Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!
One may look good on the outside and still have a heart attack at 57 due to a lifetime of poor diet choices. Its not just about being lean although losing body fat is part of the reason I am eating a low carb Primal/Paleo way.eating primarily meat,eggs, leafy greens and other actual vegetables (no, corn is not a vegetable) berries, nuts and some fruit has allowed me to lose 30 pounds with a very low level of exercise compared to most people. I know my blood sugar is more stable when I eat this way and I feel better doing so. When I was younger.(20's to 30's) I had no trouble keeping my weight down and I was a full 70 pounds lighter at 30 years of age than I am at 54. The fat came from eating excessive carbohydrates like pasta, cookies, beer, pizza, baked goods, ice cream etc. etc. plus stress and lack of sleep and a reduction in exercise until about age 42 when I tried riding my fat off without a diet change and never lost a pound until I tried the Atkins approach but soon stopped that on poor advice from supposed professionals.ten years later, I tried it again eating exactly the same as I did earlier and lost fat effortlessly.I might add that we eat plenty of veggies too (not just meat) as some might think. I do believe some are genetically predisposed to being lean no matter what they eat but that doesn't mean their diet choices are healthy or that they will always be lean. Often as those natural lean folks age they develop a pot belly and their arteries clog just like the big fat guys does.heck statistically its more likely the natural skinny guy is the one that has the heart attack and the fat guy lives to be 85. What am I trying to say? Its not just what you see on the outside and it may be a false confidence if someone is young and in shape to believe that they are living healthy and will always be in shape. Here a photo of me at about 29 to prove my point. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2407446671790set=a.2545020671054.2143016.1419870581type=3theater On Saturday, October 6, 2012 3:57:04 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: It must be like pedaling in circles -- people are very different. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Marc Schwartz msch...@nmsu.edujavascript: wrote: Beer, bread, pasta, and sweeties make Marc look like Jabba the Hut. That's just me, not bein' pedantic here. Marc From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: [ rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:] on behalf of PATRICK MOORE [ bert...@gmail.com javascript:] Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 3:08 PM To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: Subject: Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again! I can't cite evidence except long-term and widespread custom, but while it may well be true that effective insulin regulation is the -- or *a* -- key to good metabolism, I can't help but think that 10,000 years of agriculture -- ie, grains -- can't help but be natural to the human body (dig the double whatchamacallit negative). 10K years is pretty primal. And more, the Hopi, Chinese, Japanese and Indians didn't start getting fat and diabetic until they began to wean themselves from the rice, maize or wheat that formerly made up most of their diet. OTOH, I've seen no evidence that the traditional Inuit or the Masai suffered from obesity, diabetes, heart trouble or lack of energy because they ate mostly proteins and fats. Sure, traditional people also exercised more than modern couch potatoes, but then the Primal argument says that exercise won't keep it off if you eat carbs. The Italians and French are not noted for statistical excesses of obesity and diabetes and heart disease. Me, I eat my grandmother's primal diet that includes six packs, good bread, pasta as well as vegetables, dairy, wine, and red meat. And I'm 200% fit! As with cycling rules, I prefer to remain a skeptic for one-size-fits-all, while being wholly willing to accept that Primal may work for some people. Well, my one-size-fits-all rule is that modern processing is probably bad. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Michael Hechmer mhec...@gmail.comjavascript: mailto:mhech...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: This may be stretching the boundaries of the list mission, but we have entertained a long discussion around Why We Get Fat, and if memory serves me right, GP published an article in the Reader, which challenged the wisdom of extreme forms of exercise, like the Iron Man competition. So... I recently stumbled across a web site, http://www.marksdailyapple.com/#axzz28QX0hvFJ while looking for some health info. The author has a whole thing going under the rubric of the Primal Blueprint. While his starting point seemed debatable the conclusions he comes to both about diet and exercise sound practical and congruent with the diet and exercise recommendations from Rivendell. And they build on them. They
Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!
One may look good on the outside and still have a heart attack at 57 due to a lifetime of poor diet choices and more likely the natural skinny guy is the one that has the heart attack and the fat guy lives to be 85. What am I trying to say? Its not just what you see on the outside and it may be a false confidence if someone is young and in shape to believe that they are living healthy and will always be in shape +1 Charlie! Many of the patients I treat fall into this skinny-fat category and they always seem amazed to learn there's more to being healthy than having low bodyweight. Cheers! lyle -- lyle f bogart dpt 156 bradford rd wiscasset, me 04578 207.882.6494 206.794.6937 On 7 October 2012 04:14, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote: One may look good on the outside and still have a heart attack at 57 due to a lifetime of poor diet choices. Its not just about being lean although losing body fat is part of the reason I am eating a low carb Primal/Paleo way.eating primarily meat,eggs, leafy greens and other actual vegetables (no, corn is not a vegetable) berries, nuts and some fruit has allowed me to lose 30 pounds with a very low level of exercise compared to most people. I know my blood sugar is more stable when I eat this way and I feel better doing so. When I was younger.(20's to 30's) I had no trouble keeping my weight down and I was a full 70 pounds lighter at 30 years of age than I am at 54. The fat came from eating excessive carbohydrates like pasta, cookies, beer, pizza, baked goods, ice cream etc. etc. plus stress and lack of sleep and a reduction in exercise until about age 42 when I tried riding my fat off without a diet change and never lost a pound until I tried the Atkins approach but soon stopped that on poor advice from supposed professionals.ten years later, I tried it again eating exactly the same as I did earlier and lost fat effortlessly.I might add that we eat plenty of veggies too (not just meat) as some might think. I do believe some are genetically predisposed to being lean no matter what they eat but that doesn't mean their diet choices are healthy or that they will always be lean. Often as those natural lean folks age they develop a pot belly and their arteries clog just like the big fat guys does.heck statistically its more likely the natural skinny guy is the one that has the heart attack and the fat guy lives to be 85. What am I trying to say? Its not just what you see on the outside and it may be a false confidence if someone is young and in shape to believe that they are living healthy and will always be in shape. Here a photo of me at about 29 to prove my point. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2407446671790set=a.2545020671054.2143016.1419870581type=3theater On Saturday, October 6, 2012 3:57:04 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: It must be like pedaling in circles -- people are very different. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Marc Schwartz msch...@nmsu.edu wrote: Beer, bread, pasta, and sweeties make Marc look like Jabba the Hut. That's just me, not bein' pedantic here. Marc __**__ From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com [rbw-owne...@**googlegroups.com] on behalf of PATRICK MOORE [bert...