So it is 
 *possible* that I *might* be comfortable on one. I don't know.

 So... if there's a 62cm Hunqapillar owner in the Chicago area (generously 
 defined) who'd be willing to let me throw a leg over their Hunqapillar, I 
 would greatly appreciate it. I wouldn't need the wheels to roll, let alone to 
 actually ride it. Just to straddle it to see where the top tube lives.

 It'd be fantastic if it proved appropriate. But it'd still be great to *know* 
 if it didn't. It would eliminate any down-the-road missed-opportunity regrets.

 Much as I love love love my Hillborne, I do feel slightly odd about buying 
 two identical bikes. And I don't dismiss the allure of the Fatter Tire and 
 Rougher Trail and Even Heavier Load.

 Please e-mail me offline if you're willing to let me check it out. I'll come 
 directly to you or meet you anywhere neutral and convenient for you. We could 
 arrange it with all the notice you need. Obviously, weekends or evenings 
 would be great but I'm willing to consider pretty much any time. I'm hoping 
 (but not committed to) make my choice (if I actually have one) in July. But 
 I'm flexible.

 Thanks for reading, let alone considering, my request!

 And feel free to fill this thread online with opinions/insights/experiences 
 of having two identical bikes or multiple RBW bikes or comparisons/contrasts 
 between Hillborne-like and Hunqapillar-like bikes. I'm interested.

 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean
 P. S. Would t'were we all had such problems!

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[RBW] Re: Inquiry re Sagging Selle AnAtomica

2011-05-24 Thread charlie
Yea, it is after all just dead skin..and not every cow is the
same.

On May 23, 9:26 pm, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote:
 After just a few rides on a brand-new Selle Anatomica, it looks like
 our old mule (Gladys) with a deeply swayed back.  The manufacturer's
 website seems to say, don't worry about the way this looks, just
 tighten it up a bit at a time until it's comfortable.

 I'm willing to follow the manufacturer's advice, but i'm pretty
 certain I've never seen a leather saddle sag and splay like this
 anytime in the last 30+ years of riding Ideales and Brooks.  Moreover,
 I have what is supposed to be the identical saddle (different color)
 on my Roadeo, and have not had any sagging at all.

 Anyone else experience this with the Anatomicas, or have words of
 advice/wisdom?

 FWIW, I'm a Clyde and this is their Clyde model, ostensibly.

 thanks.
 RL

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Re: [RBW] Inquiry re Sagging Selle AnAtomica

2011-05-24 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 21:26 -0700, reynoldslugs wrote:
 
 I'm willing to follow the manufacturer's advice, but i'm pretty
 certain I've never seen a leather saddle sag and splay like this
 anytime in the last 30+ years of riding Ideales and Brooks. 

True, the Selle AnAtomicas do sag in a way that you don't see on Ideales
and Brooks.  That is entirely typical.  Some folks love the splayed out
sagged hammock feel, others do not.


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[RBW] Rivendell influence - Maybe the racer crowd is getting it?!!

2011-05-24 Thread Jay LePree
Hi all:

I had to pick up some tubes at my LBS which sell Trek bikes.  Trek has
the standard 520 model and some other commuting models, but I was
surprised to see the Gary Fisher Cronus. The owner called my attention
to it because he knows my preference for higher handlebars, fenders,
28 mm wide (or wider) tires.

The Cronus is a CF racing bike with a taller head tube, and vanishing
fender mounts that can be screwed in and out.  The bike comes with
Sheldon Fender nuts already installed in the back of the brakes so the
user can attach fenders without removing the brakes.  I put in my
front wheel that has a Ruffy Tuffy, and it cleared without any
problem.  Interesting take on a racer.  I imagine that there was some
Rivendell influence there.

Jay
Demarest, NJ

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[RBW] Re: Repair Manual

2011-05-24 Thread Minh
I'll second the Zinn book, mine's old, but bike tech, especially what
we talk about here, hasn't changed much in the last 30 years.  you can
find all of this info online now, but being able to sit down with a
paper book and walk through it over a cup of coffee is helpful for
me.

my best suggestion is just use your common sense, if it feels wrong,
go over the instructions again to see if you missed something.  as a
beginner the only thing i think you'll find hard is the headset
adjustments, everything else is now cartidge based to simplify
installation.

On May 23, 10:03 pm, omnigrid omnig...@gmail.com wrote:
 I like Zinn's road bike maintenance book. Get this along with the Park book
 and you should be good.







 On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
  After a year of subscribing to this group I've decided to address some
  of my inadequacies head on and do some, if not most of my own
  maintenance.  I'm not necessarily handy, but clever enough, willing to
  buy the tools, and I figure if I can build a fly rod or tie a classic
  Atlantic salmon fly (which I can do, and do well), I can adjust a
  hub.  Besides, you all inspire me.  Thank you.

  That said, I do need a good reference manual.  I'm interested to see
  if there's a consensus amongst the tribe as to a solid reference for
  maintaining my Sam (nom de guerre: Ramble-Rounder).

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell influence - Maybe the racer crowd is getting it?!!

2011-05-24 Thread Michael_S
If it's still carbon they didn't get the message. I wish Fisher still
made steel bikes; the other two models are alu-min-numb.

Also I would like to point out that some Rivendell owners like riding
fast and even race. They just appreciate beautiful steel bicycles with
lugs.


~mike


On May 24, 4:22 am, Jay LePree lep...@optonline.net wrote:
 Hi all:

 I had to pick up some tubes at my LBS which sell Trek bikes.  Trek has
 the standard 520 model and some other commuting models, but I was
 surprised to see the Gary Fisher Cronus. The owner called my attention
 to it because he knows my preference for higher handlebars, fenders,
 28 mm wide (or wider) tires.

 The Cronus is a CF racing bike with a taller head tube, and vanishing
 fender mounts that can be screwed in and out.  The bike comes with
 Sheldon Fender nuts already installed in the back of the brakes so the
 user can attach fenders without removing the brakes.  I put in my
 front wheel that has a Ruffy Tuffy, and it cleared without any
 problem.  Interesting take on a racer.  I imagine that there was some
 Rivendell influence there.

 Jay
 Demarest, NJ

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[RBW] Re: Inquiry re Sagging Selle AnAtomica

2011-05-24 Thread Bill M.
You can't expect the SA to act like a Brooks, it's not supposed to.
It fits like a hammock.  As long as you're not bouncing off of the top
of the seatpost, it's not overstretched.  Whether that's a feeling you
like or not is up to you.

I weigh 180, and mine is a non-Clyde.  The sag stabilized with the
bolt about 2/3 of the way out.  I found I had too much inner thigh
friction on mine, so I laced the skirts in.  I also had to widen the
slot (per the directions) to keep the rear flaps from overlapping.

Bill

On May 23, 9:26 pm, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote:
 After just a few rides on a brand-new Selle Anatomica, it looks like
 our old mule (Gladys) with a deeply swayed back.  The manufacturer's
 website seems to say, don't worry about the way this looks, just
 tighten it up a bit at a time until it's comfortable.

 I'm willing to follow the manufacturer's advice, but i'm pretty
 certain I've never seen a leather saddle sag and splay like this
 anytime in the last 30+ years of riding Ideales and Brooks.  Moreover,
 I have what is supposed to be the identical saddle (different color)
 on my Roadeo, and have not had any sagging at all.

 Anyone else experience this with the Anatomicas, or have words of
 advice/wisdom?

 FWIW, I'm a Clyde and this is their Clyde model, ostensibly.

 thanks.
 RL

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell influence - Maybe the racer crowd is getting it?!!

2011-05-24 Thread eflayer
i own a Rambouillet and a Fisher Cronus. is that why i am still stuck
on earth after 6 pm last saturday?

On May 24, 7:11 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 If it's still carbon they didn't get the message. I wish Fisher still
 made steel bikes; the other two models are alu-min-numb.

 Also I would like to point out that some Rivendell owners like riding
 fast and even race. They just appreciate beautiful steel bicycles with
 lugs.

 ~mike

 On May 24, 4:22 am, Jay LePree lep...@optonline.net wrote:



  Hi all:

  I had to pick up some tubes at my LBS which sell Trek bikes.  Trek has
  the standard 520 model and some other commuting models, but I was
  surprised to see the Gary Fisher Cronus. The owner called my attention
  to it because he knows my preference for higher handlebars, fenders,
  28 mm wide (or wider) tires.

  The Cronus is a CF racing bike with a taller head tube, and vanishing
  fender mounts that can be screwed in and out.  The bike comes with
  Sheldon Fender nuts already installed in the back of the brakes so the
  user can attach fenders without removing the brakes.  I put in my
  front wheel that has a Ruffy Tuffy, and it cleared without any
  problem.  Interesting take on a racer.  I imagine that there was some
  Rivendell influence there.

  Jay
  Demarest, NJ- Hide quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Decision Potential

2011-05-24 Thread Leslie
Another vote for a Bomba.


On May 23, 7:45 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 How 'bout a 60cm Bombadil?    If not, and you can't find a local
 Hunqapillar to try, consider that 2cm is not much difference at
 all.    But, one test would be to straddle your SH, grab the bars in
 one hand and the seat in the other, and lift;  then have someone take
 a look at how high the wheels come off the ground.      If you have an
 inch or two of clearance, the HP should work.

 Anyway good luck with the choices.

 -Matt

 On May 23, 7:28 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
 wrote:







  Hi!

  I've an important decision to make: 62cm Hunqapillar or a (second) 60cm 
  Hillborne?

  At least, I *may* have that decision to make. No amount of measuring will 
  actually let me *know* if I can actually straddle the Hunqapillar. I have a 
  nominal 90cm PBH. All the other numbers seem reasonable to me. So it is 
  *possible* that I *might* be comfortable on one. I don't know.

  So... if there's a 62cm Hunqapillar owner in the Chicago area (generously 
  defined) who'd be willing to let me throw a leg over their Hunqapillar, I 
  would greatly appreciate it. I wouldn't need the wheels to roll, let alone 
  to actually ride it. Just to straddle it to see where the top tube lives.

  It'd be fantastic if it proved appropriate. But it'd still be great to 
  *know* if it didn't. It would eliminate any down-the-road 
  missed-opportunity regrets.

  Much as I love love love my Hillborne, I do feel slightly odd about buying 
  two identical bikes. And I don't dismiss the allure of the Fatter Tire and 
  Rougher Trail and Even Heavier Load.

  Please e-mail me offline if you're willing to let me check it out. I'll 
  come directly to you or meet you anywhere neutral and convenient for you. 
  We could arrange it with all the notice you need. Obviously, weekends or 
  evenings would be great but I'm willing to consider pretty much any time. 
  I'm hoping (but not committed to) make my choice (if I actually have one) 
  in July. But I'm flexible.

  Thanks for reading, let alone considering, my request!

  And feel free to fill this thread online with 
  opinions/insights/experiences of having two identical bikes or multiple RBW 
  bikes or comparisons/contrasts between Hillborne-like and Hunqapillar-like 
  bikes. I'm interested.

  Yours,
  Thomas Lynn Skean
  P. S. Would t'were we all had such problems!

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell influence - Maybe the racer crowd is getting it?!!

