[RBW] Re: A SimpleOne ramble

2013-10-09 Thread Deacon Patrick
Great colors, Eric! Looks like a fun ride. I can't imagine anything that 
flat! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 6:44:55 PM UTC-6, EricP wrote:

 Okay, this is not as epic as Tony's ride, but since I've had a bit of 
 extra time off, decided to head a bit north of the Twin Cities on Monday 
 and ride part of the Willard Munger bike trail.  As it is mostly flat, 
 decided to ride the SimpleOne.  Ended up with 68 miles on the day.  Both my 
 longest ride of the year and also the longest ride on the SimpleOne so far. 
  

 The bike was the right tool for this job.  Did forget about the one 
 re-route from the old railroad grade.  Only about a mile and a half, but 
 basically all up and down.  Was okay heading north, but on the way back 
 ended up using the two foot gear for one section where I couldn't carry 
 momentum.  Of course, it was at that point where Dave Siskind went flying 
 past me heading north.  By the time it dawned on me who it was, he was 
 gone, so can't say whether he was on his custom Rivendell or not.  Pretty 
 sure he didn't recognize me.

 Pics to prove I was there: 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14126468@N05/sets/72157636323895894/

 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN
  

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[RBW] Re: First Century!

2013-10-09 Thread doc
I have found that the thicker the padding, the more moisture gets absorbed, 
and the worse the effect on long rides.  I cut out the liners of all my 
shorts and now wear them with Andiamo skins.  I also use Boudreax's Butt 
Paste on longer rides with pretty good results as both a lube and for 
moisture protection.
The other consideration, and I'm only speaking from my own experience, is 
that your contact area may not have been toughened up enough for such a 
drastic increase in mileage.
I have an SA also, and it's not quite as comfortable as my Champion Flyer 
on my roadish bike, and downright uncomfortable on my upright tourer.  It 
was one of the early ones, and it has stretched considerably.  I guess I'm 
saying that I wouldn't give up on it just yet.  My next bike will be an 
adventurer tourer, and I think I'll use the SA for that.
 

On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 3:12:37 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:

  Thanks everyone!
  
 CC - I've definitely thought about the SAA saddle being new-to-me.  I did 
 two 25 mile rides and about a month of off and on commuting in addition to 
 this century so it's not a complete 'new' unit.  But my B67 took that much 
 and more before it became comfortable.  The reason I'm ready to pull the 
 plug on the SAA is that reportedly the advantage on them is there isn't a 
 break in period, they aren't supposed to change much.  And it seems like my 
 sit bones are just plain wider than the saddle at that point.
  
 Doc - I was in the same pair of shorts with a padded chamois type liner 
 for the whole ride.  You bring up a good point, it wasn't a particularly 
 hot and sweaty day but changing might have made a difference. I wasn't 
 using any other lubricant's either... I'm not to fond of that idea to be 
 honest.  I think I'd like to try and find an all-day comfort saddle that 
 doesn't require that.  Maybe that is too optimisitic though.  A second pair 
 of shorts is a great idea though.  Thanks!
  
 Tony
  


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[RBW] Re: A SimpleOne ramble

2013-10-09 Thread Bryan
That looks like a wonderful ride, Eric. Thanks for posting. There's nothing 
like getting out for a long ride on a single speed bike. 

I really miss the upper Midwest, especially this time of year!

Bryan 

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[RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

2013-10-09 Thread Bill Lindsay
I'm going to start playing around a little bit with centerpull brakes on at 
least one of my caliper brake equipped bikes.  I bought a pair of the 
snazzy Gran Compe 610s and the tiny optional front rack from Velo Orange. 
 They will be replacing Tektro R539 on my budget Roadeo.  

Riv Content:  I am no longer capable of taking a bike seriously if it 
doesn't have a front rack on it, thanks to Riv.  I'm obsessed with getting 
more clearance for fenders and chubby tires for safety, thanks to Riv.  

Anyway, can anyone share about changing straight from modern dual pivot 
caliper brakes to centerpulls and liking them better?  I'm interested to 
hear about it.  

FYI, that little rack is TINY.  Check it out next to the Nitto Mini Front:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_VLPdjewy14/UlWgn7eNviI/BcE/qhC1EaaqaHk/s1600/IMG_0520.JPG

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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

2013-10-09 Thread Patrick Moore
I've used center pulls, single pivots, and dual pivots, not to mention
cantis and vs, and haven't found centerpulls any better, or much worse,
than any of the others. No magic, IME. In fact, I found the old Dura Aces
(probably re-inscribed Tourneys) better than the Mafac Racers, but neither
as powerful as a good modern Nashbar single pivot; all with salmon pads. (I
had been running a Dura Ace cp on the front of the old Motobecane grocery
fixie, as the single brake, but I found that, with heavy loads and a steep
hill, the DA -- pulled by a modern Shimano aero lever -- would retard to a
point in the lever travel and then retard no further despite pulling
harder. The replacement dual pivot did retard more as you pulled further on
the lever.) Of course, on the one hand, the relative merits of the CPs
might have been due to hangars and housing; OTOH, the Nashbar SP stopped
better with the same housing and required no hangar.

I jumped on the front rack wagon for a brief while with an old TA rack of
which the VO is probably a copy. I had one on my errand Riv for a while to
supplement a rear rack, but it didn't really do me any good, since it was
big enough only to support a rack bag that was about the size of a Banana
Bag, and I preferred to have my front end unencumbered unless the
encumbrance could carry a more worthwhile load, whereas the rear rack
carried all that I needed beyond the large saddle wedge.

BTW, I have the early Ruthworks small bag-for small front rack available
for sale or trade if anyone is interested.


On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm going to start playing around a little bit with centerpull brakes on
 at least one of my caliper brake equipped bikes.  I bought a pair of the
 snazzy Gran Compe 610s and the tiny optional front rack from Velo Orange.
  They will be replacing Tektro R539 on my budget Roadeo.

 Riv Content:  I am no longer capable of taking a bike seriously if it
 doesn't have a front rack on it, thanks to Riv.  I'm obsessed with getting
 more clearance for fenders and chubby tires for safety, thanks to Riv.

 Anyway, can anyone share about changing straight from modern dual pivot
 caliper brakes to centerpulls and liking them better?  I'm interested to
 hear about it.

 FYI, that little rack is TINY.  Check it out next to the Nitto Mini Front:


 https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_VLPdjewy14/UlWgn7eNviI/BcE/qhC1EaaqaHk/s1600/IMG_0520.JPG

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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

2013-10-09 Thread Bill Lindsay
While I agree this rack is a TA copy, let me be clear.  I bought it from 
VO, but it's not a VO rack.  It is the Dia Compe Gran Compe ENE front rack. 
 When you Patrick were playing around with your front rack in 2011, a few 
listers here posted their pictures of this Grand Compe ENE rack broken at 
the tangs.  The thread is there for all to see in the archives.  The most 
efficient keyword to search on is the classic Patrick Mooresque: Innit, 
as in Innit the cutest little rack.  I'm going to use this rack to 
support my Loyal Designs Handlebar bag, with a decaleur.  




 

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Re: [RBW] Re: updated for sale listing 650b wheels etc.

2013-10-09 Thread Patrick Moore
Dylan: Are the hub and rim silver?

Little rim wear?

14/15 g butted spokes?

Can I see a closeup photo of the rim (showing a 3/4 view including the
label) to see if it matches the pair of Open Pros on the Ram? If it does, I
may be interested.

About the MA40 wheelset: if hub and rims are silver, and if the Mavic hub
takes shimano HG cogs, I might be interested in these, too. If they are
silver, can I see a photo?

Thanks.


