Re: [RBW] What A Great Looking Old Bike!

[Dave]

The Brooks saddle does seem to draw attention.  I was taking a break 
once on the side of a local paved trail when two women walked by. They 
stopped, pointed, and commented, "That's a beautiful old bike. Is the 
seat made of wood?"  All I could do was tap on it with a knuckle and 
say, "Nope. Leather."  At that point the "old bike" comment was more 
than moot. (It's a five year old green Ram with a six year old honey 
B-17 pro saddle...)



On 9/26/2012 9:12 PM, jimD wrote:

This seems to come in waves.

Several times this week I've had folks complement me on my great looking old 
bike.
Usually they want to know how old it is.  When I say it is about three years 
old it often starts a great conversation.
Folks seem genuinely interested in hearing about Rivendell though they often 
seem to be a bit skeptical about
'steel' bikes.  Brooks saddles seem to be a  pointer toward anachronism or at 
least 'old school'.

Generally my answer to the question as to why I have such a bike is, 'Rivendell 
make great riding bikes'.

This picture doesn't prove much except that these things can be 'colorful!'

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/8018448319/in/photostream

-JimD



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[RBW] What A Great Looking Old Bike!

[jimD]

This seems to come in waves. 

Several times this week I've had folks complement me on my great looking old 
bike.
Usually they want to know how old it is.  When I say it is about three years 
old it often starts a great conversation.
Folks seem genuinely interested in hearing about Rivendell though they often 
seem to be a bit skeptical about
'steel' bikes.  Brooks saddles seem to be a  pointer toward anachronism or at 
least 'old school'.

Generally my answer to the question as to why I have such a bike is, 'Rivendell 
make great riding bikes'.

This picture doesn't prove much except that these things can be 'colorful!'

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/8018448319/in/photostream

-JimD

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[RBW] Re: Help with platform pedals...

[charlie]

I've never noticed my start up to be hindered in any way with my BMX pin 
pedals. I did have my feet slip off when I first changed over to platforms 
just because my muscles were used to being attached and so were a little 
'lazy' in that regard. Can't imagine riding with retention 
now...life is better now.


On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:56:28 PM UTC-7, Rex Kerr wrote:
>
> My continuing saga with platform pedals... [question follows long spiel]
>
> As I've stated before, I have been a long time user of Speedplay Frog 
> clipless pedals, which I had no reason to dislike.  That said, the "wear 
> any shoes and just jump on the bike" argument is quite compelling, so I 
> decided to give platforms another chance.  After so many years I'm finding 
> them to be more challenging that I expected. :-)
>
> 1) Small muscles around the ankles that I'm not accustomed to using get a 
> workout keeping the food on the pedal -- mostly over that.
> 2) A bit uncertain feeling on rough descents -- still not over that.
> 3) Major discomfort, feeling like my foot was rolling off the edge.  I 
> finally figured out that my root problem was the same as that which I 
> overcame years ago with clipless pedals.  My Frogs are all special ordered 
> with 1/2" longer spindles due to a slightly duck-toed stance.  I added some 
> Specialized BG spindle extenders to my platform pedals and they're MUCH 
> more comfortable!  This alone resolved 90% of my complaints!
> 4) Pedal strike -- I'm finally retraining myself that I have less 
> clearance than I'm accustomed to.  Sometimes wish I had a little more 
> clearance when cornering and trying to keep up in traffic.
>
> ...and #5...  ...the one I write about today...
>
> Starting up again after a stop!  I've become accustomed to just stopping 
> with my feet in whatever position I want.  I put my weight on the dominant 
> leg as I lower myself off the saddle and put my other foot on the ground to 
> finally stop.  Problem is, now I'm in a bad position to restart.  If the 
> light changes quickly I'm unprepared.  With clipless I'd just lift my foot 
> and the crank would follow my foot and be in a good position.  Not so easy 
> with platforms.  I guess I could train myself to lower the other foot on 
> stops, but that seems awkward too, not to mention that the crank ends up at 
> TDC, which isn't right either.  
>
> So, is there some easy technique that I never learned in my childhood 
> years when I last used platform pedals, or must I just get accustomed to 
> using my toe to re-position the pedal, regardless of how long that takes?
>
> Thanks!
> -Rex
>

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[RBW] Re: Nitto R-10 vs Marks Rack for Saddlebag

[Manuel Acosta]

>
> Nitto R-10 is pretty good. I've used both for a rear bag. I like 
> the option of taking the R10 off and on whenever I can. Taking off and on a 
> Mark's rack get's kinda annoying after a while. If you're using the Mark's 
> rack for the rear with high profile brakes you'll need to fudge it to make 
> it work. 

Ever thought of using nitto's r-14 is always a good rack to leave on 
forever for a saddle bag. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

[Peter Morgano]

I run an alfine on my bombadil and it is really nice not having to worry
about dropping a chain or missing a gear, being able to shift at a light
and not having to worry about the elements on the rear wheel. I know they
have thier haters but I think when people give it a shot they seem to like
them.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:18 PM, James Warren wrote:

>
> Shifting gears while the bike is stopped and your feet are on the ground
> is a nice benefit. Really helps a lot in traffic.
>
> And a straight chain path with no rear derailleur to run through is nice
> as well.
>
> Additionally, as Doug mentioned, there is the gear range issue. Rohloff
> for sure and I believe Alfine 11 provide a broader range than 10-42 would.
> But reason 1 is the biggest benefit.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: Steve Palincsar 
> >
> >Why would a wide-range IGH be better than a single-chainring wide range
> >derailleur bike?
> >
> >
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[RBW] Re: Nitto R-10 vs Marks Rack for Saddlebag

[ted]

I have used a Marks rack on my 52 Bombadil with cr-720s. Worked great.
No trouble with the brakes.
As Liesl points out it very flexible and versatile, up down, for aft,
tilt, whatever.

On Sep 26, 2:29 pm, Liesl  wrote:
> I've ridden with a marks rack since 2006 with, most often, a Carradice
> Barley.  Most excellent combination.  Goes back and forth between my saluki
> and my protobleriot.  I have  small (50 cm) bikes so clearance for a saddle
> bag is always in the equation.  the marks rack is 1) easy to move from bike
> to bike, 2) stable as all get-out, 3) keeps bags from rubbing on fenders,
> 4) keeps saddle bags clear of cables, 5) is totally adjustable so you can
> dial in fore-and-aft and height, and 6) is so small you can just forget
> about it if you're not carrying a saddlebag.
>
> I have no experience, though, with the R-10.
>
> good luck, liesl

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Re: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

[James Warren]

Shifting gears while the bike is stopped and your feet are on the ground is a 
nice benefit. Really helps a lot in traffic.

And a straight chain path with no rear derailleur to run through is nice as 
well.

Additionally, as Doug mentioned, there is the gear range issue. Rohloff for 
sure and I believe Alfine 11 provide a broader range than 10-42 would. But 
reason 1 is the biggest benefit.


-Original Message-
>From: Steve Palincsar 
>
>Why would a wide-range IGH be better than a single-chainring wide range
>derailleur bike?
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Front rack bag for tall riders?

[Robert F. Harrison]

I tried to get one this week and didn't get it fast enough, now I know why.
:-)  I'll have to give it a try again on the next round.

I have an Acorn handlebar bag and a medium saddlebag on my 66cm Quickbeam,
both of which are great. With a 62cm Hunq arriving shortly I was hoping to
get the tall rando for it but no love this time around. Congrats on getting
yours. Let us know how it works and if it really fits.

Aloha!