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 3:08 PM To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com Subject: Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again! I can't cite evidence except long-term and widespread custom, but while it may well be true that effective insulin regulation is the -- or *a* -- key to good metabolism, I can't help but think that 10,000 years of agriculture -- ie, grains -- can't help but be natural to the human body (dig the double whatchamacallit negative). 10K years is pretty primal. And more, the Hopi, Chinese, Japanese and Indians didn't start getting fat and diabetic until they began to wean themselves from the rice, maize or wheat that formerly made up most of their diet. OTOH, I've seen no evidence that the traditional Inuit or the Masai suffered from obesity, diabetes, heart trouble or lack of energy because they ate mostly proteins and fats. Sure, traditional people also exercised more than modern couch potatoes, but then the Primal argument says that exercise won't keep it off if you eat carbs. The Italians and French are not noted for statistical excesses of obesity and diabetes and heart disease. Me, I eat my grandmother's primal diet that includes six packs, good bread, pasta as well as vegetables, dairy, wine, and red meat. And I'm 200% fit! As with cycling rules, I prefer to remain a skeptic for one-size-fits-all, while being wholly willing to accept that Primal may work for some people. Well, my one-size-fits-all rule is that modern processing is probably bad. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Michael Hechmer mhec...@gmail.com mailto:mhe**ch...@gmail.com wrote: This may be stretching the boundaries of the list mission, but we have
Re: [RBW] Re: Your order has shipped...(62cm Hunq)
That's a great looking bike! Looks like you got the perfect fit with it. Those pictures make me want to go for a ride around your area, what great views! On Saturday, October 6, 2012 10:59:26 PM UTC-4, Statrixbob wrote: On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net javascript:wrote: Robert: TOO LATE IN THE DAY! Those pictures were taken with plenty of perfectly good daylight. How could you not at least open the box? That bike would have been all over my patio before the UPS guy had started his engine. Getting a new Riv is more exiting than Santa Claus showing up. Believe it or not, we don't get much twilight here. Within 30 minutes of those photos it was getting near dark. I would have needed the light to make all the images I wanted of unboxing, building, first ride, and so on. And, knowing myself well enough, I left things in the box so no shiny bits rolled away. Indeed though, no shiny bits could get away. In the years since I got my Quickbeam the packing skills at RBW haven't lessened a bit. The bike was superbly packedvery, very safe and stable. After morning errands I got to work on unpacking and within a couple of hours (I'm slow and made images) I had a beautiful, and I mean beautiful Hunq put together. I should mention that because I had the bike built for me, all I really had to do was hook up the brakes, put in the stem, tighten the handlebars in a reasonable position (amazingly I got it really comfortable on the first try), put on the front fender and rack, add a saddle (Brooks B-17 Select), screw on some pedals (the new Gripsters - great pedals really), and ride off. Wow. Because I've got a couple of other bikes around I was actually able to dial in the saddle after about 3 blocks. Then it was off for an around the city waterfront ride. True it's all flat, but it's my city and I'll be riding these roads a lot OK, so you got it late on Friday it's now afternoon there in Hawai'i so I expect you're out riding your new bike. Your initial ride report is due to be posted yet today...remember: you are being watched! So yes, it's afternoon and I'm back. I hate to say this but when I first got my Quickbeam I thought it was the best bike I'd ever ridden. Up to that point I was right. The Hunq is even better (or maybe it's because it's new, eh?). It really is a superb bike though. While I definitely want some 50mm tires soon, the 38mm's were super on city streets with plenty of air to keep me comfy. The Alba bars were a gamble for me. I'd ridden a Hunq at RBW back in May and hadn't completely cared for them, but since they were part of the build kit I figured I could swap later. Nope, I love 'em. Wow. Yes, this bike is comfortable. I stopped to make some images here and there...a wee bit of bike porn...and continued around the city. I also stopped for an iced coffee because isn't that really what a weekend is about? Riding and leisure. You just can't do better. I did manage to find a few patches of rougher stuff to ride on, a gravel filled alley, a cut across a park on a crushed coral path, a bit of grass, and the Hunq handled it all very nicely. The Alba bars gave me lots of control and the geometry of it all kept me comfortable. More wow. I really like the bar end shifters as I mostly forget they are there and don't shift too much. :-) Then it was home as I've got to clean up and go out with a friend for dinner and birthday celebration. All in all I think put in about 10 miles on my first ride and a good one it was. We really are a bunch of dorks, getting excited about someone else's new bike, looking a pix of the UPS truck arriving. Maybe I should think some more about that orange Ram in the Bay Area... I've got much better images now, though I have to admit that the smiling UPS guy really brightened my day yesterday. :-) The photos are uploading right now to my Hunq set on Flickr. I don't have time to label them all right now, but I'll get around to that later tonight. In the meantime, enjoy... Slideshow http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157631702162963/show/ or 'no show' http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157631702162963/ Tomorrow I think I can get in a nice long ride and try her out on some hills to see how I like gears you can change while riding. What a concept! Aloha, Bob dougP On Oct 5, 9:47 pm, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote: Hunqementation Chapter 1. The Arrival... http://www.flickr.com//photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157631702162963/show/ Sadly it was too late the day to do anything useful, but my Hunq has arrived. I even managed not to open the box...saving that for tomorrow. I did, however, made some images of the UPS truck's arrival. A happy UPS guy too...must have know what he had in the box. :-) The pictures prove something got delivered. ;-)
Re: [RBW] Your order has shipped...(62cm Hunq)
That is one fine looking bike! Love the shade of green! Enjoy! Cheers! lyle -- lyle f bogart dpt 156 bradford rd wiscasset, me 04578 207.882.6494 206.794.6937 On 6 October 2012 00:47, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote: Hunqementation Chapter 1. The Arrival... http://www.flickr.com//photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157631702162963/show/ Sadly it was too late the day to do anything useful, but my Hunq has arrived. I even managed not to open the box...saving that for tomorrow. I did, however, made some images of the UPS truck's arrival. A happy UPS guy too...must have know what he had in the box. :-) The pictures prove something got delivered. ;-) Bet you can guess what I'm up to tomorrow. Aloha all! On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:59 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: The QB documentation was great, so the Hunqementation will be just as good! On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Jim Mather mather...@gmail.com wrote: Great! A Hunq would complement my QB nicely too some day. Big Apples in 50 are a very nice tire for something like a Hunq. happy trails jim m wc ca On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote: Your order has shipped. Those are four of my favorite words. Apparently I agreed to 2-Day Air shipping of a brand new 62cm Hunqapillar. The air shipping is a bit overboard when you live in Hawaii because, quite frankly, it all comes by air anyway. But as I ordered the bike back in May I think I'll be happier with a bike this weekend than I would be spending the weekend wondering when it'll arrive. Right now it's scheduled for this Friday...yes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- lyle f bogart dpt 156 bradford rd wiscasset, me 04578 207.882.6494 206.794.6937 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: NITTO moved max height line higher on Technomics?! Photo proof here.