On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 12:01 PM, dylan alverson
moderntimes3...@gmail.comwrote:

 kickstand
 saddlebag support
 soma tires
 brooks professional
 are sold
 I stil have a brooks b17 black with small copper rivets $70 shipped
 and everything else listed
 Thanks

 On Friday, October 4, 2013 5:30:24 PM UTC-5, dylan alverson wrote:

 1. *ESGE Pletscher Double Kickstand black * $35 shipped
 2. *650b rear wheel phil wood hi low 7 speed* for freewheel laced to
 weinman zac 19(note this rim seems to be a tad oversized and seats tires a
 little harder than others I have tried.  $100 shipped
 3 *brown vintage brooks professional* copper rivets $70 shipped
 4soma new xpress tires 650b 38mm $50 shipped very light use
 4* ortlieb handlebar bag* used once $45 shipped
 5 *phil wood fixed free 650b* wheel 32 hole velo orange diagonale rim
 $200 shipped
 6 *carradice bike bureau pannier briefcase *missing hardware used once
 $60 shipped
 7 *bagman expedition saddlebag *support $25 shipped
 8 *700c rear wheel 9 speed xtr hub laced to mavic open* pro 32 hole $75
 shipped
 9 w*heelset 7 speed mavic 550 rd hubs laced to mavic ma40 rims* 32 hole
 great shape $150 shipped

 I'll email photos if you are interested
 thanks
 Dylan

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[RBW] Re: St. Louis or KC -- trip ideas?

2013-10-09 Thread Kelly

If you choose St Louis you would be welcome to use our guest room.  Plenty of 
riding as we are centrally located.

I can be reached at 314-799-4743

Kelly


On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 4:47:35 PM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
 (crosspost to iBob)My gf and I are going on a trip next weekend (10/16-19).  
 Our plans in Chicago fell through (Hawkwind concert is postponed), so we're 
 opening up our options a bit.
 
 
 We live in Iowa and would rather go south than north, seeking warmer riding 
 weather, so St. Louis or KC could be decent options.  
 
 
 Trip aims:
 Bike around city to visit art museums, cultural district for shopping/live 
 music.
 Recreational rides in the country would be nice as well.
 Public trans bike friendly?
 Cheap lodging, so camping options?
 
 
 Does anyone live in STL or KC, or have visited?  Looking for advice.  I've 
 been to STL back in high school and did the Arch and Zoo; that's my level of 
 familiarity.
 
 
 Thanks for your advice,
 Tim Gavin
 Cedar Rapids, IA

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[RBW] 50mm tires

2013-10-09 Thread Chris Lampe 2
I finally have a bike that will take 50mm tires (1995 Trek 820).  I bought 
this bike as a test vehicle for 26 wheels, which I've never ridden before, 
but am interested in on a high dollar bike.  My first inclination is to go 
with 50mm Big Apples but Schwalbe makes several other tires in the 50mm 
size with the Supreme being of particular interest.  
 
Is the 50mm Big Apple significantly cushier than the 50mm Supreme?  Is it 
the width or is there something different about the design of the Big Apple 
that makes it more comfortable.  The tires will be primarily for pavement 
and I want as light and slick as possible with max comfort.  The Supreme 
wins in the light  slick category but I don't know if it is as 
comfortable.  

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[RBW] Off-pavement riding

2013-10-09 Thread ayjaydee
What are your thoughts on this sudden discovery of the pleasures of 
off-pavement riding by the gravel specific bike manufacturers. It seems to 
me that they feel they have invented a whole new form of bicycle activity.

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Re: [RBW] Off-pavement riding

2013-10-09 Thread Patrick Moore
My ideas: to quote: Zzz.

Wha?! Oh, sorry, you woke me up.

More particuarly: I think it's great that the Market is offering another
piece of pie beside the roadie and gnarly and comfort slices, but it's not
new at all.


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 What are your thoughts on this sudden discovery of the pleasures of
 off-pavement riding by the gravel specific bike manufacturers. It seems to
 me that they feel they have invented a whole new form of bicycle activity.

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[RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding

2013-10-09 Thread Deacon Patrick
Wai... Wha? I could ride my bike off pavement? Gah! I wish I'd known sooner.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 11:33:50 AM UTC-6, ayjaydee wrote:

 What are your thoughts on this sudden discovery of the pleasures of 
 off-pavement riding by the gravel specific bike manufacturers. It seems to 
 me that they feel they have invented a whole new form of bicycle activity.


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[RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding

2013-10-09 Thread RJM
I think the addition of gravel grinder or cyclocross into the big bike 
stores will be a welcomed addition to any rider's fleet, but the problem I 
have with really most of the bigger manufacturers is that they always sell 
through racing. Cyclocross is a race, gravel grinder is being sold as a 
race. I just don't get it or the allure of racing pushing bikes and using 
racing as a selling point.
 
 
That is one, and not really the biggest, reason I love Riv. 
 
 
I got to ride with a friend who is getting into cycling this past weekend. 
We did a 15mph or so ramble through some flat country roads I know. He 
couldn't keep asking about my bike (sam hillborne with Pari Motos, quill 
stem, leather saddle, friction shifting ect...and why I picked a bike like 
that for riding. He was on a Motobecane road bike, 23mm tires and a saddle 
that hurts his behind. He complains about comfort on that bike and I just 
had to nicely school him on what makes a bike comfortable, why I chose the 
ride I had, why my bike is comfortable for 100  miles while he gets saddle 
sores and an aching back.  He just can't get the you have to be fast or at 
least trying to be fast when you are riding out of his head.
 
 
I think my next bike is going to be a Yves Gomez or some other riv with 
upright bars and some fatty wide tires, fully fendered, awesome 
lookingand I am going to ride it on the singletrack around here. I just 
love coming across people on their carbon wonderbikes and having them see, 
maybe for the first time, how you can be comfortable and carefree without 
needing to be racing all the time. You can actually have fun on the bike 
without having to race or look like you are racing. 
 
Anyway, I am kind of ranting because I am bored at work and want to be 
riding my Riv. 
 
 
In the end, bikes that will allow wider tires and be ridden on the road and 
gravel are always good. They probably will not be as nice as my Rivs 
though. 
 

 

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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

2013-10-09 Thread Jim M.

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 11:48:45 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I've used center pulls, single pivots, and dual pivots, not to mention 
 cantis and vs, and haven't found centerpulls any better, or much worse, 
 than any of the others. 


I'll echo Patrick's response. I've used centerpulls for specific situations 
(like needing cheap longer reach for a 650b conversion, or needing a nutted 
front brake) but they aren't any better at stopping than a good single or 
dual pivot sidepull. I've used various Weinman, Mafac, and DiaCompe, and 
they all seem about the same for stopping power.

jim m
wc ca 

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[RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding

2013-10-09 Thread Bill Lindsay
I just don't get it or the allure of racing pushing bikes and using racing 
as a selling point.


Seriously.  Pushing racing bikes on everybody made as much sense as pushing 
Formula 1 race cars on everybody, regardless of how they drive, and track 
racing cleats for everybody, regardless of how or where they walk or run. 
 Comparatively speaking, we are in a golden age of bicycles.  There's so 
much more variety today than there was 20 years ago.  Gravel grinders are 
just part of the story.  Things seem to be getting better and better, too. 
 IMO

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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

2013-10-09 Thread RJM
I honestly think linear pulls or cantilever are the best brakes out 
there...
On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 3:23:31 PM UTC-5, Jim M. wrote: 


 On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 11:48:45 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: 

 I've used center pulls, single pivots, and dual pivots, not to mention 
 cantis and vs, and haven't found centerpulls any better, or much worse, 
 than any of the others. 