On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 9:19 AM, tragicallyaverage wrote:

> Acorn Bags introduced a Tall Rando Bag a while back and Berthoud sells a
> taller h-bag too - the 28 model or it's variations.
> I just ordered a tall Acorn bag so hopefully this will solve my problems
> too. I'm 6'3", ride a 64cm/65cm.
> On another note, I like rack supported bags as they sit lower than bar
> supported bags, and in general, you can put a little more weight on them.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 2:10:22 PM UTC-5, Rex Kerr wrote:
>>
>> My handlebar bag is in tatters and needing replacement.  In addition, it
>> doesn't work on my AHH's mustache bars, which has me thinking of converting
>> to a rack mounted bag since both of the bikes I'd use it on have front
>> racks.  The problem is, in all of the pictures that I see where they look
>> very conveniently placed, they're on small bikes.  On these small bikes
>> with short steerer tubes the bag is tall enough to come up nearly to the
>> bar height, and all is well.  Problem for us tall guys is that the distance
>> down to the rack is quite extreme.  So, I'm thinking that such a bag
>> wouldn't be ideal for me.
>>
>> Any thoughts on this subject from fellow tall riders?  Have you tried
>> such a bag?  Did it feel inconvenient to use?  Did you find it to be a
>> non-issue, such that you're wondering what I'm fretting about?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> -Rex
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2012-09-26 at 15:44 -0700, James Warren wrote:
> Well, I'm not sure why SRAM designed it since triples are perfectly good.
> 
> But given that it is coming out, I know that if I had a bike that was 
> designed to not have a front derailleur, I would certainly want all my 
> gearing covered with one ring. I do not want to get off to shift by hand or 
> shift with a stick. Hence the 42 in back would appeal to me.
> 
> But honestly, I don't think I'd buy the Rivendell that doesn't allow front 
> shifting while pedaling. (Unless it were a wide-ranging IGH bike.)


Why would a wide-range IGH be better than a single-chainring wide range
derailleur bike?



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RE: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

[James Warren]

The Alfine 11 is great. I have it on my QB. I have several Rivs, and in the pack I think the QB is rapidly becoming my favorite.
 
It's the first time the bike has the full gear range I've been looking for in my hilly hometown.
 
-Original Message- From: "Allingham II, Thomas J" Sent: Sep 26, 2012 2:33 PM To: "'rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com'" Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD 
At least for the new model with its horizontal drops, you can use an IGH.  And the Rohloff hub gives more than 500% range, better than any cassette, I would guess.  Very expensive of course, but the quality and durability match the price.  And the Alfine 11 gives more than a 400% range; I've never used the Alfine 11, but I understand it's mechanically very like the Rohloff 14 at around a third the price.


From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt BeebeSent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 5:28 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD
I remember reading somewhere (in the RR?) on the subject of ever-expanding cassettes, "seven is heaven, eight is great, nine is fine, ten is getting a little ridiculous."To which I would add that  an 11 cog cassette is straight up pointless. But to each his own.
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Re: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

[James Warren]

Well, I'm not sure why SRAM designed it since triples are perfectly good.

But given that it is coming out, I know that if I had a bike that was designed 
to not have a front derailleur, I would certainly want all my gearing covered 
with one ring. I do not want to get off to shift by hand or shift with a stick. 
Hence the 42 in back would appeal to me.

But honestly, I don't think I'd buy the Rivendell that doesn't allow front 
shifting while pedaling. (Unless it were a wide-ranging IGH bike.)

-Original Message-
>From: dougP 

>The single front ring idea seems interesting, but the trade-off seems
>a lot more complexity at the back in exchange for a slightly simpler
>front system.  Could this be yet another solution in search of a
>problem?
>
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Re: [RBW] Front rack bag for tall riders?

[Tim McNamara]

On Sep 26, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Rex Kerr wrote:

> My handlebar bag is in tatters and needing replacement.  In addition, it 
> doesn't work on my AHH's mustache bars, which has me thinking of converting 
> to a rack mounted bag since both of the bikes I'd use it on have front racks. 
>  The problem is, in all of the pictures that I see where they look very 
> conveniently placed, they're on small bikes.  On these small bikes with short 
> steerer tubes the bag is tall enough to come up nearly to the bar height, and 
> all is well.  Problem for us tall guys is that the distance down to the rack 
> is quite extreme.  So, I'm thinking that such a bag wouldn't be ideal for me. 
>  
> 
> Any thoughts on this subject from fellow tall riders?  Have you tried such a 
> bag?  Did it feel inconvenient to use?  Did you find it to be a non-issue, 
> such that you're wondering what I'm fretting about?

I use a Berthoud Mini-86 which is about the smallest front bag Berthoud makes, 
so I went in the opposite direction.  I don't want to carry a bunch of stuff 
with me most of the time, and, when I do I prefer a saddlebag.  Having a giant 
handlebar bag with a patch kit, tire lever, spare tube and money carrier seems 
silly; 90% of the time that is all I carry.  Even when I did brevets I rarely 
carried much more than that.  I rode PBP 2003 with a banana bag... didn't 
finish but that was the fault of my iliotibial band tendinitis, not the bag.

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[RBW] Re: Front rack bag for tall riders?

[Kelly]

Here's my 68Cm QB with front bag and Mustache bars. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/7866686844/in/set-72157625210417815

Kelly

On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 2:10:22 PM UTC-5, Rex Kerr wrote:
>
> My handlebar bag is in tatters and needing replacement.  In addition, it 
> doesn't work on my AHH's mustache bars, which has me thinking of converting 
> to a rack mounted bag since both of the bikes I'd use it on have front 
> racks.  The problem is, in all of the pictures that I see where they look 
> very conveniently placed, they're on small bikes.  On these small bikes 
> with short steerer tubes the bag is tall enough to come up nearly to the 
> bar height, and all is well.  Problem for us tall guys is that the distance 
> down to the rack is quite extreme.  So, I'm thinking that such a bag 
> wouldn't be ideal for me.  
>
> Any thoughts on this subject from fellow tall riders?  Have you tried such 
> a bag?  Did it feel inconvenient to use?  Did you find it to be a 
> non-issue, such that you're wondering what I'm fretting about?
>
> Thanks!
> -Rex
>

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[RBW] Re: C&O Allegheny - Trip Starting Sept 29th heading DC to Pittsburgh

[Kelly]

Justin,

We drive to Boston Pa Friday then get shuttled to DC Saturday morning .. 
get dumped off and ride back to the cars.  We don't get close to Philly. 
 Least ways not that I know of.

Kelly

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> How close do you pass to Philly?
>
> -Justin. 
>
> In Philly. 
>
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Re: [RBW] C&O Allegheny - Trip Starting Sept 29th heading DC to Pittsburgh

[Kelly]

Steve,

Me Bombadil = 700x50 Big Apples
Wife Atlantis  = 700x40 Supremes
Susan Holdsworth = 700x33.333
Dave Cannondale = 700x28
Tom Bruce Gordon = 700x28
Audry Long Haul Trucker = 700x37

Don't know about the folks out of Detroit going with us. 

Kelly 

On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 2:52:22 PM UTC-5, stevew wrote:
>
> My wife and I are doing the C&O path in October - she on her Saluki and me 
> on my Ram.  I'd like to try and fit some 32mm wide tires on my Ram, but I'm 
> not sure if they will fit with the Longboards - I'll have to see. 
>
> What size tires are you guys using? 
>
> Steve

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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 46cm Noodle Bars

[Brian Campbell]

got a set! Thanks!