2011-05-24 Thread Leslie
On May 24, 10:16 am, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:
 i own a Rambouillet and a Fisher Cronus. is that why i am still stuck
 on earth after 6 pm last saturday?

So... how about a brief compare/contrast on those two??  :)

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[RBW] Re: Repair Manual

2011-05-24 Thread rperks
I will agree with what the others have said and add:
Bicycling Magazine's Complete Book of Bicycle Maintenance and Repair
It is great to have a paper book sometimes so the computer does not
get greasy keys.  Pick up a copy at the used book store, look for
something printed before the mid 90's and it will have the most
relavant info for your Riv Bike IMO.  I still have mine from college
and have used it more over the years then some of the others.

Rob
-
http://oceanaircycles.com/


On May 23, 6:52 pm, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
 After a year of subscribing to this group I've decided to address some
 of my inadequacies head on and do some, if not most of my own
 maintenance.  I'm not necessarily handy, but clever enough, willing to
 buy the tools, and I figure if I can build a fly rod or tie a classic
 Atlantic salmon fly (which I can do, and do well), I can adjust a
 hub.  Besides, you all inspire me.  Thank you.

 That said, I do need a good reference manual.  I'm interested to see
 if there's a consensus amongst the tribe as to a solid reference for
 maintaining my Sam (nom de guerre: Ramble-Rounder).

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell influence - Maybe the racer crowd is getting it?!!

2011-05-24 Thread Zac
Fisher does still make steel bikes. They make a cyclocross bike called
the Presidio. It's made out of True Temper OX platinum and is very
similar to the Lemond Poprad. Plenty o' clearance and canti brakes.

Zac

On May 24, 7:11 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 If it's still carbon they didn't get the message. I wish Fisher still
 made steel bikes; the other two models are alu-min-numb.

 Also I would like to point out that some Rivendell owners like riding
 fast and even race. They just appreciate beautiful steel bicycles with
 lugs.

 ~mike

 On May 24, 4:22 am, Jay LePree lep...@optonline.net wrote:

  Hi all:

  I had to pick up some tubes at my LBS which sell Trek bikes.  Trek has
  the standard 520 model and some other commuting models, but I was
  surprised to see the Gary Fisher Cronus. The owner called my attention
  to it because he knows my preference for higher handlebars, fenders,
  28 mm wide (or wider) tires.

  The Cronus is a CF racing bike with a taller head tube, and vanishing
  fender mounts that can be screwed in and out.  The bike comes with
  Sheldon Fender nuts already installed in the back of the brakes so the
  user can attach fenders without removing the brakes.  I put in my
  front wheel that has a Ruffy Tuffy, and it cleared without any
  problem.  Interesting take on a racer.  I imagine that there was some
  Rivendell influence there.

  Jay
  Demarest, NJ

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[RBW] Re: Inquiry re Sagging Selle AnAtomica

2011-05-24 Thread Nick
Mine appeared to sag fast also. It is also very squeaky. I surmised
that with the squeaks and the fast sagging I was actually
inadvertently turning the adjustment bolt inward as I rode! I screwed
the bolt all the way in to detach the nose from the bolt head, removed
the bolt, heated it slightly with a torch and dipped it in bees wax.
It does not move as readily and the squeak is mostly gone. The saddle
is on my rigid SS 29er. I weight 170. I opted for the clydesdale with
water shed as the saddle regularly gets wet from above and below and
gets pounded pretty hard offroad! It has held up admirably over the
two years I have ridden it on a fairly regular basis (fun and race
mtb) I also have one on my fendered commuter that has many more miles
than the mtb. Same wax treatment to the bolt. I may try to find a
fixing nut for the adjuster bolt.

BTW - regarding Selle AnAtomica the company -  Do any of you find it
curious that their web page makes no mention of the founder's untimely
death? I would expect that they would at least create a page dedicated
to his legacy...

On May 23, 11:26 pm, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote:
 After just a few rides on a brand-new Selle Anatomica, it looks like
 our old mule (Gladys) with a deeply swayed back.  The manufacturer's
 website seems to say, don't worry about the way this looks, just
 tighten it up a bit at a time until it's comfortable.

 I'm willing to follow the manufacturer's advice, but i'm pretty
 certain I've never seen a leather saddle sag and splay like this
 anytime in the last 30+ years of riding Ideales and Brooks.  Moreover,
 I have what is supposed to be the identical saddle (different color)
 on my Roadeo, and have not had any sagging at all.

 Anyone else experience this with the Anatomicas, or have words of
 advice/wisdom?

 FWIW, I'm a Clyde and this is their Clyde model, ostensibly.

 thanks.
 RL

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[RBW] Re: FS: Parts

2011-05-24 Thread doug peterson
Is the BB new?

dougP

On May 23, 12:57 pm, williwoods willh...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Cages: Nitto R and Electra/Nitto knockoff cage $40 for Nitto $10 for
 Electra
 Front Der: Shimano Ultegra $20
 BB: IRD sealed 68x113 $15
 Headset: Cane Creek Classic 100 1  $70
 Rear Der: Shimano Ultegra High normal $65
 Crank arms: Stronglight 170mm no rings $35

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/willhrtn/sets/72157625721858877/

 ask for pics of the crank arms if interested, they are in great shape.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell influence - Maybe the racer crowd is getting it?!!

2011-05-24 Thread eflayer
there is no comparison between the Rambouillet and the Cronus except
maybe two things; they both take fenders and the Cronus has a tall
enough headtube and a long enough fork steerer tube to almost enable
matching the bar height on the Riv. Riv is 58 with upjutting Salsa
quill. Cronus is a 58 with 215 headtube, 5cm of spacers, and 102
degree stem.

After that they are quite different. Steep angles, high bb, short
chainstays on the Cronus. Riv is spingy in a good way by comparision
and Cronus seems to fly by comparison. Cronus carbon is stiff and
slightly not forgiving, but is probably 7 lbs lighter than the coupled
Riv.

Riv goes bouncy bounce over bumps, Cronus goes cerchunk! I like the
Cronus plenty and have enjoyed its lightness of being. Don't care
about fenders on a carbon bike and would like to try a Specialized
Roubaix as I think it is closer in geo to my sweet Riv geo.

On May 24, 8:20 am, Zac zac.stan...@gmail.com wrote:
 Fisher does still make steel bikes. They make a cyclocross bike called
 the Presidio. It's made out of True Temper OX platinum and is very
 similar to the Lemond Poprad. Plenty o' clearance and canti brakes.

 Zac

 On May 24, 7:11 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:



  If it's still carbon they didn't get the message. I wish Fisher still
  made steel bikes; the other two models are alu-min-numb.

  Also I would like to point out that some Rivendell owners like riding
  fast and even race. They just appreciate beautiful steel bicycles with
  lugs.

  ~mike

  On May 24, 4:22 am, Jay LePree lep...@optonline.net wrote:

   Hi all:

   I had to pick up some tubes at my LBS which sell Trek bikes.  Trek has
   the standard 520 model and some other commuting models, but I was
   surprised to see the Gary Fisher Cronus. The owner called my attention
   to it because he knows my preference for higher handlebars, fenders,
   28 mm wide (or wider) tires.

   The Cronus is a CF racing bike with a taller head tube, and vanishing
   fender mounts that can be screwed in and out.  The bike comes with
   Sheldon Fender nuts already installed in the back of the brakes so the
   user can attach fenders without removing the brakes.  I put in my
   front wheel that has a Ruffy Tuffy, and it cleared without any
   problem.  Interesting take on a racer.  I imagine that there was some
   Rivendell influence there.

   Jay
   Demarest, NJ- Hide quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell influence - Maybe the racer crowd is getting it?!!

2011-05-24 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com
Nice comparo!

On May 24, 9:28 am, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:
 there is no comparison between the Rambouillet and the Cronus except
 maybe two things; they both take fenders and the Cronus has a tall
 enough headtube and a long enough fork steerer tube to almost enable
 matching the bar height on the Riv. Riv is 58 with upjutting Salsa
 quill. Cronus is a 58 with 215 headtube, 5cm of spacers, and 102
 degree stem.

 After that they are quite different. Steep angles, high bb, short
 chainstays on the Cronus. Riv is spingy in a good way by comparision
 and Cronus seems to fly by comparison. Cronus carbon is stiff and
 slightly not forgiving, but is probably 7 lbs lighter than the coupled
 Riv.

 Riv goes bouncy bounce over bumps, Cronus goes cerchunk! I like the
 Cronus plenty and have enjoyed its lightness of being. Don't care
 about fenders on a carbon bike and would like to try a Specialized
 Roubaix as I think it is closer in geo to my sweet Riv geo.

 On May 24, 8:20 am, Zac zac.stan...@gmail.com wrote:







  Fisher does still make steel bikes. They make a cyclocross bike called
  the Presidio. It's made out of True Temper OX platinum and is very
  similar to the Lemond Poprad. Plenty o' clearance and canti brakes.

  Zac

  On May 24, 7:11 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:

   If it's still carbon they didn't get the message. I wish Fisher still
   made steel bikes; the other two models are alu-min-numb.

   Also I would like to point out that some Rivendell owners like riding
   fast and even race. They just appreciate beautiful steel bicycles with
   lugs.

   ~mike

   On May 24, 4:22 am, Jay LePree lep...@optonline.net wrote:

Hi all:

I had to pick up some tubes at my LBS which sell Trek bikes.  Trek has
the standard 520 model and some other commuting models, but I was
surprised to see the Gary Fisher Cronus. The owner called my attention
to it because he knows my preference for higher handlebars, fenders,
28 mm wide (or wider) tires.

The Cronus is a CF racing bike with a taller head tube, and vanishing
fender mounts that can be screwed in and out.  The bike comes with
Sheldon Fender nuts already installed in the back of the brakes so the
user can attach fenders without removing the brakes.  I put in my
front wheel that has a Ruffy Tuffy, and it cleared without any
problem.  Interesting take on a racer.  I imagine that there was some
Rivendell influence there.

Jay
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell influence - Maybe the racer crowd is getting it?!!

2011-05-24 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com
Obviously at least one of the reasons.

On May 24, 7:16 am, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:
 i own a Rambouillet and a Fisher Cronus. is that why i am still stuck
 on earth after 6 pm last saturday?

 On May 24, 7:11 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:







  If it's still carbon they didn't get the message. I wish Fisher still
  made steel bikes; the other two models are alu-min-numb.

  Also I would like to point out that some Rivendell owners like riding
  fast and even race. They just appreciate beautiful steel bicycles with
  lugs.

  ~mike

  On May 24, 4:22 am, Jay LePree lep...@optonline.net wrote:

   Hi all:

   I had to pick up some tubes at my LBS which sell Trek bikes.  Trek has
   the standard 520 model and some other commuting models, but I was
   surprised to see the Gary Fisher Cronus. The owner called my attention
   to it because he knows my preference for higher handlebars, fenders,
   28 mm wide (or wider) tires.

   The Cronus is a CF racing bike with a taller head tube, and vanishing
   fender mounts that can be screwed in and out.  The bike comes with
   Sheldon Fender nuts already installed in the back of the brakes so the
   user can attach fenders without removing the brakes.  I put in my
   front wheel that has a Ruffy Tuffy, and it cleared without any
   problem.  Interesting take on a racer.  I imagine that there was some
   Rivendell influence there.