I bought this one out of a place in Iowa. Rivendell must have a lot of clout to have NITTO move that line on all Technomic Standards sold worldwide. I want my centimenter back. Ha ha! Just kidding. The extra cm is for safety (keeps more shaft down into steerer)? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Vzl7vjrq5nEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Front rack for A. Homer Hilsen
On Oct 7, 2012 12:29 AM, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking for a front rack for my AHH to support a handlebar bag. Unfortunately, the VO rack that I've got has struts that are much too short to reach the eyelets on the fork blades. It looks like a Mark's Rack would reach, but that one doesn't seem to have any provision for mounting a headlight. Does anyone here know of a front rack that just fits? In case it matters, it's a 58cm (650B) frame. Marks' rack has a plate on the very front that you can mount a cyo light to easily. You can sort of see it in this picture http://www.flickr.com/photos/skvidal/7229239372/ -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!
Thanks Lyleonly wish I had known some of what I know now, back then. On Sunday, October 7, 2012 2:20:49 AM UTC-7, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com wrote: One may look good on the outside and still have a heart attack at 57 due to a lifetime of poor diet choices and more likely the natural skinny guy is the one that has the heart attack and the fat guy lives to be 85. What am I trying to say? Its not just what you see on the outside and it may be a false confidence if someone is young and in shape to believe that they are living healthy and will always be in shape +1 Charlie! Many of the patients I treat fall into this skinny-fat category and they always seem amazed to learn there's more to being healthy than having low bodyweight. Cheers! lyle -- lyle f bogart dpt 156 bradford rd wiscasset, me 04578 207.882.6494 206.794.6937 On 7 October 2012 04:14, charlie cl_...@hotmail.com javascript: wrote: One may look good on the outside and still have a heart attack at 57 due to a lifetime of poor diet choices. Its not just about being lean although losing body fat is part of the reason I am eating a low carb Primal/Paleo way.eating primarily meat,eggs, leafy greens and other actual vegetables (no, corn is not a vegetable) berries, nuts and some fruit has allowed me to lose 30 pounds with a very low level of exercise compared to most people. I know my blood sugar is more stable when I eat this way and I feel better doing so. When I was younger.(20's to 30's) I had no trouble keeping my weight down and I was a full 70 pounds lighter at 30 years of age than I am at 54. The fat came from eating excessive carbohydrates like pasta, cookies, beer, pizza, baked goods, ice cream etc. etc. plus stress and lack of sleep and a reduction in exercise until about age 42 when I tried riding my fat off without a diet change and never lost a pound until I tried the Atkins approach but soon stopped that on poor advice from supposed professionals.ten years later, I tried it again eating exactly the same as I did earlier and lost fat effortlessly.I might add that we eat plenty of veggies too (not just meat) as some might think. I do believe some are genetically predisposed to being lean no matter what they eat but that doesn't mean their diet choices are healthy or that they will always be lean. Often as those natural lean folks age they develop a pot belly and their arteries clog just like the big fat guys does.heck statistically its more likely the natural skinny guy is the one that has the heart attack and the fat guy lives to be 85. What am I trying to say? Its not just what you see on the outside and it may be a false confidence if someone is young and in shape to believe that they are living healthy and will always be in shape. Here a photo of me at about 29 to prove my point. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2407446671790set=a.2545020671054.2143016.1419870581type=3theater On Saturday, October 6, 2012 3:57:04 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: It must be like pedaling in circles -- people are very different. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Marc Schwartz msch...@nmsu.edu wrote: Beer, bread, pasta, and sweeties make Marc look like Jabba the Hut. That's just me, not bein' pedantic here. Marc __**__ From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com [rbw-owne...@**googlegroups.com] on behalf of PATRICK MOORE [bert...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 3:08 PM To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com Subject: Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again! I can't cite evidence except long-term and widespread custom, but while it may well be true that effective insulin regulation is the -- or *a* -- key to good metabolism, I can't help but think that 10,000 years of agriculture -- ie, grains -- can't help but be natural to the human body (dig the double whatchamacallit negative). 10K years is pretty primal. And more, the Hopi, Chinese, Japanese and Indians didn't start getting fat and diabetic until they began to wean themselves from the rice, maize or wheat that formerly made up most of their diet. OTOH, I've seen no evidence that the traditional Inuit or the Masai suffered from obesity, diabetes, heart trouble or lack of energy because they ate mostly proteins and fats. Sure, traditional people also exercised more than modern couch potatoes, but then the Primal argument says that exercise won't keep it off if you eat carbs. The Italians and French are not noted for statistical excesses of obesity and diabetes and heart disease. Me, I eat my grandmother's primal diet that includes six packs, good bread, pasta as well as vegetables, dairy, wine, and red meat. And I'm 200% fit! As with cycling rules, I prefer to remain a skeptic for one-size-fits-all, while being wholly willing to accept that Primal may work for some people. Well, my
[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Suggestions?
I haven't touched a 176 but I seem to remember that it has a slightly more sloping ramp to it than the Noodle, and it doesn't have the backwards curve to the flats. The 115 is similar, I've used it and found it to have too much reach and drop for me, except on bikes with a super short top tube. It does have roomy ramps and flats so there's plenty of hand positions on top of the bar. On Thursday, October 4, 2012 6:02:05 PM UTC-7, tragicallyaverage wrote: Thanks. I'm considering the Nitto 176 - can't quite tell from photos of it - is the angle between the ramps and drops the same as the Noodle? I'm also considering the Nitto B115. Anyone used that one? On Monday, October 1, 2012 11:27:18 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Till wrote: The normal Nitto choices (Noodle, 176 Dream, Marks, Rando, etc.) and the similar (in shape, not saying anything about quality) Compass/Grand Bois and Velo Orange options are the broad range of go-to choices around here, and a lot of people like their classic looks and roomy curves. However, the flip side of flat ramps and roomy curves is that these bars often have a lot of reach and sometimes drop, so if you feel like these might stretch you out too far with your preferred cockpit length (TT length and stem), there's tons of good options in the short reach and drop department. The tradeoff is tighter ergo curves on the bars which may or may not jive with your aesthetic sensibilities. The aforementioned Salsa Bell Lap and Cowbell fit into this category, and both feature drops which are slightly flared. Other short bars include the Salsa Pro Road, the Soma Hwy 1 (available in silver with a 26.0mm clamp diameter), and a number of Nitto designs not sold by Rivendell. Check out the Soma online store, which is the retail outlet for Nitto importers Merry Sales (any LBS with a Merry Sales account can also order most of these bars): http://store.somafab.com/nittoroadbars.html If you want to try the short and shallow thing without investing in nice new bars and can work with a 31.8mm clamp for a while, a lot of LBS's that sell contemporary road bikes will often have a take-off bin of stock drop bars from current road bikes, from when they are swapped out by customers for a different design. I'm running a pair of Felt-branded generic drop bars at the moment and they've convinced me that I prefer shorter reach bars. Maybe i'll buy something nicer sometime soon. I'm leaving out full-on flared drop bars like the On-One Midge, Salsa Woodchipper, Origin8 Gary V1, Nitto RM-014 and older WTB designs, since in my mind these are a distinct category of bars requiring a completely different cockpit geometry from normal road drop bars to be set up comfortably. On Thursday, September 27, 2012 4:10:59 PM UTC-7, tragicallyaverage wrote: Building up a bike and it needs some new drops. Any suggestions? What do you ride? I know Noodles of course, and I've tried them in 3 different widths and for some reason they don't hit home for me. If you had to put a drop bar other than a Noodle on your Riv/Riv-ish bike, what would it be? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/DSBbyoBSycEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!