On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 7:53:51 AM UTC-4, GSE wrote:
>
> I have a 46cm Noodle Bar in Excellent condition I would like to sell.  
>
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 1:07:11 PM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> Looking for a set of 46cm Noodles. Have some stuff to trade or paypal. 
>> Please let me know.
>
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Re: [RBW] C&O Allegheny - Trip Starting Sept 29th heading DC to Pittsburgh

[RivRam33]

Steve,

700x35 Delta Cruisers on my Rambouillet with SKS P45 --- tight fit, but 
doable

700x32 Marathon Supreme with same fenders  - plenty of space, no problemo.

you could ride with 700x28 on C&O, but you wont enjoy it as much.   

Parviz


On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 3:52:22 PM UTC-4, stevew wrote:
>
> My wife and I are doing the C&O path in October - she on her Saluki and me 
> on my Ram.  I'd like to try and fit some 32mm wide tires on my Ram, but I'm 
> not sure if they will fit with the Longboards - I'll have to see. 
>
> What size tires are you guys using? 
>
> Steve

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[RBW] Re: Front rack bag for tall riders?

[RivRam33]

Rex,

If you are interested in Gilles Berthoud GB2886, i have a brand new one in 
blueish grey color.  

Parviz

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[RBW] Re: Front rack bag for tall riders?

[tragicallyaverage]

Acorn Bags introduced a Tall Rando Bag a while back and Berthoud sells a 
taller h-bag too - the 28 model or it's variations. 
I just ordered a tall Acorn bag so hopefully this will solve my problems 
too. I'm 6'3", ride a 64cm/65cm.
On another note, I like rack supported bags as they sit lower than bar 
supported bags, and in general, you can put a little more weight on them.


On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 2:10:22 PM UTC-5, Rex Kerr wrote:
>
> My handlebar bag is in tatters and needing replacement.  In addition, it 
> doesn't work on my AHH's mustache bars, which has me thinking of converting 
> to a rack mounted bag since both of the bikes I'd use it on have front 
> racks.  The problem is, in all of the pictures that I see where they look 
> very conveniently placed, they're on small bikes.  On these small bikes 
> with short steerer tubes the bag is tall enough to come up nearly to the 
> bar height, and all is well.  Problem for us tall guys is that the distance 
> down to the rack is quite extreme.  So, I'm thinking that such a bag 
> wouldn't be ideal for me.  
>
> Any thoughts on this subject from fellow tall riders?  Have you tried such 
> a bag?  Did it feel inconvenient to use?  Did you find it to be a 
> non-issue, such that you're wondering what I'm fretting about?
>
> Thanks!
> -Rex
>

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[RBW] Re: C&O Allegheny - Trip Starting Sept 29th heading DC to Pittsburgh

[RivRam33]

Hi,

I'm in Northern VA and usually ride to DC on weekends.  As long as the 
weather is cooperating, I would like to join y'all on your ride heading out 
of DC.  Kelly, thanks for the contact info.  I will check in on Friday too 
see whats the plan.

Cheers,

Parviz

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[RBW] Re: Minoura seatpost grabber

[Dennis]

+1- Thanks for the heads up. I've never seen one and it is a perfect 
solution for a quick fix.
Dennis in PDX

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:44:26 AM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/tl022.htm
>
> I already had a bike stand;  but when I saw the Minoura stand that RBW 
> has, I noticed the seatpost grabber, and really liked it.  At that point, 
> RBW said they couldn't get those, that they had a lot of requests for them 
> but couldn't get those alone.  Then I tried contacting Minoura USA, and 
> even Minoura in Japan, trying to get one, and it just wasn't possible, it 
> seemed.  A year later, I'd try again, and come up empty again.
>
> The other night, I spotted these, that they'd appeared on the RBW site.   
> Ordered mine right then.  Arrived last night.  
>
> Since they'd said that other folks had asked about them before, I thought 
> I'd point out to the Bunch that they're available...
>
> -L
>
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 46cm Noodle Bars

[GSE]

I have a 46cm Noodle Bar in Excellent condition I would like to sell.  

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 1:07:11 PM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
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> Looking for a set of 46cm Noodles. Have some stuff to trade or paypal. 
> Please let me know.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Salsa Bar & Cane Creek Brakes

[GSE]

These items are sold

On Sunday, September 23, 2012 1:05:51 PM UTC-5, GSE wrote:
>
> 1 set Cane Creek SCR-5 Brake levers in black.  Excellent condition, 
> mounted and ridden about 20 miles.  No cables.  $28.00 including shipping 
> in lower 48.
>
> 1 Salsa Short & Shallow drop bar in black.  44cm wide with 31.8 clamp. 
>  7075-T6 aluminum.  Excellent condition, mounted and ridden about 20 miles. 
>  $38.00 including shipping in lower 48.
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Re: [RBW] Re: First commute -- Mystery Bike!

[Robert Barr]

Beautiful bike and an Interesting thread. The drivetrain is interesting to
me. I have a new Hunqapillar in the garage that will soon be my daily
commuter. I spent a lot of time trying to think through the drivetrain and
ended up with wide and low 40/26 chain rings and a 12-36 cassette. After
much thinking (I enjoy that part...) I went without a front derailer.
Location is everything.  I live in Indianapolis and shift about once a
month when I run into a stiff wind. I haven't used my small chain ring in 2
years, so the thought of needing to reach down and move the chain doesn't
trouble me. The 40 on the front and the 9 speed cassette offer me all the
range I need. And the 26 will be there when/if I find time to ride the
Hilly Hundred, And I can almost always find a good stick.

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Or just run a 40 or 44t chainring and a 9 speed cassette and never think
> about it again...
> With 54cm chainstays, would you need a longer-than-stock chain to run a
> 52t ring and 34t cog?
>
> Philip (a Quickbeamer) Williamson
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:49:39 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I doubt most people will actually stick-shift it. They'll probably get
>> off and swap to the other chainring by hand like Quickbeamers do. I live at
>> the top of a big hill so I'd start in the big ring, then stop and
>> hand-shift at the turnaround.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> Vallejo, CA.
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:56:43 PM UTC-7, islaysteve wrote:
>>
>>> Beautiful bike, glad to hear that you're so happy with it.  No doubt,
>>> well-designed but unconventional geometry.  I do have an issue with shift
>>> with stick/finger/whatever.  Really? How long is that going to last?
>>>  Downtube/suicide shifter I could see, if available of course.  Just my
>>> opinion, and what do I know?  Cheers, Steve
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:12:43 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:

 Great photos; looks super comfortable.  When you get to the fenders,
 think about how cool that bike would look with color matched fenders.
 What a cruiser!

 dougP

 On Sep 25, 12:06 pm, "Allingham II, Thomas J"
  wrote:
 > Finally got the Mystery Bike built up (still no fenders, though --
 working on the right fender/tire/brake combo), and took it for its maiden
 voyage/first commute.  What a great bike!  A couple of pics here:
 >
 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/**37542512@N04/8023681452/in/**
 photostream/
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[RBW] Re: C&O Allegheny - Trip Starting Sept 29th heading DC to Pittsburgh

[islaysteve]

That sounds like a wonderful trip, one that I hope I can take one day.  I'm 
looking forward to the ride report and info on C&O trail condition, tire 
sizes, etc.  Have a great ride, Steve


On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:07:55 PM UTC-4, Kelly wrote:
>
> Amit, and I along with several others are making a trip along the C&O and 
> then the Allegheny Starting in DC on the afternoon of the 29th and heading 
> back to our car in Boston Pa. 
>
> Anyway if you live close to the trail we would love to meet you face to 
> face, have lunch or something.   
>
> We can be reached... 314-799-4743 or email tksl...@gmail.com   
>
> Hope all have a good week 
>
> Kelly
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RE: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I have a Rohloff hub, which I unfortunately built into a 650B wheel for my 
Bombadil -- I've been trying to find a way not to use a chain tensioner ever 
since.  (No particularly good reason; I just think it would look a lot better, 
and I didn't buy the Rohloff chain tensioner when I bought the hub.)  So I've 
ridden it around the block a few times, and that's it.  But you're right -- 
it's hard to find a Rohloff owner who'll say anything bad about them.