   Jay
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[RBW] Re: Decision Potential

2011-05-24 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
Oh, you can bet they'll be set up with various arrangements at various
times, probably rarely the same. I've got four ready-to-go cockpits
now (Alba, Moustache, Noodle, tall Bullmoose 150), one not-so-ready-to-
go (normal Bullmoose 150). And I have two more in mind (bar-end
Silvers Alba; current one is Thumbie/Shimano) and another Bullmoose
(200mm, to become tall Bullmoose while 150 becomes normal Bullmoose).

One area which I won't vary is to fender or not; both bikes will wear
fenders at all times. Which kind of matters, because that means that
if I choose to go with 2 Hillbornes, I'll be limited to 700x40 tires
(I'm not comfortable with less fender clearance than that). That's
fine but not ideal. The kind of riding I do does not *require* fatter
tires. But having one fatter-tired bike would be another level of
variety without compromise.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On May 23, 11:34 pm, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com
wrote:
 My vote would be two non-identical Hillbornes. It would be interesting
 (for me) to (have you) set up the same frame for different purposes.
 One smooth road, one roughstuff.

  Philip

  Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com

 On May 23, 4:28 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
 wrote:







  Hi!

  I've an important decision to make: 62cm Hunqapillar or a (second) 60cm 
  Hillborne?

  At least, I *may* have that decision to make. No amount of measuring will 
  actually let me *know* if I can actually straddle the Hunqapillar. I have a 
  nominal 90cm PBH. All the other numbers seem reasonable to me. So it is 
  *possible* that I *might* be comfortable on one. I don't know.

  So... if there's a 62cm Hunqapillar owner in the Chicago area (generously 
  defined) who'd be willing to let me throw a leg over their Hunqapillar, I 
  would greatly appreciate it. I wouldn't need the wheels to roll, let alone 
  to actually ride it. Just to straddle it to see where the top tube lives.

  It'd be fantastic if it proved appropriate. But it'd still be great to 
  *know* if it didn't. It would eliminate any down-the-road 
  missed-opportunity regrets.

  Much as I love love love my Hillborne, I do feel slightly odd about buying 
  two identical bikes. And I don't dismiss the allure of the Fatter Tire and 
  Rougher Trail and Even Heavier Load.

  Please e-mail me offline if you're willing to let me check it out. I'll 
  come directly to you or meet you anywhere neutral and convenient for you. 
  We could arrange it with all the notice you need. Obviously, weekends or 
  evenings would be great but I'm willing to consider pretty much any time. 
  I'm hoping (but not committed to) make my choice (if I actually have one) 
  in July. But I'm flexible.

  Thanks for reading, let alone considering, my request!

  And feel free to fill this thread online with 
  opinions/insights/experiences of having two identical bikes or multiple RBW 
  bikes or comparisons/contrasts between Hillborne-like and Hunqapillar-like 
  bikes. I'm interested.

  Yours,
  Thomas Lynn Skean
  P. S. Would t'were we all had such problems!

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[RBW] Re: Decision Potential

2011-05-24 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
At this point the Bombadil just feels too pricey.

I can't claim that I'm too fiscally responsible to go with a
Bombadil. But I am that fiscally wimpy. That's $700-$1,100 worth of
bags or racks or dynamo wheels/lights or dreamy tires or bags (I do
love bags) or rugged 40-hole-Phil/Dyad/FW rear wheels or leather
tape... ...you get the idea.

I may spring for a paint job up front for the potential Hunqapillar or
Hillborne, so the actual difference wouldn't necessarily be just the
frameset price difference. I love the Hillborne orange, don't love the
Hillborne green, and thus *may* spring for a different color just to
avoid having two literally identical frames. And as for the
Hunqapillar... ...well, I'm sorry it's rare that I feel this way
about stuff RBW produces... but that paint job is *not* attractive to
me. At all. There. I said it. It's right there with the grid grey
bags. And the diaga-tube. That's pretty much it for RBW stuff that I
don't like the look of. And I don't proclaim them to be bad art or
anything. I don't know from art. They simply don't appeal to me.

I should say... the diaga-tube I trust to be an actual improvement in
the frame's strength. Which I am very happy to have, weighing 245. And
if the cost of that is (to me) a not-so-big-deal aesthetic compromise,
I'll take the strength any day. I'll look at it all day long and see
nothing but the strength.

But even with the Hunqapillar it's not a given that I'll get it re-
painted. Looks do matter to me. But they really fade in importance
when you ride a bike like the Hillborne. And eventually, though I
won't come to like the look of the Hunqapillar itself, I will
associate its unique appearance with the miles I enjoy riding it. I
mean... I drive a Honda Fit. The thing is really kind of silly
looking. But now when I look at it, I see and appreciate the things
we've used it for, and not the boxy brick-like profile. It's not that
I now like the way it looks. It's that now the way it looks is simply
part of *it*, for which I have developed my great appreciation.

But... if I do get my new bike painted... it'll almost certainly be
the color of the Hillborne wearing the silver Longboard fenders on the
RBW web-site. I'm told it's called Mary's Blue. And I think it'd be
even more gorgeous on a Hunqapillar.

http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sks-longboard-fenders/27-014

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On May 24, 10:17 am, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:
 Another vote for a Bomba.

 On May 23, 7:45 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:







  How 'bout a 60cm Bombadil?    If not, and you can't find a local
  Hunqapillar to try, consider that 2cm is not much difference at
  all.    But, one test would be to straddle your SH, grab the bars in
  one hand and the seat in the other, and lift;  then have someone take
  a look at how high the wheels come off the ground.      If you have an
  inch or two of clearance, the HP should work.

  Anyway good luck with the choices.

  -Matt

  On May 23, 7:28 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
  wrote:

   Hi!

   I've an important decision to make: 62cm Hunqapillar or a (second) 60cm 
   Hillborne?

   At least, I *may* have that decision to make. No amount of measuring will 
   actually let me *know* if I can actually straddle the Hunqapillar. I have 
   a nominal 90cm PBH. All the other numbers seem reasonable to me. So it is 
   *possible* that I *might* be comfortable on one. I don't know.

   So... if there's a 62cm Hunqapillar owner in the Chicago area (generously 
   defined) who'd be willing to let me throw a leg over their Hunqapillar, I 
   would greatly appreciate it. I wouldn't need the wheels to roll, let 
   alone to actually ride it. Just to straddle it to see where the top tube 
   lives.

   It'd be fantastic if it proved appropriate. But it'd still be great to 
   *know* if it didn't. It would eliminate any down-the-road 
   missed-opportunity regrets.

   Much as I love love love my Hillborne, I do feel slightly odd about 
   buying two identical bikes. And I don't dismiss the allure of the Fatter 
   Tire and Rougher Trail and Even Heavier Load.

   Please e-mail me offline if you're willing to let me check it out. I'll 
   come directly to you or meet you anywhere neutral and convenient for you. 
   We could arrange it with all the notice you need. Obviously, weekends or 
   evenings would be great but I'm willing to consider pretty much any time. 
   I'm hoping (but not committed to) make my choice (if I actually have one) 
   in July. But I'm flexible.

   Thanks for reading, let alone considering, my request!

   And feel free to fill this thread online with 
   opinions/insights/experiences of having two identical bikes or multiple 
   RBW bikes or comparisons/contrasts between Hillborne-like and 
   Hunqapillar-like bikes. I'm interested.

   Yours,
   Thomas Lynn Skean
   P. S. Would t'were we all had such problems!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Parts

2011-05-24 Thread williwoods
used. has a little scratch on it from the BB cable guide mounting
bolt. other than that its incredibly butter smooth. Only used about
400 miles or so.

On May 24, 9:18 am, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 Is the BB new?

 dougP

 On May 23, 12:57 pm, williwoods willh...@yahoo.com wrote:



  Cages: Nitto R and Electra/Nitto knockoff cage $40 for Nitto $10 for
  Electra
  Front Der: Shimano Ultegra $20
  BB: IRD sealed 68x113 $15
  Headset: Cane Creek Classic 100 1  $70
  Rear Der: Shimano Ultegra High normal $65
  Crank arms: Stronglight 170mm no rings $35

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/willhrtn/sets/72157625721858877/

  ask for pics of the crank arms if interested, they are in great shape.

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[RBW] Re: Decision Potential

2011-05-24 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
Well... it's not really that simple for me. Either of these bikes will
completely and comfortably cover the functionality I need and want.
Increasing my capabilities is something of an unlikely project, since
they are limited not by the bike but its engine :) I expect to do no
riding that I wouldn't feel perfectly comfortable doing on the
Hunqapillar or the Hillborne. If I had them both, I might prefer one
over the other every now and then, with most ties I'd expect to go to
the Hillborne. I've got a prejudice; if I could end up with two of one
and one of the other, I'd choose to have two Hillbornes and a single
Hunqapillar.

To me it's more a question of: Will I appreciate the variety itself
enough to give up near-total redundancy on the known-and-loved? I
mean, there's always the possibility that I won't actually love the
Hunqapillar. But I confess I've lately developed a desire to taste the
cushy goodness and even-more-solid ride that I'd expect from a
Hunqapillar. It's even remotely possible that I'll *prefer* it to the
Hillborne (hard to imagine from my current perspective).

As a practical matter, of course, I still will have lots of redundancy
with the Hillborne/Hunqapillar combination. I expect to be able to
swap cockpits without problem. Most parts and accessories will be
swappable (perhaps with tweaking) without any compromise. Fenders and
tires probably not. And maybe the seatpost, since there's some
possibility I won't be able to get a 27.2 seat tube on the
Hunqapillar. And I don't know about bottom brackets. Small
differences, but differences nonetheless.

So it's variety versus small compromise. I'm tending towards the
Hunqapillar, I think. But I won't hesitate to get a Hillborne if the
Hunqapillar doesn't fit. I haven't decided what I'm going to do if I
can't find out about the Hunqapillar's fit.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On May 24, 12:02 pm, Brett Lindenbach brett.lindenb...@gmail.com
wrote:
 thomas, you only need to answer one question: what is it you want your new
 bike to do?

 if the answer is to duplicate what you already have, then go for it.  i
 should add that having an identical bike would allow you to go for rides
 with your doppelgänger when he visits.  or you could set up one hillborne as
 your commuter, and the other more for distance/light touring.

 personally, i'd get something that increases my capabilities.  i travel a
 lot, and often wish i had my bike with me.  i might consider getting a
 lightweight riv set up to break apart for travel.  or maybe a fun little
 brommie.

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[RBW] Re: Decision Potential

2011-05-24 Thread Brett Lindenbach
thomas, you only need to answer one question: what is it you want your new 
bike to do?

if the answer is to duplicate what you already have, then go for it.  i 
should add that having an identical bike would allow you to go for rides 
with your doppelgänger when he visits.  or you could set up one hillborne as 
your commuter, and the other more for distance/light touring.

personally, i'd get something that increases my capabilities.  i travel a 
lot, and often wish i had my bike with me.  i might consider getting a 
lightweight riv set up to break apart for travel.  or maybe a fun little 
brommie.