Too much of anything is bad for you. Too many carbs, too much fat, too much protein, too much water, too much alcohol, too much exercise, too much laziness, too much stress, etc. Humans are omnivorous in many ways and can thrive in an amazing variety of situations. Moderation in all things, including moderation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What size Hunq
Here it is, saddle height is about 82 cm. http://www.flickr.com/photos/58723422@N02/7236063988/ On Monday, October 1, 2012 10:14:37 PM UTC-5, John Johnson wrote: Thx Doug. Can you post a pic of your bike? On Monday, October 1, 2012 11:02:38 PM UTC-4, Doug Magney wrote: My PBH is somewhere between 91.5 and 92. My 62 Hunq has a mid TT height of 90 cm with 700 x 47 Schwalbe Marathons. I debated whether to go with a 58 or a 62, like you are. Very glad I went bigger. Don't forget that PBH is measured in bare feet and you ride with some kind of shoes on, usually adding about 2.5 cm to your available TT clearance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/4zydkOIumb4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Front rack for A. Homer Hilsen
I've mounted a BM dynamo headlight on my Mark's Rack using a bracket that is available from Boulder Bicycle (aka Rene Herse). This is the same bracket that is used on the Boulder Bicycle randonneur bike. Here's a photo showing the bracket on a Boulder Bicycle randonneur: http://www.csrichards.com/allroad/content/IMG_3358_large.html This bracket is shown here, as it's mounted on my Rivendell Road Standard: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/5326175546/sizes/l/in/set-72157619758078965/ I used a Nitto rack nut and bolt (available from Rivbike: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rh1-20184.htm ) to attach the bracket to the strut of the Mark's Rack. I like this mounting since it really permits a very considerable amount of adjustment for light placement. It's also very stable, the light bracket from Boulder Bicycle is quite sturdy. Since I put my Mark's Rack and light bracket together, I see that Mike Kone actually offers the same set-up on his website: http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-686/Nitto-M18-Rack-for/Detail Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Oct 6, 9:29 pm, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking for a front rack for my AHH to support a handlebar bag. Unfortunately, the VO rack that I've got has struts that are much too short to reach the eyelets on the fork blades. It looks like a Mark's Rack would reach, but that one doesn't seem to have any provision for mounting a headlight. Does anyone here know of a front rack that just fits? In case it matters, it's a 58cm (650B) frame. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Front rack for A. Homer Hilsen
Nice idea, Jim! Hope you don't mind that I am going to steal that one for an upcoming Hilsen build. I have an M-18 rack and was looking for ideas on mounting the light. David Charlotte, NC On Sunday, October 7, 2012 12:54:28 PM UTC-4, Jim Cloud wrote: I've mounted a BM dynamo headlight on my Mark's Rack using a bracket that is available from Boulder Bicycle (aka Rene Herse). This is the same bracket that is used on the Boulder Bicycle randonneur bike. Here's a photo showing the bracket on a Boulder Bicycle randonneur: http://www.csrichards.com/allroad/content/IMG_3358_large.html This bracket is shown here, as it's mounted on my Rivendell Road Standard: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/5326175546/sizes/l/in/set-72157619758078965/ I used a Nitto rack nut and bolt (available from Rivbike: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rh1-20184.htm ) to attach the bracket to the strut of the Mark's Rack. I like this mounting since it really permits a very considerable amount of adjustment for light placement. It's also very stable, the light bracket from Boulder Bicycle is quite sturdy. Since I put my Mark's Rack and light bracket together, I see that Mike Kone actually offers the same set-up on his website: http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-686/Nitto-M18-Rack-for/Detail Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Oct 6, 9:29 pm, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking for a front rack for my AHH to support a handlebar bag. Unfortunately, the VO rack that I've got has struts that are much too short to reach the eyelets on the fork blades. It looks like a Mark's Rack would reach, but that one doesn't seem to have any provision for mounting a headlight. Does anyone here know of a front rack that just fits? In case it matters, it's a 58cm (650B) frame. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/SOm9ZahWy0sJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Any update on the new low riders?
Recall a while back Riv posted photos of the prototype of a new low rider rack that was a separate piece for each side, nice clean look to it. Haven't heard anything further, Christmas is on the horizon. Have any of you who regularly visit RBWHQ seen anything exciting? dougP -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Front rack for A. Homer Hilsen
David, I obviously don't might anyone using the idea. I'm wondering if Mike Kone at Boulder Bicycles didn't actually come across my Flickr photostream before he offered the set-up. He certainly didn't have it available when I started my effort to mount a headlight on my Mark's Rack. At the time, Boulder Bicycle had made the light bracket only as custom item for use on the Nitto M12 rack that he was using on the Boulder Rando bikes. Maybe we just both arrived at the same solution to a problem! Be aware that the light bracket is designed to accommodate an Edelux or Cyo headlight. Depending on the headlight that you choose to use, you might have to do some judicious filing on the bracket to fit it to another light. This is what I did to fit my BM headlight. It was no big deal, but I did have to file the contour of the bracket end to fit the recess of a BM headlight. It was quite easy to do. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Oct 7, 10:13 am, David Spranger daspran...@gmail.com wrote: Nice idea, Jim! Hope you don't mind that I am going to steal that one for an upcoming Hilsen build. I have an M-18 rack and was looking for ideas on mounting the light. David Charlotte, NC On Sunday, October 7, 2012 12:54:28 PM UTC-4, Jim Cloud wrote: I've mounted a BM dynamo headlight on my Mark's Rack using a bracket that is available from Boulder Bicycle (aka Rene Herse). This is the same bracket that is used on the Boulder Bicycle randonneur bike. Here's a photo showing the bracket on a Boulder Bicycle randonneur: http://www.csrichards.com/allroad/content/IMG_3358_large.html This bracket is shown here, as it's mounted on my Rivendell Road Standard: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/5326175546/sizes/l/in/set-7... I used a Nitto rack nut and bolt (available from Rivbike: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rh1-20184.htm) to attach the bracket to the strut of the Mark's Rack. I like this mounting since it really permits a very considerable amount of adjustment for light placement. It's also very stable, the light bracket from Boulder Bicycle is quite sturdy. Since I put my Mark's Rack and light bracket together, I see that Mike Kone actually offers the same set-up on his website: http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-686/Nitto-M18-Rack-for/Detail Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Oct 6, 9:29 pm, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking for a front rack for my AHH to support a handlebar bag. Unfortunately, the VO rack that I've got has struts that are much too short to reach the eyelets on the fork blades. It looks like a Mark's Rack would reach, but that one doesn't seem to have any provision for mounting a headlight. Does anyone here know of a front rack that just fits? In case it matters, it's a 58cm (650B) frame. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?