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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

I hope to try a Rohloff one day. People who have them swear by them, and 
judging by their huge ratio range, reputation for reliability, and other 
benefits I'm inclined to believe they are well worth the money. I could 
totally see mystery bike owners choosing to use an IGH, but a wide-range 11-32 
8-speed like Riv sells would probably be my choice if I couldn't get a Rohloff.


On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 5:33:23 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
At least for the new model with its horizontal drops, you can use an IGH.  And 
the Rohloff hub gives more than 500% range, better than any cassette, I would 
guess.  Very expensive of course, but the quality and durability match the 
price.  And the Alfine 11 gives more than a 400% range; I've never used the 
Alfine 11, but I understand it's mechanically very like the Rohloff 14 at 
around a third the price.


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To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

I remember reading somewhere (in the RR?) on the subject of ever-expanding 
cassettes, "seven is heaven, eight is great, nine is fine, ten is getting a 
little ridiculous."

To which I would add that  an 11 cog cassette is straight up pointless. But 
to each his own.



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Re: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

[Matt Beebe]

I hope to try a Rohloff one day. People who have them swear by them, 
and judging by their huge ratio range, reputation for reliability, and 
other benefits I'm inclined to believe they are well worth the money. I 
could totally see mystery bike owners choosing to use an IGH, but a 
wide-range 11-32 8-speed like Riv sells would probably be my choice if I 
couldn't get a Rohloff. 


On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 5:33:23 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>
>  At least for the new model with its horizontal drops, you can use an 
> IGH.  And the Rohloff hub gives more than 500% range, better than any 
> cassette, I would guess.  Very expensive of course, but the quality and 
> durability match the price.  And the Alfine 11 gives more than a 400% 
> range; I've never used the Alfine 11, but I understand it's mechanically 
> very like the Rohloff 14 at around a third the price.
>
>  --
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> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD
>
>  I remember reading somewhere (in the RR?) on the subject of 
> ever-expanding cassettes, "seven is heaven, eight is great, nine is fine, 
> ten is getting a little ridiculous."
>
> To which I would add that  an 11 cog cassette is straight up 
> pointless. But to each his own.
>
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[RBW] Re: OT: Advice on trailer hitch mounted bicycle racks

[Michael Hechmer]

After years of using a variety of roof top racks we bought a Saris T Bones 
Hitch rack for our Prius in '09.  We love it.  The entire rack easily 
slides off the hitch and it comes with a floor mount, so when the hitch is 
not in use it doubles as a bike rack in the garage.  Initially I had some 
problems with the sliding members being a bit tight and Saris replaced 
them, no questions asked.  They seem to be a really good company to do 
business with.  The hitch is just wide enough to get the rear lift open, 
but as mentioned, when not in use it's about 30 seconds to remove the whole 
think.  It comes with integrated locks for both the hitch and the bikes.

Michael

On Sunday, September 23, 2012 10:09:52 PM UTC-4, Scot Brooks wrote:
>
> I'm going to be picking up a little Class 1 trailer hitch and bike rack 
> for my Honda Fit, and I'm hoping for some advice. The hitch is easy, but 
> the selection of racks is a little overwhelming, even with the reviews and 
> all that.
>
> I'm just wondering if anyone has specifically gone this route and found 
> something they'd happily recommend. Thanks all!
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RE: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

At least for the new model with its horizontal drops, you can use an IGH.  And 
the Rohloff hub gives more than 500% range, better than any cassette, I would 
guess.  Very expensive of course, but the quality and durability match the 
price.  And the Alfine 11 gives more than a 400% range; I've never used the 
Alfine 11, but I understand it's mechanically very like the Rohloff 14 at 
around a third the price.


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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

I remember reading somewhere (in the RR?) on the subject of ever-expanding 
cassettes, "seven is heaven, eight is great, nine is fine, ten is getting a 
little ridiculous."

To which I would add that  an 11 cog cassette is straight up pointless. But 
to each his own.



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[RBW] Re: Nitto R-10 vs Marks Rack for Saddlebag

[Liesl]

I've ridden with a marks rack since 2006 with, most often, a Carradice 
Barley.  Most excellent combination.  Goes back and forth between my saluki 
and my protobleriot.  I have  small (50 cm) bikes so clearance for a saddle 
bag is always in the equation.  the marks rack is 1) easy to move from bike 
to bike, 2) stable as all get-out, 3) keeps bags from rubbing on fenders, 
4) keeps saddle bags clear of cables, 5) is totally adjustable so you can 
dial in fore-and-aft and height, and 6) is so small you can just forget 
about it if you're not carrying a saddlebag.

I have no experience, though, with the R-10.

good luck, liesl  

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[RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

[Matt Beebe]

I remember reading somewhere (in the RR?) on the subject of ever-expanding 
cassettes, "seven is heaven, eight is great, nine is fine, ten is getting a 
little ridiculous."

To which I would add that  an 11 cog cassette is straight up pointless. 
But to each his own.


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[RBW] Re: FS Grant's running shoes size 12.5

[Jim M.]

I haven't run in mine yet, but I've been walking and biking in them. They 
are light and comfortable, and remind me of an enclosed flip flop. The sole 
is stiff enough, though, for biking too. At size 14, mine look a bit like 
clown shoes, but the wide toe box is very accomodating to my feet. Of 
course, at size 14, most of my shoes bear some resemblance to clown shoes.

jim m
wc ca

On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 6:04:51 AM UTC-7, Big Paulie wrote:
>
>
>
> Are Altras suitable for cycling, or just running? 
>

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[RBW] Re: Front rack bag for tall riders?

[Jim Cloud]

Uh, how much bottom support do you think is needed for a handlebar
bag??

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/3634055322/sizes/l/in/set-72157619758078965/

Also, you made no statement about the size of your frame in your
original post (my frame is 65 cm).  Good luck with your search...

Jim

On Sep 26, 12:49 pm, Rex Kerr  wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Jim Cloud  wrote:
> > Unfortunately, the options to mount a handlebar bag on a larger frame
> > bike are limited.  I have Gilles Berthoud GB2886 front bag (the
> > largest size available from Berthoud) paired with a stem-mount
> > decaleur that was previously sold by Velo Orange, however, it's no
> > longer available.
>
> > Thanks for the feedback.  That's a nice bag, but it looks like it still
>
> needs some bottom support, and barely reaches your rack.  I'm not sure what
> frame size you ride (to infer the steerer length), but it still looks like
> a shorter distance than mine.

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[RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

[dougP]

Maybe this 1 x 11 equipment will start out at the top of the line &
then trickle down if it sticks.  $425 for a cassette is aimed at some
extremely rich riders.  Is 11 speed chain even narrower thatn 10
speed?  Wonder how friction would work on 11 speed off-road?

When you think about 10 teeth to 42, it's only slightly over 4:1.  A
5:1 range (e.g., 20" to 100") is a nice touring, all rounder range.
So even with that enormous cassette tooth difference, one would have
to compromise at one end or the other.