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[RBW] New Brooks Saddles and Carradice Bag For Sale

2011-05-24 Thread velovixen
I bought one saddle for a project I never did, and took the other as
part of a trade.  And I received the bag as a gift.

The saddles are both Brooks B-17s.  They're both black, with steel
rivets, and come new in their boxes.  One is a standard B17 (men's)
and the other is a B-17 Narrow.  I ride Brooks saddles on my bike and
have spares.  So I don't anticipate needing either of these for a long
time.

The Super C Rack Trunk is made from black waxed canvas, like other
Carradice bags.  Its capacity is thirteen liters, which is larger than
most other bags of its type.  I use Carradice saddlebags, but I don't
use rack trunks, which is why I'm selling this one.

I'm asking 90 dollars for any of these items.  Shipping is free to a
USA address; if you want anything sent outside the US, let me know and
I'll check on shipping costs.

If you want two of these items, I'm asking 175.  Or,  if you want all
three, you can have them for 250 dollars.

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[RBW] Re: Decision Potential

2011-05-24 Thread Zack
I think I have something to offer here.

I measured my own PBH to 91 cm.  I went to Riv, used their method, and
got 94 cm (with someone helping, using the paint stick, and really
going for it lol).

I am 6'3 and 240 for reference.

I rode the 62 Hunqapillar and the 64 Hillborne.

I ended up going with the Sam.  I thought that it would be more
versatile, as I do some longer rides that I would want a bike that
feels a little more lighter and spry.  I thought that the Sam would be
great for that, and wouldn't buck if I decided to go camping and ride
a bit shorter distance.

If I were to get another Riv, the Hunqa would be at the top of my
list.  It was really fun to ride, and seems like it would be a beast
on fire trails, with a full load.  Just a super fun bike to ride.

I personally would not get another Sam.

I am, however, with you on both the diagatube and the Hunqapillar
paint job.  I don't like the grey/maroon combo.  I also think that
getting a custom paint job with a green or blue plus the cream would
make the bike look sweet, and would lessen the weirdness of the
diagatube somehow.  I think sometimes people scoff at the aesthetics,
but, let's face it, how a bike looks (particularly a riv) is part of
the greatness.  Even with all that being said, I would love to have
one of the stock hunqas.  It's a really sweet bike.  One of those you
have to ride it to understand things I think.

I would also call Riv to ask them about the fit, they would be best
suited to answer your questions I think.

On May 24, 1:58 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
wrote:
 Well... it's not really that simple for me. Either of these bikes will
 completely and comfortably cover the functionality I need and want.
 Increasing my capabilities is something of an unlikely project, since
 they are limited not by the bike but its engine :) I expect to do no
 riding that I wouldn't feel perfectly comfortable doing on the
 Hunqapillar or the Hillborne. If I had them both, I might prefer one
 over the other every now and then, with most ties I'd expect to go to
 the Hillborne. I've got a prejudice; if I could end up with two of one
 and one of the other, I'd choose to have two Hillbornes and a single
 Hunqapillar.

 To me it's more a question of: Will I appreciate the variety itself
 enough to give up near-total redundancy on the known-and-loved? I
 mean, there's always the possibility that I won't actually love the
 Hunqapillar. But I confess I've lately developed a desire to taste the
 cushy goodness and even-more-solid ride that I'd expect from a
 Hunqapillar. It's even remotely possible that I'll *prefer* it to the
 Hillborne (hard to imagine from my current perspective).

 As a practical matter, of course, I still will have lots of redundancy
 with the Hillborne/Hunqapillar combination. I expect to be able to
 swap cockpits without problem. Most parts and accessories will be
 swappable (perhaps with tweaking) without any compromise. Fenders and
 tires probably not. And maybe the seatpost, since there's some
 possibility I won't be able to get a 27.2 seat tube on the
 Hunqapillar. And I don't know about bottom brackets. Small
 differences, but differences nonetheless.

 So it's variety versus small compromise. I'm tending towards the
 Hunqapillar, I think. But I won't hesitate to get a Hillborne if the
 Hunqapillar doesn't fit. I haven't decided what I'm going to do if I
 can't find out about the Hunqapillar's fit.

 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean

 On May 24, 12:02 pm, Brett Lindenbach brett.lindenb...@gmail.com
 wrote:



  thomas, you only need to answer one question: what is it you want your new
  bike to do?

  if the answer is to duplicate what you already have, then go for it.  i
  should add that having an identical bike would allow you to go for rides
  with your doppelgänger when he visits.  or you could set up one hillborne as
  your commuter, and the other more for distance/light touring.

  personally, i'd get something that increases my capabilities.  i travel a
  lot, and often wish i had my bike with me.  i might consider getting a
  lightweight riv set up to break apart for travel.  or maybe a fun little
  brommie.

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[RBW] Re: Decision Potential

2011-05-24 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com
Why?

On May 24, 1:25 pm, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote:


 I personally would not get another Sam.


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[RBW] cheap compact double

2011-05-24 Thread William
Just a heads up.  Velo Orange now has the Sugino XD700 compact double
crankset marked down to $75.  I bought a set at $90 feeling like I got
the deal of the century.  Unfortunately they are out of my length, but
they have 165 and 175mm still.  It's a 110mm BCD 48/34.

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[RBW] Re: FS Atlantis, Phil Wood, Son hub, Nitto seat post...all kinds of new stuff

2011-05-24 Thread Andrew
Shifters are sold

On May 23, 1:04 pm, Andrew andrewkib...@gmail.com wrote:
 Selling off my project, please check the manufacturer websites for
 more info. Shipping is not included in the prices:

 1. Atlantis 58cm Frame and Fork and Ultegra Headset. Its a Toyo built
 one, can't get these anymore. Totally brand new. Still has the
 seatpost insert. Has one of the nicest paintjobs I have seen on an
 Atlantis. $1700

 http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/akibb/IMG_0050.jpghttp://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/akibb/IMG_0058-1.jpghttp://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/akibb/IMG_0054.jpghttp://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/akibb/IMG_0057.jpghttp://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/akibb/IMG_0053.jpghttp://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/akibb/IMG_0052.jpg

 2. Phil Wood Rear 135mm touring cassette hub. Brand new. 135mm spacing
 and 36 holes. Best touring hub there is. $295

 http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/akibb/IMG_0042.jpghttp://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/akibb/IMG_0044.jpg

 3. Dynamo 700c Wheelset. Brand new. Shimano Dynamo lx front hub, lx
 rear hub. 36h front and rear with Mavic A319. $250 for both.

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 4. Son Delux Dynamo hub. 36h silver polished. Brand new. These work
 with 700c and a led light. $235

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 5. Son Edelux dynamo headlight. Beautiful light, the best. $165

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 6. Nitto Jaguar Seatpost. Prettiest and strongest seatpost made by
 Nitto. 27.2mm width, 44 rails (standard not track) and 250mm length.
 Brand new. Check out that wrapping. $125

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 7. Sugino Alpina 172.5 Triple. 48-36-24. High polish sleeker version
 of the XD with a wider range. Had to special order these, not sure if
 you can get them anywhere. Brand New. 10 speed compatible. $175

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 8. Panaracer 35mm tourguard, set of 2. Brand new. $45

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 9. Shimano Barend shifters for 8 speed. Brand new $65

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[RBW] Re: Decision Potential

2011-05-24 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that it's not as simple as 62cm - 60cm
= 2cm difference in exactly what's important here, my ability to
comfortably straddle the top tube. There's seat tube angle, there's
rounding of published numbers, there's different effective top tube,
there's inconsistency in the available specifications.

That test provides some info, though. I did lift my Hillborne and I
can get it maybe 2 or 3cm off the ground (more accuracy than that is
not going to happen, I'm afraid). So basically it all adds up to too
close to call without some additional real world information.

First-hand experience would be great. As would any comparative
information from out in the field. Say, if someone said Hey, I own
both! My Sam is sorta tight and my Hunqapillar is even tighter, but
they both work for me.. Or if someone said No way, dude. I've got
both those bikes. All kinds of room on the Sam. But I had to get a 58
Hunqapillar. The 62cm was Way Too Big.

Alas life is not like that so far.

We should all have such problems! :)

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On May 23, 6:45 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 How 'bout a 60cm Bombadil?    If not, and you can't find a local
 Hunqapillar to try, consider that 2cm is not much difference at
 all.    But, one test would be to straddle your SH, grab the bars in
 one hand and the seat in the other, and lift;  then have someone take
 a look at how high the wheels come off the ground.      If you have an
 inch or two of clearance, the HP should work.

 Anyway good luck with the choices.

 -Matt

 On May 23, 7:28 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
 wrote:







  Hi!

  I've an important decision to make: 62cm Hunqapillar or a (second) 60cm 
  Hillborne?

  At least, I *may* have that decision to make. No amount of measuring will 
  actually let me *know* if I can actually straddle the Hunqapillar. I have a 
  nominal 90cm PBH. All the other numbers seem reasonable to me. So it is 
  *possible* that I *might* be comfortable on one. I don't know.

  So... if there's a 62cm Hunqapillar owner in the Chicago area (generously 
  defined) who'd be willing to let me throw a leg over their Hunqapillar, I 
  would greatly appreciate it. I wouldn't need the wheels to roll, let alone 
  to actually ride it. Just to straddle it to see where the top tube lives.

  It'd be fantastic if it proved appropriate. But it'd still be great to 
  *know* if it didn't. It would eliminate any down-the-road 
  missed-opportunity regrets.

  Much as I love love love my Hillborne, I do feel slightly odd about buying 
  two identical bikes. And I don't dismiss the allure of the Fatter Tire and 
  Rougher Trail and Even Heavier Load.

  Please e-mail me offline if you're willing to let me check it out. I'll 
  come directly to you or meet you anywhere neutral and convenient for you. 
  We could arrange it with all the notice you need. Obviously, weekends or 
  evenings would be great but I'm willing to consider pretty much any time. 
  I'm hoping (but not committed to) make my choice (if I actually have one) 
  in July. But I'm flexible.

  Thanks for reading, let alone considering, my request!

  And feel free to fill this thread online with 
  opinions/insights/experiences of having two identical bikes or multiple RBW 
  bikes or comparisons/contrasts between Hillborne-like and Hunqapillar-like 
  bikes. I'm interested.

  Yours,
  Thomas Lynn Skean
  P. S. Would t'were we all had such problems!

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[RBW] Re: Decision Potential

2011-05-24 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
Interesting, indeed.

I have not measured my PBH myself. The nice folks at The Country Bike
Shop in Celina, OH, did. (Can't say enough nice things about the
Dennings and The Country Bike Shop. Nice people and a wonderful
place.) I suspect theirs is comaprable to an RBW measurement. It felt
like it to me!

I'm 6' (probably plus a smidge) and 245. I'd say I have slightly-
longer-than-average legs. So the Country Bike Shop 90 PBH sounds right
to me. To me, your 6'4 - 94cm combination seems roughly consistent
with my 90 PBH measurement.

Did your clearance of the top tubes of the 64cm Hillborne and the
62cm Hunqapillar seem very similar?

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean
Enjoying the problem.

On May 24, 3:25 pm, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think I have something to offer here.