On Oct 6, 2012, at 8:45 PM, rw1911 wrote: Can anyone comment with their real-world experience using both (all three) bars? My experience is that the shallower drop bars are really uncomfortable to ride in the drops. I have big hands (and long arms at 6'3 or 6'4) and they get sort of pinched in the curve, resulting in numbness and pain. IMHO if a reasonably deep drop (150 mm- the old Cinellis were 160 mm IIRC) is uncomfortably low when riding in the hooks, then your handlebar is too low to begin with. You should be able to ride for an hour at a time comfortably in the drops. Of course, the modern trend is to set the bars to be pretty aero when riding on the hoods- this has been the case especially since Ergo and STI were introduced because the big hoods are so much more comfortable than the old non-aero hoods were. But that makes even a shallow drop pretty low once you get down into the drops. I think that's why we're seeing such short drop bars and ergo bends to reduce the hand pinching. The last comfortable bar for me was the 46 cm Nitto 175, of which I have only three or four left and I have read that no more are being made. Being a big guy I found the Randonneurs too narrow at the hoods, but my wife (5'10) loves them. I think they are her favorite bars. They have a certain classic look to them, too. Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Front rack for A. Homer Hilsen
Won't help with the light bracket, but with an M-18, you can use long Nitto stays and cut them to whatever length you need. On my old Raleigh, I reached down to grab the dropouts, and still cut a couple of inches from the stays. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rh1-20077.htm http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/aP9180007_zps7ce452ee-1.jpg On Saturday, October 6, 2012 11:29:31 PM UTC-5, Michael Richters wrote: I'm looking for a front rack for my AHH to support a handlebar bag. Unfortunately, the VO rack that I've got has struts that are much too short to reach the eyelets on the fork blades. It looks like a Mark's Rack would reach, but that one doesn't seem to have any provision for mounting a headlight. Does anyone here know of a front rack that just fits? In case it matters, it's a 58cm (650B) frame. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/IO2BM6cMzHMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?
This must depend on your hand size because I find shallow drop bars very comfortable, as I've said many times about the Maes Parallel design (125 mm drop). Segwaying: I am amazed when I see the specs for some modern bars with drops that are like mail slots. I've not tried such bars, though. On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: My experience is that the shallower drop bars are really uncomfortable to ride in the drops. I have big hands (and long arms at 6'3 or 6'4) and they get sort of pinched in the curve, resulting in numbness and pain. -- Believe nothing until it has been officially denied. -- Claude Cockburn - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?
On Sun, 2012-10-07 at 12:41 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: This must depend on your hand size because I find shallow drop bars very comfortable, as I've said many times about the Maes Parallel design (125 mm drop). Sure. If you have a medium to large hand, there isn't the room for a fist in the hook of a shallow drop bar. If you have small hands, it's a different story. Also, it depends on how you use your bars. Segwaying: I am amazed when I see the specs for some modern bars with drops that are like mail slots. I've not tried such bars, though. Many modern users never seem to stray much from the hoods -- which, to be fair, are far larger in height and diameter than traditional brake levers -- and never ever ride in the drops or near the bar ends. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?
Medium? My hands are medium. On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Sure. If you have a medium to large hand, there isn't the room for a fist in the hook of a shallow drop bar. If you have small hands, it's a different story. Also, it depends on how you use your bars. -- Vote early, vote often, vote Rhinoceros! *http://tinyurl.com/d7muj2t* - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?
I'm sure you're right. I am a moose with big mitts. Given the decreasing availability of deep drop bars and the almost universal prevalence of shallow drop bars, I suspect that the majority of folks find them to be fine. On Oct 7, 2012, at 1:41 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: This must depend on your hand size because I find shallow drop bars very comfortable, as I've said many times about the Maes Parallel design (125 mm drop). Segwaying: I am amazed when I see the specs for some modern bars with drops that are like mail slots. I've not tried such bars, though. On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: My experience is that the shallower drop bars are really uncomfortable to ride in the drops. I have big hands (and long arms at 6'3 or 6'4) and they get sort of pinched in the curve, resulting in numbness and pain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?
On Oct 7, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Sun, 2012-10-07 at 12:41 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: This must depend on your hand size because I find shallow drop bars very comfortable, as I've said many times about the Maes Parallel design (125 mm drop). Sure. If you have a medium to large hand, there isn't the room for a fist in the hook of a shallow drop bar. If you have small hands, it's a different story. Also, it depends on how you use your bars. Segwaying: I am amazed when I see the specs for some modern bars with drops that are like mail slots. I've not tried such bars, though. Many modern users never seem to stray much from the hoods -- which, to be fair, are far larger in height and diameter than traditional brake levers -- and never ever ride in the drops or near the bar ends. That's my observation- and my own experience- too. There are many rides that I never get down into the drops. For that matter, there are many bikes rides I don't shift gears in 40 miles. Much of the terrain around here doesn't require it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?
I don't think you can generalize that big hands will like big drop bars, and that anybody who isn't comfortable in deep drops isn't fit right. I'm a big guy (6'3) with big hands, and I like the contemporary short and shallow bars. In my experience, bars are like saddles--an intensely personal choice that can vary even between folks of similar body type. On Sunday, October 7, 2012 12:33:49 PM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote: I'm sure you're right. I am a moose with big mitts. Given the decreasing availability of deep drop bars and the almost universal prevalence of shallow drop bars, I suspect that the majority of folks find them to be fine. On Oct 7, 2012, at 1:41 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: This must depend on your hand size because I find shallow drop bars very comfortable, as I've said many times about the Maes Parallel design (125 mm drop). Segwaying: I am amazed when I see the specs for some modern bars with drops that are like mail slots. I've not tried such bars, though. On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.netjavascript: wrote: My experience is that the shallower drop bars are really uncomfortable to ride in the drops. I have big hands (and long arms at 6'3 or 6'4) and they get sort of pinched in the curve, resulting in numbness and pain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/TJsTpyq_KFkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?
I've had both Noodles (42 cm) and 135 Rando's for many years. Be aware that the width of the 135's is measured at the ends of the drops. They measure 38 cm at the brake levers. My Noodles are 42 at the levers, 43 at the drops. If you like the 46 Noodles, you'll likely find the Rando's way too narrow. That said, the 135's ramps and drops are both very comfortable. I think they are at their best when set high enough that the drops are viable for long distance cruising and short, sharp climbs. I have the Rando's on my commuter, and find the narrow hoods to be fine, but I find anything over a 42 cm drop bar to be too wide. If you want to try a bar with a bit more flare, consider the Salsa Cowbell. It only comes in 31.8 mm and black, but It has a very nice flare to the drops. Bill On Saturday, October 6, 2012 6:45:36 PM UTC-7, rw1911 wrote: Somewhat related, but without hijacking the below Drop Bar Suggestions thread... I have 46cm Noodles on two bikes. I like them fine but wonder if there is something to the flaring on the Randonneur. (hand position(s) and long ride comfort) If you stand relaxed with your eyes closed and place your arms in front of you, you'll notice that your hands are angled in a bit. (at least mine are) With this, it would seem that the flaring of the Randonneur would provide a more natural hand position. I wonder if this is true in real life? B-177 Noddle (46, 26.0) reach of 95 mm C-C and drop of 140 mm C-C B-135 Rando (45, 25.4) reach of 105 mm C-C and a drop of 120 mm C-C B-136 Rando (44, 26.0) reach of 110 mm C-C and a drop of 125 C-C. While 1 cm narrower than the B-135, the specs I'm looking at show that the hoods would be 1 cm wider than the B-135, indicating more flare? Can anyone comment with their real-world experience using both (all three) bars? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/jQuciARJMzgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any update on the new low riders?