 I'll echo Patrick's response. I've used centerpulls for specific 
 situations (like needing cheap longer reach for a 650b conversion, or 
 needing a nutted front brake) but they aren't any better at stopping than a 
 good single or dual pivot sidepull. I've used various Weinman, Mafac, and 
 DiaCompe, and they all seem about the same for stopping power.

 jim m
 wc ca 


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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

2013-10-09 Thread Bill Lindsay
Thanks for the replies.  I think I'm with all of you:  I've used all kinds 
and they all work fine.  None are dramatically better or worse.  At least 
for everything but centerpulls.  I've never done a nice centerpull setup. 
 I understand being forced into using cheapie centerpulls for various 
reasons.  What I was curiously looking for was something more specific. 
 For example, I've seen many A Homer Hilsens using Silver Sidepulls, and 
I've seen many A Homer Hilsens using Paul Racer centerpulls.  I'd love to 
hear somebody say I took off the Silver Sidepulls and installed Paul 
Racers and the result was .  Or, I've seen many Roadeos with Tektro 
539s, and a few with Paul Racer M.  I wanted to see if anybody specifically 
swapped from dual pivot to a quality centerpull and thought it changed 
anything.  That's what I'm doing, and I'll certainly share what my 
observations are.  

Anyway, I did it partially out of curiosity about centerpulls.  I also did 
it because I wanted a cleanly installed small front rack.  I hated running 
P-clamps with a Marks rack on this bike.  I also did it because I think it 
will open up the fender area.  I also did it because I was/am inspired by 
Sumehra's custom mixte with braze on centerpull brakes.  If I love 
centerpulls, then braze on centerpulls on a custom might make it onto my 
bucket list.  

1.  If braking is a wash, and I gain the use of a proper handlebar bag, and 
improve fender clearance, that's a big win
2.  If braking performance is better, and the rack breaks under my 
handlebar bag, and fender clearance is worse, then I won't know what to do
3.  If braking performance is worse, and the rack breaks, then I'll whine 
like a baby

I'm investing a lot in making this setup really as nice as I can.  Paul 
Funky Monkey hangers front and rear are rock solid.  These $170 Gran Compe 
brakes are beefy CNC, not unlike Pauls.  The pads come with salmon inserts 
and accept nice koolstop replacement inserts.  Good cables and housing, 
nice rims.  Everything should work great.  

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 1:23:31 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:


 On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 11:48:45 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I've used center pulls, single pivots, and dual pivots, not to mention 
 cantis and vs, and haven't found centerpulls any better, or much worse, 
 than any of the others. 


 I'll echo Patrick's response. I've used centerpulls for specific 
 situations (like needing cheap longer reach for a 650b conversion, or 
 needing a nutted front brake) but they aren't any better at stopping than a 
 good single or dual pivot sidepull. I've used various Weinman, Mafac, and 
 DiaCompe, and they all seem about the same for stopping power.

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[RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding

2013-10-09 Thread Rambouilleting Utahn
Take a look at the history of recreational skis, 25 years ago every 
advanced skier skied on a ski that racing written on it somewhere. 

Now nobody takes racing skis off of the race course unless they are carving 
trenches on the groomers.

The technology still trickles down to the all mountain or free rider 
crowd.

Give it time, people just may see the light. In the meantime enjoy some of 
the technology that is making its way to country bikes

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 2:31:23 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I just don't get it or the allure of racing pushing bikes and using 
 racing as a selling point.


 Seriously.  Pushing racing bikes on everybody made as much sense as 
 pushing Formula 1 race cars on everybody, regardless of how they drive, and 
 track racing cleats for everybody, regardless of how or where they walk or 
 run.  Comparatively speaking, we are in a golden age of bicycles.  There's 
 so much more variety today than there was 20 years ago.  Gravel grinders 
 are just part of the story.  Things seem to be getting better and better, 
 too.  IMO


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[RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding

2013-10-09 Thread Garth


The bike biz is always looking for new angles to sell  gravel race 
bikes the latest .  Variety is always good !   

All that I have seen are disc brake only though.  I'd likely have a frame 
made that can disc or canti or calipers , or at least the latter 2. 

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[RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding

2013-10-09 Thread Mike Schiller
I think this is just the big companies trying to catch up with the little 
guys who've been doing this already... Like Riv or Salsa/Surly/Soma.
I'm hoping it will bring out more suitable tires and rims.   

And, of course this was  what mountain biking was all about in the 80's. 
Rigid steel bikes with lugs, comfortable for all kinds of riding, before 
shocks came on the market and the whole downhill thing screwed up 
everything.

~mike



On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 10:33:50 AM UTC-7, ayjaydee wrote:

 What are your thoughts on this sudden discovery of the pleasures of 
 off-pavement riding by the gravel specific bike manufacturers. It seems to 
 me that they feel they have invented a whole new form of bicycle activity.


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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

2013-10-09 Thread Patrick Moore
Linear pulls are certainly powerful and easy to set up, at least, as long
as they are not the cheap ones, which are horrible to set up since the
cheap springs mean that they never stay put; I've seen at least on pair, on
a WalMart bike, that literally could not be adjusted properly -- the
springs could not hold enough tension -- they were plastic, not elastic.
But IME they don't modulate as well as the best cantilevers or side or
center pulls, also properly set up. The best brakes in the world, bar none
-- and I've used all -- were the IRD cantis on the Sam HIll, set up by Riv.
Powerful, felt just right, and modulated better than anything else I've
used. OTOH, I prefer disks for off road use, as much to spare my rims as
for any other reason -- an issue if you use expensive, boutique rims as I
do.

The worst brakes, OTOH, were also cantis, and I don't know why they were so
bad: Mafac cantis, both the single and the tandem (longer arms) version.
Useless with salmon pads, modern levers, good hangars, and after both I and
a shop played around with straddles and pad adjustment. Well, the front
road BB7 was just as bad.


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 I honestly think linear pulls or cantilever are the best brakes out
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Re: [RBW] Off-pavement riding

2013-10-09 Thread Anne Paulson
I wish marketers would push the country bike esthetic in addition to
 the cyclocross/gravel grinder esthetic. I end up riding my bike on a
lot of the same trails and fire roads that my husband hikes on. And
while people run on those trails, there is also a hiking equipment
market for people who just want to go for a nice walk: maybe a hat
with a full brim  to keep the sun off your face even though it's not
aerodynamic, maybe hiking poles to support you on steep downhills even
though they are extra weight, maybe more heavy-duty pants because they
look good and are comfortable, and so forth. Nobody comes up to my
husband and says, Isn't that hat HEAVY? Doesn't it slow you down?
Doesn't it catch the wind? They know he is out there to enjoy
himself. But people often question my bike. Don't they realize I'm out
there to enjoy myself?

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 What are your thoughts on this sudden discovery of the pleasures of
 off-pavement riding by the gravel specific bike manufacturers. It seems to
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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

2013-10-09 Thread jinxed
On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 2:55:29 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 What I was curiously looking for was something more specific.  For 
 example, I've seen many A Homer Hilsens using Silver Sidepulls, and I've 
 seen many A Homer Hilsens using Paul Racer centerpulls.  I'd love to hear 
 somebody say I took off the Silver Sidepulls and installed Paul Racers and 
 the result was .  

 jim m
 wc ca 


I respond to this portion. I made this exact swap from Silver side pulls to 
Pauls center pulls. When I built my Hilsen, I used the Silvers I already 
had from a Bleriot. They set up SUPER easy, look great and I used up to a 
42 width knobbie (IRC XC Slick 700x42) that I could still squeeze past the 
pads with little effort. I only upgraded to the Pauls thinking that with 
all the hype and expense, they HAD to be more powerful and would open 
wider. I tinkered with those things more than any other brake I've ever 
used and never got them to feel as good as the Silvers, and if anything 
they opened up less as I had to wiggle the same tire set up pretty good to 
get it through. They certainly weren't horrible, look kind of industrially 
cool, and have the USA factor included in the price, but based purely on 
performance and set up I would choose the Silvers no question.

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Re: [RBW] Off-pavement riding

2013-10-09 Thread Christopher Chen
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:

 But people often question my bike. Don't they realize I'm out
 there to enjoy myself?