 I measured my own PBH to 91 cm.  I went to Riv, used their method, and
 got 94 cm (with someone helping, using the paint stick, and really
 going for it lol).

 I am 6'3 and 240 for reference.

 I rode the 62 Hunqapillar and the 64 Hillborne.

 I ended up going with the Sam.  I thought that it would be more
 versatile, as I do some longer rides that I would want a bike that
 feels a little more lighter and spry.  I thought that the Sam would be
 great for that, and wouldn't buck if I decided to go camping and ride
 a bit shorter distance.

 If I were to get another Riv, the Hunqa would be at the top of my
 list.  It was really fun to ride, and seems like it would be a beast
 on fire trails, with a full load.  Just a super fun bike to ride.

 I personally would not get another Sam.

 I am, however, with you on both the diagatube and the Hunqapillar
 paint job.  I don't like the grey/maroon combo.  I also think that
 getting a custom paint job with a green or blue plus the cream would
 make the bike look sweet, and would lessen the weirdness of the
 diagatube somehow.  I think sometimes people scoff at the aesthetics,
 but, let's face it, how a bike looks (particularly a riv) is part of
 the greatness.  Even with all that being said, I would love to have
 one of the stock hunqas.  It's a really sweet bike.  One of those you
 have to ride it to understand things I think.

 I would also call Riv to ask them about the fit, they would be best
 suited to answer your questions I think.

 On May 24, 1:58 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
 wrote:







  Well... it's not really that simple for me. Either of these bikes will
  completely and comfortably cover the functionality I need and want.
  Increasing my capabilities is something of an unlikely project, since
  they are limited not by the bike but its engine :) I expect to do no
  riding that I wouldn't feel perfectly comfortable doing on the
  Hunqapillar or the Hillborne. If I had them both, I might prefer one
  over the other every now and then, with most ties I'd expect to go to
  the Hillborne. I've got a prejudice; if I could end up with two of one
  and one of the other, I'd choose to have two Hillbornes and a single
  Hunqapillar.

  To me it's more a question of: Will I appreciate the variety itself
  enough to give up near-total redundancy on the known-and-loved? I
  mean, there's always the possibility that I won't actually love the
  Hunqapillar. But I confess I've lately developed a desire to taste the
  cushy goodness and even-more-solid ride that I'd expect from a
  Hunqapillar. It's even remotely possible that I'll *prefer* it to the
  Hillborne (hard to imagine from my current perspective).

  As a practical matter, of course, I still will have lots of redundancy
  with the Hillborne/Hunqapillar combination. I expect to be able to
  swap cockpits without problem. Most parts and accessories will be
  swappable (perhaps with tweaking) without any compromise. Fenders and
  tires probably not. And maybe the seatpost, since there's some
  possibility I won't be able to get a 27.2 seat tube on the
  Hunqapillar. And I don't know about bottom brackets. Small
  differences, but differences nonetheless.

  So it's variety versus small compromise. I'm tending towards the
  Hunqapillar, I think. But I won't hesitate to get a Hillborne if the
  Hunqapillar doesn't fit. I haven't decided what I'm going to do if I
  can't find out about the Hunqapillar's fit.

  Yours,
  Thomas Lynn Skean

  On May 24, 12:02 pm, Brett Lindenbach brett.lindenb...@gmail.com
  wrote:

   thomas, you only need to answer one question: what is it you want your new
   bike to do?

   if the answer is to duplicate what you already have, then go for it.  i
   should add that having an identical bike would allow you to go for rides
   with your doppelgänger when he visits.  or you could set up one hillborne 
   as
   your commuter, and the other more for distance/light touring.

   personally, i'd get something that increases my capabilities.  i travel a
   lot, and often wish i had my bike with me.  i might consider getting a
   lightweight riv set up to break apart for travel.  or maybe a fun 

Re: [RBW] Re: Decision Potential

2011-05-24 Thread Rene Sterental
FWIW, I started with a 61cm Homer and then got a 60cm Bombadil. The
Homer fit perfectly and it's fit has been improved with a 7cm Nitto
stem. It also runs 35 Supreme tires. The Bombadil with 50 Supremes
proved too long and dangerously too high for standover clearance. The
horizontal length was the killer factor and I exchanged it for a 61
Atlantis.

My center of crank to saddle distance is 78.8cm. Can't remember my exact PBH.

Rene

Sent from my iPhone 4

On May 24, 2011, at 5:03 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean
thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote:

 Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that it's not as simple as 62cm - 60cm
 = 2cm difference in exactly what's important here, my ability to
 comfortably straddle the top tube. There's seat tube angle, there's
 rounding of published numbers, there's different effective top tube,
 there's inconsistency in the available specifications.

 That test provides some info, though. I did lift my Hillborne and I
 can get it maybe 2 or 3cm off the ground (more accuracy than that is
 not going to happen, I'm afraid). So basically it all adds up to too
 close to call without some additional real world information.

 First-hand experience would be great. As would any comparative
 information from out in the field. Say, if someone said Hey, I own
 both! My Sam is sorta tight and my Hunqapillar is even tighter, but
 they both work for me.. Or if someone said No way, dude. I've got
 both those bikes. All kinds of room on the Sam. But I had to get a 58
 Hunqapillar. The 62cm was Way Too Big.

 Alas life is not like that so far.

 We should all have such problems! :)

 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean

 On May 23, 6:45 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 How 'bout a 60cm Bombadil?If not, and you can't find a local
 Hunqapillar to try, consider that 2cm is not much difference at
 all.But, one test would be to straddle your SH, grab the bars in
 one hand and the seat in the other, and lift;  then have someone take
 a look at how high the wheels come off the ground.  If you have an
 inch or two of clearance, the HP should work.

 Anyway good luck with the choices.

 -Matt

 On May 23, 7:28 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
 wrote:







 Hi!

 I've an important decision to make: 62cm Hunqapillar or a (second) 60cm 
 Hillborne?

 At least, I *may* have that decision to make. No amount of measuring will 
 actually let me *know* if I can actually straddle the Hunqapillar. I have a 
 nominal 90cm PBH. All the other numbers seem reasonable to me. So it is 
 *possible* that I *might* be comfortable on one. I don't know.

 So... if there's a 62cm Hunqapillar owner in the Chicago area (generously 
 defined) who'd be willing to let me throw a leg over their Hunqapillar, I 
 would greatly appreciate it. I wouldn't need the wheels to roll, let alone 
 to actually ride it. Just to straddle it to see where the top tube lives.

 It'd be fantastic if it proved appropriate. But it'd still be great to 
 *know* if it didn't. It would eliminate any down-the-road 
 missed-opportunity regrets.

 Much as I love love love my Hillborne, I do feel slightly odd about buying 
 two identical bikes. And I don't dismiss the allure of the Fatter Tire and 
 Rougher Trail and Even Heavier Load.

 Please e-mail me offline if you're willing to let me check it out. I'll 
 come directly to you or meet you anywhere neutral and convenient for you. 
 We could arrange it with all the notice you need. Obviously, weekends or 
 evenings would be great but I'm willing to consider pretty much any time. 
 I'm hoping (but not committed to) make my choice (if I actually have one) 
 in July. But I'm flexible.

 Thanks for reading, let alone considering, my request!

 And feel free to fill this thread online with 
 opinions/insights/experiences of having two identical bikes or multiple RBW 
 bikes or comparisons/contrasts between Hillborne-like and Hunqapillar-like 
 bikes. I'm interested.

 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean
 P. S. Would t'were we all had such problems!

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[RBW] Re: Decision Potential

2011-05-24 Thread William
It's time for a sweet custom!

On May 24, 3:55 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
 FWIW, I started with a 61cm Homer and then got a 60cm Bombadil. The
 Homer fit perfectly and it's fit has been improved with a 7cm Nitto
 stem. It also runs 35 Supreme tires. The Bombadil with 50 Supremes
 proved too long and dangerously too high for standover clearance. The
 horizontal length was the killer factor and I exchanged it for a 61
 Atlantis.

 My center of crank to saddle distance is 78.8cm. Can't remember my exact PBH.

 Rene

 Sent from my iPhone 4

 On May 24, 2011, at 5:03 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean







 thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote:
  Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that it's not as simple as 62cm - 60cm
  = 2cm difference in exactly what's important here, my ability to
  comfortably straddle the top tube. There's seat tube angle, there's
  rounding of published numbers, there's different effective top tube,
  there's inconsistency in the available specifications.

  That test provides some info, though. I did lift my Hillborne and I
  can get it maybe 2 or 3cm off the ground (more accuracy than that is
  not going to happen, I'm afraid). So basically it all adds up to too
  close to call without some additional real world information.

  First-hand experience would be great. As would any comparative
  information from out in the field. Say, if someone said Hey, I own
  both! My Sam is sorta tight and my Hunqapillar is even tighter, but
  they both work for me.. Or if someone said No way, dude. I've got
  both those bikes. All kinds of room on the Sam. But I had to get a 58
  Hunqapillar. The 62cm was Way Too Big.

  Alas life is not like that so far.

  We should all have such problems! :)

  Yours,
  Thomas Lynn Skean

  On May 23, 6:45 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:
  How 'bout a 60cm Bombadil?    If not, and you can't find a local
  Hunqapillar to try, consider that 2cm is not much difference at
  all.    But, one test would be to straddle your SH, grab the bars in
  one hand and the seat in the other, and lift;  then have someone take
  a look at how high the wheels come off the ground.      If you have an
  inch or two of clearance, the HP should work.

  Anyway good luck with the choices.

  -Matt

  On May 23, 7:28 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
  wrote:

  Hi!

  I've an important decision to make: 62cm Hunqapillar or a (second) 60cm 
  Hillborne?

  At least, I *may* have that decision to make. No amount of measuring will 
  actually let me *know* if I can actually straddle the Hunqapillar. I have 
  a nominal 90cm PBH. All the other numbers seem reasonable to me. So it is 
  *possible* that I *might* be comfortable on one. I don't know.

  So... if there's a 62cm Hunqapillar owner in the Chicago area (generously 
  defined) who'd be willing to let me throw a leg over their Hunqapillar, I 
  would greatly appreciate it. I wouldn't need the wheels to roll, let 
  alone to actually ride it. Just to straddle it to see where the top tube 
  lives.

  It'd be fantastic if it proved appropriate. But it'd still be great to 
  *know* if it didn't. It would eliminate any down-the-road 
  missed-opportunity regrets.

  Much as I love love love my Hillborne, I do feel slightly odd about 
  buying two identical bikes. And I don't dismiss the allure of the Fatter 
  Tire and Rougher Trail and Even Heavier Load.

  Please e-mail me offline if you're willing to let me check it out. I'll 
  come directly to you or meet you anywhere neutral and convenient for you. 
  We could arrange it with all the notice you need. Obviously, weekends or 
  evenings would be great but I'm willing to consider pretty much any time. 
  I'm hoping (but not committed to) make my choice (if I actually have one) 
  in July. But I'm flexible.

  Thanks for reading, let alone considering, my request!

  And feel free to fill this thread online with 
  opinions/insights/experiences of having two identical bikes or multiple 
  RBW bikes or comparisons/contrasts between Hillborne-like and 
  Hunqapillar-like bikes. I'm interested.