Like Doug, I remember seeing a RivBlug segment a while back that concerned the low-rider racks they were working on. I agree with him, if anyone is visiting RBWHQ, an update on the development would be desirable. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Sunday, October 7, 2012 10:27:03 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Recall a while back Riv posted photos of the prototype of a new low rider rack that was a separate piece for each side, nice clean look to it. Haven't heard anything further, Christmas is on the horizon. Have any of you who regularly visit RBWHQ seen anything exciting? dougP -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/IWcpXG460DoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] GAP Ride Semi Report
I just got back from the CO and Allegheny Ride between DC and Pittsburgh. It turned out great with rain and a 10 person contingent of great people. Seven from St Louis and three from Detroit. 2 Bombadils and 2 Atlantis's in the group. List members that road were Amit, Tom, and I. Amit and Tom made the entire ride while I caught the flue and bailed with 70ish miles to go. (expensive but damn I was dead in my tracks) Doesn't matter, the trip for me couldn't have been better. Even finding a way back to the car was an adventure.We also lost Amits brother to a knee injury suffered from a fall. it was a pleasure and I'm grateful to have met and rode with Amit, Sumeet, and Tom D out of Detroit. They added an extra dimension to the ride and were fast friends to all from St Louis. We were greeted upon our arrival in DC by Michael R on his A Homer HIlsen. Great guy and enjoyed spending part of the day with him. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8064271265/in/set-72157631715248107 it felt special to be a part of such a great group of people and to share it with my wife. So with no further ado, here are the bike porn photos. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157631715248107/with/8064271265/ Enjoy Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ua4OE8sd_o8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Front rack for A. Homer Hilsen
Thanks, Jim! Mobile Brian Hanson On Oct 7, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I've mounted a BM dynamo headlight on my Mark's Rack using a bracket that is available from Boulder Bicycle (aka Rene Herse). This is the same bracket that is used on the Boulder Bicycle randonneur bike. Here's a photo showing the bracket on a Boulder Bicycle randonneur: http://www.csrichards.com/allroad/content/IMG_3358_large.html This bracket is shown here, as it's mounted on my Rivendell Road Standard: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/5326175546/sizes/l/in/set-72157619758078965/ I used a Nitto rack nut and bolt (available from Rivbike: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rh1-20184.htm ) to attach the bracket to the strut of the Mark's Rack. I like this mounting since it really permits a very considerable amount of adjustment for light placement. It's also very stable, the light bracket from Boulder Bicycle is quite sturdy. Since I put my Mark's Rack and light bracket together, I see that Mike Kone actually offers the same set-up on his website: http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-686/Nitto-M18-Rack-for/Detail Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Oct 6, 9:29 pm, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking for a front rack for my AHH to support a handlebar bag. Unfortunately, the VO rack that I've got has struts that are much too short to reach the eyelets on the fork blades. It looks like a Mark's Rack would reach, but that one doesn't seem to have any provision for mounting a headlight. Does anyone here know of a front rack that just fits? In case it matters, it's a 58cm (650B) frame. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?
I have tried Noodles in 46 and 42, Rando 45cm B135, and a B115 that was 38 or 39. I have small hands and my shoulders are about 46cm (according to my daughter's measurement). I found the following: 1. I felt the ramps interfered/bumped my forearms when I was in the drops of the 46's. 2. The Randos fit better, but I couldn't use the top flats as they turned my arms too inward. 3. The B115s were nice - did a 200k with no discomfort - but they are from an older Soma eighties road bike and were a bit scuffed, so the trust wasn't there. 4. Replaced them with 42 Noodles. So far they are great. I like a deep drop as I only use it when I have a headwind. In those cases , the lower the better. I also tried a Gary dirt-drop style bar briefly, but it was too wide, and the drops were too angled for me. Mobile Brian Hanson On Oct 7, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: I've had both Noodles (42 cm) and 135 Rando's for many years. Be aware that the width of the 135's is measured at the ends of the drops. They measure 38 cm at the brake levers. My Noodles are 42 at the levers, 43 at the drops. If you like the 46 Noodles, you'll likely find the Rando's way too narrow. That said, the 135's ramps and drops are both very comfortable. I think they are at their best when set high enough that the drops are viable for long distance cruising and short, sharp climbs. I have the Rando's on my commuter, and find the narrow hoods to be fine, but I find anything over a 42 cm drop bar to be too wide. If you want to try a bar with a bit more flare, consider the Salsa Cowbell. It only comes in 31.8 mm and black, but It has a very nice flare to the drops. Bill On Saturday, October 6, 2012 6:45:36 PM UTC-7, rw1911 wrote: Somewhat related, but without hijacking the below Drop Bar Suggestions thread... I have 46cm Noodles on two bikes. I like them fine but wonder if there is something to the flaring on the Randonneur. (hand position(s) and long ride comfort) If you stand relaxed with your eyes closed and place your arms in front of you, you'll notice that your hands are angled in a bit. (at least mine are) With this, it would seem that the flaring of the Randonneur would provide a more natural hand position. I wonder if this is true in real life? B-177 Noddle (46, 26.0) reach of 95 mm C-C and drop of 140 mm C-C B-135 Rando (45, 25.4) reach of 105 mm C-C and a drop of 120 mm C-C B-136 Rando (44, 26.0) reach of 110 mm C-C and a drop of 125 C-C. While 1 cm narrower than the B-135, the specs I'm looking at show that the hoods would be 1 cm wider than the B-135, indicating more flare? Can anyone comment with their real-world experience using both (all three) bars? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/jQuciARJMzgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] GAP Ride Semi Report
Cool. Thank you for that. I'm a sucker for bikes like this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8064274885/in/set-72157631715248107 -Original Message- From: KellySent: Oct 7, 2012 4:20 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] GAP Ride Semi Report I just got back from the CO and Allegheny Ride between DC and Pittsburgh. It turned out great with rain and a 10 person contingent of great people. Seven from St Louis and three from Detroit. 2 Bombadils and 2 Atlantis's in the group. List members that road were Amit, Tom, and I. Amit and Tom made the entire ride while I caught the flue and bailed with 70ish miles to go. (expensive but damn I was dead in my tracks) Doesn't matter, the trip for me couldn't have been better. Even finding a way back to the car was an adventure. We also lost Amits brother to a knee injury suffered from a fall. it was a pleasure and I'm grateful to have met and rode with Amit, Sumeet, and Tom D out of Detroit. They added an extra dimension to the ride and were fast friends to all from St Louis. We were greeted upon our arrival in DC by Michael R on his A Homer HIlsen. Great guy and enjoyed spending part of the day with him. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8064271265/in/set-72157631715248107 it felt special to be a part of such a great group of people and to share it with my wife. So with no further ado, here are the bike porn photos. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157631715248107/with/8064271265/ Enjoy Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ua4OE8sd_o8J.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] GAP Ride Semi Report