I think the smiles on many of our faces pre-empt those questions much of
the time. Honestly, when I ride my Hilsen, I'm beaming all the god-damn
time. I feel sorry for people who look like they're in pain.

Now if I would only keep my eyes open while riding.

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripsters with Power Straps

2013-10-09 Thread Marc Irwin
I have the thin gripsters on my Hunq, I don't see how those would be 
attached.  I also don't see any need for them.  My foot is so well anchored 
on the gripster pedals that I can't move them without lifting them off the 
pedal.  I guess, to each his own, as the saying goes.

Marc

On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 7:58:17 PM UTC-4, Kellie Stapleton wrote:

 Did a search but couldn't find an answer I know the Riv site says 
 Thin Gripsters accept foot retention systems, but will they specifically 
 take the Power Straps?


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[RBW] My Nitto S-83 doesnt fit Brooks rails

2013-10-09 Thread mikel66...@juno.com
i tried 3 of my ti B17's and the rails dont fit, too narrow. is this typical of 
the S-83?

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[RBW] Re: owie - bike path hazard

2013-10-09 Thread PeterG
thanks everyone for the kind words..wife saw the Ortho doc today...looks like 
surgery is not going to have to happen after all..but she won't be getting on a 
bike again until next spring.going to put the 47's back on the hIlsen 
tomorrow...Be safe out there

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[RBW] Re: My Nitto S-83 doesnt fit Brooks rails

2013-10-09 Thread RJM
Mine works fine with my b17s, but they are specials and select models, not 
ti. 
On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 6:47:44 PM UTC-5, mike goldman wrote:

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[RBW] Re: My Nitto S-83 doesnt fit Brooks rails

2013-10-09 Thread Kieran J
My GF has an S-83 sporting a B17s on her bike. Seems to fit fine.

KJ




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 Mine works fine with my b17s, but they are specials and select models, not 
 ti. 
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 typical of the S-83? 

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Re: [RBW] Off-pavement riding

2013-10-09 Thread Eric Platt
I actually see it as a nice trend to help create a market for more wide
tires.  And, yes, it's connected to racing, but like Mike said, this is
more about informal racing that was part of the earlier years of mountain
biking.  Not sure that it's that different that the bikepacking movement
with frame bags and ultralight equipment.  All of it had been done in the
past.   It's just things coming around again.

Can't even say the fatbike movement is new since there were folks in Alaska
and Wisconsin running double tires on bikes back in the 1980's.  And
betting it existed in full form well before then.

Guess I'm one that thinks if it gets more folks out there on bikes, good.


Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

 On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote:

 But people often question my bike. Don't they realize I'm out
 there to enjoy myself?


 I think the smiles on many of our faces pre-empt those questions much of
 the time. Honestly, when I ride my Hilsen, I'm beaming all the god-damn
 time. I feel sorry for people who look like they're in pain.

 Now if I would only keep my eyes open while riding.

 cc

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Re: [RBW] 50mm tires

2013-10-09 Thread Eric Platt
On Big Apple vs. Supreme.  On the old  version of the Big Apple, there was
a Liteskin version.  That seems to have been better riding than the
Supreme.  My wife has a set on her bike and she has voiced a preference
over either the Supreme or the regular Big Apple.

As to the Big Apple itself, the current tire is a different design.
Haven't tried it so no opinion.

For th lightest 50mm tires, I like the Schwalbe Kojak tires.  No tread at
all and fairly lightweight at 460 grams.  No real protection and I've had
flats when I've run them.  Then again, I'm probably way too heavy for the
optimum use of the tire. Even so, they have a plush ride.  Probably not as
nice as tubeless Hetres, but still good.
Eric Platt
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 I finally have a bike that will take 50mm tires (1995 Trek 820).  I bought
 this bike as a test vehicle for 26 wheels, which I've never ridden before,
 but am interested in on a high dollar bike.  My first inclination is to go
 with 50mm Big Apples but Schwalbe makes several other tires in the 50mm
 size with the Supreme being of particular interest.

 Is the 50mm Big Apple significantly cushier than the 50mm Supreme?  Is
 it the width or is there something different about the design of the Big
 Apple that makes it more comfortable.  The tires will be primarily for
 pavement and I want as light and slick as possible with max comfort.  The
 Supreme wins in the light  slick category but I don't know if it is as
 comfortable.

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Re: [RBW] Off-pavement riding

2013-10-09 Thread cyclotourist
I love the idea of this segment being promoted. I wish there wasn't an
emphasis on racing, but it seems the big bike mfgrs can't sell a bike
unless it has that racing aesthetic built into it.

The upcoming Raleigh Tamland looks like a great bike. I don't get the
sense that they're pushing the racing aspect on it, or they're at
least minimizing it. Discs are over-rated (says the dry SoCal rider)
but that's not a deal breaker on it.

On 10/9/13, Eric Platt epericmpl...@gmail.com wrote:
 I actually see it as a nice trend to help create a market for more wide
 tires.  And, yes, it's connected to racing, but like Mike said, this is
 more about informal racing that was part of the earlier years of mountain
 biking.  Not sure that it's that different that the bikepacking movement
 with frame bags and ultralight equipment.  All of it had been done in the
 past.   It's just things coming around again.

 Can't even say the fatbike movement is new since there were folks in Alaska
 and Wisconsin running double tires on bikes back in the 1980's.  And
 betting it existed in full form well before then.

 Guess I'm one that thinks if it gets more folks out there on bikes, good.


 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN


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 On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Anne Paulson
 anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote:

 But people often question my bike. Don't they realize I'm out
 there to enjoy myself?


 I think the smiles on many of our faces pre-empt those questions much of
 the time. Honestly, when I ride my Hilsen, I'm beaming all the god-damn
 time. I feel sorry for people who look like they're in pain.

 Now if I would only keep my eyes open while riding.

 cc

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Re: [RBW] Off-pavement riding

2013-10-09 Thread Peter Morgano
Seems like someone should make some kind of I don't know All Rounder type
bike you could ride on pavement, gravel, fire roads. They should make it so
you can get the bars high for comfort, it should be able to take bigger
tires and be made of lugged steel for looks and ride comfort, oh wait...


On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:50 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

 I love the idea of this segment being promoted. I wish there wasn't an
 emphasis on racing, but it seems the big bike mfgrs can't sell a bike
 unless it has that racing aesthetic built into it.

 The upcoming Raleigh Tamland looks like a great bike. I don't get the
 sense that they're pushing the racing aspect on it, or they're at
 least minimizing it. Discs are over-rated (says the dry SoCal rider)
 but that's not a deal breaker on it.

 On 10/9/13, Eric Platt epericmpl...@gmail.com wrote:
  I actually see it as a nice trend to help create a market for more wide
  tires.  And, yes, it's connected to racing, but like Mike said, this is
  more about informal racing that was part of the earlier years of mountain
  biking.  Not sure that it's that different that the bikepacking movement
  with frame bags and ultralight equipment.  All of it had been done in the
  past.   It's just things coming around again.
 
  Can't even say the fatbike movement is new since there were folks in
 Alaska
  and Wisconsin running double tires on bikes back in the 1980's.  And
  betting it existed in full form well before then.
 
  Guess I'm one that thinks if it gets more folks out there on bikes, good.
 
 
  Eric Platt
  St. Paul, MN
 
 
  On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.org
 wrote:
 
  On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Anne Paulson
  anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  But people often question my bike. Don't they realize I'm out
  there to enjoy myself?
 
 
  I think the smiles on many of our faces pre-empt those questions much of
  the time. Honestly, when I ride my Hilsen, I'm beaming all the god-damn
  time. I feel sorry for people who look like they're in pain.
 
  Now if I would only keep my eyes open while riding.
 
  cc
 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Dura-Ace 7703 group, Square Taper BBs and some misc bits.