The single front ring idea seems interesting, but the trade-off seems
a lot more complexity at the back in exchange for a slightly simpler
front system.  Could this be yet another solution in search of a
problem?

doug "8 speed with a triple & I'm sticking with it" P

On Sep 24, 4:55 pm, James Warren  wrote:
> OK, well I think I won Dumb Question of the Day today:
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: Steve Palincsar 
> >On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 07:05 -0700, James Warren wrote:
>
> >> For Red, Force, Rival, or Apex?
>
> >For that XX1.
>
> I'm kind of amused by the fact that now my knee-jerk thinking about bike 
> parts is such that I no longer make the distinction between "road" and 
> "mountain." I guess that's what 11 years of almost exclusive All-rounder 
> riding can do to you.
>
> But anyway, back to the point, is SRAM really only going to offer one price 
> level for that 11-speed rear cluster that goes to 42T? If so, that's a 
> deal-breaker. I'd still like to believe that all derailleur systems have a 
> cassette for sale that can be had for around $40.
>
> Another point: for the SRAM 1x11 to work for a lot of us all-rounder types 
> who like drop bars, I guess it would require a commitment to shifting 11 cogs 
> in friction mode. While SRAM mountain and SRAM road parts are generally 
> interchangeable, I doubt that they'll be making a brifter or bar-end shifter 
> for 11 speeds until their road system pushes over the cliff from 10 to 11. So 
> that means friction for those who don't plan to use the dedicated flat bar 
> shifter.
>
> So I guess the following sums it up for me: if the 1x11 bike only required 
> the cassette and the RD as special parts from SRAM, and if I could be 
> comfortable using friction bar-end shifting across 11 cogs, and if this would 
> all bring my low gear down to around 34/42, I would go for it...
>
> ...but not if the cassette is in the hundreds of dollars. That's a bummer. 
> Thanks for the heads-up, Steve.

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride Beausage

[dougP]

My copy has been circulating around the last couple of months.  It'll
be interesting to see what beausage it's picked up when it finally
returns.

On the issue of bike food, I'm partial to coffee & bear claws, and
leery of things I can't pronounce.

dougP

On Sep 25, 9:54 pm, lungimsam  wrote:
> Some relicing of the book. Some shots just for fun.
> I have *really* enjoyed this book, and have re-read alotta parts. I have
> learned alot. I hope Grant will write another book on bikes soon. I really
> like his down to earth approach to things. Seems like most bike literature
> out there is geared for racers and not ordinary people.
> So it is nice to have a practical cycling book I can understand and
> realistically put into practice.
>
> It is nice to have cycling info that doesn't make me twitch funny and get
> all anxious about will I bonk because my neutrons are not hydrated enough
> because I broke down my tribenzene rings the Thursday before a ride by
> drinking a glass of municipal tap water before bed, and I didn't give a
> thought to the buproplazine compound precipitants that will counteract the
> electrolytes I will be lacing my sports drink with for the century race.
> You know what I mean. Lotsa literature is way too technical for this
> recreational rider/commuter.
>
>  flip.JPG
> 101KViewDownload
>
>  nutra.JPG
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>
>  back.JPG
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Re: [RBW] Front rack bag for tall riders?

[Rex Kerr]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> How tall is "tall"?  I have 59 and 60 cm frames that carry my Berthoud
> GB2886 (same bag as Jim Cloud).  I use Berthoud decaleurs with it.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916047@N00/sets/72157627155309179/show/
>

How tall?  I was debating between the 67 and 69 cm frame and went with the
67 because they had no 69 to test ride.  After returning to RivHQ on
another trip and straddling the 71 without ill consequence I often wonder
if I'd have been better off with the 69.  My stem extension shows this in
between state as I still have more than a fist-full of stem showing to get
my m-bars at saddle height.

Riv is the only vendor who was able to meet my sizing needs with a more or
less "off the shelf" bike...

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RE: [RBW] Re: First commute -- Mystery Bike!

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

40T ring on the front.  I honestly didn't count the cogs, but they progress 
gradually up to one that with the 40T ring is quite low.  For the riding this 
bike will get, I doubt I'll ever shift the front.  (I have a Quickbeam that 
gets more miles than any of my other bikes, and I've shifted it once, just to 
see how hard it was and what impact it had on gearing.)


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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Philip Williamson
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:07 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: First commute -- Mystery Bike!

Or just run a 40 or 44t chainring and a 9 speed cassette and never think about 
it again...
With 54cm chainstays, would you need a longer-than-stock chain to run a 52t 
ring and 34t cog?

Philip (a Quickbeamer) Williamson
www.biketinker.com


On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:49:39 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
I doubt most people will actually stick-shift it. They'll probably get off and 
swap to the other chainring by hand like Quickbeamers do. I live at the top of 
a big hill so I'd start in the big ring, then stop and hand-shift at the 
turnaround.

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:56:43 PM UTC-7, islaysteve wrote:
Beautiful bike, glad to hear that you're so happy with it.  No doubt, 
well-designed but unconventional geometry.  I do have an issue with shift with 
stick/finger/whatever.  Really? How long is that going to last?  
Downtube/suicide shifter I could see, if available of course.  Just my opinion, 
and what do I know?  Cheers, Steve

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:12:43 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
Great photos; looks super comfortable.  When you get to the fenders,
think about how cool that bike would look with color matched fenders.
What a cruiser!

dougP

On Sep 25, 12:06 pm, "Allingham II, Thomas J"
 wrote:
> Finally got the Mystery Bike built up (still no fenders, though -- working on 
> the right fender/tire/brake combo), and took it for its maiden voyage/first 
> commute.  What a great bike!  A couple of pics here:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8023681452/in/photostream/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8023688058/in/photostream/
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Re: [RBW] Front rack bag for tall riders?

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2012-09-26 at 12:10 -0700, Rex Kerr wrote:
> My handlebar bag is in tatters and needing replacement.  In addition,
> it doesn't work on my AHH's mustache bars, which has me thinking of
> converting to a rack mounted bag since both of the bikes I'd use it on
> have front racks.  The problem is, in all of the pictures that I see
> where they look very conveniently placed, they're on small bikes.  On
> these small bikes with short steerer tubes the bag is tall enough to
> come up nearly to the bar height, and all is well.  Problem for us
> tall guys is that the distance down to the rack is quite extreme.  So,
> I'm thinking that such a bag wouldn't be ideal for me.  
> 
> 
> Any thoughts on this subject from fellow tall riders?  Have you tried
> such a bag?  Did it feel inconvenient to use?  Did you find it to be a
> non-issue, such that you're wondering what I'm fretting about?

How tall is "tall"?  I have 59 and 60 cm frames that carry my Berthoud
GB2886 (same bag as Jim Cloud).  I use Berthoud decaleurs with it.

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Re: [RBW] C&O Allegheny - Trip Starting Sept 29th heading DC to Pittsburgh

[Steve Wimberg]

My wife and I are doing the C&O path in October - she on her Saluki and me on 
my Ram.  I'd like to try and fit some 32mm wide tires on my Ram, but I'm not 
sure if they will fit with the Longboards - I'll have to see.

What size tires are you guys using?

Steve

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Re: [RBW] Front rack bag for tall riders?

[Joe Broach]

This came up a while back (maybe on the 650b or i-BoB list), and I
paid attention because the biggest Berthoud is borderline too small
for my frames, too. I thought a great idea that came up was to make
use of the extra space and make a dual compartment bag. Tools and
other things not needed while riding go down below, and the usual
food/clothes/camera go up top.

Of course, this would need to be custom, but custom bags sewn here
don't seem to be that much more than Berthoud. Ruthworks for one seems
willing to experiment. You could also mock one up yourself for the
cost of tape and a campaign sign or two:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclerslife/sets/72157631544583459/

Interested to see what you come up with.