  Yours,
  Thomas Lynn Skean
  P. S. Would t'were we all had such problems!

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[RBW] Re: Looking for a 57 or 55cm Bleriot...

2011-05-24 Thread S.Cutshall
Back to the drawingboard...

Anyone -else- have a 55cm Bleriot frameset they are interested in
trading or selling outright?

Otherwise, (Bill, right?) I am leaning toward that 57cm frameset
swap.

I am more than a little upset with a certain List member here who has
Back-n-Forth'd me to death and then in the 11th hour of finalizing the
deal, pulled the plug on me without explanation. They shall remain
nameless, but I will remember the name.

-Scott

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[RBW] Re: Decision Potential

2011-05-24 Thread Zack
Tom-

I am 6'3 and would say that I have a relatively short inseam.  I have
a very long torso.

I would say that the 62 Hunqa felt significantly smaller than the 64
Sam did.  It didn't, however, feel tiny.

Also, your comment about fendering both bikes pushes me even more
firmly in the direction of picking up the Hunq - either the 62 or,
gasp, the 60.  Then you could still run big boy tires, even with the
fenders.  Just seems like you could do so much more with the combo of
the Sam and the Hunqa.


On May 24, 6:33 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
wrote:
 Interesting, indeed.

 I have not measured my PBH myself. The nice folks at The Country Bike
 Shop in Celina, OH, did. (Can't say enough nice things about the
 Dennings and The Country Bike Shop. Nice people and a wonderful
 place.) I suspect theirs is comaprable to an RBW measurement. It felt
 like it to me!

 I'm 6' (probably plus a smidge) and 245. I'd say I have slightly-
 longer-than-average legs. So the Country Bike Shop 90 PBH sounds right
 to me. To me, your 6'4 - 94cm combination seems roughly consistent
 with my 90 PBH measurement.

 Did your clearance of the top tubes of the 64cm Hillborne and the
 62cm Hunqapillar seem very similar?

 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean
 Enjoying the problem.

 On May 24, 3:25 pm, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote:



  I think I have something to offer here.

  I measured my own PBH to 91 cm.  I went to Riv, used their method, and
  got 94 cm (with someone helping, using the paint stick, and really
  going for it lol).

  I am 6'3 and 240 for reference.

  I rode the 62 Hunqapillar and the 64 Hillborne.

  I ended up going with the Sam.  I thought that it would be more
  versatile, as I do some longer rides that I would want a bike that
  feels a little more lighter and spry.  I thought that the Sam would be
  great for that, and wouldn't buck if I decided to go camping and ride
  a bit shorter distance.

  If I were to get another Riv, the Hunqa would be at the top of my
  list.  It was really fun to ride, and seems like it would be a beast
  on fire trails, with a full load.  Just a super fun bike to ride.

  I personally would not get another Sam.

  I am, however, with you on both the diagatube and the Hunqapillar
  paint job.  I don't like the grey/maroon combo.  I also think that
  getting a custom paint job with a green or blue plus the cream would
  make the bike look sweet, and would lessen the weirdness of the
  diagatube somehow.  I think sometimes people scoff at the aesthetics,
  but, let's face it, how a bike looks (particularly a riv) is part of
  the greatness.  Even with all that being said, I would love to have
  one of the stock hunqas.  It's a really sweet bike.  One of those you
  have to ride it to understand things I think.

  I would also call Riv to ask them about the fit, they would be best
  suited to answer your questions I think.

  On May 24, 1:58 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
  wrote:

   Well... it's not really that simple for me. Either of these bikes will
   completely and comfortably cover the functionality I need and want.
   Increasing my capabilities is something of an unlikely project, since
   they are limited not by the bike but its engine :) I expect to do no
   riding that I wouldn't feel perfectly comfortable doing on the
   Hunqapillar or the Hillborne. If I had them both, I might prefer one
   over the other every now and then, with most ties I'd expect to go to
   the Hillborne. I've got a prejudice; if I could end up with two of one
   and one of the other, I'd choose to have two Hillbornes and a single
   Hunqapillar.

   To me it's more a question of: Will I appreciate the variety itself
   enough to give up near-total redundancy on the known-and-loved? I
   mean, there's always the possibility that I won't actually love the
   Hunqapillar. But I confess I've lately developed a desire to taste the
   cushy goodness and even-more-solid ride that I'd expect from a
   Hunqapillar. It's even remotely possible that I'll *prefer* it to the
   Hillborne (hard to imagine from my current perspective).

   As a practical matter, of course, I still will have lots of redundancy
   with the Hillborne/Hunqapillar combination. I expect to be able to
   swap cockpits without problem. Most parts and accessories will be
   swappable (perhaps with tweaking) without any compromise. Fenders and
   tires probably not. And maybe the seatpost, since there's some
   possibility I won't be able to get a 27.2 seat tube on the
   Hunqapillar. And I don't know about bottom brackets. Small
   differences, but differences nonetheless.

   So it's variety versus small compromise. I'm tending towards the
   Hunqapillar, I think. But I won't hesitate to get a Hillborne if the
   Hunqapillar doesn't fit. I haven't decided what I'm going to do if I
   can't find out about the Hunqapillar's fit.

   Yours,
   Thomas Lynn Skean

   On May 24, 12:02 pm, Brett Lindenbach 

[RBW] Re: Inquiry re Sagging Selle AnAtomica

2011-05-24 Thread Bill M.
It doesn't look like the S-A site has changed at all in some time.  I
don't think that whoever is running he company is paying any attention
to the site.

Bill

On May 24, 9:09 am, Nick countrybicy...@gmail.com wrote:


 BTW - regarding Selle AnAtomica the company -  Do any of you find it
 curious that their web page makes no mention of the founder's untimely
 death? I would expect that they would at least create a page dedicated
 to his legacy...

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[RBW] Gamoh Rack QR Bracket

2011-05-24 Thread Mitch Browne
I have a Gamoh rack that I'm planning on moving along but want to keep
the quick release bracket that creates an extra mounting eyelet. I
haven't been able to locate anything like. Perhaps someone here has an
idea? Here's a link to the bracket.

http://tinyurl.com/3pxksy9

Thanks for leads, advice and suggestions.

Mitch
San Luis Obispo, CA

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[RBW] Re: Looking for a 57 or 55cm Bleriot...

2011-05-24 Thread S.Cutshall
PS-- the fella with the 57 is Rick, not Bill, sorry...

Rick if nothing appears I'll be in touch about your 57, thanks.

-Scott

On May 24, 5:20 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:
 Back to the drawingboard...

 Anyone -else- have a 55cm Bleriot frameset they are interested in
 trading or selling outright?

 Otherwise, (Bill, right?) I am leaning toward that 57cm frameset
 swap.

 I am more than a little upset with a certain List member here who has
 Back-n-Forth'd me to death and then in the 11th hour of finalizing the
 deal, pulled the plug on me without explanation. They shall remain
 nameless, but I will remember the name.

 -Scott

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[RBW] visit to the nitto factory

2011-05-24 Thread Seth Vidal
http://www.tokyofixedgear.com/ShopFeaturesDetail.asp?Bno=12

love the pictures and video.

-sv

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[RBW] FS: Rivendell Road 63.5cm

2011-05-24 Thread Joe Bartoe

Hi Everyone,

I still have my Riv frame for sale:

Here are links to the spec sheet and pic after it was repainted 2 years ago:

http://thesaltycyclist.blogspot.com/2009/07/rivendell-road-spec-sheet.html

http://thesaltycyclist.blogspot.com/2009/05/blog-post.html

The
 fork steer tube was replaced with a threadless steer tube when it was 
repainted at Joe Bell's shop. The frameset will include the Chris King 
headset and a Thompson Masterpiece silver seatpost, and a frame pump 
that was painted to match. The rear spacing is 130mm and it was built for short 
reach brakes (bottomed out). Can fit 25C with fender and up to 32C without.

The frame is in excellent shape. There
 a few nicks here and there which have been touched up (most are in 
inconspicuous places). The frame is still a stunner. 

If you have questions, please ask. I'm asking $1200 plus shipping ($50).

Thanks for looking,

Joe

Joe Bartoe

Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc.
email: j...@synapticcycles.com
website: www.synapticcycles.com
Twitter: @synapticcycles

phone: 949-374-6079

  

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[RBW] Re: FS Atlantis, Phil Wood, Son hub, Nitto seat post...all kinds of new stuff

2011-05-24 Thread Forrest
Wow, I could really wish this Atlantis frame weren't for sale . . . so
tempting . . . so beautiful.  -- Forrest

On May 24, 4:53 pm, Andrew andrewkib...@gmail.com wrote:
 Shifters are sold

 On May 23, 1:04 pm, Andrew andrewkib...@gmail.com wrote:







  Selling off my project, please check the manufacturer websites for
  more info. Shipping is not included in the prices:

  1. Atlantis 58cm Frame and Fork and Ultegra Headset. Its a Toyo built
  one, can't get these anymore. Totally brand new. Still has the
  seatpost insert. Has one of the nicest paintjobs I have seen on an
  Atlantis. $1700

 http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/akibb/IMG_0050.jpghttp://i19.p...

  2. Phil Wood Rear 135mm touring cassette hub. Brand new. 135mm spacing
  and 36 holes. Best touring hub there is. $295

 http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/akibb/IMG_0042.jpghttp://i19.p...

  3. Dynamo 700c Wheelset. Brand new. Shimano Dynamo lx front hub, lx
  rear hub. 36h front and rear with Mavic A319. $250 for both.

 http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/akibb/IMG_0045.jpghttp://i19.p...

  4. Son Delux Dynamo hub. 36h silver polished. Brand new. These work
  with 700c and a led light. $235

 http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/akibb/IMG_0035.jpghttp://i19.p...

  5. Son Edelux dynamo headlight. Beautiful light, the best. $165

 http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/akibb/IMG_0038.jpghttp://i19.p...

  6. Nitto Jaguar Seatpost. Prettiest and strongest seatpost made by
  Nitto. 27.2mm width, 44 rails (standard not track) and 250mm length.
  Brand new. Check out that wrapping. $125

 http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/akibb/IMG_0029.jpghttp://i19.p...

  7. Sugino Alpina 172.5 Triple. 48-36-24. High polish sleeker version
  of the XD with a wider range. Had to special order these, not sure if
  you can get them anywhere. Brand New. 10 speed compatible. $175

 http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/akibb/IMG_0017-1.jpghttp://i19...

  8. Panaracer 35mm tourguard, set of 2. Brand new. $45

 http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/akibb/IMG_0039.jpghttp://i19.p...

  9. Shimano Barend shifters for 8 speed. Brand new $65

 http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/akibb/IMG_0019-2.jpghttp://i19...

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[RBW] 59 cm Riv custom (Curt Goodrich)

2011-05-24 Thread Tim Smith
I have a 59 cm custom for (tearful) sale. For medical
reasons, my rides are very short these days, and it doesn't look like
I'll be doing much touring--which is what this bike is set up
for--anytime in the foreseeable future.

Anyhow, asking $1990, packing and shipping extra. (Or pick it up if
you live in the California Bay Area.)