2013-10-09 Thread Anne
UPDATED again and sold items removed. Thanks for all the purchases.

All prices *INCLUDE* shipping USPS (w/in US). Contact offlist for add'l 
photos, to buy, etc.

Ultegra triple 6503 front der with 31.8 clamp $30

TIRES
700c Pasela COMPE (TourGuard) 700x32, kevlar, gumwall, excellent condition. 
 $55/pair
***Nokian Hakkapeliitta W106 700x35  *Mounted but not ridden $75/pair
Buy both the Pasela and the Nokian above for $115

NEW 29 Racing Raplph 2.25 $100 for the pair 
One Snake Skin and one reg.

Three pack of 29 tires $65
NEW Maxxis Ignitor 2.1
Maxxis Ignitor 2.1 
Bontrager Jones XR (front) 2.25 

Three pack of 26 tires $75
New Kenda Karma DTC L3R Pro 
New Geax AKA 2.2
Maxxis Ignitor 2.1 (2 rides, like new) 

6. New and used SwissStop yellow pads, also full set of pad holders for 
V-brakes (nice upgrade over some canti pad holders) $40 for the package

10. Misc. $15 package for steel tubed frame includes:
3 brake cable hangers for 1 steerer tube 
Front der braze on clamp, for 1.125 seat tube
N-Gear Jump Stop chain guide, 1.125 seat tube

11. Thorne seat collar with rear cable stop, new 31.8, $15 or add to any 
other item here for $10

12.Chris King mtb disc front hub axle to convert from 15Thru back to 9MM QR 
$40 or best offer

13. Ritchey 31.8 stem 30deg, 100 length, may have been mounted to a bike to 
test fit $25 

14. SKS Race Blade fenders, 700c 18-23 $25 (figure $15-18 for shipping



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[RBW] Speaking of Off-Pavent Rides... Come to Redlands this Spring!

2013-10-09 Thread cyclotourist
Over the years, the SoCal chapter of the Rivendell Bicycle
Appreciation Society has put on a lot of great rides!

I've loved EVERY one I've been on, and met a lot of greatpeople.
They've actually lead to some pretty good friendships IRL, which is
the best part of them. The other thing I love is seeing new areas of
the state I've never been to. Amazing to explore back-country from San
Diego to Ventura with the above-mentioned folks.

I also love the idea of the organized rides/brevets/populairs that are
happening like the D2R2 in Vermont, and La Ruta Loca in the Bay Area.

So I think to myself: Why not combine the two? Which gives us this:
http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/

Some locals and I are trying to put on an organized ride, that shows
the best of Inland Southern California in the Spring, and keeps people
on as much dirt as possible. The rest is majority back/rural roads.
Many of the SoCal rides have been on parts of this route, but this
links the segments together in an amazing loop that comes out at just
about 100km.

A decent amount of climbing to keep folks honest, but there are no
chest-bursters. Some singletrack as well. Not terrible technical, but
1km section of climbing that may cause some walking. Not a biggie.

The vibe aimed for his an extended Riv-Ride. There are no timing
devices, no podium spots, no t-shirts, just the knowledge that it'll
be good people on a good route.

And it's free! Not a money-maker, either for for profit or charity.
Just a good ride! I am trying to arrange a post-ride meal and party
hosted by the Redlands Bike BBQ http://www.bikebbq.com/ that will be a
donations-only set up. They're good people and I'd like to help them
out, but again, that's not the point of the ride.

So long/short: The ride is on March 15th, 2014. Weather should be
great. I hope many of you can make it here for this. Cheap/clean/safe
hotels in town. Quaint historic downtown to walk around and lots of
Victorian, Arts  Crafts, MCM homes to look at for significant others
that may not be into the whole 100km bike ride thing.

Oh, and two independent breweries in town as well. Just thought I'd
mention that!


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[RBW] Re: My Nitto S-83 doesnt fit Brooks rails

2013-10-09 Thread Corwin
Hi Mike -

I have a Berthoud Galibier ti saddle. I was also confused when the rails 
seemed to be too narrow to fit on my Nitto S83. I contacted Boulder 
Bicycle  who sold me the saddle and was told that I needed to gently 
persuade the rails into the grooves of the seat post.

I think that could be your problem as well.

Good luck!


Corwin

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 4:47:44 PM UTC-7, mike goldman wrote:

 i tried 3 of my ti B17's and the rails dont fit, too narrow. is this 
 typical of the S-83? 

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Re: [RBW] Off-pavement riding

2013-10-09 Thread Patrick Moore
I know what you mean! A Fargo!

Patrick it's actually quite Rivendellianesqueisticish Moore

On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote:

 Seems like someone should make some kind of I don't know All Rounder
 type bike you could ride on pavement, gravel, fire roads. They should make
 it so you can get the bars high for comfort, it should be able to take
 bigger tires and be made of lugged steel for looks and ride comfort, oh
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Re: [RBW] Off-pavement riding

2013-10-09 Thread Peter Morgano
Haha, Touche!
On Oct 9, 2013 9:25 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:


 I know what you mean! A Fargo!

 Patrick it's actually quite Rivendellianesqueisticish Moore

 On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote:

 Seems like someone should make some kind of I don't know All Rounder
 type bike you could ride on pavement, gravel, fire roads. They should make
 it so you can get the bars high for comfort, it should be able to take
 bigger tires and be made of lugged steel for looks and ride comfort, oh
 wait...




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[RBW] Jenny's bar

2013-10-09 Thread Edwin W
The latest BOM has a bar that Riv doesn't sell, calling it Jenny's bar. What is 
it? Looks kind of cool. No rise, round, smooth. 

Not cheatin' my alba, just looking,

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: My Nitto S-83 doesnt fit Brooks rails

2013-10-09 Thread Jeremy Till
The problem isn't so much the S-83 as the B17's--they are commonly a little 
bit narrow and are drawn apart as you tighten the clamp.  No biggie.  

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 4:47:44 PM UTC-7, mike goldman wrote:

 i tried 3 of my ti B17's and the rails dont fit, too narrow. is this 
 typical of the S-83? 

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[RBW] Re: Speaking of Off-Pavent Rides... Come to Redlands this Spring!

2013-10-09 Thread Jeremy Till
This sounds amazing!  Just might have to take some time off for this

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 6:14:19 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Over the years, the SoCal chapter of the Rivendell Bicycle 
 Appreciation Society has put on a lot of great rides! 

 I've loved EVERY one I've been on, and met a lot of greatpeople. 
 They've actually lead to some pretty good friendships IRL, which is 
 the best part of them. The other thing I love is seeing new areas of 
 the state I've never been to. Amazing to explore back-country from San 
 Diego to Ventura with the above-mentioned folks. 

 I also love the idea of the organized rides/brevets/populairs that are 
 happening like the D2R2 in Vermont, and La Ruta Loca in the Bay Area. 

 So I think to myself: Why not combine the two? Which gives us this: 
 http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/ 

 Some locals and I are trying to put on an organized ride, that shows 
 the best of Inland Southern California in the Spring, and keeps people 
 on as much dirt as possible. The rest is majority back/rural roads. 
 Many of the SoCal rides have been on parts of this route, but this 
 links the segments together in an amazing loop that comes out at just 
 about 100km. 

 A decent amount of climbing to keep folks honest, but there are no 
 chest-bursters. Some singletrack as well. Not terrible technical, but 
 1km section of climbing that may cause some walking. Not a biggie. 

 The vibe aimed for his an extended Riv-Ride. There are no timing 
 devices, no podium spots, no t-shirts, just the knowledge that it'll 
 be good people on a good route. 

 And it's free! Not a money-maker, either for for profit or charity. 
 Just a good ride! I am trying to arrange a post-ride meal and party 
 hosted by the Redlands Bike BBQ http://www.bikebbq.com/ that will be a 
 donations-only set up. They're good people and I'd like to help them 
 out, but again, that's not the point of the ride. 