Best,
joe broach
portland, or

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Rex Kerr  wrote:
> My handlebar bag is in tatters and needing replacement.  In addition, it
> doesn't work on my AHH's mustache bars, which has me thinking of converting
> to a rack mounted bag since both of the bikes I'd use it on have front
> racks.  The problem is, in all of the pictures that I see where they look
> very conveniently placed, they're on small bikes.  On these small bikes with
> short steerer tubes the bag is tall enough to come up nearly to the bar
> height, and all is well.  Problem for us tall guys is that the distance down
> to the rack is quite extreme.  So, I'm thinking that such a bag wouldn't be
> ideal for me.
>
> Any thoughts on this subject from fellow tall riders?  Have you tried such a
> bag?  Did it feel inconvenient to use?  Did you find it to be a non-issue,
> such that you're wondering what I'm fretting about?
>
> Thanks!
> -Rex
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[RBW] Re: First commute -- Mystery Bike!

[Montclair BobbyB]

Nice, Tom!!! Totally tentacular!!

I'm waiting for someone to ask if that's an 'xtracycle / cargo bike'...

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:06:43 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>
>  Finally got the Mystery Bike built up (still no fenders, though -- 
> working on the right fender/tire/brake combo), and took it for its maiden 
> voyage/first commute.  What a great bike!  A couple of pics here:
>  
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8023681452/in/photostream/
>  
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8023688058/in/photostream/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Front rack bag for tall riders?

[Rex Kerr]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Jim Cloud  wrote:

> Unfortunately, the options to mount a handlebar bag on a larger frame
> bike are limited.  I have Gilles Berthoud GB2886 front bag (the
> largest size available from Berthoud) paired with a stem-mount
> decaleur that was previously sold by Velo Orange, however, it's no
> longer available.
>
> Thanks for the feedback.  That's a nice bag, but it looks like it still
needs some bottom support, and barely reaches your rack.  I'm not sure what
frame size you ride (to infer the steerer length), but it still looks like
a shorter distance than mine.

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RE: [RBW] Nitto R-10 vs Marks Rack for Saddlebag

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Peter:

I have Paul Touring Cantis on the rear of the Quickbeam, so I can't be sure 
about clearance for Neo-Retros.  Can't recall whether clearance was tight with 
the Touring calipers.

Tom


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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Morgano
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 3:43 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Nitto R-10 vs Marks Rack for Saddlebag

Do you think there would be an interference problem with the high profile 
brakes? I mean do the struts for the marks clear them ok? I would prefer the 
Marks since if I do ever get another bag it has more than one use, unlike a 
dedicated saddlebag rack.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J 
mailto:thomas.alling...@skadden.com>> wrote:
Haven't used the R-10, but I had a Mark's Rack on the rear of my Quickbeam for 
a while.  It worked well for support of saddlebags -- better than the Bagman I 
replaced it with.

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 On Behalf Of Peter M
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:08 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Nitto R-10 vs Marks Rack for Saddlebag

So I have been waxing and waning over whether to get the Bagman for my 
Carradice Pendle.  I just don think it is a good choice due to the fact I want 
to just be able to mount it and not worry about it coming loose and the fact 
that I dont want anything mounted to my saddle. I was trying to decide now 
between the Nitto R-10 and the Marks Rack and was wondering if anyone has used 
both or has first hand experience with using either one with a sprung saddle 
and high profile brakes (paul neo retro). Thanks to any advice yall can offer.

Peter

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Re: [RBW] Nitto R-10 vs Marks Rack for Saddlebag

[Peter Morgano]

Do you think there would be an interference problem with the high profile
brakes? I mean do the struts for the marks clear them ok? I would prefer
the Marks since if I do ever get another bag it has more than one use,
unlike a dedicated saddlebag rack.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J <
thomas.alling...@skadden.com> wrote:

> Haven't used the R-10, but I had a Mark's Rack on the rear of my Quickbeam
> for a while.  It worked well for support of saddlebags -- better than the
> Bagman I replaced it with.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter M
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:08 PM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Nitto R-10 vs Marks Rack for Saddlebag
>
> So I have been waxing and waning over whether to get the Bagman for my
> Carradice Pendle.  I just don think it is a good choice due to the fact I
> want to just be able to mount it and not worry about it coming loose and
> the fact that I dont want anything mounted to my saddle. I was trying to
> decide now between the Nitto R-10 and the Marks Rack and was wondering if
> anyone has used both or has first hand experience with using either one
> with a sprung saddle and high profile brakes (paul neo retro). Thanks to
> any advice yall can offer.
>
> Peter
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[RBW] Re: Front rack bag for tall riders?

[Jim Cloud]

Unfortunately, the options to mount a handlebar bag on a larger frame
bike are limited.  I have Gilles Berthoud GB2886 front bag (the
largest size available from Berthoud) paired with a stem-mount
decaleur that was previously sold by Velo Orange, however, it's no
longer available.  Perhaps you might be able to source something
similar from a custom builder.  I'm not sure, by the way, how you
would fare mounting a similar decaleur with moustache bars.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/6039071852/sizes/l/in/set-72157619758078965/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/5326121224/sizes/l/in/set-72157619758078965/

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ


On Sep 26, 12:10 pm, Rex Kerr  wrote:
> My handlebar bag is in tatters and needing replacement.  In addition, it
> doesn't work on my AHH's mustache bars, which has me thinking of converting
> to a rack mounted bag since both of the bikes I'd use it on have front
> racks.  The problem is, in all of the pictures that I see where they look
> very conveniently placed, they're on small bikes.  On these small bikes
> with short steerer tubes the bag is tall enough to come up nearly to the
> bar height, and all is well.  Problem for us tall guys is that the distance
> down to the rack is quite extreme.  So, I'm thinking that such a bag
> wouldn't be ideal for me.
>
> Any thoughts on this subject from fellow tall riders?  Have you tried such
> a bag?  Did it feel inconvenient to use?  Did you find it to be a
> non-issue, such that you're wondering what I'm fretting about?
>
> Thanks!
> -Rex

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RE: [RBW] Nitto R-10 vs Marks Rack for Saddlebag

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Haven't used the R-10, but I had a Mark's Rack on the rear of my Quickbeam for 
a while.  It worked well for support of saddlebags -- better than the Bagman I 
replaced it with. 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter M
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:08 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Nitto R-10 vs Marks Rack for Saddlebag

So I have been waxing and waning over whether to get the Bagman for my 
Carradice Pendle.  I just don think it is a good choice due to the fact I want 
to just be able to mount it and not worry about it coming loose and the fact 
that I dont want anything mounted to my saddle. I was trying to decide now 
between the Nitto R-10 and the Marks Rack and was wondering if anyone has used 
both or has first hand experience with using either one with a sprung saddle 
and high profile brakes (paul neo retro). Thanks to any advice yall can offer.

Peter

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[RBW] Front rack bag for tall riders?

[Rex Kerr]

My handlebar bag is in tatters and needing replacement.  In addition, it
doesn't work on my AHH's mustache bars, which has me thinking of converting
to a rack mounted bag since both of the bikes I'd use it on have front
racks.  The problem is, in all of the pictures that I see where they look
very conveniently placed, they're on small bikes.  On these small bikes
with short steerer tubes the bag is tall enough to come up nearly to the
bar height, and all is well.  Problem for us tall guys is that the distance
down to the rack is quite extreme.  So, I'm thinking that such a bag
wouldn't be ideal for me.

Any thoughts on this subject from fellow tall riders?  Have you tried such
a bag?  Did it feel inconvenient to use?  Did you find it to be a
non-issue, such that you're wondering what I'm fretting about?