The custom was built in 2005 by Curt Goodrich, painted maroon (Imron
143) by Joe Bell. It's in pretty good condition--some beausage--a few
scratches and one small dent in the drive side seat stay (thanks
DHL!). Has a triple up front and 8-speed cassette in the back, with
very low gears. Dia-Compe centerpull brakes with brazed-on studs and
KoolStop pads.

Extras include Ortlieb bags, a Tubus Duo rack with taillight, Berthoud
stainless steel fenders
and a Berthoud handle bar bag with its supporting rack. This is a
complete touring bike,
and if it fits you, you are ready to go! Or you could strip off the
touring gear,
and have a really great bike for day rides.

Email me for complete specs and pictures.

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[RBW] Re: Decision Potential

2011-05-24 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
Hey, that's great. To hear the 62 Hunqapillar described as
significantly smaller than the 64cm Hillborne is encouraging indeed.
Thanks!

Trust me... If there were a 60cm Hunqapillar, it'd be the front
runner. Alas, the 58 is too small.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On May 24, 7:30 pm, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote:
 Tom-

 I am 6'3 and would say that I have a relatively short inseam.  I have
 a very long torso.

 I would say that the 62 Hunqa felt significantly smaller than the 64
 Sam did.  It didn't, however, feel tiny.

 Also, your comment about fendering both bikes pushes me even more
 firmly in the direction of picking up the Hunq - either the 62 or,
 gasp, the 60.  Then you could still run big boy tires, even with the
 fenders.  Just seems like you could do so much more with the combo of
 the Sam and the Hunqa.

 On May 24, 6:33 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
 wrote:



  Interesting, indeed.

  I have not measured my PBH myself. The nice folks at The Country Bike
  Shop in Celina, OH, did. (Can't say enough nice things about the
  Dennings and The Country Bike Shop. Nice people and a wonderful
  place.) I suspect theirs is comaprable to an RBW measurement. It felt
  like it to me!

  I'm 6' (probably plus a smidge) and 245. I'd say I have slightly-
  longer-than-average legs. So the Country Bike Shop 90 PBH sounds right
  to me. To me, your 6'4 - 94cm combination seems roughly consistent
  with my 90 PBH measurement.

  Did your clearance of the top tubes of the 64cm Hillborne and the
  62cm Hunqapillar seem very similar?

  Yours,
  Thomas Lynn Skean
  Enjoying the problem.

  On May 24, 3:25 pm, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote:

   I think I have something to offer here.

   I measured my own PBH to 91 cm.  I went to Riv, used their method, and
   got 94 cm (with someone helping, using the paint stick, and really
   going for it lol).

   I am 6'3 and 240 for reference.

   I rode the 62 Hunqapillar and the 64 Hillborne.

   I ended up going with the Sam.  I thought that it would be more
   versatile, as I do some longer rides that I would want a bike that
   feels a little more lighter and spry.  I thought that the Sam would be
   great for that, and wouldn't buck if I decided to go camping and ride
   a bit shorter distance.

   If I were to get another Riv, the Hunqa would be at the top of my
   list.  It was really fun to ride, and seems like it would be a beast
   on fire trails, with a full load.  Just a super fun bike to ride.

   I personally would not get another Sam.

   I am, however, with you on both the diagatube and the Hunqapillar
   paint job.  I don't like the grey/maroon combo.  I also think that
   getting a custom paint job with a green or blue plus the cream would
   make the bike look sweet, and would lessen the weirdness of the
   diagatube somehow.  I think sometimes people scoff at the aesthetics,
   but, let's face it, how a bike looks (particularly a riv) is part of
   the greatness.  Even with all that being said, I would love to have
   one of the stock hunqas.  It's a really sweet bike.  One of those you
   have to ride it to understand things I think.

   I would also call Riv to ask them about the fit, they would be best
   suited to answer your questions I think.

   On May 24, 1:58 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
   wrote:

Well... it's not really that simple for me. Either of these bikes will
completely and comfortably cover the functionality I need and want.
Increasing my capabilities is something of an unlikely project, since
they are limited not by the bike but its engine :) I expect to do no
riding that I wouldn't feel perfectly comfortable doing on the
Hunqapillar or the Hillborne. If I had them both, I might prefer one
over the other every now and then, with most ties I'd expect to go to
the Hillborne. I've got a prejudice; if I could end up with two of one
and one of the other, I'd choose to have two Hillbornes and a single
Hunqapillar.

To me it's more a question of: Will I appreciate the variety itself
enough to give up near-total redundancy on the known-and-loved? I
mean, there's always the possibility that I won't actually love the
Hunqapillar. But I confess I've lately developed a desire to taste the
cushy goodness and even-more-solid ride that I'd expect from a
Hunqapillar. It's even remotely possible that I'll *prefer* it to the
Hillborne (hard to imagine from my current perspective).

As a practical matter, of course, I still will have lots of redundancy
with the Hillborne/Hunqapillar combination. I expect to be able to
swap cockpits without problem. Most parts and accessories will be
swappable (perhaps with tweaking) without any compromise. Fenders and
tires probably not. And maybe the seatpost, since there's some
possibility I won't be able to get a 27.2 seat tube on the
Hunqapillar. And I don't know about bottom 

[RBW] Re: Decision Potential

2011-05-24 Thread dweendaddy
I am around the same size as you and have been looking longingly at
Hunqas. According to the Riv site:
5-9 to 5-11: 54cm
Long-legged 5-10 to 6-1: 58cm
Long legged 6ft to 6-4.4: 62cm

Just wondering - why are you thinking 62 vs 58? If you want it do be
maximally different than the Sam, you might want to put big tires on
it and then, according to the site:
62cm Hunqa: 91.5-100cm PBH (Saddle hight 82-90cm, standover on biggest
tire is 91.5cm)

Now I like big bikes, but having a standover taller than my PBH is
stretching it, so to speak!

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[RBW] Re: Decision Potential

2011-05-24 Thread Brett Lindenbach
i still contend that the bike you choose needs to have a purpose.  perhaps 
variety* is* that purpose.  the hunq (i would go for the bomba) would give 
you a very different ride.  i don't quite see the logic in getting a second 
hillborne just to have another hillborne.  if cockpit swapping is trivial 
for you, then you already have a lot of untapped variety.  
an alternative would be to simply save your money and just *love your 
current bike all the more.*  maybe buy it a nice beautiful bag.  btw, i also 
wasn't a fan of the grid grey but then i came around, and now i love it.

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[RBW] Re: New Brooks Saddles and Carradice Bag For Sale

2011-05-24 Thread velovixen
Note:  The bag has just been sold.  If you want both saddles, I'm
willing to sell for 170; otherwise it's 90 for each one, with free
shipping in the USA.

On May 24, 11:52 am, velovixen justineisadr...@gmail.com wrote:
 I bought one saddle for a project I never did, and took the other as
 part of a trade.  And I received the bag as a gift.

 The saddles are both Brooks B-17s.  They're both black, with steel
 rivets, and come new in their boxes.  One is a standard B17 (men's)
 and the other is a B-17 Narrow.  I ride Brooks saddles on my bike and
 have spares.  So I don't anticipate needing either of these for a long
 time.

 The Super C Rack Trunk is made from black waxed canvas, like other
 Carradice bags.  Its capacity is thirteen liters, which is larger than
 most other bags of its type.  I use Carradice saddlebags, but I don't
 use rack trunks, which is why I'm selling this one.

 I'm asking 90 dollars for any of these items.  Shipping is free to a
 USA address; if you want anything sent outside the US, let me know and
 I'll check on shipping costs.

 If you want two of these items, I'm asking 175.  Or,  if you want all
 three, you can have them for 250 dollars.

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[RBW] Rust on Chain Stay

2011-05-24 Thread Joe S
I've had my Atlantis about 10 months and love it.  I ride it nearly
every day, usually on my 30 mile round-trip commute to and from work.

When I first rode the bike, the low stop setting on the front
derailleur was not set correctly.  It took throwing the chain off onto
the chain stay with minor jamming a few times before I realized what
was happening and the paint on the chain stay was taken off in a swath
of about 1/2 inch.  I haven't done anything to it other than to keep
checking (duh!) but now after a few weeks of bad timing and riding in
rain, I can see rust on the surface.  There isn't a lot of room
between the crank, chain stay and frame in this vicinity and I'm
thinking that to really get at the rust I would need to remove the
crank.  I don't mind giving this a shot, but will need to get a crank
puller and since I'm planning to tour on the bike in a month, I don't
want to get in a position where I'm getting tools, doing something new
and become pressed to get everything back and road tested with a
deadline looming.  What is the best way to contain the rust?  Can it
be done without removing the crank (at least for now)?

BTW, it seems to me that the high / low stop settings are very
sensitive as I had the chain and cassette replaced recently at my
LBS.  I wound up throwing the chain several times on my first ride
after getting the bike back, roughing up my nice polished crank.  This
time it was the high setting that I needed to adjust.  It seems to be
set correctly now but is this a configuration problem--I have a Campy
triple on the front and Shimano XT long cage on the rear?  I recall
reading somewhere (Sheldon Brown?) that these screws should not be
loose--they are loose but not excessively so and they seem to stay
once set correctly?  Is blue lock-tite a recommended solution?

Thanks for your advice.

Joe

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[RBW] Re: visit to the nitto factory

2011-05-24 Thread Collapsing Waves
Thank you for posting this link, Seth. That was a wonderful tour of
the Nitto factory/workspace. I hope they are all well there.

David

On May 24, 8:45 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://www.tokyofixedgear.com/ShopFeaturesDetail.asp?Bno=12

 love the pictures and video.

 -sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Decision Potential

2011-05-24 Thread robert zeidler
I just put a 62 Hunqa together after receiving it in Jan-it's been
that kind of spring.  I'm amazed at how much I enjoy the upright
position afforded by the Albatross bars!!!  I have a color-matched
150mm stem them had laying around and that definitely adds to the
correct fit of the bike.

Suddenly I'm in 5th grade again.  How can that be bad?

RGZ

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think I have something to offer here.

 I measured my own PBH to 91 cm.  I went to Riv, used their method, and
 got 94 cm (with someone helping, using the paint stick, and really
 going for it lol).

 I am 6'3 and 240 for reference.

 I rode the 62 Hunqapillar and the 64 Hillborne.

 I ended up going with the Sam.  I thought that it would be more
 versatile, as I do some longer rides that I would want a bike that
 feels a little more lighter and spry.  I thought that the Sam would be
 great for that, and wouldn't buck if I decided to go camping and ride
 a bit shorter distance.

 If I were to get another Riv, the Hunqa would be at the top of my
 list.  It was really fun to ride, and seems like it would be a beast
 on fire trails, with a full load.  Just a super fun bike to ride.

 I personally would not get another Sam.

 I am, however, with you on both the diagatube and the Hunqapillar
 paint job.  I don't like the grey/maroon combo.  I also think that
 getting a custom paint job with a green or blue plus the cream would
 make the bike look sweet, and would lessen the weirdness of the
 diagatube somehow.  I think sometimes people scoff at the aesthetics,
 but, let's face it, how a bike looks (particularly a riv) is part of
 the greatness.  Even with all that being said, I would love to have
 one of the stock hunqas.  It's a really sweet bike.  One of those you
 have to ride it to understand things I think.