 So long/short: The ride is on March 15th, 2014. Weather should be 
 great. I hope many of you can make it here for this. Cheap/clean/safe 
 hotels in town. Quaint historic downtown to walk around and lots of 
 Victorian, Arts  Crafts, MCM homes to look at for significant others 
 that may not be into the whole 100km bike ride thing. 

 Oh, and two independent breweries in town as well. Just thought I'd 
 mention that! 


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[RBW] Re: Jenny's bar

2013-10-09 Thread Jeremy Till
Nitto B617AA Promenade.  Nitto makes a few bars called Promenade, all 
generally narrow-ish (compared with albas and boscos) sweptback city bars, 
some with varying amounts of rise.  B617AA refers specifically to this 
no-rise all-sweep version.  

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 6:38:52 PM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote:

 The latest BOM has a bar that Riv doesn't sell, calling it Jenny's bar. 
 What is it? Looks kind of cool. No rise, round, smooth. 

 Not cheatin' my alba, just looking,

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[RBW] Re: Jenny's bar

2013-10-09 Thread justinaugust
The Bosco could most accurately be described as a wide version of a Promenade 
bar with a ton of sweep back. I have a pair with rise and sweep (and beautiful 
bends at the front) that are my preferred city bike bars. In fact, my project 
for this weekend is putting them on my SimpleOne. 

-J

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Re: [RBW] Off-pavement riding

2013-10-09 Thread justinaugust
http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/justinaugust/10179474074/

Love the versatility of a Riv frame with the newer tires on the market. 


-J

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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

2013-10-09 Thread Bill Lindsay
*THAT* was exactly what I was looking for.  Thanks for that.  I'm about to 
make a similar maneuver and I'm really interested to see what my results 
are.  Thank you thank you.  

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 4:25:24 PM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:

 On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 2:55:29 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 What I was curiously looking for was something more specific.  For 
 example, I've seen many A Homer Hilsens using Silver Sidepulls, and I've 
 seen many A Homer Hilsens using Paul Racer centerpulls.  I'd love to hear 
 somebody say I took off the Silver Sidepulls and installed Paul Racers and 
 the result was .  

 jim m
 wc ca 


 I respond to this portion. I made this exact swap from Silver side pulls 
 to Pauls center pulls. When I built my Hilsen, I used the Silvers I already 
 had from a Bleriot. They set up SUPER easy, look great and I used up to a 
 42 width knobbie (IRC XC Slick 700x42) that I could still squeeze past the 
 pads with little effort. I only upgraded to the Pauls thinking that with 
 all the hype and expense, they HAD to be more powerful and would open 
 wider. I tinkered with those things more than any other brake I've ever 
 used and never got them to feel as good as the Silvers, and if anything 
 they opened up less as I had to wiggle the same tire set up pretty good to 
 get it through. They certainly weren't horrible, look kind of industrially 
 cool, and have the USA factor included in the price, but based purely on 
 performance and set up I would choose the Silvers no question.


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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

2013-10-09 Thread justinaugust
Interestingly I had the exact opposite experience. Paul Racers stop me much 
better than Silvers. 


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[RBW] Re: First Century!

2013-10-09 Thread Manuel Acosta
That first 100 miles is always a kicker. Now comes the slippery slope of 
going further...
Lovely ride report and great pictures.


On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:57:42 AM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:

 Not on my Atlantis but I'd argue that my 650B Trek is heavily Riv'd in 
 setup.
  
 I took advantage of the Gov't shutdown last week to take off on a long 
 ride. I didn't set out convinced I would attempt a full century, in fact my 
 only goal was to exceed my previous long distance ride of around 50 miles.  
 But at about the 25ish mile point I realized that the weather was great, 
 the bike was handling good, my body felt right  (at the time), and I really 
 didn't have anything I needed to be home for that night.  So I decided I'd 
 push on to the end of the WOD Rail Trail, having picked it up at its 
 beginning in Shirlington, VA.  
  
 I ended up dealing with pretty persistant hamstring cramping from about 
 mile 35 on but was able to ride through it.  I stopped alot to rest and 
 take in view's where they were and struck up a couple good conversations 
 with fellow furloughed riders out enjoying the day.  I even had a 
 Riv-Spotting, running into Mary of the Chasing 
 Mailboxeshttp://chasingmailboxes.com/blog on her sweet orange Moonbeam.
  
 One dissapointment for me was the Selle An Atomica saddle, I guess it's 
 just not going to be the right saddle for me.  I avoided any numbness 
 issues but was feeling significant pressure in my 'sit bones' the whole 
 ride.  I initially thought that was a pretty good tradeoff given that I was 
 able to complete the long day in the saddle.  But the next day I discovered 
 not just saddle sores but actual bruising corresponding to both sit bones 
 and even a week later I'm still recovering from them.  This definitely 
 wouldn't work on a multi-day tour for me.  I think I just need a wider 
 saddle and I probably will probably try out a Brooks Flyer, I've got a B67 
 which I like but have found it to be less comfortable at 30+ miles.
  
 The other lesson learned related to bike handling, I discovered mulitple 
 times in high speed descents that there is a point where the bike develops 
 a wicked shimmy to the point of becoming a front and rear shimmy.  Based on 
 my weight (250lbs) and the relatively thin tubes I'm not really suprised, 
 also the 650b conversion is probably contributing.  I don't really feel 
 like its a deal breaker, more a good discovery of one of the 'edges of the 
 envelope' for this bike.
  
 The list of positives is far longer though;
  
 -Doubled my previous long ride
 -Used the drops for the first time and actually liked it
 -Noodle bars with cotton over inner tubes was fantastically comfortable, 
 no issues with my hands throughout the ride (I did put on gloves at the 
 turnaround)
 -Discovered the ability to ride through the pain of the cramps
 -Had somewhat random bursts of really strong riding even late into the day
 -Front basket with 'bungie net' was extremely versatile and the best 
 'gadget' of the ride
 -I ate every 10-20miles in small quantities and never really 'bonked'
 -Great views of the VA countryside especially past Herndon
  
 Pictures prove it happened... 
 http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2013/10/shutdown-solo-century.html
  
 Tony
  
  


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Re: [RBW] Re: Speaking of Off-Pavent Rides... Come to Redlands this Spring!

2013-10-09 Thread cyclotourist
I hope you can! Can't think of a better reason to take a day off and
travel some!!!

This is the inaugural of what I hope will become an annual event.
Might get bigger/more organized and with more amenities added, but
this one is as advertised: An opportunity for a bunch of like-minded
folks to get together and have a good time on two wheels! See some new
scenery, meet some people that you've only corresponded with on
electronically.

No downside on this!

On 10/9/13, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.com wrote:
 This sounds amazing!  Just might have to take some time off for this

 On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 6:14:19 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Over the years, the SoCal chapter of the Rivendell Bicycle
 Appreciation Society has put on a lot of great rides!

 I've loved EVERY one I've been on, and met a lot of greatpeople.
 They've actually lead to some pretty good friendships IRL, which is
 the best part of them. The other thing I love is seeing new areas of
 the state I've never been to. Amazing to explore back-country from San
 Diego to Ventura with the above-mentioned folks.

 I also love the idea of the organized rides/brevets/populairs that are
 happening like the D2R2 in Vermont, and La Ruta Loca in the Bay Area.

 So I think to myself: Why not combine the two? Which gives us this:
 http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/

 Some locals and I are trying to put on an organized ride, that shows
 the best of Inland Southern California in the Spring, and keeps people
 on as much dirt as possible. The rest is majority back/rural roads.
 Many of the SoCal rides have been on parts of this route, but this
 links the segments together in an amazing loop that comes out at just
 about 100km.