Thanks!
-Rex

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Re: [RBW] C&O Allegheny - Trip Starting Sept 29th heading DC to Pittsburgh

[Lyle Bogart]

Ah, that sounds nice! Have a great ride--take pics :)

cheers!

lyle

On 26 September 2012 12:07, Kelly  wrote:

> Amit, and I along with several others are making a trip along the C&O and
> then the Allegheny Starting in DC on the afternoon of the 29th and heading
> back to our car in Boston Pa.
>
> Anyway if you live close to the trail we would love to meet you face to
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Re: [RBW] C&O Allegheny - Trip Starting Sept 29th heading DC to Pittsburgh

[Eric Chatham]

Good luck, guys!  I did it in 2007, on a Bike Friday New World Tourist.
 Flew into Pittsburgh and out of DC, one of the cool things about having a
bike that fits in a suitcase.  Weather is everything, especially on the
C&O.  One of the best cycling trips I have ever done!

Quickbeam green with envy,

Eric

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> then the Allegheny Starting in DC on the afternoon of the 29th and heading
> back to our car in Boston Pa.
>
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[RBW] Re: FS Grant's running shoes size 12.5

[Dan]

well, I had planned to use them for cycling.  Personally, I don't run, I 
was just interested because it is so hard for me to find shoes that fit, 
and these are wide for my wide feet and they have minimal arch support 
which also seemed good.

so yeah, as much as any non-cycling-specific shoe can be used for cycling, 
these could. They seem like they are very breathable so would be good 
warm-weather wear.

Dan S., Madison, WI

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>
>
>
> Are Altras suitable for cycling, or just running? 
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Re: [RBW] Re: First commute -- Mystery Bike!

[Brian Hanson]

That seat tube looks really laid-back, as well!  Any way you can measure
the angle?  Wow - I'll bet it's an awesome comfy ride!

Brian
Seattle

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Jeremy Till  wrote:

> Something that stands out as I'm looking at the pictures more is that, in
> terms of seat tube and head tube length, this frame is much lower than
> "traditional" Riv sizing, and I'm assuming that this in intentional on the
> part of Riv, since you only provided them with a PBH, right?  Probably
> since this frame is meant to be ridden with Bosco's, which rise so much
> anyways, they figured a lower frame was appropriate.  TT length, obviously,
> is much longer for a given frame size than on the traditional frames.  That
> "aero" position down on the flats of the bars must feel pretty aero.
>
> The more i look at it, the more I want one!  You must feel lucky that you
> took the plunge!
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 12:06:43 PM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>>
>>  Finally got the Mystery Bike built up (still no fenders, though --
>> working on the right fender/tire/brake combo), and took it for its maiden
>> voyage/first commute.  What a great bike!  A couple of pics here:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**37542512@N04/8023681452/in/**photostream/
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[RBW] C&O Allegheny - Trip Starting Sept 29th heading DC to Pittsburgh

[justinaugust]

How close do you pass to Philly?

-Justin. 





In Philly. 

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[RBW] Re: C&O Allegheny - Trip Starting Sept 29th heading DC to Pittsburgh

[Amit Singh]

WOO!  So excited !!!  :)

On Wednesday, 26 September 2012 12:07:55 UTC-4, Kelly wrote:
>
> Amit, and I along with several others are making a trip along the C&O and 
> then the Allegheny Starting in DC on the afternoon of the 29th and heading 
> back to our car in Boston Pa. 
>
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> face, have lunch or something.   
>
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> Hope all have a good week 
>
> Kelly
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[RBW] Re: First commute -- Mystery Bike!

[Jeremy Till]

Something that stands out as I'm looking at the pictures more is that, in 
terms of seat tube and head tube length, this frame is much lower than 
"traditional" Riv sizing, and I'm assuming that this in intentional on the 
part of Riv, since you only provided them with a PBH, right?  Probably 
since this frame is meant to be ridden with Bosco's, which rise so much 
anyways, they figured a lower frame was appropriate.  TT length, obviously, 
is much longer for a given frame size than on the traditional frames.  That 
"aero" position down on the flats of the bars must feel pretty aero.

The more i look at it, the more I want one!  You must feel lucky that you 
took the plunge!

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 12:06:43 PM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>
>  Finally got the Mystery Bike built up (still no fenders, though -- 
> working on the right fender/tire/brake combo), and took it for its maiden 
> voyage/first commute.  What a great bike!  A couple of pics here:
>  
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8023681452/in/photostream/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Help with platform pedals...

[Rex Kerr]

I have both the Grip King and Touring pedals. Both needed spindle
extensions for me to be comfortable. I guess I'm just wonky. :) Size 14
feet probably contribute to it too, since the same angle means more outward
distance needed at the toe to clear the crank arm at the heel than an
average sized foot.

On Sep 25, 2012, at 9:39 PM, lungimsam  wrote:

I stopped using frogs, and went to MKS Touring pedals (*wide enough for
> foot - no rolling off*), and MKS Medium deep toe clips - no straps.
>
>
This keeps my *feet glued to the pedals on rough descents*, and helps me *wind
up the pedal to the position I want when at stops*.

Easy in-out, because I don't use straps.

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[RBW] Nitto R-10 vs Marks Rack for Saddlebag

[Peter M]

So I have been waxing and waning over whether to get the Bagman for my
Carradice Pendle.  I just don think it is a good choice due to the
fact I want to just be able to mount it and not worry about it coming
loose and the fact that I dont want anything mounted to my saddle. I
was trying to decide now between the Nitto R-10 and the Marks Rack and
was wondering if anyone has used both or has first hand experience
with using either one with a sprung saddle and high profile brakes
(paul neo retro). Thanks to any advice yall can offer.

Peter

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[RBW] C&O Allegheny - Trip Starting Sept 29th heading DC to Pittsburgh

[Kelly]

Amit, and I along with several others are making a trip along the C&O and 
then the Allegheny Starting in DC on the afternoon of the 29th and heading 
back to our car in Boston Pa. 

Anyway if you live close to the trail we would love to meet you face to 
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We can be reached... 314-799-4743 or email tkslee...@gmail.com   

Hope all have a good week 

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam style

[Jeremy Till]

The QB is definitely the most beautiful bike i've ever owned, and has 
gotten me more attention from strangers in the past month than all of my 
other bikes have ever. 

Enjoy your fall rides!  We're still in indian summer here in the Bay Area, 
and I've been enjoying it. 

On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 8:49:36 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> I was riding behind Erin and her green Quickbeam with cream longboards and 
> brown and green harlequin-taped m'bars on our commute in today.  'Twas a 
> beautiful crisp fall morning—one of the first with wooly tops and caps, and 
> the bike-rider combination was a joy to view.  
>
> I called out a cheery, "You're lookin' *fine* on your Quickbeam!"  
>
> To which she retorted, "Well, if a Quickbeam doesn't make you look fine on 
> a bicycle, what else could?"
>
> Liesl got-all-my-stitches-out-and-feeling-fine-myself in Minneapolis
>

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[RBW] Quickbeam style

[Liesl]

I was riding behind Erin and her green Quickbeam with cream longboards and 
brown and green harlequin-taped m'bars on our commute in today.  'Twas a 
beautiful crisp fall morning—one of the first with wooly tops and caps, and 
the bike-rider combination was a joy to view.  

I called out a cheery, "You're lookin' *fine* on your Quickbeam!"  

To which she retorted, "Well, if a Quickbeam doesn't make you look fine on 
a bicycle, what else could?"