 I would also call Riv to ask them about the fit, they would be best
 suited to answer your questions I think.

 On May 24, 1:58 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
 wrote:
 Well... it's not really that simple for me. Either of these bikes will
 completely and comfortably cover the functionality I need and want.
 Increasing my capabilities is something of an unlikely project, since
 they are limited not by the bike but its engine :) I expect to do no
 riding that I wouldn't feel perfectly comfortable doing on the
 Hunqapillar or the Hillborne. If I had them both, I might prefer one
 over the other every now and then, with most ties I'd expect to go to
 the Hillborne. I've got a prejudice; if I could end up with two of one
 and one of the other, I'd choose to have two Hillbornes and a single
 Hunqapillar.

 To me it's more a question of: Will I appreciate the variety itself
 enough to give up near-total redundancy on the known-and-loved? I
 mean, there's always the possibility that I won't actually love the
 Hunqapillar. But I confess I've lately developed a desire to taste the
 cushy goodness and even-more-solid ride that I'd expect from a
 Hunqapillar. It's even remotely possible that I'll *prefer* it to the
 Hillborne (hard to imagine from my current perspective).

 As a practical matter, of course, I still will have lots of redundancy
 with the Hillborne/Hunqapillar combination. I expect to be able to
 swap cockpits without problem. Most parts and accessories will be
 swappable (perhaps with tweaking) without any compromise. Fenders and
 tires probably not. And maybe the seatpost, since there's some
 possibility I won't be able to get a 27.2 seat tube on the
 Hunqapillar. And I don't know about bottom brackets. Small
 differences, but differences nonetheless.

 So it's variety versus small compromise. I'm tending towards the
 Hunqapillar, I think. But I won't hesitate to get a Hillborne if the
 Hunqapillar doesn't fit. I haven't decided what I'm going to do if I
 can't find out about the Hunqapillar's fit.

 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean

 On May 24, 12:02 pm, Brett Lindenbach brett.lindenb...@gmail.com
 wrote:



  thomas, you only need to answer one question: what is it you want your new
  bike to do?

  if the answer is to duplicate what you already have, then go for it.  i
  should add that having an identical bike would allow you to go for rides
  with your doppelgänger when he visits.  or you could set up one hillborne 
  as
  your commuter, and the other more for distance/light touring.

  personally, i'd get something that increases my capabilities.  i travel a
  lot, and often wish i had my bike with me.  i might consider getting a
  lightweight riv set up to break apart for travel.  or maybe a fun little
  brommie.

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Re: [RBW] Re: visit to the nitto factory

2011-05-24 Thread James Warren

Amazing.


On May 24, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Collapsing Waves wrote:

 Thank you for posting this link, Seth. That was a wonderful tour of
 the Nitto factory/workspace. I hope they are all well there.
 
 David
 
 On May 24, 8:45 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://www.tokyofixedgear.com/ShopFeaturesDetail.asp?Bno=12
 
 love the pictures and video.
 
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[RBW] Re: visit to the nitto factory

2011-05-24 Thread J. Burkhalter
very cool.  thanks for sharing!

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 love the pictures and video.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Decision Potential

2011-05-24 Thread Rene Sterental
LOL!!!

Sent from my iPhone 4

On May 24, 2011, at 5:37 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's time for a sweet custom!

 On May 24, 3:55 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
 FWIW, I started with a 61cm Homer and then got a 60cm Bombadil. The
 Homer fit perfectly and it's fit has been improved with a 7cm Nitto
 stem. It also runs 35 Supreme tires. The Bombadil with 50 Supremes
 proved too long and dangerously too high for standover clearance. The
 horizontal length was the killer factor and I exchanged it for a 61
 Atlantis.

 My center of crank to saddle distance is 78.8cm. Can't remember my exact PBH.

 Rene

 Sent from my iPhone 4

 On May 24, 2011, at 5:03 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean







 thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote:
 Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that it's not as simple as 62cm - 60cm
 = 2cm difference in exactly what's important here, my ability to
 comfortably straddle the top tube. There's seat tube angle, there's
 rounding of published numbers, there's different effective top tube,
 there's inconsistency in the available specifications.

 That test provides some info, though. I did lift my Hillborne and I
 can get it maybe 2 or 3cm off the ground (more accuracy than that is
 not going to happen, I'm afraid). So basically it all adds up to too
 close to call without some additional real world information.

 First-hand experience would be great. As would any comparative
 information from out in the field. Say, if someone said Hey, I own
 both! My Sam is sorta tight and my Hunqapillar is even tighter, but
 they both work for me.. Or if someone said No way, dude. I've got
 both those bikes. All kinds of room on the Sam. But I had to get a 58
 Hunqapillar. The 62cm was Way Too Big.

 Alas life is not like that so far.

 We should all have such problems! :)

 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean

 On May 23, 6:45 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 How 'bout a 60cm Bombadil?If not, and you can't find a local
 Hunqapillar to try, consider that 2cm is not much difference at
 all.But, one test would be to straddle your SH, grab the bars in
 one hand and the seat in the other, and lift;  then have someone take
 a look at how high the wheels come off the ground.  If you have an
 inch or two of clearance, the HP should work.

 Anyway good luck with the choices.

 -Matt

 On May 23, 7:28 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
 wrote:

 Hi!

 I've an important decision to make: 62cm Hunqapillar or a (second) 60cm 
 Hillborne?

 At least, I *may* have that decision to make. No amount of measuring will 
 actually let me *know* if I can actually straddle the Hunqapillar. I have 
 a nominal 90cm PBH. All the other numbers seem reasonable to me. So it is 
 *possible* that I *might* be comfortable on one. I don't know.

 So... if there's a 62cm Hunqapillar owner in the Chicago area (generously 
 defined) who'd be willing to let me throw a leg over their Hunqapillar, I 
 would greatly appreciate it. I wouldn't need the wheels to roll, let 
 alone to actually ride it. Just to straddle it to see where the top tube 
 lives.

 It'd be fantastic if it proved appropriate. But it'd still be great to 
 *know* if it didn't. It would eliminate any down-the-road 
 missed-opportunity regrets.

 Much as I love love love my Hillborne, I do feel slightly odd about 
 buying two identical bikes. And I don't dismiss the allure of the Fatter 
 Tire and Rougher Trail and Even Heavier Load.

 Please e-mail me offline if you're willing to let me check it out. I'll 
 come directly to you or meet you anywhere neutral and convenient for you. 
 We could arrange it with all the notice you need. Obviously, weekends or 
 evenings would be great but I'm willing to consider pretty much any time. 
 I'm hoping (but not committed to) make my choice (if I actually have one) 
 in July. But I'm flexible.

 Thanks for reading, let alone considering, my request!

 And feel free to fill this thread online with 
 opinions/insights/experiences of having two identical bikes or multiple 
 RBW bikes or comparisons/contrasts between Hillborne-like and 
 Hunqapillar-like bikes. I'm interested.

 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean
 P. S. Would t'were we all had such problems!

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne, Moustache, Technomic

2011-05-24 Thread Rob H.
I'm thinking about setting up the same way. I'm pretty sure we'll be
good because of the 6 degree upsloping top tube. They got the top of
that headset is pretty high. Here's a link to a photo I found:

http://www.countrybikeshop.com/images%20%28tcbs%29/on%20floor%20full%20%283%29.JPG

On May 23, 6:43 pm, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Bonjour,

 I'm thinking of making some changes on my Sam Hillborne and I'm just
 curious if anyone has their Hillborne set up with Moustache bars on a
 technomic stem ..INSTEAD of a dirt drop.
 I've found a couple pics online that have piqued my interest and I
 want to know if this is working for anyone out there. They are linked
 below.
 I'd love to see photos of your S.H. if it is indeed set up like this.

 http://tinyurl.com/3rncy5f
 or

 http://tinyurl.com/4544sre      (this is a bombadill)

 thanks
 Jason

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne, Moustache, Technomic

2011-05-24 Thread Rob H.
One thing they did advise me was to use a really short reach stem if I
was going with Tech Deluxe  Moustache, so I bought a 7cm. Hope this
helps.

On May 24, 9:53 pm, Rob H. robhua...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm thinking about setting up the same way. I'm pretty sure we'll be
 good because of the 6 degree upsloping top tube. They got the top of
 that headset is pretty high. Here's a link to a photo I found:

 http://www.countrybikeshop.com/images%20%28tcbs%29/on%20floor%20full%...

 On May 23, 6:43 pm, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote:

  Bonjour,

  I'm thinking of making some changes on my Sam Hillborne and I'm just
  curious if anyone has their Hillborne set up with Moustache bars on a
  technomic stem ..INSTEAD of a dirt drop.
  I've found a couple pics online that have piqued my interest and I
  want to know if this is working for anyone out there. They are linked
  below.
  I'd love to see photos of your S.H. if it is indeed set up like this.

 http://tinyurl.com/3rncy5f
  or

 http://tinyurl.com/4544sre     (this is a bombadill)

  thanks
  Jason

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[RBW] Re: Rust on Chain Stay

2011-05-24 Thread rcnute
I wouldn't worry about it before your tour.  But for a short-term fix
I'd take a rag, wipe the area with alcohol and use clear nail polish
(use a paintbrush with a long handle if it's tough to get in there).
That said crank removal is pretty simple; I think you'll be fine.
Just remove the crank, sand or wet/sand lightly, use touch-up paint or
nail polish.

Shouldn't need loc-tite but I can't see how it would hurt (as long as
it's not being used to compensate for loose screws from poor
adjustment).

Ryan

On May 24, 6:48 pm, Joe S ddlttr...@verizon.net wrote:
 I've had my Atlantis about 10 months and love it.  I ride it nearly
 every day, usually on my 30 mile round-trip commute to and from work.

 When I first rode the bike, the low stop setting on the front
 derailleur was not set correctly.  It took throwing the chain off onto
 the chain stay with minor jamming a few times before I realized what
 was happening and the paint on the chain stay was taken off in a swath
 of about 1/2 inch.  I haven't done anything to it other than to keep
 checking (duh!) but now after a few weeks of bad timing and riding in
 rain, I can see rust on the surface.  There isn't a lot of room
 between the crank, chain stay and frame in this vicinity and I'm
 thinking that to really get at the rust I would need to remove the
 crank.  I don't mind giving this a shot, but will need to get a crank
 puller and since I'm planning to tour on the bike in a month, I don't
 want to get in a position where I'm getting tools, doing something new
 and become pressed to get everything back and road tested with a
 deadline looming.  What is the best way to contain the rust?  Can it
 be done without removing the crank (at least for now)?

 BTW, it seems to me that the high / low stop settings are very
 sensitive as I had the chain and cassette replaced recently at my
 LBS.  I wound up throwing the chain several times on my first ride
 after getting the bike back, roughing up my nice polished crank.  This
 time it was the high setting that I needed to adjust.  It seems to be
 set correctly now but is this a configuration problem--I have a Campy
 triple on the front and Shimano XT long cage on the rear?  I recall
 reading somewhere (Sheldon Brown?) that these screws should not be
 loose--they are loose but not excessively so and they seem to stay
 once set correctly?  Is blue lock-tite a recommended solution?

 Thanks for your advice.

 Joe

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