Looks like a great trip, Kelly. Sorry to hear you got sick! You guys were decked out! It really shows the touring versatility of different Rivendell models. Any comments on the Atlantis vs. Bombadil load carrying heard while riding? I hope to load up the Hunqapillar like that one of these days. Mobile Brian Hanson On Oct 7, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: I just got back from the CO and Allegheny Ride between DC and Pittsburgh. It turned out great with rain and a 10 person contingent of great people. Seven from St Louis and three from Detroit. 2 Bombadils and 2 Atlantis's in the group. List members that road were Amit, Tom, and I. Amit and Tom made the entire ride while I caught the flue and bailed with 70ish miles to go. (expensive but damn I was dead in my tracks) Doesn't matter, the trip for me couldn't have been better. Even finding a way back to the car was an adventure.We also lost Amits brother to a knee injury suffered from a fall. it was a pleasure and I'm grateful to have met and rode with Amit, Sumeet, and Tom D out of Detroit. They added an extra dimension to the ride and were fast friends to all from St Louis. We were greeted upon our arrival in DC by Michael R on his A Homer HIlsen. Great guy and enjoyed spending part of the day with him. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8064271265/in/set-72157631715248107 it felt special to be a part of such a great group of people and to share it with my wife. So with no further ado, here are the bike porn photos. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157631715248107/with/8064271265/ Enjoy Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ua4OE8sd_o8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: GAP Ride Semi Report
Thanks for the report and great shots. That is a major bummer, getting sick. Hope you are feeling much better. I hope Amit's brother didn;t get hurt too badly, and will be ok soon. How long is the trip? Did you camp at campgrounds along the way? Looks like a lot of fun!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/u9GYiNIXybkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] GAP Ride Semi Report
Brian I have a 64 Bombadil and my wife has a 61 Atlantis. Only difference I can tell is that the Bombadil has room for larger tires and a mid fork braze on for lowrider racks. However we came up with a bracket for low riders that didn't require the additional braze on so all is good. She ran 700x40's and I ran 700x50's. we were both very comfortable and stable. As were the other riders on a wide range of bikes and tire sizes. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/yPPTeedoSqcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: GAP Ride Semi Report
That is a major bummer, getting sick. It was it's own adventure getting back to the car. Fun in its on I hope Amit's brother didn;t get hurt too badly, and will be ok soon. I heard Sumeet was home and doing fine. How long is the trip? Did you camp at campgrounds along the way? Looks like a lot of fun!! Arrive Friday night, shuttle to dc on Saturday and start riding .. Finish on Friday. Had a buffer day added in but we didn't need it so we were home Saturday instead of Sunday. So 7 days riding and 2 days travel. Yes we camped along the route accept for a motel stay in Cumberland. It was a great way to spend vacation!! Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/OViX0iweHQkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!
Kind of agree and kind of don't...(for some) trying to lose fat, moderation amounts to no progress. For those people it takes absolute vigilance and resolve without any wavering to lose fat and maintain their effort. Compromise just doesn't end well ultimately. Maybe for the average person that idea is okay..I'll give ya that. For someone on the edge of diabetes, compromise will put them over the edge into the abyss of insulin injections and a decline in the quality of life. On Sunday, October 7, 2012 9:02:23 AM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote: Too much of anything is bad for you. Too many carbs, too much fat, too much protein, too much water, too much alcohol, too much exercise, too much laziness, too much stress, etc. Humans are omnivorous in many ways and can thrive in an amazing variety of situations. Moderation in all things, including moderation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/WdkkQyxAbJEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] that nice bike comment
So we're toodling down our local bike path this afternoon when a guy on a side path, waiting for us to pass, comments nice bikes so of course I thank him. Moments later he cruises by with the comment I've got one of those at home. He's riding a nice lugged steel bike with an Acorn saddlebag but passes so quickly I can't read the name. Speeding up I eventually catch him to ask about the comment. Oh, I have an Atlantis and also a Hilsen. Turns out he's riding a Woodrup (???) or something close, an English bike sporting bolt on cable housing clamps, etc. He's aware of our SoCal Riv Riders Appreciation Society now that he knows we're for real may join us in the future. My wife was amazed: You mean he recognized our bikes as we rode by? It's like bird watching: if you know what you're looking at, it's easy to spot them. dougP -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Schwalbe Marathon Supreme update
Rivendell says they cost a lot, last forever don't get flats. 2 our 3 ain't bad (they do have a disclaimer on that). In May 2011, I installed a pair of 40 mm Marathon Supremes on my Atlantis. They were purchased used from a list member. Whatever use he put on them did not amount to much as I changed out the rear after over 7,500 miles ONE (count 'em!) flat. It wasn't totally worn out but the moment was right. The front has had zero flats looks good to go for another couple of thousand or so. In the meantime, I got a set of 45 mm Marathon Plus with Smart Guard from another list member. They have zero miles; they just didn't fit his fenders. One of those is on the rear now. Being a bit wider and about double the weight (1,070 grams of steel ruibber), I don't expect to have any further comment until perhaps 2014. When you think about the cost per mile and the flat resistance, Riv's statements are pretty much on target. dougP -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: that nice bike comment
On Sunday, October 7, 2012 8:00:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: if you know what you're looking at, it's easy to spot them. Had that happen to me a couple weeks ago. I'm on my commute home. Some guy who was behind me, but not all that long and so couldn't have been all that close speeds up enough to not quite pass, but to catch my peripheral vision as he makes an arcing turn to a side street. As I glance over at him he yells, hey, nice bike. I give him a big smile and nod, and hollar thanks back. They're fun bikes for sure. -Allan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/enmvUnuBG-sJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Front rack for A. Homer Hilsen
Hi Brian, I hope it's useful for you! Jim On Oct 7, 4:56 pm, Stonehog stone...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Jim! Mobile Brian Hanson On Oct 7, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I've mounted a BM dynamo headlight on my Mark's Rack using a bracket that is available from Boulder Bicycle (aka Rene Herse). This is the same bracket that is used on the Boulder Bicycle randonneur bike. Here's a photo showing the bracket on a Boulder Bicycle randonneur: http://www.csrichards.com/allroad/content/IMG_3358_large.html This bracket is shown here, as it's mounted on my Rivendell Road Standard: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/5326175546/sizes/l/in/set-7... I used a Nitto rack nut and bolt (available from Rivbike: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rh1-20184.htm) to attach the bracket to the strut of the Mark's Rack. I like this mounting since it really permits a very considerable amount of adjustment for light placement. It's also very stable, the light bracket from Boulder Bicycle is quite sturdy. Since I put my Mark's Rack and light bracket together, I see that Mike Kone actually offers the same set-up on his website: http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-686/Nitto-M18-Rack-for/Detail Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Oct 6, 9:29 pm, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking for a front rack for my AHH to support a handlebar bag. Unfortunately, the VO rack that I've got has struts that are much too short to reach the eyelets on the fork blades. It looks like a Mark's Rack would reach, but that one doesn't seem to have any provision for mounting a headlight. Does anyone here know of a front rack that just fits? In case it matters, it's a 58cm (650B) frame. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: that nice bike comment
you've led a sheltered life Doug, Woodrup's are very nice British made lugged steel bikes that have been made for over 50 years. http://www.woodrupcycles.com/frames.html I wish I saw more lugged steel bikes down here along the San Diego coast... almost everyone is on carbon fiber with tri bars. Oh. I see the occasional Surly, but Riv's are rarer than hen's teeth. ~mike Carlsbad Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/AxKV4PbdG4UJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?