 A decent amount of climbing to keep folks honest, but there are no
 chest-bursters. Some singletrack as well. Not terrible technical, but
 1km section of climbing that may cause some walking. Not a biggie.

 The vibe aimed for his an extended Riv-Ride. There are no timing
 devices, no podium spots, no t-shirts, just the knowledge that it'll
 be good people on a good route.

 And it's free! Not a money-maker, either for for profit or charity.
 Just a good ride! I am trying to arrange a post-ride meal and party
 hosted by the Redlands Bike BBQ http://www.bikebbq.com/ that will be a
 donations-only set up. They're good people and I'd like to help them
 out, but again, that's not the point of the ride.

 So long/short: The ride is on March 15th, 2014. Weather should be
 great. I hope many of you can make it here for this. Cheap/clean/safe
 hotels in town. Quaint historic downtown to walk around and lots of
 Victorian, Arts  Crafts, MCM homes to look at for significant others
 that may not be into the whole 100km bike ride thing.

 Oh, and two independent breweries in town as well. Just thought I'd
 mention that!


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[RBW] for sale 56 Rambouillet, green with nice parts

2013-10-09 Thread bo richardson
i listed my slightly too large for me Rambouillet on the Seattle Craigslist 
today.
It has nice parts including  SKF BB and Wipperman stainless chain, you get 
the idea
the drivetrain and most of the parts are brand new top of the line Riv type 
build
there is a photo with the craigslist ad
I will throw in a Nitto rear touring rack new in the packaging which I 
bought off the list for 140 
since chances of getting burned off this list are low
I was only able to upload the one photo to craigslist i could probably do 
better in email
2300 including Brooks Select, nice flat Shimano pedals and the 
aforementioned rack
 
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/4120435018.html
 
this is a great bicycle and a great I want to go to Buddhism camp on 
monday price
thanks for your interest
 
Bo Richardson
Bellingham

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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

2013-10-09 Thread Brian Campbell
+1. I replaced a set of Paul Racers for a set of Silver sidepulls. Glad I 
did. 

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 7:25:24 PM UTC-4, jinxed wrote:

 On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 2:55:29 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 What I was curiously looking for was something more specific.  For 
 example, I've seen many A Homer Hilsens using Silver Sidepulls, and I've 
 seen many A Homer Hilsens using Paul Racer centerpulls.  I'd love to hear 
 somebody say I took off the Silver Sidepulls and installed Paul Racers and 
 the result was .  

 jim m
 wc ca 


 I respond to this portion. I made this exact swap from Silver side pulls 
 to Pauls center pulls. When I built my Hilsen, I used the Silvers I already 
 had from a Bleriot. They set up SUPER easy, look great and I used up to a 
 42 width knobbie (IRC XC Slick 700x42) that I could still squeeze past the 
 pads with little effort. I only upgraded to the Pauls thinking that with 
 all the hype and expense, they HAD to be more powerful and would open 
 wider. I tinkered with those things more than any other brake I've ever 
 used and never got them to feel as good as the Silvers, and if anything 
 they opened up less as I had to wiggle the same tire set up pretty good to 
 get it through. They certainly weren't horrible, look kind of industrially 
 cool, and have the USA factor included in the price, but based purely on 
 performance and set up I would choose the Silvers no question.


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[RBW] WTB: Park TS-2 Truing Stand

2013-10-09 Thread Brian Campbell
I need to build some wheels and the Minoura portable stand I have is about 
shot. Anybody have one that the are willing to part with?

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[RBW] Re: Speaking of Off-Pavent Rides... Come to Redlands this Spring!

2013-10-09 Thread Tom Virgil
Just plain excellent.  Marking my calendar.  Thank you, David, for 
proposing this.  Hope we see some of the usual suspects.

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 6:14:19 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Over the years, the SoCal chapter of the Rivendell Bicycle 
 Appreciation Society has put on a lot of great rides! 

 I've loved EVERY one I've been on, and met a lot of greatpeople. 
 They've actually lead to some pretty good friendships IRL, which is 
 the best part of them. The other thing I love is seeing new areas of 
 the state I've never been to. Amazing to explore back-country from San 
 Diego to Ventura with the above-mentioned folks. 

 I also love the idea of the organized rides/brevets/populairs that are 
 happening like the D2R2 in Vermont, and La Ruta Loca in the Bay Area. 

 So I think to myself: Why not combine the two? Which gives us this: 
 http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/ 

 Some locals and I are trying to put on an organized ride, that shows 
 the best of Inland Southern California in the Spring, and keeps people 
 on as much dirt as possible. The rest is majority back/rural roads. 
 Many of the SoCal rides have been on parts of this route, but this 
 links the segments together in an amazing loop that comes out at just 
 about 100km. 

 A decent amount of climbing to keep folks honest, but there are no 
 chest-bursters. Some singletrack as well. Not terrible technical, but 
 1km section of climbing that may cause some walking. Not a biggie. 

 The vibe aimed for his an extended Riv-Ride. There are no timing 
 devices, no podium spots, no t-shirts, just the knowledge that it'll 
 be good people on a good route. 

 And it's free! Not a money-maker, either for for profit or charity. 
 Just a good ride! I am trying to arrange a post-ride meal and party 
 hosted by the Redlands Bike BBQ http://www.bikebbq.com/ that will be a 
 donations-only set up. They're good people and I'd like to help them 
 out, but again, that's not the point of the ride. 

 So long/short: The ride is on March 15th, 2014. Weather should be 
 great. I hope many of you can make it here for this. Cheap/clean/safe 
 hotels in town. Quaint historic downtown to walk around and lots of 
 Victorian, Arts  Crafts, MCM homes to look at for significant others 
 that may not be into the whole 100km bike ride thing. 

 Oh, and two independent breweries in town as well. Just thought I'd 
 mention that! 


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 it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal 


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[RBW] Re: First Century!

2013-10-09 Thread Tony DeFilippo
Howard - great to hear you were out on the WOD as well, I would have loved 
seeing you out on the RAM in particular!

Thanks very much Erl and Eric.

Doc - thanks for the advice, I'm going to have to look into Andiamo skins. 
 I'm still not wild about having to use 'butt paste', but I guess I'll have 
to figure something out as I look at doing these longer rides.  Also a good 
point about the 'contact area' toughening up, I'm sure it's just like 
anything else.  Interesting to me that your looking at the SA for an 
adventure tourer, Im curious what you think between sprung and unsprung 
saddles in general and their applications...?  I like the sprung B67 quite 
a bit but it's an unfair comparison as I've only done ~50 miles at once as 
opposed to the century on the SA.

Manny - I'm totally headed that direction... at least thats my thought 
right now.  I am pretty jazzed to have done the first one and want to get 
back out there as soon as I can pick another day.  Lucky for me (but not 
for my extra recreational time) I am no longer furloughed so I'll have to 
get in my rides on weekends like everyone else now!  Thanks for the 
comments on the pictures, particularly coming from you that means alot!!


Tony

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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

2013-10-09 Thread Mike Schiller
those are the bolted on version, the brazed on Paul Racers are the best rim 
brake I've ever used for both modulation and stopping power.  There is some 
tire size max,about 42 mm, to get the tire to fit past the pads.  They are 
a bit clunky in the looks dept., especially the anodized version. I've got 
Neo-retro canti's on my new bike, and they stop very well but the 
modulation is not nearly as good as the brazed-on Racers.  Silvers are not 
even close to the brazed on version.

~mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Speaking of Off-Pavent Rides... Come to Redlands this Spring!

2013-10-09 Thread cyclotourist
I hope to see you there!

You won't even need your mobile ice-chest if things go according to plan!

On 10/9/13, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just plain excellent.  Marking my calendar.  Thank you, David, for
 proposing this.  Hope we see some of the usual suspects.

 On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 6:14:19 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Over the years, the SoCal chapter of the Rivendell Bicycle
 Appreciation Society has put on a lot of great rides!