Liesl got-all-my-stitches-out-and-feeling-fine-myself in Minneapolis

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[RBW] Re: Grant Peterson (Rivendell) book event + ride! 9/23 ~ Naperville, IL

[grant]

They're becoming more rambling and in my head they're becoming more visual, 
but less list-y. I see scattered topics and points to make that can be 
linked together in a variety of ways that make sense, but the way I put 
them together isn't necessarily the most efficient way. Although, I'd say, 
there is flow. I don't go down long lonely alleys and stew at the end, or 
anything. After so many talks, I'm trying to get out of a rut.

Clarification: I do intervals of some kind once a week, but not always on 
the bike. Often, not always. They last 6 minutes.

Chasing down others: I fight the urge and limit it to guys only and those 
who are clearly younger. But the opportunity doesn't come up much, because 
I don't go on long fast rides to nowhere and back on popular routes.

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:42:02 PM UTC-6, Eric Peterson wrote:
>
> I was at the talk as well. Didn't go on the ride because I had errands to 
> run (on bike of course). It looked like he had a good turnout for the ride 
> as well as the talk. 
>
> The talk was kind of unpolished and rambling - which I liked. 
> Some interesting things I found out was that Grant still does intervals. 
> Very short intervals by his account, but intervals nonetheless.
> Also I got the impression that he really likes catching up to and passing 
> lycra-clad riders while dressed like an unracer. 
>
> Eric in Naperville
>
> On Sunday, September 23, 2012 2:54:23 PM UTC-5, Marty wrote:
>>
>> Was able to grab a train to Naperville this morning, along with my 
>>> Quickbeam. Tooled around town for a half hour before the talk. Nice to say 
>>> Hi to Grant, but I had to catch the last train back to Chicago before the 
>>> group ride. They had a nice display in the window, complete with a great 
>>> Sam Hillborne. 
>>
>>
>>  *http://tinyurl.com/8ho66kk*
>> *
>> *
>> Grant gave a nice talk, and I had to smile at the title of the book over 
>> his right shoulder. 
>>
>> *http://tinyurl.com/8dtv3f2*
>> *
>> *
>> Speaking of trains, this one left the station in Chicago just after I 
>> did. There were hundreds of photographers camped out along the route, 
>> and it flew through Naperville just after I got there. Very cool!
>> *
>> *
>> *http://tinyurl.com/8clraz5*
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS Grant's running shoes size 12.5

[Big Paulie]

Are Altras suitable for cycling, or just running?

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[RBW] Re: First commute -- Mystery Bike!

[Matthew J]

Really turned out well.  Thanks for sharing the pictures.

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[RBW] FS Grant's running shoes size 12.5

[Dan]

I bought a pair of the Altra shoes on closeout that Grant posted about a 
while back. They said buy one size bigger than your normal shoe, but since 
they didn't have 13's I thought I'd try 12.5s.  Well, they were right, you 
need to go a full size bigger.  Anyway, since there was a bit of discussion 
on the list about these, before I send them back I thought I'd give the 
list a crack at these at the closeout-plus-coupon price.  Brand new, only 
tried on one of them and it was obvious they were too short, so I 
immediately took it off and put it back in the box. same silver color as on 
the BLUG.  $55 shipped.  thanks, Dan

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Re: [RBW] Anyone ride a Riv-ish double crank setup?

[Ray Shine]

Yes. My Gomez is set up similarly, but I use Sugino cranks, with an 8 speed 
11-32 cass. I use stem shifters instead of BEs. It's my semi-daily commuter (my 
other commuters are the Quickbeam, and a fendered IGH Jamis for wet weather).





From: Michael Hechmer 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, September 26, 2012 3:33:49 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Anyone ride a Riv-ish double crank setup?

Nice bike Brian, thanks for the pics.
Michael

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 11:55:22 PM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
My AHH has 46/30, Electra Ticino crank, VO rings and 10 speed, 11-34 rear 
cassette. Using an indexed 10 speed bar end shifter. Works great.
>
>
>http://i91.photobucket.com/ albums/k292/bylar13/005-2.jpg
>
>http://i91.photobucket.com/ albums/k292/bylar13/007-2.jpg
>
>http://i91.photobucket.com/ albums/k292/bylar13/006-2.jpg
>
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Re: [RBW] Anyone ride a Riv-ish double crank setup?

[Michael Hechmer]

Nice bike Brian, thanks for the pics.
Michael

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 11:55:22 PM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> My AHH has 46/30, Electra Ticino crank, VO rings and 10 speed, 11-34 rear 
> cassette. Using an indexed 10 speed bar end shifter. Works great.
>
> http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/bylar13/005-2.jpg
> http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/bylar13/007-2.jpg
> http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/bylar13/006-2.jpg
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone ride a Riv-ish double crank setup?

[Michael Hechmer]

Going to  a bigger cassette would probably require a different RD, and wide 
range cassettes necessarily create large jumps between gears.  If you like 
the spacing on your current cassette you might not like the wider steps.   
If you are unsure perhaps trying to borrow the wider cassette would be a 
good idea.

I share your feeling about the 34/27 combo, which is what I have on my 
racing bike, which gives a low gear of 34 g.i., not enough in hilly VT.  My 
Ram has a White VBC crank with 44/30 rings & an 11/28, which yields a low 
gear of 29, g.i. which I find to be enough for very light loads except on 
very long, steep climbs.  My touring bike goes down to 26.  A new crank, 
like the VBC or Compass shouldn't affect your SIS set up.  Another 
solution, not much more money than a 10 spd cassette, is to buy the Sugino 
triple and just put a chain guard on the outside, with the 46 or 44/28.

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 6:01:20 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
>
> I have bar-end shifters.
>>
>  
>
>> Shimano 10speed SIS/Friction for RD.
>> Shimano Friction on the FD.
>>
>  
> I do not tour, but carry commuting loads of less than 10lbs on rear rack.
>  
> It is just that the 34 x 27 is too hard for me on local hills. Would going 
> to a 32 or 34 cassette in the rear make that much of a difference? Swapping 
> a cassette does sound like the least expensive idea.
>
>>  
>>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: First commute -- Mystery Bike!

[Matt Beebe]

I always use a stick to shift my QB-it's usually a 5mm allen key that I 
keep in the saddlebag, but have also used a tire lever, multi-tool, pocket 
knife, or a stick lying on the ground nearby. The chain is too dirty to 
be grabbing it by hand.



On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:49:39 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I doubt most people will actually stick-shift it. They'll probably get off 
> and swap to the other chainring by hand like Quickbeamers do. I live at the 
> top of a big hill so I'd start in the big ring, then stop and hand-shift at 
> the turnaround.
>  
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:56:43 PM UTC-7, islaysteve wrote:
>
>> Beautiful bike, glad to hear that you're so happy with it.  No doubt, 
>> well-designed but unconventional geometry.  I do have an issue with shift 
>> with stick/finger/whatever.  Really? How long is that going to last? 
>>  Downtube/suicide shifter I could see, if available of course.  Just my 
>> opinion, and what do I know?  Cheers, Steve 
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:12:43 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
>>>
>>> Great photos; looks super comfortable.  When you get to the fenders, 
>>> think about how cool that bike would look with color matched fenders. 
>>> What a cruiser! 
>>>
>>> dougP 
>>>
>>> On Sep 25, 12:06 pm, "Allingham II, Thomas J" 
>>>  wrote: 
>>> > Finally got the Mystery Bike built up (still no fenders, though -- 
>>> working on the right fender/tire/brake combo), and took it for its maiden 
>>> voyage/first commute.  What a great bike!  A couple of pics here: 
>>> > 
>>> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8023681452/in/photostream/ 
>>> > 
>>> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8023688058/in/photostream/ 
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