Thanks all, very informative. After learning the differences in how the bars are measured, I think the Randos would be much too narrow for my taste. On Oct 7, 5:11 pm, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: I've had both Noodles (42 cm) and 135 Rando's for many years. Be aware that the width of the 135's is measured at the ends of the drops. They measure 38 cm at the brake levers. My Noodles are 42 at the levers, 43 at the drops. If you like the 46 Noodles, you'll likely find the Rando's way too narrow. That said, the 135's ramps and drops are both very comfortable. I think they are at their best when set high enough that the drops are viable for long distance cruising and short, sharp climbs. I have the Rando's on my commuter, and find the narrow hoods to be fine, but I find anything over a 42 cm drop bar to be too wide. If you want to try a bar with a bit more flare, consider the Salsa Cowbell. It only comes in 31.8 mm and black, but It has a very nice flare to the drops. Bill On Saturday, October 6, 2012 6:45:36 PM UTC-7, rw1911 wrote: Somewhat related, but without hijacking the below Drop Bar Suggestions thread... I have 46cm Noodles on two bikes. I like them fine but wonder if there is something to the flaring on the Randonneur. (hand position(s) and long ride comfort) If you stand relaxed with your eyes closed and place your arms in front of you, you'll notice that your hands are angled in a bit. (at least mine are) With this, it would seem that the flaring of the Randonneur would provide a more natural hand position. I wonder if this is true in real life? B-177 Noddle (46, 26.0) reach of 95 mm C-C and drop of 140 mm C-C B-135 Rando (45, 25.4) reach of 105 mm C-C and a drop of 120 mm C-C B-136 Rando (44, 26.0) reach of 110 mm C-C and a drop of 125 C-C. While 1 cm narrower than the B-135, the specs I'm looking at show that the hoods would be 1 cm wider than the B-135, indicating more flare? Can anyone comment with their real-world experience using both (all three) bars? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: that nice bike comment
Was at CicLAvia today in LA and most bikes were big-box dept store bikes, or 80's universal Japanese bikes. A generalization of course, but sort of seemed that way. One rider was pacing me and finally passed by saying he was just trying to get a good look at my bike. That was after I almost swerved into him of course. LOTS of bike baskets. Front and rear, male and female, everybody had baskets, which of course is cool. No fenders, but this is LA... I did see a gentleman riding a Rambouillet. I was a bit slow on the uptake and didn't get a pic, and he was too far away for me to start hollering Nice bike!!! But wow did that bike stand out. It was the orange one and it was just glowing it was so nice. A real fun day that I got to spend with 100,000 of my closest cycling friends: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157631717147223/with/8064939352/ Will need to spark up a SoCal Riv-Ride soon! On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: you've led a sheltered life Doug, Woodrup's are very nice British made lugged steel bikes that have been made for over 50 years. http://www.woodrupcycles.com/frames.html I wish I saw more lugged steel bikes down here along the San Diego coast... almost everyone is on carbon fiber with tri bars. Oh. I see the occasional Surly, but Riv's are rarer than hen's teeth. ~mike Carlsbad Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/AxKV4PbdG4UJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: That Diet and Exercise thing again!
What seems to work and make sense --- is that certain ethnicities have naturally more insulin-sensitivity (this can be overly simplified to resistance to getting fat and diabetes) than others. Africans and Native Americans, for instance, have a short history of carby eating (as little as 150 years in some cases), and that probably explains why they gain weight and become diabetic sooner than Iranians. Insulin sensitivity is also developed in the womb. If mom's insulin resistant, baby tends to be, too. As you age and eat a diet that requires a constant stream of insulin from your pancrease, WHATEVER insulin resistance you had at the beginning of life will decrease. What that insulin resistance IS for anybody is largely unknown without testing. The tests are available and cheap, but people don't do them (for the most part) until they're confirmed diabetics who have to do them or suffer. To test your glucose without being diabetic is to be regarded as a nut-job. Meanwhile we have naturally insulin-resistant people, skinny and all while following (for instance) a vegan diet and using their own success with that as proof that it works for others---without considering the wide range of insulin sensitivities in others. The comment about moderation working for some but not for others seems to be right on the money. You can't accumulate fat in the absence of insulin (Type 1 diabetics, who produce none of it, tend to be skinny, and only aren't skinny when they eat lots of carbs and have to inject lots of insulin to cover them). insulin literally prevents you from burning body fat as fuel. You cannot burn off your buttocks riding tons of miles if you eat carbs to fuel your riding, which is why there are so many relatively heavy megamilers. OF COURSE, one must do what works for one, but the reality seems to be that over time your insulin sensitivity decreases (you become more insulin-resistant, more closer-to-diabetic), and if your carb intake doesn't decrease commensurately, you will get fatter as you age. This may be good news or bad news, but these ideas here are not chock full of nonsense. On Saturday, October 6, 2012 1:06:03 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote: This may be stretching the boundaries of the list mission, but we have entertained a long discussion around Why We Get Fat, and if memory serves me right, GP published an article in the Reader, which challenged the wisdom of extreme forms of exercise, like the Iron Man competition. So... I recently stumbled across a web site, http://www.marksdailyapple.com/#axzz28QX0hvFJ while looking for some health info. The author has a whole thing going under the rubric of the Primal Blueprint. While his starting point seemed debatable the conclusions he comes to both about diet and exercise sound practical and congruent with the diet and exercise recommendations from Rivendell. And they build on them. They seem pretty practical, especially around exercise, to someone (moi) who is 68 years old, allergic to training, but still hoping to maintain an active life for as long as possible. Have others on this list looked into this program more deeply, or tried it out. What did you find, and what do you think? Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/NpQUiQLkCxEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.