 I've loved EVERY one I've been on, and met a lot of greatpeople.
 They've actually lead to some pretty good friendships IRL, which is
 the best part of them. The other thing I love is seeing new areas of
 the state I've never been to. Amazing to explore back-country from San
 Diego to Ventura with the above-mentioned folks.

 I also love the idea of the organized rides/brevets/populairs that are
 happening like the D2R2 in Vermont, and La Ruta Loca in the Bay Area.

 So I think to myself: Why not combine the two? Which gives us this:
 http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/

 Some locals and I are trying to put on an organized ride, that shows
 the best of Inland Southern California in the Spring, and keeps people
 on as much dirt as possible. The rest is majority back/rural roads.
 Many of the SoCal rides have been on parts of this route, but this
 links the segments together in an amazing loop that comes out at just
 about 100km.

 A decent amount of climbing to keep folks honest, but there are no
 chest-bursters. Some singletrack as well. Not terrible technical, but
 1km section of climbing that may cause some walking. Not a biggie.

 The vibe aimed for his an extended Riv-Ride. There are no timing
 devices, no podium spots, no t-shirts, just the knowledge that it'll
 be good people on a good route.

 And it's free! Not a money-maker, either for for profit or charity.
 Just a good ride! I am trying to arrange a post-ride meal and party
 hosted by the Redlands Bike BBQ http://www.bikebbq.com/ that will be a
 donations-only set up. They're good people and I'd like to help them
 out, but again, that's not the point of the ride.

 So long/short: The ride is on March 15th, 2014. Weather should be
 great. I hope many of you can make it here for this. Cheap/clean/safe
 hotels in town. Quaint historic downtown to walk around and lots of
 Victorian, Arts  Crafts, MCM homes to look at for significant others
 that may not be into the whole 100km bike ride thing.

 Oh, and two independent breweries in town as well. Just thought I'd
 mention that!


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 David

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Re: [RBW] Re: Speaking of Off-Pavent Rides... Come to Redlands this Spring!

2013-10-09 Thread Tom Virgil


On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 8:02:41 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 I hope to see you there! 

 You won't even need your mobile ice-chest if things go according to plan! 

 The beer and ice run allowed me to ride San Mateo unfettered (except on 
the way back with the beer and ice).  I will never forget the reception as 
I rode into the camp. Worth ever penny for the beer and ice.   Priceless 
for new friendships and associations.



 On 10/9/13, Tom Virgil tevi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: 
  Just plain excellent.  Marking my calendar.  Thank you, David, for 
  proposing this.  Hope we see some of the usual suspects. 
  
  On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 6:14:19 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote: 
  
  Over the years, the SoCal chapter of the Rivendell Bicycle 
  Appreciation Society has put on a lot of great rides! 
  
  I've loved EVERY one I've been on, and met a lot of greatpeople. 
  They've actually lead to some pretty good friendships IRL, which is 
  the best part of them. The other thing I love is seeing new areas of 
  the state I've never been to. Amazing to explore back-country from San 
  Diego to Ventura with the above-mentioned folks. 
  
  I also love the idea of the organized rides/brevets/populairs that are 
  happening like the D2R2 in Vermont, and La Ruta Loca in the Bay Area. 
  
  So I think to myself: Why not combine the two? Which gives us this: 
  http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/ 
  
  Some locals and I are trying to put on an organized ride, that shows 
  the best of Inland Southern California in the Spring, and keeps people 
  on as much dirt as possible. The rest is majority back/rural roads. 
  Many of the SoCal rides have been on parts of this route, but this 
  links the segments together in an amazing loop that comes out at just 
  about 100km. 
  
  A decent amount of climbing to keep folks honest, but there are no 
  chest-bursters. Some singletrack as well. Not terrible technical, but 
  1km section of climbing that may cause some walking. Not a biggie. 
  
  The vibe aimed for his an extended Riv-Ride. There are no timing 
  devices, no podium spots, no t-shirts, just the knowledge that it'll 
  be good people on a good route. 
  
  And it's free! Not a money-maker, either for for profit or charity. 
  Just a good ride! I am trying to arrange a post-ride meal and party 
  hosted by the Redlands Bike BBQ http://www.bikebbq.com/ that will be a 
  donations-only set up. They're good people and I'd like to help them 
  out, but again, that's not the point of the ride. 
  
  So long/short: The ride is on March 15th, 2014. Weather should be 
  great. I hope many of you can make it here for this. Cheap/clean/safe 
  hotels in town. Quaint historic downtown to walk around and lots of 
  Victorian, Arts  Crafts, MCM homes to look at for significant others 
  that may not be into the whole 100km bike ride thing. 
  
  Oh, and two independent breweries in town as well. Just thought I'd 
  mention that! 
  
  
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[RBW] Stolen Romulus In Sacramento?

2013-10-09 Thread Rick Houston
Funny thing happened today: got a call from a good friend who was visited a 
LBS here in Sac when a tweaker came by and said he had a bike for sale; 
turned out to be a Riv Romulus, my friend offered him $50 for it, the 
gentleman said the pedals were worth more than that, my friend countered 
with Fifty dollars and you can have the pedals, and that was that. All we 
have to do now is find out who owns it!

My friend called Riv to see if they could trace the owner, and they're 
still working on it, but I thought I'd see if anyone on the forum knows of 
someone who's missing a bike. If you do, send me a complete description of 
the build and the size, and we'll go from there. It's a really nice bike, 
and it would be cool to re-unite it with its owner. Wish us luck!

Rick

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[RBW] WTB Moustache Bars

2013-10-09 Thread Chris Halasz
Curious to try a pair; may just go with albastaches. 

... have a set of drop bars to trade, if there's interest. 

Thanks, 

Chris
Tucson, AZ 

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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

2013-10-09 Thread Michael
Have used both Racers and Tektro R559 brakes.

Paul's:
 were hard to get centered for me. So many points of adjustment possible on 
them. Hard to get cables attached. I was new to center pulls though. Got easier 
each time I messed with them. They were great with salmon pads.

R559's:
 install and set up wy easier for me.  I like them much better. More user 
friendly for an un-mechanic like me.

Both stop  and feel just as good to my unrefined hands.
I am not a brake connoisseur. So I don't know from modulation.
Not sure which (Yokozuna or Koolstop salmon pads) come from the better slopes 
of the rubber plantations. 

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Re: [RBW] Stolen Romulus In Sacramento?

2013-10-09 Thread cyclotourist
You buddy is awesome!!!

So SAC is the new stolen Rivendell capital!

On 10/9/13, Rick Houston rp.hous...@gmail.com wrote:
 Funny thing happened today: got a call from a good friend who was visited a

 LBS here in Sac when a tweaker came by and said he had a bike for sale;
 turned out to be a Riv Romulus, my friend offered him $50 for it, the
 gentleman said the pedals were worth more than that, my friend countered
 with Fifty dollars and you can have the pedals, and that was that. All we

 have to do now is find out who owns it!

 My friend called Riv to see if they could trace the owner, and they're
 still working on it, but I thought I'd see if anyone on the forum knows of
 someone who's missing a bike. If you do, send me a complete description of
 the build and the size, and we'll go from there. It's a really nice bike,
 and it would be cool to re-unite it with its owner. Wish us luck!

 Rick

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[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls

2013-10-09 Thread Michael


 Have used both Racers and Tektro R559 brakes.

 Paul's:
  were hard to get centered for me. So many points of adjustment possible 
 on them. Hard to get cables attached. I was new to center pulls though. Got 
 easier each time I messed with them. They were great with salmon pads.

 R559's:
  install and set up wy easier for me.  I like them much better. More 
 user friendly for an un-mechanic like me.

 Both stop  and feel just as good to my unrefined hands.
 I am not a brake connoisseur.

 
Both my Pauls and Tektros were/are allen bolt ons.

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